I am cutting videos for 20 years now and the requirements to work on the footage have constantly grown. I needed to upgrade my PC every ~ three years, which usually meant new MB, CPU and sometimes RAM, a HD/SSD and a GPU, but overall not more then 500$/year resulting in an up to date system. I just currently updated to the i9 12900k with a new MB, but kept my DDR RAM and GPU and am absolutely happy. (I do not want know what it would have meant financially if I was stuck on Apple, and being forced to buy a completely new system every time)
What wise and inspiring words. Thanks for sharing. My business is now 3-4 years old and im starting to feel the same cycle but need and want to be cost-efficient and time efficient. Do you work with h265 422 10 bit? Or just pro-Formats? Bec. Thats what i use and unsure if intel or mac is better
You don’t have to buy a new system every-time… older max pro systems still perform beast with out spending over 3k on a pc build or newer mac pro… even if you look at pricing now Especially for video cards.. it’s cheaper still buying an M1 set up or a prebuilt.. costs to performance ratio is way too high right now with what’s going on
Thank you for not making this one sided and bringing in someone who knows the mac side well. All the "popular" tech youtubers are making it seem like M1 MAX/PRO absolutely murders PC and that there is no PC equilivant in terms of power.
Portability is really the only factor. I bought my Asus crosshair am4 build with a Ryzen 1700 back in 2017 and it absolutely crushed edits with my GH5 4k60 and 10 bit footage no problem. Here i am almost 5 years later with the same build and for 250$ used i got a 3900xt and plus a 150$ AIO (which i didnt even need that high end) it can keep up plenty fine with my now 6k footage and anything i can throw at it. Basically under 1000$ in upgrades over 5 years. Oh and it can game (haha little jab at Apple) If that doesn't show the inexpensiveness and longevity in the windows pc build area idk what else does.
For me, the first deciding factor when talking PC vs Mac is the OS. Although I have used Macs back in computer lab (so I have some experiences with it) I've personally always highly prefered and used Windows. Plus I also prefere having a desktop over a laptop, so I'll always go for a PC (at least for now, I'm open to switch when there's a good reason to).
Honestly, in the end of the days it doesn't matter what you have as long as it helps you do what you want to get done! Some prefer one some other! Thanks for sharing! :)
I love this format. I am so used to watching reviewers talking alone and watching you guys ham and egg it was really great, and you probably were able to provide more information to us because of this format than you even thought as you planned the video. You are 2 practical guys and this was really enjoyable to listen. Thanks a lot.
What is surprising when you are talking about costs, is that very few people talk about the "cost of use", you just mention that a tower will need around a 650W power supply, which mean that it needs around 10 times more power than a Mac... depending on your everyday use, it can easily add 500$ or € to your energy bill (and sometimes more). These graphic cards (still unavailable un many places) are power hungry!!! I'm a tower pc user, with an old mac for nomadic uses, looking for an upgrade on both systems...
I think you had a great conclusion, if you don't need portability go with a custom desktop. Also keep in mind that a desktop is easily upgradable, it is easy to change the configuration depending on new needs while with a laptop, expecially macbooks, once you clicked "buy" that is your pc and you gotta keep it. I'm really interested to see how the new 12th gen mobile will perform, despite the difference in architecture between ARM and x86 those new intel cpus are quite promising
Actually guys I think Intel is gonna stick around for a while, I'm not a fanboy and I'll recommend whatever works best at the time, but the 12th gen is seriously amazing! I'm excited to see what the performance will be like on the mobile 12th gen :)
Apple does not support their products. I had a mac with a known manufacturer's defect. I could not find a authorized dealer willing to fix the manufacturer recall.
Just got MSI GP66, I9 12th gen, 3080TI, 32GB DDR5 and 1TB m.2 drive for $2K. Will that be a good enough laptop to edit in my campervan? I'll be using Premiere Pro.
Question: im 90% Video editor in Davinci Resolve (currently i9900k + rtx 3080 tower) and i use hevc/h265 10bit 422 100fps Sony a LOT. The machine is good, but struggles with the mentioned Codec. -> for best TIMELINE-Performance + fastest Resolve STABILISATION and heavy colorgrading (with resolve OFX „bloom“ etc)…would you reccomend intel or Mac?
@@cj7073 Nvidia don't support HEVC 4:2:2 on any of their GPUs CJ and the only CPUs with accelerated support for it are the latest Intel 12th gens (edit: and 11th gens although I'm not sure how good that support is).
@@FantabMedia how do you come to this conclusion? I have currently rented an m1 imac and its absolutely not even close to the main pc. It struggles with the slightest colorgrade, not even talking GPU-intensive stuff. Or were you talking macbook m1 pro/max? Also: i only ever have 1-3 streams running at the same time in timeline, however i do tons of speedramps (up to 4000% speed) that absolutely takes very long to render out (even just for initial review) HERE i would see the most improvement timewise…so 10streams is useless to me, i need a system that can decode blazing fast in h265 422
@@FantabMedia so anything.other than 12th gen will perform worse on resolve on that codec?
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The performance with the M1 is truly incredible. But I would like your opinion on how durable it is for day and night continuous work? I don't think it can be compared with a desktop computer for constant max loads.
Not sure if my last comment didn't post or was deleted but latest Premiere Pro version scores over 1300 on M1 Max (the M1 Pro actually scores higher than your M1 Max score) and Adobe have promised more optimisations to improve M1 performance in the near future. You must have used an older Premiere version or older benchmark.
That's good to know, but something I haven't seen online... 🤔 Have a look at the latest benchmark results posted by pugetsystems: www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/?age=30&benchmark=&application=premiere+pro&specs=m1+pro#results-table The average scores are still around 1000... ? If you posted a link on your previous comment then YT automatically 'bans' it just in case :)
Very good points in your video, especially when talking about use case. The I5 is a great value for money while competing with M1 Max, at 3:09. But benchmarks are bad when Apple is not getting good marks. But benchmarks are great when M1 beats Intel. Reading comments, I see a lot of apple fans trying to defend their laptops and talking about efficiency. I don't care about efficiency with a desktop. That's the point with it, to get the full power and not be bottlenecked by thermal limits with M1 design. For a laptop, sure, efficiency makes a lot of sense. Compare mac laptops with windows laptops, compare mac desktops with windows desktops. And yes, I know the M1 Max Ultra is more efficient than the 3090, we know that graph and we know it's bullshit. Regarding SSDs, you'll not see on macs or windows reach that 7GB/s, that happens only in some remote situations, not in daily use, video editing etc.
OMG, thank you so much for this video. I have been busting my brain deciding which way to go. To buy MacBook Pro or wait for for the Intel gen 12 but the cost for either one of them will be extremely high for 1 machine. Now, you guys just helped me out. I think I will go with the route of getting MacBook Air and a custom PC for the similar price of one MBP or expensive Windows laptop. Thank you so much.
