Springer air rifle accuracy issues GAMO VARMINT HUNTER ( Review )
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I really appreciate straight forward reviews from people who know what they're talking about. This is one
I went through like. 500 just sighting in until I realized the pellets I had really were terrible. So I got the heaviest I could find. No more issues.
After thinking about your accuracy problems I began to wonder if perhaps the barrel needs to be cleaned, while this is usually not necessary there are 2 common problems with rifle accuracy in general, one is a dirty barrel and the other is the barrel crown.
Generally speaking the barrel crown is usually well protected by the Gammo silencer system so my first suspect would be a dirty barrel. be careful when cleaning it so as not to damage the rifling Usually a wet patch with a plastic rod followed by a bore snake works pretty well. Hope this helps!.
no pellet guns dont have gun powder
Lead deposit is what he's getting at.
I have owned this gun for a little over a year now and at first i had the same issues. Then i added a Tru-glo dovetail to weaver adapter. It stopped the scope rings from moving. After that i got good accuracy for a while but after about 1000 pellets the scope i was using started having issues so back in the closet it goes
You need one pace scope mount or bullseye scope mount then try to find a good kind of pellets and the good Wight is (10 grean) for this high power air rifle as long you used .177cal
As a suggestion, I shoot H&N Barracuda Match 18.6 grain pellets on my Gammo Whisper which is rated at 1259 fps. I found light pellets do not shoot well in my gun. I get groups at 50' that I can cover with a quarter. Scopes are a problem, only a good Airguns scope will withstand the beating.
Hope these comments help.
I have a Gamo with a 3-9x40 AO Hatsan scope and probably ran around 700 or so rounds through the gun and it has never lost zero. I am using a gamo 1 piece mount and I did torque it down with blue loctite. My groups at 50 yards are right at .75 inch using 7.9 gr CPHP. The gun is a good piece and recoil isn't bad at all. Hell my Ruger Airhawk has atleast 3 times the recoil and it never loses zero either with a cheapie Bushnell 4x32 scope. I find the biggest problem people have with mounting scopes and keeping them in place is the way they mount them. Tightening them to much is just as bad as not tight enough. There are specific torques for the screws for a reason. Tightening them to much stretches the screws which makes them loose holding capacity and also warps the mounts and the scope tube leading into bigger issues and the reason scopes break and lose zero. Also the actual zeroing process if not done right can cause a gun to shoot all over the place. You have to be mindful of how much you have to adjust the scope to bring it in zero and also remember the scope has to "settle" in after adjustments. You can turn the adjustment screws to much and the scope will never hold zero. You can have the erector tube either to loose or to tight on adjustments if adjustments screws are cranked to loose or to tight. A scope only has so much adjustment in it. The closer to the receiver you get an airgun scope the better you are.
I put a Leupold on mine and a gamo scope stop. Even at this expense it's only good for a few shots before the scope is off and the plastic on the scope stop is being crushed. I even tried drimmel on the grooves for the scope mounts, this helped a little. Gamo should come up with a better mounting system.
I gave up on this gun , it lost alot of power and the rifling in the barrel is so cheap that ive concluded its half the problem , you can hardly see the grooves , im gonna get a beenman
a commenter told me about a spring protected scope mount , have you herd of this ?
No I just spend half my time re-setting mine. Every thing I've tried has just been a band aid.
Harrison McCullough set it again then open it up and glue the site tube in place , the site tube is sliding around , check my other video i show whats going on inside the scope
I've got the same gun with pretty much the same issues. When it was new, it shot good for about 200 rounds, until it just wouldn't hold a group anymore. Put different rings and a Leopold scope on it and it was fine for maybe 50 shots, then it just wanted to walk shots all over the target again. I've tried just about every pellet I can get my hands on with the same results unfortunately
I have went 3 hrs today ttying to mount my utg leapers swat tactical scope that I paid 119 bucks for.
I have two Gamos and a benji trail gp and I discovered by using the laser boresight that every time you break that barrel and close it and reinsert the laser you find that the point of the laser has deviated from where you set it before because of the fact that you are opening and closing the barrel and it tends to never go back to the same position, If you can put iron sights on these break barrels, you would have no more troubles
Let me add... it's not the opening and closing, it's that your scope is so damaged whenever you open or close your barrel it moves the internals of your scope.
Try this, set the laser boresight, sight your scope, then remove the laser, shake your rifle or hit the buttstock a bit, then place your laser boresight again, and see how it has deviated.
i know this is 5 years old but its not because you breaking the barrel and closing it again. its because your putting the laser in and out of the barrel.
LEAPERS/UTG can handle any spring gun...I assure you!
+Kyros Nox I have this scope on my springer. its a miracle: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005UGIR36?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
Idk why so many dislikes but i found this very informative , and ironic, and irony is real comedy
Hi there. I am an airgun enthusiast. I myself have a number of springers. I feel your pain with the constant battle of accuracy. I have a Benjamin NP2 XL. Although it is a nitro piston the same applies. This is my findings:
1. Get a scope that is rated for the rifle. Most scopes is not rated for springers. I found that the Nikko Stirling Air Kings work well. UTC scopes are excellent and in t he higher price ranges your Hawke scopes.
2. Do pellet testing. Shoot as many different pellets as you can get your hands on. Crossman, H&N, JSB etc. all make test packs that you can buy for pellet testing.
3. Get a solid mount. This gives more grip on the grooves and allow for more stability on the scope.
4. Perfect the artillery hold. the is a bitch. the slightest discrepancy in hold will influence accuracy.
Hope this make sense
Spider Space thank you!! Very helpfull!!
