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- The fourth technological revolution has begun. No domain remains untouched.
How should we view technological competition with our adversaries from the unfree world, especially China?
Are the battles over 5G and artificial intelligence purely technological, or do they imply choices between competitive ideologies in a changing world order?
Can we distinguish between technologies that bring risk and those that do not as a basis for deciding on whether to cooperate with China?
Can the US and the EU find common approaches to this challenge?
What do China’s immediate neighbours think?
How does China itself define security and how does China’s leadership implement this definition?
Can we separate technology and geopolitics?
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If you're worried about dependence on external countries for anything, then the problem isn't do it yourself.
The problem is that we spend TRILLIONS on weapons, and not a dime on figuring out how we can work together while ensuring respect & safety for all.
This is the world Europeans have created a world of adversaries in which there are only winners & losers.
This is not a human world. Humans historically win when other humans win, we wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case!
Yeah, but that always gonna happen. If you are armless, everything else is irrelevant, you will be used and stomped upon. That's how people operate, let alone countries.
@@xoxaunconcious3374 Hasn't always been that way, but if the most powerful countries decided to work together and enforce rules, we would have a better world.
But we both know under the world we have it isn't going to happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't, or that those that know a better way should stay silent.
@@fallonmassey4714 When it wasn't that way? I never said they should stay silent. I am just stating particular populism you said regarding weapons' spending. That spending will never disappear because as Russia and NK proved, if any country wants to do any kind of geo-political moves(good or bad) and exist on the map - you at least need nukes otherwise you turn into Libya. But to myself, these discussion groups although entertaining are largely utopian. China had long term strategy, no else had anything in agenda but short-term greed leading to uncontrolled consumerism leading to mass production, China simply exploited(and exploits) our animal desires and it won. I think cultural collapse is at the core of the reasons why, it couldnt be a better time for a new Messiah to come and lead the way, as long as people have faith - in anything they will try to unite. As of now,
people are lost as they have too many desires desiring too much and wrong idols promoting the very same desires.
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
@@xoxaunconcious3374 Humans early on shared ANY new advancement with other humans for tens of thousands of years!
That's a natural instinct of humans, and in my field of work, we call it Open Source today. We've lost that, and we need to get it back, but that will only happen if we're united as one human race.
I won't hold my breath 😂
No one species should follow and change itself for other. Nature don't work that way. Be yourself and contribute in your own way. Show your ability, and allow other to show their. Jealousy bring you nowhere.
Jealousy, angst, sense of entitlement, exceptionalism and superiority runs deep in the pysche of the Anglo-Saxon race.
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
Jealousy, arrogant and ignorant is good for China rises. Thanks 🙏
There's no need to use a "stick." China is forming benign alliances with many nations around the world...through BRI, through BRICS, through RCEP, through SCO, and so on. China is working to *unite* the world, while Western countries like USA and UK are working to *divide* it.
TIAWAN DOSE NOT BELONG TO DHINA ..CHINA BELONGS TO TIAWAN...
Ask bankrupted states and rogue nations for their support
@@markjapan4062 Japan belongs to USA
@@markjapan4062 You and your stupid comments
China is literally supporting Russia to fight Ukraine.
There is no difference.
This presentation reveal in the insecurity and less confident to compete with advancing China. Spending all the time in critical of advancing country does not help your self advancement. China's achievement are result of competent leadership that drive the ingredients necessary that support continuous advancement.
More than competent leadership ,I think it is predatory leadership. Gandhiji used to say that means and goal both should have to be humane and good . Alas Chinese means through advancement is though good but it's ambitions and goal is predatory and inhumane . Problem lies there. And this is problem is inborn with communist ideology . They experimented this predatory ideology firstly on their own public e.g.. they banned all religion because maotsetung thought that religion is an opium. Just one man thought fed upon the likes of its own people first and later their successors are wishing to predate over the whole world.
@@vikashkumar-je4ql Perhaps you need to be updated, in China there are 39,135 mosques , same go for churches and temples. Western survey institute rank China has high score in democratic ruclips.net/video/Bga5Xmv5s1A/видео.html
Name me one country China had colonized or invaded for their occupation.?
@@ivanho7268 brother u r too young to understand what I wrote . God bless you
@@vikashkumar-je4ql Chinese life expectancy is 79, while indians 69. It speaks louder than your all bullsxxting that India's so-called democracy is better than China's so-called authoritarianism.
@@vikashkumar-je4ql Only inmature people will embrace anti China propaganda and refuse to face or see the realities. GOD had given mankind knowledge, it is up to mankind to make wise choices.
The strength of any country is its populace. As long as CCP serves its people, it doesn't matter whether it is a communist model or democratic model, it will succeed. But in the end no model or system is perfect. I think the rivals to China have to understand the levers within their system of functioning to balance their power
If you are from India, I wish you were in charge of the education system there. Brilliant observation that I seldom find in the comments of these shows.
China's model alleviate 800 million population out of poverty.
democracy with socialism.
Facts bruh ...as long as CCP is serving it's people....no external power can replace them.....CCP actually have more people support than any govt have on the planet.
