The Russia-Ukraine War: Do the West and the Rest disagree?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- #RussiaWhatNext: Russia is increasingly politically and economically isolated in response to its war in Ukraine, marking the end of an era. What is next for Russia and what will be the broader impacts of its isolation on the global economy?
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Panelists:
Samir Saran, President, Observer Research Foundation (ORF)
Alexander Stubb, Director, School of Transnational Governance, European University Institute
Karin von Hippel, Director-General, Royal United Services Institute
Moderated by
Ian Bremmer , President, Eurasia Group
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NATO secretary General Stoltenburg said Ukraine can win this war if the Russians withdraw from Ukraine. That was the most foolish statement of the century.
Is that means also the Ukrainian with Russian-root are included?
The most foolish statement of the past two centuries was made by Vladimir Putin in around 2008 when he claimed that "The fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century."
Someone was listening! Ukraine cant win this war, as Russian withdrawal means defeat. Defeat is unacceptable. The window for negotiations was 5 days. Now Russia may never stop the war machine. Shall we wait for game 2 - the measured shift of economic levers by the glorious elected honorable King Putin with 100% support of Russians.
ur right tat was foolish, what he shouldve said was Ukraine can win this war when Russians population are 80% dead and Ukraine controls Moscow.
Manchester united can the EPL next year if all the big 6 clubs loaned their star players 😳
'There is a political realism that needs to be injected on how we assess each other" ... Samir Saran said it bluntly. The West assumption that they know what's good for everyone needs to stop. Don't expect the developing world to support any stand that you take without considering their own socio-economic interests. They can't afford to unlike the developed world.
I don't see it as a question of the west knowing what is good for everyone here. Ukraine wants to be a part of western Europe and not a part of the Russian federation. Putin should just accept that.
you do understand, that developing world is getting humanitarian help mainly from the west through UN. What socio-economic interest West has in this? Or is this help based on the princples, that developing world is rejecting?
yeah its the other way around actually! Developing world is showing not only their apathy but also by doing so their support for authoritarianism. Which is curious because there's plenty authoritarian governments in Africa and Asia
@@dro355 Many of those authoritarian regimes installed by NATO.
Timestamp??
Sameer saran is a gem. Thank you for nailing every answer and keeping India’s stand very clearly.
NATO assaulted Yugoslavia and bombed it for 78 days straight. They murdered thousands of people and reduced entire neighborhoods and towns to rubble. They bombed news agency buildings and murdered journalists. NATO bombed Libya for 45 days until the government collapsed and al-Qaeda (aka The Libyan Fighting Group) took over. NATO bombed and killed Afghani men, women and children wholesale for 20 years . US-led NATO forces are occupying Syria and stealing Syrian oil and preventing its reconstruction. All this, yet they have the gall to demonize Russia!! Pathological!
The collective West, led by the US, has to be one of the most evil forces in human history. They have been waging war unchallenged for 30 years. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon (via Israeli proxy), etc. Sanctions and embargoes that starve to death children and destroy whole communities. Over 500,000 Iraqi children STARVED TO DEATH because of US-led sanctions. Pure, unadulterated evil.
I thank him for remembering to who, like Mrs Karen, needs "a global government" that we ara all different and that there won't be a homogeneous world.
And I can add that we don't want a homogenous world and even less an American type of homogenity in the world.
Remind me to bring this back to you when China or Pakistan invades the rest of Kashmir and takes that territory away from India.
India doesn't have a stand. It gives Russia blood money.
If China invaded and decided India didn't exist, you'd expect a response from "The West".
You won't however reciprocate even to the point of just buying normal priced oil.
Could someone explain why USA bombs so many countries and their sportsmen are not abandoned when Russian is? When sport and art became a political thing? Do we have situation here that "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" ?
Good question..
It depends on Uncle sam Mood
@@kirannnnnn exactly. What a hypocrisy we see here from all these politicians.
