Sigh. We already fought this battle first with Sony then with Nintendo. Emulation is legal. If you own a license to a piece of software the seller is not legally allowed to require you to own a specific piece of hardware to use it. You are entitled to transfer software you own between different storage media.
Apparently you don’t get the right to own a game in two separate forms when you buy a copy though, so downloading a new rom is illegal. Dumping old games can be kind of hard though so I figure that if I can get a rom somewhere and just say “oh yeah, I dumped that years ago” then no one will doubt me. What are the cops gonna do, compare the hashes of my earthworm Jim cartridge with the dump?
@@King_Dub_Dub Let's be honest tho, it's not much different than if you installed a game on your laptop and then on your pc once you can afford one, from the same CD. There are just few more steps in-between.
@@King_Dub_Dub I have played games I actually own but I do lose them over time so I often emulate these just for the sake of it. Like I owned XD Gale of Darkness which is literally unplayable to a certain point so its probably undumpable as well but fr its a game I owned so I would emulate a rom of it from like only two sites I use for roms and also theres the thing about the 3ds eshop being shut down in march 2023 like honestly do you expect people to go buy a game that would be expensive to own physically in this day and age like idk SMT 4? The pokemon games its absurd with how people are against emulation when trying to buy certain games are ridiculous in third party market prices like no one would spend so much money on a game that soon would be only obtainable by physical cartridges. I don’t pirate modern games like the switch and such. Like if I want to play a new pokemon game I’m buying it, not emulating it although I should learn to mod consoles like the 3ds or switch because why not? It would be interesting to learn about. I was only able to mod my dsi 3 months ago.
@@gendraconis7869 That's why I've only ever blatantly pirated games that aren't for sale from the manufacturer. If my money isn't trickling to the developers, it isn't worth buying.
Preservation of games is the most vital things with emulation. I mean just look at what Ubisoft has recently done with their DLCs from old games. It’s so we can continue reliving the memories that these games once gave us many years from when we start playing them again.
Person: Emulates Nintendo fanboy: "Don't do that! You're hurting the developers and it's illegal! Nintendo will send you to court! Buy the original copies. They're better." Emulators: Save states, fast forward and rewind feature, resolution upscaling, easy cheats, controller support, can play roms from any region without issues, rom editors, rom hacks, translation patches, region exclusive games, randomizers, Retroarch and last but not least... Mother 3. Oh yes. The original hardware is better.
I am all for emulation but I feel like DS, Wii U and 3DS is best experienced on the platform itself because of touch screen. Any other console games through emulation, you are basically getting the same experience. I used to emulate many games but couldn't play 3DS games because my laptop is shit so I bought a 3DS. I am just glad that I can play DS and 3DS games on it without any problems. I hacked it because it isn't available in my country, it's going offline soon anyways. Other than that, emulation is awesome. Also getting a hacked PS2 because I don't have a good PC. But if you do have a good PC, emulation is great.
Devs who are anti-preservation deserve to have their games not only emulated, but also pirated. Don't call piracy stealing when you make it near impossible to play your games.
Honest to God; impossible to find games like the last story and pandora's tower on wii without shilling 100$+ on ebay since there's no where else to play these rpgs
@@gasad01374 Stealing can be morraly justifiable. Also, if a game is completely impossible to reasonably obtain, it really isn't stealing since nobody who made or published the game would be losing anything.
Yeah if they are gonna be so bothered then we should steal everything we can from them. They don't need the money anyway they own most of Japan by now.
But ripping your own games isn't illegal, nor is using an emulator to play it. At least it's not illegal in America. Downloading ROMs online on the otherhand, that's actual piracy.
corporate brainwashing about what's actually true in the law (a.k.a. widespread misinformation). I'm sure that Nintendo would love for emulation to be outright illegal but it just simply is not, and it would be awful for everyone else if it were.
Remember back when we owned a game we actually _owned_ it? These days they don't just wanna control who plays it, but what you're playing on too. It's like we don't own games anymore, we're just allowed to play them.
Its been that way for a long time - that's the whole idea of the software license. Companies want it both ways - you're paying for a license unless your original media goes bad, then too bad, you'd better buy a new game. It's a stunning level of hypocrisy and double dealing.
"Who plays 15 year old games?" My favorite game of all time, MOTHER 3, with a 97% rating on Google Search, which may I remind you NEVER GOT LOCALIZED, and was such a good game that the fans edited their own translation patch, is now 16 years old as of April. If you're still saying the game probably isn't worth preserving the history of, well even Nintendo is disagreeing with you, putting Lucas as a fighter in Smash Bros even to this day.
For someone who's not have the luxury to buy "all" the old console to play, emulation really help me to enjoy playing some of the old title that i can't catch up when i was younger. I'm playing from the old laptop from 2012 (the only computer i have), and really grateful for the online community to provide the game preservation and the emulation for other people, like myself.
In Toronto there lived an outlaw, by name Mutahar Red Many men had tried to take him and that many men were dead He was vicious and a pogger, with G-Fuel canisters twenty-four And the VMs in his Linux numbered one and nineteen more One and nineteen more
With music, you're able to extract the mp3 files or flac files for preservation. Companies aren't going to keep making CDs, when they can just put music on streaming platforms for a quick buck. Game companies are going to do the same thing eventually, everything digitized. Emulation is a consumer right.
I have good news and bad news. Apple seems to have decided CD ripped files are not permissible to be uploaded to their cloud services, which means iTunes can’t play it. It may be a “me” issue, naturally.
@@SergeantRoosters I have no idea. Some work from my PC but I can’t get them onto my iPhone or iPad. Some I ripped last year, they worked then, and now they don’t work.
"who's gonna be playing these old games 20 years from now?" Halo is old enough to legally drink in the US Republic Commando graduated high school last year Empire at War and Battlefront 2 Classic graduate this year Command & Conquer family bought their own house a decade ago Age of Empires is C&C's neighbor and best friend going on 20 years all of these games, and more from their eras, are still widely popular today. Never underestimate the timelessness of a good game.
Pokemon is the prime example for why you should emulate imo. It's stupid that so many of the games aren't sold outside their original hardware and resell prices are in the hundreds
felt that in my soul, I got robbed lost all my og Pokemon carts and console, cost me a couple hundred just to buy back what I lost... whats worse though is there are so many fakes I spent days and hours sifting through the likes of ebay to make sure what I bought was legit.... Then had to resolder new batteries just so I could play "legit"
@@Sonichero151 Well, Red/Blue/(Green)/Yellow (GB) and Gold/Silver/Crystal (GBC) on 3DS before they cut off the ability to add money to 3DS eShop and buy the games that way - some places like EBGames are selling download codes for Gen2 Pokemon at like $13 AUD, but it's only a matter of time before those stop being available.
Retro games in general are overpriced, and it's not like the original devs make a penny from an inflated resale market. Emulation and things like everdrives harm nobody when you literally cannot purchase a game from the license holder.
As long as emulation doesn’t hurt sales of new games, it should be perfectly legal. It’s so stupid that people constantly wine about pirating “hurting a company” while said games continue to sell hundreds of millions of copies.
Emulation itself should never be illegal and infact emulation itself is not illegal in any way. Piracy on the other hand is illegal and if emulation affects sales it's usually not emulation but the piracy behind it.👍
Now as a Nintendo Fanboy myself, I am 100% agreeing with Muta here. If I had all the tools necessary to hack my switch and dump the game files onto my PC I’d do it in a HEARTBEAT. If I might Muta, could you give some sort of tutorial to this so we switch fans can emulate our favorite games? I’d love to play BotW in 4K.
People use the wii u version of botw in emulation. Use cemu to emulate, find a rom and run on cemu in a vm if you think the rom might be unsafe. Given that you already have a copy there should be no moral issues with pirating it out of convenience. If you want to dump switch games ltt made a video tutorial for it.
honestly I'm just going to wear that "outlaw" title like a badge of honor because that shit never stops being funny, calling someone an outlaw for ripping and emulating games they bought.
The outlaw part comes from before emulation became an excuse (a valid one.) There was a solid decade where everyone had to listen to people that were really just thieves doing mental gymnastics to explain how it was a record label’s fault they had to steal their Nickelback albums. Theives with flowery excuses have created quite a bit of opposition to the more valid “saving games for history” argument.
"Outlaw Mudshow" means a bad, low rent wrestling production and is commonly used in pro wrestling circles. "Outlaw" means someone who takes part in said low rent productions and is a low effort talent.
Payers gonna pay, pirates gonna pirate. No matter what you do, some people will always "steal" games. Make affordable products worth paying for, and make old games available for a fair price. (Looking at you Nintendo) You can't stop it, but you can make it easier for people not to pirate.
