That’s an excellent tactic for ISTPs to make use of. That being said, people do have a nasty habit of saying yes to hearing honest opinions… then totally regretting that ~ Nathan
Yes! When asked for my opinion, I ALWAYS ask "Is there a right answer to this? If so, what is it?" and I will say that thing, to avoid drama. If there's no right answer, then I'll give my actual opinion, but never in a cruel manner, which is unnecessary.
Thanks for explaining that Fe is an objective feeling function cause I feel like nobody, particularly Fi users, gets it. When an Fe user tells you about how you should act, what you should say, it's not based on how they personally feel, it's based on how people generally feel about something. It's never about an Fe user's personal opinion. They know what is appropriate to do in social situations, not based on their personal tastes. It's just like the emotional version of the Te function. That's why Fe users love people in general. They don't need others to relate to their personal tastes and nich interests to appreciate others and they appreciate them for their differences and for what they bring to the table. Fe users enjoy what others enjoy and are happy for them. It's important to understand that Fe and Fi people simply don't feel the same way.
Those of us with Fi can sometimes perceive what you described as pressure to conform - often there is a line that's crossed that (we may feel) disrespects our individuality. But within reason, that Fe voice is helpful to keep us in the range of normalcy.
It makes sense they see it that way because in a way it is a pressure if they disagree with it which is this range of normalcy. But it's a necessary pressure. It is collectivelly acknowledged by most. If you don't conform to it, that means you don't conform to the common ground most people agree on. It's excluding yourself from the majority, what is conventional. It's important to know. It is what people will conventionally feel right. You can treat it the same way as Te which is conventional logic. Fe is like conventional way to feel and behave. To an Fi user they refer to what they personally feel, but an Fe user refers to what most people feel. That's why it's just off when Fi users accuse Fe users of imposing their own opinion and standards because that's not their own. Fi users will assume that because that's their way of feeling, not Fe users' way of feeling. Usually Fi people themselves cross a line by imposing their individuality onto others who can no longer feel respected and no longer exist for themselves. And this can be perceived as a want for domination from Fe users. The point of Fe is just making sure that everyone can feel respected and can express their own individuality, but of course sometimes it means having to restraign some Fi users' individuality when they take too much space. But if you're the one this time another Fi user imposes their own individuality too much on like you yourself did before, Fe users will defend you the same way by restraining their individuality. It's just making sure nobody takes too much space to exist so others can exist too like you want to cause we're not alone.
@@kyurei4478 As a dominant Fi user, I will never conform to that Fe conformity and pressure if I do not see it is right. The group or the mob can often be very wrong. Nazi Germany comes to mind as an extreme, but truthful example.
@IamZeZetheX Well, too bad for you. Don't be surprised if you happen to be rejcted then cause others won't ever conform to your outcast opinion if it's only your own. Often wrong to you, not to most who think the same of you and from different angles. As if most people were more usually wrong than one isolated person. Talk about not considering other points of view...Individual doesn't equal to righteous, actually it rarely does. No matter the group can be wrong, the group is what matters in the end, not your character. If you disagree, try to acknowledge it first and make it change their POV, not to impose your view like a road roller cause you'll always lose. School shooters also come to mind as an extreme and infinitely more common truthful example. And Nazi Germany was formed around one very influencial major figure precisely.
@@kyurei4478 I am an INFP - we are definitely good at seeing other people's POV and have plenty of empathy for others. While I may on occasion have beliefs that don't jive with the tribe, I am not interested in having others agree with me or bend to my will - that is not Fi. It's a matter of not caving to peer pressure, it's about doing the right thing even when it's not popular - kind of like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, who are Republicans, but will not go with the Republican party in supporting Trump - they are TJ's with Fi - they follow what's morally right - not the group think. People in large numbers can often be wrong. Also, school shooters a more likely high Ti, not high Fi. Don't you know high Fi users are more likely peace loving and non-violent? INFP/ISFP/ENFP/ISFP. School shooters would be more likely to be TPs IMO. The last thing I want to mention is you're assuming an Fi user is regularly disagreeing with the group. No, we usually go with the flow and will agree for the sake of social harmony - but not at the expense of doing what we think is wrong. You can assume I'm some outcast, but if you knew me IRL, you would know that is hardly the case. I have plenty of friends, family and colleagues who love and respect me.
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As an ESTJ I love this content. I often don't understand and frankly have a hard time liking a lot of Fe behavior and so it really helps to have it articulated in such a thinker-ish way so that I can be more understanding and patient.
Estj was interesting to me like… once. I like their realism. Glad I actually get Fe tho. And my life is like an order of magnitude more fun. Take care bros ENTP
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INTP and yep, hella honest but unlike most "the truth hurts" or "can i be brutally honest?" people who just use it as an excuse to be cruel, I can be blunt but it shows i respect the person enough to think they can handle the truth if they asked for it. It should be an act of openess and self growth to ask something if an answer might hurt, and it is a gesture of pragmatic good faith if seldom a gentle one, to give that answer - only true information or advice is actionable and helpful, anyway.
You see yourself in the best light because you are in your head. Everyone else thoughts are unknown to you, so they seem harsh. It's nots nothing to be ashamed of its normal everyone does it, everyone is the hero of their own story@@satyasyasatyasya5746
May I ask how do you define honesty? Is it the same as logical consistency and therefore correcting someone just to make sure they follow a logical train of thought? Furthermore, have you dived deeper into the definition and differences of these two aspects? Where do you find yourself more?
