It's amazing that we even have to have conversations like this. The Universities are so deeply entrenched in the idea that there is no such thing as objective reality. They truly believe that the only reality is subjective reality. I graduated in 2019. I thought it was bad then. I can't imagine what it's like now.
The greatest gift one of my favourite university lecturers gave our class - and one I still use nearly 40 years later - is to not take what we were told as fact until we’d sufficiently investigated and thought through an idea for ourselves. Sounds as though universities and colleges everywhere, but especially America, would do well to use this in their halls of learning.
Unfortunately, most people do not respond to "additional information" about a topic. They respond far more to stories that elicit emotions. That's a big problem.
It's only power if other people recognize it as such. The Left will never recognize it as power. They simply dismiss your "facts" as white colonial dogma. These people are completely insane. The only upside to their policies is that, thanks to their affinity for abortion, we will soon have fewer and fewer of them in the world.
Except decision-making doesn't have to be devoid of input beyond facts, as the chariot metaphor was meant to convey to you. Intellectual power acknowledges humanity, and opinions don't necessarily stand separate from facts, nor do feelings.
I live in Portland. I had to drop out of college (and gladly eat my student loan debt) due to the CRAZY policies in place. You're quite literally forced to speak, act, and accept their "truths" without thought or question. It's pure insanity here.
Sameness of thought is a prime characteristic of totalitarianism. And the thought better align with the official narrative. It it doesn't there are plenty of "believers" who feel it's there moral duty to attack you and your position. You are hammered into sameness of being. The goal is for everyone to belong to, and be loyal to, the collective. And we all know where that leads.
I actually sympathize with you - the state of Oregon needs to make this up to you some way, some how. You or your parents et al. -- did not sign up for that. You are owed a higher education if you put the money down- - they cannot casually shrug that off.
Sounds like indoctrination not education. And a college education should be about learning how to ask questions and how to teach yourself and create solutions to problems that don't create more problems than you started with.
Sue the school to get your money back. Take it to the Supreme Court if you have to. Set a precedent! Make a difference! Be the change you wish to see in the world.
I've always got time for Peter. He has really helped me to question myself and really dig into what I feel is true and then extrapolate or interrogate whether it can be demonstrated as true with a sufficient level of confidence.
You're absolutely right about woke neocolonialism. I was thinking about it a lot recently and I'm surprised to hear that I'm not the only one who noticed it! I'm Ukrainian and this is true for our country too. Since almost all members of our conservative, far-right, etc groups are soldiers now, our queer organizations face no fear and feel free to push their agenda. Besides a good idea to legalize civil partnership, they're actively pushing all that stuff with nonbinary-ness, neopronouns and other "progressive" things. Most of them are irrelevant to Ukrainian society. Our racism is not the same as racism in America. Our idea of gender is not the same as in America. Purely English-speaking phenomenon of pronouns as something that signifies gender identity doesn't work in Ukrainian language, which has different grammar that doesn't has any way to talk about a nonbinary person in a polite way - the only gender neutral option is to talk about them as an inanimate object, which is considered as a derogatory way to talk about a person. I can elaborate on it if you're curious, but the main point is that an idea of nonbinary gender system is inherently foreign to our culture. Yet we have to accept it and not question, just copy and paste from the west. Those queer activist say, this is important bc we won't be accepted to the EU and NATO otherwise. I thought, our main problems with the EU and NATO are corruption, poverty and other flaws in our government's structure, not misgendering or being uneducated about genderfluids. Western woke activists often talk about how awful it is that white colonialists forced native societies to change their vision of gender to fit their binary idea of gender. And now the same powerful people of Anglo-Saxon heritage are doing exactly the same - forcing natives to change their society to please them. I believe, if American queers were less aggressive and didn't try to force their beliefs on others, many Central and Eastern European countries wouldn't have serious homophobia problem.
"Besides a good idea to legalize civil partnership" Why is this a "good idea"? What about it makes it a good idea? I'm no Ukrainian, but are you saying that in the Ukraine, gay people couldn't previously enter into a legal agreement that allowed them to share property? This sounds like the claim over in the US that somehow gay marriage recognition is a "good idea." Why? What makes the states involvement in your relationships a good idea? More to the point, why should the state have any interest in gay relations, assuming this is what you are referencing? "Our idea of gender is not the same as in America" Yes it is. " Purely English-speaking phenomenon of pronouns as something that signifies gender identity doesn't work in Ukrainian language, which has different grammar that doesn't has any way to talk about a nonbinary person in a polite way - the only gender neutral option is to talk about them as an inanimate object, which is considered as a derogatory way to talk about a person. I can elaborate on it if you're curious, but the main point is that an idea of nonbinary gender system is inherently foreign to our culture. Yet we have to accept it and not question, just copy and paste from the west. " You just described what is happening in the US. So how is it any different from Ukraine? It used to be the same here. Your gendered language may be one thing, but that is not stopping these people. Our pronouns were gendered as well. These people simply make up stuff as they go along. You admit they are doing the same in your country. "I believe, if American queers were less aggressive and didn't try to force their beliefs on others, many Central and Eastern European countries wouldn't have serious homophobia problem." I used to believe this. But, though I am an atheist, I am humbled by what the Bible presents as knowledge spanning centuries. And one such snippet of wisdom is that homosexuality is bad. The ancients may not have been able to express exactly why they thought so, but they must have seen something that led them to this conclusion. I have never had any issue with gay people, had many friends who were gay. But I believe that it may be true that where homosexuality is allowed to flourish, degeneracy and depravity follow.
@KatriaThePotato Well said! I call neopronouns "colonialist, linguistic vandalism". Like the way the Woke want to use "Latinx" for Latinos. They're forcing THEIR linguistic rules onto someone ELSE'S language. I understand how the only non-binary pronoun you could use in Ukrainian would be like saying "it" in English, very dehumanizing. Ages ago (the 1970s, I think) there was an American person who was intersex who actually wanted to be called "it" because this person didn't want "he" or "she". This person's first name was Toby, I saw a recording of an interview Toby did on "The Phil Donohue Show", I wish I could remember the name of the video. Anyway, no one in the audience felt like "it" fit a person. I don't even say "it" for a dog or cat, always "he" or "she".
You seem to think non binary nonsense is expressed effortlessly in English, and it is not. These words have been introduced very recently and just because these neologisms don’t have exact translations in your language don’t mean they aren’t coming.
When tenure tracked professors quit their job they most often never work in universities again. I would like to see Peter do a book and go on the lecture circuit. He has great ideas on the state of wokeness on campuses.
Yeah but this only works if science is free. We are at a point where you only get the data which fits into the woke-feminist worldview, so for the anti woke movement it is, in my opinion, a dangerous path to argue with science and data when it comes to social aspects which matter in the culture war(its different in physics etc )
Interesting examples of his changing his mind. These examples seemed to be real world situations which turned out differently to his predictions rather than philosophical / ideological / political / social belief systems.
This is very interesting. Especially the part about asking questions being an affront. That gives me chills. I can't imagine a learning institution that gets upset with questions. Maybe I should ask questions about asking questions.
this is so off topic but this stage/backdrop is so beautiful and relaxing. i would love to sit and listen to talks all day because of how nice it all looks.