It's a fact but people just don't wanna admit it.
democracy iterally means by the people for the people, thus any form of government for as long as serve its people is democratic
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
Jack Ma's Ant Finance Group engulfed the ordinary chinese with very,very serious loan problems that will impact China's banks (the loans were packaged such that the risks are mainly borne by the banks,not
Ant Finance).The leverage was terrible .That's why the Ant Finance had to be reined in.Not those
smearing here
Hmm, I wonder what the American banks did to the American citizens and the world's financial crisis in 2008?
u are a joke
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
Jack Ma's case and HK has frightened Taiwan
@@irwan3064 There are Rules for companies. Any countries there are restrictions to certain industries, for example financial , military and biological technology. This is NOTHING NEW.
There is NO countries that allows any foreign interference in their affairs.
for example US take very serious view of any country interfere in their election and any of their affairs. US may and will wage WAR. Just look at Julian Assange, Australia (US lapdaog) give away its citizen.
HK unrest is supported and FINANCE by US NED. which is totally unacceptable
Dont LET the PROPAGANDA of demonize CHINA. Where it is a Common Practice in every country. Dont be NAVIE.
European n British is so innocent wonder which country committed genocide in Africa America Asia pacific island n Australia
Not to mention that the UK conquered and colonised India then stole North America, Australia, New Zealand plus many beautiful islands called colonies for hundreds of years.
The US sees the whole world as an enemy. Germany has close manufacturing and commercial links with China, which frightens the US. Canada and the US acted to stop Germany receiving Gas from Nordstream I - they want to collapse the German Economy. In fact they want to collapse the Economies of their “allies” in Europe. China’s sin was to be economically successful.
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**Yep. To Seeing Is To Believing...!?!**
@@youtubeaccount1134 qe3aaaaaaaa
You like it or not. China is going to lead the world. Big love to China. ✌️❤️
You are certainly an exception here. Thank you.
Look at this cheng guy. He looks more chinese than a chinese and shoots at china. Wtf???
And this samir is just bs. It’s typical projectionism.
What discussion is that when there is no voice from the chinese side?
NOT CHINA IS FALLING . 30 STEEL COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINESS IN 2 YEARS AND MORE ARE FILING BANKRUPCY AND WILL CLOSE..
Yes by Cheating others like what they did in India and now Bangladesh also in Russia, USA
China destroyed the west colonies system，they are angry
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Final point: Amazing that you can have a debate with people all on one side of an issue.
Having said that, the young lady in tech is the best because she does admit that the US is just hating China because China is better.
Europe needs to chart their own course. The guy from India is so biased it's ridiculous, LOL!
The panel talks about China without a voice from China. A big problem!
China IS the problem !!!!
That was the proof that they were talking crap.
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
Invited CGTN spokeswoman to the show just to be fair.
Yes, China gives voice to everybody.
Say whatever you like. Salute to president Xi. He has done a extremely good job in taking care of the interest of it citizen. Non on this planet came close to president Xi achievement!
XI don't hesitate to run tanks on the citizens. He is especially harsh on the Muslims. The concentration camps remind us of Hitler. Technology is used as a tool to monitor the private spaces of the citizens.
Pure nonsense. The damage Xi has done to China will be evident in time to come. However compared to the leaders of Pakistan from Ali Jinnah to lmran Khan, yes Xi is much better than all of them.
This the difference between china and usa.
Why does it sound like it's China's fault when other countries are lagging behind?
China is registering more international patents than America, and China produces 2 X STEM graduates than America does. The quality of these graduates can be judged by just visiting any top STEM university in America to find that they are academically beating their classmates hands down.
They also have 4.5 times the population
@@rameshpudhucode6862: We also have a large population but are still at the bottom of the heap.
@@pardeeptandon Indian students are also as academically superior as the Chinese. That's nothing to be proud of tho, for both India and China
@@pardeeptandon Indian has a societal problem to resolve. Indeed it is much more challenging than all other issues!
@@pahatpahat9566: You are right, Hindu society had given the responsiability of educating and instigating moral values to the Brahmins/ Pandits/ prohits. These comunities have led the hindu socity down. Their control on Hindu religion needs a reform.
Observation of the panels:
Samir:- Was too fired up with the emotions and hate against China, thus he failed to make a sensible contribution to the overall discussion and how to counter China realistically and not just wishful thoughts and expectations. His begging for partnership and collaboration with Europe to sideline China completely might work well for India's rhetoric, but Europe have a different idea of China as a challenge. They are not as emotionally as invested as Indians do to the challenge of China, and understandably so. Just like here we say - "National Interest First", Europe have their own interest and priority when it comes to China.
Dean Cheng:- A typical USA propagandist who will blame everyone else (particularly China) except themselves. America is like that Husband who sleep with your wife/others wife, violates all the human rights and international laws that was written, would lectures you on moral values etc. -- but he doesn't want you to do any of that, not even a bit. If you do, even if it's just little, he'll announce to the world that you are the most evil creature on earth and should be destroyed. 😆
The other two panels from Europe - are just playing it safe. We can clearly see, they know China is a challenge, a strategic competitors but they also don't want to blindly follow the US anymore. It has hurt them more than many times, including the current inflation :-). So they are looking for their own path in the broader scheme of theme.
Note: I love how the so called EXPERTS are sometime so unintelligent and defective LOL. The USA guy at the end said - CCP is happy because it's populations is getting older!!! Like WTF!! 😆. If that's the case, then why is the same CCP promoting for more children nowadays after dismantling the 'one-child policy'?? They even went to the extent of cracking down many expensive private education system in China (at the cost of their own economy and reputation) to make education more affordable to parents, so that it will encourage them to have more children.