Then there's the question of whether people who can't afford games should pirate. These old emulated games will run on very old computers if people cannot afford anything else. I've known people who've only gotten interested in gaming because emulation afforded them at least classic games, most of which are difficult to acquire legally to begin with.
@@hdnfbp I've played plenty of my friends' pirated games in the past then bought them on multiple platforms over the years, and now that I have a job I've bought most of them on pc which other than sales are usually at full retail price, these guys have gotten more of my money than they ever would if I hadn't played them at that time. Examples being Spider-Man 2, most top DS bangers, GTA SA & 4 my favourites I bought afterwards, all GTA games on og xbox, xbox 360, PC and PS 2 & 3
Remember some Nordic nation had a culture of reading books and putting them into neighbor's mailbox in 90s. Resharing or reselling would might as well be considered "piracy" in that regard. How times have changed that university professors will mandate their own thousand dollar shitbooks in college courses and then each issue needs to have a gddamn test code to validate a student has bought the books even though the content hasn't changed in 10years. Knowledge is no longer free.
Honestly being able to play Astral Chain and Xenoblade 3 at higher res and frames sounds great. You bought the software, now you're able to preserve it. Two incredible games that can be enjoyed more smoothly idk why anyone would be against it.
@@asain3586 Nope both of them are ONLY switch so i don't know if those above are trolls or just stupid. And people are so quick to judge and shame others, like buying 2 games and then emulating them constitutes justifying buying a "weak" console SMH.
I just recently got into pc gaming and started emulating and modding games like Pokemon and Sonic. It's often the best way to play games new and old and if it's a game that you already own or is unavailable to purchase anymore than there shouldn't be any moral controversy around emulation.
I always thought/assumed it is mostly a grey area, but you should be safe just downloading it from somewhere, because the people who uploaded it are the ones 'breaking the law'
18:05 The only reason that Nintendo would care if you got run over is if you just so happened to be distracted by using the switch or one of their phone apps
"Who's gonna play these games 15 years from now?" Probably me. I am really enjoying old school games that I experienced as a kid. Dusted out my N64, got it working again (the Expansion Pak was shot so I had to get another), and got an adaptor so it'll work with more modern TVs. Majora's mask, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64, etc, I have been enjoying them again. I am also diving into my old Gameboy games, Gamecube, and Wii. It is a lovely experience down memeory lane and the games are still quite fun. It is extra fun knowing I do not have to deal with microtransactions that modern games are plagued with nowadays. Not all are plagued with it, but going into the past for games really shows what it once was and what it has turned into now. I am experiencing them physically because I still own them and they are still functional, but without owning them it would be very hard to experience it like it originally was.
I mean, Mass Effect 1 is 15 years old, and got a new breath of life with Legendary Edition. Halo: Combat Evolved is like 20 years old and is considered a classic FPS people should play, that's now available in Master Chief Collection.
Bruh, I play old games just because I love discovering more and more games. Only had a NES but still. Really love them. I think any true gamer wouldn't care what platform you play on or how old a game is. It's all about fun. So yeah, screw the people who don't understand such things, they are missing out, not us.
I think you mean what Jim Sterling said. Piracy laws are outdated if you ask me. Just because it's a law doesn't mean i have to follow it. If i want to smoke weed. You bet your ass i'm gonna roll one up. If i want to play a game, I play the game, If i want to watch shrek, I will.
Really glad u held ur own on this as a voice of the community. Mgs4 isn’t even available on cloud anymore, and a lot of remasters strip features and/or are worse graphically than upscaled emulated versions.
"Emulation is classism" buddy I would never have been able to play Zelda, Pokemon, any games like that, CLASSIC games that everyone should get to experience, without emulators. I grew up with a shitty PS1 that barely worked and we'd go out each week to the video store - remember when those were a thing? - and pay $5 a week to rent Spyro so we could play it because we couldn't afford to buy it outright or buy new consoles (Ps3 had just come out, if I remember), so I missed out on a lot of games when I was a kid. I love emulators
Where I live, basically only mobile games are widely played. Not many people play computer games, much less console games, and even less so back in 2013/14 when I first got a shitty little laptop with a pentium chip, integrated graphics and 2 GB RAM lol. I have fond memories of playing many Pokemon games, OoT, MM, and even managing to finish games like Wind Waker and Path of Radiance that only ran at like ~10 FPS. It's baffling to suggest that people who end up emulating because they can't afford to buy all these consoles or because of unavailability and obscurity are somehow more classist than these pathological consoomers 🤣
Now inaginelivinginSouth america. Not only game and consoles are EXPENSIVE, but that is if they SELL IT AT ALL Heck, even rom searching becomes dificult when only 40% of japanese library and 60% of the europea. One ARE translated to otheridioms NOT english. For example, golden sun 1 was in spanish, golden sun 2 ONLY IN ENGLISH, Golden sun DS has spanish.
I'm sure that guy feels its great to carry around ps1, dreamcast, gba, gc, n64 in their travel. Imagine having to hoard ancient systems at home just to legally play a console game.
All hardware eventually breaks down over time; software preservation via emulation is essential to keeping these pieces of history intact for future generations to experience. Regardless of ones stance towards emulation and piracy, there will be a day where some of your favorite games will end up in museums. Where original printed copies are not being sold anywhere but the second hand market, digital copies not available within any storefront. This already happens with games whose functionality is tied to online servers; that when the publisher shuts the server down without an end of life plan those games are not available to experience at all, thus effectively wiping a source of our culture from existence (i.e. "software as a service.)" Metal Gear Online 2 is among the exceptions, not the rule for online software being revived; one need not look any further than Electronic Arts and Ubisoft for extensive lists of franchises affected by these practices. These aforementioned aspects is where copyright law must catch up and be addressed, preferably sooner rather than later.
It's so weird how 180° we've done on emulation for Nintendo games. When I was a teen, emulating ( even stealing, not suggesting that's the "right" thing to do ) Nintendo games was all anyone ever did. Someone, somewhere, in a study hall, ALWAYS had a disc with like a ton of games burned onto it for an emulator. It's so weird how now everyone wants to pretend it's this thing that hasn't been around forever & people haven't been using to save their own games.
Same. I was the guy with a usb drive or dvd for every console, with one of my best friends being the one who found ways to get the emulators to run on the school's garbage computers. Those computers really did suck though. At any given moment, they would be at 99% CPU usage, even when nothing was running.
Commodore 64 game copying happened all the time. Those giant floppy discs were flying everywhere. No different from mixed tapes or connecting two VCRs.
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If I bought the game, then I can do whatever I want. Typically, it's only illegal to sell, distribute, or share pirated stuff. Downloading it and keeping it for yourself is a gray area.
even the typical ones dont apply since reselling was/is a thing...which should be more illegal then the other 2 since you directly profit... but you know when gamespot does it is ok...
Nah it's gray area because it's not illegal to have the backup but it is actually illegal to make the copy if it has copy protection. The act of breaking the copy protection is illegal
emulators will be around 50 years down the line for people to play all the great games that they otherwise wouldn't be able to unless they forked out loads of money for money hungry ebay scoundrels. You guys are a gift to the gaming community and we thank you for your time and effort.
Me and Muta are both outlaws, not only because we both emulate videogames but because I have a crystal meth empire which I run with one of my old students from my chemistry class
@@minigundozer14 But the platform in question isn't a SNES. It's a Switch. And that image he took of playing Xenoblade 3 was before the game's official launch. Games preservation is one thing. But pirating an unreleased game days before launch and hiding behind the guise of "games preservation" is scummy. What about buying the game and supporting the franchise. Out of all the games he could have chose to pirate, he picked the niche JRPG. Not Mario, not Madden, not COD, not Pokemon, nor any other franchise that's guaranteed a 100% success in the market. But Xenoblade.
@@minigundozer14 Not really hard if you have a local shop nearby but finding games for them? Yeah, that's hard. It probably can't be hacked either. And even the bad computers can run SNES games perfectly fine now.
As long as you're not straight up selling the roms or making some kind of profit off them, then who cares, honestly. Roms and emulation is a means of preservation at its core. There are games you'll never be able to buy or obtain legally again. There are people in certain parts of the world where using roms and emulators are the only way they can play the game. It's all about the preservation and giving the ability to experience them for future generations.
Gotta love how people still ignore Mutahar's message and explanations about emulation for preservation and instead ramble on about justifying piracy of everything.
Not everything. Indie games shouldn't be pirated. And downloading games that aren't being sold anymore isn't really piracy. Pirating from big companies doesn't really hurt them because they wouldn't receive money from you anyways and because they are rich AF compared to most people.
