BrainScratch: The Springfield Three
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John, my step-mother knew these women. We're from Springfield. She doesn't have any information unfortunately, but she says thank you so much for covering this case. :)
+Brie H I asked my step mom to talk about it more. Apparently the "celery-colored van" was only remembered under hypnosis, which is just as proficient at creating false memories as it is at recalling real ones. She also says that Cox's girlfriend says that she was forced to lie about an alibi for that night. I don't know much about those, but I dug up a reddit thread that has some more information here and sort of echoes what my step-mother said: www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/2d4zi1/the_springfield_three/
I believe that they're under the Cox parking structure, myself, not based on anything other than the testimony of the GPR operator saying that they looked like what he had seen in cemeteries.
+Brie H I also came across Cox's ex saying she was coerced into giving him an alibi. She recanted it, and they interviewed him again. That's when he said he "knows they're dead". He was brought in front of a grand jury in 1994 about his possible involvement, but I can't find much else about it. I need a library with good newspaper records from the time.
I also saw a couple posts that said 3 Springfield police uniforms went missing at the same time. I'd love to validate that.
+Bleu Meanie oh! I never found that and my step-mother apparently hadn't heard that about her recanting it.
I dont know what to believe for sure with this. I'd like to hope that they're okay but we know how these cold cases usually turn out in the end.
Yep, I've been expecting them to come home since I was 9, and it's hard to think they may never come home alive, or at all. So many people who need closure, and we may never know what happened to them.
But I'm not done looking until I find an answer or die trying.
+Brie H Thank you Brie (and thanks to my researcher on this Bleu Meanie). My best to you and your step-mother.
I moved to Springfield in 1994 and the only rumor I ever heard about this was the story about PFI and a shady ex-boyfriend (of Sherrill's). Everything I have watched and read has glossed over that possibility. The Cox garage was never mentioned until a couple of years ago and it almost seems like that theory has taken over. It seems more likely that someone they knew got them all into a van. That is much more likely than a stranger trying to kidnap 3 people at once. Springfield is a small town and someone knows something. I have to wonder what is going on with the police department. They have not exactly been leading the charge to get this resolved so I have to wonder if one of their own is involved or is friendly with whom ever is involved.
juliemarie: Same as my thoughts.
If it they willingly went with someone they knew then why would they leave their purses?
Apparently Sheryl had been outside refinishing furniture in her carport that evening. There was a Peeping Tom in their neighborhood that very night only 3 doors down from their home. Bundy and BTK began as Peeping Toms. The Peeping Tom was mentioned in the original Police Report.
I did some research and learned that all three purses were found in Suzie's room. I can understand the two girls but why would the mothers purse be in her daughters room?
A lot of friends and family were in the house before police got there. They went through the purses to see if they could figure out where they went. Sherrill had a hundred dollars and a bunch of uncashed checks still in her purse.
Lots of people had been in the house before police were even called. Lots of potential evidence may have been erased.
The purses were NOt found in the "daughters room". They were found by the stair bannister in the living area.
No.@Donna Grimes, they were found at the stair bannister in the living area.
@@gaylejordan9222 Stair banister? There's only 1 level in the house.. or am I missing something?
This is so weird that I caught this video because I've only been interested in the Elisa lam videos.
I spent every summer with my grandparents in Springfield , Mo. one summer , after dinner I was talking a walk around the neighborhood. I started to get the feeling someone was watching me (I was 11) and was also wearing a Walkman. I looked out the the corner of my eye and a guy was coming out of the passenger side of a van coming at me while another man was still driving the van. I ran as fast as I could into a strangers house ; where I watched this guy get back in the van and took off. The people's house I ran in to was an old couple who called my grandpa , and he came and picked me up. They called the police but I don't remember anything else coming from it. It was pure intuition that told me to run that day.
Jess what year was that? And do you remember what the Van looked like?
This is one of the most haunting and heart breaking cases. I really hope for the sake of the families and at some point this will be solved.
Agreed
Cary Stayner was able to abduct, control and then murder a mom, daughter, and a family friend, all by himself...Just to note that it is definitely possible to control 3 women. And, like you said, this would probably be accomplished by threatening to hurt one, if the other does anything wrong.
I don't think it's strange that the door was unlocked. I am put off by the fact that Janelle's boyfriend swept up the glass on the porch. It's not about him helping them out by cleaning up that I don't understand. They went there specifically to make sure everyone was ok and got home alright and the first thing they see is broken glass and his first reaction is to clean it? That seems wrong. I think that would have been a red flag and lead to a more panic search for them inside. Then once they realized their friends are gone but all their stuff is there and weird messages (that she deleted) they would have known something wasn't right and called police. Something isn't right about that.
+TingleBelleASMR Good points!
+GeekenDorx thanks! Just realized it was Stacy McCalls mother who erased the message not Jenelle. Either way, still fishy to me.
+TingleBelleASMR Great thinking.
+TingleBelleASMR I also think it's weird Mike cleaned up the glass, but this was before major crime shows were huge, and we all felt we knew CSI crime procedure. Maybe he is just that nice of a guy?
Some people think Janelle did erase messages off of Sherrill's machine, but she erased her own messages because she was leaving messages she didn't want anyone to hear. I don't know how to feel about their actions that day. If my chain smoking friend left their purse and cigarettes I'd be worried.
+Bleu Meanie Hi just my two cents there is something about broken glass. Maybe I'm alone in this but it would be my first reaction to clean it up too. Just like a natural thing. Maybe my love for animals Idk ? I saw a video of abandon house (Tiki Trex) and had anxiety about all the broken glass. Maybe he felt the same way ?
Great job John! I think to cover this any better you would have had to make this Brainscratch 3 hours long. 😊
I think David Allen Coe got a shout out because, he was known as "The Outlaw Country Singer", and was thought to be at this biker rally they were talking about. Maybe he saw something?
+Bleu Meanie Thank you for all your hard work on this Bleu Meanie. You did a FANTASTIC job!
Bleu Meanie Bleu Meanie the PFI theory has always been what I’ve leaned towards. Sherrill worked there and the owner Randy has a lot of power in sgf. Not saying there’s any motive for making her disappear, let alone her daughter and her daughters best friend, but a lot of people believe he had some role in this. A close family friend who works at PFI tells me about weird things that happen in the attic all the time. Several employees have experienced weird things there regarding the paranormal.
Hey Bleu Meanie, are you still there?