HAHAHA Sometimes these experts think we viewers are all fools LOL.
kolviz D
Thanks for deconstructing the whole of this Indo-Pac group's attempt to impress with their opinions and paranoia. At best, they're holding a mirror for the audience to review - their attacks disguised as debate on unrepresented China with their memorised X-Tables for normalising the US propaganda with the usual slew o f accusations and paranoias.... to contain the rise China.
Badly done!
Not up to world class standard and can never be, lacking morality and calibre altogether.
I agree… the points got kinda lost when things got emotional or condescending… would have been better if they just got factual and not all the other words around it. Felt like the messages had so much word clouds around it and substance was minimal. Like what’s the solution, alternative and convincing strategies. All I heal is China is a menace we had to fight it. Ok we get this but how and realistically is it truly possible atm. Wouldn’t cooperating be an option? If it’s naive then how to go around it? Just feel like the arguments were so closed off.
Like I though we were talking about technology but the India borders come up and chinas infrastructure is a problem? And us as an ally? Like I get it but really for this talk? What’s the relevant? I would have been more interested as to why India decided to ban Chinese apps etc.
I agree with all the 3 views here 100%. Europe will be badly hurt if they push US agenda instead of their own interest. As for Indians, I wonder how are they going to arrive at rational conclusions within India if they keep on being emotional in any discussion about China. Maybe the trauma of the 1962 defeat has never heal and the recent Galwan debacle ignite these irrational emotions. I see this across the board in India from the people on the streets to academicians and of course politicians and youtube commenters. The potential of India will be greatly diminished if this is their MO in the future.
@@bbharatillusion4574 I do agree that the Indians are emotional but I think it has also ignited a fire in Indians regarding China. But I mean they have to understand that not all countries are and think like them. I mean even the anti China countries like USA, Japan , Korea still cooperate with China regarding trade etc. So I’m not sure if this super anti view will be helpful for them.
Thank you for expressing your analysis and summary it shows me this panel does not have knowledge to make things work. I am an American who has gained the utmost respect for Xi and the Communist party leadership. They actual practice democracy better than any country in the world.
Why do you say that? As far as I know, you can complain or make suggestions about their policies but not about the government. The intention is to improve the situation to please the public and also to keep the Mayor or Governor on their toe to be more efficient. If any of the complaints are not resolved and reached the CCP Politburo the Mayor or Governor will be in deep shit. If you complain against the Government you will be in jail.
Trying to teach your mother how to manage the family.
@@nicb.1213 " If you complain against the Government you will be in jail". STOP listening to the perverted serial lies about China coming from US-led mainstream media. This panel of no-nothings is fully indoctrinated to the hate China narrative that's concocted by the US deepshyt state.
Western countries and their allies are creating fear of the PEACEFUL rise of China. UNLIKE the bloodshed that's occurred and STILL incurring under US-western hegemony.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, "China did not enter our territory, no posts were taken". The border skirmish occurred after Trump visited India encouraging the Indian side to provoke trouble on the Ladakh border for propaganda purposes.
This is a worthless shytshow
European, in particular UK is so jealous of China
NO THEY ARE NOT ..LOL
The moderator lady should direct the question of Funding of Insurgent and Terrorist should be directed to the USA.
Saran was simply superb in his analysis of China!
Dean Cheng Asia studies heritage Foundation studies Chinese military. He should study America first policy too which gives a raw deal to Europe Latin American India Australia. Europe and other countries are weak because they are making the juggernauts and behemoth of USA tech more stronger. Why are they putting blame on China raising alarms when China had a right policy to block these networks and companies . If they don't want suffer they should follow China model immediately and develop their own companies. It's started in India instead of Twitter there is koo . Amazon style jio etc
America doesn't like competition. If they cannot be first, they'd rather nobody participate in the race.
He is a Banana
That Banana does not have the "Ability to Think Independently". That European lady ,also
that European gentleman are far better
You might be partially correct..but the point is the US and Democratic societies are open for change...two wrongs do not make one right! Ultimately ...Totalitarianism fails miserably!
Talking rubbish
In the last 2 years India’s trade with China has increased. Today India trades more with China than it does with Europe.
I won't get an american made iPhone in India
I will get only a chinese made one ..
Laptops , Tvs and ACs even if i buy American brand Its written "Made in china".
Before chinese mobiles where considered inferior and we used to buy made in finland Nokia ..
Chinese companies are making better products than the west . How can India exclude itself just for political things .
Still we managed to ban chinese social networks eat the right time before the excel other products from the west .
U.S.A has overtaken China as India's top trading partner this year.
@@shashwat1391 interesting may I know how the average Indian benefited from this change?
@@sepam82 Nothing.
That is not the discussion though now, is it?
@@shashwat1391 Sorry just thinking that there is a reason for the increase/decrease because I see this as reason to invest or divest
Ms.Ulrike is right about the point where USA is eating up the tech sector of Europe
WE INVENTED IT WHY NOT....
When you can't eat the grape it's sour.
The general understanding is that the Russian and Chinese were forced to try to de-Dollarize just for their own financial and commercial security.
And not just Russia and China.
Most countries should dumped US dollars because US weaponized it US dollars and use it to sanctions all the countries that they can’t agreed with. Venezuela, Iran, Afghanistan, Russia and many2 more. So this is definitely are a very dirty, hypocrites, double standards and very inhuman. So the world must dumped this US dollars so no countries will be victimized by this country.
