This has got to be my favourite Anderton's video. It's the obvious joy that Jack experiences as each new feature is revealed. Definitely a small boy in a sweet shop experience!
I love these ‘VST in a box’ comments. Isn’t every digital synth / sampler just a VST in a box? You pay upwards of £3000 for a Nord or a Yamaha and don’t bat an eyelid that it’s just some samples in a box. I think it’s an incredible product, and something I’ve been waiting a long time for. Order placed, can’t wait!
What these commenters don't know is that just because it says VCF it's no guarantee that the synth is a good sounding machine :) This machine will be my next purchase for sure!
The better ones aren't vst in a box , computer vst models run on something that isn't designed to be synth but to do your word processing on , hardware synths have tailored convertors specific for the job and you can hear the difference
@@cnfuzz When a hardware synthesizer DSP is very fast then we get a very high resolution compared to a VST. Which gives better resolution. And with enough Bits we get high dynamics. And at the end of the chain there is a capacitor that is being loaded and unloaded creating the waveforms. What many don't know is that even a DCO is analogue the only difference is that the pitch is determined by digital. And also no hardware synth is a VST in a box, where do they find the VST library written in C in there? Where do they load other VST? What version of VST 2 or 3? I would like them to show me where they find vst dynamic linked library in the hardware synth ;-)
I have a Jupiter X… and I'm wondering how this isn't PRETTY MUCH the same thing in a new, more affordable, "Juno"-focused hardware package? It's like choosing which chassis and panel layout you prefer (or can afford) for your zen-core engine to reside in. I must say, apparently Roland heard loud & clear how unhappy Jupiter X users have been with the location of the display… it's where it ought to be on this synth.
I’m glad to hear a Jupiter X customer say this. I held off buying the Jupiter X because of the need to deep dive menus. This does that too but at least layer one is tactile.
@@fredmanteghian5913 - well the "one layer is tactile" aspect is true of the Jupiter X also. From the mid-80s through the late 90s I had a deep knowledge of the working of Roland instruments… when I got the Jupiter X I said, OK, what's needed here is an editor app for this… and thankfully now there is one.
totally agree!..the Jupiter X display location is seriously the most boneheaded decision.. i suspect though that putting the extra models into the Juno X would end up with the user paying Jupiter X price at the end of the day..
this is the confusing aspect of this marketing....and the reason I sold my Jupiter Xm and bought a Fantom 6. At the end of the day, the knob per function is only relevant to the one model it's physically based on. After that, it's a terrible interface for Zen-core. The Fantom's touch interface is far better at handling both zen-core and model expansions, and it now has a wavetable synth expansion. I think they need to commit to a zen-core focused synth, and maybe consider limited runs of their analog synths "remastered".
@@rui5421 "At the end of the day, the knob per function is only relevant to the one model it's physically based on. After that, it's a terrible interface for Zen-core."… exactly! Thing is though, this Jupiter X chassis is well-constructed from quality materials, so it's got that going for it.
I incredibly found and bought last year a boxed Juno 60 with midi mod from a retired 80s stockbroker who bought it in '85 and put it away after a demo because it didn't make him an instant pop star. But I see stars every time I play it. Can't beat this analogue breathing beauty.
They're so beautiful eh! I bought mine about 15 years ago for £400 including Kenton dcb midi converter and a flight case. Essentially got the Juno for free 🤣
As someone who has also subscribed to Roland Cloud and has a Fantom 6 (Not the O which is not suitable for my personal requirements - No NZyme, AT, 2 BMC, No VP etc), this ticks a lot of boxes imo. This is a very focused instrument and the interface is superb and far more than a midi controller. Yes it's Zen core at it's base but with added functions, ACB would have been great but with more limited polyphony. Digital is not second best. It's different. An analogue Juno would probably cost 3k. So many options now, Waldorf Iridium, UDO Super 6. This imo is a contender and I would buy over the Jup X.
Look mommy, my new Roland synth! Looks like an old analog one but is digital, and it’s basically the same as the other one I bought last year, but with different looks plus a few extra sliders, and guess what - it can load sounds that I need keep paying for monthly to a “cloud” for the rest of my life, isn’t that cool? Yeah, son - very cool! I’ll call your doctor right now, just remain calm... And give me the number of that guy, Roland, I need to have some serious words with him!
Bro it's the coolest shit they've done in a long time. You don't have to want to buy it while realizing it's great synth. Some people don't have 3+ synths already. This is literally what everyone's been asking for in a new Juno for years. They finally listened
@@arbogast4950 1) and? You still are forced to connect to cloud or it doesn't work. What if your board loses ability to connect? 2) "lifetime" of what exactly? When Roland moves on in a few years (to supernaturaljupitercoreplus)and dumps your software version with no support, you have a worthless "lifetime" ownership.
Wow! Andertons beat the competition to get their vid on this keyboard first on my radar! I sold my Juno 106 a few years ago after nearly 35 years of service. There's a good reason it lasted so long in my arsenal, and this new beast seems to build on that legendary status.
Dumbest decision you've ever done. You really think you're going to replace you're 1982 Original Juno 106 with this shit right here? Which is technically the something as a Roland Jupiter X?!
Sometimes the noise is nice when the chorus is on, especially when doing bright super saws. Can soften harshness. Love this synth tho! Way to go Roland!
Roland knows what we want and they're bending over backwards to not give it to us. It's like, instead of bringing our dead friend back to life (which they absolutely can do), they just troweled some Maybelline on his dead body, took a picture of him, and glued it to the face of a blowup doll and then blew it up with a rocket launcher, just like in "hard ticket to Hawaii". And I forgot where I was going with this, but c'mon Roland! You know what we want, just make an analog Juno already!
Why not just buy an old one? Let’s say they do release an analog version, y’all would find something else to complain about. “Ooooo, it has no soul because it sounds too clean”, “Ooooo, it sounds too thin”, “Ooooo, the keys don’t feel the same”. All you “Roland fans” do is complain. Just save your money and buy the originals🤷🏾♂️
@@wunderkyn mostly since the supply of vintage synths is fixed and dwindling, reliability is an issue and repairs aren’t terribly cheap, and modern connectivity would be nice. An analog synth with digital effects, or a hybrid design like the (underrated) JD-XA would be the ideal in a new Juno IMO. I have an old 106 and I love it. But my Point is, Roland is so stubborn on the analog/digital thing that they’re alienating a lot of their customers.
Best Interface of All Time! That about says it all! So many synths have great sounds, but the interface menu diving is garbage. If all you want to play is presets, get a DX whatever. Besides the analog synth tones from days of yore, being able to mod the filter, envelopes and osc mix on the fly made those machines a dream to play. They invided sound sculpting. Glad to see more synth makers not just adding controls, but replicating the designs that have naturally worked for decades.
Lmao, watch them expand the deepmind with actual analog circuitry and tear Roland a new one. I’m all behringer at this point. These legacy brands are so far-fetched now,
Well, you can buy classics like piano, violin... or a Juno, Jupiter, JV1080, XV5080.. Nobody complaints that they still sell you the "same piano" that exists for over 200 years, so I think it is legit to sell a Juno for about 40 years (well, all digital Junos before System-8 were not good enough as a Juno emulation, for sure) For many, the quality of the current Juno emulation is now good enough, and if you want 4 Juno sounds multitimbrally, this JUNO-X is a valuable option. Just the price seems a bit too high, and I am sure it will go down to 1500 soon. (And the original is still the best, of course, soundwise).
