Are Plants And Animals The Same? | Did Science Prove That Plants Feel Pain? | Veganism | Q & A
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- Is there proper research showing that plants feel pain? Truth is no, not a single one. However there are many articles with clickbait headlines floating about the internet claiming that plants can feel pain and suffer. Even if that were a true statement what should be the takeaway from that?
Does force impregnating, torturing and killing billions of innocent animals now become all right because "plants feel pain"?
To be logically consistent with that argument then you must also address every form of human violence and oppression with the logic that "plants feel pain". By that logic any form of action and violence in society can be justified by saying plants feel pain. The vast majority of non vegans are addicted to the "taste" and "pleasures" of meat, dairy, eggs and honey. Therefore they come with senseless rationalisations to justify their actions.
Be consistent, be Vegan.
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sentience:
the capacity to experience feelings or sensations, as distinguished from perceptions and cognition. The word was first coined by philosophers in the 1630’s for the concept of an ability to feel, derived from Latin “sentientem” (a feeling), in order to distinguish it from the ability to think/reason. Therefore, sentience ought not be confused with consciousness, though the two are closely related.
As far as biologists can ascertain, the simplest organisms (single-celled microbes) possess an exceedingly-primitive form of sentience, since their life-cycle revolves around adjusting to their environment, metabolizing, and reproducing via binary fission, all of which indicates a sensory perception of their environment (e.g. temperature, acidity, energy sources and the presence of oxygen, nitrogen, minerals, and water). More complex organisms, such as plants, have acquired a far greater degree of sentience, since they can react to the light of the sun, to insects crawling on their leaves (in the case of carnivorous plants), excrete certain chemicals and/or emit ultrasonic waves when being cut. Perhaps the most strikingly-obvious phenomenon that demonstrates plant sentience is the way in which vines SENSE the presence of external structures, using such formations to support their stems and tendrils whilst growing.
In animal life, there are up to five sensory organs that are able to detect external stimulants or percepts.
ADDITIONALLY, many forms of metazoans have acquired a degree of consciousness, in which a subject-object polarity is established.
Therefore, when carnists claim that “plants have feelings too” upon being confronted with vegan ideology, they may be correct (at least in a rather diffuse sense of the term “feelings”), so the most logical reason for being vegan is not because plants are completely without sentience, but simply due to the fact that humans are an herbivorous species. If Homo sapiens were naturally omnivores or carnivores, then no sane person would condone veganism. In summary, all forms of organic life are, by definition, sentient, yet TRUE consciousness is found in those animal species that have a certain level of intelligence (that is, as a general rule, vertebrates, though there are a couple of notable exceptions to this general rule). Cf. “consciousness/Consciousness” and “carnist” in this Glossary.
*2023.................Year of the Vegan Activist* 🏆 🏆 🏆
Just to justify you on this topic killing Animals and Plants are not same.
I would take example, is cutting one person hair vs cutting one person neck is same. (Answer would be NO)
Because hair also grows on us like plants and cutting hair doesn't feel pain nor we nor plants.
But cutting neck sure we will feel pain, same do animals.
ruclips.net/video/d7wYzcaELQk/видео.html ... She is the same girl??
@john__6087, great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
You can wake up someone who is asleep, but no one can wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep
Yea bro
Exactlyy
@cakunjanshahkandivalimumba4835 he is talking about her not him.
Exactly. Like the vegans
@@train_xc how?
My friend all I can say is that I admire your patience 🤦🤦🤦
She feel the pain of plucking an apple, then this world is not for her😂😂
She's lying and being dishonest! She knows she's can't defend it, so just being stupid to counter
THIS GIRL NEEDS ACHARYA PRASHAT DOSE.
@@SUMITKUMAR-hl4vl😂
@@SUMITKUMAR-hl4vl ur right 😅
They say, it's difficult to win an arguement against a wise person but is impossible to win it against a stupid person 😂.