Theres a reason why people pirate. For me, it's generally 'try before i buy', unless i like the game and hate the devs. Bethesda, for instance. Want fallout? How about my three copies i already bought? Foh, ima pirate from shit devs, regardless of status or wealth.
I have an ongoing list of games I played as a kid that I couldn't remember for a long time, if it wasn't for emulation and websites like Vimm's Lair, a lot of these games would probably remain as obscure memories in the back of my head.
On every game box/manual it says by law your allowed to make a copy for yourself (as long as it in no way benefits you financially) so it does feel like someone somewhere figured people would eventually need to this to store a game properly.
The guy who called you an outlaw mudshow cretin might be a wrestling fan. That's manager Jim Cornette's line. It's used to criticize independent wrestlers who do more acrobatics than grappling.
@@andrewlodge8065 AEW fans aren't much more inspiring to be honest. There are fanatics everywhere. And in fairness to Jim himself I at least respect his takes since he usually backs them with factual bases. But I do disagree with the guy as much as I agree with him.
I was a child of the 80's in the UK and I've loved emulation for preserving games I used to play in 1984 on British 8-bit computers since the 90's when it first started to appear, then Amiga and Arcade games joined the fray and I've never looked back. Happy to be an outlaw, I was a bit of a pirate in the Amiga days ngl but I still bought the games I really wanted and these days I have money so purchase everything. For Arcades it's pure nostalgia, I own several old boards but god damn I put so much money into those things I figure I've paid my dues - I have bought re-releases on Switch for any that I liked that are available. We are not all just thieves and the self righteous kucks who say that can go eat dick
Every time Muta covers emulating I always think how similar it is to torrenting (as it too is often connected to piracy, some may even think its illegal) seen as both are great for preservation and often provide superior experience
I follow a couple Nintendo groups and when I see them selling graded games or recently a mint condition box only of earthbound which was 800$!!! I am dumbfounded when I see some of the decisions some people make sure I’m being a bit of a hypocrite most expensive game I bought was MMX2 for 250$ I understand some have more money to blow and it’s their hobby but when you really think on it it’s dumb on the choices they make
@@darksu6947 oh yeah it wasn’t cheap the value of it is still sitting around the amount I paid it was only the cartridge but if it was CIB then that would go around a couple hundred more but if it was MMX3 well your gonna have to sell your kidney for that so I ended up buying MMX3 JP version for 30$
The only issue I've ever personally had with emulation is sound. I am really sensitive to sound defects, and even a minor hiccup is an instant turn-off for me. I often sacrifice visual performance in emulators just to get the sound absolutely perfect. Ideally, I'd want sound improvements over visual improvements, but I tend to be in the minority over that.
Yeah, emulation is good if you have a pc that can handle it. Otherwise, I'd recommend playing them on their own systems. All that matters is for the game to run fine for me.
I have heard many ridiculous things but calling someone an outlaw for buying a game for a different platform a slightly different way is unthinkably stupid 😂 besides even if it was actually “stealing” who cares it’s one person choosing not to buy a game from a million dollar company it won’t affect them and it certainly won’t affect the people complaining about it 🙄
(*clears throat*) multi-million/billion dollar, but yes none of the companies who care about these emulations won’t lose money on super old games, they made the money they would make from them.
One day I decided to stop pirating and buy all the games I wanted to play. Then I saw 225 bucks for a game and noped back to sailing the seven seas. Piracy is a service problem.
I'm against pirating brand new games personally. I want the artists to get paid. But like... I ain't paying 200 bucks to some bitch on ebay to play pokemon leaf green. Enjoy the seven seas my dude. o7
I'm still amazed by valve's accomplishment with the steam deck, the amount of games that such tiny thing shouldn't be able to run but does and pretty smoothly is incredible. But yeah, defending corporations like that is quite cringe.
more amazed on how amd managed to make a chip to run it so well and still keep relatively cool with a low power consumption, brilliant hardware design with brilliant software design
Its not really that amazing. Its a pc with old hardware. And it can run games. And valve isn't the first one to do this either. Gpd has been doing this for years.
@@adhirg Wishful thinking really dude that it was a typo, but nah, he definitely just learned a new phrase from ol' Corny and thinks he's hot shit for having a "unique" vocabulary.
"How much is Nintendo paying you????" I like your content and this video is no exception. But the last minute and a half had me laughing so hard. This is an industry that can't be bothered to care about not traumatizing its actual employees but they're going to care about random person on the internet who bought a game or two?
This very small minority give us Nintendo fans a bit of a bad name, i buy damn near every Nintendo game and I still emulate as do many other fans for a variety of reasons (in fact youd be surprised how many more technical fans there are, like Kaze Emanuar for instance)
As if. They’ve more likely retreated into their safe spaces to talk trash on you with their arm chair redditor friends using straw man arguments then proceeding to spend $90s on a modern 15fps Pokémon Game.
100% if people have the rights to resell games they already OWN that means they own that data and the plastic/silicone chips and should be allowed to back it up and play it on hardware they also own.
I LOVE emulation, ROMs and all that sort of thing. ESPECIALLY if it's for a game where the only way to obtain it legally anymore is for $200 from some scalper on eBay who merely expects you to have it still boxed on a shelf somewhere. Also, I think it's perfectly fine for you to emulate a game you already have purchased legally, since you're probably just doing so in order to run it on different hardware like your $2000 gaming PC. Also software preservation FTW!!! Straight out piracy can suck though.
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I always love how random your vids are haha, you always learn something. I never really did much with emulators besides play old pokemon games online in the past. But didn't know the rabbit hole went this deep haha
I still believe, seeing all these newer games pushing the hardware past its limits and frame/resolution issues, that they had at some point planned a hardware update. COVID and hardware and chip issues, probably made them rethink their plans. If the next console is backward compatible that'll be pretty nice.
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I have my theory, with Nintendo specifically at least, that the reason why people care about it, it's because of the games, not the company. Pulling a reverse UNO card, if Doug Bowser or Reggie got ran over tomorrow, nobody would really care outside of a few RIP posts. But people care about their games and want them to succeed with the hope that there's more of them, or at the very least, that they don't get forgotten and cancelled due to sales since they want to keep enjoying the worlds and gameplay of those series. That's why i assume they care so much about it. Then there's the Twitter theory, which is that people don't actually care, they just want the moral golden star by looking like they care.
Dude, Reggie was beloved. Fans at one point noticed he had an office chair that wasn't the absolute best in the line, and petitioned Nintendo to buy him the most expensive, modern version. Which Nintendo did. If he died tomorrow there'd be fucking vigils in the streets. I can't say what fan sentiment is about Bowser, but I'd imagine it'd be more then a few RIP posts. I mean look at Iwata; not every Nintendo fan knew what he actually did, but his death still sent ripples of grief and condolences and tributes throughout not just the Nintendo community, but the wider gaming community. People give a shit about the humans working on and with video games. It's just a matter of not being a corporate figurehead or a douche.
"Who's gonna play these old games X years from now" is like no one is ever gonna listen to Queen songs, watch Indiana Jones or read Lord of the rings anymore.
I literally wouldn't know what to do if I couldn't emulate my games, it's either not around anymore or they want an arm or leg for a good copy. everyone should be able to enjoy these games
I'm honestly jealous of emulation. There is like some weird link in my brain where if it isn't an old gameboy game I can't get myself to emulate and finish a game. I know this makes no sense it's like there is this weird thing where if the other way feels more convenient (regardless of how easy/hard it actually is) it's hard for me to put in the effort
I used to be kind of against emulating games that are out on current gen consoles but after I put like 700 hours into botw on the switch completely 100% it I decided I would try it out on my pc and seeing all the mods the community has made breathed a lot more life into the game it really made me change my mind and start seeing how its not bad at all emulating games especially if actually own the games already
I still play old games, assassin creed Syndicate is almost 7 years old, it’s halfway to 15 years old, and I’m still actively playing it and enjoying it.
Despite being a Nintendo fan, I am all for emulation. If a company refuses to sell you their games, and there is no legal way to buy them anymore, emulation is a perfectly viable option for those who want to access more games.
I'm currently playing XC3, and I can see it's occasionally struggling performance wise. Don't get me wrong, the game is gorgeous but I noticed some inconsistencies; I don't blame anyone who wants to get better performance. I'm not knowledgeable in modding hardware or software (the Steam Workshop is pure witchcraft to me with how simple it is to work, just press a button and you're good), so I just stick to the hardware and software you get out of the box. Edit: MGS4 looks gorgeous on rpc, holy shit
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That damned question reminds me of one of my good friends. The friend that seems to group everything before the GameCube into a category they refer to as "old". I'm not exaggerating when I say that he gets confused between the N64 and Sega Genesis.