I fired Crosman and Benjamin. Benjamin Prowler does the same thing and Crosman denies that they are getting any complaints about it.
The best I'm getting at around 20yrds with my Hatsan mod 95 .22 is around nickle to quarter size 5 shots groups(FTT) with the factory scope all I have done is clean the barrel adjustable the half trash trigger an tighten all the screws seems to be alright at 20yrds. But this very Friday it's getting a new scope!! An some heavy 18gn pellets currently H&N FTT
iv got the varmint hunter deluxe....and when I first had it was a right bastard of a thing to shoot, but what I've found is that by cleaning the barrel with a bisley air rifle cleaning kit its made a massive difference...with the rws super domes 8.3 grains I am able to get half inch group's at twenty five yards, and at fifty yards I'm able to hit the centre of my squirrel reset target consistently, but I've got the hawke 3-9x50 ao scope mounted....I clean the barrel regularly as it cokes up a lot I've found and really fucks up the groupings. brass brush first then the soft one, and anything thing out past fifty yards I use bisley magnums, hopefully as the rifle beds in in the future it shouldn't require so much cleaning.
nice , thanks for the info friend
I am having the same problem with a the Black Ops sniper air rifle. I am using the supplied scopes. Should I too change the scopes? I get a good group after three shots then it all goes off group, like you said dinner plate size at 25 meters.
yes or you can site the scope then open the end caps and clean it out with acetone then glue everything in place , when you open it you will see why i told you to do this , there is alot that can go wrong in there but mostly the tube that contains the crosshairs is whats moving on you , it slides back into the scope
Thank you for your advice NOBOX7.
Sergeant Rock good luck friend , hope it works out for you
To save your scope get one of the new Diana spring loaded scope mounts. The spring absorbs the back and forth movement and eliminates shock to the scope.
+PeterDad60 cool thanks for the info
Does this happen over extended time or lots of rounds? I just got a varmint gamo and have been using the scooe it came with and a 6 grain precision domed pellet and if it doesnt drive a nail its only off by 1/16". Every inve in a while it will throw a flyer 1 or 2" off, but I thi k thats a wierd pellet not the gun or scope. I am also confused as you said you used a good 10gr pellet then you showed the 8.3 grain superdomes???
If this is your first springer not surprised you are getting horrible grouping. Springers can be just as accurate as pcps if you know how to shoot them. As far as your scope goes you have to buy a springer rated scope and mounts. I recommend either a utg or centerpoint along with the utg heavy duty one piece mount. All you have to do is go to amazon.com and type in springer scope and you'll find plenty that are springer rated. AS far as pellets go. Every gun has its favorite pellet. Crosman premier domed and hollowpoints are always a good standby for almost any air rifle. As far as using the artillery hold. Ive found that holding firm against your shoulder and light on the front stock provides best accuracy with springers. Breaking the gun in properly, tightening all your stock screws and cleaning the barrel are also must do's to get good accuracy.
very true about the pellet sellectiveness of guns , some pellets are tight , i do not fire tight pellets from my gun knowing this will destroy accuracy
well the scope failed and it claims to be for springers, the cross hair barrel slid into the eye piece , i think from now on im gonna set my scope true then take the lenses of and carefully glue the dam internals in place, i have a video coming up of a scope i chopped in half to show what happens
You have given me the amazing project. I got into builds and everything you mix and match every which way and I think that a couple of short tight springs fitted right may take care of the problem you have. I think that if it wants to move let it as long as it comes back true. I think this is very possible so hardware store is my next stop.
I had a couple of springers, one was a beeman R-1 supermagnum in .177, and a crow magnum in .22. I never had a scope issue with either. The R-1 had a "scope stop" that went behind my rear rws scope mount. It prevented rearward scope movement.
I am not sure about the crow magnum (most powerful spring gun, gas ram). I always use the scope stop if recommended and either beeman or the best, bkl mounts. The big problem with the gamo, besides being cheap, is there is no solid pin scope stop.
I never had any issue with the old rws scope on my R-1 or the Nikon on the crow magnum. I just do not like spring guns anymore, they are fussy. PcP kicks the crap out of them, and .177 is just a joke anymore.....
I have the older gamo varmimt and it works great and i can shoot pencils at 25 to 30 yards i have not tried a greater distance yet though
With the same sight?
I had the same problem (drift, unable to hold zero), and blamed it on the scope. The problem was the break barrel action. They don't close the barrel with 100% accuracy. The more shots you fire, barrel tend to get looser, maybe due to getting hotter. When I rest the barrel on the stand to have it repeatedly close at same level, it shoot quarter sized group at 25 yards most times.
I think the best is PCP or CO2 with barrel tightly fixed to scope mount. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell without disassembling since most barrels are shrouded by plastic.
You should try a Hatsan magnum springer, if you are still willing to shoot them. A heavier gun, which the Gamo magnums aren't, and a SAS (shock absorption system), and a reinforced scope rail, make the Hatsan a fine choice for magnum shooters.Also, it is not a "gas ram" that goes forward, but the piston and spring.