Hahaha that’s why she appears to have lost
Jetha lal's meme of "A PAGAL AURAT" fits perfectly when she said kidnapping a child is equal to plucking an apple.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
(Woman😂☕☕😂) meme is made for her only
I don't know how these kinds of questions comes in mind
fir to seb todne wale ko jail me daalo
😂😂kitna patience hai yaar arvind mein ye bakwas sunne ka
Thank you, Arvind. I have changed from vegetarian to vegan because of you and now my mother is also a vegan now. My father is slowly changing to vegan. I think despite some egoic minds who question stupid questions like this, there are lots of people changing into vegan because of you. Keep up your good work and keep yourself calm always. Because I can't imagine myself being calm as you when hearing this kind of stupid question. Thank you
Happy Vegan life❤
God bless you please don't quit as its all for the animals
in short, its called badniyati aur apne saap se imaandaar na hona (not being honest)
if she would go and ask same question to Acharya Prashant
then that would be an interesting conversation which would open her and many viewers thoughts
But i can consume dairy products if we have our own cows and buffalo and we know that we don't harm them .
One argument could be made like
We humans need food to survive, right.
We have two options, plants and animals.
One thing is for sure that animals feel pain when they are killed, and some people are saying plants also feel pain when cut.
So, Veganism is all about reducing the suffering as much as we can, right.
When you eat 1kg plant, you eat 1kg plant
But when you eat 1kg animal, you eat approx 10 kg plants.
So, if you are so considerate of plants feeling pain, then the best option is to eat plants only, there's less suffering of plants there.
A human cannot be compared to an animal as its value and potential is nothing compared to that of a humans. An animals pain and suffering is completely insignificant.
@AbhilipsaSatapathy-ig9wt Animals suffer but to care for their suffering is subjective and ultimately our choice.
@@sushmitbanerjee1660 yes, its a choice, an immoral choice because it is affecting someone(animals) negatively. we have the power & privilege to make the right choice and animals don't. Think from the perspective of victim, would you say the same?
@@sushmitbanerjee1660 very truly said, you can never force empathy on someone, you never should actually.
But one must spread awareness what big harm the meat industry is causing to the humans on earth, specially me
@@premg062 I shouldn't have to think from the perspective of an inferior being.
Hahaha a plants child has been kidnapped was so funny😂😂
His shocking reaction to that answer was more funny 😂
This shows to what extent a person can go to satisfy their ego despite knowing deep inside that what they are saying is terribly illogical. Somebody give this women a award for being the most "Honest" opinion😂😂
The way you speak and respond is phenomenal, more animal activists must learn from you! Great work.
So what is her solution? Eat animals to save the plants? But does she realise that the animals she eats are eating the plants she so suddenly cares about?
As if she really cared about what she claimed to be pain for them. I won't be surprised if I may find taste buds as the reason behind her excuses.. She seemingly not bothered even in her wildest dream, about the pain of either plants or animals
She just wanted to win the conversation . She doesn't care about the plants too, she even doesn't care about her parents . She is the most selfish evil woman
Don't you realise the chickens you want to save if we leave will be eaten by other carnivores.
Do you realize that the chickens you want to save when we leave them, they will be eaten by other carnivores like dogs and cats.
@@Bossmybad so you're eating the chickens to prevent carnivores from eating them? So basically your motive for eating chickens is even more heinous. And btw, our dogs and cats won't be creating horrific animal farms.
this girl forced me to go vegan more, because now i am afraid that what meat can do to your brain😂
thank you all for so many likes 😊
Veganism has no correlation with intelligence. This is the kind of bs thinking that vegans have.
Exactly 😅 . Eating body parts of innocent beings will not do any good to our body and brain. Go 🥦🥕🌽vegan
😂😂😂😂
@Vegan.Bohemian2022 earlier i was in doubt but now i am 'confirmed'.
Needing to justify eating meat is robbing people of their senses. The fact that she would say that it's the same to pick an apple as kicking a sleeping dog or kidnapping a child shows how sick she has become. All so she can put a tortured dead animal in her mouth. So sad.