"It feels like a lack of equity to me..." Wow, talk about being brainwashed, and it is the perfect example of what Dr. Peter Boghossian was attempting to teach the audience about. Brian Bar refers to a policy as inequity.
I have not heard of Peter before but he is brilliant wouldn't mind be exposed to ideas like the ones he has more often its quite lighthearted but still to the point
4:38 this is outing the tendency EVERYWHERE by EVERYONE to describe their thoughts as feelings. You can recognize it when you hear people say, “I feel that…”. Then they describe a thought, which can be challenged. But you cannot challenge a feeling. Saying “I feeling that micro-aggressions are as harmful as any actual aggression.” That cannot be challenged because it is a feeling. But if a person said “I think that “micro-aggressions are as harmful as any actual aggression” it could be (and easily) challenged.
dam i am glad when i am wrong it mean ....I AM LEARNING !!!!! I was in a disscuions with some one the other day . She said to me "Oh you have an answer for every thing , you always got to be right !" i was astounded .I told her it is about learning and if she has the answers that are factual and she could back them up i will gladly change my mind . As a chef , you get unwarranted criticism all day every day . To alot of other people they do not even know how to hold a conversation when some one has a different opinion than them ...
I’m a religious person and a conservative. I appreciate this man’s anti-cult aka critical thinking work. In matters of atheism, politics, or faith, the fundamentalist cultish ideological aspects are the dangerous parts that dehumanize people to the point of murderous insanity.
The sad part is; Had he done some research, given certain topics (IE Iraq war) congative reasoning or simple common sense, He wouldn't made the assumption U.S disinformation network waa correct. I'm abput as old as him. I'm 40-0 for my "conspiracy theories" being 100%. When the U.S accused Saddam of moving Calderon accelerators via Big rigs or rail car to Syria. I called BS. Saddam, Gaddafi Edi Amin all tried to remove U.SD as trade currency. Was their demise. When they knew too much about a disease they couldn't study( covid) in Nov 2019- China threw everyone out, deleting their own MDs. I called BS. I knew in 1983 the world is run by 15/20 ppl( DAVOS) who decide who rises, falls, what is & isn't. Vindicated. Wait until he finds out how wrong about Russia he is. See Azov Nazi coup 2014 J McCain Lindsay Graham Victoria Newland roles in genocide of 20k Russian Ukrainians.
We need to study prisons more and how “groups” in prisons work. I feel like we are slowly heading to a world that behaves like “prison gangs” eventually I’m going to have to pick a side. And it probably isn’t going to be up to me in the end. That’s. Scary.
If you want unforgettable, precious feelings in your life, you don't focus on feelings themselves, but on truth, good and beauty, humbly in service of what you discover. The worst is believing you have the solution and it involves changing other people, or even the whole society.
Ibram X Kendi says The only way to fix discrimination is to practice discrimination . In the 60’s and 70’s we called affirmative action reverse racism . The third Reich used the race based selection process as well . I can’t tell you how many people told me I was wrong , closed minded , racist ect . Now in 2023 ,They finally admit it .
This might be a long one. There are four different ways to have a conversation. 1. Two people that have views but don't want to change them. They are having the conversation for brownie points. Either with a crowd to observe or privately where they judge each other. Or with the hope that even though they disagree, if someone is watching, someone may change their mind (looking at you youtube people). 2. One person is willing to change their mind if they hear the right thing, the other is willing to share. That could be bully tactics, could be someone kind of wanting to change, just waiting for the right words. 3. No one cares about the topic. People's eyelashes are too long. We could have a conversation about it, but why. 4. Two people of conviction, but willing to listen. Maybe you have a point, maybe you just validate my opinions. Could go either way. We should strive for the last one. If we don't, why have conversation at all? Side note, social media being a vehicle for evil. I realize, I am commenting on here, but not on any other social media. Of course it is a vehicle for evil. So is any communication option. Email, phone calls, talking, body language, smoke signals, telling your brother to tell your friend to tell the next door neighbor "insert horrible insult here". Doesn't matter. People will find a way. We should have the freedom of speech. That way when people say stupid things, we can say they are being stupid and keep an eye on them.
That is hands down the best definition of bullshit I’ve ever heard. I’m going to be using that. A lot. His definition even manages to imply how much of the bullshit hinges upon self-deception. This is key. In fact, I believe this is the reason why we have the expression “you can’t bullshit a bullshitter.”
I find it hard to comprehend that we need to teach people that it's a good thing to be able to change your mind and grow. This should be taught in schools as a basic idea to be embraced from childhood.
India hasn't been ruled by the British for 76 years, and clearly a number of years prior to the hosts birth, so I'm not sure why he thinks its a "bananas concept" he has to pay for a visa. British people have to pay for visas to India. If he was being charged £400 for a visa he clearly wasn't paying for a standard visitors visa and so more likely a long-term visa. And as far as his complaint he won't get a refund if his visa is rejected, well that happens in other countries too and it would only be rejected for good reason. His experience didn't relate to the concept of equity as described by Peter Boghossian and it just sounded like an excuse for him to express the resentment he has towards the British.
@@maryjones4029 Exactly! Not to mention that the British rule brought about decisive infrastructural and legislative reform that India really needed. Indians should be grateful for the larger part of the British rule. Especially women who the Indians burned alive with their dead husbands!
@maryjones4029 exactly it makes no sense. A standard visitor visa is £100 and can stay for 6 months. The closest one I could find for about £400 was a "2 year long term visitor visa". His issue seemed unrelated to the conversation and unfounded in any fact. Any forgein national (exempt some commonwealth countries, EU member countries and the US) would have to apply for the same visa and pay the same fees. You are correct, if his application was rejected, then either he messed-up on the paper work, applied for the wrong visa, or was not eligible for some reason, this would apply to any other foreign nationals application form other countries. He is deflecting responsibility for his mistake.
Social Media is not a tool for evil, because ultimately an open channel for dialogue will leverage off human capacity for good and the human need for truth - If evil is promulgated across the channel it will be exposed for what it is and subside. It may even meet justice on Social Media. Truth will out & the reasonable horse will lead the chariot. God Bless America 🕊🦅🕊. Veritas lux.
Unfortunately, it is increasingly subject to manipulation with the goal of changing human behavior. Artificial Intelligence will increase the sophistication of that by orders of magnitude. In fact, military-grade psy-ops are being used against users to "nudge" their thinking into certain positions.
The problem is that the media and other, especially RUclips, talking heads only discuss the bad side of social media: politics, generally. But Social media also brings people of common interests together. Now, that's not always a good thing as even then there are a lot of a$$holes. But regardless, that is a net positive for society. People just need to adjust to the technology. It's a log road but we will get there.
