Im a bit worried how he's gonna go with Messiah seeing how he deviated so much from the book in Dune. Well deviated a bit and left loads out. Ive heard a theory Chani is gonna start a rebellion against Maud'Dib, as long as we get a Stage 3 Guild Navigator (Edric) a Stoneburner, Korba's death and Mohiam and Stilgar's little meeting, id be happy.
Paul foresaw that Chani would come to understand. A central plot device in Dune Messiah is the plot by Irulan (with the help of the Guild, the BG, and the Bene Tleilax) to keep Chani from getting pregnant. And, it has to continue to be central to the plot, because the sacrifice of getting the children leads to a ton of resolution for Paul, Channi, Irulan, the Fremen, basically everyone. They all have to sacrifice in order to get resolution and redemption. It is a Jesus story in the end, and Paul needs to be blinded and walk into the desert. And, that resolution is not as impactful without it being also about his relationship to Chani. There can be no Fremen revolt against Paul. There certainly can be a revolt against Alia and Paul after he becomes the Preacher (assuming it is really Paul.)
I 100% agree. I am just unsure how the writers are going to go about bringing her back to Paul. But the story has to end with a blinded Paul walking into the desert. Love the thoughts thanks man
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff According to the book, all the Fremen have a low level prescience. Chani can have a vision where she sees that she has to help Paul find redemption through the children, specifically Leto II. And, she can see what will happen if Paul doesn't choose this path. Most of this comes true in Children of Dune, not in Messiah. But, Alia (possessed by the Baron) is the villian in both. In the end, Alia gets redemption, and so does Irulan. And, the reactionary forces plotting against Paul get what they deserve.
Regarding the prescience of the Fremen, I think that would be really cool if that was explored but the movies have seemed to brush over some of the finer points, like Paul being a mentat is hardly mentioned (if at all). I doubt they'll adapt past Messiah for film (maybe in the form of shows instead) so I think they need to wrap up the Arrakis and Paul plot in this next film without setting up too much of what Leto II accomplishes.
I thought the Children of Dune book was pretty wild honestly. There’s the show adaptation from the early 2000s so I don’t know if they’d re-adapt that. I think it would make for a great movie though
Leaving aside all the complications, It would be a better movie if they focus on epic love story with tender but melancholic and tragedies always looming. So people cry for hours after the movie is over. It would be this era's Titanic or Casablanca but better.
@DDR131 that does sound awesome and i think those elements could be included but i think it needs to fit into the overall political-sci-fi epic that the series in built around
I want to disagree with almost everything you suggest! Your version wouldn't be Dune Messiah, even close! Think first about what the story is about! Not single events and honoring great actors at all, it's to make a serious point, Paul's utter descent to dictator to keep Chani alive and that he abandons his children, sister and friends to their fate, and his reluctance and failure to address the Golden Path to save humanity from exctintion! Name your movie something not Dune related!
I pretty just much just took events from the book and formed them together if it were a coherent movie, so not sure what you disagree on in that regard, but you are right that Messiah is about Paul's descent and so on. As for honoring great actors and all, I think it's fair to say that the movies have altered the books a bit and I was trying to propose a way that they writers could realistically adapt this novel, which will not be 1:1. Thank you for your thoughts though.
Denis and the screenwriters have already fucked up part 3, it's not going to resemble the book at all. People who are fans of the book need to be honest with themselves. The reason I say this is because they've made it impossible for Chani to come back and have kids with Paul. Defenders of the movie say "Because they had sex in part 2!" If that's true, then there's going to be no Anya Taylor Joy because the entire movie will have to take place within 9 months, which will mean the Jihad will take place within 9 months, making it the most rushed piece of shit plot line, even worse and rushed than part 2... Unless ofcourse they completely change the way *(((((((((SPOILER ALERT YOU'VE BEEN WARNED IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS)))* Chani d!3s..... but if that happens it removes the entire plot line for Scytale and Bijaz at the end when they try and tempt Paul to create a Ghola Chani! There is absolutely no way this movie can win because it's derailed completely off the tracks since the ending of part 2, ofcourse, people who've never read the books will have a great time and I'm happy for them (ignorance is bliss), but for rest of us I think It'll make us appreciate David Lynch's adaption and Sci-fi miniseries even more, as flawed as those ones are.
I completely agree and that was the point I was trying to get across, not sure how well I did it to be honest. But you're right, the timelines regarding Alia and Paul and Chani's kids wouldn't line up and this would not in fact be a 1:1 adaptation.
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff You did well lol sorry I think spastic people like me are just using whatever related videos they can to vent our frustration. But it was good video. Keep it up man
D.V. changed the blue scarf to being a Fremen in love and then round her arm for her friend Shishakli who was in the ICU burns unit. She would have died but she had a water filled suit that saved her once Feyd left.🫤🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽♂
No children from Chani!
Write your own fictional stories.
Good video, hope to see some more dune videos from you
Im a bit worried how he's gonna go with Messiah seeing how he deviated so much from the book in Dune. Well deviated a bit and left loads out. Ive heard a theory Chani is gonna start a rebellion against Maud'Dib, as long as we get a Stage 3 Guild Navigator (Edric) a Stoneburner, Korba's death and Mohiam and Stilgar's little meeting, id be happy.