The forward motion is when the piston comes to a sudden stop in the firing cycle, and this is why scopes or mounts move backwards, its much less obvious with a spring as its a more gentle shove compared to a gas rams violent movement. but Theoben who invented the system came up with a solution to the problem, they invented mounts that absorb this sudden shock as the piston reached the end of its travel taking most of the shock that would normally be passed to the scope and destroy them. the mounts allow the scope to move very slightly but always return to zero, and it utilises solid rubber grommets that allow the top part of the rings to move while the solid one piece lower part stayed firmly in place, and they work perfect and always keep zero, no more broken scopes. I have been using them on my Theoben gas rams for more than 30 yrs without so much as one creep on any of them. they are called Dampa mounts though Theoben have gone no but I believe you can still get the mounts If you look around. hope this helps you all out ! atb phil
I own and shoot 2 Hatsans a Torpedo 155 .25 cal. (under lever) and an Edge .177 both are tack drivers. Most issues with accuracy come from loose nuts behind the triggers... not the rifles.
Get a 1-piece scope mount. It will anchor the scope to the rifle by an allen set screw. I was into your situation when I purchase a Gamo .177 bull whisper. I used a 2-piece scope mount and the scope kept on drifting backwards. I replaced it with a 1-piece and the problem was gone. Shooting a springer needs a lot of practice.
Hoping thats what my issue is. I have a gamo, and a norica dragon .25, they both shoot ridiculously well I just can't get them to hold a zero. I'll get a nice tight group dead on center, then two days later the same nice tight group will be three inches high and to the right. Or three inches low and to the left.
Kind of frustrating lol.
I understand your frustration. I just bought a PCP rifle and shoots accurately and smoothly. Now it seems the springer will rest on the rack for a while.
Walther (walt-her, or walter), one would think they'd have a more durable scope. I have a Varmint springer and a Crosman gas rifle. I Varmint I can sight in, the Crosman not so much yet. Great video on a method of scope mounting that I will try. Thanks.
yeah i feel cheated by walther, from now on im gonna site the scope than open it and glue the cross hair tube in place
you need a better scope with scope stop. also super glue the both screws that hold the barrel to the stock. Blue lock tight won't work because this gun has too much double recoil. Also try different pellets. Jsb pellets are the best.
For real, super glue? I was jus going to do the lock tight, but if u say it's a no go, I'll go the crazy glue way then. I want my stuff solid.
do u have access to a chronograph? im interested to see what the fps is with the 10grain pellet. there's chronograph app's for ur phone that might be helpful to u..10grains might still be to light. but thats just my 2 cents
My scope always slides off the back even after I jb welded it on also does yours say varmint hunter I have the same model and it says “bull whisper extreme velocity 1400fps
I've given up on my scope to. before I take it off do you think I could aim without it? maybe put a shotgun bb site on the end of the berral?
I wonder if you add mass to the stock somewhere around center of its balance point, if that would help reduce the scope walking backwards so quick....
bro that is a brilliant idea , would defiantly reduce the massive impulse force on the optics inside the scope, i think my hollow scope just may help, this would also explain why heavy wood stock springers are more accurate
i am so gonna try this, gonna ad as much weight as possible
NOBOX7 yeah makes sense...btw thought i would mention that i used to make pellets with a die and punch and slugs of solder cut from thick silver solder roll.
they were a bit rough compared to store bought pellets and i could only make one at time since the die was made in 2 parts and held in a vice while i punched the solder from the back end of the slug, but it worked.
cool idea , my gun is very picky , so far only 2 kinds of pellets are accurate , the rest produce dinner plate groups , if it isnt a loose fit pellet i know im gonna mis
I was skeptic of mine at first using the standard 4x scope that came with mine. Bought the set on ebay for $50 "fell off truck so sold cheap" I thru a $25 barska cheap scope on it. I only used 1 pellet which is the copper plated 10.some grain and with this set up at about 20 yards 5 of 5 shots hit in a quarter size target, but what I noticed is most of the pellets even touch the hole of the previous pellet "very accurate" making 5 shots look like 2 or 3 due to hitting on the edge of the same hole. I think the heavier you go with pellets the more its stabilized in flight due to loss of velocity which keeps it from toppling in mid flight. No issues with the 25 doller scope yet, even bought one for my crossbow which has a kick that goes forward instead of back like a firearm and it works great on that too, maybe worth checking out
Was that a dome shaped pellet?
Matt Smith yes its domed. It is lead, but coated in copper i believe. O was worried about it damaging my rifling but now ots been several months later and scope, rifle and pellets all the same are still great
get the rws bullseye spring loaded scope mount . I have one on my hatsan 125 sniper springer that kicks like a mule . so far so good with a not airgun rated scope .
thanks for the heads up bro ill check it out
I have found that German and English spring guns shooting no more than 14 ft lbs. are a pleasure to shoot. Air rifles shooting 12-14 ft lbs in .177 do not destroy scopes.
HW, Diana, FWB, and AA are the best springers you can buy.
Yep, it`s a toss up between Weirauch HW`s and AirArms TX200 as to which is the best in the world.
True but Walther has now stepped up to the plate with some decent guns so they should be included.
Ammo Man, your are 100 percent correct regarding Walther's LGV and LGU series of terrific air rifles. I have four and they are superb. Don't know why I forgot to mention the Walther rifles.