Girl should be awarded with no-1 hypocrite of the day🎉🎉
This was brain breaking.... Fruits actually evolved to attract animals to eat them so they can spread their seeds, not the same as grapes which propagate through making roots on the wines which are laying on the ground... People that eat meat go to such mental gymnastics just prove that their point of view is the only one. Thank you for trying and that was the perfect point to stop the conversation cause it was leading nowhere.
she is right that plant and animal both have feelings but
Plant have the natural ability to grow himself again but animals have not. If someone plucking an apple from it then it will grow again but if someone Cut the leg of a human or an animal then it will not grow again. So by this explanation animals feels more pain then plants and that's the reason we have to choose Less pain and plants have to sacrifice himself.
@@mrjha6085 exactly, & many times if you take a piece of a plant and put it in the ground then it sprouts more plants. Put an animal part in the ground & it will rot & become food for some bugs.
@@mrjha6085 I disagree. Plants do NOT feel pain. Pain is a process that HAS to be tied to conscientiousness. It just HAS to be! Plants simply don't have brains to process such pain and in fact Arvind had a really strong argument in the beginning, but maybe he was not biologically fitted enough to continue the conversation. He was right.
Neurological signals are simply a form a cellular communication. It's ridiculous to conclude from this transformation of information alone, that pain HAS to be tied to it. By this logic, you can conclude that even neurological transmissions that releases dopamine is pain simply because the neurological Transmission are happening. This is possibly the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard and an argument that only a person who did not pass 10th grade biology would make.
@@energeticstunts993brother, everyone is not a Science student. So be careful to before speaking anything about scientific explanation.
They want a ethical answer. So I gave them as simple as I can.
A plant can regrow itself If or else They feel pain but Animal cannot able to regrow Their organ.
When animals also be able to regrow their organ then you can cut your leg and make biryani and eat this because your leg will regrow again
@@mrjha6085
Science has nothing to do with it.
This is entirely a subjective issue based on a philosophy that is made up by humans.
There is no such thing as morals and ethics in reality.
The Plants and Animals are eaten alike in nature Irrespective of their capability of feeling pain and stress.
They are all part of the food chain.
If a person believes that they don't want to eat a conscious food source then that is their personal choice entirely based on their own beliefs.
There is nothing good or bad about eating the food.
Humans are omnivorous creatures and produce the enzymes to digest meat.
Long long live Arvind what a response
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
I'd have liked to see what she would have said about the amount of plants that die to feed those victims she'd like to consume.
Animal agriculture kills far more plants and trees than human beings.. imagine feeding 60 billion farm animals who are herbivores!! These folks are killing entire ecosystem and pretend as if they care for plants blaming vegans.. such a pathetic irony and hypocrisy..
Just stop pretending to care about plants and trees and acknowledge the exploitation and slavery
she is right that plant and animal both have feelings but
Plant have the natural ability to grow himself again but animals have not. If someone plucking an apple from it then it will grow again but if someone Cut the leg of a human or an animal then it will not grow again. So by this explanation animals feels more pain then plants and that's the reason we have to choose Less pain and plants have to sacrifice himself.
@@mrjha6085 are u being sarcastic
@@prajwalnagesh7478 what happened to you?
@@mrjha6085good
Sir you are doing great work
Don't ever stop in the way...
You deserve a noble prize ❤
Exactly!!
The Nobel prize deserves this girl for being born without a brain.😂
What?
"What should we conclude from this?" Great rebuttal!!! i can imagine how difficult it would have been navigating her dissonance... she is just dishonest to herself. I hope she sees through it!!!!
She is just arrogant and wants to justify that if you can kill plants, we can kill animals which is the dumbest comparison I have ever seen on youtube because it's evident that we are trying to go with lesser violence and pain. Girl, at least be honest and kill animals and eat instead of just blaming people who are really caring for their fellow animals.
And a good response from Aravind to end the conversation.
An human cannot be compared to an animal as its value and suffering is nothing compared to that of an animal. An animals pain and suffering is completely insignificant.
@@sushmitbanerjee1660o it's not insignificant. Why it is insignificant because they can't talk or laugh or cry. Here everybody is insignificant to somebody else.
Arvind is very kind and logical.
We are very cruel so we kills and eats animals. We don't have compassion so we kills and eats animals. We have to accept this truth instead of saying animals life is insignificant.
@nomoskarramin637 No, he is not putting. He is just telling what she implied. She is dishonest. She doesn't found any flaw in him. At the end he only found her lies. Even if she follows her logic, still she doesn't kills humans. Why she feels belonging.
Assume she in the jungle with two childs with no animals. If she treats plant life and human life same, she has to kill everyday 10-20 apples (child of trees) as her food instead of killing one child. She is choosing greater violence. Life is life right. Why don't she value numbers and eat human child instead of killing lot of plant life. See the imbalance 10 child(apple) vs 1 child of human.
What do you think buddy. What she will choose. She is an absolute liar without exception with her last statement. But she is consistent with her logic. But There is a difference between talking logically and being dishonest. She is dishonest.
Typical bong lady
@nomoskarramin637typical bong
I really have only one thing to say again and again, i feel that the best thing that happened on this earth till date is the Birth of our leaders like Arvind bhaiya and Vignesh sir and others! Thankyou universe for providing them between us🙏🙏🙏🙏 Hes a man with wit and a heart that of never ending feminine energy!long live🙏🙏🙏🙏
Exactly I want today same things about him.
Before them Mahaveer and Buddha.
Acharya prashant too ❤
Robin Singh too
Acharya Prashant, Robin singh, Suresh vyas, arvind bro
Soon you'll see one more.
I can hurt 1kg plants by directly eating them and not by feeding 20kg plants to an animal to get 1kg meat.
Because in both cases I get same amount of food but in the first case, plant-violence is 20 times less.
agree with u and the veganism idea but u roasting urself by saying this if we dont feed animals still they will eat the plants dude
@@vishalfgm 80% of Earth's cropland is used for animal agriculture. If we stop animal agriculture, then we will not breed these animals into billions. And we can let the natural animals live by themselves.
Do you know that there are only 4% wild animals left on earth. Rest 96% is humans and the animals that humans use or eat.
What are you saying? Say clearly.
Right now 80% of the world's cropland is used for animal feed. And those animals are not roaming in the jungles. They are forcefully bred by humans.
75% of the world's cropland will be freed if we stop animal agriculture.
Animal agriculture is also the leading cause of deforestation because we need land to grow crops. And then there is HUGE biodiversity loss because wild animals don't have jungles to live in anymore.
Veganism solves all of these problems. @@vishalfgm
I think if someone believes plants are sentient, it can be added that more plants are killed if we eat animals than if we directly eat plants due to trophic levels . So there'll be more " plant casualties" by eating animals than directly eating plants as far as I know.
Correct
Exactly 💯
Perfect
The lady loves plants so much and she is omnivorous 🙃
That's stupidity there
Scary that some humans can be so unabashedly dishonest and apathetic … when it comes to safeguarding their selfishness, greed and self entitlements over hapless animals. Kudos Arvind for your patience.
For the past 2 to 3 years, I am learning and I learned a lot from you. I became vegan, and I am happy with my decision. I thank dheeraj (myself) for taking this decision before 3 years.❤ #vegan
Proud of people like u sir
"Plant feelings tho"
🤦♂️
You handled it like a boss. 💪
If every living being feel pain according to her, then she doesn't eat anything at all surviving without food and water 😂😂
Handled like a boss? He gave the dumbest explanation first
@@isacjohnson8891 like how is logical stuff supposed to be dumb
Even if plants feel pain, animals eat more plants anyway
So the best way to reduce suffering is to not eat animals!
they don't have central nervous system, brain and pain receptors so how can they feel pain
It really is remarkable the lengths that some people will go to try to justify the unnecessary suffering inflicted upon animals. Not to mention quite frankly how daft it makes them look.
Crabs and lobsters feel even more pain because they lack the system to protect them that other animals have. 😢😢😢
Perfect example of PAGAL AURAT
That was incredibly well done. I think you balanced being polite and non-judgmental with not justifying obvious intellectual dishonesty with a response. I think she realized how weak her argument sounded at the end; hopefully she takes it to heart and chooses to change rather than react negatively.
Thank you so much for uploading these videos, Arvind bro & team
She is lucky that she has a mask to hide her face while embarrassing herself.
😂
This is amazing! Hats off to your patience. I have lots of respect for you
While the mother doesn't want his child kidnapped(causes a lot of trauma for both the child and parents) The tree wants us to eat it's fruit proof:Plants have evolved various strategies to entice animals to eat their fruit, which helps in seed dispersal. Here are some common methods:
1. Color and Attraction: Fruits are often brightly colored to catch the attention of animals. Red, orange, and yellow are common fruit colors that stand out in natural surroundings.
2. Sweetness: Many fruits are sweet due to the presence of sugars, which appeal to animals' taste buds.
3. Aroma: Fruits emit enticing scents that animals can detect from a distance, attracting them to the source.
4. Nutrient Reward: Fruits often contain essential nutrients and vitamins that are beneficial to animals.
5. Soft Texture: The soft and fleshy texture of fruits is more appealing to animals than hard, unripe fruits.
6. Seed Protection: Some plants have evolved seeds with hard shells or pits that are indigestible for animals, ensuring the seeds are eventually dispersed away from the parent plant.
7. Symbiotic Relationships: Some plants form mutually beneficial relationships with specific animals, like birds or mammals, that become their primary seed dispersers.
8. Timing: Fruit ripening is often synchronized with the availability of animals that can disperse seeds, ensuring the fruit is eaten when the seeds are ready for dispersal.
These adaptations help plants ensure their seeds are spread to new locations, increasing their chances of survival and reproduction.
For your kind info didi . Plucking and eating fruit is necessaey part of reproduction in a plant . Plant produces Fruit to attract animal who will Plant its seed after eating the fruit .
But Kidnapping a kid is not a part of reproduction in animals .
And plant will not die if we eat a fruit but a animal dies if we eat it
Great Arvind Sir
To be so patient when faced with such utter stupidity, is worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize!
knock knock " I am the kidnapper " where is my apple 😇
You really really deserve a noble prize!
Another scenario - the girl is driving and dog suddenly comes in the way. She has a split second to decide whether to hit the dog or to swerve and run over a bunch of bushes or small trees, and save herself and the dog, what was she do?
Dear Aravind, you have missed following 7 important points :
Qn1) "What is the purpose behind an apple tree growing apples?"
An) "The purpose behind an apple tree growing apples is related to the tree's reproductive process. Apples are the fruit of the apple tree, and they contain seeds. The tree produces apples as a means of dispersing its seeds and ensuring the survival and propagation of the species. When apples ripen, they entice animals or humans to eat them, and the seeds are subsequently spread through the digestive system or by other means. If the conditions are favorable, the seeds can germinate and grow into new apple trees, continuing the life cycle of the species. So, the purpose behind apple tree growing apples is ultimately for reproduction and the continuation of the apple tree lineage".
Qn 2) "Which of the following human activity is considered as specism : repeated selective hybridization for high yielding varieties of crops or repeated artificial insemination of cows to produce milk in diary industry and slaughtering cows once they no longer produce milk"?
An) "The activity that could be considered as speciesism in the given options is the slaughtering of the same cow once it no longer produces milk in the dairy industry. Speciesism involves treating one species as superior or more important than others and often results in the exploitation or mistreatment of certain species. In this case, the cow is being treated as a mere commodity, valued solely for its ability to produce milk, and is ultimately disposed of when it no longer serves that purpose. This practice reflects a discriminatory view that disregards the inherent value and welfare of the cow as an individual. Repeated selective hybridization for high-yielding varieties of crops is not considered speciesism. Speciesism typically refers to the unjustified discrimination or mistreatment of animals based on their species. In the context of crop hybridization, it involves the controlled breeding of plants with desirable traits to improve crop yields, disease resistance, or other beneficial characteristics. This process is focused on manipulating plant genetics rather than mistreating or discriminating against animals".
Qn3) Do 'Arabidopis Thaliana' feel pain?
An) "Arabidopsis thaliana has various types of receptors that enable it to perceive and respond to different environmental cues. However, it's important to note that plants do not possess a central nervous system or a brain, so the concept of pain as experienced by animals is not applicable to them.
Plants have specialized receptors that allow them to sense and respond to stimuli such as light, gravity, temperature, touch, and chemicals. For example, photoreceptors enable plants to detect light and regulate their growth and development accordingly. Similarly, receptors in the root system help plants respond to gravity and grow in the appropriate direction.