I really appreciate Peter's ideas and always learn something when I listen to his speak, but I was disappointed that he didn't engage in depth with the interviewer on several excellent questions. For example, the question about visas and travelling from India to the UK. I would have loved to hear his perspective on that and wish he hadn't brushed it aside. Woke culture has gone bananas, of course, but there are still kernels of truth that can't just be erased with a quick, "We colonised and exploited you for decades/centuries but we gave you independence so we're all equal now, get over it." The Windrush generation in the UK have experienced structural racism. Women in America experience structural sexism, because they don't have laws to protect them regarding maternity leave, despite the fact that they are birthing the next generation of workers for this meritocracy that is so idealised by anti-woke types. Women need equity because equality will see them fall behind men in a meritocracy-based workplace. Statistics show that right around the time women have their first child, their husbands are getting promoted. I'm not saying that women should get special treatment, I'm saying that women deserve laws and protections to acknowledge the merit in birthing and raising children. Some structures do need to change and people shouldn't be accused of being mindlessly woke for saying so. I just wish this nuance was part of Peter's dialogue. He asked for concrete examples of evidence in this talk. I wish he'd give some of his own when he dismisses structures and other woke ideas. I am not woke, not any more at least, but I'm also not going to dive into accepting everything Peter says, because as he put it himself, keeping an open mind is key and none of us can expect to find the full truth in one person. We all have our blind spots, but I'm really grateful that Peter starts the discussion and is honest about the messiness of it all.
@20 min: meritocracy is good for people. It gets us working hard, but it’s not the only thing that gets us moving up the ladder. And sometimes, in some work places, it’s not enough.
My grandparents worked in Celyon during the second world war....also assisted in the replacement of Europeans with local educated people. On return to the UK - no entitled status as absent from the UK. They were involved in Tea growing and production. So easy to lay blame in one corner
FYI- the prices for UK visas are the same for all countries. He's referencing a work visa (conferences are work) which is more expensive than a tourism visa. It's expensive and cumbersome but not discriminatory. There is no proof there is an inevitability of rejection for him. I'm from a former British colony that has to apply for visas, the same as him. Assuming he is entitled to special treatment (freedom from applying for visas) for his race is very telling where he is on the woke scale.
If we do not test ideas and question beliefs which seem to be compassionate and inclusive on the surface, how are we to ever know whether it’s a good idea or a bad idea?
1:10 - There are offices of DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion) which will investigate you. How is this any different to political commissars in the Soviet Union.
A good way at looking a Equity isn’t the Work Visa to the UK. I would explain it to him this way. Asians (including Indians, dot not feather) as a group have higher incomes than Black and White people. Equity would require business to lower your wages/income to increase the income of White and Black people. This is what the purveyors of CRT call fairness.
Equity is a reasonably simple concept to explain, it means to manipulate an outcome. It could simply be described as equality of outcome but as this ideology progresses, there is no assurance of equality of outcome - rather it is simply a desired outcome of a certain person or people.
The best way I saw equity explained was the meme of three people looking over a fence at a baseball game, but the legs of the standing people are cut off to match the person in a wheelchair.
The interviewer did a great job. Clear, straight forward questions. Peter also rocks. :D I love that I can hear great minds share their knowing on RUclips for free. Thank you guys.
The hoax paper he is speaking of was by a physics professor who wrote a paper on postmodernism. Since it was on postmodernism, it got published in the journal. But the paper revealed the problems with postmodernism.
Peter didn’t call BS on the guys claim that “200 years of Britain masquerading as spice salesmen meant lack of equity [to this kid who lives in 2024, not 200 years ago],” and this set him up to be ineffective the rest of the conversation. The kid snuck that in like a snake and it went unacknowledged, then the kid goes into “you seem to like provoking people,” while Peter continued in good faith. The kid’s face suggests he is mistrusting and not in good faith. His questions illustrate that he’s working from a woke worldview. It distracted from the entire rest of the talk and Peter didn’t do a good job of refuting the kid’s points effectively.
Life isn't always fair.. The host claimed that England oppressed India and therefore He shouldn't have to pay for a Visa to go Enland. I would advise him to ask the Indian people who were profiting on the "Oppression" of there own people at the time to pay for his Visa.
I recently confronted my 65 year old leftist mom on politics and it was a disaster. She lives alone, with her cat, reads the Washington Post religiously and watches PBS Newshour. So she has been sufficiently brainwash by these people so I try to talk some sense to her and she just cuss me out. I stood my ground and didn't back down despite her best attempts to shame me. But she took an unusually long shower and I think she was crying. Now I feel awful and I haven't been able to sleep for a few days because of guilt. I don't know if I made the best decision because she was so much happier without the confrontation, but the state of our country was eating me away and it was due to some of the politics she subscibes to.
I'm wondering if your expectation was to change her mind from the outside. As Mr. Boghossian said, that doesn't work. The best approach is to honestly and sincerely speak your truth as calmly as possible and plant a seed that can grow at her preferred rate. Of course, the job is made more difficult by the barrage of crap she's getting from traditional media.
@@RussCR5187 Yeah, the more I think about it the more I regret it. It has probably done a lot of damage to my relationship with my own mother. I held back coming out to her as someone on the right for a long time. But Mr. Boghossian did say 'hard conversations' were better than 'no conversation.' So I don't know...I came off a bit too aggressive but that was in response of her cussing at me. I should have tried to talk to her calmy about it before she had time to get angry. Maybe it's the optics that I'm upset about and not necessarily the fact that I said anything to her.
You were right to speak on an ideology which not only mentally harms, but physically harms so many. What, should we not speak the truth because we are afraid of an illogical persons reaction? That’s exactly how we got to where we are. Go along to get along leads here.
@@TheCurlyWHard conversations are hard to have the right way. I think your idea was right but the execution came short. But no worries, it was better to have it and learn than never had or learned. You can always say sorry (for being intrusive/aggressive) and say that wasn't your intent. And hope that your mother is wise enough to forgive. You can both have a conversation about what happened and explain your motives, not defend or start arguing, but to objectively reflect to help show it was a misunderstanding and lack of ability to talk about hard things. All the best & good luck.
@@TheCurlyWYou obviously meant well. It's painfully difficult to be confronted with ideas that challenge your world view, especially when you're older. She may see it as a personal rejection of her as a person or of her as your mom.
OK I take issue with one thing Peter said which I think might be very important. On Peter's point of publishing papers and peer review being bollocks, I don't disagree, but his conclusion that it is because of ideologues, not sure I agree. Listened to a debate panel recently that pointed to a study (which is about to sound ironic) showing how badly ALL peer reviewers perform in catching errors, I forget the exact percentage but I believe it was less than 30%. It might be very difficult to assert orthodoxy is the primary reason for bad academics being done if the above study is generally accurate for all of academia. I coukd be wrong but from what I remember the study in question focused on the hard sciences.
Just think about it, when 30% don't catch errors in hard science, how high will the number be in soft science, where the tool of logical thinking doesn't even apply? I am an anthropologist, one of the most polluted sciences, when it comes to social justice
@@seanpennhauer9133 i don't really see where I disagree with that here, maybe you could quote a part to me that seems like I am? I'm not seeing it myself.
I feel like the interviewer was struggling with a lot of the ideas. It’s hard to look at him and not wonder if he was hired for his interview skills or jus skin colour these days which is sad. I never really ever thought about that until they started with this whole ideology of pretending discriminating is virtuous.
