Super quick, reason bret hart wouldn’t drop the belt to Shawn was because he approached Shawn backstage months before saying “I know we have our differences but I’m professional and will drop the belt to you no problem”, Shawn’s response was “I appreciate that….but if the shoe was on the other foot I wouldn’t do the same for you”. Because of this bret then refused to drop the belt to Shawn.
I saw bret Hart talk about it over a decade ago and he gave the reason you said but also said he said he'd drop it to someone else on the next days show before leaving.
To be fair to Bret Hart, I think you're leaving out the part how Shawn Michaels was public enemy #1 to pretty much everyone in the back at the time and was going after Bret personally both backstage and on live TV. Bret's issues were always more with Shawn than it was with Vince. He was loyal to Vince, so much so that he did want to stay in WWF with significantly less money than what WCW were offering him. He did not want to drop the belt to Shawn in Montreal because Shawn straight up told him that he wouldn't drop the belt to Bret if roles were reversed. What the doc also leaves out is they had an entire month's time before Bret's contract expired to work things out post-Survivor Series 97. Bret contractually had a "creative control" clause in his last 30 days and offered to drop the belt to a bunch of guys in the following month, including to Shawn. Bret was always down to do business in the aftermath, but things boiled over because the screwjob happened. Bret was definitely not faultless in all of that (and personally, I agree that he can be a huge stickler for himself), but it was never as cut and dry as "Vince had to do it" as the commonly believed narrative portrayed it out to be.
it was a work. bret knew the set up, he was put in a sharp shooter.. he couldnt be that gullible. it was all a work, you can even see vince get into position to take the spit. he had a deal with vince to come back from wcw, their champion, make a ton of turner money, and vince offered him a lucrative long lasting deal in WWF after his wcw contract. That all changed when Owen died and Brets brain injury made him lose his mind and become bitter, paranoid and resentful.
@@jasonpage9986hate to say it wasn’t a work. Bret was fine with dropping the belt, even with him leaving for wcw. But the problem he had with it was that he didn’t want to drop the belt in Canada since he was a national hero basically. It is still a bit of an ego mindset from him but you can understand why he thought it was a bad idea dropping the belt in his own country.
@@AdamNM1872 i believe he knew it was coming regardless. i believe they had his film crew assigned to document the screwjob, the fake backstage commotion, that vince needed a big storyline for bret to return back from wcw on, and it was all a work. in fact even referee hebner admitted it was a work before walking it back. scott, kevin and sean even said it had to have been a work, and someone of his elk would have known what was happening. i believe bret had an NDA and couldn't reveal anything. go rewatch the match and aftermath and you'll pick up on things. till this day mankind and taker still lie to the public about hell in a cell being 'accidental'.. the whole thing was a work but they probably signed NDAs.
Bret Hart was completely fucked over by Vince. 1. Bret was signed to a 20 year deal and then Vince decided to go back on his word 2. Shawn was a dick and told him he wouldn’t do the job to Bret if he was in Bret’s shoes. 3. Vince had many opportunities to make Bret drop the belt before leading to Survivor series and chose not to. 4. Since Vince allowed the issue to culminate in a PPV where was backed into a corner, Bret was willing to drop the belt to literally anyone else in Montreal such as Undertaker, Shamrock, Austin etc. Would recommend to watch Wrestling with Shadows and Dark Side of The Ring.
Looks like you still enjoyed the show. So Vince did do something right. He already had the same mind during the push of Hulk Hogan. Hogan leaves. Bret push. Bret leaves. Stone Cold push. And the cycle didnt stop. Bret's main problem was letting Goldberg do a match with him. That injury caused him to retire All celebriry tycoons and business moguls has a grimy stuff hiding in their closets. Happens to all of them. Just so happens the new owner of the WWE don;t want any part of Vince. Vince should have left after he sold it but he cant take his hands out of it. So they publicized whatever people already know about Vince and then some, just to get him out of the picture
Also, Bret had creative control in his contract so he had the right to dispute finishes. It was Vince's fault for putting it in Bret's contract and not expecting him to use it. Just like it was Vince's fault for reneging on the new contract he gave Bret. Also, Vince told Bret to go to WCW. It's not like Bret was pushing to get out the door, he wanted Vince to give him a reason to stay but he wouldn't. It's ridiculous that people still try and spin this narrative that Bret was the bad guy in this situation, when it's clear as day Vince was the snake the whole time.
@@thechunkyone7118yeah some people forget to feed their dog before they go to bed. Some people force women to do sexual things they don’t want to. If you can’t see the difference between those two things generally then I can’t help you, nobody can 😂
Vince now has that face lift type surgery look about him. It's best to just look after your body and forget the surgery - Mick Jagger comes to mind as an old guy who hasn't gone under the knife but spends a lot of time looking after himself (exercise, dance and good eating - it helps to be a multi millionaire)
Kurt Angle was genuinely incredible. The total package. I would actually get so angry when people would chant “You suck” during his entrance 😂😂😂. Meanwhile I’d be stood in front of the tv chanting “You rock”. Ahhhh what I’d give to be a kid again 😅
@@Redesign24 Yeah, the Netflix doc was meant for more general/casual audiences, so we fans weren't going to learn anything we didn't already know. Plus it was a total puff piece imo.
A couple of things about the Owen Hart fall that came out during the Dark Side of the Ring episode. While he was plummeting to his death, he was shouting to the ref to move because he didn't want to take the ref down with him. Jim Ross also had about 5 seconds to prepare himself to announce Owen's passing to the world. It was literally hearing Kevin Dunn in his ear tell him, then he was given a 3 second countdown.
Calling Brett Hart miserable sums up just how clueless Geordie is 🤡🤣 the dude watched his brother die and the company continued on with the show. He also wouldn’t drop to HBK, he had no issue with doing it for anyone else. I’d be pretty “miserable” too if a company fucked my life. What a clown
I love Brett Hart, I really do, but he is miserable. It's terrible what happened to Owen, but that was a tragic accident (although you're right, should have ended the show at that point). Brett was screwed badly, but it's 25 years later and he's STILL banging on about it. Get over it Brett!!!!