@@natalives Why Russian olygrach are invested/interested in western countries why not india?
India is a close friend to Russia from 70 year's yet our bilateral trade is 9$ billion
By the way i think you are Russian
@@kirannnnnn hi. I am mostly Russian and partly Ukrainian. I don't know about the Russian oligarchs, as I am not one of them and never met anyone of them in my life. Sorry about it 😂. But I remember that in Soviet Union we were trading with India a lot.
@@natalives do you want to listen a joke or rather say hypocrisy.
When Russia invades its called Invasion.
When USA invades its called Liberation.
When UK invades its called Civilization.
The hypocrisy of west is unmatchable.
Billionaires in Europe, USA, west are called Business Tycoons, industrialist.
But Billionaires in Russia are called Oligarchs.
How Hypocrite isn't..!!
Don't bring Europe and European problems to Asia and expect us to toe western narration.
@North Korea Is Best Korea look who is talking about UN charter.
@North Korea Is Best Korea there is no point in promoting a charter when it's primary architects themselves are violating it.
@North Korea Is Best Korea well China too. But I was saying about the western countries. None of the P5 members follow the charter.
@North Korea Is Best Korea
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣North Korea is Best Korea. 90% Times from Back door keeps begging from India 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's incredible how mocking and dismissive these guys are about the Russian military, when even Josep Borell said recently that Europe couldn't sustain a conventional war with Russia for more than few weeks. And Russia is fighting with a very limited force and winning. These guys are clueless or just play the same propaganda tune we already got used to.
I agree. The level of propaganda in west has reached a higher notch of stupidity.
Most definitely
The woman asks "does putin even watch western tv?". Why would he. It's all pr0p 0 g@nd@
You hit it on the nail
Spot on.
At last there is a strong and articulate non Western non NATO voice in a world forum to be listened to - thank you Samir🙏🏼
Correct
Samir is an ignorant fool.... Peter Zaihan is not!! get educated
The collective West, led by the US, has to be one of the most evil forces in human history. They have been waging war unchallenged for 30 years. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon (via Israeli proxy), etc. Sanctions and embargoes that starve to death children and destroy whole communities. Over 500,000 Iraqi children STARVED TO DEATH because of US-led sanctions. Pure, unadulterated evil.
What makes you think, it’s a 'strong' voice? India has hardly found its own position. 'Not our problem' isn’t much of a stance.
@@jansix4287 agreed but why should he make a say when its not his problem . ? They include an indian in this panel only because of their interests in indo pacific . indo pacific and black sea ,in my opinion both are the problems of the west , at least indo pacific is not the problem of EU but USA. an unstable russia dependant on china is definitely India's problem . Zelenski is definitely out of india's focus
Pretty lame discussion from the Western world representatives. The Finnish guy shows the classic inferiority complex of a little nation that was historically a 'province of Russia'. The woman who had a pretty irrelevant and poor contribution. Samir made it clear that the rest of the world does not want a unipolar world, because it basically it is on its way out. I prefer a multipolar world, where small and middle sized nations are able to have a bigger say and are able to align with whom they want. That gives them more power and chance to do things independently. As far as Europe is concerned, please get your act together. Every three to four decades your continent puts the whole world at risk. Now it is even more dangerous with nukes. Europe please solve your own problems and leave the rest of the world in peace.
By all means, India, do things independently.
Are you aware that it was Putin who invaded Ukraine, not "Europe" or any "European nation" who invaded any other nation?
How then are you able to imagine that Europe is the source of your disturbed peace?
Had the Europeans been so capable enough to solve their own problems the world would not have seen / Witnessed World war I & II.
I was Supporting Ukraine for the first 30 Days of the War, now am sick and tired.
There are no dearth of problems for Europeans.
They are Born with Problems, Live with Problems And die with Problems.
@@bittoochatterjee2661 No words for this!
Fantastic analysis, thanks
As Europeans we behave like a hooligan style fanclub.