@@MishaFlower I think the point they're making is that "oldness" kinda works like a spectrum. Yeah, I'd probably consider GCN old (it's older than me at least lol), but the Genesis is _old_ Pong? *Ancient* Space War? Friggin' PREHISTORIC! Etc.
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Sigh. We already fought this battle first with Sony then with Nintendo. Emulation is legal. If you own a license to a piece of software the seller is not legally allowed to require you to own a specific piece of hardware to use it. You are entitled to transfer software you own between different storage media.
Apparently you don’t get the right to own a game in two separate forms when you buy a copy though, so downloading a new rom is illegal. Dumping old games can be kind of hard though so I figure that if I can get a rom somewhere and just say “oh yeah, I dumped that years ago” then no one will doubt me. What are the cops gonna do, compare the hashes of my earthworm Jim cartridge with the dump?
@@King_Dub_Dub Having a copy of a game in a PC: Legal;
Pressing CtrlcCtrlv: SOMEONE CALL THE COPS!! 👮♂️ 🚓 🚨
@@King_Dub_Dub Let's be honest tho, it's not much different than if you installed a game on your laptop and then on your pc once you can afford one, from the same CD. There are just few more steps in-between.
@@King_Dub_Dub I have played games I actually own but I do lose them over time so I often emulate these just for the sake of it. Like I owned XD Gale of Darkness which is literally unplayable to a certain point so its probably undumpable as well but fr its a game I owned so I would emulate a rom of it from like only two sites I use for roms and also theres the thing about the 3ds eshop being shut down in march 2023 like honestly do you expect people to go buy a game that would be expensive to own physically in this day and age like idk SMT 4? The pokemon games its absurd with how people are against emulation when trying to buy certain games are ridiculous in third party market prices like no one would spend so much money on a game that soon would be only obtainable by physical cartridges. I don’t pirate modern games like the switch and such. Like if I want to play a new pokemon game I’m buying it, not emulating it although I should learn to mod consoles like the 3ds or switch because why not? It would be interesting to learn about. I was only able to mod my dsi 3 months ago.
@@gendraconis7869 That's why I've only ever blatantly pirated games that aren't for sale from the manufacturer. If my money isn't trickling to the developers, it isn't worth buying.
Preservation of games is the most vital things with emulation. I mean just look at what Ubisoft has recently done with their DLCs from old games. It’s so we can continue reliving the memories that these games once gave us many years from when we start playing them again.
@Kavetion You really aren't
@ahhhcool damn he edgy
@ahhhcool bro wtf
@@annn2070 im suprised youtube didn't delete it
@@Repossessionn it's a bot. Just report it as spam and forget about it.
Person: Emulates
Nintendo fanboy: "Don't do that! You're hurting the developers and it's illegal! Nintendo will send you to court! Buy the original copies. They're better."
Emulators: Save states, fast forward and rewind feature, resolution upscaling, easy cheats, controller support, can play roms from any region without issues, rom editors, rom hacks, translation patches, region exclusive games, randomizers, Retroarch and last but not least... Mother 3.
Oh yes. The original hardware is better.
obligatory "its the original intended experience"
@@IceFire1800 5fps is a truly immersive experience
I am all for emulation but I feel like DS, Wii U and 3DS is best experienced on the platform itself because of touch screen. Any other console games through emulation, you are basically getting the same experience. I used to emulate many games but couldn't play 3DS games because my laptop is shit so I bought a 3DS. I am just glad that I can play DS and 3DS games on it without any problems. I hacked it because it isn't available in my country, it's going offline soon anyways.
Other than that, emulation is awesome. Also getting a hacked PS2 because I don't have a good PC. But if you do have a good PC, emulation is great.
it's those nintendo purists that thinks everything should be kept in a cartridge or a console.
as a nintendo fanboy, piracy is okay, and i do it even on their newer systems
Devs who are anti-preservation deserve to have their games not only emulated, but also pirated. Don't call piracy stealing when you make it near impossible to play your games.
@@sammyplaysproductions Thanks for the reminder fellow stranger, appreciate it. Any bot I spot i'll block in an instant.
Honest to God; impossible to find games like the last story and pandora's tower on wii without shilling 100$+ on ebay since there's no where else to play these rpgs
As a programmer, agreed
still stealing either way.
@@gasad01374 Stealing can be morraly justifiable. Also, if a game is completely impossible to reasonably obtain, it really isn't stealing since nobody who made or published the game would be losing anything.
Nintendo is morally right. (please help me they’ve held my family hostage in an abandoned railway please save me)
Boooooo
good job little cappy, your family will live one more day for how right you are!
* turns radio on *
Sir, am I really qualified for this task?
I mean it might be some videogame company but they might have guns.
@@SpringDavid Don't worry son, we've got your back. Just follow the plan and we'll handle the rest.
Don't worry. We will avenge you
Remember kids, It's always morally correct to pirate Nintendo games.
I mean how else are you gonna play your Mario 64
Find a new N64? FUNNY JOKE
100% agreed.
Yeah if they are gonna be so bothered then we should steal everything we can from them. They don't need the money anyway they own most of Japan by now.
@@minigundozer14 though it's on the Switch N64 software tile.
@@Zed-Corps yeah the rip off emulator
Emulation and ripping games is a great way to preserve games. How are people against it
"you didnt PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!"
- some conservative capitalist
@UCqyE2N4qePOq3Ioj8xaXmmA pretty based if u ask me
@UCqyE2N4qePOq3Ioj8xaXmmA holy fuck, can you like just go back to replying with links?
But ripping your own games isn't illegal, nor is using an emulator to play it. At least it's not illegal in America.
Downloading ROMs online on the otherhand, that's actual piracy.
corporate brainwashing about what's actually true in the law (a.k.a. widespread misinformation). I'm sure that Nintendo would love for emulation to be outright illegal but it just simply is not, and it would be awful for everyone else if it were.
How adorable it is to call someone an outlaw . It's like a mom talking to their son about stealing an extra cookie .
Ye i thats why i love little Arthur Morgan
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you you absolute monster
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you To prison with you.
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you i am currently processing the emotion of being offended due to your comment
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you how could you?
Remember back when we owned a game we actually _owned_ it? These days they don't just wanna control who plays it, but what you're playing on too. It's like we don't own games anymore, we're just allowed to play them.
Its been that way for a long time - that's the whole idea of the software license. Companies want it both ways - you're paying for a license unless your original media goes bad, then too bad, you'd better buy a new game. It's a stunning level of hypocrisy and double dealing.
Welcome to the era of games-as-a service... truly sad times
"Who plays 15 year old games?"
My favorite game of all time, MOTHER 3, with a 97% rating on Google Search, which may I remind you NEVER GOT LOCALIZED, and was such a good game that the fans edited their own translation patch, is now 16 years old as of April. If you're still saying the game probably isn't worth preserving the history of, well even Nintendo is disagreeing with you, putting Lucas as a fighter in Smash Bros even to this day.
Based. Mother 3 is 100000% worth breaking the law to play idgaf what the nintendorks say lol.
Nintendo using a character from a japanese only game in smash: this is fine
Nintendo seeing fans play japanese only game: thats illegal
I will play ocarina of time till i die cause nothing comes close
I feel that. I like a bunch of games that don't even have an English release. It's annoying.
@@iamlucidess Nintendo: Playing Japan only Character is Haram. *Grabs Scalple to Slice away mere knowledge of Nes from your Noggin*
For someone who's not have the luxury to buy "all" the old console to play, emulation really help me to enjoy playing some of the old title that i can't catch up when i was younger. I'm playing from the old laptop from 2012 (the only computer i have), and really grateful for the online community to provide the game preservation and the emulation for other people, like myself.
@TECHNOBLADE IS BURNING IN H3LL what
I like how when the guy realized that he actually owned a copy of Xenoblade instead of just owning up he instead blocked Muta, what a child.
that's twitter for you, idiots that accuse you of things and then ghost you when you prove your legitimacy.
In Toronto there lived an outlaw, by name Mutahar Red
Many men had tried to take him and that many men were dead
He was vicious and a pogger, with G-Fuel canisters twenty-four
And the VMs in his Linux numbered one and nineteen more
One and nineteen more
The Big Penguin on his hips....
👏👏
@Diamond Frieza no, big iron reference
Specifically Texas red
I love your Big Iron reference. (I love the song itself too :3)
Insert Mojave nuclear winter joke here
With music, you're able to extract the mp3 files or flac files for preservation. Companies aren't going to keep making CDs, when they can just put music on streaming platforms for a quick buck. Game companies are going to do the same thing eventually, everything digitized. Emulation is a consumer right.