Idk why some people here are getting mad at the presenter. His job is to ask questions and try to be a bit argumentative towards the guest. Bootlicking is not the way.
"No, I don't want to answer this question anymore" "Ok, now you got a giraffe, a hippo, and a monkey" Lol Thank you for the enjoyable trolley problem torture
The host seemed to have a problem with the fact he had to pay for a business visitor visa to attend his meeting in the UK. But this is a fee that EVERYONE who is not British has to pay. If someone from the UK was attending a business meeting in India they would have to pay for a similar visa. I am from Canada, I had to pay for a visa to move and live in the UK, there was no guarantee I was going to get it and the money I paid would be gone regardless. This is the reality of international travel and business sometimes. I don't see how he feels he should be exempt from having to apply for a visa and pay the fee like everyone else. It is equal treatment for everyone who is a foreign national who wants to do business in the UK, or any other country.
14:41 nice and well, but if all countries will take the past into account it is going to be very messy and complex situation. I bet there are some countries that have some complaints about India's behavior in the past....
Our language contributes to a lot of our social problems. For example, because the sex of the baby (more so in the past) is unknown, the unborn child is often referred to as, "it". What do you hope it is? Blaa blaa This wording has contributed to the dehumanization of the baby. Thusly is IMO a large contributing factor as to why those that are pro abortion very seldom deal with the biological question, what about the baby's right to his/her body? Referring to an unborn child as an it, creates a mindset already to accept the baby as an it and therefore not human. The other example was you demonstrated in your conversation here in this discussion. You said "We" treated "people ' horribly. The very wording is problematic because it's incorrect and assigns blame onto many individuals that had no past connection (personally or through family line) onto others that may have had problems, personally or through family line ... A better way to speak of historical events would be to say some people did this that or the other ... while others were at those actions expense. And even that isn't really a great way to discuss events of the past ... Because it presumes that some how ill treatment, injustices are some how not as bad when done by "their own group". Why quite frankly I get a bit leery with the whole Indian question of colonialism by the British. India had been conquered by the Greeks, the Persians, the Mongols, you name it... I'm sure there's more cultural appropriation and territorial disputes that happen that I'm not even aware of. It's just at the British were the most recent. Basically boils down to something else you said, either get over it or perpetuate it your choice!
“Cis” is an unnecessary prefix. Male and Female need no descriptor. “Cis” is Latin for “on the side of” or “on this side” If anyone needs the prefix is trans people. Cis, trans male or female. “On the side of” trans, man or woman makes far more sense, because we literally have no idea WTF is going with, they, them, their and their hundreds of pronouns.
16:58 Who are "we"? I wasn't part of that "we". People are individuals and if some one person is an asshole, they will then be treated (by me) as such. If you haven't treated me "horrific", I wouldn't haven't been part of the "we" to treat them "horrific". People need to break out of their assigned group and be an individual first.
How does a person break out of a group if he is consistently being treated as an asshole in return for being an asshole? Don't the two together just fan the flames?
In the places where I live and work equity actually means asking if there are ways in which the system makes life harder for some people than for others and removes those barriers where practicable. The simple example is when there people are trying to watch a baseball game who are different heights and there is a wooden fence that only the tallest person can see over. Equality means making sure there are things to stand on so everyone can see the game. Equity says we should ask whether there is a different fence we could use that people could see through while serving whatever need the original fence was serving.
I very much doubt that the words equity and equality are really used in that way where you live and work. But I would not be at all surprised if for some reason you might find it expedient to pretend they are used as you say.
Nah. I think equality would be allowing the spectators to find (or bring their own) prop to stand or sit on. Equity would be “let’s tear down the fence entirely” See: Chesterton
The fence at the ballgame analogy as a definition of equity is a disarming way of saying, “let’s be fair”. But the reality is that it is not fair. It would be the same to tell athletes in a running competition, “Based on everyone’s past performances, the starting lines for each runner on the track will be adjusted in order for everyone to cross the finish line at the same time.” It may be “equitable”, but it is not fair. It punishes the more capable.
@@ralphanderson4501 Context matters Ralph. My analogy was about people watching the game, not the athletes competing to win. For the people watching the game my analogy holds, for the competitors it does not.
@@emilynewberry1873 I understand, but the fence analogy has been used by many people to imply that the starting line should be adjusted in every aspect of life, from education to work to salaries in order for outcomes to be equal. Some people by hard work, natural talent, ambition, dedication succeed in their field, where others don't. It would be not be fair to hold them back in the name of equity. Unfortunately, that is what is now happening in our woke society.
It's amazing that we even have to have conversations like this. The Universities are so deeply entrenched in the idea that there is no such thing as objective reality. They truly believe that the only reality is subjective reality.
I graduated in 2019. I thought it was bad then. I can't imagine what it's like now.
As a Platonist, Boghossian denies objective reality.
The greatest gift one of my favourite university lecturers gave our class - and one I still use nearly 40 years later - is to not take what we were told as fact until we’d sufficiently investigated and thought through an idea for ourselves.
Sounds as though universities and colleges everywhere, but especially America, would do well to use this in their halls of learning.
21:45 just because someone like Peter doesn’t tolerate B.S. doesn’t mean that he’s combative. It simply means he can’t tolerate the B.S.
if you change your mind based on facts rather than opinion/emotions then that's intellectual power.
Well said 👌
Unfortunately, most people do not respond to "additional information" about a topic. They respond far more to stories that elicit emotions. That's a big problem.
It's only power if other people recognize it as such. The Left will never recognize it as power. They simply dismiss your "facts" as white colonial dogma. These people are completely insane. The only upside to their policies is that, thanks to their affinity for abortion, we will soon have fewer and fewer of them in the world.
Except decision-making doesn't have to be devoid of input beyond facts, as the chariot metaphor was meant to convey to you. Intellectual power acknowledges humanity, and opinions don't necessarily stand separate from facts, nor do feelings.
@@RussCR5187 And it's what Boghossian panders to with his transphobic hysteria agenda.
100% agree with Peter on this issue. Humility and not knowing is a great point from which to pivot.
"What would it take to move you to 90%..."
He is an authentic liberal as opposed to the wannabe liberals in our midst.
@@davidculp-mp5hi He is an authentic bigot, no different from the raging, hate-mongering transphobes on the right.
I live in Portland. I had to drop out of college (and gladly eat my student loan debt) due to the CRAZY policies in place. You're quite literally forced to speak, act, and accept their "truths" without thought or question. It's pure insanity here.
Sameness of thought is a prime characteristic of totalitarianism. And the thought better align with the official narrative. It it doesn't there are plenty of "believers" who feel it's there moral duty to attack you and your position. You are hammered into sameness of being. The goal is for everyone to belong to, and be loyal to, the collective. And we all know where that leads.
I actually sympathize with you - the state of Oregon needs to make this up to you some way, some how. You or your parents et al. -- did not sign up for that. You are owed a higher education if you put the money down- - they cannot casually shrug that off.
This is happening in all academic learning intuitions, there is no learning there it's agree or get out now
Sounds like indoctrination not education. And a college education should be about learning how to ask questions and how to teach yourself and create solutions to problems that don't create more problems than you started with.