@@frankjuno8808.I thought they might try something new as their Motto is "redesigning the future'. It feels more 'Redesigning the past' over and over. The Juno X looks good, but we've seen it all before.
SHOUT OUTS TO DYRECK (AKA Native shades)! I love his videos, he does some of the best gear reviews on the platform. You guys are awesome for that. Definitely wasn't expecting a reference to Native Shades here.
Never buy something for the hype, only for your ears. For me, the jupiter xm sounds gorgeous and its the best synth I have in my arsenal. VST can sound even better than analogue synths with proper EQ and FX. If you want to have the same quality in hardware, you must spend thousands of euros/dollars. At least that is my experience regarding synths. Make music with the tools you like working with and feel inspired, but never fall in the trap of the hype. Actually, I have come to the conclusion that my favourite hardware synths are digital !
I’ve got a Juno 106, but from watching this I would just say either pick up one of the many VST Juno emulations or get the boutique Juno off eBay for £250-£300ish
Thanks Jack and Andy. You are Great Ones. After seeing this review 6 times yesterday I ordered the Juno X and it arrives today. @Jack, please stop making such fantastic, useful and entertaining videos because I have no money. It is the third keyboard that I bought after seeing your reviews. NO MORE REVIEW VIDEOS, please!!!! :-) 🙌🙌
I was a keyboard tech for 37 years. The analog purists must have golden ears to be able to tell the difference between the original analog synths and the digital emulations in a mix with a pile of other instruments. Your non techie listener out on the world will not care where the sound comes from and would not be able to tell the difference. The analog instruments all require thousands of dollars buying external effects units to get them to sound good. I approach each individual instrument and look for its strengths and find a way to make it musical and useful. Most of the original Juno 106 units I worked on had the filter paks way out of calibration. They came in sounding awful! But their owners thought that sound was somehow better than a digital emulation. They require regular calibration to get them to sound their best. The digital versions do not have that oscillator and filter drift issue. Personally I find the weak part of the digital units are the shrill digital effect circuitry Roland puts into their instruments.
isn't the main point of the analog synths ease of use? They tend to be basic to program and sound great on whatever setting they are. Synths like these new Rolands can sound great but they're so clumsy to use. I don't care if it's analog but im not interested in having 5 synth engines and 800 parameters in my synth. I just want one that sounds great and has a knob for every function.
@@gr3g0r5 I went to the Moogfest In Durham a few years ago where I got to noodle on many analog synth manufactures keyboards. There were several I could not figure out how to get a basic flute like lead sound with portamento, like the Lucky Man sound. Some were not intuitive at all like the original Mini Moog D is. But I agree about new Roland synths being overly complex and hard to find your way around. When a new Roland model came into my shop for warranty repair, I often had to call tech support just to get a quick explanation for how to confirm the customer's complaint was actually a problem and not just operational error. There are only two Roland synths that I found were logical to get around and access edit pages.
@@ZenMountain Well at 67 years old I am sure I have some hearing loss in the high frequencies. Having grown up in Tonawanda, NY where the original Moog factory was located and having owned many old analog synths, and have been a keyboardist all my life and synth tech for 37 years I can certainly tell the difference. But why assume a pure analog synth has a better sound than a digital hybrid or sample based synth? Analog synths are so unstable, you have to warm them up for a half an hour until the tuning settles in. I use Omnisphere now for all of my analog synth sounds. I challenge anyone to tell the difference in a recording layered with many tonal textures. There are good digital synths and bad ones, good analog synths and bad ones. I use whatever fits the music. It is like the ridiculous argument as to which sounds better: vinyl records, open reel tape, or digital. It is all a personal preference. By the way, the original Juno 106 oscillators are digitally controlled. It is the filter paks that drift and create the "analog" quality.
And what are your thoughts on what he mentions around @8:20 about needing to connect to the internet every 30 days to check if your subscription is still active and you're allowed to access your presets?
Have to say I love it. The layout, the design, the sound, the legacy. It's really a beauty. But seriously Roland? 2000 EUR for what is basically yet another ZEN Core wrapper? Come on!
I am biased being that I am over in the Roland part of the world =P but we love it as well. Price is a reflection of the current global situation. Not just flat competition. Production price, component scarcity. Everything isn't quite as it was. Viewed as an independent article I think it's so close to what it is actually worth that the margin is debatable. Still, people have lots of options. If they like it cool. If they don't, don't buy it. I'll get it for free, so I don't want to seem too unsympathetic either way. I do however think that Zen-C is a good modern idea (for the performer). Studio and amateur only, will have different points of view.
@@ErraticFaith They could have priced this at 600$ easy. Even 400$. It doesn't have any special hardware, just a vst in a box. It doesn't need much more than like a rasperry pi to run the synth and a sound card and a few other components that propably cost 100-160$ and the case and keys propably cost 200$ max. They priced it at 2000$ because it's a nostalgic product and they know they can sell enough of them to make good money. For 2000$ they easily could have made this an all out analog synth like the Korg Prologue.
Where does the melody loop comes from at 31:10? It's the I-Arpeggio working, but he only played one note. And then a melody started that was more complex than just a normal arpeggio. Is it a pre-programmed melody from Roland? Or did he program it before making the video?
It is possible that after you put a few notes in a pattern in the Step sequencer, instead of the pattern remaining with the fixed notes, it will work in another scale as well. like an arpeggiator? That is, to move up and down the scale? Because I can't find any function related to Pitch shift or something
Why don't they do it like Korg and just release a true analogue Juno 106 with 6 voices? That would be at the same time retro and revolutionary and would probably become a huge success.
For the same price point they could have made this an analog synth or at least part analog, part digital. I know analog modeling technologies are pretty much identical but because there's just a vst inside they could have priced this at 600$, not 2000$ The Korg Prologue 16 is a full on high quality analog poly synth with digital additions and it's in the same pricepoint. That said i still want one because i love the Roland Clound synths and this is the perfect controller for all compatible synths. And this is free in comparison if i bought original hardware, Juno 106, Juno 60, SH-2 etc
I loved hearing Jack play home sweet home with all 3 choruses.i love the form but really wanna see model support for Jupiter x owners so you don't have to pay for the other models for the juno
@@synthdude ya, but not a keyboardists' first choice when no acoustic sounds, which is where the Juno-X has the edge But then Fantom-0 is so much more for kess money and all the same sounds.
I was intrigued when I first saw the photos, it looks quite nice. But another repackage of Zen-Core at this point, especially at that price, is disappointing. This interface and the ACB Juno engines for less than the system 8 would have been much more compelling imo.
As long as they have enough buyers they will never deliver what we want. It is like parent saying a kid what is best for them even it is a complete lie.