AND THEY STEAL ALL OUR TECH AND COPY CAT ..THEY ARE NOTHING WITH OUT AMERICA
I believe that allowing USD to be the defacto currency is not healthy. They are now trying to enforce compliance on foreign policies and political compliance on other nations. Where then are your freedom? They can also borrow and print hugh amount of money without seeing a fall in value since the world has to support the currency because they are so invested in USD
Just because Samir said it doesn't make it so. Less than two decades ago, every expert projected India to outperform China in development because of their advantage in the English language. It is true. India did have a huge advantage over China. And Samir just proved it with his eloquence in maligning China.
China never encouraged english language , it's not part of their system ,less than 2 decades ago no one expected india outperform any country
Its Nixon Kissinger preferred communist china over democratic india in 1972
Why ?
Your comment doesn't make any sense when we see in ground reality
The biggest english speaking country is US and INDIA
@@kirannnnnn Excellent. A question still awaiting an answer. Perhaps the bottom line of the “West” is $$$ priority, and secondly the West then and now suffers from Russophobia but nothing like that towards China though China the West dry‼️
This happens to nationalistic idiots who thinks they are better than others.
The Indian speaker looked very angry and frustrated about China, and it seems to him that all Indian's problems are caused by China. It is funny that he complained about the bureaucracy in Europe, does he know that India has been ranked pretty bad in terms of bureaucracy for long time? His speech reaffirmed a lot of people's perception on India, that is, Indians are good in arguments, but not in actions
Who cares. What is QUAD, I2U2. INDIA building infrastructure at a record pace. Dominating IT. Building border infrastructure. Ties with most powerful countries. Encircling china by making friends. Helping Srilanka, afghans, providing food to world. Manufacturing indigeneously. what is that then.
Indians are good in arguments but not in actions… your comment is partly true. Now we Indians are learning about the actions & because of the Chinese aggression, we’ll learn it more fast because we know that we have limited time in hand for preparations.
@@Spread_peace651 endian sob
The CCP must love these types of forum. They elaborate all the Chinese weaknesses upon which the Chinese, with intensive review, could address and rectify. They can only be encouraged to continue with “ impunity “ those things, which seem to benefit the Chinese and the envy of the West. Perhaps, if the likes of Samir would spend more of his intellect to identify which strategies deployed by the Chinese, would also advance India, if adopted, he would do India , China and indeed the world , a positive contribution. The CCP has done positively more for the Chinese people in 40 years than anyone could imagine. That is what Govts. are for ! The CCP made a lot of mistakes along the way, but without making these mistakes, China would not be benefitting in their current situation when longevity has virtually doubled. The greatest value in life is to live as long as possible, not withstanding all the challenges, which one confronts.
China needed to change very dramatically, in order for it’s people to benefit to this extent. Why is the panel , not acknowledging that the sum total of the actions of the CCP, is good, when the client is the Chinese populace ? I cannot but be more surprised to the stupidity to the contention that the ageing population viewed by the CCP as a benefit to its challenge in governance, because Old People do not Protest.
First, he is admitting that people do and can protest in China and unwittingly, and choosing to credit past protests, ultimately resulted in life longevity. Again, why do satisfied people still have the compunction to protest; when they are happy ? To them, they have arrived at their intended destination, most presumptuous for anyone else to decide that for them.
To any panelist, you have to have a clear vision what is best for you, as opposed to what you want. Therefore, show some humility. Even you cannot alway choose the environment in your pursuit, why do you indulged in acrimonious condemnation of another’s success ?
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The chinese people accomplished great things because it benefited the cc
The West is simply jealous of China's remarkable growth and development. They never thought that a non- white race is able to achieve something miraculous. A lot of sour grapes here!
China awards 1.3 million STEM degrees each year. STEM graduates from the top universities in the US are disproportionately Chinese.
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
The (USA) America call it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question...
Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
2014 - 2022 - 6 countries yet to verify.
Pakistan 2022 *
I SENT BUSH TO IRAQ.... NOW THE KURDS HAVE THEIR OWN COUNTRY......JESUS
Big jealousy to nowadays Chinese prosperity from EU and Indian politicians.
Missing out envy by india
Heyyy you have youtube in china 😱😱😱, that's eye opening for the whole world, but China, how ironic.
@@user-jt5jz6mq9l everybody knows all social medias are replete with half truths, fake news, slendering, spreading prejudice even how to make a home made bomb
Funny
@@user-jt5jz6mq9l If Chinese are allowed to access RUclips you could be buried by Chinese comments. Remember, now China has has 70% of world 4G internet coverage with more than 900 million brave and enthusiastic internet users. They are much more picky and aggressive to the government than you A
Western capital slaves. Reality now in China is Chinese government only blocks or censors the pornos, rumors and any political intention to disturb the social stability. The real democracy shouldn’t have such “freedoms” or “liberty” and every individual can’t take any excuse to block or disturb the freedom of other majorities in the normal society. Alone in America over one million pandemic deaths would be one of the serious consequences under such a western democracy.
The reason why China is the "go to" place for digital and green tech is because China is very good at it. Suppose USA had done what China has done, and USA was the "go to" place for digital and green tech. Would India going to Washington be better than India going to Beijing? Why?
This sounds very racist to me. China would be a far better steward of the world order than USA has ever been. More *peaceful* . More *benevolent* . Has China fought a single war since 1979? Does China overthrow foreign regimes it doesn't like? Does China sanction countries that refuse to comply with its foreign policy? Does China interfere in foreign elections?