Steve M. There is a legal limit in the U.K. of 12ft lbs, unless you want to apply for a firearms licence.. if you tune down the power you will get better results. That is plenty for rabbits and pigeons. All these rifles will work fine for thousands of shots. The shots drifting are either using a poor scope or the shooter. My advice is never buy any scope that costs less than $100.
hey thanks bro im gonna check those out
hey guys there r alot of reasons the scopes wont stay ture the gas ram is one of those reasona as well as the viberations of the springs or pistons and on most break barrels the screws work loose causing sloop in the barrels as well only a few things u can do about this loctite is one of them or teaflon tape or lock washers and screws also most new pellet guns like different pellets as well as having a break i peirod but on the scope u can chose a picateny rail along with JSB pellets or the H&N pellets both preform well but ne ways good luck guys
Never go about 800 fps or 12 ft/lbs muzzle energy in .177 for any spring gun and you won't go wrong. Also avoid gas ram, the recoil destroys scopes, also you can put a smaller spring in. Just my 2 cents.
Look diana 52 54 56 😉
I'm glad you made this video. I'll get a little 500 fps rifle.
This guy is blazed
LOl touche.
I use a GAMO but I only use heavy pellets of 14-22 grains.
I find the accuracy to be spot on ,as I zero the gun before I go rat hunting.
The gun laws here in the UK restrict us to only 12 pound muzzle velocity (licence free) so that's why we don't get as many problems with air guns.
one other thing you can check for is parralex error, put your laser bore sighter in the barrel turn it on...then look through the telescopic sight at the cross hair and see if the cross hair moves if you move your eye slightly in any direction against the laser dot if it dose this is parralex error it usually happens at shorter distances... what's happening is the laser can't move because it's fixed inside the barrel.... the laser is used just as a solid reference point it dose not mater if it's not zeroed to the centre of the cross hair...all your looking for is the error that accrues in the scope.....that's why we will get bad groups with cheap scopes because we can't adjust the error out for different distances....as you can with a good scope, .if by any chance you do decide to get a better scope the solid one peace Mount's are far better....hope this advice helps.
Remove a coil from the spring to reduce the ft/sec and this will reduce the recoil to a sensible level.
The problem is that it's a gamo.
If you want a decent springer start with RWS but I prefer Weihrauch.
I use my Break Barrel rifles with open sights and reserve the scopes for Pneumatic airguns. Scopes on powerful break barrels are nothing but aggravation.
great point , indeed
Can this scope be taken off and can open sights be put on ?
beeman R9 is a good springer to have ,
they have a bar attachment that goes between the scope and the gun that dampen the vibration and the high power gamo springers run best on the PBA Platinum pellets or PBA all the high power air rifles anything above 1200 fps need the rail they are perfect for small game not bigger stuff raccoon or bigger unless your a perfect shot they are very popular and many people showcase them on youtube
I just bought my gamo varmint .177 1250. Which is more like 900fps with lead. 20 joules, 14fpe. I'm not even trying to zero my scope yet because all the excess oil of the new weapon needs to be worn out. 250 to 500 rounds through this weapon. Take 2 hours and fire the shit out of this rifle. Then make sure your scope is zeroed at whatever yardageyou choose. And you will have less accuracy issues. As far as your scope issues, idkwhat to tell you, but I'm sure you can find a fix for the scope that came with the rifle
My Gamo Bone Collector came with the Gamo scope and the gamo scope mounts. The scope moved backwards when I shot it. Finally used blue Loctite and the scope stop screw was also locked with blue Loctite solution to keep it from backing out of the hole. My scope almost fell off the back of the rifle before I figured out it was moving backwards. I finally got the scope to stay in one spot but it still doesn't shoot straight.Then I got the Gamo Whisper Fusion Elite. It came with the Gamo Scope 4x9x40 I think. It has a scope riser and a one piece scope ring that mounted the Gamo scope on the rifle. The scope didn't seem to move when I fired it. It was staying in place well. But I noticed that the Reticle inside the scope had rotated about 10 deg. This is NOT GOOD.I had another Gamo scope at one time that I used on the Bone Collector without success. It was the Gamo Scope that sold with the Red laser light and White Light mounted on the scope. It was a 4x9x40 or 4x9x32 or something similar. Gamo scopes are not holding up in their Inert Gas Technology (IGT) rifles. Maybe the IGT is too powerful for their scopes. I'm sick of trying to get my Gamo Rifles to shoot straight. They are not cheap either. I'm using the heavier lead flat front type Crosman pellets as they shoot better and group better before the scope gets out of whack. The lighter Gamo light weight pellets. Blue tips and Red tips don't shoot as well. The Blue tips are light alloy and don't shoot very precisely. But it may just be the scope insides rattling around or the parallax problems as none of the Gamo scopes that I used have AO adjustable scopes. I'm doing some more research and am trying to find a scope that can hold up to these springer type air rifles. Gamo scopes won't be on my list. They are junk IMHO based on my limited experience with three of these Gamo Scopes on two of the Gamo Air Rifles.
The inside of your scope is also moving , i have a video that shows whats going on inside the scope ,the site tube itself is being smashed torwards the back of the gun , also the spring insdie the scope can pop out of place and move out of its position the spring should be 90 deg from the elevation pin but when i opend my scope it was 180 so the left to right pin had no reinforcement . are you familiar with the artillery hold ?
i have determines that you need to site the scope then take the end cap off and glue the site tube and spring in place , alll this jaz about no no you need this scope or you need that scope is all bullshit , they all fail these guns put way to much forward kick to survive a scope from now on i will be gluing my inner site tube , and will manually adjust ellevation when needed
Are they not filled with some sort of inert gas. And if you take it apart to glue it will the gas not leak out and get water or moisture (water vapor) inside the glass. Then the scope will fog up when you go from warm to cold temp
But you are right these IGT air guns kick the heck out of the scope's internals.