I really appreciate the views of Samir.
The collective West, led by the US, has to be one of the most evil forces in human history. They have been waging war unchallenged for 30 years. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon (via Israeli proxy), etc. Sanctions and embargoes that starve to death children and destroy whole communities. Over 500,000 Iraqi children STARVED TO DEATH because of US-led sanctions. Pure, unadulterated evil.
Well said, I would just add chauvinist and colonialist as well
Wef going to take everything away from you and you will enjoy it h a h a
That why USA needs to bail u out because u can’t defend yourself
He is an arrogant hypocrite who is acting as an apologist for a bloodthirsty murdering tyrant, and attempting to pass it off as slick pragmatism and sophistication. Utterly despicable and worthless.
Mad respect to the Indian representative. Preach!!!
Though I did not judge, I did not really understand India’s position until Samir laid it out. Thank you for your clarity and helping westerners, like myself, understand and see this situation from another perspective. Very well done Samir!
India is very clear in terms of its stand when it comes to Ukrain-Russia situation. Problem is that west and EU want to see that only from their lenses without putting much of deliberation.
It is not Indian perspective. He heads a Think Tank and is sold on western media inputs. Look at what Indian generals are saying about Russian weapons- they are all very happy about it. India like others are looking for energy security and will definitely pick up cheap Russian energy. The distance and cost negates the discount. But, it is in India’s interest to have a healthy Russia. India has 55% of its weapons from Russia and therefore cannot afford them to go away. India is also trying to get Russia not to move firmly into China’s corner. The west unfortunately is trying very hard to push it there.
What he says is partially true , if u want to know India's interest and perspective watch Interviews of India's Army Generals , Navy chiefs , Indian Foreign ministry.
T.b.h india doesn't trust west at all , at all , when I say at all , it really means at all.
India has made its own Camp , India itself is a pole and many countries are part of it like Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Serbia, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal.
ruclips.net/video/JrMiSQAGOS4/видео.html
An interesting 2015 video.
Making vaccine a weapon, making IT and Internet as a weapon, food as weapon, energy as weapon, weapon as weapon
Business interest succeeds.
“Yes, the Indian Foreign Service has changed.
Yes, they follow the orders of the Government.
Yes, they counter the arguments of others.
No, it’s not called Arrogance.
It is called Confidence.
And it is called defending National Interest,” Jaishankar tweeted.
The point being proven once again. 😜
India has a very long way to be really independent. I doubt it.
Lol india has become a fascist state drinking the fascist kool aid . What has changed ? Economy is stil crap ppl income not going up , the corporate capital class still control the government , corruption still rampant , in the process India has shifted its focus to domestic minority while they are being persecuted government turns the blind eyes . Keep drinking the kool aid bud while China moves along .
@@hamidhamidi3134 pakistan is really independent.
And yet India has its own internal issues it refuses to deal with.
@@corinnem.239 Tell me a country which doesn't has an internal issue. Sweden, a country of mere 5 million people, last year as well as this year had serious communal riots. Sweden, supposedly a flag bearer of 1st world country of Europe couldn't handle it. We, India are 1.4 billion people. Just take a second to comprehend this figure. 1.4 billion people 933 times the population of Sweden. So it's obvious. Now let us come to second country USA. It had more than 50000 gun violence case just in 2020 that too it's just reported figure. Now here comes my counter. It becomes so essy to condescend a person or country from brown or coloured race. Am I right?😏
No offense though.
I love @Ian Bremmer. He is so confidently a hypocrite. No shame. It's so European.
That lady forgets how much of Russian oil,gas,non fossil fuel did EU countries purchase since the so called war has begun in Ukraine?
She talked about russia being become international pariah but is it really?