This attempt is so half assed. Honestly if they were to craft a Juno that has the og components of the 6/60 and 106 the world will be soo happy. Also throw in the sh 101 sequencer you got your self the best poly lol
Imagine being on stage, you power up the synth and it asks for authorization so you have to start fiddling with your phone to authorize the sounds you have on there because you've reached the 30th power cycle.... HOW IS THIS A THING?
i love all this retro futurism! but as a blind person thinking about this keyboard, how much does it rely on the touch screen? cause i'm no good with those..for example the fantom g was totally unusable for me
Its not a touch screen, so you may be able to memorize the number of button presses to get somewhere. I haven't used one, so not sure how much menu diving is in this.
Hi, if you are interested in true Roland Analog sounds and are blind, I would highly recommend you look into a JX-3P with the PG-200 controller, which is essentially knobs for the synthesizer parameters. In my opinion you would easily determine what each knob does to each sound and how to control it. Plus it is a very overlooked and less lauded after Roland Synth so can be bought at a reasonable price if you look, or even a steal.
@ghost mall thanks for the reply, this is very interesting to me. I work in web design but never considered accessibility in analog synth music creation. Your setup sounds awesome
a lot of people miss the point with zen-core and model expansions in this new format. To a sufficient degree they've emulated the classic sounds, and give you the ability to stack multiple modeled synths on top of each other with independent effects, lfos, and expanded polyphony beyond what was possible with similar priced analog synths. In addition to that is the zen core enjoy that kinda future proofs the synth and gives you more options beyond just the modeled synth. There are a lot of smart gains with zen-core, that allow it to be priced reasonably, compared to other brands charging the same or more for a 6 voice poly synth, or 12 voice max. I just really want them to figure out the marketing so the goal of these synths makes sense
oh wow, all pro's must be stupid, to intend the priority to analog sound. zencore is overrated and digital. nothing - absolutely nothing compares to analog synthesizers - not even "overpriced copies" of rolands cloud crap. [...]charging the same or more for a 6 voice poly synth, or 12 voice max...[...] 6 voice analog sounds better as every roland cloud plug in/out emulation. only who never played a juno 6/60 can talk such a bullshit.
Me no understanding zis... Why did not they make a dam super stable modern DCO synth with the classic analog filters, some more modulation, also some digital magic oscillator engine in addition. Basically they are selling a keyboard with the colorscheme...
The rear panel jacks look exactly like the Jupiter-Xm/Jupiter-X. I guess the innards are the exact same too only difference is not as many models included and you have to pay for them?
Hello!! I am curious to know if this is a limited time synth? I want to buy it bur not right now, idk if it has limited time on sale, if it does ill try to get it as soon as possible:0
Paying for more synth sounds is so lame. I want to love this synth because i love Roland and Boss but synth expansions are a no for me. Why not just have a midi controller and use plugins?
Yeah nowadays its kinda lame lol back in the day I can understand. I've only got a Nord Stage 3 and this is officially my last synth if I'm ever going to buy a new Synth it may be the System-8 nothing else but its highly unlikely I would get one lol. There is literally no point.
@@Jason75913 I'll stick to getting a new Behringer synth when they finally get released 😅 Boss eventually listened to the fans and did the waza craft line. If Roland went analog again then it would sell like crazy
@@tuneunleashed On the Jupiter-X, some Juno parameters can not be addressed directly, like Chorus type, PWM MOD source (you need to use the menu for these, or SysEx). And some controls of the Jupiter-X do nothing on the Juno-Model. For people who want as much JUNO knob-per-function behavior, this is the right thing. But I agree, the price is a little bit too high, regarding Jupiter-X (which has got a nice Jupiter-X model now, too, with optional Juno OSC and also the new Juno-Chorus types etc...) or the Fantom-0. But keep in mind that you need to buy the Juno model for the Fantom-0 (150 €), and now there are Juno-Model and Juno-X-Model, and only the X-Model gives you velocity sensivity, for example. I don't know if the Jupiter-X-Model or Juno-X-Model will be available for the Fantom in future.. So no velocity on the Fantom Vintage models, then (at this time).
Hi Jack.. Really great content as usual.. HOWEVER, looking at the Australia price where I live it turns out the JUNO X is over $3000.... A ridiculous price as always from Roland.. Honestly, I have so much and owned so much Roland gear but for gods sake Roland. Your taking the piss. There are so many better offerings out there. Never look through rose tinted glasses.
Remember that here in Oz it's always the case of the classic Aussie rip off in that the price of everything is jacked up because Aussies generally don't bother questioning when they're getting ripped off, particularly in this day and age!
Okay Duxbury. We know you're a Nord Stage chap and now we know you're a Juno chap too. Would love to know what the entire Duxbury Deluxbury rig looks like.
Gotta hand it to Roland. They have, in recent years, made an artform out of never really nailing all aspects of a synth. These new ZenCore synths look great with their metal enclosures but sound pathetic next to the older, ugly, plastic but superior sounding System 8. The older ACM technology is far better than this zencore crap but for some reason Roland is hellbent on discontinuing all products with ACM. Please Roland, make a synth that looks like the Jupiter X but has the better sounding ACM modeling! How hard can it be? You literally have the parts for it already.
I think at this point it’s clear that Roland is all about the future. And ZenCore is maybe 90% true to the original, but takes it so much further. It’s not about 100% accuracy, but the possibilities and polyphony. ACB uses more processing power, meaning you would need more powerful, probably more chips. This is no option in these times. Also, had every synth 100% modeled its predecessor, there would’ve been no progress at all. It sounds great, and that’s what matters. The music will sound great, the world doesn’t care if it sounds 100% like the original, hell with all the processing and mastering you won’t notice a difference. Hoping it will be cheaper than the Jupiter-X - as it’s already lighter and smaller, if it’s cheaper too I’ll get one FOR SURE and have fun with the 90% accurate sounds!
@@martinjmusic Roland is about the future? I must have missed something as it looked as if they've just been repackaging their Zencore engine in the majority of their releases in recent years while also trading on the branding of their past glories.
@@Answersonapostcard The originals are highly serviceable. There are clones of the voice chips that are even better than the originals. Real instruments that produce the sound musicians want to hear hold their value over time. These digital synths won't. But they sure do look pretty. It's a shame there are so many who don't understand the difference in sound quality. I can tell, even over RUclips.
@@SR-ih1be The "real thing" and its costs of purchase and servicing is not a realistic prospect to most people. Lots of music, commercial hits included is often at least partly created using cheap or free VST or basic synths - it's down to the musicians, producers, mixers etc.To say that anything other than your original Juno is "not real" is just snobbery - a great record is a great record no matter what was used in it's creation.