Shawn was due to drop the belt to bret earlier that year at wrestlemania but somehow lost his smile . Michaels was a dick. Hart has more integrity than alot of them
Bret did not refuse to drop the belt, he just did not want to lose it in Canada. He had previously signed a 20-year deal with Vince, which Vince changed his mind on. Coming into the last 60 days of his contract, Bret had a clause that granted him creative control over his character. Given the real-life beef between Shawn and Bret, along with the comments made by Shawn on national TV implying that Bret was having an affair with Sonny, Bret did not want to drop the title to Shawn. He was more than happy to drop it to someone like The Undertaker, for example, but not to Shawn, who was somewhat of a twat both in and out of the ring at the time.
Even as a kid I found it troubling that wrestlers would have a match on a Sunday PPV event, taking chair shots, high flying antics through tables, bleeding heavily etc, then be on raw the very next night in the ring again. Something almost inhuman about not letting the talent have some recovery time. No wonder so many wrestlers died young, addicted to painkillers and whatever else. Vince is a ruthless man.. who it turns out is actually so much worse irl than the nasty and over the top "character" he played.
Bret would have HAPPILY dropped the Belt to, quite literally, ANYBODY else but Shawn. That was his issue. He told Vince he didn't want to drop to Shawn in his home country, he would drop it the next night on Raw. Bret needs to let it go in 2024...but the man very much had a right to have an axe to grind
No need to argue with the opinion on bret hart, but, to say he would have been swallowed by Austin and the Rock when he was already the main man for 5 years, gave Austin two epic matches that are arguably Austin's best, and also, in the rocks words, unlike others...(Shawn and hunter) bret actually supported and mentored the rock recognising his undeniable talent. Shawn and hunter were the selfish ones who sabotaged everyone they could, Bret was the main target, the victors write history. P.s, bret negotiated mutual creative control for last 30 days of contract should WWF terminate, its not as though him saying no for first time in 14 years was without genuine reasons.
88-93 we’re always my fav years. I know everyone’s an Attitude era person, but I much preferred the over the top cartoon era. Guys like Macho Man, the Rockers, Mr Perfect, Million Dollar Man, Jake Roberts etc
Your take on Bret Hart is absolutely incorrect, especially regarding the title. He was in a 20 year contract with wwf and had no obligation to leave, Vince asked and he did what was right for the business but had stipulations. Also because Shawn Michael’s said to him he would never drop the title for him ever. So he agreed a plan with wwf only for Vince to screw him.
I disagree to the notion that professional wrestling isn't a legitimate competition for the wrestlers. It absolutely can be - not in the same sense of sport or a fight but its a competition on who connects and generates the most emotion/revenue from its audience. It's a scripted piece of physical fiction, but what makes it unique is that it is one that is also molded by real life occurrences happening in real-time. That's the entire ethos that's birthed the idea of wrestlers politicking promoters like Vince behind the scenes. He may be the one to make the final call, but that doesn't mean that wrestlers can't or haven't leveraged him into making a lot of the decisions good or bad he's made through the years.
@deenhaniyah4707 it is fake in the sense that it's not an actual fight to see who wins and is the better fighter, they already know who's gonna win and who's gonna do what down to the exact second, they know every toss, every suplex, every clothes hanger that's gonna happen, so in that sense it's like a movie, you wouldn't call a movie real, but they definitely are fighting, might not be a just fight but it is a fight.
And to your point of saying that Vince had outside influence I have to say I disagree with that excuse, he's the boss man, he says jump and they ask how high, so that wouldn't be an excuse, Vince is an extremely intelligent man, he can't be influenced by others, he takes what he wants from others.
@@cheahbuddy6146 there's been evidence to say the contrary. Vince has gone on record to say he hated HBK in the 90s just as much as the rest of the boys. He didn't want HBK doing most of the things he was doing on air and backstage. But he let a lot of his bad behavior slide and followed a lot of what HBK wanted to do because he was the top guy and the champion. A recent example was Roman Reigns who told Vince that he wouldn't return to the company during the pandemic unless it was in his creative vision of being a heel. This is something Vince was vehemently against because he tried so desperately to make him this era's top white meat babyface, but ended up granting Roman his wish because he is his current golden boy. In theory, every promoter should be able to put their foot down and be a boss. However historically, every single one have at some point been influenced into doing or not doing things based on what a wrestler or some other outside force has wanted them to do.
How is it a legitimate competition when the outcome is pre determined? They're the equivalent of stunt men. They put their body's on the line but that isn't competition
@@cooperman8850 the competition they're competing in really is just an entertainment competition, who can make the most entertaining characters and bond well with others.
No, he refused to drop the belt at the event that mattered. Do your research. It was the last main PPV, so why would they just so "nah, let's just give you the title on a raw where not as many people will be watching". The boss has final say, and it would have been the right thing for Bret to do on his way out.
The Awkward truth is Vince’s legacy lives on whether people like it or not. Without Vince there’s almost certainly no Rock, no John Cena, no Batista. All these guys are still making multi million dollar films. WWE arguably isn’t making anything like the money it makes today, there could in theory still be territories.
@@MichSciFi10yep. Cena was about to be released but then Steph heard him freestyle rapping on the tour bus. So she managed to work it out that Cena would get the Vanilla Ice/Marky Mark gimmick. The rest is history.
I'm not saying Bret was justified because I don't know enough about it all but I think that it was all meant to go down in Canada, which was what made it seem even worse for him
I respect your opinion on a certain wrestler/character.Bret however was not only a great worker but carried himself like a proud champion and in many people's eyes,looked like an actual hero because he didn't try cheap tricks,he was always outwrestling people thanks to his training at his father's "dungeon" and his experience in the ring but not only that,he was a great storyteller. Telling a story with their movesets,turnarounds,selling their injuries etc.Bret respected that and was more than willing to do business with you if you were respectful of him and the craft. Bret got screwed big time and for those of you who don't know,the Undertaker was pissed as hell and wanted to kick Vince and Shawn's ass for treating a respectable lockeroom leader/champion the way they did at Montreal.If I was Bret I'd be pissed about that too.He was an artist in the ring and is still the Best there is,the Best there was,and the Best there ever will be.