Sue the school to get your money back. Take it to the Supreme Court if you have to. Set a precedent! Make a difference! Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Some of the looks in the audience are priceless.
I've always got time for Peter. He has really helped me to question myself and really dig into what I feel is true and then extrapolate or interrogate whether it can be demonstrated as true with a sufficient level of confidence.
You're absolutely right about woke neocolonialism. I was thinking about it a lot recently and I'm surprised to hear that I'm not the only one who noticed it! I'm Ukrainian and this is true for our country too. Since almost all members of our conservative, far-right, etc groups are soldiers now, our queer organizations face no fear and feel free to push their agenda. Besides a good idea to legalize civil partnership, they're actively pushing all that stuff with nonbinary-ness, neopronouns and other "progressive" things. Most of them are irrelevant to Ukrainian society. Our racism is not the same as racism in America. Our idea of gender is not the same as in America. Purely English-speaking phenomenon of pronouns as something that signifies gender identity doesn't work in Ukrainian language, which has different grammar that doesn't has any way to talk about a nonbinary person in a polite way - the only gender neutral option is to talk about them as an inanimate object, which is considered as a derogatory way to talk about a person. I can elaborate on it if you're curious, but the main point is that an idea of nonbinary gender system is inherently foreign to our culture. Yet we have to accept it and not question, just copy and paste from the west.
Those queer activist say, this is important bc we won't be accepted to the EU and NATO otherwise. I thought, our main problems with the EU and NATO are corruption, poverty and other flaws in our government's structure, not misgendering or being uneducated about genderfluids.
Western woke activists often talk about how awful it is that white colonialists forced native societies to change their vision of gender to fit their binary idea of gender. And now the same powerful people of Anglo-Saxon heritage are doing exactly the same - forcing natives to change their society to please them.
I believe, if American queers were less aggressive and didn't try to force their beliefs on others, many Central and Eastern European countries wouldn't have serious homophobia problem.
"Besides a good idea to legalize civil partnership"
Why is this a "good idea"? What about it makes it a good idea? I'm no Ukrainian, but are you saying that in the Ukraine, gay people couldn't previously enter into a legal agreement that allowed them to share property? This sounds like the claim over in the US that somehow gay marriage recognition is a "good idea." Why? What makes the states involvement in your relationships a good idea? More to the point, why should the state have any interest in gay relations, assuming this is what you are referencing?
"Our idea of gender is not the same as in America"
Yes it is. " Purely English-speaking phenomenon of pronouns as something that signifies gender identity doesn't work in Ukrainian language, which has different grammar that doesn't has any way to talk about a nonbinary person in a polite way - the only gender neutral option is to talk about them as an inanimate object, which is considered as a derogatory way to talk about a person. I can elaborate on it if you're curious, but the main point is that an idea of nonbinary gender system is inherently foreign to our culture. Yet we have to accept it and not question, just copy and paste from the west. "
You just described what is happening in the US. So how is it any different from Ukraine? It used to be the same here. Your gendered language may be one thing, but that is not stopping these people. Our pronouns were gendered as well. These people simply make up stuff as they go along. You admit they are doing the same in your country.
"I believe, if American queers were less aggressive and didn't try to force their beliefs on others, many Central and Eastern European countries wouldn't have serious homophobia problem."
I used to believe this. But, though I am an atheist, I am humbled by what the Bible presents as knowledge spanning centuries. And one such snippet of wisdom is that homosexuality is bad. The ancients may not have been able to express exactly why they thought so, but they must have seen something that led them to this conclusion. I have never had any issue with gay people, had many friends who were gay. But I believe that it may be true that where homosexuality is allowed to flourish, degeneracy and depravity follow.
@KatriaThePotato Well said! I call neopronouns "colonialist, linguistic vandalism". Like the way the Woke want to use "Latinx" for Latinos. They're forcing THEIR linguistic rules onto someone ELSE'S language.
I understand how the only non-binary pronoun you could use in Ukrainian would be like saying "it" in English, very dehumanizing.
Ages ago (the 1970s, I think) there was an American person who was intersex who actually wanted to be called "it" because this person didn't want "he" or "she". This person's first name was Toby, I saw a recording of an interview Toby did on "The Phil Donohue Show", I wish I could remember the name of the video. Anyway, no one in the audience felt like "it" fit a person. I don't even say "it" for a dog or cat, always "he" or "she".
What does imaginary "woke" mean again?
Quit trying to force your hate and homophobia on me.
You seem to think non binary nonsense is expressed effortlessly in English, and it is not. These words have been introduced very recently and just because these neologisms don’t have exact translations in your language don’t mean they aren’t coming.
When tenure tracked professors quit their job they most often never work in universities again. I would like to see Peter do a book and go on the lecture circuit. He has great ideas on the state of wokeness on campuses.
The best part about a scientific word view is that you can immediately change your position in the face of new evidence.
Yeah but this only works if science is free. We are at a point where you only get the data which fits into the woke-feminist worldview, so for the anti woke movement it is, in my opinion, a dangerous path to argue with science and data when it comes to social aspects which matter in the culture war(its different in physics etc )
Peter speaks wisdom.
Interesting examples of his changing his mind. These examples seemed to be real world situations which turned out differently to his predictions rather than philosophical / ideological / political / social
belief systems.
This is very interesting. Especially the part about asking questions being an affront. That gives me chills. I can't imagine a learning institution that gets upset with questions. Maybe I should ask questions about asking questions.
Thanks, especially for making the all-important distinction between equity and equality.
What is that "all-important" distinction again that isn't preferential semantics?
this is so off topic but this stage/backdrop is so beautiful and relaxing. i would love to sit and listen to talks all day because of how nice it all looks.
"the easier something is to be faked, the further away from reality it is." 🤯🤯
That was a really good point!
"It feels like a lack of equity to me..." Wow, talk about being brainwashed, and it is the perfect example of what Dr. Peter Boghossian was attempting to teach the audience about. Brian Bar refers to a policy as inequity.
I don’t know his name, but it isn’t Brian.
The name of the program is “Brain Bar”
@@stvbrsn oh ty for clarification. Sometimes I don't see so well.
@@summertime104 sure thing. Yeah, I mix up Brian/brain sometimes, and I’m not dyslexic in the least! Cheers!
Amazingly so do an incredible amount of neuroscience researchers and scientists when submitting papers 😂
I'd feel a little like as Peter spoke a fog come down over the interviewer and the brainwashing was interfering with his understanding of his points.
Being able to admit you're wrong or to change your mind, is humbling.
Sociology and any related fields are just creative writing at this point.
It is not a true science, even though it's in the category of "social sciences".
OG sociology that is based on data is still useful. it's simply been misapplied
I love Peter. He has such a fearless heart.
Or at least a transphobic one.
@@highroller-jq3ix uh oh looks like a liberal got offended by someone open minded😄what else is new
that chariot-reasoning metaphor is wild. Protect Peter
Yeah, except for that he forgot the charioteer, which was the point of the argument. Poor Plato.
Also agree 💯... I have zero tolerance for bullshit... Especially when delivered by people who believe and act like victims!
Love Peter.... excellent
Changing our mind is the top human superpower we make.