@@Answersonapostcard It all depends on what your intended results are to be. Most lifelong musicians who are dedicated to their craft care about the sound. It's hardly snobbery, it's knowing what works for them, and having standards. Study any musician in the history of the world, and they have strong opinions about their instruments. I do own plenty of VST plugins, and have for decades. They are fun and occasionally useful, but for the most part they don't inspire me creatively in the way a real analog synth does. I feel the same way about recording real pianos vs. using sample libraries. Of course I have been in situations where I need to use something in the box, but if given a choice I will always pursue what inspires my ears the most. I've been producing since I was a teenager and I know what works for me, personally. I care inordinately about the tone. For 2k you can buy an analog Juno that will be worth multiple times that amount the longer you hold onto it. Sure, lots of commercial music uses digital emulation. Entire genres of music are made entirely in the box. There are artists I respect in those categories. However, lots of modern music also sounds like plastic disposable garbage to me, personally as well. I think the point has already been made but it's worth saying again, that there are several pretty good Juno VSTs on the market that are far more convenient due to the fact that they are already in the computer. I really have no idea why anyone in their right minds would spend 2k on what amounts to a midi controller that is intentionally (quite cynically IMO) made to look like a replica of one of the finest analog synthesizers in the history of music technology. And yes, the JUNO-X is not a real Juno 106, full stop. It sounds like garbage compared to the real thing.
I would really like to know what's the difference or at least the reasoning to choose between the Jupiter - X and the Juno - X. From what i recal in the Jupiter - X there is already a Juno 106 if I'm correct. So the only reason choose the new Juno - X would be layering of multiple Junos together in conjuction with the interface ? Because technically we are talking about the same engines here. Right ?? Thanks in advance
well, the reality is that the Juno X is just cheaper...and a few less buttons. but if you want the other models, jupiter, sh101 etc etc that the Jupiter has, then you will quickly have a Juno X that costs more than the Jupiter X
@@Jason75913 Juno is not a better build quality than the Jupiter X.. but it should be similar and is cheaper, lighter and has less stuff.. spec'd with the same models it (juno) probably costs more
@@mysticsailor9 I would say that there is also the Jupiter XM that is a good middle ground. You loose the after touch and some convenient knobs and buttons but I think you get more variance including the Juno 106 .. and the price is about the same
Nice but my bad experience with the Juno-G display (broken 2 times, have to take it back again for repair before I can sell it), I'm wary about buying anything Roland now.
My Juno-DS' display has been holding up fine for 4 years so far. I've read that the Achilles' heel of the G is the ribbon cable that connects to the display's PCB. Disconnecting and reconnecting it a few times can sometimes solve the issue, supposedy.
I love it! It’s beautiful, it sounds great and tickles the part of my brain where my teenage years resides but I will stick with my proper analog Deepmind 12 at half the price. 👍
The original had space on the ends for speakers, but the speakers are elsewhere on this one. It’s just wasted space they could have used for more controls. Room to rack up a few rails?
You have to re-authorize your sounds every 30 power cycles. WTF? Imagine being at a gig, no internet connection and you can't play your sounds? Are Roland serious?
I’m not sure Roland rep said authorise if you’ve downloaded from the Roland cloud, but I don’t think the built in sounds require authorisation. At least I hope not.
Only if you're renting them through roland cloud. They're not really 'your' sounds unless you've bought the lifetime keys - in which case you won't need to reverify. Would you expect your Game Pass games to keep working if unplugged an Xbox from the Internet for 30 days?
The loving gazes Jack keeps casting upon Andy are so precious.
This has got to be my favourite Anderton's video. It's the obvious joy that Jack experiences as each new feature is revealed. Definitely a small boy in a sweet shop experience!
I am so excited for this instrument!! It sounds amazing and inspiring!
I love these ‘VST in a box’ comments.
Isn’t every digital synth / sampler just a VST in a box?
You pay upwards of £3000 for a Nord or a Yamaha and don’t bat an eyelid that it’s just some samples in a box.
I think it’s an incredible product, and something I’ve been waiting a long time for. Order placed, can’t wait!
don't it just make you go "smh"?...lol..
What these commenters don't know is that just because it says VCF it's no guarantee that the synth is a good sounding machine :) This machine will be my next purchase for sure!
The better ones aren't vst in a box , computer vst models run on something that isn't designed to be synth but to do your word processing on , hardware synths have tailored convertors specific for the job and you can hear the difference
@@cnfuzz When a hardware synthesizer DSP is very fast then we get a very high resolution compared to a VST. Which gives better resolution. And with enough Bits we get high dynamics. And at the end of the chain there is a capacitor that is being loaded and unloaded creating the waveforms. What many don't know is that even a DCO is analogue the only difference is that the pitch is determined by digital. And also no hardware synth is a VST in a box, where do they find the VST library written in C in there? Where do they load other VST? What version of VST 2 or 3? I would like them to show me where they find vst dynamic linked library in the hardware synth ;-)
lol. It doesn't work that way. Enjoy your VST. I'll keep jamming on my Juno DS for now lol.
I have a Jupiter X… and I'm wondering how this isn't PRETTY MUCH the same thing in a new, more affordable, "Juno"-focused hardware package? It's like choosing which chassis and panel layout you prefer (or can afford) for your zen-core engine to reside in. I must say, apparently Roland heard loud & clear how unhappy Jupiter X users have been with the location of the display… it's where it ought to be on this synth.
I’m glad to hear a Jupiter X customer say this. I held off buying the Jupiter X because of the need to deep dive menus. This does that too but at least layer one is tactile.
@@fredmanteghian5913 - well the "one layer is tactile" aspect is true of the Jupiter X also. From the mid-80s through the late 90s I had a deep knowledge of the working of Roland instruments… when I got the Jupiter X I said, OK, what's needed here is an editor app for this… and thankfully now there is one.
totally agree!..the Jupiter X display location is seriously the most boneheaded decision.. i suspect though that putting the extra models into the Juno X would end up with the user paying Jupiter X price at the end of the day..
this is the confusing aspect of this marketing....and the reason I sold my Jupiter Xm and bought a Fantom 6. At the end of the day, the knob per function is only relevant to the one model it's physically based on. After that, it's a terrible interface for Zen-core. The Fantom's touch interface is far better at handling both zen-core and model expansions, and it now has a wavetable synth expansion. I think they need to commit to a zen-core focused synth, and maybe consider limited runs of their analog synths "remastered".
@@rui5421 "At the end of the day, the knob per function is only relevant to the one model it's physically based on. After that, it's a terrible interface for Zen-core."… exactly! Thing is though, this Jupiter X chassis is well-constructed from quality materials, so it's got that going for it.
I incredibly found and bought last year a boxed Juno 60 with midi mod from a retired 80s stockbroker who bought it in '85 and put it away after a demo because it didn't make him an instant pop star. But I see stars every time I play it. Can't beat this analogue breathing beauty.
They're so beautiful eh! I bought mine about 15 years ago for £400 including Kenton dcb midi converter and a flight case. Essentially got the Juno for free 🤣
@@SectorSevenSlumz For sure. The only way to know is to actually play one. Goose bumps every time. Midi mod so good looks factory. 👍🏼
Until they fail, and the choirs noise gets terrible or the filters wobble so much you lose range… the romance of imagined perfection.
As someone who has also subscribed to Roland Cloud and has a Fantom 6 (Not the O which is not suitable for my personal requirements - No NZyme, AT, 2 BMC, No VP etc), this ticks a lot of boxes imo. This is a very focused instrument and the interface is superb and far more than a midi controller. Yes it's Zen core at it's base but with added functions, ACB would have been great but with more limited polyphony. Digital is not second best. It's different. An analogue Juno would probably cost 3k. So many options now, Waldorf Iridium, UDO Super 6. This imo is a contender and I would buy over the Jup X.