@@themodrocker1 Sherrill never worked at PFI.
@@thatgirlsadventures8331 I am! Sorry, I just saw this comment.
Most definitly this is a murder case the fact he took them to a second location screams murder. I heard a detective say once never let them take you to a second location.
Yes...scream, fight...bite...but getaway!
This sounds like old South, everyone leaves their doors unlocked, people clean up a mess because they're neighborly
I am extremely disappointed the police won't allow the core sample. If there a little chance that those women are there, they should go with it. It is just a sample.
This case has always been at the top of the list for me. A true brain scratch
It really is!! How does 3 people go missing without a trace?? Sadly, people go missing all of the time, but 3 women at the same time!!? Very troubling!
Anomalies similar to bodies hidden with concrete in a construction site. Isn't this a common way for organized crime to hide dead bodies? So, even if they rule out the possibility that those anomalies are the three girls' bodies, I think they must still chek what it is, if there is a suspect of hidden corpses... It could be from another crime, so...
There are anomalies in all pours. The tip was so random and out of the blue. So silly to think a psychic.
Pink Ribbon, I agree. I used to live in Springfield and when I asked a few of my local friends about this case, they all said they figured the women are in the foundation of some part of Cox South. That hospital is HUGE so I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't multiple people/evidence hidden there...it seems like a pretty sufficient way to get rid of something if you allow yourself to think like a criminal.
I live in Springfield also, and the garage was just a rumor that so many people fell for. All you have to do is look at the dates that it was poured, vs the date the women disappeared, and see that there is no way it is connected. That is why the Police haven't dug it up.
I understand the police wouldn't necessarily act on a tip called in by a psychic but since the tip was confirmed by the ground penetrating radar, I don't understand why the police wouldn't at least take a core sample to detect the presence of human remains.
Sorry but a prank call?? Just happens to be to a house where 3 people vanished the same day? Thats a big coincidence.
Couldn't they check phone records?
Why would the abductor/killer call and leave a message?
Especially in the hours following the women’s disappearance?
IMO the last thing on the offenders mind would be calling the victims home.
I can’t believe he/they would leave their voice for LE scrutiny.
Janel answered a “nasty” call and hung up.
The phone rang again and Janel handed it to Mike.
When the caller heard a male voice, they hung up.
Janel described the caller to LE as sounding “teenish”.
The message inadvertently erased by Stacy’s mom was of the same nature according to Mrs McCall and LE.
@@lydiapetra1211 only long distance calls.
Southwestern Bell didn’t have a system in place to identify local calls.
Another reason “prank” calls were so common like John described.
@@amandanegrete1306 that’s happened plenty of times
@@donaldvonglitchenberger4108 on the occasions it’s happened, wasn’t the intention for someone to hear it?
Janelle hung up on him.
Mrs. McCall inadvertently deleted the answering machine message.
If the individual(s) responsible for the women’s disappearance pranked Janelle and left a “lewd” message, what was the point?
If it was the abductor/killer wouldn’t he have made further efforts to have his “message” heard?
Call while LE was in the home etc.
If the abductor wanted to be heard, he’d have called again or even contacted the newspaper or tip line IMO.
I was in college there in Springfield when this happened. My parents lived close to there this took place. I've been following this story ever since. I am so surprised that there have been no large scale petitions, pickets, protests, or lawsuits against the police department for obstruction. . Getting national media focused on the hospital/police department during a large protest of some sort might get the ball rolling on the parking garage. It is a very sad story.
Can definitely attest to the small town mentality where people leave doors unlocked and or walk right in. I grew up in a small town in the 80/90s and we always left our door unlocked. Also, agreed about the cigarettes as I used to smoke (quit 6 years ago) I would take them with me everywhere.
+Erica Bradshaw I lived in a small town in the 80s and during the day it was doors unlocked including the cars but at night everything was locked up.. Normally did the nightly tour to lock the cars and doors.
Springfield aint really a town small enough to do that. Its about 200,000 people, its the 3rd largest city in Missouri
Oh wow. Let me just say that this is really a type of Brainscratch that should be in a longer format. A really really interesting case. It is a scary thought to have three people just taken like that from home. I am yet to go through links but these were not random home invasions. How did the girls get to the house? Driving?
They were probably targeted before and followed. Thinking that by the time they got to the house, Sherrill Levitt was probably sleeping. They might have went to sleep themselves. Don't you think that it might be someone who knows them? Even if girls were followed and they saw them enter the house, how would the perpetrator know or not know that there is not a man or more men present in the house? Would the person expect them being alone, or at least that there is no man in the house?
What bothers me is the risk factor of someone taking three people into a van or whatever even during the night. At some point you would have to come as close as you can to the house without being seen or noticed by anybody that could or would remember the make or model of the vehicle, enter the house, gather and control three people without struggle or calls for help (I imagine that screams for help would be supported by at least some signs of struggle, of which there are none), take them to the vehicle, which at this point has to be a van, control the two while the third one drives and never actually be seen again.
Were they sleeping when the break in occured? The bed show signs of it. What about Sherrill? She had her own room? If they weren't in the same room it would be so hard to get all three of them by just one person. If you try and take the younger ones, the mother can get alerted, if you go for the mother, the girs could get alerted. So much risk to bare by just one person. No, there had to be more people involved. The porchlight glass could have been shattered during struggle if they were carrying them out. That has to be a sign of struggle because why breaking the glass and not destroying the bulb if it was intentional.
I have a few answers/suspicions... Suzie and Stacy drove their own cars home from the party. The next day all 3 cars were in Sherrill's driveway.
Suzie was about to testify against Dustin Recla and Michael Clay in the grave robbing case, but it doesn't seem like something you'd kill over. Though Michael said he wished them dead.
Sherrill's blinds were opened. Her window faced the front of the house. Suzie's blinds looked like someone had peeked out of them. Maybe the perp broke it and they heard it. Also Suzie's TV was on, but the volume wasn't. Maybe so she could hear what was going on?
+Branko Petek Yes, I think John should do a weekly 2 hour podcast (just audio) and have it on itunes and other podcast carriers. He treats cases like this and other unsolved mysteries with respect and dignity. He is always objective and looks at both sides of controversies and never ridicules unpopular theories be they allegations of conspiracy or cover up. That is what sets him apart from so many others--an open mind to really look and see if there is merit to alternative points of view and not just going along with mainstream ideas just because if you don't people will scoff. There are bad people out there and that includes people who are supposed to be considered credible in corporate, political, law enforcement and media as well. They aren't exempt from corruption and evil simply because they rose to high levels and I love that John recognizes that therefore doesn't laugh off any idea without investigating it's possibility. He doesn't act like he's a know it all like so many do in the podcasting arena, at least some of the true crime and unsolved mystery genre.