I am a PC guy. This video made me FOMO less on the Mac book. I can't stand the Mac operating system but all the reviews made me drools. Thanks for saving me money!!
One thing to keep in mind when comparing price/performance between laptops and desktops is the cost of an appropriate monitor. I'm sure many will have multiple monitors when working in your studio, but you must have at least one monitor for the tower.
You also need to keep in mind the limited capacity, for a Mac you need to think carefully about how and how many external devices you want to connect and how much it will cost. Due to the very limited expansion possibilities, and the modest built-in capacities.
Absolutely right Steven! Yet for a lot of people upgrading their systems, they might already have a monitor setup, and would rather not pay for an extra monitor they not need. Just depends what they need :)
@@theTechNotice ... I do graphic design, I use 2 monitors for easier work, I often have to have two tool open, word, or photo viewer and In design or corel or illustrator, a colleague took a Mac mini, he also uses two monitors ... and that's the problem , keyboard, mouse, 1 monitor on HDMI, another on thunderbolt , and one usb-c external storage drive .. and all the expansion resources were spent. The Bluetooth keyboard and mouse are too expensive, so the keyboard is used with the old Mac and PC mouse.
Yeah, because these pc specs with i9 and 3090 are $4000 without a monitor, so you’re looking at hundreds more for a desktop than a comparable MacBook Pro as of 6/2022.
Hi guys! Please would you make a decent PC in price lower than 2000 and still able to use premiere video editing and no problems. For 4k and I heard you said i5 is enough. Maybe you can add a colour grade and animated text play on the timeline. I just ordered my a74 and I will not gonna use 4k recording because of my old laptop. Please 🙏🏻
@@theTechNotice OMG! You just made my day now! I just purchased Sony a74 and Sıgma 24-70 f2,8 art lenses. Wıll start my new channel soon :D thanks a lot! So happy now
You scores look for M1 Max and Pro look dated, Did you use an older version of Premiere or benchmark? Also do the same kind of video for DaVinci Resolve with updated software.
I pulled these benchmarks from Pugetbench database and the most recent scores, took about 8 and calculated the average then compared them with big reviewers like Dave2d, Matthew Monitz, LTT. So they should be as point as it can get ;)
Unfortunately there isn't Pugetbench available for Mac OS, which is the best DR benchmark... I wish they'd update that, then we could have apples and apples comparisons :)
Great talk. I think you forgot one aspect in favor of a Mac - the resale value. I'm always shocked how much are people willing to pay for used Mac laptops! Resale value of a custom built PC is very limited... and in 6 years its pretty much 0. I've always built my own PC and now for the first time, I'm thinking of swithing. Getting a mid tier Macbook M2 Pro, connect my two 4k monitors and my old peripherials, and if needed take it with me as its a laptop... but I just know so many thing would dive me nuts in Apple ecossytem!! I may wait for M3...
First psychology and body language. People who move hands a lot are weak minded. Second, for the price of any apple crap I can buy laptop with rtx 3060 or 3070 32/64gb of ram, 1+Tb ssd, better cooling and battery capacity. Which will not only render/work with any video/pic editing software faster. But also will be useful to connect bigger screen or two or three. Any mouse, keyboard, 5 or 7.1 speakers system and Ethernet cable. Will also let me play any game I want anytime. Third if your only argument about the price is "fans" or "raving fans" whatever that means and Idk if he meant cooling being loud or people. And if you need to add few times that this product is great. Then it's clear to anyone who has still at least few working brain cells, that this is a scam product.
I love the reviews from both of you, they are to the point and it's obvious that you focus on those necessary details for video editors! Thanks so much for reviewing them! I have one more question. Do you have any experience regarding theRTX A4000 & A5000 type GPUs? I'm wondering what effect the unlimited encode & decode limit for editing has in practice, and also with my 2060 SUPER 8GB it throws me an after effect message "you are low on VRAM" - set to maximum. I mostly cut videos, but I also stream, so I think the encode & decode limit could be used here as well. Thank you one more time for that you are doing best reviews.
Unfair to compare a laptop on battery with a desktop pc with heating. If youre in need of a workstation, pc is a better choice. But the resource management on the mac laptops are better suited for any kind of mobility. Pcs cant compete in that market, because of temperature and battery consumption. Ive tried most of them
Since I mostly work from home, a PC makes more sense. Also because PCs offer the ability to game and have more programs available than MacOS. On the go I have a budget laptop which does 1080p-4k with a little bit of waiting but its fine to at least spot footage and store it on there. It really matters what you want to do as you concluded. And with all those Macs and even the AirPods MAX on, I cant really understand how they call u windows fanboys ^^
At this point with the performance edge a Linux PC has running Davinci Resolve over both Windows and Mac, that is my editing environment of choice. Way more bang for the buck. An easily customizable workflow, with industry standard color grading, high end compositing, and high end audio baked in works for me, especially since Nuke, Maya, Renderman, and Blender all also run without hiccups on Linux.
Comparing PC and laptop is honestly not fair. You can never have enough power and cooling in a laptop, and you can never carry a PC and a monitor in your backpack comfortably.
@@theTechNoticeI guess then whatever is possible between the two, though there doesn't have to be a definitive conclusion, maybe just informing of their strengths and weaknesses.
Great video as always. Gonna build this once all parts arrive in 2 weeks only waiting on SSD and CPU cooler got everything else. What do you think technotice. Would this be a great build for video editing, music production and gaming. Asus Z690 Formula Wifi White gaming motherboard (bought this as Asus creator wifi z690 is sold out in Canada and i need thunderbolt 4 for music production with apollo audio interface) intel i9 12900K Corsair dominator RGB DDR 5 64gb total 5200 MHZ C40 Phanteks P600s case Corsair H150i Elite LCD CPU cooler EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 GPU ASUS THOR 1200 W Platinum Power supply unit Seagate firecuda 530 4tb NVME
Just one tip here, if you're using 4 sticks of DDR5 most likely you're not able to run it at XMP... check out my video about it here: ruclips.net/video/l0aHCKVqkVY/видео.html
Interesting comparison between MacBook and custom PC build. I've always been a Windows/PC/Android guy my whole life, but I did pick up a 16" M1 Pro with 32GB of RAM and 1 TB SDD, and I have to say, I've been really impressed with it and don't regret buying it at all. You can't really compare the prices apples to apples because you were saying roughly $3000 for MacBook and $1500 for custom desktop PC build. I wish you guys addressed the fact that you are also getting a whole package with a "top notch" display, amazing speakers, as well as unmatched battery life and build quality. With the custom build PC desktop, you have to address getting a monitor (comparable to the Liquid Retina XDR, even though it is only 16.2" vs a 27 or 32), along with a keyboard, mouse, and speakers to get a fair price comparison.