@@solarisan_ Honesty is speaking the truth, and a truth is either a subjective opinion or assessment like "yes sorry, i think that dress is ugly" or a logical/factual truth like "you are provably wrong about X Y Z, here's why"
Only YOU work for me ;) As an infj, I find I resonate with the EXTP's when in my comfort and around family/friends...yet filtered when with colleagues and clients etc.
Just when I wonder how much new material you have left, you come out with a belter like this. Excellent! Great to dig into the functions like this and I'm looking forward to more. Thanks as always. ♥️🙌🏼⭐️
As Fi dominant I don't believe we're all cut from the same cloth, want the same things or have any right to tell others what they want, should want or need. The imposition of the collective any more than necessary is the true selfishness and danger.
As a Ti dom, I'm guessing that specific phrase was a bit of a trigger for you and you just want to be acknowledged. This is your metaphorical pat on the back from one moral relativist to another :)
I don't have Fi and I agree w you, telling others what to be and what to do is a dystopian nightmare in and of itself, it's an act of slowly killing individuals who don't fit in, when there's nothing wrong w that individual and maybe everything wrong with the group
Thanks, Nathan, understanding the cognitive functions is key. With study one can type themselves and others carefully to corroborate test findings or reject them.
Wow. I'm an INTP married to an ISTP. In my own case, yes, I tend to blurt out things that are clearly true things, really can't be false, and yet I've found others that react as if I'm just an unsocial beast (which probably is true to a certain point of view, since my friends really noticed this when I was in late teens/20s, and yes, it takes decades for us INTPs' Fe to mature, and now collecting social security, I can say that mine HAS matured, and I'm pretty sure my wife's matured at a faster rate than mine, although even at our [decrepit?] age, her unfiltered thoughts really can hurt if you're the object of that discussion....), although usually I was trying to make it oblivious just to make it humorous. Which probably means that the reactors didn't see or get the humor I was trying to get across. Ah! The life of an introvert that speaks so little that they get misunderstood. And now, with my Fe matured, I just let that freak flag fly whenever it happens. 😛 You brought up music. I'm pretty good at music, but it's not the Fe that's at work, it's the Ti, because I like and enjoy math, and found understanding music because of the math that it encapsulates.
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I’m lucky enough to have a good balance between Ti and Fe. Even though I’m an ENFP, my 4 NTP immediate family members taught me how to overuse Ti and repress my Fe filter in the name of being right. I was blunt and relentless most of my life, though the homeschooling didn’t help me develop a filter. Finally I started studying psychology 8 years ago and learned how to read social cues. My favorite are videos focusing more on the functions and less on the stereotypes :). Well made.
Such an informative video that helped me understand my esfj mom, isfj/infj dad, estp brother, entp brother, and myself (intp)! Thank you Nathan, you’re accurate as always.
Why is there an intrinsic perception that the truth is bad, or negative to hear. That's always been something very interesting for me as and Fi-Te user to observe when it comes to descriptions of Ti. I don't mind hearing the truth. In fact, I prefer it over Fe facades. ENFP here.
As a Ti user, the best answer I've got is biases. Sometimes people will just not hear things or have a strong reaction too quickly if words are put in the wrong way. Flat earthers wouldn't exist if "you're being stupid" was enough to make them see what they're missing, as an example.
@@kenthartig7065 I see. I can also see how the deliberation of what is considered "true" between two or more people can lead to conflict. Thus why it can be perceived as negative, or a source of disharmony. I guess in those circumstances Fe is quite important as it can create etiquette as to how that deliberation can (and should) be conducted. Otherwise its conflict galore. However, the truth is the truth. It might suck to hear, but at the end of the day, you can't deny that. I'd say my issue is fundamentally with the concept of "truth", and the different factors that come into way when considering what is, and can be true.
As an Fe user to bring a bit of balance here, as the first reply said, people sometimes will not hear things or will have a strong reaction if you don't use the right words. It's not the idea that truth is intrinsicly perceived as bad but rather more that the way truth is conveyed matters because it could hurt feelings and be inconsiderate of someone's feelings otherwise. As sentient beings we're not robots so we have intentions for saying something, even truth. Why do we say the truth in the first place matters. In order to make these intentions clear, we have to use the right words and formulation. If you say the truth to help someone you're not going to say it the same way as you would say the truth to make someone feel miserable. If you do, both will be impossible to differenciate. When you say true things but that have negative implications without clearly communicating why, you let others interpret your intentions and since it implies negative things, people are going to emotionally react negatively to you and feel attacked by you. Having no filter when saying the truth will make you an arshole because by doing so you're being disrespectful towards them. Also it can just be that you're assuming negative wrong things. Having a filter means being considerate. So no, Fe isn't a "facade" it's just how they actually feel and being considerate of someone else by conveying how you feel about them, even if you say a truth. If someone speaks without filter to you and touches on a particularly personal topic for you I can guarantee you you'll react more emotionally and would be grateful for them to have a filter. And I prefer it over Fi egoism.
I believe every type uses all 8 cognitive functions through the lens of their type. As an ENFP I do use Ti to seek the truth of the world through my own type. I merely go about it in a different way and I have different innate priorities.