When it comes to inciting wrestlers to do roids and get addicted to pain killers... We dont have to go back to the 90's man, not even 20 or 10 years ago... Just in 2019, Randy Orton asked Vince, not for a time off, not for a break or holiday, not to stop doing Raw/SD weak-in and weak-out... Not even to stop doing the live shows... But ONLY to do like half of the Live shows as his back was starting to hurt him and have real problems. Vince quickly dismissed Randy's request with a :"Ahah i need you on those shows Randy! Crack on" Couple of years later, Randy picked up an injury that almost ended his career. Took him out for 18months. He came back last year and has been looking BIGGER (thanks to Nuttela) and better than ever. Sometimes you just need a proper rest! 💪
Damn you for giving Logan Paul a redemption arc 😂 you need to go back to calling him a POS who only does things to benefit himself. You were right the first time
Who cares who it was against and where? He was a paid actor and given his role. It's his job to do what is asked. The champion title isn't something wrestlers earn, it's handed to them by the promoter until he takes it back and gives it to the next guy
@@mattysmith83 It was definitely earned to a degree. Not in a competitive fight situation, but in terms of years of graft and connecting with the fans etc.
Vince McMahon hasn’t destroyed his legacy. He’s a pioneer of the wrestling industry and a visionary genius. His legacy is the one thing that will always remain intact. There’s more to come for him and all he’s left with in the end is his money but I’m sure he’ll be fine with that.
WOW... I've never really watched wrestling, my channel is about combat sports, I always thought it was just "FAKE" but learning about all of the brain damage, pain killers and deaths gives me a new level of respect for these athletes, GOD DAYMMNN
02-05 was good by i couldnt stand cena so i switched to TNA, who were decent for a few years until that was ruined. i tuned back into WWE when CM punk was getting a huge pop, and when Bret hart returned. since then its been awful, and babyish.. i started watching again in this year, but just following the highlights on RUclips of the Rock/Cody punk/drew. The rest of the show is unwatchable and so poor, so its best to just watch the good bits which they upload.
This piece is up there with some of your best work mate. I've watched so many reviews of this doc and yours is the funniest and the most on the money. I could tell you were a fan at one point. ;😂😂😂😂
Say what you will about Bret Hart, but Kurt Angle said Bret is the best that's ever done it. And the Bret vs Austin fued is only bettered by Austin vs McMahon.
What you said about Brett Hart, thank you. I’ve been saying that for 30 years and no one else would have it or saw through him. Sure he was a good worker in the ring but that was it. He couldn’t sell a promo if it his life depended on it. Austin, Rock even Foley and 3H all would have eaten him alive in promos. Hart leaving for WCW saved him from himself and that ego the size of Calgary. All he ever talks about is Montreal and it’s his own fault, no wrestler leaves a promotion with the main belt or the promotion would be killed stone dead. His ego was bigger than his talent and that’s why Vince had Shawn Michaels go over. Brett was too up his own arse to think any different.
Great video you obviously know your stuff but yeah I do think you were harsh on Bret. He definitely wasnt charasmatic like Shawn or the Rock but when doing the Canadian hero role near the end he was perfect
Steve is still one of the top merch sellers in WWE. He's still on a giant contract hell never say anything negative about the WWE or the business in general.
You need to get your facts right, if you are going to attempt a deep dive here. 3 things: 1) It was Shawn Michaels who started the attitude era. 2) Stone cold was not a star overnight. He admits it was the Rub from Bret Hart that elevated him after the WM13 match, which Bret Hart mapped out. 3) You need to watch more videos on the Montreal screw job to know why Bret didn’t want to lose to Shawn Michaels. Bret would have dropped it to anyone else. Even when Bret considered dropping the belt to Shawn, Shawn told Bret that he would not be willing to do the same for him. Vince never made Bret. He gave Bret an opportunity, and Bret was Mr reliable. He bit, kicked, clawed, scratched his way to the top and earned his place in the company. I felt that it was important to clarify that for everyone. Bret Hart will probably go down as the best technical wrestler of all time and he was carrying the company on his back when business was down. Saying that he is lucky to have any legacy is rubbish and embarrassing. Many wrestlers talk about Bret as the best, including Kurt Angle. No one could tell a story in the ring like Bret Hart could.
Bit disappointed that you didn’t do this for the Robbie Williams one a year or two ago. I personally felt like that one was a huge puff piece and not very good. Would be interested too hear your thoughts on this 👍
Just a quick one on Brett. He had contractually creative control on his character for the last 30 days of his contract. Vince gave him that when Brett agreed to leave the WWF which he didn’t want to do. Plus all the Shaun stuff so it’s not so black and white
Steve austin DID NIT DISMISS IT listen to the sentence before he said he dont believe in it. He explained that if you worked in the ring the right away and protect eachother then CTE shouldnt affect them. He didnt literally mean he dont believe in it he just means he dont believe its something that should happen to them just by wrestling. There is a right way and dangerous way of doing it. Thats what i got from it. Jesus
I didn't grow up watching Bret during his time, I was not even born at the time, but in my 15 years of being a wrestling fan. I have learned that you don't insult the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be like that. You can not like him as a Character or even as a professional wrestler, but to say that he was at best an average wrestler that got lucky. Notice the lack of knowledge about him and all the bad things that he suffered in his life. He is probably the favorite wrestler of your favorite wrestler. He helped Stone Cold and Rock to get over back on the day if you learn a bit.
Brian on the Bret thing nearly every fan will disagree with you Vince turned to Bret when the scandel with the steriods Bret had great matches and didnt want to leave WWE. Bret was better than Kurt in the ring come on mate
I live in Kansas City and heard and saw at the time everything that happened and that’s why Brett Hart got to keep the title for so long is because he felt that it was owed to him for them killing his brother because he said his death was fishy.