I was sold hearing that techno chapter of the video.
2:08 LOLOL!..."And you're here for the whole day so we might do some creepy things as well" 🏆
Dweeby not creepy
Look mommy, my new Roland synth! Looks like an old analog one but is digital, and it’s basically the same as the other one I bought last year, but with different looks plus a few extra sliders, and guess what - it can load sounds that I need keep paying for monthly to a “cloud” for the rest of my life, isn’t that cool? Yeah, son - very cool! I’ll call your doctor right now, just remain calm... And give me the number of that guy, Roland, I need to have some serious words with him!
don't buy it then, misery.
Seriously, every new direction Roland goes in sucks harder and harder . Is Klaus Schwab running the company?
You can get lifetime keys with cloud....
Bro it's the coolest shit they've done in a long time. You don't have to want to buy it while realizing it's great synth. Some people don't have 3+ synths already.
This is literally what everyone's been asking for in a new Juno for years. They finally listened
@@arbogast4950 1) and? You still are forced to connect to cloud or it doesn't work. What if your board loses ability to connect? 2) "lifetime" of what exactly? When Roland moves on in a few years (to supernaturaljupitercoreplus)and dumps your software version with no support, you have a worthless "lifetime" ownership.
Wow! Andertons beat the competition to get their vid on this keyboard first on my radar! I sold my Juno 106 a few years ago after nearly 35 years of service. There's a good reason it lasted so long in my arsenal, and this new beast seems to build on that legendary status.
get a few JU-06A units, much truer to the vintage unit than this thing
Dumbest decision you've ever done. You really think you're going to replace you're 1982 Original Juno 106 with this shit right here? Which is technically the something as a Roland Jupiter X?!
"New beast"
LoL 😆 🤣
Sometimes the noise is nice when the chorus is on, especially when doing bright super saws. Can soften harshness. Love this synth tho! Way to go Roland!
Wow, about time they did a new Juno after all the jupiter models. Still, i will never sell my Juno-60. It's coming to the grave
Take my money!!!! This is like stepping back 40 years when it was generally a better life.
looks amazing but I always wonder why preset programmers never seem to have listened to any contemporary electronic music
I thought the same thing.
Roland knows what we want and they're bending over backwards to not give it to us. It's like, instead of bringing our dead friend back to life (which they absolutely can do), they just troweled some Maybelline on his dead body, took a picture of him, and glued it to the face of a blowup doll and then blew it up with a rocket launcher, just like in "hard ticket to Hawaii". And I forgot where I was going with this, but c'mon Roland! You know what we want, just make an analog Juno already!
An actual modern Juno would be analog core with digital effects added on top.
Why not just buy an old one? Let’s say they do release an analog version, y’all would find something else to complain about. “Ooooo, it has no soul because it sounds too clean”, “Ooooo, it sounds too thin”, “Ooooo, the keys don’t feel the same”. All you “Roland fans” do is complain. Just save your money and buy the originals🤷🏾♂️
@@wunderkyn mostly since the supply of vintage synths is fixed and dwindling, reliability is an issue and repairs aren’t terribly cheap, and modern connectivity would be nice. An analog synth with digital effects, or a hybrid design like the (underrated) JD-XA would be the ideal in a new Juno IMO. I have an old 106 and I love it. But my Point is, Roland is so stubborn on the analog/digital thing that they’re alienating a lot of their customers.
Thanks for the demo! Did you like the keybed on the new Juno X? (I wonder how it compares to the Jupiter X keybed mechanically.) Thanks!
Best Interface of All Time! That about says it all! So many synths have great sounds, but the interface menu diving is garbage. If all you want to play is presets, get a DX whatever. Besides the analog synth tones from days of yore, being able to mod the filter, envelopes and osc mix on the fly made those machines a dream to play. They invided sound sculpting. Glad to see more synth makers not just adding controls, but replicating the designs that have naturally worked for decades.
Can't wait for the fully analog Behringer Deepmind-106 soon to be announced 🤣
isnt that the deepmind 12
@@barncat7943 next will be the Deepmind-X
For a quarter of the price 😂
Lmao, watch them expand the deepmind with actual analog circuitry and tear Roland a new one. I’m all behringer at this point. These legacy brands are so far-fetched now,
BungRinger won't sound anything like it haha. Cheap and cheerful yes.
They are literally selling us the same thing again. Well done Roland’s marketing department.
Well, you can buy classics like piano, violin... or a Juno, Jupiter, JV1080, XV5080.. Nobody complaints that they still sell you the "same piano" that exists for over 200 years, so I think it is legit to sell a Juno for about 40 years (well, all digital Junos before System-8 were not good enough as a Juno emulation, for sure) For many, the quality of the current Juno emulation is now good enough, and if you want 4 Juno sounds multitimbrally, this JUNO-X is a valuable option. Just the price seems a bit too high, and I am sure it will go down to 1500 soon. (And the original is still the best, of course, soundwise).
@@frankjuno8808.I thought they might try something new as their Motto is "redesigning the future'. It feels more 'Redesigning the past' over and over. The Juno X looks good, but we've seen it all before.
SHOUT OUTS TO DYRECK (AKA Native shades)!
I love his videos, he does some of the best gear reviews on the platform. You guys are awesome for that.
Definitely wasn't expecting a reference to Native Shades here.
NOT FALLING FOR THE HYPE LIKE I'VE DONE WITH THE JUPITER-X
The Jupiter X is a bust for you?!
Never buy something for the hype, only for your ears. For me, the jupiter xm sounds gorgeous and its the best synth I have in my arsenal. VST can sound even better than analogue synths with proper EQ and FX. If you want to have the same quality in hardware, you must spend thousands of euros/dollars. At least that is my experience regarding synths. Make music with the tools you like working with and feel inspired, but never fall in the trap of the hype. Actually, I have come to the conclusion that my favourite hardware synths are digital !
I can’t help but think that the Juno and Jupiter X/XM will be Modern Classics.
So true, even the originals were bashed back then. Now everyone wants them 😂 They’ve sold out 3 times now, how many other synths do that?
I’ve got a Juno 106, but from watching this I would just say either pick up one of the many VST Juno emulations or get the boutique Juno off eBay for £250-£300ish
lol, clueless XD
Is the ju06a a true 106 sound ?
@Carlos Araya Music it’s a bit thinner sounding but it’s very close & much cheaper than this
Thanks Jack and Andy. You are Great Ones. After seeing this review 6 times yesterday I ordered the Juno X and it arrives today. @Jack, please stop making such fantastic, useful and entertaining videos because I have no money. It is the third keyboard that I bought after seeing your reviews. NO MORE REVIEW VIDEOS, please!!!! :-) 🙌🙌
This is the update we all wanted and didn't get. They should have made it with ACB and not the subpar ZenCore.