As an ESTP female with INTP and INFJ romantic interests, this was incredibly interesting. I could pinpoint specific times when they did the whole Fe-Ti or Ti-Fe thing that I found a bit offensive but in a way it can be explained by their type. I usually don't comment on the internet but I thought it might be interesting for everyone: INTP: He explained to me that I wasn't actually a doctor despite my 6+ years in veterinary school. This is because my degree is a bachelor, and not a doctorate/ DVM. (idk I could go on, but I think you get the gist. That's not the point tho xd) I found this all quite offensive and had to argue through his Ti brain, that just spat out the Ti-Fe axis in a very INTP way. And this was on a date!? INFJ: He explained to me that my pronunciation was off. He said that it's important because although he doesn't believe pronunciation is an indicator of intelligence, other people might think I'm less intelligent and the things I said could end up holding less weight. This was for my own good of course 0.0.....To me, this was a plain example of Fe-Ti thinking. Either way, as a ESTP female, I now have a newfound understanding of what it's like to be other the other side of Ti-Fe or Fe-Ti when it's brutally honest. It's not great on the other side hahaha
Fe: the objective understanding of another perspective without including yourself... Me an INTP, understanding the rest of the types, with as little socialization as possible, so I know how to deal with them. 😂😂😂
As an INFP, I don't get along well with these people. It might have to do with that "filter" from the Fe function when they alleviate pleasing tendencies. Though I admire those who use Ti function more since I get lost track of what's real sometimes and they help me navigate the real and objective world better.
I wholeheartedly agree as someone who is probably an ENTP and as someone who is starting to get Fe a lot more developed to function better in the social realm. I'm still unfiltered snd sometimes even brutally honest but I can somehow like you said come up with a disarming compliment to avoid to much conflict when my Ti truth bombs come out. It's honestly kind of a superpower to have this relatively balanced relationship between Ti and Fe for me.
"You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!" 🙄 I have a habit of asking people's full permission before answering their questions. They think the truth should be a simple "yes" or a "no," or something equally inoffensive. The truth, however, usually means dissecting the question asked and determining what the ACTUAL question they WANT answered is. My ex-boss: "I need a list of all the apartment and housing complexes within 15 miles of Kenosha, Wisconsin." 😐 Me: "Ummm... Let me see what I can come up with. Gimme ten minutes to figure something out..." 🤔 My ex-boss, five minutes later: "Yeah, I need to mail a package to my daughter, but I can't remember her address." 😐 Me: "I HAVE her address. You had me mail a package to her just last week. Why the @#$% didn't you LEAD with that...?!?" 😖 -- INTP
Ti-Fe is the universal judging axis, Fi-Te is the particular one. And also Si-Ne is the universal perceiving axis, while Ni-Se is the particular axis. NTPs and SFJs are double universal. NTJs and SFPs are double particular.
I'm an INTP in a complicated dynamic with an ENFP, one in which I keep thinking I grok him more than he groks me...which makes sense, given that I use his dominant function and he doesn't use mine. 😒
I’m a Ti heavy entp. Talk to my Ti pls thx. Im facile with Fe, but that how to win frens book of man I prob tried once for each decade of my life and sorry was a yawn fest…
@@kenthartig7065 yea I use voice dictation to type and it makes mistakes sometimes. I meant that how to make friends book is terrible. I tried many times but couldn’t get through ait. Ti is the cognitive function. Hope it’s more clear
Feeling crap about a too blunt approach, circling back later when I've realised with a "first aid kit" hit lol. Thanks for adding more information to my understanding of functions LW, good shit as per normal.
4:28 I'm going to have to strongly object to this. Just because one can understand another perspective without including yourself doesn't make it objective. In fact, it's still subjective. Instead of YOUR subjective views, you're able to see the world through someone's else's equally subjective view. Taking oneself out of the picture doesn't make it objective. To do that, you'd have to take everyone else out of the picture as well. Only then can you find objective truths.
I get your reasoning. But, going by it, it means that one only get an objective view when you eliminate both yours AND others' biases. What remains though? A tree falling that no one can hear? Personally I think that tree is irrelevant if we can't perceive it. Might as well don't exist if it doesn't pertain to us. The point is, your reasoning is reasonable if you're trying to say that there's simply no objectivity. Otherwise, the best (but inherently flawed) objectivity we have is a perception of the outside world, removing* ourselves from the equation. As he said.
@@metametodoOh, to be clear, I don't think humans are capable of completely objective thought. We're always going to let our own biases cloud our thinking. That said, we can get closer and closer to an objective idea by removing as much of our biases as possible. In this case, I think maker of the video is simply replacing one subjective thing with another equally subjective thing. That doesn't make it objective (nor even moving towards objective). It just makes it a slightly different subjective. That is my objection.
@@SlimThrull Understandable, I agree in some ways. I see use in observing how useful and different it can be if one is able to enact some cognitive empathy and conceive what someone else is thinking, feeling, and why. All while avoiding involvement of your own biases. It's relevant to distinguish when you're doing or not doing this. Whether it can be called something objective, I don't care that much, it doesn't seem to impact the result that much, but I think your reasoning is very well put, either way.
@SlimThrull while I understand somewhat what you mean, this idea of objective is itself subjectively made and tunes out of relation with how words are used and how we happen. It pushes to impersonalize as if that is the priority/base of persisting. Perhaps it's due to us knowing we as a "who" are not eternal and have an origin in relation to the world being considered a "what". Already it's mythologically loaded and feels smarter from causes and towards ends I can only track and speculate and use as a functional fiction at worst. I'm curious as to how you came to this idea? Not to say it'll be substantiated or not, but I want a storage of how people understand their (mis)understanding and (mis)communication.