You need to do some proper digging in research where the Brett incident is concerned, firstly they killed his brother Owen and then they tried to rob him of his title just to fit the narrative for Vince and Sean Micheals
Since Triple H has taken over the reins of creative control, WWE is as cool as it was with the Attitude era, it should get even bigger once the Netflix deal kicks in? I’m 49 years old and love the content and new generation of wrestlers within the Roster, especially the women’s division 🤘🏻
Hey I have watched wrestling basically my entire life and my opinion and this guys is basically spot on and the same! So I can't wait to see future videos
How can you recall Andre putting his hand on Mean Gene but you only got the tail end of the golden generation? Andre did that in 1982/83. You're right about Bret's sense of entitlement though
I used to really look up to Vince as a role model because he and I have a very similar childhood. However, I was lucky enough to have ended up in counseling. I was alot like Vince. Workaholic, full of rage, a control freak, sex addict, loved having control of others, etc. I was able to become a better person through several years of counseling. Its sad that Vince never got help but in his generation it was masculine for men to show pain and that hurt Vince. I really hope Vince can find some healing from his trauma in the future. Life sure wasnt fair to him as a kid and that caused alot of problems for him. I feel compassion for him. I do especially since his dad only told him he loved him 1 time in his life. Then when Vince met his dad his dad wouldnt even hug him. Thats awful. Sorry to say but bad parents create bad children and its sad Vince's reptutation is ruined, but Vince needs to just not give a sh*t which I'm sure he doesnt care. Most alpha males dont care what other people think. Thats an empowering way to live though. I hope Vince goes to jail and gets some help when he's in there.
I've learned not to criticize someone for being a bad evil person while reaping the benefits that he offered, my grandpa is arguably an evil person for doing things similar to vince but without him i couldn't be living now or having what i have , in that case we can't punish Vince for being Vince while getting a job in the company that he built or being a customer of his entertainment business, it would be hypocritical
I agree with you that Brett Hart is rather boring but I’m totally on Brett’s side with everything else. I feel so bad for him for the way he was treated
Pretty sure Shawn told Bret he wouldn’t drop the belt to him if it was the other way round, and Bret also openly said he’d happily drop it to anyone else. This is after Vince had gone back on a 20 year contract and forced the show to carry on after his brother died at a live show. And that’s without getting into the fact that everyone including Owen had told Vince they didn’t want to do the ceiling entrance, and all the stuff that came out about the subpar people he used to do it I’m really not a fan of Bret and never have been, but he was the ultimate company man until he got fucked over so good on him. You’ve missed out major and contextually very important facts
Super quick, reason bret hart wouldn’t drop the belt to Shawn was because he approached Shawn backstage months before saying “I know we have our differences but I’m professional and will drop the belt to you no problem”,
Shawn’s response was “I appreciate that….but if the shoe was on the other foot I wouldn’t do the same for you”. Because of this bret then refused to drop the belt to Shawn.
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Yes! That’s how I’ll always side with Bret.
Yeah.... not Brets belt or call.
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I saw bret Hart talk about it over a decade ago and he gave the reason you said but also said he said he'd drop it to someone else on the next days show before leaving.
To be fair to Bret Hart, I think you're leaving out the part how Shawn Michaels was public enemy #1 to pretty much everyone in the back at the time and was going after Bret personally both backstage and on live TV. Bret's issues were always more with Shawn than it was with Vince. He was loyal to Vince, so much so that he did want to stay in WWF with significantly less money than what WCW were offering him. He did not want to drop the belt to Shawn in Montreal because Shawn straight up told him that he wouldn't drop the belt to Bret if roles were reversed. What the doc also leaves out is they had an entire month's time before Bret's contract expired to work things out post-Survivor Series 97. Bret contractually had a "creative control" clause in his last 30 days and offered to drop the belt to a bunch of guys in the following month, including to Shawn. Bret was always down to do business in the aftermath, but things boiled over because the screwjob happened. Bret was definitely not faultless in all of that (and personally, I agree that he can be a huge stickler for himself), but it was never as cut and dry as "Vince had to do it" as the commonly believed narrative portrayed it out to be.
Very evil all these allegations are quite disgusting ... Like p Diddy hope he rots in hell ❤
it was a work. bret knew the set up, he was put in a sharp shooter.. he couldnt be that gullible. it was all a work, you can even see vince get into position to take the spit. he had a deal with vince to come back from wcw, their champion, make a ton of turner money, and vince offered him a lucrative long lasting deal in WWF after his wcw contract. That all changed when Owen died and Brets brain injury made him lose his mind and become bitter, paranoid and resentful.
@@jasonpage9986hate to say it wasn’t a work. Bret was fine with dropping the belt, even with him leaving for wcw. But the problem he had with it was that he didn’t want to drop the belt in Canada since he was a national hero basically. It is still a bit of an ego mindset from him but you can understand why he thought it was a bad idea dropping the belt in his own country.
But you’re not wrong with Owen’s death. It wouldn’t of helped the situation with what happened
@@AdamNM1872 i believe he knew it was coming regardless. i believe they had his film crew assigned to document the screwjob, the fake backstage commotion, that vince needed a big storyline for bret to return back from wcw on, and it was all a work. in fact even referee hebner admitted it was a work before walking it back. scott, kevin and sean even said it had to have been a work, and someone of his elk would have known what was happening. i believe bret had an NDA and couldn't reveal anything. go rewatch the match and aftermath and you'll pick up on things. till this day mankind and taker still lie to the public about hell in a cell being 'accidental'.. the whole thing was a work but they probably signed NDAs.
Bret Hart was completely fucked over by Vince.
1. Bret was signed to a 20 year deal and then Vince decided to go back on his word
2. Shawn was a dick and told him he wouldn’t do the job to Bret if he was in Bret’s shoes.
3. Vince had many opportunities to make Bret drop the belt before leading to Survivor series and chose not to.
4. Since Vince allowed the issue to culminate in a PPV where was backed into a corner, Bret was willing to drop the belt to literally anyone else in Montreal such as Undertaker, Shamrock, Austin etc.
Would recommend to watch Wrestling with Shadows and Dark Side of The Ring.