Excellent discussion... Samir Saran was like; Guys, you don't get it, you're too Late, Slow and Lethargic.
Samir is a clown. Whining and crying that China has overtaken India. Give him a tissue.
What India has done
i dont know why people applaud for Mr samir. he is chating China, chinese or else europe. where does not concentrate what we are doing from our side. i dont feel he is having healthy voice for our society. who can agree with this ...hmm
He is a big China hawk
I agree.... he's is more of a china hater than an actual expert.
No one talks about India's building its own social media instead of relying so much on US's like Meta, Google etc You need to ask why when Indians have the mastery in IT.
India is a source of intelligent labour and is stuck in the export of man hours. Thats changing but based on Indians going to usa and starting their business there. Indians head almost every tech company. But within India it requires at least one more generation to be able to innovate and create new technology. Though democratic india has never had free markets and freedom to ideate within scarcity. It requires an environment of abundance to innovate by those who have come from scarcity.
Indians are only good at criticizing and complaining.
@@nonlinearthinking Running US company (e.g
Meta) to keep India from having its own social media? You don't see a problem with that from national security perspective? Having your own social media should be India's top priority. The longer you wait, the more difficult for your own to succeed!
@@Time4Peace That's what he is saying?
Estonians can play the role to resist Chinese further development? Fool me once!
You never say no, with multipolar world still functioning. I know China does want that. Xenophobes
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
It is funny to see the formal slaves(India) and formal colonial masters(EU) are discussing China.
Very weird and insecure also
@@markjapan4062 OK, If america can created China's economy, why it can not created its own?
and discussing on china(british+japanese slave)
I think China is going to rocket forward in tech. I just don't see them doing anything else, they have applied so much off themselves to the technocracy buildout that it's going to bear fruits and I'm off the personal opinion that there not going to be selfish with it. ( That's my belief ...) I think there focused on an inevitable egalitarian world.
Samir breaks it down pretty good.
38:36 The United States also does not have a national army. The army in the United States is a constitutional army. It is loyal to and supportive of the United States Constitution because the Constitution is the bedrock upon which the state is built. In China, the CPC is the bedrock upon which the state is built. The Communist Party of China is the Chinese analogue of the American Constitution and the PLA is loyal to and supportive of the CPC because that is what keeps the country together and therefore it is what is in the best interest of the Chinese people.
STUPID COMMENT ,,THE CHINEESE PEOPLE ONLY SUPPORT THE CPC BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO BE MURDERED BY THE CPC......
to the whole sapiens, it is such a wondeful thing to have a non western civilization to compete with and win over the western civilization. I do hope India follows china soon.
We are and we will....
@@balasuryaglopol People like you our disgrace to the India always trying to please others. Leave this mindset we have our own ways we dont follow we make countries follow us.
One day we will take tibet and other areas from you and show whose the big daddy.
What is your name?
Do you think really dragon exist?
CPC sucks.
@@ammanagrawal762 are you kidding me？ You had been colonized by the British for 300 years, willing to be the servants for them and don't have the ball to rebel. You have the gut to provoke the new super power?
That Indian speaker is very good at speaking "empty" talk/spinning things right n left all the time,
roti prata style
Awww, what happen little Tan? Too much fluent English didn’t make sense to you?
Empty vessel makes the most noise.
Samir does not know what he is asking for when he wants Europe to be involved in the future of the Indo-Pacific.
Well, he will find out india being a vassel states for Europe again then.
Mairca80 pais
he is absolutely knowes how imp is it for india to bring europe in asia . thats the whole game plan of india
I disagree, Europe by behaviours both past and present is unworthy of India. I can’t trust them
@@minnievenkat
i rather trust europe then usa better to have lesser of the evil . beside in this world no one is anyone friend all relationship based on mutual intrest
@@siddharthkalantri5076 have you forgotten how UK treated India? 🙄 You want to experience that again in different, more modern way? 😂
OMG, talking about China but not a single Chinese in this debate.
That Asian guy with American accent born in America is NOT chinese. Thumbs down for 1 sided debate.
When you have an Indian participant so emotionally anti-China, you no longer see the situation rationally and objectively to benefit India's interest. India needs to be friends to all and not become a victim of the divide and rule of the West as it has been. Increased hostility with nuclear neighbours like China and Pakistan (and for the West, Russia too) is never good economically and militarily. Best these heightened hostilities will benefit the West hugely.
And the onus to prevent nuclear war is solely on India?
We will always be anti China as long as they are expansionist.
@@Kathakathan11 Did I say the onus is on India alone? Building trust is a difficult process and you can't begin by hysterical hate mongering.
Of course, the West would want the Asians fighting each other. What freak the West out more than to have India and China in constructive engagement (economically at least). So you are seeing Western media in a frenzy to soft-talk India.
@@Kathakathan11 Why is China expansionist? Are you watching too much western media? Listen to Jaishankar: the West's enemies are not our enemies. We can handle our border disputes with China ourselves. We have resolved some, but there are still some unresolved.
If China attacks India, India will leave China with a bloody nose, although China will probably win. But who knows. West will definitely support India. Russia may like China to ceed some territory to halt the war. But India will go 50 years back in terms of economy.
Samir Saran's speech was very anti-China with a scary complete vengeance and hatred sentiment, as if the Chinese had killed his parents. He has scared me, to see he is in a position to be invited to give an influential speech. (that produces conflict sedition of hatred).
Samir has that more freedom to express more than government appointed individuals.