That might come in the next round of Jupiter/Juno/Fantom models 😄
ACB has too many limitations vs Zencore. And no one would notice the differences at a gig or recording
I was a keyboard tech for 37 years. The analog purists must have golden ears to be able to tell the difference between the original analog synths and the digital emulations in a mix with a pile of other instruments. Your non techie listener out on the world will not care where the sound comes from and would not be able to tell the difference. The analog instruments all require thousands of dollars buying external effects units to get them to sound good.
I approach each individual instrument and look for its strengths and find a way to make it musical and useful. Most of the original Juno 106 units I worked on had the filter paks way out of calibration. They came in sounding awful! But their owners thought that sound was somehow better than a digital emulation. They require regular calibration to get them to sound their best. The digital versions do not have that oscillator and filter drift issue. Personally I find the weak part of the digital units are the shrill digital effect circuitry Roland puts into their instruments.
isn't the main point of the analog synths ease of use? They tend to be basic to program and sound great on whatever setting they are. Synths like these new Rolands can sound great but they're so clumsy to use. I don't care if it's analog but im not interested in having 5 synth engines and 800 parameters in my synth. I just want one that sounds great and has a knob for every function.
@@gr3g0r5 I went to the Moogfest In Durham a few years ago where I got to noodle on many analog synth manufactures keyboards. There were several I could not figure out how to get a basic flute like lead sound with portamento, like the Lucky Man sound. Some were not intuitive at all like the original Mini Moog D is. But I agree about new Roland synths being overly complex and hard to find your way around. When a new Roland model came into my shop for warranty repair, I often had to call tech support just to get a quick explanation for how to confirm the customer's complaint was actually a problem and not just operational error. There are only two Roland synths that I found were logical to get around and access edit pages.
If you don't hear the difference between digital and analog, get a decent pair of speakers or visit an audiologist.
@@ZenMountain Well at 67 years old I am sure I have some hearing loss in the high frequencies. Having grown up in Tonawanda, NY where the original Moog factory was located and having owned many old analog synths, and have been a keyboardist all my life and synth tech for 37 years I can certainly tell the difference. But why assume a pure analog synth has a better sound than a digital hybrid or sample based synth? Analog synths are so unstable, you have to warm them up for a half an hour until the tuning settles in. I use Omnisphere now for all of my analog synth sounds. I challenge anyone to tell the difference in a recording layered with many tonal textures. There are good digital synths and bad ones, good analog synths and bad ones. I use whatever fits the music. It is like the ridiculous argument as to which sounds better: vinyl records, open reel tape, or digital. It is all a personal preference. By the way, the original Juno 106 oscillators are digitally controlled. It is the filter paks that drift and create the "analog" quality.
And what are your thoughts on what he mentions around @8:20 about needing to connect to the internet every 30 days to check if your subscription is still active and you're allowed to access your presets?
The dyreck impression had me lol
DyReck AKA Native Shades! 4:45
Roland Boutique? Nah we got Roland BouDONQUE.
Have to say I love it. The layout, the design, the sound, the legacy. It's really a beauty. But seriously Roland? 2000 EUR for what is basically yet another ZEN Core wrapper? Come on!
I am biased being that I am over in the Roland part of the world =P but we love it as well.
Price is a reflection of the current global situation. Not just flat competition. Production price, component scarcity. Everything isn't quite as it was. Viewed as an independent article I think it's so close to what it is actually worth that the margin is debatable. Still, people have lots of options. If they like it cool. If they don't, don't buy it. I'll get it for free, so I don't want to seem too unsympathetic either way. I do however think that Zen-C is a good modern idea (for the performer). Studio and amateur only, will have different points of view.
@@ErraticFaith They could have priced this at 600$ easy. Even 400$. It doesn't have any special hardware, just a vst in a box.
It doesn't need much more than like a rasperry pi to run the synth and a sound card and a few other components that propably cost 100-160$ and the case and keys propably cost 200$ max.
They priced it at 2000$ because it's a nostalgic product and they know they can sell enough of them to make good money.
For 2000$ they easily could have made this an all out analog synth like the Korg Prologue.
@@epicon6 So true. Be interesting to do a side by side comparison test against Deepmind 12 which is less than half the price.
If it was analog then Ok but zencore quality in analog shell for this price? Lol
@@ErraticFaith inflation for eveyone (not really 8%). There is a small OP1 synth, almost a 1000 here, it's a toy compared to this
4:44 hell yes, I love that guy's vids!
yooo, DyReck productions is lit. Thanks for the tip!
Right?! Best Gear Vids on RUclips - thanks for watching and letting me know Plizzle 🙏🏻
I just bought one last week! The synth I've always wanted!!
Jack 'so that's like a little dongle is it?' Roland: 'it's all a dongle.'
Finally a Behringer competitor
Where does the melody loop comes from at 31:10? It's the I-Arpeggio working, but he only played one note. And then a melody started that was more complex than just a normal arpeggio. Is it a pre-programmed melody from Roland? Or did he program it before making the video?
Just got my Roland Juno X today
How do you like it?
It is possible that after you put a few notes in a pattern in the Step sequencer, instead of the pattern remaining with the fixed notes, it will work in another scale as well. like an arpeggiator? That is, to move up and down the scale? Because I can't find any function related to Pitch shift or something
Why don't they do it like Korg and just release a true analogue Juno 106 with 6 voices? That would be at the same time retro and revolutionary and would probably become a huge success.
it certainly would not be revolutionary .. lol given it would be a clone. The JunoX is well worth the sum of its parts.
For the same price point they could have made this an analog synth or at least part analog, part digital.
I know analog modeling technologies are pretty much identical but because there's just a vst inside they could have priced this at 600$, not 2000$
The Korg Prologue 16 is a full on high quality analog poly synth with digital additions and it's in the same pricepoint.
That said i still want one because i love the Roland Clound synths and this is the perfect controller for all compatible synths. And this is free in comparison if i bought original hardware, Juno 106, Juno 60, SH-2 etc
You are still in a 2019 world, welcome to the present.
I loved hearing Jack play home sweet home with all 3 choruses.i love the form but really wanna see model support for Jupiter x owners so you don't have to pay for the other models for the juno
Have the wooden end cheeks been released yet by Roland as mentioned in the vid?
Wow, Roland made a Deepmind clone!! * runs for cover * :)
I laughed way to much at this.
@@k.l.graham5860 LOL :) Cheers
Isn't the Deepmind an actual analogue for less than half the price....🤔
@@synthdude True :)
@@synthdude ya, but not a keyboardists' first choice when no acoustic sounds, which is where the Juno-X has the edge
But then Fantom-0 is so much more for kess money and all the same sounds.
I was intrigued when I first saw the photos, it looks quite nice. But another repackage of Zen-Core at this point, especially at that price, is disappointing. This interface and the ACB Juno engines for less than the system 8 would have been much more compelling imo.
At this point Roland’s dedication to NEVER making anything analog is almost commendable lol
HAHA, at this point it’s almost part of the Roland brand to not give a damn about what the customers are asking for
As long as they have enough buyers they will never deliver what we want. It is like parent saying a kid what is best for them even it is a complete lie.
This attempt is so half assed. Honestly if they were to craft a Juno that has the og components of the 6/60 and 106 the world will be soo happy. Also throw in the sh 101 sequencer you got your self the best poly lol
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Just when I got the Roland Fantom 06 and this comes along lol. Well done Roland!!!