Looks like you still enjoyed the show. So Vince did do something right. He already had the same mind during the push of Hulk Hogan. Hogan leaves. Bret push. Bret leaves. Stone Cold push. And the cycle didnt stop. Bret's main problem was letting Goldberg do a match with him. That injury caused him to retire
All celebriry tycoons and business moguls has a grimy stuff hiding in their closets. Happens to all of them. Just so happens the new owner of the WWE don;t want any part of Vince. Vince should have left after he sold it but he cant take his hands out of it. So they publicized whatever people already know about Vince and then some, just to get him out of the picture
Yep that’s true. He was more than happy to drop the title to anyone but Michaels
Tough tittys do your job as your boss says
Also, Bret had creative control in his contract so he had the right to dispute finishes. It was Vince's fault for putting it in Bret's contract and not expecting him to use it. Just like it was Vince's fault for reneging on the new contract he gave Bret. Also, Vince told Bret to go to WCW. It's not like Bret was pushing to get out the door, he wanted Vince to give him a reason to stay but he wouldn't. It's ridiculous that people still try and spin this narrative that Bret was the bad guy in this situation, when it's clear as day Vince was the snake the whole time.
are they on netflix also??
If you grew up a wrestling fan. You’re not surprised by these allegations.
To be honest I still think Vince is an icon we all have our faults
we were too busy being entertained lmao
@thechunkyone7118 we all have our faults? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️😂
@@thechunkyone7118yeah some people forget to feed their dog before they go to bed. Some people force women to do sexual things they don’t want to. If you can’t see the difference between those two things generally then I can’t help you, nobody can 😂
If anyone grew up a wrestling fan, then nobody’s surprised by these allegations lol!
The 90s were about roids, drugs, and shagging, not to mention the WWF attitude era... What a glorious time to be a teenager haha
I have to admit the most disturbing bit I found in the whole documentary was his dyed eyebrows
😂😂😂
Vince now has that face lift type surgery look about him. It's best to just look after your body and forget the surgery - Mick Jagger comes to mind as an old guy who hasn't gone under the knife but spends a lot of time looking after himself (exercise, dance and good eating - it helps to be a multi millionaire)
and his purple lips? 😂
@@SoutheastasiantravelerI wouldn’t wanna look like Mick Jagger either, absolutely battered
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Kurt Angle was genuinely incredible. The total package. I would actually get so angry when people would chant “You suck” during his entrance 😂😂😂. Meanwhile I’d be stood in front of the tv chanting “You rock”. Ahhhh what I’d give to be a kid again 😅
The doc barely scratched the surface. There's a six part series on Vince on a pod called Behind the Bastards from last year. It's worth a listen.
I didn't learn a thing 😂
I've been plugging that podcast too. Very detailed and very well presented.
@@Redesign24 Yeah, the Netflix doc was meant for more general/casual audiences, so we fans weren't going to learn anything we didn't already know. Plus it was a total puff piece imo.
@@Reilstone78 I just re-listened to it recently, and it's so good. Robert Evans is just a really good storyteller with a good sense of humor.
A couple of things about the Owen Hart fall that came out during the Dark Side of the Ring episode. While he was plummeting to his death, he was shouting to the ref to move because he didn't want to take the ref down with him. Jim Ross also had about 5 seconds to prepare himself to announce Owen's passing to the world. It was literally hearing Kevin Dunn in his ear tell him, then he was given a 3 second countdown.
Calling Brett Hart miserable sums up just how clueless Geordie is 🤡🤣 the dude watched his brother die and the company continued on with the show. He also wouldn’t drop to HBK, he had no issue with doing it for anyone else. I’d be pretty “miserable” too if a company fucked my life. What a clown
Goldberg ended his career, according to Brett
Thanks for the comment. Now I need not view this any further. The Hart's were loved.
Brett was injured by Goldberg and fair play to him, he never complains about it .
And bret had to see his brothers blood on the mat and Vince told everyone to continue
I love Brett Hart, I really do, but he is miserable. It's terrible what happened to Owen, but that was a tragic accident (although you're right, should have ended the show at that point). Brett was screwed badly, but it's 25 years later and he's STILL banging on about it. Get over it Brett!!!!
Shawn was due to drop the belt to bret earlier that year at wrestlemania but somehow lost his smile . Michaels was a dick. Hart has more integrity than alot of them
The Attitude Era was mental.
The best era
Was mint wasn’t it ahahahahha
Who was your favourite?
@@aaronstotton2122 When i watched wwe it was always taker.
@@colinmathie2710 for me it was edge I got goosebumps when he returned at royal rumble and still do if I re watch it ahhahaa
@@aaronstotton2122 The Rock and Kurt Angle
He’s definitely got some kind of screw loose , he’s just lucky to have money to fall back on otherwise he would be behind bars.
Bret did not refuse to drop the belt, he just did not want to lose it in Canada. He had previously signed a 20-year deal with Vince, which Vince changed his mind on. Coming into the last 60 days of his contract, Bret had a clause that granted him creative control over his character. Given the real-life beef between Shawn and Bret, along with the comments made by Shawn on national TV implying that Bret was having an affair with Sonny, Bret did not want to drop the title to Shawn. He was more than happy to drop it to someone like The Undertaker, for example, but not to Shawn, who was somewhat of a twat both in and out of the ring at the time.
Even as a kid I found it troubling that wrestlers would have a match on a Sunday PPV event, taking chair shots, high flying antics through tables, bleeding heavily etc, then be on raw the very next night in the ring again. Something almost inhuman about not letting the talent have some recovery time. No wonder so many wrestlers died young, addicted to painkillers and whatever else. Vince is a ruthless man.. who it turns out is actually so much worse irl than the nasty and over the top "character" he played.
Bret would have HAPPILY dropped the Belt to, quite literally, ANYBODY else but Shawn. That was his issue. He told Vince he didn't want to drop to Shawn in his home country, he would drop it the next night on Raw.
Bret needs to let it go in 2024...but the man very much had a right to have an axe to grind
Why does he have a right? He's an actor not a director.
Brett is a very bitter guy, he just can't let go
Bret had reasonable creative control in his contract
No need to argue with the opinion on bret hart, but, to say he would have been swallowed by Austin and the Rock when he was already the main man for 5 years, gave Austin two epic matches that are arguably Austin's best, and also, in the rocks words, unlike others...(Shawn and hunter) bret actually supported and mentored the rock recognising his undeniable talent. Shawn and hunter were the selfish ones who sabotaged everyone they could, Bret was the main target, the victors write history. P.s, bret negotiated mutual creative control for last 30 days of contract should WWF terminate, its not as though him saying no for first time in 14 years was without genuine reasons.