Fair points indeed! That's assuming that the buyer doesn't already have any of them already. If they do perhaps have a display and keyboard or some kind of setup and they're looking to just upgrade their performance and not pay for the extra of all those things (display, speakers, keyboard etc...) then performance wise they'd get more for their money buy getting a PC tower. YET, if they're starting from a clean sheet then yes you do have a point! Just depends on the situation of the person. With this video I was hoping to balance the conversations I've seen online regarding the performance for video editors online. And if I needed the best portable video editing PC, I'd go with MBP M1 MAX ;)
Never buy something that can only do one thing well, you're gonna be editing in Premiere Pro every time you're using the computer. Plus that was in one app.. Speaking as an everyday consumer not a studio editing long movies at work. If you edit, stream, play games etc getting ANY Mac doesn't make sense.
Great discussion. I have been thinking about whether I need a Macbook Pro. I have a tower PC with enough power and memory. If I need to access my video projects on the go, I have my Synology Diskstation DS218. I will continue to work with my PC and not buy a Macbook. Thanks for the great video. Best regards Amos
Hello Sir! GeForce RTX™ 2060 VENTUS 12G OC, I am planning to buy this graphic card with 12900k and z690 aero d Gigabyte.... iam buying that motherboard bcz in india Asus Proart z690 mother board is not in stock... i have tried a lot.... plz tell your thoughts sir for this. thank you
How bout the best AMD, Intel/ Windows laptops vs M1 Max/Pro, can these Windows laptops hold up against the Apple laptops? It would be great to compare the upcoming Ryzen 6000/ Intel 12th gen laptops vs M1 Max/Pro in future.
What is the point of comparing to pc build if no-one can get rtx for normal price, and if you have to pay 5 times just for rtx Alone then the Mac's are looking more accessible and sensible
In my opinion this entire conversation make sense only because of the current prices of the GPUs due to to cryptomining. If I could get 3080ti or 3090 for MSRP I wouldn't even consider going Apple way, unless portability would be a major factor for me. I was planning to upgrade my 2700x to 5950 and buying new GPU, but for the same money these days I got get the 16in mac book (32gb, 24 core max) And I love the fact I can preview and pre-cut the footage on site, and use the same laptop at home and continue to work on the project without having to move the files around. Once project is done I can offload and archive all project files to DAS/NAS. Another thing is the power draw and noise. To build silent PC you have to spend extra money, most likely with water cooled GPU - I find GPU to be the loudest component under load. For a short while I was considering getting powerful windows laptop, but they are also not that cheap, and majority of them have performance severely capped when unplugged. There are a lot of things that affect ones workflow. At least we have several options to choose from , which is great.
PC's are way better for editing stations at home. I love mine. I'm about to buy a Macbook Pro M1 Max for the portability as I'll be travelling and working next year. Keen to get a new Macbook! I'll always love my PC more though
Thank you for the valuable information on this video Also will be nice if you can do the same for the M1Pro entry level specs (M1 8 core, 16GB RAM, 14 core GPU), and the comparison with a PC on par with the power of this Macbook pro M1 Pro. Greetings from Brazil!👍🙏
Budget: 5,000 Computer #1 17" Laptop I9 3.5 8 core CPU 64 GB 3200 mhz ram Nvidia RTX 3080 16 GB GPU 4 TB Samsung 980 PRO Win 11 Pro Computer #2 16" M1 Max 32 core CPU 64 GB 4 TB storage Video Editor beginner will use Premiere Pro. Both rigs are close in price which one would you choose specs alone? Thanks
I would choose the mac because its very optimized and probably better than the #1 Also, you will have a better battery and no fan noise (I hate this, very disturbin to me)
In summary of this comments section: Every advantage Apple has (battery life, portability, complete package, performance unplugged, fan noise) …. You don’t care. You just want a desktop. Apple sucks! 😂 If you don’t care about anything that a laptop has to offer over a desktop why are you comparing a desktop to a laptop to begin with. No laptop will ever satisfy you. Just get a desktop replacement laptop or a desktop and don’t even mention Apple. Instead you guys use this opportunity to drive your narrative and bash a product that you never gave it a chance. Don’t fall for the Apple Derangement Syndrome. Choice is good. No need to bash other peoples choices. You ain’t smarter than everyone else. Everyone has a different use case.
I just have an rtx 3060. RTX 3090 ist top of the top. Just make some real world comparisson:-) Is a mac studio better then any pc with rtx 3060? Then i go with m1 max.
I mentioned this in a previous video on the channel. Live playback is so important and the M! scores 219 on the latest version of Premiere (not used in this video as that 1037 overall score is way below the 1300+ that the M1 Max gets on the latest version) which is around the same as a 12900k/3080. BUT, that's including codecs like RAW etc. where the 12900k does better. For h.264/HEVC the M1 is way ahead.
@Muhammad Ehtasam ok but who will actually buy that card? An GTX 1070 or similar is probably enough for 90% of the users or more. No need to spend 4k on an editing machine if you are not a real professional
@Muhammad Ehtasam M1 Max has the same number of decoders as the M1. It has double the encoders but not decoders. Yes, for some things a 12900k/3090 is much faster.
@@Angelo_Paduraru hey man just wanted to ask, if i decided to build a pc with the processor that you mentioned, do i have to go for DDR5 ram or ddr4 is okay?
In the future it would nice to see 2022 mac laptop to 2022 pc laptop creator video benchmarks for folks who travel from site to site, business to business, cafe to cafe , expos to expos, and on location to on location etc. CES 2022 unveiled a HUGE number of new high power laptops in both AMD and Intel. Thanks to both of you for the great videos you are doing 👍👍👌👌👏👏🙏🙏
No, SSD do not run over 7GB/s. Totally false. A new nvme announced just made that claim but actually getting that speed is really hard. Apple SSDs are faster.
A maxed out desktop is much better if you do most of the editing at your home/office. Comparing a PC to a M1 Max just doesn't make any sense. One is a PC and other is a laptop. There are times you gotta edit on-the-go. You can't carry a PC everywhere and it is hardly portable. I wish the tech reviewers made honest attempts at least to find the closest Windows based laptop competitor to M1 Pro/Max. For a fact I know the most powerful mobile processors available in the market for windows based laptops are i9 11900H and AMD 5900HX paired with RTX 3080. Not a single tech reviewer I follow had ever compared their performance to M1 Pro or Max. All they care for is the cinebench benchmarks and metal scores. If only they tested a real 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 H.265 RAW file or a 4K 120fps from Canon R5 in Adobe Premiere Pro or DaVinci Resolve in Windows and M1 Max and compared their results. The same footage for M1 Max is a piece of cake. Well, fingers crossed now for i9 12900H and AMD 6900HX and how they go alongside M1 Max.