While plants can detect and respond to stimuli, their responses are typically biochemical and physiological rather than conscious experiences of pain or discomfort. They have evolved intricate signaling pathways to perceive and react to their environment, but these responses are not akin to the sensation of pain experienced by animals".
Qn 4) "What is specism?". "Is human beings harvesting rice from a rice plant for consumption regarded as specism?"
An) "Speciesism refers to the discrimination or unjust treatment of individuals based on their species. It involves considering one species, typically humans, as superior or more valuable than other species, and using this belief to justify differential treatment or exploitation of non-human animals.
Harvesting rice from a rice plant for consumption does not fall under the definition of speciesism. Speciesism typically pertains to the mistreatment or exploitation of sentient beings, particularly animals, based on their species. Rice plants are not sentient or conscious beings; they lack the capacity for subjective experiences or the ability to feel pain or suffering. Therefore, harvesting rice for consumption is not considered speciesist, as it does not involve the unjust treatment or discrimination against sentient beings".
Qn5) "do apple tree feel pain if we pluck apples from apple tree"?
An) "No, apple trees do not feel pain when we pluck apples from them. Pain is a complex sensation that requires a nervous system and specialized receptors to perceive and process. As plants, apple trees lack a central nervous system and the necessary structures to experience pain. While they can respond to external stimuli through various mechanisms, such as growth responses or chemical signaling, their responses are not indicative of pain or conscious awareness. So, plucking apples from an apple tree does not cause pain to the tree itself".
Qn6) "what is the purpose behind a rice plant growing rice?"
An) "The purpose behind a rice plant growing rice is related to its reproductive process. Rice grains are the seeds of the rice plant, and their purpose is to ensure the survival and propagation of the species. When rice plants produce grains, they are essentially producing a vessel that contains the plant's genetic material, allowing it to be dispersed and germinate into new rice plants under favorable conditions. The production of rice grains is part of the plant's reproductive strategy to ensure the continuation of its lineage. Animals like birds can play a role in the reproduction of rice plants. Birds contribute to seed dispersal. After rice plants have produced mature grains, birds can consume the seeds and then excrete them in different locations. This dispersal mechanism helps in the colonization of new areas and the expansion of rice plant populations.
Qn7) "do a rice plant feel pain when we harvest rice as compaired to a cow butchered for meat?"
An) "Plants do not have a central nervous system or a brain, which are necessary for experiencing pain in the same way that animals do. While plants can respond to stimuli such as light, water, and touch, their responses are not indicative of the conscious experience of pain. On the other hand, animals, including cows, have complex nervous systems and can experience pain and suffering. Harvesting rice involves the collection of mature grains from the plant, which does not cause pain or suffering to the plant itself".
Please include these points next time you encounter "plucking an apple is same as slaughtering a animal" scenario.
I really appreciate you work. You are great.
Warm Regards
Midhlaj
👍👍👍
keep it up bro Arvind. you are great man. i would say it is plain silly to compare plants and animals that they are feeling the same level of pain..
that lady doesn't care about anything,but win the argument.
you are extremely gifted! i am already vegan but your work is the kind i would want to share with non-vegans. a beautiful combination of intelligence, empathy, but also strength in your words.
That girl is arguing for the sake of it. Anyway, in a natural state of things, Apple or any fruit or flower naturally withers and detatches from the plant or the tree after the fruit becomes very ripe whereas the plant continues to live healthily for a longer duration without feeling pain. The same cannot be said of the animal - it's organs or limbs don't detatch even when the animal continues to live without them, with the exception of say, a lizard or earthworm.
No, she is absolutely right except last line. Even we humans don't want to give up our nails , hair if somebody forcefully takes away for their food even we don't feel pain. We have to offer it by ourselves.
@@LogosSparkno, she is wrong.
Your comparison with nails is wrong because the perspective is from the one who needs food.
It is fair for us to take food from plants.
It is also fair for someone who needs our nails or hair, if such being existed, to take it from us.
@@johnlove2954 No, she is right. One has to take by asking permission not forcefully.