Personally, i've noticed that the functions act very differently depending on which position they are (and thus, how they interact with the other functions around). My best example would be, as an INFP, i notice that my Si is much more detail-oriented than the Si of an ISxJ. Like, i often notice details that an ISxJ seems to not care about noticing. This might be because i'm very observant in general, but it definitely feels like maybe Ne being interested in looking around, and then Si noticing the details, while for an ISxJ, their Si might only be pointed towards something they care about. An IT-guy might notice a slight difference between two similar computers, but might not notice, idk, a change in the interior design of the office. Similarly, the 4th function is known to have it's own role, being typically something a person dislikes focussing on, and even between 1st and 2nd function, there's a pretty huge gap. Taking again an INFP, and comparing them to an ENFP this time, there are some very clear differences how the Fi is used, as for an INFP, it's the deepest core of themselves, while for an ENFP, it's much less "dogmatic" and just something they use to fuel their Ne-exploratory tendencies. For example a massive difference between the two xNFPs is, that INFPs want to have a deep and profound relationship, that they would never want to hurt, and pretty much are disgusted of one-night-stands and alike, while ENFPs are, honestly, the polar opposite, bein imho one of the most interested types in basically just having fun and very likely to engage in short term relationships and alike. Obviously, this might be tied to their Si being simply the 4th function, but at least the way i observe myself, i'd contribute my type's ambitions much rather to dominant Fi than 3rd Si, and it feels like ENFPs don't want their Fi to slow down their Ne activities, and thus their Fi is shaped in a fitting way, while for us INFP's it's Ne going out of the way and being shaped by our Fi.
True. I mean just compare an Fe user and an ExTP. You would never guess they have Fe at first glance because Fe people are usually seen as very compassionate and emotional, yet they have it in third position.
Disagree, Ti does not necessarily value truth that is what Te does. Ti cares about consistency and principles while Te cares about accuracy and metrics. Ti will take a system, stick to it and hesitantly take in new information or even glance over it as either incorrect or as anomalies since keeping the consistency of the system/framework is valued over accuracy. Te will bend logic for the sake of truth, it does not value consistency over factual evidence. It is this stupid mbti misconception that makes everything harder for no reason since the system itself is too vague. Socionics does a better job on everything but particularly in describing how the same functions in types that share them in their top 4 stack differ. I have given you the light, please see it.
If you don't wanna see mbti content, don't watch the mbti channel lmao. Otherwise, if you do wanna talk about the weeds of Ti, why make it a discussion about the system at large? I'm going to need you to pick a lane on this one. It's kinda hard to talk about both.
@@kenthartig7065 Socionics and mbti derive from the same work however Katherine Briggs and her daughter were sloppy at understanding Jung and going in to detail on the 16 types. Socionics describes the same things but 10x more nuanced leaving little to no reason to keep using mbti. It is such an evasive answer too wdym dont watch if you dont like it, no I prefer to help people move to a better system. Mbti has almost no purpose when we have socionics. The problem with mbti is that it is so damm established and wide spread. It is time we switch to socionics or does anyone have any good reason to why mbti should keep being used? Genuinly curious, most things that mbti does socionics does too and they have the same origins. It is like people keep using longswords when we have m16 assault rifles.
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As an ISTP I always ask people if they want to hear what I think or if they want to hear something pleasant for clarification
That’s an excellent tactic for ISTPs to make use of. That being said, people do have a nasty habit of saying yes to hearing honest opinions… then totally regretting that ~ Nathan
Yes! When asked for my opinion, I ALWAYS ask "Is there a right answer to this? If so, what is it?" and I will say that thing, to avoid drama. If there's no right answer, then I'll give my actual opinion, but never in a cruel manner, which is unnecessary.
as an intp I can absolutely confirm that I've acquired a filter over time, out of necessity
And stay quiet
i whole-heartedly agree with your statement. It's like a switch suddenly went on and somehow, I am able to keep myself at bay.
3:45 - "Social first aid kit"
That put a smile on my face.
Thanks for explaining that Fe is an objective feeling function cause I feel like nobody, particularly Fi users, gets it. When an Fe user tells you about how you should act, what you should say, it's not based on how they personally feel, it's based on how people generally feel about something. It's never about an Fe user's personal opinion. They know what is appropriate to do in social situations, not based on their personal tastes. It's just like the emotional version of the Te function. That's why Fe users love people in general. They don't need others to relate to their personal tastes and nich interests to appreciate others and they appreciate them for their differences and for what they bring to the table. Fe users enjoy what others enjoy and are happy for them. It's important to understand that Fe and Fi people simply don't feel the same way.
Those of us with Fi can sometimes perceive what you described as pressure to conform - often there is a line that's crossed that (we may feel) disrespects our individuality. But within reason, that Fe voice is helpful to keep us in the range of normalcy.
It makes sense they see it that way because in a way it is a pressure if they disagree with it which is this range of normalcy. But it's a necessary pressure. It is collectivelly acknowledged by most. If you don't conform to it, that means you don't conform to the common ground most people agree on. It's excluding yourself from the majority, what is conventional. It's important to know. It is what people will conventionally feel right. You can treat it the same way as Te which is conventional logic. Fe is like conventional way to feel and behave.
