I PU'd the OTTOMANS as WESTERN ROMAN EMPIRE!

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  • @noaccount4
    @noaccount4 3 месяца назад +88

    Finally, a use for the support rebels function

    • @therealmcromano319
      @therealmcromano319 3 месяца назад

      I only use it if I have nothing else to use my spy network on and if their nation pisses me off enough

  • @dandanray8698
    @dandanray8698 3 месяца назад +105

    ngl I don’t think paradox should even patch this, considering how many conditions have to be fulfilled to achieve this in any way

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +21

      Oh come on this is not really hard... just one event and then one war...

    • @user-fu8zh7kk3z
      @user-fu8zh7kk3z 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@thestudentYTand 50 years of time and effort

  • @TheSocialStreamers
    @TheSocialStreamers 3 месяца назад +103

    Not to be that guy that comments on videos for attention, but I sent you an email about a little something I've got cooking, if you're interested... also guys like you are why people think EU4 RUclipsrs are meant to be good at the game, really ruining the niche for me here 😰

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +45

      Oh sorry I didn't see it :/ and also sorry for the other thing but I think your content is just another great way to entertain the people so keep it up! :)

    • @gabri-immortale
      @gabri-immortale 3 месяца назад +6

      Hey laith you should eat red hawk heart and became the casual guy for eu4 . Like how rarran is the casual channel for hearthstone

    • @klaasvaak2575
      @klaasvaak2575 3 месяца назад +5

      dont know if serious but just going for chill games would probably save many players sanity. All meta ing that happening last years. I think i started playing slightly before it, back then we had some mechanics but i just searched wiki's and used google to find out why my estates got rebels and why i should not give all provinces to the estates.
      Meta ing too much is almost the same feeling that drugs or exploiting gives, when you know how high you could be, nothing comes close to that feeling even though that place is bad for you.

    • @wachtwoord5796
      @wachtwoord5796 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@gabri-immortale this. I love to watch Red Hawk even though he's not very good. He rolls with whatever happens (no restarts, no save scumming) which is a real niche as most videos are try hard.
      Try hard is fun too (it's why I watch thestudent and other's like him) but if you want to compete with that you have to bring it. If not, much better to find a niche.
      Other niches are succession games, achievement hunting, MP, role play, etc.
      Ps: I am glad Red Hawk stopped with making mistakes on purpose (no CB Ming) as I didn't find that fun at all.

    • @igor8770
      @igor8770 3 месяца назад +1

      Thank you, Laith, for making us simple gamers feel that we are not that bad at the game 🤗

  • @user-ts5wk3ed4x
    @user-ts5wk3ed4x 3 месяца назад +17

    It is obvious that this "heStudent" is anything but a student. He is a Master and this is a masterclass episode. He took EU4 apart and has disseminated it. Every time I watch one of his videos its nothing like the other EU4 creator videos. He thinks out of the box, his strategies are nothing like others and the information is so detailed. As an engineer, I appreciate this level of skill.

  • @Theplaymaker57
    @Theplaymaker57 3 месяца назад +26

    I found this very interesting, However I would consider Event holding and giving away the province and selecting an event for a province you don't own =exploit , and I'm not sure why it matters 🤣. I'm more than happy to use exploits myself, they can be fun.

    • @tanaelol
      @tanaelol 3 месяца назад +1

      yeah definitely an exploit 🤣 not that it matters

  • @carltonleboss
    @carltonleboss 3 месяца назад +21

    On the same lines, I wonder if Austria's "Spread dynasty" CB they get from their missions can be as OP as I think it is.

    • @TayVal-cx8fy
      @TayVal-cx8fy 3 месяца назад

      I used it, yes, its really really op. bascially pu everyone (just make sure they like you so you can royal marriage and claim their throne right after you install dynasty.)

    • @JagerAJDe
      @JagerAJDe 3 месяца назад

      Just yes, enforce dynasty for no AE

  • @wololo3781
    @wololo3781 2 месяца назад +3

    The Ottomans will decide your fate
    Basileus : I am the Ottomans

  • @wait...5091
    @wait...5091 3 месяца назад +29

    New challenge: pu all big players of EU4 - Ottomans, France, Poland, England, Austria, Castile,Persia,Mamluks,Timurids/Mughals, Ming, Japan, Korea, One big Horde

    • @Eluno91
      @Eluno91 3 месяца назад +11

      *Liberty Desire has entered the chat*

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +16

      They have -26% right at the end :) So it is possible to keep everyone loyal

    • @dovahdood
      @dovahdood 3 месяца назад +19

      @@Eluno91PU’s don’t depend on total subject strength, just their own relative to your own, and honestly PU’s are the easiest to keep loyal

    • @Shadow.24772
      @Shadow.24772 3 месяца назад +2

      @@dovahdood this.
      @wait...5091 if you have a big Commonwealth in a France game and follow french missions to Vassalize said 1k+ dev Commonwealth, you will rue the day of it. you'll never get them loyal xD

    • @marcinkusmierzak991
      @marcinkusmierzak991 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Shadow.24772 PUs are a lot easier to keep loyal than vassals

  • @teddys5775
    @teddys5775 3 месяца назад +2

    I played a Geneva game where I had over 100% warscore cost reduction to force convert nations. I’ve got an image around here where I forced the ottomans to become reformed with negative 500 warscore. This was when you could also get mana for force converting so I had unlimited mana

  • @Cynndora
    @Cynndora 3 месяца назад +1

    cool roleplay strat, helping rebels achieve their goals.
    another win for espio ideas.

  • @alperenergin8038
    @alperenergin8038 3 месяца назад +3

    şu oyuna kafa yorduğun kadar fizik kimyaya kafa yorsan atomu parçalamıştın the student... bravo

    • @_butwhy
      @_butwhy 3 месяца назад

      the irony of praising this in turkish is of course completely lost on the less astute real world 'kebab' haters... bravo alperenergin

  • @Stephen64138
    @Stephen64138 3 месяца назад +11

    Bravo to you for exploring the extent of some of the most unknown and perhaps, underrated mechanics of the game. For that alone, your channel is worth following for any EU4 enjoyers.
    But you must admit that it is very convoluted. I may use religious zealots to convert another country to my religion. But nearly 50 years of active work to establish a PU over any nation is not worth it, except for the meme.

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +11

      It is... Conquering such a nation takes 9 100% Wars! That's 135 Years for Truces only and then another 3-4 really tough long wars minimum instead of one for the PU... and then it's also like 10 times more AE than taking a Union and no Rebels and Seperatism and so on... those 40 years (not 50) that it took me here are so much more worth it then conquering (of course apart from the Byz Meme Start)

    • @Stephen64138
      @Stephen64138 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@thestudentYT From the setup moment of the video to the PUing of kebab, it's 1550 to 1598, so 48 years. That's why I said 50. If you calculate it otherwise, whatever.
      Then, it's 48 years to enforce that PU. Then 50 years of waiting to annex it and perhaps 20 years of annexation. So basically 120+ years before you directly own the land.
      Then, you calculation for the time it would take to conquer them is fallacious. Because it don't take into consideration the reset truce 'mechanic' the province warscore cost you would have if taken diplo idea in your first 3. And finally the fact that by the time you utterly defeated them and taken key provinces, the ottomans quickly collapse and get's ganged on by PLC, Mamluks, Russia, etc... And they will often make them release tags and no longer guarantee them after some time.
      So if played correctly, the 9x 100% wars against turks can quickcly become a 3-4 100% wars + wars between small tags and neighboors between.

    • @Stephen64138
      @Stephen64138 3 месяца назад +1

      @@thestudentYT I'm not saying it's bad nor that it's a very interesting and mastered way of playing the game. I learned a lot of small very nice tricks watching your videos. But as I have said, it's very convoluted and for the meme. The mechanic is nice and worth using in games. But reaching the kurdistan as Byz in 1600 will not make Diplo-Adm-Influence obsolete I think..

  • @Dunkerque351
    @Dunkerque351 3 месяца назад +6

    Personally, waging proxy wars like this is a fantastic substitution for geopolitical Victoria Era great powers gameplay until a Victoria mod for EU5 comes out

  • @Ragatokk
    @Ragatokk Месяц назад +2

    Man I converted my muscovy to tengri to meme with 100% cav ratio, it took the rebels like 30 years to siege 51%

  • @combrade-t
    @combrade-t 3 месяца назад +1

    This is quite nice. The Event seems like it could be the most annoying part of the strategy, alongside the downsides of moving capital if you have trade income, but its incredibly useful if nothing else just to get a big chunk of a region pretty easily. Telling when they're gunna actually convert seems like it could be a lil bit annoying, but that just means you have to stay in the war longer to be safe so it's not that bad.
    I can imagine this being pretty useful against Korea since they often build up enough dev that it takes quite a few wars to kill them, whilst also not being that many provinces to wait for the rebels to walk onto and convert.
    The potential in PUs aside just being able to convert massive amounts of land in enemy countries pretty reliably is cool all on its own. It's a very different kind of war than most EU4 Wars where it likely weakens them diplomatically or otherwise, makes them ideal land for you to conquer since it's your religion now, and sets you up (if christian) to just absorb them entirely.
    I wish more religions had the ability to PU, imagine showing up in Europe as e.g. Majapahit, taking 2 provinces off of mega-france then forcibly converting them to Hindu and then just sweeping in to take them for yourself.

  • @knightoffailure1869
    @knightoffailure1869 3 месяца назад +1

    Wow, that's pretty impressive. Also kinda makes me want to start a Byz game where I focus on the west first and leave the Ottos alone for a while. Sounds like an interesting/cool way to roleplay.

  • @DeWellstein
    @DeWellstein 3 месяца назад +1

    Richtig gutes Zeug. Hätte niemals gedacht, dass dies so früh möglich ist.

  • @glassman1130
    @glassman1130 3 месяца назад +2

    Real Split of Roman Empire:

  • @harryellis910
    @harryellis910 3 месяца назад +4

    I’ve been looking forward to this…

  • @jruss609
    @jruss609 3 месяца назад +1

    What inspired your name “TheStudent”? Is it at all inspired by the work by William Sealy Gosset, who wrote statistical work pseudonymously as “Student”? Because you, like Gosset are a bloody expert!

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +2

      Haha no it is more simple than that: I am a History Student at University so that's why I am literally a "Student" xD
      But thanks for the compliment :)

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV 3 месяца назад +1

    So many years of playing this game and I had no idea support rebels CB existed

  • @TheNoldaz
    @TheNoldaz 3 месяца назад +5

    Simple easy normal mecanics. Me after 10 min: what the

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +3

      It's new... but it's not difficult right?

    • @TheNoldaz
      @TheNoldaz 3 месяца назад +1

      @@thestudentYT I guess, it not your video it me lol, I never do pu because I think its too much shenanigans already 😁

  • @neverminder0023
    @neverminder0023 3 месяца назад +2

    I'd say event holding and essentially converting your own orthodox zealots into Ottoman orthodox zealots is an exploit but it doesn't matter. Still very good video.

  • @2009worstyearever
    @2009worstyearever 3 месяца назад +2

    everyone is talking about the conversion and no one is asking how you have all of Italy and Maghrab while surviving mega Ottomans that you obviously didnt knee cap.

    • @ParagonCS
      @ParagonCS 3 месяца назад +2

      alliances and powerbase from naples. you can rush naples before ottomans attack you its not hard

    • @manooxi327
      @manooxi327 15 дней назад

      watch previous videos

  • @dan_sampson7722
    @dan_sampson7722 3 месяца назад +1

    Just when I think there's nothing more outlandish you could possibly show after every video, you drop this absolutely cursed bombshell that I'm absolutely going to try 💀

  • @bisqet3248
    @bisqet3248 3 месяца назад +6

    0 exploits (proceeds to switch 10 times through goverment reform)