I 100% agree! I wanted to have a conversation about it since I've seen some reviewers saying that no PC is as good for video editing as the M1 MAX which is not accurate statement. And yes, one is a laptop (with limited power) the other a Tower with loads of power, but not portable. Would be interesting to see what Apple does and once they release a tower, how good it would be.... 🤔
@@theTechNotice You can keep upgrading the PC. Sky is the limit. Macs are now kind of future proof after they launched the M1 series. The fact that most heavy apps work on M1's without breaking a sweat that too on battery power is amazing. Intel and AMD mobile processors got to catch up a lot with M1 now especially in the areas of power management and thermals. I wish somebody still did a full blown testing of i9 11900H and AMD 5900HX against M1 Pro/Max.
The M1 processor is a great and powerful one. Cannot take that away from Apple, they've done a great move by ditching Intel for their own. One will buy whatever they want to buy not what you want them to buy.
After watching the first 4 minutes of the video, it's extremely important to NOT base your buying decision on benchmarks. IMO they mean absolutely nothing when it comes to real world performance. Yes, the PC is powerful BUT it's not efficient and smart enough to know how to use the power. Benchmarks will fail you everytime.
When you free your soul from the Apple hatred and learn FCP (you're missing here a lot), then your reviews will be even better (and honest) and you will definitely get more subscribers.
Are you talking laptops or desktops? I HOPE you are not using the “trick” of plugged in laptop scores! Talk all the garbage you like but hundreds of reviewers have tested laptops which are MOBILE DEVICES and the M1 Pro/Max were more powerful because they were more EFFICIENT. People buy laptops because they want to be as free as possible from tethers and not chained to a power supply. THAT’S the reason laptops were so expensive. This is sad if your ego is too fragile to acknowledge at this time APPLE has the most powerful laptop for video editing overall.
I hope you didn't misunderstand this conversation. This video was made to balance the performance view between the M1 MAx/PRO vs PC. If you need the portable aspect, the M1 MAX is hard to beat, yet if you're just looking the best performance for your money PC is hard to beat. Obviously there's a lot of factors that need to be included on both sides depending on your workflow, but here we just looked at performance. :)
30% slower in a benchmark, about 15% slower in the real world, and my M1 Max takes up about a foot and a half of foldable, stackable, portable space, and runs on 50 watts of power pretty much max to the cores, whereas a 3090 needs a 1000w PSU to handle the spikes. In terms of real world performance, if the M1 Max is 900 @ 50 watts, then the Intel BY ITSELF WITHOUT THE VIDEO CARD would be 80 watts! Compare just the 2 CPUs without a video card, and then add wattage scores per dollar, per minute, etc and you'll see why I game on a 3080, and render on an M1 Max CPU. If I have a score of 1000 and a 12900k+3090 has a 1400 I would say I am doing wonderful in terms of performance, but these are benchmarks, I came here because I just tested myself, and in REAL WORLD TESTS, my MOBILE 3080 (+5900HX) was OUTPERFORMED by the M1 Max!!! Same video, same project, AMD + nVidia took 6 minutes 12 seconds, and M1 Max took 4 minutes 33 seconds. All I did was edit a screen recording with heavy effects add ins. Mac is better only if you can use the Mac for more, if it's ONLY for editing, then $3500 is a waste, and you'd be better with buying a Mac Studio with the Ultra, which gets a score here of 2000!!!! ( I need the laptop portability)
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So which one do you think is best-bang-for-buck? M1 MAX/PRO vs PC? 🤔👇
PC - for most of us)
I'd like to see an upgraded version of this video for 2024/5.this argument is exactly what I'm stuck in between now.
I am cutting videos for 20 years now and the requirements to work on the footage have constantly grown. I needed to upgrade my PC every ~ three years, which usually meant new MB, CPU and sometimes RAM, a HD/SSD and a GPU, but overall not more then 500$/year resulting in an up to date system. I just currently updated to the i9 12900k with a new MB, but kept my DDR RAM and GPU and am absolutely happy. (I do not want know what it would have meant financially if I was stuck on Apple, and being forced to buy a completely new system every time)
What wise and inspiring words. Thanks for sharing. My business is now 3-4 years old and im starting to feel the same cycle but need and want to be cost-efficient and time efficient.
Do you work with h265 422 10 bit? Or just pro-Formats? Bec. Thats what i use and unsure if intel or mac is better
You don’t have to buy a new system every-time… older max pro systems still perform beast with out spending over 3k on a pc build or newer mac pro… even if you look at pricing now Especially for video cards.. it’s cheaper still buying an M1 set up or a prebuilt.. costs to performance ratio is way too high right now with what’s going on
@@m0nztam0nk Currently I produce my footage with an Canon R5 (4k and 8k h265 422 10bit)
@@user-jh1mq2ih2u That's the reason I am still using my GTX 1080. I can wait.
@@Sockeye404 what's your editing workflow? I was under the impression that a gpu like that wouldn't be powerful enough to edit that type of footage.
Thank you for not making this one sided and bringing in someone who knows the mac side well. All the "popular" tech youtubers are making it seem like M1 MAX/PRO absolutely murders PC and that there is no PC equilivant in terms of power.
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bruh i was asking myself the same thing regarding all those "m1max vs rtx pc reviews" almost bought a mac if it wasn't for this vid.
@@theTechNotice how do you think an sli would add to the performance?
MacBook Air and pc tower for heavy tasks is exactly what I got
It works for me but I'll admit using two os's isnt great
Portability is really the only factor. I bought my Asus crosshair am4 build with a Ryzen 1700 back in 2017 and it absolutely crushed edits with my GH5 4k60 and 10 bit footage no problem. Here i am almost 5 years later with the same build and for 250$ used i got a 3900xt and plus a 150$ AIO (which i didnt even need that high end) it can keep up plenty fine with my now 6k footage and anything i can throw at it. Basically under 1000$ in upgrades over 5 years. Oh and it can game (haha little jab at Apple) If that doesn't show the inexpensiveness and longevity in the windows pc build area idk what else does.
For me, the first deciding factor when talking PC vs Mac is the OS. Although I have used Macs back in computer lab (so I have some experiences with it) I've personally always highly prefered and used Windows. Plus I also prefere having a desktop over a laptop, so I'll always go for a PC (at least for now, I'm open to switch when there's a good reason to).
Honestly, in the end of the days it doesn't matter what you have as long as it helps you do what you want to get done! Some prefer one some other!