To an Fi user they refer to what they personally feel, but an Fe user refers to what most people feel. That's why it's just off when Fi users accuse Fe users of imposing their own opinion and standards because that's not their own. Fi users will assume that because that's their way of feeling, not Fe users' way of feeling.
Usually Fi people themselves cross a line by imposing their individuality onto others who can no longer feel respected and no longer exist for themselves. And this can be perceived as a want for domination from Fe users. The point of Fe is just making sure that everyone can feel respected and can express their own individuality, but of course sometimes it means having to restraign some Fi users' individuality when they take too much space. But if you're the one this time another Fi user imposes their own individuality too much on like you yourself did before, Fe users will defend you the same way by restraining their individuality. It's just making sure nobody takes too much space to exist so others can exist too like you want to cause we're not alone.
@@kyurei4478 As a dominant Fi user, I will never conform to that Fe conformity and pressure if I do not see it is right. The group or the mob can often be very wrong. Nazi Germany comes to mind as an extreme, but truthful example.
@IamZeZetheX Well, too bad for you. Don't be surprised if you happen to be rejcted then cause others won't ever conform to your outcast opinion if it's only your own. Often wrong to you, not to most who think the same of you and from different angles. As if most people were more usually wrong than one isolated person. Talk about not considering other points of view...Individual doesn't equal to righteous, actually it rarely does. No matter the group can be wrong, the group is what matters in the end, not your character. If you disagree, try to acknowledge it first and make it change their POV, not to impose your view like a road roller cause you'll always lose. School shooters also come to mind as an extreme and infinitely more common truthful example. And Nazi Germany was formed around one very influencial major figure precisely.
@@kyurei4478 I am an INFP - we are definitely good at seeing other people's POV and have plenty of empathy for others. While I may on occasion have beliefs that don't jive with the tribe, I am not interested in having others agree with me or bend to my will - that is not Fi. It's a matter of not caving to peer pressure, it's about doing the right thing even when it's not popular - kind of like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, who are Republicans, but will not go with the Republican party in supporting Trump - they are TJ's with Fi - they follow what's morally right - not the group think. People in large numbers can often be wrong. Also, school shooters a more likely high Ti, not high Fi. Don't you know high Fi users are more likely peace loving and non-violent? INFP/ISFP/ENFP/ISFP. School shooters would be more likely to be TPs IMO. The last thing I want to mention is you're assuming an Fi user is regularly disagreeing with the group. No, we usually go with the flow and will agree for the sake of social harmony - but not at the expense of doing what we think is wrong. You can assume I'm some outcast, but if you knew me IRL, you would know that is hardly the case. I have plenty of friends, family and colleagues who love and respect me.
0:33 fe & ti
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As an ESTJ I love this content. I often don't understand and frankly have a hard time liking a lot of Fe behavior and so it really helps to have it articulated in such a thinker-ish way so that I can be more understanding and patient.
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its awesome that estj's want to learn more about not only MBTI but Fe users. as an infj Te group think can be a situation for my mind 😂
Estj was interesting to me like… once. I like their realism. Glad I actually get Fe tho. And my life is like an order of magnitude more fun. Take care bros
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Kudos to you for trying to improve yourself. Lots of estjs go through life ignoring Fe and it's awkward to watch.
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INTP and yep, hella honest but unlike most "the truth hurts" or "can i be brutally honest?" people who just use it as an excuse to be cruel, I can be blunt but it shows i respect the person enough to think they can handle the truth if they asked for it.
It should be an act of openess and self growth to ask something if an answer might hurt, and it is a gesture of pragmatic good faith if seldom a gentle one, to give that answer - only true information or advice is actionable and helpful, anyway.
"wen i do it - it's based, wen you do it - it's cruel." How convenient.
@@vulkanofnocturne tell me you didn't understand my comment without telling me you didn't understand my comment.
You see yourself in the best light because you are in your head. Everyone else thoughts are unknown to you, so they seem harsh.
It's nots nothing to be ashamed of its normal everyone does it, everyone is the hero of their own story@@satyasyasatyasya5746
May I ask how do you define honesty? Is it the same as logical consistency and therefore correcting someone just to make sure they follow a logical train of thought? Furthermore, have you dived deeper into the definition and differences of these two aspects? Where do you find yourself more?
@@solarisan_ Honesty is speaking the truth, and a truth is either a subjective opinion or assessment like "yes sorry, i think that dress is ugly" or a logical/factual truth like "you are provably wrong about X Y Z, here's why"
Only YOU work for me ;)
As an infj, I find I resonate with the EXTP's when in my comfort and around family/friends...yet filtered when with colleagues and clients etc.
entps “bring in those corrective filters quite quickly when they’ve overstepped”😌
Just when I wonder how much new material you have left, you come out with a belter like this. Excellent! Great to dig into the functions like this and I'm looking forward to more. Thanks as always. ♥️🙌🏼⭐️
As Fi dominant I don't believe we're all cut from the same cloth, want the same things or have any right to tell others what they want, should want or need. The imposition of the collective any more than necessary is the true selfishness and danger.
As a Ti dom, I'm guessing that specific phrase was a bit of a trigger for you and you just want to be acknowledged. This is your metaphorical pat on the back from one moral relativist to another :)
I don't have Fi and I agree w you, telling others what to be and what to do is a dystopian nightmare in and of itself, it's an act of slowly killing individuals who don't fit in, when there's nothing wrong w that individual and maybe everything wrong with the group
How is that "selfish" when there's no self in the equation? Doing something for the good of the "people" is selfish? That logic is selfish.