I have not heard of Peter before but he is brilliant wouldn't mind be exposed to ideas like the ones he has more often its quite lighthearted but still to the point
4:38 this is outing the tendency EVERYWHERE by EVERYONE to describe their thoughts as feelings. You can recognize it when you hear people say, “I feel that…”. Then they describe a thought, which can be challenged. But you cannot challenge a feeling. Saying “I feeling that micro-aggressions are as harmful as any actual aggression.” That cannot be challenged because it is a feeling. But if a person said “I think that “micro-aggressions are as harmful as any actual aggression” it could be (and easily) challenged.
dam i am glad when i am wrong it mean ....I AM LEARNING !!!!! I was in a disscuions with some one the other day . She said to me "Oh you have an answer for every thing , you always got to be right !" i was astounded .I told her it is about learning and if she has the answers that are factual and she could back them up i will gladly change my mind . As a chef , you get unwarranted criticism all day every day . To alot of other people they do not even know how to hold a conversation when some one has a different opinion than them ...
Great interview. There is no certainty in feelings. Feelings are a moving target. You can't build anything around something subjective.
I’m a religious person and a conservative. I appreciate this man’s anti-cult aka critical thinking work. In matters of atheism, politics, or faith, the fundamentalist cultish ideological aspects are the dangerous parts that dehumanize people to the point of murderous insanity.
Boghossian is a master orator...he didn't get in the weeds and didn't let "gotcha" questions derail him
I ❤ Peter Boghossian.
Disappointed to hear PB keeps assault weapons. In my preferred world, that would not be possible.
So... You think only designated government employees should have access to guns?
Saying that asking questions is a micro-aggression, is itself also a micro-aggression . . . and so is that.
George Orwell prophesized this "new speak".
Prophesied.
Boghossian is on target here. Excellent.
Loved this, thank you ~
It’s so refreshing to listen to someone who can and does recognize when he’s wrong.
The sad part is; Had he done some research, given certain topics (IE Iraq war) congative reasoning or simple common sense, He wouldn't made the assumption U.S disinformation network waa correct.
I'm abput as old as him. I'm 40-0 for my "conspiracy theories" being 100%. When the U.S accused Saddam of moving Calderon accelerators via Big rigs or rail car to Syria. I called BS. Saddam, Gaddafi Edi Amin all tried to remove U.SD as trade currency. Was their demise.
When they knew too much about a disease they couldn't study( covid) in Nov 2019- China threw everyone out, deleting their own MDs. I called BS.
I knew in 1983 the world is run by 15/20 ppl( DAVOS) who decide who rises, falls, what is & isn't. Vindicated.
Wait until he finds out how wrong about Russia he is. See Azov Nazi coup 2014 J McCain Lindsay Graham Victoria Newland roles in genocide of 20k Russian Ukrainians.
We need to study prisons more and how “groups” in prisons work. I feel like we are slowly heading to a world that behaves like “prison gangs” eventually I’m going to have to pick a side. And it probably isn’t going to be up to me in the end. That’s. Scary.
Philosophical scepticism saves lives.
If you want unforgettable, precious feelings in your life, you don't focus on feelings themselves, but on truth, good and beauty, humbly in service of what you discover.
The worst is believing you have the solution and it involves changing other people, or even the whole society.
Wow, that would be great on a Hallmark card. Excellent word-salading.
Peter changed my mind at the end!
Thanks Peter Boghossian
Uhm,..I’m just learning of this fella.
Thank you youtube.
Ibram X Kendi says The only way to fix discrimination is to practice discrimination . In the 60’s and 70’s we called affirmative action reverse racism . The third Reich used the race based selection process as well . I can’t tell you how many people told me I was wrong , closed minded , racist ect . Now in 2023 ,They finally admit it .
This might be a long one. There are four different ways to have a conversation. 1. Two people that have views but don't want to change them. They are having the conversation for brownie points. Either with a crowd to observe or privately where they judge each other. Or with the hope that even though they disagree, if someone is watching, someone may change their mind (looking at you youtube people). 2. One person is willing to change their mind if they hear the right thing, the other is willing to share. That could be bully tactics, could be someone kind of wanting to change, just waiting for the right words. 3. No one cares about the topic. People's eyelashes are too long. We could have a conversation about it, but why. 4. Two people of conviction, but willing to listen. Maybe you have a point, maybe you just validate my opinions. Could go either way. We should strive for the last one. If we don't, why have conversation at all?
Side note, social media being a vehicle for evil. I realize, I am commenting on here, but not on any other social media. Of course it is a vehicle for evil. So is any communication option. Email, phone calls, talking, body language, smoke signals, telling your brother to tell your friend to tell the next door neighbor "insert horrible insult here". Doesn't matter. People will find a way. We should have the freedom of speech. That way when people say stupid things, we can say they are being stupid and keep an eye on them.
That is hands down the best definition of bullshit I’ve ever heard. I’m going to be using that. A lot.
His definition even manages to imply how much of the bullshit hinges upon self-deception. This is key.
In fact, I believe this is the reason why we have the expression “you can’t bullshit a bullshitter.”
I find it hard to comprehend that we need to teach people that it's a good thing to be able to change your mind and grow. This should be taught in schools as a basic idea to be embraced from childhood.
This man just turned into my personal hero.
That said, Ireally enjoyed the India - UK relations argument.
India hasn't been ruled by the British for 76 years, and clearly a number of years prior to the hosts birth, so I'm not sure why he thinks its a "bananas concept" he has to pay for a visa. British people have to pay for visas to India. If he was being charged £400 for a visa he clearly wasn't paying for a standard visitors visa and so more likely a long-term visa. And as far as his complaint he won't get a refund if his visa is rejected, well that happens in other countries too and it would only be rejected for good reason. His experience didn't relate to the concept of equity as described by Peter Boghossian and it just sounded like an excuse for him to express the resentment he has towards the British.
@@maryjones4029 Exactly! Not to mention that the British rule brought about decisive infrastructural and legislative reform that India really needed. Indians should be grateful for the larger part of the British rule. Especially women who the Indians burned alive with their dead husbands!
@maryjones4029 exactly it makes no sense. A standard visitor visa is £100 and can stay for 6 months. The closest one I could find for about £400 was a "2 year long term visitor visa". His issue seemed unrelated to the conversation and unfounded in any fact. Any forgein national (exempt some commonwealth countries, EU member countries and the US) would have to apply for the same visa and pay the same fees. You are correct, if his application was rejected, then either he messed-up on the paper work, applied for the wrong visa, or was not eligible for some reason, this would apply to any other foreign nationals application form other countries. He is deflecting responsibility for his mistake.
Social Media is not a tool for evil, because ultimately an open channel for dialogue will leverage off human capacity for good and the human need for truth - If evil is promulgated across the channel it will be exposed for what it is and subside. It may even meet justice on Social Media. Truth will out & the reasonable horse will lead the chariot. God Bless America 🕊🦅🕊. Veritas lux.
social media is absolutly dreadfull and part of the reason people are so radical
Unfortunately, it is increasingly subject to manipulation with the goal of changing human behavior. Artificial Intelligence will increase the sophistication of that by orders of magnitude. In fact, military-grade psy-ops are being used against users to "nudge" their thinking into certain positions.