I have good news and bad news. Apple seems to have decided CD ripped files are not permissible to be uploaded to their cloud services, which means iTunes can’t play it. It may be a “me” issue, naturally.
@C. Doyle if I try to upload my flac library is it gonna tell me to piss off?
@@SergeantRoosters I don't think there might be enough storage for that amount of flac files LOL
@@SergeantRoosters I have no idea. Some work from my PC but I can’t get them onto my iPhone or iPad. Some I ripped last year, they worked then, and now they don’t work.
@@GarGhuul well I guess time to get a android phone
"who's gonna be playing these old games 20 years from now?"
Halo is old enough to legally drink in the US
Republic Commando graduated high school last year
Empire at War and Battlefront 2 Classic graduate this year
Command & Conquer family bought their own house a decade ago
Age of Empires is C&C's neighbor and best friend going on 20 years
all of these games, and more from their eras, are still widely popular today. Never underestimate the timelessness of a good game.
Amen Ner Vod, keep fighting.
Empire at War, BF2 and Republic Commando bring up so many childhood memories.. thanks for that, ner'vod
Tf2 is almost legal in the uk
Never underestimate the power of classics.
@@srb-4g0-b2k17 Is that a real game? I know you’re probably joking, but that might be a good game
imagine defending a billion dollar company like they care bout you
@Kavetion facts you are amazing
@Kavetion There is not a single person in this world who is better than you are❤
What if they are share holders of the company?
@@Contractor48 1 emulation = -1% in nintendo stock rip
BUT DEEZ GOD! DEY DO CARE! DEY DO! DEY NO DA NAM ZYLOSPRUNG! *Shits pants in fear that they don't*
Pokemon is the prime example for why you should emulate imo. It's stupid that so many of the games aren't sold outside their original hardware and resell prices are in the hundreds
felt that in my soul, I got robbed lost all my og Pokemon carts and console, cost me a couple hundred just to buy back what I lost... whats worse though is there are so many fakes I spent days and hours sifting through the likes of ebay to make sure what I bought was legit.... Then had to resolder new batteries just so I could play "legit"
Yeah, like nintendo isn't even re-releasing or porting any old gba games to their currently available software. GBA games are as good as gone.
@@therealevilmudbug the last time they did that was with the 3DS..... and it was Red, Blue, and Yellow the literal first games from 1995
@@Sonichero151 Well, Red/Blue/(Green)/Yellow (GB) and Gold/Silver/Crystal (GBC) on 3DS before they cut off the ability to add money to 3DS eShop and buy the games that way - some places like EBGames are selling download codes for Gen2 Pokemon at like $13 AUD, but it's only a matter of time before those stop being available.
Retro games in general are overpriced, and it's not like the original devs make a penny from an inflated resale market. Emulation and things like everdrives harm nobody when you literally cannot purchase a game from the license holder.
As long as emulation doesn’t hurt sales of new games, it should be perfectly legal.
It’s so stupid that people constantly wine about pirating “hurting a company” while said games continue to sell hundreds of millions of copies.
Emulation itself should never be illegal and infact emulation itself is not illegal in any way.
Piracy on the other hand is illegal and if emulation affects sales it's usually not emulation but the piracy behind it.👍
Piracy should be legal for scummy companies like Nintendo.
Now as a Nintendo Fanboy myself, I am 100% agreeing with Muta here. If I had all the tools necessary to hack my switch and dump the game files onto my PC I’d do it in a HEARTBEAT. If I might Muta, could you give some sort of tutorial to this so we switch fans can emulate our favorite games? I’d love to play BotW in 4K.
4k 1080p resolution
I'm going to say this nicely before anyone else says it not so nicely
4k resolution is 2160p or UHD
1080p is FHD
People use the wii u version of botw in emulation.
Use cemu to emulate, find a rom and run on cemu in a vm if you think the rom might be unsafe. Given that you already have a copy there should be no moral issues with pirating it out of convenience.
If you want to dump switch games ltt made a video tutorial for it.
The nintendo fan boys will call you a thief rn after writing that comment lol
funny thing is all you need is a like $6 plastic bit, a microsd card of any size and some programs you can get online. Its very easy
honestly I'm just going to wear that "outlaw" title like a badge of honor because that shit never stops being funny, calling someone an outlaw for ripping and emulating games they bought.
The outlaw part comes from before emulation became an excuse (a valid one.) There was a solid decade where everyone had to listen to people that were really just thieves doing mental gymnastics to explain how it was a record label’s fault they had to steal their Nickelback albums. Theives with flowery excuses have created quite a bit of opposition to the more valid “saving games for history” argument.
I am thinking of changing my legal name to Mr outlaw because I've emulated at least 50 games
The term "Outlaw" for something as dumb as emulating games is the same as calling someone a criminal mastermind for jaywalking
@@manwithaplan2001 or calling someone a road rager because theu got a minor speeding ticket
"Outlaw Mudshow" means a bad, low rent wrestling production and is commonly used in pro wrestling circles. "Outlaw" means someone who takes part in said low rent productions and is a low effort talent.
who in their right mind would say, "who would play a 15 year old game?" When there are still people who play and fought for Team Fortress 2?
NES games too, they still have fans, they’re way older
Retards. Retards that are so retarded that other retards call them retards.
Payers gonna pay, pirates gonna pirate.
No matter what you do, some people will always "steal" games. Make affordable products worth paying for, and make old games available for a fair price. (Looking at you Nintendo)
You can't stop it, but you can make it easier for people not to pirate.
Then there's the question of whether people who can't afford games should pirate. These old emulated games will run on very old computers if people cannot afford anything else. I've known people who've only gotten interested in gaming because emulation afforded them at least classic games, most of which are difficult to acquire legally to begin with.
@@lightningandodinify As Notch himself said "Play pirated until you can pay for the game"
@@hdnfbp Literally, I pirated SuperHot, then realised it was a banger, then paid for it on 2 different platforms lmao
@@hdnfbp I've played plenty of my friends' pirated games in the past then bought them on multiple platforms over the years, and now that I have a job I've bought most of them on pc which other than sales are usually at full retail price, these guys have gotten more of my money than they ever would if I hadn't played them at that time.
Examples being Spider-Man 2, most top DS bangers, GTA SA & 4
my favourites I bought afterwards, all GTA games on og xbox, xbox 360, PC and PS 2 & 3
Remember some Nordic nation had a culture of reading books and putting them into neighbor's mailbox in 90s. Resharing or reselling would might as well be considered "piracy" in that regard. How times have changed that university professors will mandate their own thousand dollar shitbooks in college courses and then each issue needs to have a gddamn test code to validate a student has bought the books even though the content hasn't changed in 10years. Knowledge is no longer free.
Honestly being able to play Astral Chain and Xenoblade 3 at higher res and frames sounds great. You bought the software, now you're able to preserve it. Two incredible games that can be enjoyed more smoothly idk why anyone would be against it.
imagine buying the original game on your switch and then emulating it on your pc, you paid for it, so..
@@victorhimanclan5802 Facts, they should have just bought it on steam 💀
They gotta justify spending money on inferior hardware somehow i guess.
@@D-W-N-Xsist
Wait, its available on steam? Thought its nintendo exclusive....
@@asain3586 Nope both of them are ONLY switch so i don't know if those above are trolls or just stupid. And people are so quick to judge and shame others, like buying 2 games and then emulating them constitutes justifying buying a "weak" console SMH.
I just recently got into pc gaming and started emulating and modding games like Pokemon and Sonic. It's often the best way to play games new and old and if it's a game that you already own or is unavailable to purchase anymore than there shouldn't be any moral controversy around emulation.
I was under the impression that ripping and emulation were fine, it's when you rip and make copies for profit is when it becomes illegal.
Distributing it is also where it becomes illegal.
that's the way how it works in other places like Chile. You can download stuff, but is piracy only if you sell the game
I always thought/assumed it is mostly a grey area, but you should be safe just downloading it from somewhere, because the people who uploaded it are the ones 'breaking the law'
@@Zuignap You're technically also breaking the law, but Nintendo cares way more about the distributors than you.
18:05
The only reason that Nintendo would care if you got run over is if you just so happened to be distracted by using the switch or one of their phone apps
Doubtful. They probably be like "oh no! oh well, another will replace them in a few minutes".
@@TheGravityShifter something is telling me that's accurate
@Kavetion don't care didn't ask
They would only care if you got run over if you happen to be playing their games on a non-Nintendo device.