Glenn there are no seals in theses cheep scopes so i dont think thats the case
no, you dont know what you.are talking about,if you get a expensive $100 scope it will not fail. only these ceap scopes fail, i had this issue on a springer with a cheap scope and when i got a much better scope it was perfect
I don't no if you reply to your comments or not but you need to look in to pcp air guns you could get a benjamin discovery for a good starter
Buy a sports match one piece mount that should stop the scope creap that's if you can get them in the states
Air rifles are, and always have been, extremely hard on scopes. I had a gunsmith once describe it to me this way - "Imagine going from 0 to 600 mph in a split second, reversing direction on a dime, going 500 mph the other way, then slamming to a stop against a barricade." When explained that way it's understandable. It wasn't until the handgun hunters started putting scopes on big revolvers and destroying quality scopes in short order that the scope companies started making scopes that would work on big revolvers. These were the scopes that were first successfully used on air rifles.
A scope needs to be rated for handguns or air rifles to have any chance of survival.
As you point out, even that doesn't always work. They make a mount, now, that has some "give" in the mount itself. I'd try that, in addition to the heavier pellets already suggested. Also, try dusting the inside of the scope rings with ball player rosin before tightening them up. And you are quite right, 90% to 95% of accuracy problems can be traced back to the scope. If problems arise, look at the scope FIRST.
yes i agree, not sure i pointed it out in this video but your site tube spring also go for a ride . i truly think a guy should site the scope after 7 shots or so less if possible and then glue the insides in place and just use it iron site style for the most part but with a scope , who adjust windege on a pellet gun any way ? or elevation , i think gluing it is a good option and im gonna try it , ill post a video .
I have a Gamo Silent Cat...complete pile of shit scoped or not scoped. How does your group move 3" with an iron sight? Lol. 1 vote against Gamo.
I have 2 Gamo rifles I like but the scope that came with it was crap. Also use good pellets (not Crossman) like RWS. It also takes 500 rounds to break in. You need to buy scopes specifically made for air rifles.
In looking at your shot patterns I begin to suspect you are holding the Gammo springer the same way you hold a center fire rifle. If in fact that is true I would suggest you utilize the artillery hold and allow the airgun to recoil on its own, this may also reduce the forces placed upon your scope. I fire a 1250 FPS Gammo regularly and produce groups of 10 at 35' that I can cover with my fingernail. The other secret I found was the higher the power the air rifle the heavier the pellet needed to be to remain accurate, on mine I consistently shoot H&N Barracuda Match at 14+ grain. Having worked with numerous fellow air gunners at our indoor range we have found every gun to be different in which pellet it prefers even with guns of the same make and caliber. Yes Springers are hard on scopes and require a quality scope designed for spring powered air rifles, you have already discovered what happens to cheap scopes! Good luck and good shooting!
+Phillip Owens i use the artillery hold to the best of my ability
+Phillip Owens thanks for the pellet info i like the heavy pellets
Have you considered changing the spring for one that is less fierce. The severe forces on the scope are a symptom of the problem not the problem itself. Yes you will loose muzzle energy, but if it produces a rifle that is accurate and fun to shoot then that is a worthwhile trade off. Changing the spring is not a complicated job, though you will have to be careful of spring preload when you take it apart. You do not necessarily need a Gamo spring, its just the diameter that needs to be matched, the length can be adjusted (cut) to suit. Judging from the video the distances you are shooting at do not need extreme muzzle energy. I would say that an English up to 12FT/lb (non FAC-fire arms certificate) rifle would be fine at that distance as an example. I would say that the cost of a spring even if you had a gunshop fit it would be less than the cost of a destroyed scope.
In regard to the use of this for vermin control, I would please ask if you would be comfortable risking wounding but not killing the animal because you were using an inaccurate rifle.
I believe an accurate air rifle of moderate power would be more appropriate.
I have had issues with light air rifles and strong springs making scope retention a problem, changing or cutting down the spring always helps.
I am in England and do not have a FAC but I can shoot out to 60 yards with acceptable accuracy and very good accuracy at 40 yards on rifles of between 10 and 12 FT/lb muzzle energy. Even my German 10 metre 6Ft/lb target rifles will go out to 30 yards accurately, though I would never ever use them for pest control due to lack of impact (killing) power.
+WILF Welford great comment , soon i will sight in a scope and then glue the inside in place , that is the video topic . also i will be adding some weight to the butt of the rifle as suggested by m3cal
You gotta break in the weapon BY FIRING ABOUT 500 SHOTS. Give or take 100. Then dial it in and see how that affects your accuracy
You are using wrong pellets: try RWS's .177 power bolt 14.2 grain. Using pellet light than 10 grains with such a powerful gun results in poor accuracy (and a loud noise, too) - pellets tumble, stray, and end up hitting sideways after 10 yards or so. As for the scopes, yes, you're right - ANY high power brake barrel (20+ fpe) is also a scope breaker. I found it a hard way - my caliber .25 Ekol Ultimate destroyed two red dot holographic sights and a 3-9-40 scope before I realized what is the problem. When I reverted to the default fiber optics open sights, after 150 shots even those fiber optic hairs got destroyed. Now I'm using these open sights WITHOUT fiber-shit and guess what: the gun is accurate up to 20 - 25 yards (which is enough for what I do with it - pest control and plinking).
My gamo swarm magnum 177 , is deadly 4 squirrels in 4 shots
Whisper pro sucks too. Getting pissed very time I shoot. I 0 it in and only get about 5 good shoot. The 1300 fps solid me too.