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My Ti concurs with this assessment.
As an ISTP, this is pure facts.
Thanks, Nathan, understanding the cognitive functions is key.
With study one can type themselves and others carefully to corroborate test findings or reject them.
The way you explain things works best for me
Wow. I'm an INTP married to an ISTP. In my own case, yes, I tend to blurt out things that are clearly true things, really can't be false, and yet I've found others that react as if I'm just an unsocial beast (which probably is true to a certain point of view, since my friends really noticed this when I was in late teens/20s, and yes, it takes decades for us INTPs' Fe to mature, and now collecting social security, I can say that mine HAS matured, and I'm pretty sure my wife's matured at a faster rate than mine, although even at our [decrepit?] age, her unfiltered thoughts really can hurt if you're the object of that discussion....), although usually I was trying to make it oblivious just to make it humorous. Which probably means that the reactors didn't see or get the humor I was trying to get across. Ah! The life of an introvert that speaks so little that they get misunderstood. And now, with my Fe matured, I just let that freak flag fly whenever it happens. 😛 You brought up music. I'm pretty good at music, but it's not the Fe that's at work, it's the Ti, because I like and enjoy math, and found understanding music because of the math that it encapsulates.
00:02 Understanding function axes and types is crucial for better relationships.
00:51 Fe manual emphasizes positive influences.
01:36 Different cognitive function axes impact social style
02:25 INFPs and INFJs are socially cautious but direct with disagreements
03:14 Types with unfiltered nature switch between brutal honesty and social harmony.
04:05 TI seeks personal understanding while Fe is objective in assessing external data.
05:00 TI users have individualistic frameworks but aim for universal understanding.
05:51 Fe focuses on how people feel, Ti focuses on how people think and adapt in social interactions.
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As an intp it puts a smile on my face to understand non-useless information
As an Fi/Te user I found this fascinating. I hope you'll make one for Te & Fi as well!
I’m lucky enough to have a good balance between Ti and Fe. Even though I’m an ENFP, my 4 NTP immediate family members taught me how to overuse Ti and repress my Fe filter in the name of being right. I was blunt and relentless most of my life, though the homeschooling didn’t help me develop a filter. Finally I started studying psychology 8 years ago and learned how to read social cues.
My favorite are videos focusing more on the functions and less on the stereotypes :). Well made.
Isn't ENFP an Fi user?
Such an informative video that helped me understand my esfj mom, isfj/infj dad, estp brother, entp brother, and myself (intp)! Thank you Nathan, you’re accurate as always.
It's funny that introverted judging functions are subjective while the extroverted counterparts are objective
Why is there an intrinsic perception that the truth is bad, or negative to hear. That's always been something very interesting for me as and Fi-Te user to observe when it comes to descriptions of Ti. I don't mind hearing the truth. In fact, I prefer it over Fe facades. ENFP here.
As a Ti user, the best answer I've got is biases. Sometimes people will just not hear things or have a strong reaction too quickly if words are put in the wrong way. Flat earthers wouldn't exist if "you're being stupid" was enough to make them see what they're missing, as an example.
@@kenthartig7065 I see. I can also see how the deliberation of what is considered "true" between two or more people can lead to conflict. Thus why it can be perceived as negative, or a source of disharmony. I guess in those circumstances Fe is quite important as it can create etiquette as to how that deliberation can (and should) be conducted. Otherwise its conflict galore.
However, the truth is the truth. It might suck to hear, but at the end of the day, you can't deny that. I'd say my issue is fundamentally with the concept of "truth", and the different factors that come into way when considering what is, and can be true.
As an Fe user to bring a bit of balance here, as the first reply said, people sometimes will not hear things or will have a strong reaction if you don't use the right words. It's not the idea that truth is intrinsicly perceived as bad but rather more that the way truth is conveyed matters because it could hurt feelings and be inconsiderate of someone's feelings otherwise. As sentient beings we're not robots so we have intentions for saying something, even truth. Why do we say the truth in the first place matters. In order to make these intentions clear, we have to use the right words and formulation. If you say the truth to help someone you're not going to say it the same way as you would say the truth to make someone feel miserable. If you do, both will be impossible to differenciate. When you say true things but that have negative implications without clearly communicating why, you let others interpret your intentions and since it implies negative things, people are going to emotionally react negatively to you and feel attacked by you. Having no filter when saying the truth will make you an arshole because by doing so you're being disrespectful towards them. Also it can just be that you're assuming negative wrong things. Having a filter means being considerate. So no, Fe isn't a "facade" it's just how they actually feel and being considerate of someone else by conveying how you feel about them, even if you say a truth. If someone speaks without filter to you and touches on a particularly personal topic for you I can guarantee you you'll react more emotionally and would be grateful for them to have a filter. And I prefer it over Fi egoism.
I believe every type uses all 8 cognitive functions through the lens of their type. As an ENFP I do use Ti to seek the truth of the world through my own type. I merely go about it in a different way and I have different innate priorities.
Oh wow, it was super insightful! Would be an enormous help to hear about the other axes as well
I couldn’t agree more!😊
I have my superhero/villain name:
_The Silent Sphincter_
- an INTP
Bro this is perfect 😂
As an ESTP female with INTP and INFJ romantic interests, this was incredibly interesting. I could pinpoint specific times when they did the whole Fe-Ti or Ti-Fe thing that I found a bit offensive but in a way it can be explained by their type.