+msvick66 I agree with everything you said, except audio only. I would miss seeing the GeekendorX cave. He has so much cool stuff. (I have noticed an autographed? picture of Lt. Commander Worf, Michael Dorn. So jelly) And with 4 shows I'm not sure 2 hours is feasible, but a 50-60 minute live stream or something like that would be awesome!
I want him to keep his current youtube shows, just was thinking he could do an audio podcast on some of the more complex cases and perhaps it would be a little easier on him if he doesn't have to do video too when it's a longer one. Would love to have at least an hour that could be listened to in the car or at work or at bedtime.I listen to a few true crime podcasts and can definitely say John's approach is a lot less biased and that would be a welcome thing. Guess 2 hours would be a greedy request, but I love listening to him, lol.
msvick66 I totally understand. That's exactly why I respect John so much. Sometimes RUclipsrs do video with an audio podcastie version. I'm not a big podcast listener, but I could change lol. He said he has some ideas on the cases that have a lot to them. I can't wait to see what he's come up with.
I’ve always been convinced it was someone at the party that followed the girls back home. I have a huge hunch. The mom was abducted and killed just for being there as collateral.
NoOneHasThisNamee: If one studies the full account of everything that was said and done by the two girls from the time they went to the parties until they decided to go to Suzie's place, the facts are like a Maze. I believe there was some shuffling of intents, facts, and stories told to various people by the girls. WHY is the question. One guess: All along they intended to deceive and change plans, possibly to meet up with people they should not have.
@@gaylejordan9222 that's what I was thinking, the plan change struck me as odd for sure
Not at all weird for a graduation party. This was exactly like mine. I went with several friends to the party and plans changed several times. I ended up sleeping in a tent with 4 other classmates I talked to just before going to bed because I didn't wante to sleep in my buddy's car. This is absolutely normal for a high school party for plans to change where you sleep.
with everything I have heard throughout the couple videos I have watched on this case, I have a feeling that a police officer or someone that works for the system in Springfield might have been involved. It is just odd to me that they dont want to do any DNA testing or the core samples.... pretty fishy
The Springfield 3, Elisa Lam and Missy Bevers cases haunt me the most.
Same
@55debacle1 Franklin Yes the Delphi girls. So sad what happened. Hope they get the guy.
same but I would add amy lynn bradley at number 4
Springfield Three
Stevie Branch, Chris Byers and Michael Moore of West Memphis, AK
Karlie Gusè missing from Bishop, CA.
St Louis Jane Doe (Precious Hope) found decapitated in St Louis, Mo. ‘83
Andrew Gosden, from Doncaster, UK last seen at Kings Cross station London.
Relisha Rudd, missing from Washington DC area.
Dulce María Alavez, missing from New Jersey.
Brandon Lawson, missing from Missouri City, Tx.
Amy Billig, Coconut Grove, FLA.
Asha Degree, vanished from Shelby, NC at age 9.
There are a lot of missing people and we want them all found.
The above cases I check for updates regularly.
Sadly I don’t believe Sherill, Suzie and Stacy will ever be found.
I really hope I’m wrong.
I watch the disappeared TV show about this and I don't know what to think because. Somebody is lying about something
What's so terrible is the two girls weren't supposed to be there...so who knew they decided to go back to the house? I think the women knew their killer(s) and it wasn't random (cases like this are hardly ever random) I have been following this case for some time..good job in covering this.
Everything points to them knowing the perpetrator. No struggle, no blood, they went willingly maybe under a ruse of some kind, or like you said there could have been 2 perpetrators, one of them armed.
"don't do anything stupid. Back up and get us out of here." I don't know. Sounds kind of Hollywood to me.
I like the way you incorporate giving back to the community (putting this info out and re-energizng these cases) & making YT videos. I've watched around 10-12 of your videos and have subcribed.
My opinion on this one is the cops are not involved in the murder but involved in the cover-up. I am around 97% they were murdered. I believe that they are in the concrete of the Cox hospital. If they had been murdered then say dumped out in the middle of nowhere wild animals/buzzards/dogs would have found and possibly alerted a human.
Like I said, just my opinion.
I believe there is more to the story of why the girls left the party. My graduation night I had no idea where I was going to sleep, nor did I care. Actually, now that I think about it I don't recall where I ended up sleeping, if I did sleep at all. When your young, especially on an occasion such as H.S. grauation, your mind will tell your body it can handle not sleeping.
Another issue I have with this case is why would a police dept. go out and spend their money on a van, have it painted, and place somewhere; not let an engineer, whom has been proven to be of the utmost professional in his field, do core samples in a parking area. Especially, when the case is stalled and you have nothing else.
I own an asphalt/concrete paving business around 2 hours south of Missouri. The core samples would not interfere with the structural integrity of the parking deck. Basically what they would do was drill a 6" hole through the concrete and stick a camera down the hole similar to what a plumber uses.
The police dept, IMHO is hiding something. Spend $3000 on a damn van that they don't even know if that's the make/model or color but will not allow something that requires no effort on their part.
Anyways, keep up the good work and thank you for what you do!
Thanks so much, and welcome to the channel!
we had caller id in 1990, they didn't have it. I was in college in Springfield when they went missing There were posters everywhere. Springfield wasn't that great of a town, when I was there, my car plus 4 others were set on fire, no arrests, also, I was robbed, along with about 50 homes, all of this happened a couple years after they went missing. The thief was caught, arsonist, no 4 to 5 car fires, a hardees dumpster set on fire with rent a cops at hardees, and, nothing. Nice police work!!!
All of this happened to you while you were attending College there? What a drama queen!