+Nicholas Myers yeah , hey look up artillery hold it does help out allot , the huge impact from the piston is nocking us off center
+NOBOX7 thanks man. I went to gander mountain to and wasted hr. Great video too bro.
+Proud Bosniak How many shots does your gun have through the barrel? Hatsan rifles can take several hundred shots, at least, to settle down, before a scope can be mounted without undo stress on the optics. I would suggest shooting it upwards of six hundred shots, without a scope, then, put the scope back on it. You could also do a piston seal replacement, and spring clean up, if you are so inclined to go into the gun to do so.
or just use dampa mounts and save yourself all he experimenting.
Gamo markets to novice airgunners.They sapped me,too with Big Cat 1400.Junk!! I took an impulse squander knowing nothing about air guns.Well,let's just say that this junk educated me in a hurry as to what i didn't want.I switched to PCP rifles,and although not cheap,have made me a happy man.
Try the Hawke Vantage scope. Its much better than the BSA scopes.
It depends on the BSA scope, some scopes from BSA are very good but pricey with no lifetime warranty. However, Hawke has some expensive scopes like the Sidewinder, but offers low priced scopes for under 100 dollars with lifetime warranty. The lifetime warranty is what helps in investing on a scope because if something were to go wrong the scope can be sent back to Hawke and the'll either fix the problem or send you a new one.
Nikko Stirling Airmax scopes retain zero on this airgun.
Start off at 10 yards that worked with mine because at 15 they were flying everywhere
I shoot my Hatsan 125 .25 cal with a nikko stirling airking 3-9x42 AO scope with one piece mount and it doesn' slide anywhere because its screwed thru the mount onto the rail. lts a 30 fpe springer with a serious recoil..but it has the shock absorber system! And iron sights with optic fibers. l think that the 125 is way better, a complete product and its much cheaper and more usable. I' m very happy with it. In my opinion.. for a scoped magnum hunting airrifle l found a perfect combination. one more thing about pellets..i got a tin of gamo promagnums, great pellets but they had a very loose fit so l tapped their skirts with a little bb and l get the same accuracy but higher power and penetration. The difference was huge! Anyway, great review..good luck with the gamo!
Smart with the bb expanding the pellet. I would have never thought of that to get a better seat.
Okay, couple things. To suggest that there is not a scope that can withstand the recoil of a 40lb. "springer" , particularly that one, is quite ridiculous. That rifle does not, cannot, produce the felt recoil of a medium caliber center fire rifle, yet there are optics that run for years on them. I would say you need to pony up and buy some decent glass. In regards to groups, you are shooting a .177 caliber pellet along the lines of 10 grains, out of a rifle that holds the projectile in place with a rubber o ring. It will never shoot MOA, much less sub moa or be anything near a one hole gun. I would also suggest that you are partially to blame for the accuracy issues. Anticipation of recoil effects accuracy because you are possibly "pushing" against the rifle while pressing the trigger. This will cause the point of impact to move because the muzzle is moving prior to or as the projectile is exiting the barrel. I am speaking of lock time here. You also need to be very steady on the trigger, control your breathing, practice good follow through, and let the rifle surprise you when it goes off... meaning DO NOT anticipate it and push against the rifle. I will tell you that my son and I have identical Gamo G2 Whispers in .22 that we use for squirrel/varmint hunting. We are running all stock optics and mounts and are not having any issues, and they are shooting 1-1.5" groups at 40 yards with a fixed 4x optic. I can't ask for any better. Now if I were shooting one of my .308s, I'd expect one hole at 100 yds. Also, I have never heard the term kinetic linkage being used outside of golf, baseball/softball or tennis. It usually applies to a person creating "lag" in their swing in order to deliver more speed through the impact zone... so, lost me there. Last thing I will say is that practice does not make perfect, perfection only comes with perfect practice. Good luck with the setup. OH... you could try having a rail silver soldered to the receiver and then run a picatinny mount. I've got a 9mm race pistol that has NO ISSUES with a Sightmark on it. The 9mm Luger produces 35,000 to 40,000 psi chamber pressures depending on the load... again, that spring piston can't do that... I run a red dot on my turkey gun too... the 3.5" Magnum Turkey load is an angry round... no issues with a picatinny setup.
+J Broadway thanks for the info friend
Proud Bosniak site your scope in, then take the lenses off and glue the site tube and links in place and it will stay zeroed , soon i will place a video
+J Broadway you are so full of shit bro ,
+J Broadway bro sorry for being a jerk but you no nothing about springer air riffles and your comments prove that, read up on the subject and get back to me .
Proud Bosniak they twist write off homie , i will do a vid as soon as i can
well I'll be darned, I think the scope mount thing is whats wrong with my gun
Use a Leapers Accushot scope (30mm ALWAYS) an a one piece high mount.
i thought that if the pellet fit is reasonably tight you get tight grps.
cut abt 3 coils of the spring and suqare it, you will be surprised, do let us know.try rws superfield or HN FTT after the mod.
How much
We all coud learn from englishmans in the UK. They are using sub 12 ftlbs air rifles and they are accurate up to 50 yards and can put pellet at pigeons head at that range. Not sure if sub 12 ftlbs can kill raccoon, but i t will mess its day.
Not just one, but bunch of them.