@Kavetion I'm better than Kavetion!
"Who's gonna play these games 15 years from now?"
Probably me. I am really enjoying old school games that I experienced as a kid. Dusted out my N64, got it working again (the Expansion Pak was shot so I had to get another), and got an adaptor so it'll work with more modern TVs. Majora's mask, Ocarina of Time, Starfox 64, etc, I have been enjoying them again. I am also diving into my old Gameboy games, Gamecube, and Wii. It is a lovely experience down memeory lane and the games are still quite fun.
It is extra fun knowing I do not have to deal with microtransactions that modern games are plagued with nowadays. Not all are plagued with it, but going into the past for games really shows what it once was and what it has turned into now. I am experiencing them physically because I still own them and they are still functional, but without owning them it would be very hard to experience it like it originally was.
I mean, Mass Effect 1 is 15 years old, and got a new breath of life with Legendary Edition. Halo: Combat Evolved is like 20 years old and is considered a classic FPS people should play, that's now available in Master Chief Collection.
My kids WILL be playing Skyrim, Black Ops 1, and MW2. Aint a damn thing companies can say
Bruh, I play old games just because I love discovering more and more games. Only had a NES but still. Really love them. I think any true gamer wouldn't care what platform you play on or how old a game is. It's all about fun. So yeah, screw the people who don't understand such things, they are missing out, not us.
Daily reminder that it's always morally correct to emulate Nintendo games.
and to pier 8.
@Kavetion no your not. stop the cap
@@hiimmistergay4247 don't talk to the bots bro
I think you mean what Jim Sterling said. Piracy laws are outdated if you ask me. Just because it's a law doesn't mean i have to follow it. If i want to smoke weed. You bet your ass i'm gonna roll one up. If i want to play a game, I play the game, If i want to watch shrek, I will.
I think it's dumb if you actually need to use morality to justify video games emulation in the first place lol.
Really glad u held ur own on this as a voice of the community. Mgs4 isn’t even available on cloud anymore, and a lot of remasters strip features and/or are worse graphically than upscaled emulated versions.
"Emulation is classism" buddy I would never have been able to play Zelda, Pokemon, any games like that, CLASSIC games that everyone should get to experience, without emulators. I grew up with a shitty PS1 that barely worked and we'd go out each week to the video store - remember when those were a thing? - and pay $5 a week to rent Spyro so we could play it because we couldn't afford to buy it outright or buy new consoles (Ps3 had just come out, if I remember), so I missed out on a lot of games when I was a kid.
I love emulators
Where I live, basically only mobile games are widely played. Not many people play computer games, much less console games, and even less so back in 2013/14 when I first got a shitty little laptop with a pentium chip, integrated graphics and 2 GB RAM lol. I have fond memories of playing many Pokemon games, OoT, MM, and even managing to finish games like Wind Waker and Path of Radiance that only ran at like ~10 FPS.
It's baffling to suggest that people who end up emulating because they can't afford to buy all these consoles or because of unavailability and obscurity are somehow more classist than these pathological consoomers 🤣
Now inaginelivinginSouth america.
Not only game and consoles are EXPENSIVE, but that is if they SELL IT AT ALL
Heck, even rom searching becomes dificult when only 40% of japanese library and 60% of the europea. One ARE translated to otheridioms NOT english.
For example, golden sun 1 was in spanish, golden sun 2 ONLY IN ENGLISH, Golden sun DS has spanish.
I'm sure that guy feels its great to carry around ps1, dreamcast, gba, gc, n64 in their travel. Imagine having to hoard ancient systems at home just to legally play a console game.
I think they meant to say classist. And even then they are wrong. The amount of exploitation of the workers on those games......
If anything people who think the only way to play earthbound is to get the original physical copy are the classists
Imagine siding with a company who only has that mindset so they can make more money by screwing you over.
All hardware eventually breaks down over time; software preservation via emulation is essential to keeping these pieces of history intact for future generations to experience.
Regardless of ones stance towards emulation and piracy, there will be a day where some of your favorite games will end up in museums. Where original printed copies are not being sold anywhere but the second hand market, digital copies not available within any storefront.
This already happens with games whose functionality is tied to online servers; that when the publisher shuts the server down without an end of life plan those games are not available to experience at all, thus effectively wiping a source of our culture from existence (i.e. "software as a service.)"
Metal Gear Online 2 is among the exceptions, not the rule for online software being revived; one need not look any further than Electronic Arts and Ubisoft for extensive lists of franchises affected by these practices.
These aforementioned aspects is where copyright law must catch up and be addressed, preferably sooner rather than later.
It's so weird how 180° we've done on emulation for Nintendo games. When I was a teen, emulating ( even stealing, not suggesting that's the "right" thing to do ) Nintendo games was all anyone ever did. Someone, somewhere, in a study hall, ALWAYS had a disc with like a ton of games burned onto it for an emulator. It's so weird how now everyone wants to pretend it's this thing that hasn't been around forever & people haven't been using to save their own games.
Same.
I was the guy with a usb drive or dvd for every console, with one of my best friends being the one who found ways to get the emulators to run on the school's garbage computers.
Those computers really did suck though. At any given moment, they would be at 99% CPU usage, even when nothing was running.
its not stealing I didn't steal a monkey.jpg NFT
Commodore 64 game copying happened all the time. Those giant floppy discs were flying everywhere. No different from mixed tapes or connecting two VCRs.
My friend had a file called Nes that was chock full of Games.
Kinda wish my old PC still worked, there was a cool Wizard game I loved.
There's an obnoxious zeitgeist of holier-than-thou puritanism that's swept up the Twitter generation.
Just so you know, "outlaw mudshow" guy is a fan of Jim Cornette. He's a pro wrestling manager that runs a podcast and uses the phrase all the time.
You forgot, one of the funniest people alive, and an absolute poet of profanities.
I'm a big fan of both the Experience, and the Drive-thru.
"Hawaiian Brian the podcasting lion and king of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network. He is the proprietor of the French Toast Chateau, ladies and gentlemen your friend, and mine the great Brian Last." - James E. Cornette
Also, pretty sure dude misused the "outlaw mud show" insult.
I love the fact a corny fan went after muta
Glad to know I’m not the only one that realized it was a Jim Cornette reference
He's great if you enjoy it for what it is and it doesn't affect you, like water off a ducks back.
But maaaaaan, some people get fucking worked into a shoot don't they haha.
Both sides are just as bad... so I stay the fuck out of it and just enjoy the silver-tongued old devil, he's like an encyclopaedia of wrestling knowledge.
Hey muta, when Im really anxious or feeling depressed your videos really help me. Thanks everything
"The Terror Tuber Of Toronto"
"The Ontario Outlaw"
"The Canadian Crime-lord"
"The Maple Mastermind"
Some of your evil alter-ego names so far..
is there a specific term for this kind of play on words?
i love comment chains that are like this
@@bowserjrimacasualshutup6754 alliteration
@@TerryVideoZone bruh how did i not remember this
thanks lmao
"The Six's Serial Stealer"
Gold
If I bought the game, then I can do whatever I want.
Typically, it's only illegal to sell, distribute, or share pirated stuff. Downloading it and keeping it for yourself is a gray area.
even the typical ones dont apply since reselling was/is a thing...which should be more illegal then the other 2 since you directly profit... but you know when gamespot does it is ok...
Not gray but perfectly legal.
it's not gray it's a total white area. nintendo lost numerous times in court against it
Nah it's gray area because it's not illegal to have the backup but it is actually illegal to make the copy if it has copy protection. The act of breaking the copy protection is illegal
also reselling is usually "illegal", but second hand markets exists
emulators will be around 50 years down the line for people to play all the great games that they otherwise wouldn't be able to unless they forked out loads of money for money hungry ebay scoundrels. You guys are a gift to the gaming community and we thank you for your time and effort.
Running windows on virtual machines and cloud are also emulation. Its funny those kids think emulation is piracy.
@@HolyRamanRajya Good point!
Me and Muta are both outlaws, not only because we both emulate videogames but because I have a crystal meth empire which I run with one of my old students from my chemistry class
Sounds like you work for a man who owns 14 chicken restaurants
never even watched the show but I have a feeling this is a breaking bad reference
woltah putcha deek away woltah
@@lemon66111 nah it's a Simpson reference
@@lemon66111
Its not, it's in reference to a real life meth empire.
Emulating Nintendo is not a crime, it's self defense.