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +8

      Bro I literally said that the insane switch of Government Reforms is only because of Byzantiums Special Tier 1 Reform and the others were only to get the same dynasty... I could have also just waited until my ruler dies to get an Osmanugulu and then it would literally be the exact same outcome without even any Government Reform switch!
      And anyways, switching Governement Reforms is definetly not an Exploit... I am even paying a lot for that

    • @bisqet3248
      @bisqet3248 3 месяца назад +3

      It's just a joke:)

    • @SereglothIV
      @SereglothIV 3 месяца назад +1

      It's a cheese, not an exploit. The shenanigans with orthodox rebels event could be considered an exploit though, as you make it work in a different way than intended. Not that I have anything against it ;)

  • @jimk.9959
    @jimk.9959 3 месяца назад +1

    ah ffs should've checked who made the reddit post lmao, i couldn't think of any nation that would fit the guess game other than otto but dismissed the idea because "no way some random redditor would go through that much trouble". and now i see this. incredible

  • @konstantinriumin2657
    @konstantinriumin2657 3 месяца назад +2

    Secret ending unlocked

  • @oltajt.1060
    @oltajt.1060 3 месяца назад +2

    im bouta play luxembourg and PU chukchi with this

  • @amilavxilmen5632
    @amilavxilmen5632 3 месяца назад +1

    Another underrated use of support rebels

  • @NervousTyler
    @NervousTyler 3 месяца назад +1

    Can Byzantium leverage their Catholic religion events where Orthodox rebels keep spawning in provinces to engineer more situations for the setup?

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      Yes they work as well but they are random at first so you won't know where they'll spawn but when they do and you can give away the Province then it'll still work

  • @mischadebrouwer9855
    @mischadebrouwer9855 3 месяца назад +1

    Ha! Playmaker should've known this before he did his tedious one faith + one culture WC recently

  • @aqvamarek5316
    @aqvamarek5316 3 месяца назад +1

    What do you think about the new Austrian peace treaty option,
    "Spread your dynasty"....
    It gives +25 mana of all type, and force your dynasty on your war target for 50 warscore ...
    In my option broken op....put a von Habsburg on french throne this way ..
    But even more broken, with force a heir, you can switch dynasty, and simply farm all monarchies again for your new dynasty and "extra mana".

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      I haven't tested this yet so I can't tell right now

    • @aqvamarek5316
      @aqvamarek5316 3 месяца назад +1

      @@thestudentYT It is 50% warscore cost, and force your dynastie on any monarchie.,
      So all you little OPM minors in th HRE are +1 war, which adds 25 mana points.
      Normally there are 50 monarchies in the HRE, so it is 1250 adm/dip/mil mana in the HRE only.
      And on the big boys, one war with 50 warscore, you force your dynastie and truce on them, rest is claim throne the moment the window opens.

  • @arpadcsosz8248
    @arpadcsosz8248 3 месяца назад +6

    Cool strategy but i fail to see how would this be more effective than the good old conquest cb

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +5

      I mean apart from this Meme Byz run here I would rather do that with like 40 years of preparation than fighting 9 Wars at 100% Warscore which would take like 140 years easily alone from the truces plus 3-4 long hard wars instead of one... so I'd say for the really big ones it is more efficient

    • @noaccount4
      @noaccount4 3 месяца назад +2

      @@thestudentYT it also has a niche in allowing you to divide aggressive expansion amongst religious groups better, e.g. stealing ottomans from the sunni group means you won't get as much AE with sunnis when you vassalise ottomans + you get less AE from PU casus belli compared to conquest cb

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      Oh of course you get like 1/4 of the AE if you PU them in comparison to Conquest

  • @ionising3344
    @ionising3344 3 месяца назад +1

    I would love a full guide on this Byzantium strat. Looking at the map I can kind of piece together the first wars but what is your plans for France and Spain?

    • @Sowaq
      @Sowaq 3 месяца назад

      he did video about byzantium, but if im not wrong it included beating ottomans so it was propably different save

  • @lkdominator4088
    @lkdominator4088 3 месяца назад +1

    ngl. I have lerned the power of favors and claim thrones in my Angevin game. PUs are stupidly easy to get even with out scuming. 1690 and I own spain,commonwealth(lithuania and Poland separately, what luck lol),denmark,Austria and Portugal aka half of Europe and new world.
    Honestly. if you want to relax in eu4, just play full PU game. they are fun af.