Sorry, @@TheBlacksheep2020, I have first hand experience with Springfield, MO, and what Erin reports is totally within the realm of probabilities. The populous is rather dull-witted, unsophisticated and pliable by authority compared to any American Metro Area, and the authorities take advantage of that.
if jimmy Hoffa was said to be in that concrete they'd take the fuckin samples
This is 26 years ago. Almost to the day and it still is haunting. My boyfriend and I at the time went to tractor pull in springfield. We went through Eldo Springs then hit Collins Mo turned south at Collins. I went in to get ice cream cone at a gas station at 13 highway head south and I see that picture and story in paper. It had just happened. I believe this day was June 9th maybe, so it was a very very fresh happening. Omg, to this day. I will never forget that having happened and the paper with the story all all bout it.. It was so sad. Myself being 18 at time. It hit me kinda hard. And made me scared a bit and uneasy cause the year be for we had our own resident of our town come up missing. Both disappearances having not been solved to this day. I will never forget that pic of those 3 women tho. I see they still have those pics up some places in Springfield to this day. .(2018) but few are still up. Back then tho they were everywhere in every little hole in wall and business in town for years, my town even had them up. I live 100 miles away NW of Springfield. I think I read in paper a couple years ago they have been presumed all dead. So fucking sad. And haunting indeed. My prayers are with them all forever. My heart will always be broken for them.
Organized crime uses concrete to hide stuff in construction sites, and unions run together. Police has unions also. Everything does run together at some point.
Sadly it's obvious there all dead but not found :(
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Shut up grammer Nazi, you get the point
Its not though, sometimes disappearances, murders etc are not what they seem to be.
Sometimes the only thing that disappear are names, locations, and "victims"...even some "prisoners" are imprisoned long enough to film and then vanish. There are many different things out there. Sometimes people are helped to disappear.
Big case, it made news in Britain also!
Hello. I live in Willow Springs Mo, which is an hour and a half south of Springfield. I remember this case very well. I remember waking up and hearing about this on the news. I remember months after their disappearances thinking that none of this ever made any sense back than, and, it still doesn't to this day. To me, Cox Medical parking lot would be the best bet. I say dig it up and let these women's families have some kind of closure after all these years. My prayers go out to the families.
Other than the guy with the cement tester thing why would the hospital be a good spot ? I just want to know
@@tee2x965 because at the time of their disappearances, they were doing alot of construction at the hospital. Perfect place to make a body disappear.
@@dorothyseay7990 but the parking garage at Cox Hospital wasn’t poured until 6 months after the women disappeared.
this is by far thee most baffling case i have ever heard. and all these years they still havent gotten into the hospital concrete?? idk?? i have been following it since about 2y in and every once in a while i google it.
the only theory i had was that someone used this address in a lie to protect others aka a narc situation. like someone randomly pointed out the house and with graduation going on thought police would be busy and the night would be good. because nothing else makes sense. (not that my theory is unique)
like i said the most baffling case i ever heard. makes no damn sense.
Growing up in the Springfield area, I've heard so much about this disappearance over the years. I've done some research myself and it always makes me wonder if the truth of what happened to those women will ever be known. I'm glad that you came across this story and chose to look into it. It's good to know someone from a different part of the country wants to keep the conversation going so that it's not forgotten. As you mentioned, Springfield has definitely not forgotten. I can think of a handful of local businesses and restaurants that to this day have to original missing persons flyer in their window.
+Brittany Bergman I'm happy to hear about those businesses. I just wish the investigators would do more work into finding out what happened here, and maybe it would help if they ran into those posters a little more often. Take care Brittany.
This is such a confusing case that has taken so many twists & turns. I wish they would check the Cox Hospital parking garage for any remains that may or may not be there. If that part of the hospital was under construction at the time these women went missing- that's highly suspicious. I think the fact that Suzie and Stacey arrived at Suzie's home late that night indicates whatever happened started there. I wonder if someone knocked on their door or like the Disappeared show said maybe Robert C Cox used his status as a employee of the gas company & said there was a leak luring all three women out into the night. I also think he may be lying about knowing where the women are buried and wants attention. It is quite astouding to think 3 adult women went missing from the same location and almost 25 years later no trace of them has been found. It's not a good sign their purses and cars were left behind and a shame message was accidentally deleted off the answering machine. I hope the families get closure one day. It's as if they vanished into thin air!!!!!
Janelle Kirby called, no one answered, so she had her boyfriend drive her over there?
Why? If no one answered, isn’t the most logical explanation that they’re not there? Wouldn’t the next logical step be to check someplace else?
Also, I've never been able to understand WHY Janelle was already up that early the next morning. She said the party went on late into the night and they were all going to white water the next morning. Just confused as to why she was already up and trying to find them that early in the morning.....
I think they were supposed to go to a party with classmates in Branson that night but all three decided not to go and wait until the morning to drive to Branson.
Sky She and Mike set off my hinky meter big time.
They were coming to get them for a trip to a water park that day, or so they say.
She's a..........MORNING PERSON.
Obviously evil whether she had anything to do with it or not.
Amy Ashley HAHA I loved this comment because A. It’s obvious that they aren’t suspicious and B. I hate morning people
What difference would it make if the original tipster was a person that claimed to have had a dream or claimed to be psychic? Current technology has determined that there is something underneath the concrete in that parking garage. If the detectives are worried about how they'd look possibly giving credence to the paranormal, again, so what? If bodies are found they've a new lead and it seems the tax payers are willing to have the garage looked into. How successful would a defense attorney be able to get evidence ruled inadmissible because of the means that lead to it's discovery if that evidence were the bodies? Surely there must have been some advances to ground penetrating radar technology by now that could provide an even less invasive scan of the area then before so maybe they wouldn't even have to tear up the concrete.
Exactly. This irritates the hell out of me that this lead hasn't been followed up. You'd think with all the rumors and suspicion that the hospital would insist that the police at least take samples. If nothing comes of it, then it would cease to be a topic of conversation.
That's why I am wanting to do a pickit at that parking garage! But I would like to have more pepol then me there.
You go ahead and "pickit" away at a parking garage that was poured almost a YEAR after they disappeared. lol, you won't look like an idiot i promise.
the hospital tip came from a psychic, that is a worthless tip. Scan any parking lot anywhere and you will see the same results. If it was drug related the scene would have been messy, so the message would be sent. All of these theories are worthless because the theories are based on limited information. Most likely the person or person responsible have never been mentioned or heard of and probably out of state.
I honestly think Larry Dewayne Hall and his brother were responsible. They were known to stalk their victims. They were in Battlefield for a reenactment at the time and the girls were also in Battlefield for their party. I think they followed them from the party. When he confessed he said he killed them and buried them in Mark Twain National Forrest. He supposedly had a total of 5 victims in MO. and three of them were the Springfield Three. He owned a van that matched the description and said he had 2 accomplices that night. They also found some notes in his van that matched up with the case or mentioned it. The more I research him the more I'm convinced he is responsible.