Thanks for sharing! :)
I love this format. I am so used to watching reviewers talking alone and watching you guys ham and egg it was really great, and you probably were able to provide more information to us because of this format than you even thought as you planned the video. You are 2 practical guys and this was really enjoyable to listen. Thanks a lot.
What is surprising when you are talking about costs, is that very few people talk about the "cost of use", you just mention that a tower will need around a 650W power supply, which mean that it needs around 10 times more power than a Mac... depending on your everyday use, it can easily add 500$ or € to your energy bill (and sometimes more). These graphic cards (still unavailable un many places) are power hungry!!!
I'm a tower pc user, with an old mac for nomadic uses, looking for an upgrade on both systems...
This is EXACTLY the questions I’m faced with right now! Thank you for helping me make an informed decision!
I think you had a great conclusion, if you don't need portability go with a custom desktop. Also keep in mind that a desktop is easily upgradable, it is easy to change the configuration depending on new needs while with a laptop, expecially macbooks, once you clicked "buy" that is your pc and you gotta keep it.
I'm really interested to see how the new 12th gen mobile will perform, despite the difference in architecture between ARM and x86 those new intel cpus are quite promising
Lol, if you actually believe Intel can keep up with apple you are a fool, that company has a foot in the grave
12th gen mobile will need a nuclear power station attach to power them to a full potential tho
@@itwasntme761 ok
@@donataskazilionis3081 tdp for mobile it should not variate, with the big.little design it should be more efficient in general. I hope
Actually guys I think Intel is gonna stick around for a while, I'm not a fanboy and I'll recommend whatever works best at the time, but the 12th gen is seriously amazing!
I'm excited to see what the performance will be like on the mobile 12th gen :)
Apple does not support their products. I had a mac with a known manufacturer's defect. I could not find a authorized dealer willing to fix the manufacturer recall.
the fact that they've been soldering the SSDs since 2016 and also overcharging 4x the price per TeraByte is PURE EVIL.
so can i build a pc with i5 13gen & 3060
how will this performe?
mac studio is 18,900 ( pc only ) inr & pc build is 13,000 inr ( with monitor)
Amazing video guys! I'm planing to build an editing pc for a friend of mine and this channel is really helping me!
Not really a contest. Try towing your 5th wheel RV with a cybertruck. You won’t get anywhere. The apple is cybertuck and the PC is a Ford F-150.
We waiting this test for Davinci resolve playback persormonce
Just got MSI GP66, I9 12th gen, 3080TI, 32GB DDR5 and 1TB m.2 drive for $2K. Will that be a good enough laptop to edit in my campervan? I'll be using Premiere Pro.
Important part of the decision is future proof.. is some parts upgradable..
Question: im 90% Video editor in Davinci Resolve (currently i9900k + rtx 3080 tower) and i use hevc/h265 10bit 422 100fps Sony a LOT. The machine is good, but struggles with the mentioned Codec. -> for best TIMELINE-Performance + fastest Resolve STABILISATION and heavy colorgrading (with resolve OFX „bloom“ etc)…would you reccomend intel or Mac?
Can't speak about stabilisation but for live playback of HEVC 4:2:2 an M1 will handle FAR more streams that even the latest 12900k.
Is it struggling with Nvenc
@@cj7073 Nvidia don't support HEVC 4:2:2 on any of their GPUs CJ and the only CPUs with accelerated support for it are the latest Intel 12th gens (edit: and 11th gens although I'm not sure how good that support is).
@@FantabMedia how do you come to this conclusion? I have currently rented an m1 imac and its absolutely not even close to the main pc. It struggles with the slightest colorgrade, not even talking GPU-intensive stuff. Or were you talking macbook m1 pro/max?
Also: i only ever have 1-3 streams running at the same time in timeline, however i do tons of speedramps (up to 4000% speed) that absolutely takes very long to render out (even just for initial review) HERE i would see the most improvement timewise…so 10streams is useless to me, i need a system that can decode blazing fast in h265 422
@@FantabMedia so anything.other than 12th gen will perform worse on resolve on that codec?
The performance with the M1 is truly incredible. But I would like your opinion on how durable it is for day and night continuous work? I don't think it can be compared with a desktop computer for constant max loads.
I think the game has changed today compared to when the video came out. Because there's mac studio which is what people show be comparing to
This is an EXCELLENT video!
Thank you, both ❤
Don’t forget Apple resale value..
Not sure if my last comment didn't post or was deleted but latest Premiere Pro version scores over 1300 on M1 Max (the M1 Pro actually scores higher than your M1 Max score) and Adobe have promised more optimisations to improve M1 performance in the near future. You must have used an older Premiere version or older benchmark.
That's good to know, but something I haven't seen online... 🤔 Have a look at the latest benchmark results posted by pugetsystems: www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/?age=30&benchmark=&application=premiere+pro&specs=m1+pro#results-table
The average scores are still around 1000... ?
If you posted a link on your previous comment then YT automatically 'bans' it just in case :)
Very good points in your video, especially when talking about use case. The I5 is a great value for money while competing with M1 Max, at 3:09. But benchmarks are bad when Apple is not getting good marks. But benchmarks are great when M1 beats Intel.
Reading comments, I see a lot of apple fans trying to defend their laptops and talking about efficiency. I don't care about efficiency with a desktop. That's the point with it, to get the full power and not be bottlenecked by thermal limits with M1 design. For a laptop, sure, efficiency makes a lot of sense. Compare mac laptops with windows laptops, compare mac desktops with windows desktops. And yes, I know the M1 Max Ultra is more efficient than the 3090, we know that graph and we know it's bullshit.
Regarding SSDs, you'll not see on macs or windows reach that 7GB/s, that happens only in some remote situations, not in daily use, video editing etc.
Take a bow ..oh genuine reviewers 🙏🎉
Wish you had have compared them using DaVinci Resolve 17.4.3
I'll make an update video on that!
@@theTechNotice awesome!b👍
OMG, thank you so much for this video. I have been busting my brain deciding which way to go. To buy MacBook Pro or wait for for the Intel gen 12 but the cost for either one of them will be extremely high for 1 machine. Now, you guys just helped me out. I think I will go with the route of getting MacBook Air and a custom PC for the similar price of one MBP or expensive Windows laptop. Thank you so much.
can u edit 4k 120p footage on the m1 max? my m1 pro stutters alot
Put prices for the build vs pre built and M1 and M1pro .. that’s not even including the price of the monitor
It doesn’t matter. In 5 years when both builds are out dated your stuck with mac. Pc with $500-$1000 will be able to meet updated standards
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What about the "stable" performance Apple Mac book or iMac has to offer regardless of what machine it runs??