Fantom is the better choice , skip the x
X is a synth, 0 series are workstations. If it is your first keyboard, then 0 series are much better buy, IMO.
Quality midi controller + pirated zencore or acb vst's, profit?
Sounds great looks beautiful. Entertaining demo. Keep rockin fellas. Have to sell a few of my gold teeth and pic one up.
Imagine being on stage, you power up the synth and it asks for authorization so you have to start fiddling with your phone to authorize the sounds you have on there because you've reached the 30th power cycle.... HOW IS THIS A THING?
Because in the future you will own nothing
I have TAL UNO-LX and J-8 VSTs. Why do I need this at 15x the price.
You don’t. Roland are rubbish now
Finally! Thank you Roland.
sounds so beautiful magic.
Yeah yeah yeah. Juno supersaw! 🤩
Is this synth multitimbral ? I so how many channels of midi ? Pls
I've been looking at all the Juno-X promo videos the last couple of days. I'd say at least 75% of the comments are negative. Just sayin....
Dyreck aka native shades!!! Love that dude
i love all this retro futurism! but as a blind person thinking about this keyboard, how much does it rely on the touch screen? cause i'm no good with those..for example the fantom g was totally unusable for me
You'd be far better off with a System-8
Its not a touch screen, so you may be able to memorize the number of button presses to get somewhere. I haven't used one, so not sure how much menu diving is in this.
@@t1merickson i use a fantom x6 a lot and can sequence/do most all the things so i'm sure i could learn this too
Hi, if you are interested in true Roland Analog sounds and are blind, I would highly recommend you look into a JX-3P with the PG-200 controller, which is essentially knobs for the synthesizer parameters. In my opinion you would easily determine what each knob does to each sound and how to control it. Plus it is a very overlooked and less lauded after Roland Synth so can be bought at a reasonable price if you look, or even a steal.
@ghost mall thanks for the reply, this is very interesting to me. I work in web design but never considered accessibility in analog synth music creation. Your setup sounds awesome
this would sit very nicely under my OG SH-101 - eek!
Are all the sliders could be assignable to control a vst For example ?
Jack your the man 💪😎, great podcast, fantastic synth 💯🙌
a lot of people miss the point with zen-core and model expansions in this new format. To a sufficient degree they've emulated the classic sounds, and give you the ability to stack multiple modeled synths on top of each other with independent effects, lfos, and expanded polyphony beyond what was possible with similar priced analog synths. In addition to that is the zen core enjoy that kinda future proofs the synth and gives you more options beyond just the modeled synth. There are a lot of smart gains with zen-core, that allow it to be priced reasonably, compared to other brands charging the same or more for a 6 voice poly synth, or 12 voice max. I just really want them to figure out the marketing so the goal of these synths makes sense
oh wow, all pro's must be stupid, to intend the priority to analog sound.
zencore is overrated and digital. nothing - absolutely nothing compares to analog synthesizers - not even "overpriced copies" of rolands cloud crap.
[...]charging the same or more for a 6 voice poly synth, or 12 voice max...[...]
6 voice analog sounds better as every roland cloud plug in/out emulation.
only who never played a juno 6/60 can talk such a bullshit.
I’ve never seen Jack more smitten at a bit of kit! 👽🦆 🍓
Me no understanding zis... Why did not they make a dam super stable modern DCO synth with the classic analog filters, some more modulation, also some digital magic oscillator engine in addition. Basically they are selling a keyboard with the colorscheme...
DID NOT SEE THIS COMING! WOW!
The rear panel jacks look exactly like the Jupiter-Xm/Jupiter-X. I guess the innards are the exact same too only difference is not as many models included and you have to pay for them?
it is _exactly_ a reskinned Jupiter-X
Hello!! I am curious to know if this is a limited time synth? I want to buy it bur not right now, idk if it has limited time on sale, if it does ill try to get it as soon as possible:0
does this come with all the same patches as the Juno 106?
A thing of beauty
I think its about time Andertons did giveaways lol.......to me hehe
I have a zenology pro. And then I have my analog hardware. I’m not sure why I’d want this?
Is it fair to call it a repack of the same stuff?
Paying for more synth sounds is so lame. I want to love this synth because i love Roland and Boss but synth expansions are a no for me.
Why not just have a midi controller and use plugins?
just skip over this junk? got older Roland gear you love? stick to it, simple as that
Yeah nowadays its kinda lame lol back in the day I can understand. I've only got a Nord Stage 3 and this is officially my last synth if I'm ever going to buy a new Synth it may be the System-8 nothing else but its highly unlikely I would get one lol. There is literally no point.
@@Jason75913 I'll stick to getting a new Behringer synth when they finally get released 😅
Boss eventually listened to the fans and did the waza craft line. If Roland went analog again then it would sell like crazy
I’m gonna say it. It’s just a zencore extension.
So, this is technically a Roland Jupiter-X in a different box
I had a 106 back in the 80s It was OK.. I also had my OBXa which is the holy grail but this is really great New Jupiter 8 would be my choice...
C'est pour nous les jeunes des années 80's 🔊🔊🔊👍🏻
Can you use the pitch drift/aging functionality with thw XV-5080, RD-Piano, and
Vocoder as well?
Another good video
Roland : "We don't try to catch ghosts from the past."
So they chase a ghost with the ghost of a ghost in the shell of a ghost 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t how you could justify paying $2k for this when the Fantom-06 does more for $500 less.
@ghost mall Likewise I think ACB on the TR-8S does a better 808 too.
And doesn't the Roland Jupiter-X have a Zencore Juno 106 in there? WTF is Roland Doing?!!!!!
@@tuneunleashed it does.
The Deepmind 12 is $900.
@@tuneunleashed On the Jupiter-X, some Juno parameters can not be addressed directly, like Chorus type, PWM MOD source (you need to use the menu for these, or SysEx). And some controls of the Jupiter-X do nothing on the Juno-Model. For people who want as much JUNO knob-per-function behavior, this is the right thing. But I agree, the price is a little bit too high, regarding Jupiter-X (which has got a nice Jupiter-X model now, too, with optional Juno OSC and also the new Juno-Chorus types etc...) or the Fantom-0. But keep in mind that you need to buy the Juno model for the Fantom-0 (150 €), and now there are Juno-Model and Juno-X-Model, and only the X-Model gives you velocity sensivity, for example. I don't know if the Jupiter-X-Model or Juno-X-Model will be available for the Fantom in future.. So no velocity on the Fantom Vintage models, then (at this time).
Hi Jack.. Really great content as usual.. HOWEVER, looking at the Australia price where I live it turns out the JUNO X is over $3000.... A ridiculous price as always from Roland.. Honestly, I have so much and owned so much Roland gear but for gods sake Roland. Your taking the piss. There are so many better offerings out there. Never look through rose tinted glasses.
Remember that here in Oz it's always the case of the classic Aussie rip off in that the price of everything is jacked up because Aussies generally don't bother questioning when they're getting ripped off, particularly in this day and age!
The classic Aussie rip off strikes again!