It’s not a lack of equity, it’s bureaucracy.
The problem is that the media and other, especially RUclips, talking heads only discuss the bad side of social media: politics, generally. But Social media also brings people of common interests together. Now, that's not always a good thing as even then there are a lot of a$$holes. But regardless, that is a net positive for society. People just need to adjust to the technology. It's a log road but we will get there.
Great interview and lecture!
I really appreciate Peter's ideas and always learn something when I listen to his speak, but I was disappointed that he didn't engage in depth with the interviewer on several excellent questions. For example, the question about visas and travelling from India to the UK. I would have loved to hear his perspective on that and wish he hadn't brushed it aside. Woke culture has gone bananas, of course, but there are still kernels of truth that can't just be erased with a quick, "We colonised and exploited you for decades/centuries but we gave you independence so we're all equal now, get over it." The Windrush generation in the UK have experienced structural racism. Women in America experience structural sexism, because they don't have laws to protect them regarding maternity leave, despite the fact that they are birthing the next generation of workers for this meritocracy that is so idealised by anti-woke types. Women need equity because equality will see them fall behind men in a meritocracy-based workplace. Statistics show that right around the time women have their first child, their husbands are getting promoted. I'm not saying that women should get special treatment, I'm saying that women deserve laws and protections to acknowledge the merit in birthing and raising children. Some structures do need to change and people shouldn't be accused of being mindlessly woke for saying so. I just wish this nuance was part of Peter's dialogue. He asked for concrete examples of evidence in this talk. I wish he'd give some of his own when he dismisses structures and other woke ideas. I am not woke, not any more at least, but I'm also not going to dive into accepting everything Peter says, because as he put it himself, keeping an open mind is key and none of us can expect to find the full truth in one person. We all have our blind spots, but I'm really grateful that Peter starts the discussion and is honest about the messiness of it all.
@20 min: meritocracy is good for people. It gets us working hard, but it’s not the only thing that gets us moving up the ladder. And sometimes, in some work places, it’s not enough.
My grandparents worked in Celyon during the second world war....also assisted in the replacement of Europeans with local educated people. On return to the UK - no entitled status as absent from the UK. They were involved in Tea growing and production. So easy to lay blame in one corner
FYI- the prices for UK visas are the same for all countries. He's referencing a work visa (conferences are work) which is more expensive than a tourism visa. It's expensive and cumbersome but not discriminatory. There is no proof there is an inevitability of rejection for him. I'm from a former British colony that has to apply for visas, the same as him. Assuming he is entitled to special treatment (freedom from applying for visas) for his race is very telling where he is on the woke scale.
So funny to see Peter now, when I went to PSU he was combating the religious right and now the he's combating the woke
If we do not test ideas and question beliefs which seem to be compassionate and inclusive on the surface, how are we to ever know whether it’s a good idea or a bad idea?
The problem being if you try to communicate they become violent and shut you down heaven help the future children
@@pamelasloan1664 And that reaction is how we know it’s most likely a bad idea. Good ideas usually stay balanced and coherent.
We will keep you safe here, Dr. You would be welcome in Canada.
Great work
1:10 - There are offices of DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion) which will investigate you. How is this any different to political commissars in the Soviet Union.
Anything can be a tool for evil. You can use a hammer to build and destroy. It’s people who choose the tools and the actions.
Great video thank you 👍🏻
This should have way more views
Just brilliant 👍
A good way at looking a Equity isn’t the Work Visa to the UK. I would explain it to him this way.
Asians (including Indians, dot not feather) as a group have higher incomes than Black and White people. Equity would require business to lower your wages/income to increase the income of White and Black people.
This is what the purveyors of CRT call fairness.
Good example.
Equity is a reasonably simple concept to explain, it means to manipulate an outcome. It could simply be described as equality of outcome but as this ideology progresses, there is no assurance of equality of outcome - rather it is simply a desired outcome of a certain person or people.
The best way I saw equity explained was the meme of three people looking over a fence at a baseball game, but the legs of the standing people are cut off to match the person in a wheelchair.
The interviewer did a great job. Clear, straight forward questions. Peter also rocks. :D I love that I can hear great minds share their knowing on RUclips for free. Thank you guys.
The hoax paper he is speaking of was by a physics professor who wrote a paper on postmodernism. Since it was on postmodernism, it got published in the journal. But the paper revealed the problems with postmodernism.
Awesome dude
Just subscribed 👍🌟... Regards from Mumbai India 🙂
Found out about him with his Easter bunny lecture.
Great communicator of complicated ideas.
Peter didn’t call BS on the guys claim that “200 years of Britain masquerading as spice salesmen meant lack of equity [to this kid who lives in 2024, not 200 years ago],” and this set him up to be ineffective the rest of the conversation. The kid snuck that in like a snake and it went unacknowledged, then the kid goes into “you seem to like provoking people,” while Peter continued in good faith. The kid’s face suggests he is mistrusting and not in good faith. His questions illustrate that he’s working from a woke worldview. It distracted from the entire rest of the talk and Peter didn’t do a good job of refuting the kid’s points effectively.
He just didn't take the bait.
Life isn't always fair.. The host claimed that England oppressed India and therefore He shouldn't have to pay for a Visa to go Enland. I would advise him to ask the Indian people who were profiting on the "Oppression" of there own people at the time to pay for his Visa.
Good video. Thanks. Also I think people shot in the leg can still run and draw a gun, stab with a knife from a standing position
Asking for evidence a micro aggression 😂😂😂
Where is this filmed?
They fired the Philosophy professor for basically asking philosophical questions
good video
Equity: Reverse discrimination.
I recently confronted my 65 year old leftist mom on politics and it was a disaster. She lives alone, with her cat, reads the Washington Post religiously and watches PBS Newshour. So she has been sufficiently brainwash by these people so I try to talk some sense to her and she just cuss me out. I stood my ground and didn't back down despite her best attempts to shame me. But she took an unusually long shower and I think she was crying. Now I feel awful and I haven't been able to sleep for a few days because of guilt. I don't know if I made the best decision because she was so much happier without the confrontation, but the state of our country was eating me away and it was due to some of the politics she subscibes to.
I'm wondering if your expectation was to change her mind from the outside. As Mr. Boghossian said, that doesn't work. The best approach is to honestly and sincerely speak your truth as calmly as possible and plant a seed that can grow at her preferred rate. Of course, the job is made more difficult by the barrage of crap she's getting from traditional media.
@@RussCR5187 Yeah, the more I think about it the more I regret it. It has probably done a lot of damage to my relationship with my own mother. I held back coming out to her as someone on the right for a long time. But Mr. Boghossian did say 'hard conversations' were better than 'no conversation.' So I don't know...I came off a bit too aggressive but that was in response of her cussing at me. I should have tried to talk to her calmy about it before she had time to get angry. Maybe it's the optics that I'm upset about and not necessarily the fact that I said anything to her.
You were right to speak on an ideology which not only mentally harms, but physically harms so many. What, should we not speak the truth because we are afraid of an illogical persons reaction? That’s exactly how we got to where we are. Go along to get along leads here.