IDK...I can't find a reason anywhere. The only thing I've seen is the comment he recanted his confession. I honestly think it was because he was already put away for life and they didn't want to have to put the work in. But that's just my thought.
I graduated this same year and remember it very well. It’s so sad that there hasn’t been anything new about the case in 28 years.
The convicted kidnapper that worked with the dad I find strange. Nothing is a coincidence. It would be very easy to control 3 girls with 2 being 18 and scared. If someone held those two girls at gun point that mother would have done anything the kidnapper wanted. Once they got to a far enough location, the person would have killed the mom if front of the girls and this would have scared the girls to death. Or it was two people these girls new and maybe just maybe momma had a boyfriend over or a crazy ex that ran with a bad group of drug dealers.
+adamsangie1 Very good point.. fear can be a very intimidating weapon.
Great job on Brainscratch! Loving the series. Keep it up.
+LionFilms Thanks LionFilms!
GeekenDorx
is there any possibility that there,s L.E.involvement?
I’m well versed in the case and all the scenarios, I’m just wondering why the 2nd husband is NEVER mentioned as a suspect in any shows. She had just gotten that house and the girls weren’t supposed to be there . Did the girls walk in on a crime and they became collateral damage becuase they knew who was already there ? I’m just throwing out the daughters step father here (moms 2nd husband) becuase divorce was fairly fresh and it’s never addressed by anyone
Apparently Sheryl had been outside refinishing furniture in her carport that evening. There was a peeping Tom in their neighborhood that very night only 3 doors down from their home. He is documented in the original Police Report. Bundy and BTK began as Peeping Toms.
I think the answer was in the voicemail that was left that was accidentally deleted.
Firstly I have to say, this has to be my fave youtube channel, hands down!
Since I started watching ive been looking at unsolved crime and I came across the case of Ricky McCormick. The encrypted notes found on his body have really stumped everyone who has tried to decode it, and i think it was as recently as 2011 the FBI was asking for help from the public.
I will have to look at that case. Ur right, John is the best.
That's crazy, I live close to where he was found and I've never heard of this case.
I just came acrosd this website, and im the comments there is conflicting evidence about whether McCormick was illiterate or not.
There are claims that he was very much able to read and write, and had been using code and cypher since a young age. Then there is the claim from his mother that he is 'retarded' and couldnt even write his own name, let alone a message in code.
www.ciphermysteries.com/2013/03/12/ricky-mccormicks-two-mysterious-notes
Yeah, they mentioned it on the Wikipedia page about the notes in his pocket. His father says he would scribble things and call it writing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_McCormick%27s_encrypted_notes
+Soulless Thanks Soulless! I appreciate the kind words, and will take a look at Ricky's case. Take care,John
On the night they went missing there neighbors car was stolen as well, from watching the videos i didnt see much of anything on the neighbor after that other then he was a class mate. Did they look into the neighbor?
It struck me right away that a neighbor was likely. Someone they knew, someone who had eyes on the house and someone who saw Janelle there the next morning and called to taunt her.
I’m starting to think that any of these cases where an adult has been removed from the home without any signs of a struggle and there are children in the home, it’s because the perpetrator is threatening to harm the children if they don’t have cooperation.
I can’t get a sense of who might’ve done it, it might’ve been a crime of opportunity - somebody who saw two young attractive girls on the street late at night and followed them home. Or, perhaps somebody already in the home holding the mother, and then threatening to harm the girls when they entered. Ultimately, taking them all along, probably at gunpoint (that would make sense as a way to control a small group).
I agree with what others have said, the police department’s refusal to do the course sample makes them look terribly suspicious. Why behave like that, otherwise?… unless you’re going to give a REALLY good reason. Unfortunately, it makes it look as though they’re protecting one of their own.
Maybe they were/are protecting an informant situation, but surely after all these years they can let that go?
I'm a Springfield, MO native and remember clearly when this happened. I was a kid, I remember seeing the missing posters all over Springfield. It was a huge deal, obviously. Even now, say the Missing 3 Women to most anyone and they know what you're talking about. I never thought 25 years later we'd still not know what happened to them.
I wonder if it’s a neighbor of theirs since someone just happened to call and make obscene phone calls when another teen came by the next day to check on them. This is when landlines were the only option so I believe he was watching the house
Has anyone ever looked into who owned the home before Sherill Levitt bought the home? her and her daughter Suzie had just moved into the home could it had been someone thinking the past owners where still living there and had some kind of problem with them or just went there late one night looking for past owners and saw the 3 women alone? I have always wondered about this. I have moved to new places and people would show up looking for someone that had once lived there.I also heard once that Sherill Levitt had bought the home with money from a divorce settlement from her last husband and he had 2 son that were not happy about their father having to give Sherill a settlement they felt she had not been married to their father long enough.I heard police looked into them but never heard anymore about them.Love your show!
the past owners were 85 and 88 years old lol.
It was someone who KNEW THEM; someone close. Family. Friend. Relative. This wasn't some random abduction/murder
If the killer were known to the women, I believe police would have caught him.
@@amandanegrete1306 perhaps. And who knows, police may have a "top suspect or two", but just not enough evidence to make an arrest. Goes back to the old saying "it's not what you know; it's what you can prove". I get your point though, and I do agree that if the perpetrator was someone random, it would be much harder for LE to solve.
This case has bothered me since the very first time I heard about it.I graduated high school sat June 6,1992.How can 3 women just vanish off of the face of this earth without a trace in 30 years.I so want closure for the family,someone knows something This has been the perfect crime,closure is long overdue for this case.
I can give you some insight aa to why a lot of stones were left unturned.
I lived in Springfield for twenty years. Their method of hiring police is to hire them straight out of the academy. This saves them a lot of money. If they are good at their job, they're hired on by Kansas City or another department that pays much better.
If an officer gets a lot of IA complaints, they bury the reports and promote the officer. This has been going on a LONG time.
Springfield was once a nice place to live. Over the last 25-30 years, crime continued to pick up. It is now a dangerous small city to live in, in part due to the incompetence of the police department.
They don't tend to look for suspects who fit the evidence. They pick a suspect and try to make the evidence fit them. They'll never get crime under control until they start hiring officers worthy of the badge.