Samir presentation on Big Tech Digital sovereignty in Lowy institute australia is at next level.
Indian voice is going globally,
European Austrian thinker velina tchekorova , Canadian analyst cleo paskal giving indian voice on global platforms.
People needs to know these Platforms and Dialogues are very important for india to give our perspective on any thing
Dr.Jai shankar cannot mentioned some word's/perspectives what samir said at any dialogue session.
There is a boundary set for any Country officials
The words samir mention, american hegemony , bashing China mentioning names , these views cannot be spoken by government represtatives.
Thank god the government has people like jaishankar instead of someone like gambit patra LOL
I really don’t know if Indians reguard Samir as a voice of reason or not, but from my observation he is like a jealous drama queen in reality Housevives TV show.
@@verumverba5711 too much noice he makes instead of making points
@@verumverba5711 Your comment doesn't make any sense at all..
Your brain must be in head not in knee's..
Saran brilliant to point out that China is gaming the world and it's one sided. But what he implies or is being polite by not mentioning that china communism has identified the Achilles heel of capitalism. Just offer democratic free markets anything cheaper to enhance their consumption and profit and then recycle the profit made by supplier as capital investment back in the free market. Zero reciprocity is required just insure mutual profit. Human values in democracy is controlled by economics. China has recognised that two decades ago.
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
China doesn't care European norm? Well how much the european cares the chinese norm.
well said
What are even chinese norms?? Anyone knows
@@bhavinpatel3655 not firing a shot for 40 years
Ooo.... waw ! What a discussion 👏
Very informative, it's need more attention . We have cheap data so it's must spead throughout the country in a digital manner to enlighten our youth, it needs more penitration in the rural areas . People are watching irrelevant stuffs by these cheap data . use our limited resources in a sustainable ways.
TO CONQUER IS SHOWING LOW MORALITY , XI JIN PING !!!
YOUR TERRITORY IS THE BIGGEST
BUT “NOT” THE BEST , SO TAKE CARE
OF YOUR OWN TERRITORY AND MAKE
YOUR ROBOTIC PEOPLE BE MORE HUMAN , MORE HAPPY AND WEALTHY .
Aging population don’t protest. CCP prefer aging people? Smart for both of you. If Chinese has opponents like these, what a wonderful world….btw, Chinese government encourages young couples to have 2nd child and more.
The last part by Cheng on the Ant group IPO and ccp preferring aging society is totally bs.
He just swallowed the bs from the msm.
LESS PHYSICALLY ABLE PEOPLE TO REVOLT AGAINST THE CPC
The Indian guy is obsessed with China. His obsession made him sound subjective and biased.
In fact, he proved himself to be an unabashed China hater.
as always, the indian speaker, like most indians, does the following: 1, leveraging west against china to help india, just as russia against us in the past. 2, fails to talk about what is wrong with india. 3, down playing the competitive edges of china. india has borrowed all boats it can but still couldn't replicate the economic progress, why?
indians should distance itself from all others, MENTALLY, and learn to stand on its own feet. I wish indians the best, but it will take some fundamental changes on their side to make india advance further.
So true lmao
He is a typical Indian, always good in condemning, complaining, blaming, bragging and bullshitting.
Still couldn't replicate the economic progress?
Go through the numbers; it is following the same path. China liberalised its economy in '79 compared to India in '91.
If you understand how compounding works, you can see how India is 15 years behind China right now. Check where China stood in 2000s.
@@shashwat1391 2022-15=2007. I know chinese bailed out usa from thr financial crisis. and i know the india today is nowhere close to where china was 15 years ago. indian percentage as global gdp is just over 3%, corresponding to china's in 1997. moreover, india doubled gdp per capita from 2009 to 2021, which china more than tripled in the same period. the quality of growth is not as good for india. but good luck to india. we will see how it progress further from here.
@@qilu2004 Lol. Are you kidding me? It barely takes seconds of research; China's GDP in 2007: ~3.5 Trillion Dollars, India's GDP in 2022: ~3.5 Trillion Dollars.
dang... china has been subject to subjugations, interferences, sanctions, isolations, yet still maintain peaceful posture... what do you expect them not to be strong for their dignity and survival?
10S OF 1000S EACH WEEK KILL THEM SELVES FOR NOT GETTING A PAYCHECK AT THE END OF THE WEEK. AND THE CHINEESE BUSINESS OWNERS GO TO MACAO AND LOSE THE PEOPLES MONEY GAMBLING...AT THE THE CHINEESE OWNED CASINOS ...WHAT DIGNITY....
Samir has to calm down and prep...if he will sounds like whinger...no one is going to take him seriously. Even though he is extremely smart and knowledgeable person.
**I don't see what he truly as smarter, sorry I've no offend**
**In general, we could not accept and so disappointed with the two men on the right side, where he (& both) were very narrow-minded, extreme personalism and selfishness ... They even despise everyone in the hall, ignored do not admit that they are outdated in the worldview as well as great achievements of changing through contributions and active cooperation with each other voluntary and freely among the countries regardless geopolitical as China - PRC globally etc.**
**In particular, the Indian voice man is so arrogantly, impolite, selfish .... by deliberately loudly speaking because of unknown reason .... angrily from inside out to the scary face _ Assuming, he's in a political fundraising front of some villagers and teaching students in the classroom as in India. There is no doubt, this man is absolute least of family orientation as well as uneducated formally.**
If you grow fat, lazy, indolent and need a full time maid or guardian just to keep you alive don't blame your guardian or your housekeeper when he quits looking after your needs.