For example Russian rubble has strengthen its place against dollar with all odds of sanction,isolation from west bloc since the conflict emerged
USA caused the original dispute and loaned Ukraine money to buy their own US armaments! Now they have lent Ukraine more money to buy more out of date armaments from the USA. USA do not want Europe to buy gas from Russia and delayed the installation of Nord Stream 2, because USA wanted to sell Europe its liquified gas at twice the price. (There are insufficient tankers or ports to provide all the gas Europe needs!) As a result, Russia increased sales of gas to China leaving Europe out in the cold and causing the price increase of gas worldwide! Then with all the silly war games around Russia's borders and now 100,000 troops on their borders, what do you expect Russia to do but to amass troops on their side? USA have started so many false wars since the second world war, won none and destroyed so many of the countries they invaded! USA needs to stop believing 007 films depicting Russia as the dangerous warmongers. 007 films need to concentrate in future as USA being the bad country. USA needs to worry about China since they are taking the world over by stealth! So could Russia be helping China to amass everyone's troops and armaments around Russia so China has a free hand to invade elsewhere! Ukraine failed to follow the terms of the Minsk agreement edition.cnn.com/2022/02/09/europe/minsk-agreement-ukraine-russia-explainer-intl/index.html ;
See Putin's speech ruclips.net/video/1qS6J-WbTD8/видео.html ;
Sanctions have escalated the value of the Russian currency, increased the revenue of oil, gas and grain, cut off oil gas and grain from the west and USA and strengthened the BRICS community economy! Soon all these resources will be sold to the BRICS community and none will be available for non BRICS countries in the future. Talk about a massive backfire! The BRICS community will rule the planet and China's war machine will become the world police force, as all the armaments from USA, Europe and Russia are used up and these countries become bankrupt, starving and will fail to provide enough energy for homes, businesses and transport!
You dont know much about economics, do you?
Rouble goes up because Putin artificially pumps it with reserves, think what will happen once the reserves will end? If Russia will still be as sanctioned as North Korea, Russia goes back into 13th century. Also Russia is a friend of China, Indians are fools for supporting russia that is an ally of china.
@@damian4926 lol
Mr harvard Economist
I heard a statement from us president biden
That "USA doesn't hv money to Vaccinate us citizens with Booster dose"
But USA can send billions of dollars weapons to Ukraine to inflame ukr-russ war
Because it's business
Zelensky is A-CLASS JOKER
second russia has over $600 billion forex reserves and Tons of gold reseve
Samir absolutelty crushed it. It seemed like he was the only one who was willing to say things as they are without any bs
The others are too scared, and are being politically correct
I can't believe they are talking about retaking Ukraine including Russian occupied territories. This can't be an objective once a majority of Ukraine is conquered.
Does Ukraine not have a say when this finishes.
@@grahamt5924 "A say?" They can say whatever they want, but if you mean in terms of agreement, Zelenskyy has already repeatedly said Ukraine would not only not yield any territory to the enemy but their total objective is to regain Crimea and other Russian controlled areas.
My point was that with military supplies dwindling and being intercepted and destroyed, Russia is likely to continue their advance, and the more territory they occupy, the more difficult it will become for Ukraine to "retake" their country on their own.
It appears there will be a point of "too late," to be optimistic about Ukraine retaking all of its land.
Historical perspective says this isn't over until the fat lady sings....
KEEP TORCHING ORCS...
until they go home and behave...
At the rate Russia has been "conquering" it might actually succeed in reaching the Dnieper river by 2045. 😄
Awesome and apt responses by Samir, knocked every point out of the park.
Absolutely brilliant. His wit is awesome!
@@dheerajraj5367
I found him pompous.
@@TedATL1 how about pompous and Factual
@@TedATL1 because u can't handle the fact
He is an arrogant hypocrite who is acting as an apologist for a bloodthirsty murdering tyrant, and attempting to pass it off as slick pragmatism and sophistication. Utterly despicable and worthless.
The Indian guy and the former PM both well versed and defined.
I wonder if these experts feel the same way now. Samir is the sharpest one. Would be nice to have a Russian on these panels.