I now live in Houston. We have less murders in the 4th largest city in America than they do in that snall city. Our cops here know how to investigate.
Quite framkly, I'm shocked that the FBI doesn't investigate the judicial system in Springfield.
This is why they're not digging up the parking garage. It's too big of a job for the police. If they find bodies, they'll have to investigate and they're not that good.
The voters don't want to increase taxes (and I don't blame them) for the police because it's shown in the past that it won't help. They still won't hire good, experienced police.
The house is located near a busy road with stores and businesses. Maybe a security camera on one covering part if not all of the residence?
In 1992?
This is an older video but this my home area so i want to comment on the PFI info. PFI is owned by a fellow that is rumored to be deep in to crime and drugs. Supposedly he was friends with the mom and something happened. Supposedly the concrete for the large sign in front of the store was poured soon after they went missing.
@@alelux4959 I'm not trying to be a smart ass but cops couldn't solve their way out of a cracker jack box unless someone hands the key. I also believe there is a possible Carnahan connection. Carnahan being the guy responsible for killing the Johns lady and attempted kidnapping of another. Sherrill was his hair lady. The cops searched my family's property because a former school teacher lived on it in a rent house. This guy had been one of the girls teachers and he came here to Ash Grove high school in 89 or 90. I remember him, he was a strange fellow but hardly capable of pulling this off. It took some degree of sophistication in my opinion.
I agree about the witness hearing ppl talk from the van. So she saw the girl was crying, she saw the van, she heard the man. How far was she. It's not the believable. The police believed it enough to buy a van that looked like it. Why? They actually believed that's believable?
It's easy to say but unless you are in a remote area once they were outside the house they shouldn't have gotten in the vehicle no matter what. I know it's easier to say than do.
What I think happened:
The crime was sexually motivated. The house had been stalked for some time. It was likely someone local, and in the personal sphere of the women. It was one man who was able to gain entry pretending to be a law enforcement officer (or actually was police), forced them into a car at gunpoint, assaulted them, murdered them, and put their bodies somewhere they have never been found.
It really frustrates me when people say it would be difficult to kidnap three women alone. With a single gun and a threat, most people, especially those not trained in fighting, will comply out of fear for their life.
Yes. Richard Speck murdered eight women in one house. None fought back.
Did he give them up or were they frozen in fear and couldn't over come it?... what a horrific tragedy!
It seems likely that one or more of the young girls was spotted on the way home and followed and attacked by a predator. The mother was just collateral damage.
Josie Fox
Why not kill the others at the scene?
I think it was more than one serial killer working together....they were stalking the girls...knowing they were intoxicated...the mom was a bonus for them... pretty petite...
Larry DeWayne Hall and his brothe Gary and perhaps one more ... perhaps they were stalking the girls for days...
Than threw them in their van...took them to the forest / national park...tortured, raped them...and killed them...just very heinous!
Those poor women...and what they went through was beyond words....when they knew that they will be killed....so very heart breaking...so devastating!!
Many people have asked why the women were taken from the house when the perp(s) could have done what he came to do there and kill them and leave them in the house. It would be very risky to go in, control three women and manage to get them out of the house into his vehicle without any sign of a struggle and nobody noticing, even in the middle of the night. Any neighbor could have heard something, looked out, or someone could have driven by that knows them and seen a vehicle and/or more. Not to mention the police had to have been out in force looking for teenagers driving drunk celebrating graduation. Had the police pulled the perp over, it would have been all over for him. So the perp(s) had to have desperately wanted to take the women out of the house. I always think they could have been taken to some underground bunker and kept. DNA was not very known by the public at the time, but if the perp was intelligent and kept up with current events, he may have been aware of DNA.
Another theory is perhaps a friend or acquaintance showed up at the house. Remember it was graduation night and lots of partying was going on. Maybe he offered to keep the party going and invited them to go have a drink or dinner and even invited the mom, telling them not to bother to bring their purses, he would pay. There was a witness who claimed she saw them and three men at an area restaurant. Once he has them in the vehicle, he takes them to a secluded area. It could have even been a police officer that followed the girls, accusing them of DUI. He has them all get in the cruiser. Or someone pretending to be an undercover cop, flashing a badge.
But I think the broken globe on the front porch tells the story. I think the perp either dropped it accidentally or on purpose. Sherrill probably heard it, looked out the window, didn't see anything and went to investigate, opened the door and the perp jumped out of hiding with a weapon. Is it possible the women were murdered in the house, perhaps by strangulation, and their bodies removed.
Re: digging up the car park. Maybe they were concerned with damaging their credibility. Even if 5 people suggested it it'd only take 1 to be a "psychic" then for the rest of their career they are an Official Adviser to the SPD even if they don't find anything. Would probably get brought up by the defense in other cases too. "You saw my client commit this crime... in a crystal ball or tea leaves? You did dig up municipal property on the word of a psychic once, didn't you?" You have thought if they thought there was a strong chance they'd do, surreptitiously or otherwise. Don't suppose the 9/11 guy has a book coming out?
Great job bleu Meanie, very sad case. I had never heard of this one, so I've got alot of reading to do, but that parking lot and the fact that they won't perform the dig is really bizarre to me.
I just want to say I am new to your shows and so far LOVE them. I am glad I came across this episode. I actually while viewing the Elisa Lam video's kept wanting to comment to do one on these three ladies. I was 8 when they went missing I lived in Ft. Leonard Wood, MO. Not far from them. I don't really want to say this case has kind of haunted me since I was a kid even that young to this day I remember every store we went shopping at had their fliers in them. I am 33 now and it is still with me and I am totally confused on why they will not allow them to get into that parking garage. I am hoping one day there will be a follow up to this story until then THANK YOU for bringing these cases more attention when others have let it die out. For now I am on to your next video and definitely a HUGE fan!!!
Thank you so much Tifferscy1, and welcome to the channel.
Tifferscy1
I agree with you on why tf they won't let them dig up the parking garage. Although, it's somewhat understandable that they don't want their garage dug up simply on a hunch. It does cost quite a bit of money to do so. Not to mention the time and effort it would take.
Apparently, quite a few of the higher-ups don't seem to think there is anything there. Unfortunately, I happen to agree. I think the whole thing is just a hunch, and that one guy who claims that he thinks the bodies are buried there is more than likely just looking for attention or his "15 minutes", if you will.
But again, I do agree that it should be done, even if it's just to clear up the confusion and frustration.
That is the thing Cynical....People have offered to pay for it so the hospital and such would not be out of money and the spot they are checking would not mess with the normal traffic of the garage so I don't know why they would say no...:/
Thank you so much for covering this. I have lived in Springfield for almost my whole life. And remember when this happened. There is still alot of talk about this locally, and a lot of theories floating around.
Just watched the full video and wanted to let you know about some local information that was not mentioned, mostly because I am sure it was not online in very many places. The main thing I wanted to being up was the cox parking garage connection. Which you did talk about in depth. There have been several suspects over the years, but what is not mentioned is the connection between one of the suspects being on the crew that poured the concrete for that parking garage. I am currently doing some research to find a name for you, because it has been several years since I have heard his name in the media. Thanks again for talking about these women.
+Raven LeBeau I would definitely appreciate further info on that Raven LeBeau. If you find it, please email it to me at geekendorx@gmail.com
+Raven LeBeau I think the name you're looking for is Austin Underal. He worked for Boliver ready mix concrete. He was interviewed by the grand jury supposedly.
Suggestions for other episodes: Maura Murray, The Original Night Stalker, The Long Island Serial Killer, Zodiac, The Black Dahlia, Lawrencia Bembenek.....
marishana meyer Yesss! Those are some good ones! 👍
Maura Murrayyyyy 😭 WHERE ARE YOU?!
I have two questions and to let you know I might have missed this info. Due to add my mind bounces all over when I listen or watch these videos.
Was the phone call ever investigated as in getting it from the phone company and following up on it?
Did the police ever do a search in the mausoleums? That would be the first thing I would investigate!
Before I even start watching I wanted to say that I live in this area. I live in NC Arkansas but lived right outside Springfield (in Marshfield) for years. I always heard that one of the three got mixed up with one of the drug families in the area. They were killed and fed to pigs. This is not far fetched. In Marshfield, MO in 2006 a man was convicted for murdering a couple who had come to him to buy meth and feeding their remains to his pigs. I can't get an article to link but you can Google it and pull the article right up. Okay, now I'm gonna watch.
my dad thinks they were kidnapped and driven to mexico for prostitution....who knows?
Splendid BrainScratch. I lived in the Missouri Ozarks for several years and can attest to the "Information Wanted" posters still affixed to business/shop windows around Springfield.
Have you considered an episode on Kyron Horman?
+J M M Barkovich Yes, I just looked into Kyron's story this week and expect we will have an episode on him soon. Pretty tragic story there on a few fronts.
Have a nice day J M M Barkovich!
Watched your Elisa Lam video and the KJ one... both very strange! I enjoy watching your videos... well done!
+Amber Leah Thanks Amber!
One person could definitely control all 3. It's been done before. Don't forget the Cary Stayner case. He's the Yosemite killer. He controlled 3 females himself. Not saying I believe there was only one perpetrater, only that it's possible. Thanks.
If the women were timorous characters this would increase the possibility of a single offender but often violence is used initially to ensure the compliance of the other prospective victims. Was there any evidence for this at the scene? If not it points more towards multiple offenders.
Of course it is possible for one offender to control several victims you named the Yosemite killer and I was thinking Denis Rader BTK. The difference here is that he used detailed planning to ensure the smooth running of his crimes. In this case that level of planning would be impossible due to the randomness of the actions of the two younger women. This prompts the question could the mother have been the subject of the criminal(s)?
I live where the Stayner case happened; as I understand from the report in our local paper, Stayner didn't have to control three people for very long. He killed Carole Sund and Silvina Pelosso almost immediately; he had no use for them, since it was Juli Sund he was after.
She did get the tip about the parking garage from a psychic in Springfield. Also more importantly the parking garage wasn't built until over a year AFTER they went missing! Plus they only scanned a small portion and found 8 anamolies. These could have been from stumps, branches and rocks with different density. If they scanned the whole garage they would have found dozens more as they were plowed over before the cement went down.
Ridiculous.
One thing that I've always wondered about the porch light that I've never found anywhere, was the globe broken or unscrewed? Like was it hit by something and broken? Or was it unscrewed and dropped?
Megan J Globe was broken, but it's never been determined how.
20:19 - Actually, it's very easy for 1 person to have 3 women in control. The Mom wouldn't take any chances cause her daughter and friend would get hurt/killed. The girls wouldn't either since they're teenage girls. None of them would have tried to escape cause if they had, the other 2 would have suffered. They may have been taken somewhere with the promise nobody would get hurt if they stayed calm. I feel like that may have happened. Taken somewhere and that's when foul play occurred.
I agree. If you consider they were probably sleeping and whoever took them had a gun or other weapon, then I figure they'd be too scared and stunned to do anything other than what they were told.
Richard Speck controlled and killed 8 women by himself its very possible.
Disagree that it's easy. Controlling more than 1 person during restraining and transport is very tricky. 18 and 19 y/o women are not always going to act helpless. I think it's possible for a single attacker to do this, but it's very risky for him (or her).
ocitalis You say that as if you've tried, I'll just refer to my previous comment. Seemed pretty easy for him, oh and all the student nurses he killed were only a couple years older then these girls. Fear is a powerful weapon.
ocitalis agree with you. It can be difficult just getting a couple of kids in the car when they don’t want to go somewhere. 3 adults? Too difficult I think.
It was probably those 3 that had just got out of prison ?!
I think a motive would be potentially helpful in solving this mystery. Unfortunately any and all evidence was destroyed or thrown away unintentionally leaving any possibility of catching the suspects lost.
thank you Bleu Meanie.....
what if the main intended victim was the mother? maybe the mother was into some shit we dont know about. Everyone talks about the girls but not much on the mother. js
The type of ground penetrating radar used in 2010 has improved immensely and now in 2016 the images produced would be in far greater detail and combined with a sensitive cadaver dog could provide adequate information to make intelligent decisions.
I agree with you that one abductor, unless they were Denis Raider (BTK killer) is extremely unlikely.
The most likely scenario seems to be the random act committed by opportunistic offenders and here you mention three escaped criminals known to be in the vicinity at the time.
Is there any information about the crimes that took them to prison?
Were any of them convicted for sexual or violence offenses against women or children?
The reason I suggest that this case looks random in nature rather than personally motivated is because from the outside at least the pattern of their evening changed from a planned night to it's alternative. Unless the older female was the primary target and the younger women a welcome accident we will never know.
Where would someone at the time take someone or something if they wanted to do something illicit and without witnesses? Perhaps that is where the search should start.
Then there is the far more harrowing thought that they were kidnapped to take across State lines for other purposes. I think this the most unlikely owing to the high risk of one or more of the women revealing their fate.
The highest likelihood as with many other cases is that the police have already questioned those involved at least once possibly several times.
Were there any similar home invasion / abductions, within 5 years preceding or proceeding this crime?
Were there multiple attempted abductions or home invasions by one person within a mile of the house, before or after that date and is there commonality in the subject who committed the crimes?
Thank you for sharing this very frustrating but interesting case. Let us all hope that one day soon one of those involved will break the silence and reveal their fate and location so their family can grieve and move forward.
beckyholt I agree. I said earlier in a comment I think it was the three that escaped prison. Police need to give them a closer look.
It seems to me that whoever took them, knew them. It just doesn't make any sense to me that a stranger looking to take someone would choose a house with three cars parked out front. The person wouldn't know how may people were in the house, if they were male or female etc... The only other option is that someone was casing the house but whoever did this had to know something about who was in the house
I love it when my city is mentioned, but not like this! I heard about this case from my history teacher. This gives me the chills. Thank you for covering this.
for me I lose it at the point they will not check the garage. It's simply hard to want to investigate this or look into this because of that fact. I don't see why they won't check that out. I would understand the hesitation because if it being from a psychic is true but as you stated other people have said it came from a reporter which if it did I don't understand why they didn't look into it and even if it came from a psychic at some point if you're still looking for these ladies it's still an option.
I'm familiar with this case and I've always thought they were taken out on a boat and put in the water. That's why they've never been found. I wish they would find them for the family of the victims. You are definitely right that they are not just missing. Another great case, thanks for your work John.
You know if someone were to make a list of every single thing you had to do to cover up a crime scene, every box would be checked off on this case. Seems a bit odd
Man I cant get enough of these shows, very interesting much better than the mindless crap all over youtube. Dudes like a voice for those who are gagged by modern law.
i,ve often thought that spfd law enforcement is involved in the disappearance,i don,t trust any men or law enforcement here in springfield.
I wonder the same thing about Elisa Lam; it would go a long way to explain why LAPD was so quick to brush it off as an accident.
Sorry but a prank call?? Just happens to be to a house where 3 people vanished the same day? Thats a big coincidence.
Maybe the police are reluctant to further pursue this case because they know Robert Cox did it, and they want to avoid the expense of prosecuting a guy who's already in prison for life anyway.
A grand jury failed to indict Cox regarding Sherill, Stacy and Suzie.
From what I've read and understand, the parking garage has been ruled out because it was not poured until a year after the disappearance. Also, the two you mention along with Garrison were the only persons of interest brought before a grand jury (1994) according Websleuths and Topix.
and the tip about the parking garage came from a psychic who had a dream about it
I do have a few theories, though I don't like to write these sort of things out since someone could easily save every word I write (or even twits it) in a various amount of ways. Should anyone like to discuss the case with me, let me know and I will gladly Skype with you. I would love to have access to the case since I am a PI, however, I've been told that "It's being handled." Anyway, if anyone wants to discuss it with me, let me know. Day or night, I will answer.
Bleu Meanie Oh I don't have information, just theories based on what's already known. I can only assume at this point.
I would love to see a brain scratch done on "The highway killings" from New Bedford MA, took place in the 80s. a new documentary is coming out hoping it will shed new light on the case as well. would like to see that case solved.
Larry Dewayne Hall, do research on that guy. I think he could be a good suspect.
I completely agree, Larry, Gary and their psychopath mentor...they might also be responsible for the abduction and death of Angela Hammond in Clinton.
The FBI should have put more pressure on Larry and kept Gary under surveillance...
Have you ever covered "The Fort Worth 3" ? It's A 45 yr old (yes, i said 45!) Missing persons cold case which is far more frustrating than this. 3 females aged 17, 14, & 9 in "1974" Soo VERY haunting & everytime I think of it I just get chills up my spine vanishing into thin air NEVER to be heard from again.
Is this the one where they were Christmas shopping at a mall n disappeared??
I’m in belief that there are some ties to crime and law enforcement
I remember watching this case on the CI channel. These stories always make me feel sad.
But kudos to you John for yet another amazing video!
This case has always baffled me. Where he hell are they? Who wanted them dead? Or one of them and the other 2 had to be done away with.
Similar case of 3 people,, mom, child, and sister in law, going missing. Turns out the ex and his family planned it all out and killed them.
Such a sad case.. hope it will ever be solved!
I also have my doubts on what Janelle is saying, but really, anything could have happened that night/morning, nothing can be ruled out. So frustrating.
Two questions, maybe you or Bleu Meanie know the answers to this :
Quoted from a Springfield newsarticle briefly after the disappearences, :
''An Apco clerk reports he saw Levitt at 2.15 a.m June 7. He says Mccall and Streeter were there sometime between 10 and 10:30 p.m June 6''
At that time the girls were still at the party, right? So how is this possible. Is this clerk ever been investigated?
Who was the owner of the red chev that was reported stolen?
That person lived in the same street but the car was stolen elsewhere.
The witness who saw the ''notorious van'' is also strange.
She claimed that she didn't call the police earlier, because she didn't know about the missing woman.
But she called police after four weeks?? She also lived in Springfield, how could someone from the same city possibly not know about this case for FOUR WEEKS.
Could be an attempt to point the search in another direction, drawing attention away from something/someone else, who knows...
Keep up the good work, greetings Andres
Andres: If I remember correctly, the two girls did stop at a store as you report. Your other questions are very good ones.
Its definetly possible to hear the voice of someone who says something angrily out loud from the back of 1 of those old vans, especcially if its stopped or idleling.
Those old vans were less soundproof compared to cars today with windows wound up.
Seems like they knew whomever allegedly abducted them. Nothing askew outside of a broken light dome globe. Which could've been totally unrelated. What the heck ...
wonder if they ever did luminal in the house? or fingerprinted? and what about the creepy message? how did the friend just not remember what it said?? weird.
if the police does refuse to look into the parkade,it is clear to me that someone inside the police is involved in it by covering it up for someone else,maybe someone from a biker gang and that the bodies underneath are some other ones and not the 3 woman.