I usually don't comment on the internet but I thought it might be interesting for everyone:
INTP: He explained to me that I wasn't actually a doctor despite my 6+ years in veterinary school. This is because my degree is a bachelor, and not a doctorate/ DVM. (idk I could go on, but I think you get the gist. That's not the point tho xd) I found this all quite offensive and had to argue through his Ti brain, that just spat out the Ti-Fe axis in a very INTP way. And this was on a date!?
INFJ: He explained to me that my pronunciation was off. He said that it's important because although he doesn't believe pronunciation is an indicator of intelligence, other people might think I'm less intelligent and the things I said could end up holding less weight. This was for my own good of course 0.0.....To me, this was a plain example of Fe-Ti thinking.
Either way, as a ESTP female, I now have a newfound understanding of what it's like to be other the other side of Ti-Fe or Fe-Ti when it's brutally honest. It's not great on the other side hahaha
Fe: the objective understanding of another perspective without including yourself...
Me an INTP, understanding the rest of the types, with as little socialization as possible, so I know how to deal with them. 😂😂😂
As an INFP, I don't get along well with these people. It might have to do with that "filter" from the Fe function when they alleviate pleasing tendencies.
Though I admire those who use Ti function more since I get lost track of what's real sometimes and they help me navigate the real and objective world better.
I going to send this to my sister and tell her he explains things best 💗
I wholeheartedly agree as someone who is probably an ENTP and as someone who is starting to get Fe a lot more developed to function better in the social realm. I'm still unfiltered snd sometimes even brutally honest but I can somehow like you said come up with a disarming compliment to avoid to much conflict when my Ti truth bombs come out. It's honestly kind of a superpower to have this relatively balanced relationship between Ti and Fe for me.
Totally agreed. When ENTPs integrate their Fe they're unstoppable ~ Nathan
Ikr. You'll see that people will naturally start appreciating you more with this softer approach.
- INFJ
"You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!" 🙄
I have a habit of asking people's full permission before answering their questions. They think the truth should be a simple "yes" or a "no," or something equally inoffensive. The truth, however, usually means dissecting the question asked and determining what the ACTUAL question they WANT answered is.
My ex-boss: "I need a list of all the apartment and housing complexes within 15 miles of Kenosha, Wisconsin." 😐
Me: "Ummm... Let me see what I can come up with. Gimme ten minutes to figure something out..." 🤔
My ex-boss, five minutes later: "Yeah, I need to mail a package to my daughter, but I can't remember her address." 😐
Me: "I HAVE her address. You had me mail a package to her just last week. Why the @#$% didn't you LEAD with that...?!?" 😖
-- INTP
This is spot on and articulated in a way that I can understand. Great video
Ti-Fe is the universal judging axis, Fi-Te is the particular one. And also Si-Ne is the universal perceiving axis, while Ni-Se is the particular axis.
NTPs and SFJs are double universal. NTJs and SFPs are double particular.
Love this perspective othe the axes. I forgot that.
Is there somewhere I can go to get this explained in more depth?
@@kenthartig7065 I really don't remember where exactly i've seen this idea, but there were multiple places saying things along this line.
@@kenthartig7065Michael Pierce's channel and book
I'm an INTP in a complicated dynamic with an ENFP, one in which I keep thinking I grok him more than he groks me...which makes sense, given that I use his dominant function and he doesn't use mine. 😒
The iconic "supervisor relationship." I love them
Same here with different types. I eventually gave up trying to make myself understood.
when he explained the Fe/Ti axis, my mind instantly jumped to an ENFJ I know, and when summarizing the Ti/Fe axis, my mind thought of an ENTP I know.
I think the last line is why high fe users are very good with people the want everyone to be on the same page about their shared feelings
More videos on the cognitive axis pleasee
As always, Beautifully said!
the way i laughed out loud at the end, hits too close 😂
I’m a Ti heavy entp. Talk to my Ti pls thx.
Im facile with Fe, but that how to win frens book of man I prob tried once for each decade of my life and sorry was a yawn fest…
Mind if I ask you to reword that a bit? I'm having trouble making sense of the grammar
@@kenthartig7065 yea I use voice dictation to type and it makes mistakes sometimes. I meant that how to make friends book is terrible. I tried many times but couldn’t get through ait. Ti is the cognitive function. Hope it’s more clear
Feeling crap about a too blunt approach, circling back later when I've realised with a "first aid kit" hit lol. Thanks for adding more information to my understanding of functions LW, good shit as per normal.
4:28 I'm going to have to strongly object to this. Just because one can understand another perspective without including yourself doesn't make it objective. In fact, it's still subjective. Instead of YOUR subjective views, you're able to see the world through someone's else's equally subjective view. Taking oneself out of the picture doesn't make it objective. To do that, you'd have to take everyone else out of the picture as well. Only then can you find objective truths.
I get your reasoning. But, going by it, it means that one only get an objective view when you eliminate both yours AND others' biases. What remains though? A tree falling that no one can hear? Personally I think that tree is irrelevant if we can't perceive it. Might as well don't exist if it doesn't pertain to us.
The point is, your reasoning is reasonable if you're trying to say that there's simply no objectivity. Otherwise, the best (but inherently flawed) objectivity we have is a perception of the outside world, removing* ourselves from the equation. As he said.
@@metametodoOh, to be clear, I don't think humans are capable of completely objective thought. We're always going to let our own biases cloud our thinking.