@@johnlove2954Its their problem they are unable to get their food through other sources. We are sacrificing our beauty for their hunger. So it should be on voluntary basis not in a coercive way
@@LogosSpark😂 lol permission, the joke was nice.
I am totally flabbergasted by the way the girl replied 😅
Let us not bash this little girl here. The conditioning is so strong it makes her speak without using her ability to think and rationalize. It takes a lot of time to come out of the conditioning. It took me 44 years in my life to realize what is happening in the name of food is pathetic. I hope she will get the message sooner than me.
True. Shouldn't be bashed but should be called out for her utter dishonesty and nonusage of basic intelligence.
That's the origins of a demon, for whom eating a human being and a fruit is the same thing. There's no point in rationalizing with demons.
@@religionofpeace782 Your purported intelligence appears to be an exquisite testament to the art of futility; a symphony of uselessness, if you will.
I have seen this so many times before. People want so much to prove the correctness of their argument that they will disregard what they would do in an actual situation just to win that argument with you. You can tell by her response that she did not believe what she was arguing. She only wanted to show her correctness to Arvind.
Amazing work!! I am such a big fan of yours!!👏👏
Good that she is wearing a mask, she could infect people with BS.
Thank u so much Arvind, this is my first step towards vegan diet.
very difficult to convince people to stop eating meat because they will always come up with this plant debate
It's very kind of you, the way you tried to explain and make her understand. Great.
the girl is totally mad...
Such a patience.. I like it when you asked what is your take on this.. 😂😂😂 absolute silence for few seconds. Later I liked how to ended the conversation even when you figured she was lying it .
I think people are getting more mad by reading too much scientific theories that says Plants feel pain myths.
Definitely the suffering of humans and animals is not equal to the Plants. That our conscience knows.
If suppose tomorrow a cannibal kidnaps us for food, we will not say that Plants feel Pain myth to justify their actions. Plants are not sentient. But animals and Humans are Sentient.
Cruelty always leads us towards stressful life and hell.
Compassion always leads us towards peaceful life and heaven.
So let us always choose the Compassionate path.
Sorry for using this, its only to her
WOMEN ☕☕
My Respect for Prophet Muhammad increased. She is one of those half minded.
Nailed , joker Nayak 1/4 minded
So whenever she eats apple or any fruit , it's equivalent to any human lost its child😌
I wonder what her mom will think of her if see this video?
I want to add my own experience here. During my childhood, I used to visit my grandparent's place and they have 3 big guava trees. One day I notice a fully ripe guava falling below the tree because no one pluck it from the tree. then, I understand that it's a necessity to consume it either by animals or humans otherwise fruit will be dropped by the tree itself. Fruit contains seeds and if we sow seeds near a tree, it will not grow much. But when a human or animals eat a tree, they spread the seeds which help to spread and sustain that plant and tree species. when you pluck an apple, the tree continues to grow and produce more fruits which tell us that plucking a fruit will not kill a tree. it's like if someone takes away our grown hair, it will not cause us pain and the sign is that our hair will be grown back after some time and its only possible when the source is still alive.
I have seen mad people but this girl is the brand Ambassador of “Mad People” Community, Arvind sir you are 101% Right and girl is 1001% Wrong
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This ultimately showed education is not more important than common sense at first & people in top schools and colleges have the worst of common sense thinking the other way of solving problems which don’t exist at first place. Great patience by you Arvind . Hope she see the video and regret later
Perfect response Arvind, you are a hero, keep it up!
Great Conversation…I really love watching and hearing to the content
Then she can eat human's meat and can start from her family members 😡😡😡
maan, those carnists sound so crazy, do they even hear themselves
If she's so worried about plants, she should be vegan. She will do way less harm overall. End of story.
Omg! You are amazing bro!!!!! Like Really!!!!! Omg! I am Vegan and will continue to be always!!!
Arvind sir
Please ask her that if she and her family somehow stuck into a situation where there is no food (animals) to eat and there is only apple tree or any fruit , vegetables plants then will she pluck an Apple to eat or will she eat her family?