Samir...hats off to your responses.. intellectually far superior to the the other panelists!
He is not objective, though better than the other clowns in the panel. He thinks that the Russian special operations is wrong without looking into the root causes of this conflict.
Great socks, Sameer. Also, great points.
I'd have gone with hot pink or electric blue socks.
No one can face samir response.. really shock & awe. effect
So you even know what he said? All the Indians here seem to reflexively cheer "their guy" like a footbal player.
@@TedATL1 We definitely know what he said , and we will always be nationalistic and only are only concerned about Indian national interest.
I love seeing and hearing Sameer Saran speaking up .... I hope he is heard over the noise of 'greatness and power'.
A normal persons analysis can say that putins state of mind is better the biden
Biden has dementia...he is free ride for deep state.
Well, 'Joe Potatoe' can't help it. He's been traumatized by so much in his personal life. He should retire to a nice retirement home, someplace warm. The extra 'e' is intentional.😉
I am disappointed that I didn't hear any question or any discussion on what was the real causes of this war!
Because with Samir around the true answer may slip out: ruclips.net/video/JrMiSQAGOS4/видео.html
Me too
They don't want to talk about it because it will show that Ukrainians and west themselves too are to blame for it.
USA caused the original dispute and loaned Ukraine money to buy their own US armaments! Now they have lent Ukraine more money to buy more out of date armaments from the USA. USA do not want Europe to buy gas from Russia and delayed the installation of Nord Stream 2, because USA wanted to sell Europe its liquified gas at twice the price. (There are insufficient tankers or ports to provide all the gas Europe needs!) As a result, Russia increased sales of gas to China leaving Europe out in the cold and causing the price increase of gas worldwide! Then with all the silly war games around Russia's borders and now 100,000 troops on their borders, what do you expect Russia to do but to amass troops on their side? USA have started so many false wars since the second world war, won none and destroyed so many of the countries they invaded! USA needs to stop believing 007 films depicting Russia as the dangerous warmongers. 007 films need to concentrate in future as USA being the bad country. USA needs to worry about China since they are taking the world over by stealth! So could Russia be helping China to amass everyone's troops and armaments around Russia so China has a free hand to invade elsewhere! Ukraine failed to follow the terms of the Minsk agreement edition.cnn.com/2022/02/09/europe/minsk-agreement-ukraine-russia-explainer-intl/index.html ;
See Putin's speech ruclips.net/video/1qS6J-WbTD8/видео.html ;
@@terrymoore861 what did russia promise when ukraine handed of the nukes
Russians are so awesome 🇷🇺
I am American and totally agree with you. It’s sad , not enough of American people think the way I do. Are you American?
Thank you . But we don't so proud in this fight, its terrible but it has to be done. Just now fresh m777 artillery are bombing civil Donetsk, there are no troops there , 20+ locals were killed . Its not explainable. Zelensky army is loosing and the last thing to do , is to bit any home or civil target with running back.
Thats what we see from 2014, and thats what are happening RIGHT now.
No one in MSM media will tell you this truth.
You know what MSM did? They just swap russians with ukranians , all they taking its about Zelensky swap with Putin and everything will stand on places.
As an Indian I don't Trust Russians
Russia, Putin, and the Kremlin are indeed aware of what we think and say about this war either personally or on our News outlets. In one of Putin’s most recent speeches he said “We have often heard that NATO wishes to fight us to the last Ukrainian”. Well that “to the last Ukrainian” bit is straight from John Mearsheimer. Mearsheimer, ever since this war began, has given an incredible amount of interviews, lectures, and debates, his lecture on Ukraine from 2015 reached 25 Million views! For an academic lecture that is incredible!
That Finnish guy was radiating how well educated person should act, Rational & open to what others has to say...
& Sameer is a Rockstar!
I totally agree, Got some things wrong nut the most intelligent on the panel... VAN whats her name was embarrassing.