Bret heart was my favourite.
88-93 we’re always my fav years. I know everyone’s an Attitude era person, but I much preferred the over the top cartoon era. Guys like Macho Man, the Rockers, Mr Perfect, Million Dollar Man, Jake Roberts etc
Same
Ultimate warrior
Yeah I stopped watching when I went to to secondary school in 94. The hulk, warrior, big boss man era was my favourite.
i love 1991-1993 the roster was just incredible
Your take on Bret Hart is absolutely incorrect, especially regarding the title.
He was in a 20 year contract with wwf and had no obligation to leave, Vince asked and he did what was right for the business but had stipulations.
Also because Shawn Michael’s said to him he would never drop the title for him ever.
So he agreed a plan with wwf only for Vince to screw him.
This is so inaccurate,casual summary for people who have zero knowledge of wrestling history
I disagree to the notion that professional wrestling isn't a legitimate competition for the wrestlers. It absolutely can be - not in the same sense of sport or a fight but its a competition on who connects and generates the most emotion/revenue from its audience. It's a scripted piece of physical fiction, but what makes it unique is that it is one that is also molded by real life occurrences happening in real-time. That's the entire ethos that's birthed the idea of wrestlers politicking promoters like Vince behind the scenes. He may be the one to make the final call, but that doesn't mean that wrestlers can't or haven't leveraged him into making a lot of the decisions good or bad he's made through the years.
@deenhaniyah4707 it is fake in the sense that it's not an actual fight to see who wins and is the better fighter, they already know who's gonna win and who's gonna do what down to the exact second, they know every toss, every suplex, every clothes hanger that's gonna happen, so in that sense it's like a movie, you wouldn't call a movie real, but they definitely are fighting, might not be a just fight but it is a fight.
And to your point of saying that Vince had outside influence I have to say I disagree with that excuse, he's the boss man, he says jump and they ask how high, so that wouldn't be an excuse, Vince is an extremely intelligent man, he can't be influenced by others, he takes what he wants from others.
@@cheahbuddy6146 there's been evidence to say the contrary. Vince has gone on record to say he hated HBK in the 90s just as much as the rest of the boys. He didn't want HBK doing most of the things he was doing on air and backstage. But he let a lot of his bad behavior slide and followed a lot of what HBK wanted to do because he was the top guy and the champion. A recent example was Roman Reigns who told Vince that he wouldn't return to the company during the pandemic unless it was in his creative vision of being a heel. This is something Vince was vehemently against because he tried so desperately to make him this era's top white meat babyface, but ended up granting Roman his wish because he is his current golden boy. In theory, every promoter should be able to put their foot down and be a boss. However historically, every single one have at some point been influenced into doing or not doing things based on what a wrestler or some other outside force has wanted them to do.
How is it a legitimate competition when the outcome is pre determined? They're the equivalent of stunt men. They put their body's on the line but that isn't competition
@@cooperman8850 the competition they're competing in really is just an entertainment competition, who can make the most entertaining characters and bond well with others.
Brett Hart made stone cold with the face an heel turns. Also Brett didn't wanna drop to Shaun. He would have dropped the belt. Do your research.
No, he refused to drop the belt at the event that mattered. Do your research. It was the last main PPV, so why would they just so "nah, let's just give you the title on a raw where not as many people will be watching". The boss has final say, and it would have been the right thing for Bret to do on his way out.
@@Hunterx777x not against shawn , it was real unfair. To Bret , serious issue
Mr McMahon was a character Vince wrote to live out his fantasies imo
He got shove his tongue down tge throats of Trish Stratus ,Candice Michelle ,Torrie Wilson and Sable . What a lucky bastard !!!
The Awkward truth is Vince’s legacy lives on whether people like it or not. Without Vince there’s almost certainly no Rock, no John Cena, no Batista. All these guys are still making multi million dollar films. WWE arguably isn’t making anything like the money it makes today, there could in theory still be territories.
Except the credit for Cena goes to Stephanie. Vince originally didn't want him, it was Steph that fought his corner!
@@MichSciFi10yep. Cena was about to be released but then Steph heard him freestyle rapping on the tour bus. So she managed to work it out that Cena would get the Vanilla Ice/Marky Mark gimmick. The rest is history.
When they asked what Vince’s legacy will be? I was surprised no one just said the last 40 something years.
Vincent stole everything 😂😂
I'm not saying Bret was justified because I don't know enough about it all but I think that it was all meant to go down in Canada, which was what made it seem even worse for him
I respect your opinion on a certain wrestler/character.Bret however was not only a great worker but carried himself like a proud champion and in many people's eyes,looked like an actual hero because he didn't try cheap tricks,he was always outwrestling people thanks to his training at his father's "dungeon" and his experience in the ring but not only that,he was a great storyteller.
Telling a story with their movesets,turnarounds,selling their injuries etc.Bret respected that and was more than willing to do business with you if you were respectful of him and the craft.
Bret got screwed big time and for those of you who don't know,the Undertaker was pissed as hell and wanted to kick Vince and Shawn's ass for treating a respectable lockeroom leader/champion the way they did at Montreal.If I was Bret I'd be pissed about that too.He was an artist in the ring and is still the Best there is,the Best there was,and the Best there ever will be.
Brett Hart is a boring sook
He might be boring mate but he could out wrestle any1 bret is 1 of the goats easily on mount rushmore or top10 goats
When it comes to inciting wrestlers to do roids and get addicted to pain killers...
We dont have to go back to the 90's man, not even 20 or 10 years ago... Just in 2019, Randy Orton asked Vince, not for a time off, not for a break or holiday, not to stop doing Raw/SD weak-in and weak-out... Not even to stop doing the live shows... But ONLY to do like half of the Live shows as his back was starting to hurt him and have real problems.