  • @gooodmusicballaballa
    @gooodmusicballaballa 3 месяца назад +1

    did you check if u can attach your army to rebel army once u declare war? like just stick to them inf & art each at combat width with a decent general and never look back. that'd save a lot of micro managing.

  • @stevenmelendez6683
    @stevenmelendez6683 Месяц назад +1

    Esto se puede usar con Japón católico para hacer PU al emperador celestial?

  • @crazehsmile
    @crazehsmile 3 месяца назад +1

    This is some next level shit lmao

  • @marcinkusmierzak991
    @marcinkusmierzak991 3 месяца назад +1

    Next step - revoke privilegia, convert to Sunni and make the entire HRE Sunni, keep Ottomans as the only Christian nation in the game

  • @Jalinar861
    @Jalinar861 3 месяца назад +1

    Great strategy. The bottleneck is spawning the event and also in the right province. Does it work only for Orthodox?

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +5

      No you can literally spawn in any exact province that you want to (it is ALWAYS a Province in your capital State) and you can get this event as ANY Religion in Game! And as I said it spawned twice in 19 years so it doesn't even take long...
      So in other terms it is 100% reliable and repeatable!

  • @Burno01
    @Burno01 3 месяца назад +1

    That's cursed

  • @CMVBrielman
    @CMVBrielman 3 месяца назад +1

    That Austria!

  • @patrickdawson6281
    @patrickdawson6281 20 дней назад +1

    Whats your graphical mod?

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  20 дней назад +2

      Theatrum Orbis Terrarum for 1.30+

  • @Merapsco
    @Merapsco 3 месяца назад +1

    Epic

  • @monetandameron4744
    @monetandameron4744 3 месяца назад +1

    So I need to have a core and return it to the target nationV

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      After you triggered the Rebel event for this Province, yes

  •  3 месяца назад +3

    This is so impractical and so RNG-dependent, Jewish Mexican one-faith one-culture WC is easier.

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      So then tell me, what in this video was luck?

    •  3 месяца назад +3

      @@thestudentYT It looks like it was birding a million times. RNG dependent stuff include:
      * getting infidel ruler in the first place
      * getting event in the right province
      * managing to return province fast enough before they get killed
      * rebels not getting killed during the war by basically anyone
      * then all the shenanigans to get the PU (well, that's technically more reform cycling exploit, so maybe it's not so much RNG)

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      So...:
      1. Getting a Heretic Ruler is no RNG at all, just waiting for a new Ruler on the Throne (that has no Consort) and then just Royal Marriaging Catholic Nations until you get a Catholic Consort which typically takes like 3 tries maximum... Then just make your Ruler a General and keep having heirs below age 15 (just disinherit them once they turn 15) and then you get the Regency of the Catholic Consort which as I said in the video counts already!
      2. Getting the event in the right province is literally the exact opposite of RNG... the Rebels of this event can only spawn in a province that is part of your capital State but not your Capital... so if you move your capital to a Province in a state where you only own 1 other Province (like I did in the video) then it is literally mathematically guarenteed that the Rebels spawn in exactly that one Province, so 100% scripted (honestly this one is so hard scripted that I don`t even know why I am even explaining this)
      3. Every event can be hold 3 and 1/2 months anyway befoe it get`s autoclicked so you have more than enough time to guarentee to retzurn the Province on time (as I did in the video) so there is another 100% scripted tactic and then once they spawn they only need 30 days to siege the province until you can help them and if you choose a province that is a little further of from the Ottoman armies (as I did in the video) then you can alson guarentee that the Ottomans can`t get there in 30 days
      4. That the Rebels are not getting killed is again 100% predictable as you only need to place your army directly on their army and it is literally impossible for your enemies to fight the rebels alone... and if you don`t call your allies and set your subjects to "passive" then there is also no one else that could defeat the Rebels... and even if then there will be several more rebels stacks spawning while the war as the Rebels overtake the Ottomans Province unrest upon occupation and because you are still supporting them.
      5. I only used this "exploit" as you called it because I didn`t want to wait any longer than needed, BUT: You can easily just keep disinheriting your heirs until your ruler dies without an heir and then you have the same Osmanugulu dynasty without any Reform tactics... so not even an "exploit" needed here and definetly no RNG at all
      Conclusion: Every single point that you made was proven to be wrong... And even though it seems that you don`t trust me, I can tell you that I didn`t bird anything Gamechanging in this entire Campaign except when I forgot about something because I don`t have time to do the entire run again just because I missed to extend the regency once or something like that... I hope you understand that but anyways it doesn`t change anything about the fact that it is literally 100% scripted!
      So tell me again: What about this tactic is RNG heavy?
      And honestly I really don`t understand why you tried to somehow make this Run look like the most annoying and hard thing in eu4 ever... and that without even understanding what I did here (which can be seen in your "arguments" above), can`t you just either ask if you think something`s looking weird to you or just enjoy the content instead of trying to make my Run as bad as possible???