We're not allowed over 12ftlbs without a license and it's a real pain to get the license ($400,medical,police check,references) , above 12ftlb is considered a firearm in the UK.we can't even mail order silencers in the UK, there's no lessons to learn from us lol
this that a spring piston,or a gas ram? if its a spring piston gun u can do what they call a "soft tune". its cutting a coil or two off of the spring
yes but in my case it defeats the purpose , im using 10 grain pellets for more power and lower velocity
I have a 1250 fps varmint hunter in .177 and I've had no problems with the scope or accuracy, I can hit pigeons at 30-50 yards and its great
VORTEX scope man, vortex. im having the samne problem with my Varmint HP. cant hit a dinner plate very good
And i chronographed it at 1050 fps average with 8 grain pellets and 1230 fps with alloy pellets at 5.5 grains
get a rail to put on the stock rail to hold the scope still
My swarm magnum has a recoil deal built in .From what i heard get a 30 mm tube scope but my magnum came with its 3-9x40 and its dead accurate and im only 400 pellets in but shot pellet in pellet hole mines been great and mines a heaver air springer . now my venturi avenger. Is pcp and went through the same thing but i found that i needed to shim the rail to rings. If the scope don't sit perfect it bends the scope. So their is a method and both my rifles set perfect and are dead accurate. 1 i have a gamo swarm magnum with a 3-9x40 cheap scope . Two a i have a venturi avenger .with a hawke 3-9 x 50 scope. Some shimming but at. 40 yards mostly one hole Shot. You have a shim problem. Sounds like your bending the scope. Both my scopes have 1" tubes stronger scopes are 30mm. Better ? Yes stronger.
People don't understand the difference between pellet rifles and regular firearms. There's a breaking point of a couple hundred shots. Only THEN should you zero your scope at a specific yardage. You also need to use what's called an artillery hold. Which is the opposite of how you fire a normal rifle. Your sight is nor the problem.... the user knowledge is the problem.
Loose fitting pellets cost you the seal required to fire properly
bkl ONE peice mount is the only mount that will hold and my two center point scope have held up to my 2 air guns that are more powerfull than yours for years now
Mines a tack driver I have exactly the same gun
I shot maybe 100 shots before the horribly designed scope "stop hole" stripped out leaving the scope useless. Will never waste money on gamo again!
I have same gun mounted a cv life rifle scope on mine with original mounts and red lock tite. just today sighted it in and it's deadon. Main thing is clean ur gun before u sight it in they have tons of oil in the barrel ur groups will stay tight and I've seen tons of people with issue's. I've mounted scopes my whole life on pellet guns 22's deer rifles guess I'm doing something rite shot 400 piranhas today and thing groups like a champ best springer I've owned. Don't listen to everyone it's who puts ur scope on i guess.
It wont last , every shot will slowly destroy the scope
My gamo shot lights out I was shooting squirrels out to my mountain feist after a month it's now not shooting worth a shit by the time you buy new scopes and so on may as well by a new better gun my gun shoots left as well
Use the Wingin wad cutters from airguns of Arizona or Pyramid air
you do know break barrels are not accurate ? how could something that smoothly swings open an closed ever have the fine tollerences needed for pin point accuracy LOL . STOP BUYING GAYMO . GET A HW97K OR AIR ARMS TX200 .
great point , i will check one out
+NOBOX7 you will be like holy shit after only 5 shots,,i had several break barrels in 20years both .177, .22 decent ones like fwb hw bsa with sights costing more then the rifles their attached to but the accuracy is just not there . get a hw97k in .177 most sold calibre in uk , usually 750fps (515 ish mph) from a 97k with 8.6gr .
I never thought about that. I guess a breach is much better. Duh but the cost is allot more. I guess that's why my cheap ass Daisy 880 is a tac driver. Crazy consistent
@@TheCraigy83 that's funny your right my scopes r more than some of my rifles but i started with some super cheap stuff. I'm talking 20 dollar flea market finds. Some cheap Chinese made .22 that's actually really accurate it's a b1. That's all the info i got on it.
@@dmo848 my hw97k was £395 + hawke 6 - 24 x 50 was £420 lol
With my set up a complete beginner has hit AA batteries at 60yrds , hitting things like shotgun gun cases at 80yrds is pretty easy..
ive had a bunch of cheap rifles in my teens , me & my buddies would constantly buy used cheapo rifles from a local 2nd hand shop.
i had a fixed barrel Sharpe Ace multi pump i regret selling , it didn't have a limit on pump strokes , you could pump it about 30 times till the pivot bolt started to smell hot lol , maybe +40ftlb...it was around 12ftlb after 5 pumps...very well made & accurate for a multi pump..
try to weld some iron sights directly into the chamber...
i did try that but for some reason it fires high left no matter what . im gonna ad a new scope zero it in and epoxy the insides in place
+Vitor Dias actually brother its the parts inside the scope that move
With regard to air rifles and pellets it is a case that you do have to kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince.
I have a Weihrauch HW80 .177 at 12 ft/lbs and I have found that for longer ranges it likes the bullet type ammo (Defiant HFT) and for short to medium ranges I was surprised that my best results were with the H&N Hollow Point which I would describe as a semi wadcutter (and my rifle gives me better results than with true wadcutters over short ranges - 10-15 yards). I mean you really could not get any more different type of ammo than that.
The rifle is however pretty forgiving with other types of ammo, it's just that I found that these two gave me the best and most consistent results for both accuracy and precision over different distances.
I would strenuously disagree with your assertion that one should choose a loose fitting pellet for the rifle. Especially in a rifle like the one you are using this will result in excessive piston slam exacerbating the problems you have with your scope. Ideally you want your piston to reach a stop on a cushion of air BEFORE it reaches the end of the cylinder. This will dramatically reduce the recoil of the weapon and dramatically increase the longevity of the piston seal.