Vince quickly dismissed Randy's request with a :"Ahah i need you on those shows Randy! Crack on"
Couple of years later, Randy picked up an injury that almost ended his career. Took him out for 18months.
He came back last year and has been looking BIGGER (thanks to Nuttela) and better than ever.
Sometimes you just need a proper rest! 💪
you certainly can tell a story! I can listen for hours. It was mesmerizing and on point.
Loving these longer videos Geordie! Have to say I do miss the Pods tho 😅
Damn you for giving Logan Paul a redemption arc 😂 you need to go back to calling him a POS who only does things to benefit himself. You were right the first time
Great content this evening, first the Eubank story and now this!
The 80's and 90's were the last of the good times, I am glad I grew up in them :)
Everything went to the dogs when 2009 came around ....
You seem to have skirted over the fact that Bret Hart was asked to do the job to Shawn Micheals in Montreal in his own back yard.
You seem to have skirted over the fact that Bret Hart kept pushing out the date. They wanted to do it sooner.
Who cares who it was against and where? He was a paid actor and given his role. It's his job to do what is asked. The champion title isn't something wrestlers earn, it's handed to them by the promoter until he takes it back and gives it to the next guy
@@mattysmith83 It was definitely earned to a degree. Not in a competitive fight situation, but in terms of years of graft and connecting with the fans etc.
The adrenaline rush that Wrestling gave to ten year old at that time was through the roof. Even my grandma used to watch it with me😅
Vince McMahon hasn’t destroyed his legacy. He’s a pioneer of the wrestling industry and a visionary genius. His legacy is the one thing that will always remain intact. There’s more to come for him and all he’s left with in the end is his money but I’m sure he’ll be fine with that.
WOW... I've never really watched wrestling, my channel is about combat sports, I always thought it was just "FAKE" but learning about all of the brain damage, pain killers and deaths gives me a new level of respect for these athletes, GOD DAYMMNN
First? I used to love WWE growing up , I used to watch during the ruthless aggression era 2002-2009 before it went super PG
2011-2012 was still great
If you haven't, I recommend checking out it recently, definitely pulled away from the PG stuff
@@cammackkfax these last two years have been so good
02-05 was good by i couldnt stand cena so i switched to TNA, who were decent for a few years until that was ruined. i tuned back into WWE when CM punk was getting a huge pop, and when Bret hart returned. since then its been awful, and babyish.. i started watching again in this year, but just following the highlights on RUclips of the Rock/Cody punk/drew. The rest of the show is unwatchable and so poor, so its best to just watch the good bits which they upload.
@@jasonpage9986 the rest of the show has been killer, top the bottom the last few weeks, i highly recommend
Vince McMahons rendition of 'Sexy Boy' was awesome.
Big love Brian. Amazing content lately. Thanks very much. Kindest regards, Richard U.K
Having bad parents is not an excuse for being a terrible human.
Free will is an illusion so it sort of is
This piece is up there with some of your best work mate. I've watched so many reviews of this doc and yours is the funniest and the most on the money. I could tell you were a fan at one point. ;😂😂😂😂
Miss Kitty - Armageddon 1999 time stamp 01:57:04 .. That one stayed with me too 😂😂😂
Love when I see the notification that True Geordie has uploaded
The Real McMan Please stand up.
A bit off topic but I totally agree with your opinion Brian of James Gandolfini's acting and especially The Sopranos !
Great video TG! Many memories of the gold era of the WWF/WWE!
The bits with Trish stratus...wild 🤣👏😂 interesting take on Bret 👍
I was hoping you’d make a video about this!
Your MMRS impersonation is top class lol
Amazing Video Brian!
Great review summed up the series really well! Also summed up the person well too.
Say what you will about Bret Hart, but Kurt Angle said Bret is the best that's ever done it. And the Bret vs Austin fued is only bettered by Austin vs McMahon.
Brets the Best in the business for the time , he was extremely popular
What you said about Brett Hart, thank you. I’ve been saying that for 30 years and no one else would have it or saw through him. Sure he was a good worker in the ring but that was it. He couldn’t sell a promo if it his life depended on it. Austin, Rock even Foley and 3H all would have eaten him alive in promos. Hart leaving for WCW saved him from himself and that ego the size of Calgary. All he ever talks about is Montreal and it’s his own fault, no wrestler leaves a promotion with the main belt or the promotion would be killed stone dead. His ego was bigger than his talent and that’s why Vince had Shawn Michaels go over. Brett was too up his own arse to think any different.
Great video you obviously know your stuff but yeah I do think you were harsh on Bret. He definitely wasnt charasmatic like Shawn or the Rock but when doing the Canadian hero role near the end he was perfect
Can't wait for Vince's video "How True Geordie DESTROYED His Legacy…"
The rock rikishi storyline was wicked aswell plus Dudley boys vs degenerate x
Macho Man - Mr.Perfect - Ultimate Warrior.
80's 90's WWF was the best!
I'll be honest, very surprised to hear that they went into any of the Benoit situation.
Steve is still one of the top merch sellers in WWE. He's still on a giant contract hell never say anything negative about the WWE or the business in general.
That Janel Grant rant at the end, Jesus Brian 😬
That's enough red flags for one evening
Why?
You need to get your facts right, if you are going to attempt a deep dive here. 3 things: 1) It was Shawn Michaels who started the attitude era. 2) Stone cold was not a star overnight. He admits it was the Rub from Bret Hart that elevated him after the WM13 match, which Bret Hart mapped out. 3) You need to watch more videos on the Montreal screw job to know why Bret didn’t want to lose to Shawn Michaels. Bret would have dropped it to anyone else. Even when Bret considered dropping the belt to Shawn, Shawn told Bret that he would not be willing to do the same for him. Vince never made Bret. He gave Bret an opportunity, and Bret was Mr reliable. He bit, kicked, clawed, scratched his way to the top and earned his place in the company.
I felt that it was important to clarify that for everyone. Bret Hart will probably go down as the best technical wrestler of all time and he was carrying the company on his back when business was down. Saying that he is lucky to have any legacy is rubbish and embarrassing. Many wrestlers talk about Bret as the best, including Kurt Angle. No one could tell a story in the ring like Bret Hart could.