Paul foresaw that Chani would come to understand. A central plot device in Dune Messiah is the plot by Irulan (with the help of the Guild, the BG, and the Bene Tleilax) to keep Chani from getting pregnant. And, it has to continue to be central to the plot, because the sacrifice of getting the children leads to a ton of resolution for Paul, Channi, Irulan, the Fremen, basically everyone. They all have to sacrifice in order to get resolution and redemption. It is a Jesus story in the end, and Paul needs to be blinded and walk into the desert. And, that resolution is not as impactful without it being also about his relationship to Chani. There can be no Fremen revolt against Paul. There certainly can be a revolt against Alia and Paul after he becomes the Preacher (assuming it is really Paul.)
I 100% agree. I am just unsure how the writers are going to go about bringing her back to Paul. But the story has to end with a blinded Paul walking into the desert. Love the thoughts thanks man
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff According to the book, all the Fremen have a low level prescience. Chani can have a vision where she sees that she has to help Paul find redemption through the children, specifically Leto II. And, she can see what will happen if Paul doesn't choose this path. Most of this comes true in Children of Dune, not in Messiah. But, Alia (possessed by the Baron) is the villian in both. In the end, Alia gets redemption, and so does Irulan. And, the reactionary forces plotting against Paul get what they deserve.
Regarding the prescience of the Fremen, I think that would be really cool if that was explored but the movies have seemed to brush over some of the finer points, like Paul being a mentat is hardly mentioned (if at all). I doubt they'll adapt past Messiah for film (maybe in the form of shows instead) so I think they need to wrap up the Arrakis and Paul plot in this next film without setting up too much of what Leto II accomplishes.
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff I could see Irulan attempt to recruit Chani to betray Paul. Driving Chani back to Paul.
Paul sees Chani will accept later only in Dune 2, book she never leaves his side as he doesn't unnecessarily humiliate her!
Follow the story beats of the Godfather. End with Alia taking care of unfinished family business.
I wonder how a children of dune would play out
I thought the Children of Dune book was pretty wild honestly. There’s the show adaptation from the early 2000s so I don’t know if they’d re-adapt that. I think it would make for a great movie though
interesting things goin on in the book - idk just make it appealing
Leaving aside all the complications, It would be a better movie if they focus on epic love story with tender but melancholic and tragedies always looming. So people cry for hours after the movie is over. It would be this era's Titanic or Casablanca but better.
@DDR131 that does sound awesome and i think those elements could be included but i think it needs to fit into the overall political-sci-fi epic that the series in built around
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff I think people don't gives a damn about politics in movies. It should be included but the main theme should be the relationship.
I want to disagree with almost everything you suggest! Your version wouldn't be Dune Messiah, even close! Think first about what the story is about! Not single events and honoring great actors at all, it's to make a serious point, Paul's utter descent to dictator to keep Chani alive and that he abandons his children, sister and friends to their fate, and his reluctance and failure to address the Golden Path to save humanity from exctintion! Name your movie something not Dune related!
I pretty just much just took events from the book and formed them together if it were a coherent movie, so not sure what you disagree on in that regard, but you are right that Messiah is about Paul's descent and so on. As for honoring great actors and all, I think it's fair to say that the movies have altered the books a bit and I was trying to propose a way that they writers could realistically adapt this novel, which will not be 1:1. Thank you for your thoughts though.
Denis and the screenwriters have already fucked up part 3, it's not going to resemble the book at all. People who are fans of the book need to be honest with themselves.
The reason I say this is because they've made it impossible for Chani to come back and have kids with Paul. Defenders of the movie say "Because they had sex in part 2!" If that's true, then there's going to be no Anya Taylor Joy because the entire movie will have to take place within 9 months, which will mean the Jihad will take place within 9 months, making it the most rushed piece of shit plot line, even worse and rushed than part 2...
Unless ofcourse they completely change the way *(((((((((SPOILER ALERT YOU'VE BEEN WARNED IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS)))* Chani d!3s..... but if that happens it removes the entire plot line for Scytale and Bijaz at the end when they try and tempt Paul to create a Ghola Chani! There is absolutely no way this movie can win because it's derailed completely off the tracks since the ending of part 2, ofcourse, people who've never read the books will have a great time and I'm happy for them (ignorance is bliss), but for rest of us I think It'll make us appreciate David Lynch's adaption and Sci-fi miniseries even more, as flawed as those ones are.
I completely agree and that was the point I was trying to get across, not sure how well I did it to be honest. But you're right, the timelines regarding Alia and Paul and Chani's kids wouldn't line up and this would not in fact be a 1:1 adaptation.
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff You did well lol sorry I think spastic people like me are just using whatever related videos they can to vent our frustration. But it was good video. Keep it up man
D.V. changed the blue scarf to being a Fremen in love and then round her arm for her friend Shishakli who was in the ICU burns unit. She would have died but she had a water filled suit that saved her once Feyd left.🫤🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽♂