PIE & PROTO-INDO-IRANIAN

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024

Комментарии • 124

  • @saddasish
    @saddasish Год назад +54

    This proto language sure loves the [a] sound

  • @japaneseapoist286
    @japaneseapoist286 Год назад +44

    What proto Indo-Iranian(Aryan) developed:
    1. Aspect
    Different from proto Germanic, Proto-indo iranian keep PIE 3 aspect develop the forth aspect "Future aspect" derived from the desiderable verb. Avestan has the inchoative aspect.
    2. Passive and Middle voice
    In the present aspect, the Aryan language developed the passive voice derived from the intransive verb, also the developed the middle voice in the perfect aspect.
    3. Keep the derivational verb
    Difference from other indo-european languiage, the Aryan language keep the causative, desiderative and intenseive. Vedic sanskrit made the form of aorist and future for these verb.
    Conclusion, this language compared from the proto-germanic, keep the archic form and preserve more archaic word and developed the grammar.

    • @texmexexpress
      @texmexexpress 2 месяца назад

      @@japaneseapoist286Fascinating

  • @Kurdnetew
    @Kurdnetew Год назад +80

    As a Kurdish speaker, I understood many words

    • @Mehr_Qoutes
      @Mehr_Qoutes Год назад +8

      You can listen balóchi langauge words, That are mostly simler to kurdish

    • @YusifTheBaldEagle
      @YusifTheBaldEagle 11 месяцев назад +5

      Same :P I'm Kurdish too

    • @Moh_Ka
      @Moh_Ka 9 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@Mehr_Qoutes they all sound so similar to middle Persian.

    • @erfan3857
      @erfan3857 3 месяца назад

      I would say modern Iranian languages are so much closer to middle persian comparing to this proto languages ​@@Moh_Ka

  • @HyperBoreana-mf4ql
    @HyperBoreana-mf4ql 3 месяца назад +5

    as an austrian, i understood both of them perfectly.
    this is because i speak english & i read the english subtitles.

  • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
    @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +38

    Pamiri Aryan here! Waited for this one because that's how my ancestors apparently spoke

    • @indianboy59
      @indianboy59 Год назад +2

      Pamiri from Afghanistan, Tajikistan or Uzbekistan?

    • @Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29
      @Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29 7 месяцев назад

      There is no pamiri in Uzbekistan i've seen many tajiks but not pamiri tajiks throughout my country

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@indianboy59 from Tajikistan

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29 there are some in Tashkent and Samarkand originally from Tajikistan who moved there during the Soviets. Very few!

    • @Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29
      @Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh29 7 месяцев назад

      @@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb thank you for information could you tell me what the difference is between tajiks and pamiris

  • @autumncold90
    @autumncold90 Год назад +48

    I hope you do Proto-Armenian soon, I love this series so far! 🤩

  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi Год назад +15

    Love the old language videos.

  • @bacicinvatteneaca
    @bacicinvatteneaca Год назад +12

    Amazing how one can already hear the salient characteristics of Hindustani languages! Good job pronouncing it!

    • @alinaqirizvi1441
      @alinaqirizvi1441 16 дней назад

      As well as some Persian features too, I can identify both being familiar with both Hindustani and Persian

  • @lewislllouis3877
    @lewislllouis3877 Год назад +20

    Can you do Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit!

  • @stegotyranno4206
    @stegotyranno4206 Год назад +9

    the PII reconstruction shown here is more close to actual PIE than your PIE reconstruction.

  • @mysteriumvitae5338
    @mysteriumvitae5338 Год назад +8

    Proto-Indo-Iranian has more open vowels as a striking feature. Especially more /a/ phonemes. This is what is pretty prominent in Sanskrit, too. The "chatwari" of Proto-Indo-Iranian is very interesting - exactly like in Sanskrit.

    • @bletwort2920
      @bletwort2920 4 месяца назад

      What's more striking is PIE only having e and o vowels.

  • @stellaislovely
    @stellaislovely Год назад +17

    Will there be Proto Iranian or/and Proto Indo Aryan too

  • @AereForst
    @AereForst 6 месяцев назад +1

    I’m hearing retroflexed consonants in Indo-Iranian, but I think this is a mistake. I believe the retroflexed consonants became a feature of Indo-Aryan because of contact with indigenous aboriginal languages in the Gangetic Plains. Avestan does not have this feature and it should according to this video since it is a scion of Indo Iranian

  • @commanderjnm2008
    @commanderjnm2008 Год назад +5

    As much as they are related via their closely related vocabulary, Proto-Indo-European still has some extreme differences from Proto-Indo-Iranian, especially in terms of sharp phonetic differences. If you time-travelled, and got a Proto-Indo-European speaker to converse with a Proto-Iranian speaker, there would still be misunderstandings as the Proto-Indo-Euro speaker would be confused by the sound changes which have occured by the time Proto-Iranian languages fully took root. I mean, there would still probably be some mutual intelligibility between the two, but they would both have had to speak slowly and clearly with each other, and give each other phonetic-change pointers and time to think a bit in between sentences, and only then would they be able to have a smooth conversation. Otherwise, the PIE native speaker from 3000 B.C, if he/she time travelled to 2200 B.C Iran (800 years later), there would be communication problems even if some words seem familiar to the other. It would be like an Old Aenglisc Anglo-Saxon speaker from the 6th century CE hearing a Proto-Germanic speaker from the 1st century, relatable, but still different somewhat.

    • @texmexexpress
      @texmexexpress 9 месяцев назад

      Same case applies to the Celtic, Germanic, Italic and Balto-Slavic branches to Proto-Indo-European

    • @TalantDuolingo
      @TalantDuolingo 8 месяцев назад +4

      Indo Europeans weren’t in Iran 2200 BC. Proto Iranian language came to Iran only in 1000 BC.

  • @GyanGazm
    @GyanGazm Год назад +14

    A language always keeps evolving and goes away from its original form while keeping the basic skeleton. As someone who speaks 3 Indo-iranian and 1 Indo-european languages, I am able to understand both the proto forms but maybe i will not be able to understand evolved forms of them like the germen from endo-europian family.
    I can speak Hindustani(Hindi-Urdu),Marathi,Kokani and off course English. i studied sanskrit for 4 years when i was in high school. I wont claim to understand Sanskrit completely since its a very rich language but i am familiar with the basics.

    • @texmexexpress
      @texmexexpress 9 месяцев назад +3

      Indo-Iranian languages are Indo-European. So you speak four Indo-European languages. Three are from the Indo-Aryan group (Hindustani: Hindi and Urdu, Marathi and Kokani) of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family and one is from the Germanic branch (English) of the Indo-European language family.

  • @yasagarwal859
    @yasagarwal859 Год назад +10

    nice video there is an error there are places where we will have H in proto indo Iranian and aspirates in proto indo European

    • @premroymathematicsclasses1969
      @premroymathematicsclasses1969 Год назад +4

      Sankrit Persian
      Sapta Haft (7)
      Sahasra Hezaar (1000)
      Dasha Dah (10)
      Vasanta Bahaar (Spring)
      Sam Ham [with,both(prefix)]
      Svasr Xahar (Sister)

    • @yasagarwal859
      @yasagarwal859 Год назад +2

      @@premroymathematicsclasses1969 ik that since proto Iranian went under s to h
      I'm talking about the H which was kept in places and the aspirations which both languages had

  • @Сергей200
    @Сергей200 Год назад +1

    I suggest comparison PIE and Proto-Balto-Slavic. The earliest form of baltic and slavic languages

  • @askarufus7939
    @askarufus7939 5 месяцев назад +3

    The proto indo iranian numbers are more similar to slavic numbers than the european ones

    • @CVery45
      @CVery45 2 месяца назад

      Slavic languages are European

    • @gravettian1235
      @gravettian1235 2 месяца назад

      That is probably because Proto-Balto-Slavic and Proto-Indo-Iranian are both satem languages, and Western European languages are centum languages.

  • @Someoneforsure944
    @Someoneforsure944 7 месяцев назад +1

    Fun fact:- They both are reconstructed languages.
    This is the most obvious thing ik.

  • @michaeldaconceicao1041
    @michaeldaconceicao1041 Год назад +1

    I can't wait to learn these languages.

  • @thyroton_764
    @thyroton_764 Год назад +2

    Please make Proto Balto Slavic and Proto Indo Iranian

  • @shauilleaux1734
    @shauilleaux1734 Год назад +4

    Very cool!, First comment!

  • @Mehr_Qoutes
    @Mehr_Qoutes Год назад +5

    Balochi (Balochistan) language is also an iranian language, That is more simler to kurdish, Pashtu and Persian.

  • @Ssj4vegeta212
    @Ssj4vegeta212 Год назад +6

    E became A

  • @averagebodybuilder
    @averagebodybuilder Год назад

    Strange. In PII the word for wool is ur?na. This is similar to the urdu word oon. But the persian word for wool is pasham.

    • @bletwort2920
      @bletwort2920 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yes in Hindi un comes from Prakrit unna from Sanskrit urna. It's cognate with English wool.

  • @premroymathematicsclasses1969
    @premroymathematicsclasses1969 Год назад +18

    🇮🇷❤️🇵🇰❤️🇮🇳

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +12

      🇹🇯🇹🇯🇹🇯 don't forget your little Aryan brother

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +4

      @@ibrohimh9976 I am Pamiri and we are 100 % R1a1 in Pamirs and we are IRANIC ARYANS

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +2

      @@ibrohimh9976 yes, there is scientifically. Officially Pamiris are Tajik. Having the same origin nowadays they have language difference by Tajiks switching to Persian language more than thousand years ago

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +1

      @@ibrohimh9976 I don't care as long as inhabitants of Republic of Iran consider themselves as Aryans and speak the Aryan language

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +1

      @@ibrohimh9976 turks in Anatolia also genetically are not mongoloid but consider themselves as so. They also monopolized the name of turkey as Iranians did with the name of Iran

  • @sohrabamiri7917
    @sohrabamiri7917 5 месяцев назад

    What is mean the proto?

    • @brian0902
      @brian0902 5 месяцев назад

      "Proto" is a Greek prefix, meaning "first" or "original/originator." In linguistics, it's used to denote a reconstructed ancestral form of a language or language family. Therefore, "Proto-Indo-European" refers to the originator of Indian and European languages though it is a bit vague as ether language outside India and Europe are in the language family the languages are specifically Iranian, North Indian languages, and languages in Europe that are not Uralic, Turkic, Basque, Caucasian, and some of Semitic origin, which are not Indo-European. However, the Caucasian language Armenian is, in fact, Indo-European. We can further categorize Indo-European into a branch called Proto-Indo-Iranian, which is the originator of North Indian and Iranian languages.

  • @ibrahimrahman6093
    @ibrahimrahman6093 13 дней назад

    Pie for one is óynos.

    • @shawolzen4893
      @shawolzen4893 9 дней назад

      There were 4 ways of saying “one” including “óynos” but also “óykwos” and “sem-“ which the word “same” comes from

  • @shivaanrambally9611
    @shivaanrambally9611 9 месяцев назад +2

    Why does it sound so similar to Sanskrit😭

    • @atrydetalisgard4467
      @atrydetalisgard4467 8 месяцев назад +1

      This is because Sanskrit is a language descended from Proto-Indo-Aryan

    • @atrydetalisgard4467
      @atrydetalisgard4467 8 месяцев назад +1

      And Sanskrit is a language related to Portuguese, English, Welsh, Russian, Latvian, Albanian, Latin, Greek, German etc.

    • @bletwort2920
      @bletwort2920 5 месяцев назад +1

      It sounds like a Sanskrit speaker burnt his tongue while drinking a cup of hot tea

  • @InAeternumRomaMater
    @InAeternumRomaMater Год назад +7

    We are one strong people, the strongest of the world💪💪💪

  • @Sameer-wf3fc
    @Sameer-wf3fc 4 месяца назад

    Both sound similar as root for both is same. But, Vedic sanskrit is a completely different language abs has no relationship with these languages.

  • @robleyusuf2566
    @robleyusuf2566 2 месяца назад

    This languages are dialects of a one language. They are intellegible

    • @Nastya_07
      @Nastya_07 20 дней назад

      No, Proto-Indo-Iranian descended from Proto-Indo-European

    • @robleyusuf2566
      @robleyusuf2566 20 дней назад

      @@Nastya_07 In this video they are very close

  • @paiwanhan
    @paiwanhan Год назад +2

    dwoh and dwaH are so similar to Austronesian's duwa.

    • @flavmendrikaja3784
      @flavmendrikaja3784 Год назад +9

      Yes, they do seem similar even though they are also completely different.
      two
      PIE: *d(u)wóH → dos, dó, two, dva, dýo, ...
      PAN: *duSa → PMP *duha → duha, du(w)a, loro, roa, hugua, eru, ...

    • @thyroton_764
      @thyroton_764 Год назад +4

      There's no proof that Austronesian and Indo European shares common ancestry. They totally differs culturewise and physiology wise. Maybe it's just a coincidence that the Indo Europeans and Austronesians have a similar word for number 2.

    • @flavmendrikaja3784
      @flavmendrikaja3784 Год назад

      @@thyroton_764 I agree with you. Some scientists believe though that Proto-Austronesian may have a relationship with Proto-Austroasiatic, but the proofs are not conclusive.

    • @brian0902
      @brian0902 7 месяцев назад

      I don't know about duwa, but, by the way, languages like Indonesian and surrounding languages have adopted many Sanskrit words. In fact, their number 8, 'asta,' comes from Sanskrit 'aṣṭa.' If you want, there's a wiki on the various Indic loanwords in Indonesian. It's a pretty big list! 😅

  • @sutriyana2201
    @sutriyana2201 9 месяцев назад +1

    Javanese
    Ekå
    Dwi
    Tri
    Catůr
    Påncå
    Sat
    Saptå
    Asthå
    Nåwå > Nawa ?
    Dåså

    • @Emperor-ofRome
      @Emperor-ofRome 7 месяцев назад +3

      Because of Sanskrit influence and Hinduism and Buddhism Scriptures

  • @Mouse-p5s
    @Mouse-p5s Год назад +3

    Proto-Indo-Iranian has SUS symbol 💀

    • @Radnick-ez3px
      @Radnick-ez3px Год назад +12

      Its not the n@zi symbol, its actually is symbol of mithraeism, an old ancient iranian religion

    • @OshinAttari
      @OshinAttari 10 месяцев назад +9

      In all Historical Places in Iran you can see it
      It's Symbol Of Indo Iranian People

    • @soheildian371
      @soheildian371 9 месяцев назад

      @@OshinAttari we are not indo iranian we are only iranian.

    • @ancientminds199
      @ancientminds199 4 месяца назад +1

      It's a Hindu symbol. Only we use it now

    • @Kosturpostimenong
      @Kosturpostimenong 15 дней назад

      Westerns 🦧

  • @tocharian_reincarnated
    @tocharian_reincarnated Год назад +4

    As an iranian i say The whole IE hypothesis is a hoax, it's only indian and iranian languages which are related, slavic, celtic and germanic hellenic are a language family by themselves each alone.

    • @user-hv7mb3ye2v
      @user-hv7mb3ye2v Год назад +28

      You can say that, but it doesn't make it true. There is a huge body of evidence from thousands of professional linguists all over the world proving that these languages come from a common ancestor

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +9

      You are crazy! Mother Father brother. Tochter und Schwester. star, stern, setara.. doesn't say anything to you ?
      and they are hundreds

    • @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb
      @User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb Год назад +17

      I speak Persian and i live in Poland. If you speak parsi just come here and see how polish is similar to Persian, you will be speechless. And Polish is Slavic. Just one verb to be (bić/budan-jest/hast) is enough to ease your life and learn the language with an advantage

    • @tocharian_reincarnated
      @tocharian_reincarnated Год назад +1

      @@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb yes! True... but some basic words of any language which are held to be loanwords doesn't make all these a family.
      There are some words in arabic which are close to english like
      Qorab=crow, kahf=cave, eye=ein
      But does this make Semitic relating to IE?
      also 'àb' in arabic means father and in korean a similar word aba!
      while two languages have different roots...!

    • @tocharian_reincarnated
      @tocharian_reincarnated Год назад

      @@User8888hdjsjsjshgdhsb whit all respect to poles, there are less relaions between slavic and aryan languages other than Germanic ones...
      Germanic have the potential to be related to Aryan languages but not balto_slavic, the grammar is far enough different to aryan..

  • @Girl_Of_Renaissance3119
    @Girl_Of_Renaissance3119 3 месяца назад

    Love from India Bengal 🟧⬜☘️