The 20 $ shotgun mic link doesnt work, do you have a new link please
I am a PC guy. This video made me FOMO less on the Mac book. I can't stand the Mac operating system but all the reviews made me drools.
Thanks for saving me money!!
Great summary of criteria @6:56
One thing to keep in mind when comparing price/performance between laptops and desktops is the cost of an appropriate monitor. I'm sure many will have multiple monitors when working in your studio, but you must have at least one monitor for the tower.
You also need to keep in mind the limited capacity, for a Mac you need to think carefully about how and how many external devices you want to connect and how much it will cost. Due to the very limited expansion possibilities, and the modest built-in capacities.
m1 has smaller screen 16 inch but pc you can have oled
Absolutely right Steven! Yet for a lot of people upgrading their systems, they might already have a monitor setup, and would rather not pay for an extra monitor they not need. Just depends what they need :)
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I do graphic design, I use 2 monitors for easier work, I often have to have two tool open, word, or photo viewer and In design or corel or illustrator, a colleague took a Mac mini, he also uses two monitors ... and that's the problem , keyboard, mouse, 1 monitor on HDMI, another on thunderbolt , and one usb-c external storage drive .. and all the expansion resources were spent. The Bluetooth keyboard and mouse are too expensive, so the keyboard is used with the old Mac and PC mouse.
Yeah, because these pc specs with i9 and 3090 are $4000 without a monitor, so you’re looking at hundreds more for a desktop than a comparable MacBook Pro as of 6/2022.
What about the new mac mini m2 pro vs an intel i7 12700k pc build?
Windows connected to charger?
I think the best combination is m chip MacOs Laptop plus desktop pc build.
I follow these two, and these make a lot of sense. Thank you so much.❤
Hi guys! Please would you make a decent PC in price lower than 2000 and still able to use premiere video editing and no problems. For 4k and I heard you said i5 is enough. Maybe you can add a colour grade and animated text play on the timeline. I just ordered my a74 and I will not gonna use 4k recording because of my old laptop. Please 🙏🏻
Video coming out very soon, already filmed, just needs editing! ;)
@@theTechNotice OMG! You just made my day now! I just purchased Sony a74 and Sıgma 24-70 f2,8 art lenses. Wıll start my new channel soon :D thanks a lot! So happy now
You scores look for M1 Max and Pro look dated, Did you use an older version of Premiere or benchmark?
Also do the same kind of video for DaVinci Resolve with updated software.
I pulled these benchmarks from Pugetbench database and the most recent scores, took about 8 and calculated the average then compared them with big reviewers like Dave2d, Matthew Monitz, LTT. So they should be as point as it can get ;)
Unfortunately there isn't Pugetbench available for Mac OS, which is the best DR benchmark... I wish they'd update that, then we could have apples and apples comparisons :)
Great talk. I think you forgot one aspect in favor of a Mac - the resale value. I'm always shocked how much are people willing to pay for used Mac laptops! Resale value of a custom built PC is very limited... and in 6 years its pretty much 0.
I've always built my own PC and now for the first time, I'm thinking of swithing. Getting a mid tier Macbook M2 Pro, connect my two 4k monitors and my old peripherials, and if needed take it with me as its a laptop... but I just know so many thing would dive me nuts in Apple ecossytem!! I may wait for M3...
The best and meaningful comparison
we are in 21st century. buy a high end desktop and low end laptop. when your away from the office use your laptop to connect remotely to your desktop.
Genius!
What’s a good software to connect remotely to desktop? Can this be done with a mac laptop and pc desktop?
golden content, I haven't even finished my build with 12600k :)
What about DaVinci Resolve?? Lot of people don't use Premiere Pro....
First psychology and body language. People who move hands a lot are weak minded. Second, for the price of any apple crap I can buy laptop with rtx 3060 or 3070 32/64gb of ram, 1+Tb ssd, better cooling and battery capacity. Which will not only render/work with any video/pic editing software faster. But also will be useful to connect bigger screen or two or three. Any mouse, keyboard, 5 or 7.1 speakers system and Ethernet cable.
Will also let me play any game I want anytime.
Third if your only argument about the price is "fans" or "raving fans" whatever that means and Idk if he meant cooling being loud or people. And if you need to add few times that this product is great. Then it's clear to anyone who has still at least few working brain cells, that this is a scam product.
I love the reviews from both of you, they are to the point and it's obvious that you focus on those necessary details for video editors! Thanks so much for reviewing them!
I have one more question.
Do you have any experience regarding theRTX A4000 & A5000 type GPUs?
I'm wondering what effect the unlimited encode & decode limit for editing has in practice, and also with my 2060 SUPER 8GB it throws me an after effect message "you are low on VRAM" - set to maximum.
I mostly cut videos, but I also stream, so I think the encode & decode limit could be used here as well.
Thank you one more time for that you are doing best reviews.
Thanks!
What else you mean by the unlimited encode & decode limit?
Unfair to compare a laptop on battery with a desktop pc with heating. If youre in need of a workstation, pc is a better choice. But the resource management on the mac laptops are better suited for any kind of mobility. Pcs cant compete in that market, because of temperature and battery consumption. Ive tried most of them
I just want to ask you should I get the knight rider build?
It will cost me about 1650 us$
In 🇹🇷 turkey
Since I mostly work from home, a PC makes more sense. Also because PCs offer the ability to game and have more programs available than MacOS. On the go I have a budget laptop which does 1080p-4k with a little bit of waiting but its fine to at least spot footage and store it on there. It really matters what you want to do as you concluded. And with all those Macs and even the AirPods MAX on, I cant really understand how they call u windows fanboys ^^
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So painful for Apple that they decided to ditch Intel right before Intel was about to drop a new generation that was actually innovative.
The m1 Ain't that bad either ;)
It's more sad for Intel.
Errm,Actually Intel Rejection was a Perfect Motivation for them....
Otherwise we would still have 12th gen CPU with just Minor Increments.....
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You say bang for buck PC build gets more for money. Show me a PC build that can compete with an M1 for 650 that is how much an M1 Mac mini is.
At this point with the performance edge a Linux PC has running Davinci Resolve over both Windows and Mac, that is my editing environment of choice. Way more bang for the buck. An easily customizable workflow, with industry standard color grading, high end compositing, and high end audio baked in works for me, especially since Nuke, Maya, Renderman, and Blender all also run without hiccups on Linux.
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@@theTechNotice i’d love to see a videon on linux !
You need to include resale value after 3-5 years in the cost calculation
That's a good point as well!
Amazing 🔥🔥
Comparing PC and laptop is honestly not fair. You can never have enough power and cooling in a laptop, and you can never carry a PC and a monitor in your backpack comfortably.