Sameer you are a rockstar
Salute to Sameer for being truthful & upfront...the fact is there is a universal consensus that European NATO f'd up by pushing NATO east and not increasing the defense Budget to support it! It's totally f'd up... Europe needs to pay for it
Oh they will
Your headline should read "The Russia-Nato proxy War"
They all sounded very disappointed with what Saran had to say. The day they understand what he say will be the day that will be peaceful.
Brilliant Moderator and Equally Brilliant Panelist. While the geopolitical pendulum swings between an Optimist and the Pessimist - its the Realist who advances its interest at the appropriate time. Kudos for such enlightening discussion without any sort of argument or ego. So much knowledge and insight. Take a Bow !!!
Finnish ex pm was very equal handed
Sameer. You da man!!
That Indian guy is saying what many do not want to hear but he does not beat around the bush.
Beautiful. Saran Saab, shat shat naman 🙏
Lol, he was just there because his company sponsored the event
@@lani6647 ok.
IMO China are happy to see Russia and US weaken each other
The collective West, led by the US, has to be one of the most evil forces in human history. They have been waging war unchallenged for 30 years. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Lebanon (via Israeli proxy), etc. Sanctions and embargoes that starve to death children and destroy whole communities. Over 500,000 Iraqi children STARVED TO DEATH because of US-led sanctions. Pure, unadulterated evil.
If Russia fail..China would be next. It's not in Chinese interest to see Russia fail.They need Russian resources .
Chinese feel safe, when Russia and US are weak🐛🐛🐛
31:46 - "Putin is weaponize food ..." how can we characterize the withdrawal of McDonald's, Coca Cola, etc. from Russia due to Western sanctions, if not as use a food as a weapon?
That’s commerce / property market not food.
@@joydot7620 Maybe My wife told me that cheeseburger is not a food - one would not go to the McDonald's to eat, but for social reasons ... I understand that cheeseburger and Coca Cola was food, now I found out that it isn't food.
But, I think that the West weaponize properties, commodities as they ban import of them - natural gas, crude oil, gold, wheat, corn, sunflower oil, etc etc ?
@@josipfleis9223 california celiac lesson - cheeseburger with lettuce leaves instead of bun. delicious & super healthy! if your wife objects i believe this is an option for divorce.
Supply chain issues and national security issues have demonstrated the fragility of globalization.
14:50 look on face of anchor and Alexander Stubb when Samir Saran said American threw Afgans under the truck is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂
Sameer Spitting facts
As long as he's not literally spitting + halitosis.
Beautiful conversation
Thank you for clearing this up for me. The United States Government and the manner in which the U.S. banking system is wired is dangerous for American democracy. Banks in America unlike their Japanese counterparts are allowed to hold enormous amounts of equity in American corporations. If you extend this network of banks out over the sanctioning network, the E.U. and the Eurasian Continent you can see that the entire system is stacked in favor of the dual citizen elites and the internationalizations of the World. If you get my drift. The U.S. government owes it's soul to the wealthy elite. Representatives are bought and sold. It is no wonder that the U.S. Government were so eager to give the Zelenski regime 44 billion dollars and gave the American farmers 250 million to boost American fertilizer output. America needs that Russian fertilizer and that Wheat for Keloggs and other's. This proves that there is more going on than American job evaporation to Eurasia. Eurasia is nothing more than a bigger market for these international jet setters. The amount of corruption within the U.S. Government and the disconnects from America to the European Union, means that these people can evade tax and do whatever they want. Individual Nation States within the E.U have veto power, and have the final say in what they consider favorable policy concerning corporations. The E.E.A. is another layer of complexity and means that nobody is in control of public policy other than the U.S. led NATO situated in Washington D.C. U.S. government is operating outside of its territorial jurisdiction. This is a conflict of interest for the the Citizens of the U.S. and the Citizens of the E.U. It will not be long before riots will break out all across the world. Democracy as we know it has been hijacked by the elites. There is nothing new about this. It has happened multiple times throughout history. There is only one problem. This time these fools have Nuclear weapons and they are going to use them. Pull up fool.