Yeah, imagine the trouble it would take to buy a god damn SNES nowadays
@@minigundozer14 But the platform in question isn't a SNES. It's a Switch. And that image he took of playing Xenoblade 3 was before the game's official launch. Games preservation is one thing. But pirating an unreleased game days before launch and hiding behind the guise of "games preservation" is scummy. What about buying the game and supporting the franchise. Out of all the games he could have chose to pirate, he picked the niche JRPG. Not Mario, not Madden, not COD, not Pokemon, nor any other franchise that's guaranteed a 100% success in the market. But Xenoblade.
@@minigundozer14 Bout $20 and 10 minute car ride. Not a lot of trouble, but it is a bit out of the way.
@@minigundozer14 Not really hard if you have a local shop nearby but finding games for them? Yeah, that's hard. It probably can't be hacked either. And even the bad computers can run SNES games perfectly fine now.
@@NovaMaster375
Brother a working one, not the spider infested one that got rat feces on it.
Being called an outlaw while playing some red dead 2 is just such a perfect scenario
Muta: *spend hours upon hours making multiple videos explaining why game preservation is good.
Internet: "omg, now suddenly I don't have ear"
Haha you cant stop me i cant read hehe! until we meet agien!
twitter: "oh shit my eyes stopped working"
As long as you're not straight up selling the roms or making some kind of profit off them, then who cares, honestly. Roms and emulation is a means of preservation at its core. There are games you'll never be able to buy or obtain legally again. There are people in certain parts of the world where using roms and emulators are the only way they can play the game. It's all about the preservation and giving the ability to experience them for future generations.
Gotta love how people still ignore Mutahar's message and explanations about emulation for preservation and instead ramble on about justifying piracy of everything.
Not everything. Indie games shouldn't be pirated. And downloading games that aren't being sold anymore isn't really piracy. Pirating from big companies doesn't really hurt them because they wouldn't receive money from you anyways and because they are rich AF compared to most people.
Theres a reason why people pirate.
For me, it's generally 'try before i buy', unless i like the game and hate the devs. Bethesda, for instance. Want fallout? How about my three copies i already bought? Foh, ima pirate from shit devs, regardless of status or wealth.
Can't wait to see the next episode of the some ordinary outlaws podcast.
I have an ongoing list of games I played as a kid that I couldn't remember for a long time, if it wasn't for emulation and websites like Vimm's Lair, a lot of these games would probably remain as obscure memories in the back of my head.
Yeah same. CDRomance is another good one.
emuparadise was the best thing ever for me when I discovered emulation
Worth noting that vimms won't always need the file format you need (loading dc roms from vimms won't run on a real console)
On every game box/manual it says by law your allowed to make a copy for yourself (as long as it in no way benefits you financially) so it does feel like someone somewhere figured people would eventually need to this to store a game properly.
The guy who called you an outlaw mudshow cretin might be a wrestling fan. That's manager Jim Cornette's line. It's used to criticize independent wrestlers who do more acrobatics than grappling.
Well that says a lot about their intelligence right there....
@@andrewlodge8065 AEW fans aren't much more inspiring to be honest. There are fanatics everywhere. And in fairness to Jim himself I at least respect his takes since he usually backs them with factual bases. But I do disagree with the guy as much as I agree with him.
At least they didn't call Muta shitstain.
Cult of cornette!
Mudahar isn't just an outlaw. He is playing God.
Thats a timeless game.
Nobody is perfect.
I'm nobody, so I'm perfect! 😂😂😂
I cannot wait your full review on the deck, this thing is freaking awesome
"Delicious little outlaw" is my new favorite Muta-ism.
@@sammyplaysproductions beep boop
@@sammyplaysproductions ok sorry, you are no botter
You are fatherless
@@sammyplaysproductions
That's even more pathetic.
Sammy died of cringe
Ain't about to spend hundreds of dollars for a retro console when I can play them for free on my PC.
I was a child of the 80's in the UK and I've loved emulation for preserving games I used to play in 1984 on British 8-bit computers since the 90's when it first started to appear, then Amiga and Arcade games joined the fray and I've never looked back. Happy to be an outlaw, I was a bit of a pirate in the Amiga days ngl but I still bought the games I really wanted and these days I have money so purchase everything. For Arcades it's pure nostalgia, I own several old boards but god damn I put so much money into those things I figure I've paid my dues - I have bought re-releases on Switch for any that I liked that are available. We are not all just thieves and the self righteous kucks who say that can go eat dick
Every time Muta covers emulating I always think how similar it is to torrenting (as it too is often connected to piracy, some may even think its illegal) seen as both are great for preservation and often provide superior experience
People who are against emulation are the same people who are selling games for 100$ and see nothing wrong with it
More like $300 but yeah you go sis
no no but its rare its supposed to cost a bunch!!!!!!
I follow a couple Nintendo groups and when I see them selling graded games or recently a mint condition box only of earthbound which was 800$!!! I am dumbfounded when I see some of the decisions some people make sure I’m being a bit of a hypocrite most expensive game I bought was MMX2 for 250$ I understand some have more money to blow and it’s their hobby but when you really think on it it’s dumb on the choices they make
@@Viper-jr4sp You paid 250 for MMX2? Holy shit dude.
@@darksu6947 oh yeah it wasn’t cheap the value of it is still sitting around the amount I paid it was only the cartridge but if it was CIB then that would go around a couple hundred more but if it was MMX3 well your gonna have to sell your kidney for that so I ended up buying MMX3 JP version for 30$
The only issue I've ever personally had with emulation is sound. I am really sensitive to sound defects, and even a minor hiccup is an instant turn-off for me. I often sacrifice visual performance in emulators just to get the sound absolutely perfect. Ideally, I'd want sound improvements over visual improvements, but I tend to be in the minority over that.
Damn, such a shame. But its all about that fun and perfection for maximum quality well spend time
Yeah, emulation is good if you have a pc that can handle it. Otherwise, I'd recommend playing them on their own systems. All that matters is for the game to run fine for me.
I have heard many ridiculous things but calling someone an outlaw for buying a game for a different platform a slightly different way is unthinkably stupid 😂 besides even if it was actually “stealing” who cares it’s one person choosing not to buy a game from a million dollar company it won’t affect them and it certainly won’t affect the people complaining about it 🙄
(*clears throat*)
multi-million/billion dollar, but yes none of the companies who care about these emulations won’t lose money on super old games, they made the money they would make from them.
One day I decided to stop pirating and buy all the games I wanted to play. Then I saw 225 bucks for a game and noped back to sailing the seven seas.
Piracy is a service problem.
or you get cyberpunked
Same, except I saw a $30 game.
I'm against pirating brand new games personally. I want the artists to get paid. But like... I ain't paying 200 bucks to some bitch on ebay to play pokemon leaf green.
Enjoy the seven seas my dude. o7
Facts
found the thieves comment section. get a job.
Even if someone is actually pirating games they don't own, I wouldn't lose much sleep over these giant corporations losing out on a few sales.
I'm still amazed by valve's accomplishment with the steam deck, the amount of games that such tiny thing shouldn't be able to run but does and pretty smoothly is incredible.
But yeah, defending corporations like that is quite cringe.
more amazed on how amd managed to make a chip to run it so well and still keep relatively cool with a low power consumption, brilliant hardware design with brilliant software design
@@wabachi Yup, whole thing is amazing. It's expensive, but it's probably one of the few gadgets that you can say "yup, fair enough."
Its not really that amazing. Its a pc with old hardware. And it can run games. And valve isn't the first one to do this either. Gpd has been doing this for years.
@@ghostlegit "it's not that amazing"
- Clueless individual
@@ghostlegit not even close man gdp been doing for years but they can’t do it as well as the steam deck
Congrats my man!
Now let's see what this is about...
@ahhhcool nah
How tf did he get a pass for saying the n word
@@og_3rd_st_saint_gat fr
@@constupatedtomuch im guessing he's a bot cause he's dropping it like its nothing in every reply
@@og_3rd_st_saint_gat what happens when you say the word? RUclips deletes it?
"I'm loading the game. I'm becoming the outlaw!!!!" - Muta 2022
"Outlaw mudshow"? Somebody a Jim Cornette fan?
Oh this is definitely why.
or maybe someone trying to insult Mutahar and autocorrect fucked them up. Mutahar and Mudshow are typographically similar.
@@adhirg Wishful thinking really dude that it was a typo, but nah, he definitely just learned a new phrase from ol' Corny and thinks he's hot shit for having a "unique" vocabulary.
Bruh gets a five star wanted level every time he emulate a game
Everytime he emulate a game, somewhere a plumber flushes himself down the toilet.
Would be a funny easter egg in gta 6 if you went to a piracy website and immediately got 5 stars
@@zenixkiryu Like in GTA 4? I heard you would get 5 (or 6?) stars on GTA 4 if you went to a certain website inside the game.