Please make this comparison video for DaVinci Resolve as well
I'd love to, yet a little harder since the same benchmarks aren't available for both platforms.... so hard to make a solid conclusion ;)
@@theTechNoticeI guess then whatever is possible between the two, though there doesn't have to be a definitive conclusion, maybe just informing of their strengths and weaknesses.
Great video as always. Gonna build this once all parts arrive in 2 weeks only waiting on SSD and CPU cooler got everything else. What do you think technotice. Would this be a great build for video editing, music production and gaming.
Asus Z690 Formula Wifi White gaming motherboard (bought this as Asus creator wifi z690 is sold out in Canada and i need thunderbolt 4 for music production with apollo audio interface)
intel i9 12900K
Corsair dominator RGB DDR 5 64gb total 5200 MHZ C40
Phanteks P600s case
Corsair H150i Elite LCD CPU cooler
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 GPU
ASUS THOR 1200 W Platinum Power supply unit
Seagate firecuda 530 4tb NVME
Just one tip here, if you're using 4 sticks of DDR5 most likely you're not able to run it at XMP... check out my video about it here: ruclips.net/video/l0aHCKVqkVY/видео.html
Great honest review. I like your honesty regarding Apple pricing and Apple's efficiency.
Great discussion, gents. Wish I had your brains. Which 12600K PC build, precisely?
Coming up soon on the channel just editing the video :)
very detailed analysis
Interesting comparison between MacBook and custom PC build. I've always been a Windows/PC/Android guy my whole life, but I did pick up a 16" M1 Pro with 32GB of RAM and 1 TB SDD, and I have to say, I've been really impressed with it and don't regret buying it at all. You can't really compare the prices apples to apples because you were saying roughly $3000 for MacBook and $1500 for custom desktop PC build. I wish you guys addressed the fact that you are also getting a whole package with a "top notch" display, amazing speakers, as well as unmatched battery life and build quality. With the custom build PC desktop, you have to address getting a monitor (comparable to the Liquid Retina XDR, even though it is only 16.2" vs a 27 or 32), along with a keyboard, mouse, and speakers to get a fair price comparison.
Fair points indeed! That's assuming that the buyer doesn't already have any of them already. If they do perhaps have a display and keyboard or some kind of setup and they're looking to just upgrade their performance and not pay for the extra of all those things (display, speakers, keyboard etc...) then performance wise they'd get more for their money buy getting a PC tower.
YET, if they're starting from a clean sheet then yes you do have a point!
Just depends on the situation of the person.
With this video I was hoping to balance the conversations I've seen online regarding the performance for video editors online.
And if I needed the best portable video editing PC, I'd go with MBP M1 MAX ;)
Personally, I prefer MacBook cos of the Apple ecosystem integration, it’s so easy to switch between my iPhone and mac
Never buy something that can only do one thing well, you're gonna be editing in Premiere Pro every time you're using the computer. Plus that was in one app.. Speaking as an everyday consumer not a studio editing long movies at work. If you edit, stream, play games etc getting ANY Mac doesn't make sense.
Fair points... :)
Thank you guys for very good conversation :))
we need a video of that 1500-1700$ pc built that you guys are talking about
Great discussion. I have been thinking about whether I need a Macbook Pro. I have a tower PC with enough power and memory. If I need to access my video projects on the go, I have my Synology Diskstation DS218. I will continue to work with my PC and not buy a Macbook.
Thanks for the great video.
Best regards
Amos
Hello Sir! GeForce RTX™ 2060 VENTUS 12G OC, I am planning to buy this graphic card with 12900k and
z690 aero d Gigabyte.... iam buying that motherboard bcz in india Asus Proart z690 mother board is not in stock... i have tried a lot....
plz tell your thoughts sir for this. thank you
How bout the best AMD, Intel/ Windows laptops vs M1 Max/Pro, can these Windows laptops hold up against the Apple laptops? It would be great to compare the upcoming Ryzen 6000/ Intel 12th gen laptops vs M1 Max/Pro in future.
Good idea!
What is the point of comparing to pc build if no-one can get rtx for normal price, and if you have to pay 5 times just for rtx Alone then the Mac's are looking more accessible and sensible
In my opinion this entire conversation make sense only because of the current prices of the GPUs due to to cryptomining. If I could get 3080ti or 3090 for MSRP I wouldn't even consider going Apple way, unless portability would be a major factor for me. I was planning to upgrade my 2700x to 5950 and buying new GPU, but for the same money these days I got get the 16in mac book (32gb, 24 core max) And I love the fact I can preview and pre-cut the footage on site, and use the same laptop at home and continue to work on the project without having to move the files around. Once project is done I can offload and archive all project files to DAS/NAS. Another thing is the power draw and noise. To build silent PC you have to spend extra money, most likely with water cooled GPU - I find GPU to be the loudest component under load.
For a short while I was considering getting powerful windows laptop, but they are also not that cheap, and majority of them have performance severely capped when unplugged.
There are a lot of things that affect ones workflow. At least we have several options to choose from , which is great.
Very solid points!
PC's are way better for editing stations at home. I love mine. I'm about to buy a Macbook Pro M1 Max for the portability as I'll be travelling and working next year. Keen to get a new Macbook! I'll always love my PC more though
hardly anyone truly needs a laptop it's just a cool factor.
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Thank you for the valuable information on this video
Also will be nice if you can do the same for the M1Pro entry level specs (M1 8 core, 16GB RAM, 14 core GPU), and the comparison with a PC on par with the power of this Macbook pro M1 Pro.
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Budget: 5,000
Computer #1
17" Laptop
I9 3.5 8 core CPU
64 GB 3200 mhz ram
Nvidia RTX 3080 16 GB GPU
4 TB Samsung 980 PRO
Win 11 Pro
Computer #2
16"
M1 Max 32 core CPU
64 GB
4 TB storage
Video Editor beginner will use Premiere Pro. Both rigs are close in price which one would you choose specs alone?
Thanks
I would choose the mac because its very optimized and probably better than the #1
Also, you will have a better battery and no fan noise (I hate this, very disturbin to me)
From my point of view the best video for that topic. And the only one which is neutral. There are so many fanboy m1max videos out. Thanks🙂
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Still between Pc and Macs. I go for Pc, it's more practical.
In summary of this comments section:
Every advantage Apple has (battery life, portability, complete package, performance unplugged, fan noise) …. You don’t care.
You just want a desktop.
Apple sucks! 😂
If you don’t care about anything that a laptop has to offer over a desktop why are you comparing a desktop to a laptop to begin with.
No laptop will ever satisfy you. Just get a desktop replacement laptop or a desktop and don’t even mention Apple.
Instead you guys use this opportunity to drive your narrative and bash a product that you never gave it a chance.