@@TheCurlyWHard conversations are hard to have the right way. I think your idea was right but the execution came short. But no worries, it was better to have it and learn than never had or learned. You can always say sorry (for being intrusive/aggressive) and say that wasn't your intent. And hope that your mother is wise enough to forgive. You can both have a conversation about what happened and explain your motives, not defend or start arguing, but to objectively reflect to help show it was a misunderstanding and lack of ability to talk about hard things.
All the best & good luck.
@@TheCurlyWYou obviously meant well. It's painfully difficult to be confronted with ideas that challenge your world view, especially when you're older. She may see it as a personal rejection of her as a person or of her as your mom.
It is equilibrium we need
28:00 how about you go on a mental journey together and try to see whether your own believes hold up using Socrates' method?
Is there a morality police in Iran?
His stance on Twitter is ideologically opposed to all of his other views.
OK I take issue with one thing Peter said which I think might be very important.
On Peter's point of publishing papers and peer review being bollocks, I don't disagree, but his conclusion that it is because of ideologues, not sure I agree.
Listened to a debate panel recently that pointed to a study (which is about to sound ironic) showing how badly ALL peer reviewers perform in catching errors, I forget the exact percentage but I believe it was less than 30%.
It might be very difficult to assert orthodoxy is the primary reason for bad academics being done if the above study is generally accurate for all of academia. I coukd be wrong but from what I remember the study in question focused on the hard sciences.
Just think about it, when 30% don't catch errors in hard science, how high will the number be in soft science, where the tool of logical thinking doesn't even apply? I am an anthropologist, one of the most polluted sciences, when it comes to social justice
@@seanpennhauer9133 i don't really see where I disagree with that here, maybe you could quote a part to me that seems like I am? I'm not seeing it myself.
Paid-off corruption has become a huge problem in addition to incompetency.
I feel like the interviewer was struggling with a lot of the ideas. It’s hard to look at him and not wonder if he was hired for his interview skills or jus skin colour these days which is sad. I never really ever thought about that until they started with this whole ideology of pretending discriminating is virtuous.
Idk why some people here are getting mad at the presenter. His job is to ask questions and try to be a bit argumentative towards the guest. Bootlicking is not the way.
Wonderful host.
"No, I don't want to answer this question anymore"
"Ok, now you got a giraffe, a hippo, and a monkey" Lol Thank you for the enjoyable trolley problem torture
👍Peter
I agree with Peter 100% what is going on
This guy!
Beliefs are dangerous.
The host seemed to have a problem with the fact he had to pay for a business visitor visa to attend his meeting in the UK. But this is a fee that EVERYONE who is not British has to pay. If someone from the UK was attending a business meeting in India they would have to pay for a similar visa. I am from Canada, I had to pay for a visa to move and live in the UK, there was no guarantee I was going to get it and the money I paid would be gone regardless. This is the reality of international travel and business sometimes. I don't see how he feels he should be exempt from having to apply for a visa and pay the fee like everyone else. It is equal treatment for everyone who is a foreign national who wants to do business in the UK, or any other country.
Millions of people want access to the UK and have no intention of leaving. Most of these people are from India.
Simple. It's black or white. Can't sit the fence. It is or isn't. When the fence is blured, all goes to shite. Simple as that.
What is the “it” you’re referring to?
14:41 nice and well, but if all countries will take the past into account it is going to be very messy and complex situation. I bet there are some countries that have some complaints about India's behavior in the past....
😲 The first horse on a chariot should always be reasoning.
Our language contributes to a lot of our social problems.
For example, because the sex of the baby (more so in the past) is unknown, the unborn child is often referred to as, "it".
What do you hope it is? Blaa blaa
This wording has contributed to the dehumanization of the baby. Thusly is IMO a large contributing factor as to why those that are pro abortion very seldom deal with the biological question, what about the baby's right to his/her body? Referring to an unborn child as an it, creates a mindset already to accept the baby as an it and therefore not human.
The other example was you demonstrated in your conversation here in this discussion.
You said "We" treated "people ' horribly.
The very wording is problematic because it's incorrect and assigns blame onto many individuals that had no past connection (personally or through family line) onto others that may have had problems, personally or through family line ...
A better way to speak of historical events would be to say some people did this that or the other ... while others were at those actions expense.
And even that isn't really a great way to discuss events of the past ...
Because it presumes that some how ill treatment, injustices are some how not as bad when done by "their own group".
Why quite frankly I get a bit leery with the whole Indian question of colonialism by the British.
India had been conquered by the Greeks, the Persians, the Mongols, you name it... I'm sure there's more cultural appropriation and territorial disputes that happen that I'm not even aware of.
It's just at the British were the most recent.
Basically boils down to something else you said, either get over it or perpetuate it your choice!
you made some great points!! I always appreciate new perspective.
“Cis” is an unnecessary prefix. Male and Female need no descriptor. “Cis” is Latin for “on the side of” or “on this side” If anyone needs the prefix is trans people. Cis, trans male or female. “On the side of” trans, man or woman makes far more sense, because we literally have no idea WTF is going with, they, them, their and their hundreds of pronouns.
16:58 Who are "we"? I wasn't part of that "we". People are individuals and if some one person is an asshole, they will then be treated (by me) as such. If you haven't treated me "horrific", I wouldn't haven't been part of the "we" to treat them "horrific". People need to break out of their assigned group and be an individual first.
How does a person break out of a group if he is consistently being treated as an asshole in return for being an asshole? Don't the two together just fan the flames?
In the places where I live and work equity actually means asking if there are ways in which the system makes life harder for some people than for others and removes those barriers where practicable. The simple example is when there people are trying to watch a baseball game who are different heights and there is a wooden fence that only the tallest person can see over. Equality means making sure there are things to stand on so everyone can see the game. Equity says we should ask whether there is a different fence we could use that people could see through while serving whatever need the original fence was serving.
I very much doubt that the words equity and equality are really used in that way where you live and work. But I would not be at all surprised if for some reason you might find it expedient to pretend they are used as you say.
Nah. I think equality would be allowing the spectators to find (or bring their own) prop to stand or sit on.
Equity would be “let’s tear down the fence entirely”
See: Chesterton
The fence at the ballgame analogy as a definition of equity is a disarming way of saying, “let’s be fair”. But the reality is that it is not fair. It would be the same to tell athletes in a running competition, “Based on everyone’s past performances, the starting lines for each runner on the track will be adjusted in order for everyone to cross the finish line at the same time.” It may be “equitable”, but it is not fair. It punishes the more capable.
@@ralphanderson4501 Context matters Ralph. My analogy was about people watching the game, not the athletes competing to win. For the people watching the game my analogy holds, for the competitors it does not.
@@emilynewberry1873 I understand, but the fence analogy has been used by many people to imply that the starting line should be adjusted in every aspect of life, from education to work to salaries in order for outcomes to be equal. Some people by hard work, natural talent, ambition, dedication succeed in their field, where others don't. It would be not be fair to hold them back in the name of equity. Unfortunately, that is what is now happening in our woke society.