@@cacodemon345 Yeah, a "pageant" site would immediately give you 6 stars
"How much is Nintendo paying you????" I like your content and this video is no exception. But the last minute and a half had me laughing so hard. This is an industry that can't be bothered to care about not traumatizing its actual employees but they're going to care about random person on the internet who bought a game or two?
This very small minority give us Nintendo fans a bit of a bad name, i buy damn near every Nintendo game and I still emulate as do many other fans for a variety of reasons
(in fact youd be surprised how many more technical fans there are, like Kaze Emanuar for instance)
It's still beyond me how Nintendo still has fans
@@sammyplaysproductions L
@@sammyplaysproductions nice content kiddo, bet that if Dislikes weren't hidden then every video would be a 90% dislike to like ratio
@@Reze000 At this point, I'm more of a Nintendo _games_ fan than a Nintendo fan.
"very small minority" sure bud
"Buying a used copy is basically equivalent to piracy" Several Nintendo fanatics fainted hearing this. Their world view shattered.
As if. They’ve more likely retreated into their safe spaces to talk trash on you with their arm chair redditor friends using straw man arguments then proceeding to spend $90s on a modern 15fps Pokémon Game.
@@dr.cloud1258 Not to mention the 15fps Pokémon game probably runs at 60fps on Yuzu a month after release lol.
@@yewtewbstew547 Pffff hahaha true
It really isn't equivalent though. That's a really embarrassing and maybe even dangerous hot take I wouldn't have expected from Muta.
100% if people have the rights to resell games they already OWN that means they own that data and the plastic/silicone chips and should be allowed to back it up and play it on hardware they also own.
I LOVE emulation, ROMs and all that sort of thing. ESPECIALLY if it's for a game where the only way to obtain it legally anymore is for $200 from some scalper on eBay who merely expects you to have it still boxed on a shelf somewhere.
Also, I think it's perfectly fine for you to emulate a game you already have purchased legally, since you're probably just doing so in order to run it on different hardware like your $2000 gaming PC.
Also software preservation FTW!!!
Straight out piracy can suck though.
You should really put a content warning on vids like this. Gonna cause some fan boys to faint such graphic images of emulation.
Twitter clowns in a nutshell. Main objective - point out someone else for being a bad person and call names to make yourself look as a better person. If the other person invalidates your point then block them.
I always love how random your vids are haha, you always learn something. I never really did much with emulators besides play old pokemon games online in the past. But didn't know the rabbit hole went this deep haha
I still believe, seeing all these newer games pushing the hardware past its limits and frame/resolution issues, that they had at some point planned a hardware update.
COVID and hardware and chip issues, probably made them rethink their plans. If the next console is backward compatible that'll be pretty nice.
I’m an outlaw
On Virtual Machines I ride
I’m wanted (wanted), dead or alive
I’m wanted (wanted), dead or alive
"Looks at title and sees thumbnail" outlaw?..mud what?
"Sees auto-generated subtitles says hey guys and gals me mood horn" ohhhhh! I love this mood horn guy
A Canadian outlaw turns himself in to the police with a very deeply held “sorrey”.
I have my theory, with Nintendo specifically at least, that the reason why people care about it, it's because of the games, not the company. Pulling a reverse UNO card, if Doug Bowser or Reggie got ran over tomorrow, nobody would really care outside of a few RIP posts.
But people care about their games and want them to succeed with the hope that there's more of them, or at the very least, that they don't get forgotten and cancelled due to sales since they want to keep enjoying the worlds and gameplay of those series. That's why i assume they care so much about it.
Then there's the Twitter theory, which is that people don't actually care, they just want the moral golden star by looking like they care.
Dude, Reggie was beloved. Fans at one point noticed he had an office chair that wasn't the absolute best in the line, and petitioned Nintendo to buy him the most expensive, modern version. Which Nintendo did. If he died tomorrow there'd be fucking vigils in the streets.
I can't say what fan sentiment is about Bowser, but I'd imagine it'd be more then a few RIP posts. I mean look at Iwata; not every Nintendo fan knew what he actually did, but his death still sent ripples of grief and condolences and tributes throughout not just the Nintendo community, but the wider gaming community.
People give a shit about the humans working on and with video games. It's just a matter of not being a corporate figurehead or a douche.
"Who's gonna play these old games X years from now" is like no one is ever gonna listen to Queen songs, watch Indiana Jones or read Lord of the rings anymore.
Muta: Good morning gamers
Fanboys: Good morning thief
I literally wouldn't know what to do if I couldn't emulate my games, it's either not around anymore or they want an arm or leg for a good copy. everyone should be able to enjoy these games
"What you in for?"
"Murder .. and you"
"Emulated street fighter.."
I'm honestly jealous of emulation. There is like some weird link in my brain where if it isn't an old gameboy game I can't get myself to emulate and finish a game.
I know this makes no sense it's like there is this weird thing where if the other way feels more convenient (regardless of how easy/hard it actually is) it's hard for me to put in the effort
I used to be kind of against emulating games that are out on current gen consoles but after I put like 700 hours into botw on the switch completely 100% it I decided I would try it out on my pc and seeing all the mods the community has made breathed a lot more life into the game it really made me change my mind and start seeing how its not bad at all emulating games especially if actually own the games already
Exactly. It’s down to the CEO’s being greedy and not actually caring about the products sadly.
Im with you Muta, i keept those special copies of FFXIII all parts because you mentioned them previous time you talked about the subject.
"Well Muta, who's gonna play a game fifteen years from now?"
Meanwhile, me playing Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven in the same month it turns twenty
🗿
Me who's been playing Persona 3, which is like 16 years old now
Mafia is a masterpiece, even it's remake was very well done even if it's missing some stuff.
I still play old games, assassin creed Syndicate is almost 7 years old, it’s halfway to 15 years old, and I’m still actively playing it and enjoying it.
Outlaw mudshow's a wrestling critic term describing a cheap wrestling show with untrained talent and most likely a ultraviolet Deathmatch on the card.
ノイズナイス
@@kaiserflxme enchantment table
Outlaw mudshow... Did you get insulted by Jim Cornette? 🤣😂
Despite being a Nintendo fan, I am all for emulation. If a company refuses to sell you their games, and there is no legal way to buy them anymore, emulation is a perfectly viable option for those who want to access more games.
Bro Muta’s an Outlaw POG!!!!!
nintendo: NOOOOOOOOOO! YOU CANT EMULATE OUR GAMES
mutahar: hehe emulating games go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Nintendo isn't losing a lot by emulation. Keep taking the W Muta.
Yeah I WOULD download a house
I'm currently playing XC3, and I can see it's occasionally struggling performance wise. Don't get me wrong, the game is gorgeous but I noticed some inconsistencies; I don't blame anyone who wants to get better performance.
I'm not knowledgeable in modding hardware or software (the Steam Workshop is pure witchcraft to me with how simple it is to work, just press a button and you're good), so I just stick to the hardware and software you get out of the box.
Edit: MGS4 looks gorgeous on rpc, holy shit
With the way 3d printers are coming along I might just download a car 🤔
Muta we all know. Everyone here is on that 6 Star GTA Wanted level ✨✨✨✨✨✨
@YeaMan it's page. If you're gonna spam plz spell right. Thx for replying tho
@Kavetion no
@ahhhcool what about them? if you're gonna spam plz provide something else other than that. Even if it's I hate/love them or not
✨🤯
i have a friend who says emulation is morally correct unless it's of an indie title, and i fully agree with them on that
emulation and piracy aren't the same thing
emulation is not the same as piracy, but otherwise I agree
your friend is very based
@@Venom_Snake84-t7z and kinda stupid
1:20 tf2 is so old and it has a giant community still, people love old games
He's an outlaw loose and runnin
Came the whisper from his lip
and he's here to play some games
with the emulator on his hip
"wElL mUtA, wHo'S gOnNa PlAy A gAmE !5 yEaRs fRoM nOw??@?"
_looks left towards speedrunning community_
_looks right towards Melee players_
_looks forward at my own PC with Mario Kart Wii running on Dolphin_
"You know, I'm not really sure."
That damned question reminds me of one of my good friends.
The friend that seems to group everything before the GameCube into a category they refer to as "old".
I'm not exaggerating when I say that he gets confused between the N64 and Sega Genesis.
@@orbofpondering Because they are old.
@@MishaFlower I think the point they're making is that "oldness" kinda works like a spectrum. Yeah, I'd probably consider GCN old (it's older than me at least lol), but the Genesis is _old_
Pong? *Ancient*
Space War? Friggin' PREHISTORIC!
Etc.