Arvind answers to all the illogical and provoking questions with patience...love u arvind...ur angel of god whos trying to spread love...im learning so much from u ..
I'm so disgusted by such people's claims, they are so disingenuous
For me the conversation had ended when she did not answer your question that “What is your takeaway from this research?”. Admire your patience in the face of absolute lunacy. May she realise one day that to win the argument she lost her humanity. More power to you man!
May God save world from this woman...
May god save 'animals' from her actually
Yr amount of patience is insane
8:18 What a boss Arvind. Know when to terminate the 'conversation'. I wonder what her parents did to her.
@plurabelle5 > why make personal attacks using potential trauma
In my experience, all parents damage their children in some way. Inquiring as to how isn't a 'personal' attack.
It's not about our perception.
Arvind sir is absolutely right. "That's us being selfish".
The girl is a dishonest person and a big liar.
She isn't fighting for what's happening right in front of her eyes and she doesn't want to talk about that, instead she is busy using illogical and dishonest arguments.
People just want to justify wrong and for that they'll do anything that comes to their ignorant minds.
Thank you so much Arvind for showing your patience.
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It is absolutely clear that killing and eating animals just for the sake of taste is not justified in any way. By raising such ridiculous questions you just want to divert the issue.
Thanks Arvind, keep it up. ❤🙏
Amazing patience you have arvind, if i would have been there my anger would be burst out
Arvind bro I have just one word "amazing"
Very nice points and the way you ended was just wonderful 😊
Love you brother ❤
I am vegan for almost 1 and half year. I was asked the same question, my simple answer was it's not about plant,animal or human feeling pain, it's always about what I feel. I feel pain when animal cry or die bacause they can show it not plant. I need science instruments to detec their pain that I can't do.
The final reasoning could have been that some plants completely rely on the fact that their seeds need to be carried away from the mother plant to another place (through fruit consumption)for the continuation of the tree. Same cannot be said for animals. This design of nature solves the dilemma between kidnapping a child and plucking an apple.
Veganism is all about choosing something to eat for survival which is least harmful or minimally harmful.
So eating plants is less cruel than eating animals.
I love how good he can speak. Rhetorically he is great and that's important to share a message this important.
How are they that stupid to ask such silly qns??
That's common sense ...
More power to you arvind 💗
Its funny how All of a sudden ppl have started to care about stimulis in plants as soon as animal suffering and veganism is brought to light.
when people dont want themself to be proven wrong they go in defense mode , and then they say illlogical things .
Defeating cognitive dissonance and arrogance is impossible when the conviction doesn't rise from within. No matter what you say, people who simply have accepted the fact that they are cruel from the core are too late to be saved, not that they deserve it but for the sake of animals we must try. Great job Arvind. Keep at it.
Such carnists will die on the hill to not lose an argument and in the process prove that they're dishonest, disingenuous and apathetic.
People who disrespect animals by comparing them to plants and say that killing plants, animals and humans is the same, should ask themselves whether they'll be okay if someone kidnaps their parents/partners/children/friends, abuses and molests them, murders them, and finally chops up their body parts and eats them.
I can't believe being a female and learning about artificial insemination - which is the brutal sexual abuse of animals, she had the courage, shamelessness and the audacity to compare it with bananas.
Damn! She should be ashamed of herself. These kind of people are the scum of the earth.
Absolutely
I've been seeing your videos a lot and I'm trying to allign myself in the path, it's so sad to see lot of students with false ego or they simply don't want to accept reality and be open about it to make world better, rather they stick on to their ignorance
GOOD RESPONSE
Fruits developed for the purpose of being plucked so that the seeds get spread around.
Amazing answer to her question. I’m so tried of people keep using the “well plants are lives too” argument
Another issue they neglect is: farm animals eat plants too! In fact, they consume way more food than how much its meat/egg/milk can produce for human. By their logic, we should eat less meat so fewer plants are killed!
She - Got skipped by school
Her confidence - Rejected Harvard
Woman☕☕ 😂😂, this meme is for her only especially.
Wow you are hero i know how you fell alone with that kind of thinking you right bro .
The girl is being ignorant from heart she know Aravind is right but she doesn't want to lose the debate.