Bit disappointed that you didn’t do this for the Robbie Williams one a year or two ago. I personally felt like that one was a huge puff piece and not very good. Would be interested too hear your thoughts on this 👍
Just a quick one on Brett. He had contractually creative control on his character for the last 30 days of his contract. Vince gave him that when Brett agreed to leave the WWF which he didn’t want to do. Plus all the Shaun stuff so it’s not so black and white
You're completley wrong about Bret Hart here.
Enjoyed that Brian 💪💪
An excellent summary of the documentary.
Damn bro I just had the best trip down memory lane. I’d watch WWF from 95 to 2000. 10 year old to 15. Amazing times.
Great video ❤
Steve austin DID NIT DISMISS IT listen to the sentence before he said he dont believe in it. He explained that if you worked in the ring the right away and protect eachother then CTE shouldnt affect them. He didnt literally mean he dont believe in it he just means he dont believe its something that should happen to them just by wrestling. There is a right way and dangerous way of doing it. Thats what i got from it. Jesus
I didn't grow up watching Bret during his time, I was not even born at the time, but in my 15 years of being a wrestling fan. I have learned that you don't insult the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be like that. You can not like him as a Character or even as a professional wrestler, but to say that he was at best an average wrestler that got lucky. Notice the lack of knowledge about him and all the bad things that he suffered in his life. He is probably the favorite wrestler of your favorite wrestler. He helped Stone Cold and Rock to get over back on the day if you learn a bit.
Bret didn’t refuse to drop the belt to HBK. He refused of drop the belt to HBK in Montreal.
Get it right.
You have litrally brought me back to my childhood. The memories of WWE in late 90s early 00s is some of the best cringe worthy TV ever.
Brian on the Bret thing nearly every fan will disagree with you Vince turned to Bret when the scandel with the steriods Bret had great matches and didnt want to leave WWE. Bret was better than Kurt in the ring come on mate
That was an impressive Macho Man impression.
As a huge wrestling fan theres alot of stuff about vince missed out here from things ive read online or seen in other docs
I live in Kansas City and heard and saw at the time everything that happened and that’s why Brett Hart got to keep the title for so long is because he felt that it was owed to him for them killing his brother because he said his death was fishy.
You need to do some proper digging in research where the Brett incident is concerned, firstly they killed his brother Owen and then they tried to rob him of his title just to fit the narrative for Vince and Sean Micheals
You mean fit the narrative of a script, just like him winning the belt followed the narrative of a script.
Owen Hart died in an accident, and that was after Bret already left the company.
Wrong order. Brett left WWF in 97.. Owen died in 99.
Vince and Geordie both have something in common they both have a thing for the BBC.
Bret Hart is my favourite wrestler of all time. I started watching wrestling in 1994 when I was 7 and he was just magic.
Since Triple H has taken over the reins of creative control, WWE is as cool as it was with the Attitude era, it should get even bigger once the Netflix deal kicks in? I’m 49 years old and love the content and new generation of wrestlers within the Roster, especially the women’s division 🤘🏻
Wrestling on lowest point. Its product for bunch of nerds failed in life.
William regal already addressed this on his podcast, regarding Chris benoit
Please do the Manendez brothers next! Please!
Bret holding onto the hate, overrating himself, is a work, homie!
The treatment Diddy gets in comparison to Vince is pretty astonishing.
I cried at that part where he hugged Shane and they were getting emotional. Think it’s the only time I’ve seen Vince get emotional.
Hey I have watched wrestling basically my entire life and my opinion and this guys is basically spot on and the same! So I can't wait to see future videos
He will always be a legend in my eyes
Was waiting for this still remember the pod with Joe weller over steroids in the WWE
How can you recall Andre putting his hand on Mean Gene but you only got the tail end of the golden generation? Andre did that in 1982/83. You're right about Bret's sense of entitlement though
I used to hate on True G, I take it back....he's a good guy
An interesting fact about Jesse Ventura, he played Blain in the original Predator movie (The guy with the minigun) which he killed that role!
Now Imagine the long term effects on those UFC fighters and what they go through. Shocking really
TG wearing the same t shirt now so I can't tell when the ad is finished
I used to really look up to Vince as a role model because he and I have a very similar childhood. However, I was lucky enough to have ended up in counseling. I was alot like Vince. Workaholic, full of rage, a control freak, sex addict, loved having control of others, etc. I was able to become a better person through several years of counseling. Its sad that Vince never got help but in his generation it was masculine for men to show pain and that hurt Vince. I really hope Vince can find some healing from his trauma in the future. Life sure wasnt fair to him as a kid and that caused alot of problems for him. I feel compassion for him. I do especially since his dad only told him he loved him 1 time in his life. Then when Vince met his dad his dad wouldnt even hug him. Thats awful. Sorry to say but bad parents create bad children and its sad Vince's reptutation is ruined, but Vince needs to just not give a sh*t which I'm sure he doesnt care. Most alpha males dont care what other people think. Thats an empowering way to live though. I hope Vince goes to jail and gets some help when he's in there.
I've learned not to criticize someone for being a bad evil person while reaping the benefits that he offered, my grandpa is arguably an evil person for doing things similar to vince but without him i couldn't be living now or having what i have , in that case we can't punish Vince for being Vince while getting a job in the company that he built or being a customer of his entertainment business, it would be hypocritical
He played it a little TOO well for it to be just a persona
It’s a weird one. Vince is just vince.
I agree with you that Brett Hart is rather boring but I’m totally on Brett’s side with everything else. I feel so bad for him for the way he was treated
I’m still in love with the Undertaker to this day 😍😍😍😂😂😂
Pretty sure Shawn told Bret he wouldn’t drop the belt to him if it was the other way round, and Bret also openly said he’d happily drop it to anyone else. This is after Vince had gone back on a 20 year contract and forced the show to carry on after his brother died at a live show. And that’s without getting into the fact that everyone including Owen had told Vince they didn’t want to do the ceiling entrance, and all the stuff that came out about the subpar people he used to do it
I’m really not a fan of Bret and never have been, but he was the ultimate company man until he got fucked over so good on him.
You’ve missed out major and contextually very important facts