The 1400 fps is marketing bullshit. You can only even approach that with alloy pellets and those pellets are inherently totally inaccurate and imprecise. If you bought the rifle purely because of the "1400 fps" then you are a fool. There is no point in having a rifle which would be better at killing varmints if you are never able to hit the bloody thing in the first place - to kill you have to actually hit the damn target.
For your rifle, to get the best results for both accuracy and precision you should choose a pellet which exits your muzzle at 850 to 890 fps.
Your accuracy and precision problems are most likely the result of the pellet exiting the muzzle in the high transonic range and in this region very strange things happen to a pellet as it rapidly decelerates to the subsonic region.
Spot on
Spend the money on a quality scope - it’s like night and day
Addicted to Affrin nose spray I see!!
What? Not a shooter? The more you shoot it the more consistent it will become. The same way you get to Carney Hall......Practice man, practice.
+ezrider4348 this gun is a peice of crap if you shoot it all the time it will destroy itself , it already broke its own light and 2 scopes and 2 dam lasers and 3 red dot sights , so no this gun is not a plinker its made to kill once a year maybe , total piece of crap
If you remove the stock and lock the action in a vice , will it shoot a tight group ?
Dan Post spring piston airguns are not to be put in a vise.
Me and the last response is true... Leapers utg scopes will handle spring rifles
Most likely the scope is the big problem, if it's a gamo scope it's a paperweight, they're shit. My friend has one, down the range he zero'd it in and about 5 shots later it was shooting 3 inches higher and he's a very good shot. Better off buying the cheapest scope off eBay than the shit those guns come with.
I have a similar Gamo rifle and I cant get the POS to hold zero at 25 feet never mind 25 yards. It has destroyed three scopes. I've finally put a $75 Tasco Air rated scope but it still shoots 3 inch groups @ 25 feet. It has no iron sights so the gun is pretty much trash
I love my Whisper Elite. Maybe Gamo watched this and listened to you because I shoot every day and after rescoping it, and learning to shoot it, tack driver. One vote Gamo!
you probably need a better, stronger scope like a deer rifle scope. Perhaps a scope that's ment for 12 gauge shooting slugs
Melvin,you know nothing about double recoil of spring airguns.your comment proves that.
12 gauge for shooting slugs? Kinda over kill don't you think. Nothing left to hang on the wall.
You need a one piece mount
Get a new scope! spend about 100$ for a decent scope hawk, leapers, even a 70$ pursuit air scope from bass pro AND a good 1 piece scope mount. That scope/ mount set up isn't so great.. if you wanna pull less ( like pulling left, up ect..) get a GRT4g trigger its totally worth it with that hold sensitive of a gun.. I know the SAT trigger is ok but I got a GRT4g and it is by FAR better.
thanks man. I was thinking of this but because of reviews/research.....I got a nitro venom dusk (first springer/gas) and I can't really stand it . Heavy/heavy cocking, and can't get it accurate. I read about the movement/hold loose, multiple pellets (have 4 different quality pellets). I think I'm going back to a Pump. I don't want to go to PCP yet or ever. Hmm.
PCP cost way to much and the pumps burn out after hours of use some times . have you researched the artillery hold ? also loose pellets are the most accurate in my experience . also these guns will always shoot high left . im looking at a beenmen at scheels , its a great model for cheap but the air arms is something you should look at
its spring or gas ram not both
you need a PCP
The 1400 fps claim on that rifle is exaggerated. Even the lightest pellets won't be that fast. Average lead pellets are going to shoot in the ballpark of 1,000-1,050 fps in that model. A good Leapers/UTG scope mounted up with blue loctite on the screws, snugged down tight, will stay put in it.
+Bryan Heimann no it wont not on this gun , this gun destroys every thing, the insides will have to be glued
+NOBOX7 There are spring guns with a lot more power and recoil that do just fine with a properly mounted scope. Including your particular rifle, which does not have a gas ram. Check out www.gatewaytoairguns.org and take a look at what others are doing with these rifles. This walther scope is not the greatest, you can do better for the money. BSA is not that great on a powerful springer either. UTG/Leapers scopes are always a good bet on a springer. Not fail safe but they do better than just about anything else at the price point. You also need better rings and some good loctite on the screws. The screws loosen from vibration, allowing it to slide. The glue never holds on scopes on a springer, the only thing keeping yours in place is the bell and where it buts against the middle.
Better scope, better rings, blue loctite #242 on the screws, cinch em down good and leave it alone for at least 24 hrs to set. It will work if you do it right. i've done it with springers a lot more powerful.
Bryan Heimann dude your not telling me any thing the video doesn't discus how the hell can locktight stop the inside of your scope from breaking or statying true on a gun that has this much recoil , and fyi you need red lock tight on this gun , i have another vid on this subject and have tried several scopes and in the end they all break the dam sight tube travels down the back of the scope
+NOBOX7 Blue #242 is fine. The rings hold the scope, the screws hold the rings, the loctite holds the screws. Simple as that. Springers break scopes, that is a fact. but the right scope will last a long time. Don't take it personally, you are doing it wrong. Check out www.gatewaytoairguns.org
Bryan Heimann fyi this gun shoots way over 1050 ft per second , the sonic boom it makes proves this and requires 1125 ft/sec at least to happen so go fuck yourself kid