That said, we can get closer and closer to an objective idea by removing as much of our biases as possible.
In this case, I think maker of the video is simply replacing one subjective thing with another equally subjective thing. That doesn't make it objective (nor even moving towards objective). It just makes it a slightly different subjective.
That is my objection.
@@SlimThrull Understandable, I agree in some ways. I see use in observing how useful and different it can be if one is able to enact some cognitive empathy and conceive what someone else is thinking, feeling, and why. All while avoiding involvement of your own biases. It's relevant to distinguish when you're doing or not doing this. Whether it can be called something objective, I don't care that much, it doesn't seem to impact the result that much, but I think your reasoning is very well put, either way.
@@metametodo I agree. I think it's very useful. It's just not objective. ;)
@SlimThrull while I understand somewhat what you mean, this idea of objective is itself subjectively made and tunes out of relation with how words are used and how we happen. It pushes to impersonalize as if that is the priority/base of persisting. Perhaps it's due to us knowing we as a "who" are not eternal and have an origin in relation to the world being considered a "what". Already it's mythologically loaded and feels smarter from causes and towards ends I can only track and speculate and use as a functional fiction at worst. I'm curious as to how you came to this idea? Not to say it'll be substantiated or not, but I want a storage of how people understand their (mis)understanding and (mis)communication.
This was one of the best videos imo for understanding other people and how this works - could we do Si and Ne?
Personally, i've noticed that the functions act very differently depending on which position they are (and thus, how they interact with the other functions around). My best example would be, as an INFP, i notice that my Si is much more detail-oriented than the Si of an ISxJ. Like, i often notice details that an ISxJ seems to not care about noticing. This might be because i'm very observant in general, but it definitely feels like maybe Ne being interested in looking around, and then Si noticing the details, while for an ISxJ, their Si might only be pointed towards something they care about. An IT-guy might notice a slight difference between two similar computers, but might not notice, idk, a change in the interior design of the office.
Similarly, the 4th function is known to have it's own role, being typically something a person dislikes focussing on, and even between 1st and 2nd function, there's a pretty huge gap. Taking again an INFP, and comparing them to an ENFP this time, there are some very clear differences how the Fi is used, as for an INFP, it's the deepest core of themselves, while for an ENFP, it's much less "dogmatic" and just something they use to fuel their Ne-exploratory tendencies. For example a massive difference between the two xNFPs is, that INFPs want to have a deep and profound relationship, that they would never want to hurt, and pretty much are disgusted of one-night-stands and alike, while ENFPs are, honestly, the polar opposite, bein imho one of the most interested types in basically just having fun and very likely to engage in short term relationships and alike. Obviously, this might be tied to their Si being simply the 4th function, but at least the way i observe myself, i'd contribute my type's ambitions much rather to dominant Fi than 3rd Si, and it feels like ENFPs don't want their Fi to slow down their Ne activities, and thus their Fi is shaped in a fitting way, while for us INFP's it's Ne going out of the way and being shaped by our Fi.
True. I mean just compare an Fe user and an ExTP. You would never guess they have Fe at first glance because Fe people are usually seen as very compassionate and emotional, yet they have it in third position.
Ti is subjective… Yes, of course it is. Very good point. Thank you
But the goal is for it to be not
@@Calvini2013, its good to have strengths but its even better t bring on other functions to support the strengths 👍
Great video ❤
Well done. ❤
Hi Love Who loves your work but could you do a explanation of Se also.
Why you gotta release a video when I'm in the middle of no where with horrible Internet
Very accurate as always
More, please. Thanks
Ill edit this once done watching
Edit: yes
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@@spriggantine hello there spriggatoni
When can we expect the Fi/Te video?
Is Te & Fi the next video?
amazing
INFPs for Free Palestine!!!
Intp too
I’m an ISFJ and I truly admire healthy Ti users that seek the truth and aren’t afraid to say their opinions but deeply care for people’s feelings 🤍
Disagree, Ti does not necessarily value truth that is what Te does. Ti cares about consistency and principles while Te cares about accuracy and metrics. Ti will take a system, stick to it and hesitantly take in new information or even glance over it as either incorrect or as anomalies since keeping the consistency of the system/framework is valued over accuracy. Te will bend logic for the sake of truth, it does not value consistency over factual evidence. It is this stupid mbti misconception that makes everything harder for no reason since the system itself is too vague. Socionics does a better job on everything but particularly in describing how the same functions in types that share them in their top 4 stack differ. I have given you the light, please see it.
If you don't wanna see mbti content, don't watch the mbti channel lmao. Otherwise, if you do wanna talk about the weeds of Ti, why make it a discussion about the system at large? I'm going to need you to pick a lane on this one. It's kinda hard to talk about both.
@@kenthartig7065 Socionics and mbti derive from the same work however Katherine Briggs and her daughter were sloppy at understanding Jung and going in to detail on the 16 types. Socionics describes the same things but 10x more nuanced leaving little to no reason to keep using mbti. It is such an evasive answer too wdym dont watch if you dont like it, no I prefer to help people move to a better system. Mbti has almost no purpose when we have socionics. The problem with mbti is that it is so damm established and wide spread. It is time we switch to socionics or does anyone have any good reason to why mbti should keep being used? Genuinly curious, most things that mbti does socionics does too and they have the same origins. It is like people keep using longswords when we have m16 assault rifles.
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