If you are handicapped because you didn't take care of yourself when you could don't blame others for abandoning you.
China is just charging ahead in their development and proposing win-win deals with neighboring countries. The Western approach can try limit China in their own market, but it won't impact those other countries who inevitably will accept the win-win deals. That ecosystem will push forward regardless. Meanwhile the Western approach will almost certainly mean that their market share in the rapidly growing Asian market would be much smaller than otherwise. So in the end, I don't think you will accomplish much.
Ha, I would ask china's neighbors how they like the geostrategic rattling win-win moves by the CCP. No one likes them, simple as that, maybe the north Koreans though...
Let's get the perspective right .Google, Facebook etc were allowed to go into China with 1 condition,China govt has the right to check its content/harmful activities. Facebook refused ,n withdrew on its own
Wrong!
@@djsunshine1 not wrong
@@hypoyt0015 accepting it means CCP can look into FB, Google algorithms, which company will allow that ? That is like giving up their IP.
at best they can allow is to provide info on users or block sensitive information as requested by govt per local laws.
@@ardentthunder lol typical US cia sheeple sour grape. hahahaaaa🤣🤣🤣
every country have their own regulations and laws. You want set company at certain country , you must obey the laws at that country My house, my rule. . Aren't India itself ban twitter last year because not obey india laws 🤣🤣🤣
@tony tan: China wanted Google, FB,etc to install their servers in China instead of in USA. These companies refused. That's the same thing USA demanded Tik tok to keep their servers in USA, otherwise USA would shut them down. That's typical of USA double standards.
It is painful to watch the Indian to be so critical of China. Both countries suffered from the west and China managed to pull itself to gradually come out of the state of a developing country. I can understand the west tries to suppress this as it is not in there interest. India how ever, could benefit from the cooperation with China and more ever the experience from China in how to compete with the formal colonizers. So far no country except for China has managed to really emerge.
Blame Xi jingping.
China has done a fantastic job for its people. Everyone has an opportunity to learn a lot from China. The sad part is how speakers are so shamefully discussing about Chinese weaknesses and how to exploit them. Where are the moralities?
@@itlearner1175 Ask Xi jingping the same question?Moralities & China doesn’t belong in same sentence
Your CCP is dangerous for the world as it comes with enormous power but no responsibility or accountability. Covid was the perfect case for this logic. Border fights will all neighbours and use of unfair methods and hard power are eroding systems and democracies. Not all society like china which do as told by governments. Imagine why all your citizens with money are moving out to West. We say no to imperial ambition of X1. Chineese people are amazing but they represent the government. Tell one country whose fate has improved after cooperation with China. Chinese govt touch is death wish. See Sri Lanka, Africa, Pakistan and numerous examples. I am not saying west did not do this sort of things but China is on a different level. You may become superpower but not the leader you wish.
@@savvys3768 I didn't reply to you, I wrote to my Chinese friend. Go and build some toilets the rpistan.
What will happen in the future? No clues? Chinese space project has openings to the public. If you want to join, apply and study Chinese. Guess who want to join? Btw, anyone know where the Chinese space tech comes from?
Samir is on fire but confused with vague strategy to counter your enemy. His statements seem supporting only the west and not of his own. That will hurt yourself in the long run.
Mani ST
absolutely not .
he knowes india need europe and usa on its side to beat china
That's typical
A joker , clown
@@hongshen4929
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
i guess you only reached at 2nd stage lol
@@siddharthkalantri5076 When you get there please wake us up… From my observation, that Indian guy on the video is seen by the European audience as “ok! Let’s move on…” 😂
EU needs to look after its interests and not be the vassal of the US.
ALL WHITE AMERICANS AND EUROPEAN ARE FROM THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL WE ARE BROTHERS...
All economies are interdependent. “It is clear that the nations of the world now can only rise and fall together. It is not a question of one nation winning at the expense of another. We must all help one another or all perish together.” - Carl Sagan
The three body problem is the best book I have read in my life, highly recommended
read OSHO . you will realise what life is .
I do not know how it crossed "Life Wonder" mind to suggest you to read Osho - maybe it's your fortune.
@@beemaurice7035 have you read osho?
Yes it is a fantastic book. So intelligently written.
Another Anti China Trash Talk session, Blaa.
Bravo China!!!
2nd speaker said a lot about China's action. Based on his logic, he did not explain why the US and allies have aircraft carriers?
Sri Lanka owes 81% of its external debt to US and European financial institutions and Western allies Japan and India. China owns just 10%. But Washington blames imaginary “Chinese debt traps” for the nation’s crisis, as it considers a 17th IMF structural adjustment program.
An additional 2% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt was owed to India as of April 2021, although that number has steadily increased since. In early 2022, India was in fact the top lender to Sri Lanka, with New Delhi disbursing 550% more credit than Beijing between January and April.
Both Japan and India are key Western allies, and members of Washington’s anti-China military alliance in the region, the Quad.
Together, these Western firms and their allies Japan and India own 81% of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt - more than three-quarters of its international obligations.
By contrast, China owns just one-tenth of Sri Lanka’s foreign debt
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u take 50 cents from chin chin chang chuu zou zou and have to return 50 dollars in 10 yrs , and you take 50 cents from World bank and have to return 1 dollar in 10 yrs, get my point ?
Where did you find this data in global Times... it's the other way around...