Don’t fall for the Apple Derangement Syndrome.
Choice is good. No need to bash other peoples choices. You ain’t smarter than everyone else. Everyone has a different use case.
I just have an rtx 3060. RTX 3090 ist top of the top. Just make some real world comparisson:-) Is a mac studio better then any pc with rtx 3060? Then i go with m1 max.
You can right click with Apple, just turn it on
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do mac boys even have a retirement plan lol?
The Video I wanted 😍
Can you also include Sony a7Siii 4K/120 footage realtime?
Both intel 12gen and m1 can playback this format like butter
I mentioned this in a previous video on the channel. Live playback is so important and the M! scores 219 on the latest version of Premiere (not used in this video as that 1037 overall score is way below the 1300+ that the M1 Max gets on the latest version) which is around the same as a 12900k/3080. BUT, that's including codecs like RAW etc. where the 12900k does better. For h.264/HEVC the M1 is way ahead.
@Muhammad Ehtasam ok but who will actually buy that card? An GTX 1070 or similar is probably enough for 90% of the users or more. No need to spend 4k on an editing machine if you are not a real professional
@Muhammad Ehtasam M1 Max has the same number of decoders as the M1. It has double the encoders but not decoders. Yes, for some things a 12900k/3090 is much faster.
@@Angelo_Paduraru hey man just wanted to ask, if i decided to build a pc with the processor that you mentioned, do i have to go for DDR5 ram or ddr4 is okay?
2 of my favorite tech guys... That makes me spend all my money... 😂😂😂😂
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In the future it would nice to see 2022 mac laptop to 2022 pc laptop creator video benchmarks for folks who travel from site to site, business to business, cafe to cafe , expos to expos, and on location to on location etc. CES 2022 unveiled a HUGE number of new high power laptops in both AMD and Intel. Thanks to both of you for the great videos you are doing 👍👍👌👌👏👏🙏🙏
I've got no doubt Ben G will be on top of it very soon ;)
No, SSD do not run over 7GB/s. Totally false. A new nvme announced just made that claim but actually getting that speed is really hard. Apple SSDs are faster.
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Easy question : PC
Top performance, Upgradable, Excellent Value of Money,
This was great, I just need more money is the bottom line lol
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Don't you ever question Apple superiority!!!
Wtf, this guy talks just like Quentin Tarantino.
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A maxed out desktop is much better if you do most of the editing at your home/office. Comparing a PC to a M1 Max just doesn't make any sense. One is a PC and other is a laptop. There are times you gotta edit on-the-go. You can't carry a PC everywhere and it is hardly portable. I wish the tech reviewers made honest attempts at least to find the closest Windows based laptop competitor to M1 Pro/Max. For a fact I know the most powerful mobile processors available in the market for windows based laptops are i9 11900H and AMD 5900HX paired with RTX 3080. Not a single tech reviewer I follow had ever compared their performance to M1 Pro or Max. All they care for is the cinebench benchmarks and metal scores. If only they tested a real 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 H.265 RAW file or a 4K 120fps from Canon R5 in Adobe Premiere Pro or DaVinci Resolve in Windows and M1 Max and compared their results. The same footage for M1 Max is a piece of cake. Well, fingers crossed now for i9 12900H and AMD 6900HX and how they go alongside M1 Max.
I 100% agree! I wanted to have a conversation about it since I've seen some reviewers saying that no PC is as good for video editing as the M1 MAX which is not accurate statement. And yes, one is a laptop (with limited power) the other a Tower with loads of power, but not portable. Would be interesting to see what Apple does and once they release a tower, how good it would be.... 🤔
@@theTechNotice You can keep upgrading the PC. Sky is the limit. Macs are now kind of future proof after they launched the M1 series. The fact that most heavy apps work on M1's without breaking a sweat that too on battery power is amazing. Intel and AMD mobile processors got to catch up a lot with M1 now especially in the areas of power management and thermals. I wish somebody still did a full blown testing of i9 11900H and AMD 5900HX against M1 Pro/Max.
The M1 processor is a great and powerful one. Cannot take that away from Apple, they've done a great move by ditching Intel for their own. One will buy whatever they want to buy not what you want them to buy.
After watching the first 4 minutes of the video, it's extremely important to NOT base your buying decision on benchmarks. IMO they mean absolutely nothing when it comes to real world performance. Yes, the PC is powerful BUT it's not efficient and smart enough to know how to use the power. Benchmarks will fail you everytime.
When you free your soul from the Apple hatred and learn FCP (you're missing here a lot), then your reviews will be even better (and honest) and you will definitely get more subscribers.
Of course you can right click on Mac's since like forever!! What is wrong with some people?!)
Are you talking laptops or desktops? I HOPE you are not using the “trick” of plugged in laptop scores! Talk all the garbage you like but hundreds of reviewers have tested laptops which are MOBILE DEVICES and the M1 Pro/Max were more powerful because they were more EFFICIENT. People buy laptops because they want to be as free as possible from tethers and not chained to a power supply. THAT’S the reason laptops were so expensive. This is sad if your ego is too fragile to acknowledge at this time APPLE has the most powerful laptop for video editing overall.
I hope you didn't misunderstand this conversation. This video was made to balance the performance view between the M1 MAx/PRO vs PC. If you need the portable aspect, the M1 MAX is hard to beat, yet if you're just looking the best performance for your money PC is hard to beat.
Obviously there's a lot of factors that need to be included on both sides depending on your workflow, but here we just looked at performance.
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He looks like a mac user
30% slower in a benchmark, about 15% slower in the real world, and my M1 Max takes up about a foot and a half of foldable, stackable, portable space, and runs on 50 watts of power pretty much max to the cores, whereas a 3090 needs a 1000w PSU to handle the spikes.
In terms of real world performance, if the M1 Max is 900 @ 50 watts, then the Intel BY ITSELF WITHOUT THE VIDEO CARD would be 80 watts!
Compare just the 2 CPUs without a video card, and then add wattage scores per dollar, per minute, etc and you'll see why I game on a 3080, and render on an M1 Max CPU. If I have a score of 1000 and a 12900k+3090 has a 1400 I would say I am doing wonderful in terms of performance, but these are benchmarks, I came here because I just tested myself, and in REAL WORLD TESTS, my MOBILE 3080 (+5900HX) was OUTPERFORMED by the M1 Max!!!
Same video, same project, AMD + nVidia took 6 minutes 12 seconds, and M1 Max took 4 minutes 33 seconds. All I did was edit a screen recording with heavy effects add ins.
Mac is better only if you can use the Mac for more, if it's ONLY for editing, then $3500 is a waste, and you'd be better with buying a Mac Studio with the Ultra, which gets a score here of 2000!!!! ( I need the laptop portability)