Okay Duxbury. We know you're a Nord Stage chap and now we know you're a Juno chap too. Would love to know what the entire Duxbury Deluxbury rig looks like.
Jack's back!!!
Gotta hand it to Roland. They have, in recent years, made an artform out of never really nailing all aspects of a synth. These new ZenCore synths look great with their metal enclosures but sound pathetic next to the older, ugly, plastic but superior sounding System 8. The older ACM technology is far better than this zencore crap but for some reason Roland is hellbent on discontinuing all products with ACM. Please Roland, make a synth that looks like the Jupiter X but has the better sounding ACM modeling! How hard can it be? You literally have the parts for it already.
I think at this point it’s clear that Roland is all about the future. And ZenCore is maybe 90% true to the original, but takes it so much further. It’s not about 100% accuracy, but the possibilities and polyphony.
ACB uses more processing power, meaning you would need more powerful, probably more chips. This is no option in these times.
Also, had every synth 100% modeled its predecessor, there would’ve been no progress at all. It sounds great, and that’s what matters. The music will sound great, the world doesn’t care if it sounds 100% like the original, hell with all the processing and mastering you won’t notice a difference.
Hoping it will be cheaper than the Jupiter-X - as it’s already lighter and smaller, if it’s cheaper too I’ll get one FOR SURE and have fun with the 90% accurate sounds!
@@martinjmusic So exactly what % of your playing is "with all the processing and mastering"?
@@martinjmusic the system-8 had ACB with 8 voices of polyphony and multi timberality
@@martinjmusic Roland is about the future? I must have missed something as it looked as if they've just been repackaging their Zencore engine in the majority of their releases in recent years while also trading on the branding of their past glories.
Zen core is for mass production but its flagships are just to expensive taking in account that analog > digital = acb > zencore...
So can it Hardstyle just like JP8000/8080 ?
Looks lovely, but that's about it. The bottom line is that my ears can hear the difference, which is why the real thing stands the test of time.
until it breaks
@@Answersonapostcard The originals are highly serviceable. There are clones of the voice chips that are even better than the originals. Real instruments that produce the sound musicians want to hear hold their value over time. These digital synths won't. But they sure do look pretty. It's a shame there are so many who don't understand the difference in sound quality. I can tell, even over RUclips.
@@SR-ih1be The "real thing" and its costs of purchase and servicing is not a realistic prospect to most people. Lots of music, commercial hits included is often at least partly created using cheap or free VST or basic synths - it's down to the musicians, producers, mixers etc.To say that anything other than your original Juno is "not real" is just snobbery - a great record is a great record no matter what was used in it's creation.
@@Answersonapostcard It all depends on what your intended results are to be. Most lifelong musicians who are dedicated to their craft care about the sound. It's hardly snobbery, it's knowing what works for them, and having standards. Study any musician in the history of the world, and they have strong opinions about their instruments. I do own plenty of VST plugins, and have for decades. They are fun and occasionally useful, but for the most part they don't inspire me creatively in the way a real analog synth does. I feel the same way about recording real pianos vs. using sample libraries. Of course I have been in situations where I need to use something in the box, but if given a choice I will always pursue what inspires my ears the most. I've been producing since I was a teenager and I know what works for me, personally. I care inordinately about the tone. For 2k you can buy an analog Juno that will be worth multiple times that amount the longer you hold onto it. Sure, lots of commercial music uses digital emulation. Entire genres of music are made entirely in the box. There are artists I respect in those categories. However, lots of modern music also sounds like plastic disposable garbage to me, personally as well. I think the point has already been made but it's worth saying again, that there are several pretty good Juno VSTs on the market that are far more convenient due to the fact that they are already in the computer. I really have no idea why anyone in their right minds would spend 2k on what amounts to a midi controller that is intentionally (quite cynically IMO) made to look like a replica of one of the finest analog synthesizers in the history of music technology. And yes, the JUNO-X is not a real Juno 106, full stop. It sounds like garbage compared to the real thing.
31:07 kicks completely ass :) Roland will allways be the best
I would really like to know what's the difference or at least the reasoning to choose between the Jupiter - X and the Juno - X. From what i recal in the Jupiter - X there is already a Juno 106 if I'm correct. So the only reason choose the new Juno - X would be layering of multiple Junos together in conjuction with the interface ? Because technically we are talking about the same engines here. Right ?? Thanks in advance
Juno-X is supposedly better build quality and more "giggable", otherwise, the same internally
well, the reality is that the Juno X is just cheaper...and a few less buttons. but if you want the other models, jupiter, sh101 etc etc that the Jupiter has, then you will quickly have a Juno X that costs more than the Jupiter X
@@Jason75913 Juno is not a better build quality than the Jupiter X.. but it should be similar and is cheaper, lighter and has less stuff.. spec'd with the same models it (juno) probably costs more
@@mysticsailor9 I would say that there is also the Jupiter XM that is a good middle ground. You loose the after touch and some convenient knobs and buttons but I think you get more variance including the Juno 106 .. and the price is about the same
I soured on Roland after the D-50. However, this box sounds just incredible!
Does it has seamless transition feature when changing the sound (like Fantom has) ?
If I remember right from other videos I watched, the answer is yes.
Nice but my bad experience with the Juno-G display (broken 2 times, have to take it back again for repair before I can sell it), I'm wary about buying anything Roland now.
My Juno-DS' display has been holding up fine for 4 years so far. I've read that the Achilles' heel of the G is the ribbon cable that connects to the display's PCB. Disconnecting and reconnecting it a few times can sometimes solve the issue, supposedy.
Awesome! ⭐
GAS despite having the Jupiter X :) I guess I just love the concept of renewing the classics like this.
like with boutique ... you can process the same thing in free custom-NIreaktor-patches ..
its just wrapped in funky plastic
I hope SynthMania will do some A/B-Video.
I love it! It’s beautiful, it sounds great and tickles the part of my brain where my teenage years resides but I will stick with my proper analog Deepmind 12 at half the price. 👍
Sounds good to me . And I had the Juno 106. Guys( to the bla bla bla , not so analog , etc ) if you have good ideeas......it's allllll coool.:)))),
Why do I almost feel more sold on this vs their video of the jupiter x? so torn on which to get
The original had space on the ends for speakers, but the speakers are elsewhere on this one. It’s just wasted space they could have used for more controls. Room to rack up a few rails?
You have to re-authorize your sounds every 30 power cycles. WTF? Imagine being at a gig, no internet connection and you can't play your sounds? Are Roland serious?
Haha yeah I also was like WHAT THE ACTUAL FK.
I hate the idea of buying a 2000+ dollar synth and having DLC or to authenticate or whatever. Gross.
What ? Really?
I’m not sure Roland rep said authorise if you’ve downloaded from the Roland cloud, but I don’t think the built in sounds require authorisation. At least I hope not.
@@fredmanteghian5913 no, no they dont.. but i think 30 days is silly.. 90 would be sensible..if at all.
Only if you're renting them through roland cloud. They're not really 'your' sounds unless you've bought the lifetime keys - in which case you won't need to reverify.
Would you expect your Game Pass games to keep working if unplugged an Xbox from the Internet for 30 days?