@@user-jt5jz6mq9l this is completely false
@@rudalibellator1739 BBC reported these figures.
3rd speaker. Technology comes not from one country, technology is available all around. R&D plays a lot and countries with the more investment will contribute more.
US China tension only one word summarize all "chicken" all in the State of shock! the rest not applicable. Don't underestimate the Chinese quest for excellencies. As for Western democracies it have been thrown under the bus long ago.
The fact of China has changed the design.
India is ignored , mostly because it’s just a $3 trillion economy. India needs to get to $15-$20 trillion by 2030s to get into the bigger table.
By that time China economy will be USD100 trillions
@@nmew6926 Actually that’s the whole point it won’t. This isn’t an exponential curve , China is already growing much slower than India and it’s absolute peak is around $80 trillion bit in reality more like $40-$50 and will take a longer time to get there due to the slowdown. This means peak GDP differential between India and China has already been reached (5x) . By 2030s, will be 2-3x range
@@BigOil18 Man oh man do i love curves
@@BigOil18 I just did some googling. 2020 Growth Rates, India is -8.0% while China is 2.3%.
@@MACKOBII uh yeah, that’s known as the Covid period, India grew 12.55% in 2021. Average annual GDP growth is 7% since 1991 and is accelerating to 8-9. India is the fastest growing major economy in the world
Always pleasure to listen to Mr. Saran.
Very few will want to invest and cooperate with India, look at this Indian panel, the typical extremist or radical, while most FDI comes to China.
You Chinese?
Don't bullshiting, we in Asia are not a fool. Western countries can always impose sanctions on so many countries without any mercy. Why complaining about China's progress as a threat to the western power. China was a super power, China is a super power, and China will continue to be a super power.
These panels have the common sense as nowadays America, how to containing China!
Everyday China, China.
These guys are comedians not geo strategists.
That European lady was quite truthful
So, Samir, what is Emperor Modi doing?
Lol..quite a unbiased group of panelists 😂😂🤣. This kind of propaganda just to make some easy money is what makes this kind of debates worthless, unfruitful and not even a single sense of rationality
It seemed that this is more about Autocratic China vs Democracy and that defending Democracy is so neccessary because its better .
I found this discussion to be very informative and engaging and a tiny bit entertaining/funny at times, thank you for reposting
How could they spoken with such straight faces. Oscar's quality.
The India mentality is what makes India it is today - protectionalistic.
Indian view the world from the standpoint of China? ?!you mean from the standpoint of US😂
You’re so wong, Joe Wong.
This is so low. You should not bad mouth somebody or some country without their participation.
Read up more on the history of the Chinese Indian border conflict as it is not Chinese aggression rather than the legacy of the British drawing a border that China never accepted during the occupation of India by the British.
Which country has the highest percentage of population in poverty? India!!!!!!!
Old people are for thousand years valued as treasure in China.
Dean Cheng no matter we’re u born look in mirror see ur ancestors was ban from North America dare u to walk in New York San Francisco or southern state
This how the whiteman's puppet looks like.
That’s an AH. Tell him to walk on a street in NY SF or LA and see how much of an American he is.
His father is white and rised by endian
He is probably working for the anti China media in America 😜
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Sounds like EU, talks, talks and more talks. But really no clear logic, sound strategy and plan, after all, resources to carry out anything.
That’s the problem, these people never go to China and lived China. They don’t know China’s culture.
So its all about US vs China ...nothing much.
Not worth listen only pro on other. Waste of time to follow by some EU speaker. can't the EU be too much lacky of Uncle Sam? The originated covid-19 is in US researched had completed by Jeffery Sach, US professor.
Chinese political system is based on MERITOCRACY, and this political system is beating DEMOCRACIES hands down in doing good work for its people. Today the communist lead meritocratic system is beating the world in capitalism too.
Meritocracy in some way. But we can’t seem to agree on what is meritorious. If it helps the ruling cadre in the CCP maintain the status quo, it is meritorious. Very few are brainwashed their populace like the CCP.
Communism is a dead and buried ideology. And definitely the worst ideology to ever exist. We have millions of corpses to verify that.
@@sewaligoswami781: China has evolved beyond communism. Communist thought and ideology has made China a success story today. China no longer practices communism in the strict sense.
@@minnievenkat: Meritocracy-based political system does more good for the people it rules than any democracy. A political system that delivers better quality of life for its people is called respectable/ meritorious. Indians are today also brainwashed by Hindutva.
@@minnievenkat Chinese life expectancy is 79, while indians 69. It speaks louder than your all bullsxxting that India's so-called democracy is better than China's so-called authoritarianism.
Sameer saran brings in such an unique point of view.
Today we can see Chinese army are in peace keeping mission around the world, safeguards the chaos created by the so called values. The army belongs to the country the party belongs to the people of the country the army are part of the people who belongs to the same country. So please think of your words before you say them
Only China! So many other countries do that peace keeping mission around the world.
@@sewaligoswami781 just twist whatever benefits you. All good are India, US UK and all bad just blame China and your problem will be solved. How Hypocrites.
Just look at the title of the conference, it is very political, thus not able to see the accurate geopolitical picture.
Discussion of people with hypocrisy and double standard who believe Chinese should not develop but the west with less than 15% of world population should rule the world.
Please define conquer. Is a border disputes be considered as conquer? Ask any Englishmen present in the room and they'll say it very different way from how you would define it. They'll simply define it as " divide and conquer the whole country and loots everything valuable as far as your eyes can see.