  • @Dmitrisnikioff
    @Dmitrisnikioff 3 месяца назад +1

    What about the new Austrian CB that lets you spread dynasty?

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      Still no Claim Throne for non-Christians so you still need to do what I did here... except the dynasty spread is a little easie

    • @Dmitrisnikioff
      @Dmitrisnikioff 3 месяца назад +1

      @@thestudentYT I keep thinking back on the Great Holy War, but that's only for theocracies, right, and you can't get it as Austria?

    • @marcinkusmierzak991
      @marcinkusmierzak991 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Dmitrisnikioff you can use Great Holy War first. Austria at the start should be able to change to theocracy and you can go back to monarchy or form Austria with any other nation

  • @PH_777
    @PH_777 3 месяца назад +2

    kk do a personal union with the pope.

  • @Mirodas90
    @Mirodas90 3 месяца назад +1

    What is the name of the music in the intro?

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      Artillery Aligned - Bonnie Grace

  • @rasplay5761
    @rasplay5761 3 месяца назад +1

    bro where is my comment? dont be jelious)

  • @phileascurtil5605
    @phileascurtil5605 3 месяца назад +1

    With the Austrian that would be broken I think.
    Just too broken...

  • @nikolaitregouet
    @nikolaitregouet 3 месяца назад +1

    I mean it’s “no exploits” but somehow very cheesy… You usually do better) Although very interesting and thoughtful strategy, I have to admit

  • @kaisenii3821
    @kaisenii3821 2 месяца назад +2

    Please use normal maps. This map is too distracting

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for the Request and critizism but honestly I simply hate staring at the Original Map...

  • @Razzku
    @Razzku 3 месяца назад +1

    As a first-time viewer to whom an algorithm suggested this video - Your pace of conveying information is extremely slow. Everything is clear and useful, and I learned a lot, but I couldn't withstand the whole vid without jumping ahead a dozen times. Maybe that's your style, maybe that's how you talk, maybe English isn't your mother tongue and you want to be sure you are understood well, or maybe my whining is totally not important and your regular viewers won't agree with me. I have no clue. But perhaps it's something you can work to improve and bew a bit more engaging.
    Anyway, thanks for teaching me a new interaction 🍻

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +2

      Glad you liked the content and I'll try to work on that in the future

    • @igor8770
      @igor8770 3 месяца назад +1

      Videos are always top tier in terms of content, and always watched at x1.5 speed 😀 (subbed anyway from the first one I've seen)

  • @chengzhou8711
    @chengzhou8711 3 месяца назад +1

    What the heck

  • @norbertlifehackibiggestfan6980
    @norbertlifehackibiggestfan6980 3 месяца назад +1

    kinda useless not gonna lie

    • @thestudentYT
      @thestudentYT  3 месяца назад +1

      And what about PU-ing a 900% Ming? Keepnin mind that the Byz-Ottoman Example was more like a Meme to show an example