Buddy you nailed it.👍
Or as Victoria Newland said " FUCK THE EU. "
Tell me a country where there is no corruption? You seem to have an u healthy dislike of the USA.
Among all these people no one is trying to talk peace the west has no morals at all they have more blood in their hands so instead of making peace they're putting more fuel to the the fire already talk peace ✌️
Banks in Europe hold much more equity than do American banks.
Putin's war...how about Bush's war, Blair's war? Such a bias analysis. 😂
Obama only in 2016 managed to throw on civilians 216000 cluster bombs...peacemaker.
This is not how aboutism
Whataboutery. Can’t defend heinous invasions so you have to deflect. This is a debate about Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
Enjoyed the conversation. Admire the panelists appreciating other viewpoints.
Did you enjoyed their speculations? Do someone bother for history? Very elegant the boys. Mr Saran nice socks indeed. Mr Stubb polished as always. That lady has got NO plan. So what did they actually say? Nothing right? Who is paying for that?
NATO assaulted Yugoslavia and bombed it for 78 days straight. They murdered thousands of people and reduced entire neighborhoods and towns to rubble. They bombed news agency buildings and murdered journalists. NATO bombed Libya for 45 days until the government collapsed and al-Qaeda (aka The Libyan Fighting Group) took over. NATO bombed and killed Afghani men, women and children wholesale for 20 years . US-led NATO forces are occupying Syria and stealing Syrian oil and preventing its reconstruction. All this, yet they have the gall to demonize Russia!! Pathological!
How can people that are on a world stage be this delusional? They are omitting so much of the context that their observations are skewed.
👏sameer thank you for articulating exactly how I feel ❤️❤️❤️
Sameer is on fire... 🔥🔥🔥
Russia certainly isn't politically and economically isolated.
Samir Saran, you beauty! 👏🏻👏🏻
With respect, every Indian comment in here is wildly nationalistic.
@@TedATL1 Ain't that the truth...!!!
Great response by Samir
Brillaint and insightful. My compliments esp to Mr Sameer Saran for his clarity
The west and Russia need to sit down and come up with an acceptable to all solution .
however, It’s much more difficult at this stage .
Unfortunately , the warmongers
will continue to have their day and are prepared to sacrifice many many more young lives on all sides for their
own power and prestige .
The war mongers being Blinken, Sutherland, NULAND, Boltom, and DORIS Johnson and his side kick Misstrust.
somewhere europe has grow out of the mindset that europe problem are the world but world problem isnt their problem if the war was some in the world they wouldnt care that much
Look at yemen)) totally agree, look at Palestine, today israel said that will bomb Syria, where is sanctiones in israel, bias western world
Too soon to make that mistake of precluding Russia's absence from future. One may like to see the future with absence of US, UK, China or say Germany for example from dominance from future. Again, assuming the entitlement of sitting in complete control forever has brought US allies out from the room, may not be the building. The institutions made by US and UK are, if anything, not founded on a peaceful future. It must have warring as its key business and the reasons would keep changing, then there are divisions and the reasons would keep evolving. The world is getting closer to ethics and reading the unethical within it, with time, and reading it loudly now, is the real truth that is most discomforting to those who sit with assumptions.
NATO assaulted Yugoslavia and bombed it for 78 days straight. They murdered thousands of people and reduced entire neighborhoods and towns to rubble. They bombed news agency buildings and murdered journalists. NATO bombed Libya for 45 days until the government collapsed and al-Qaeda (aka The Libyan Fighting Group) took over. NATO bombed and killed Afghani men, women and children wholesale for 20 years . US-led NATO forces are occupying Syria and stealing Syrian oil and preventing its reconstruction. All this, yet they have the gall to demonize Russia!! Pathological!
Sameer on point
Samir nailed it, he cleared all doubts about india
utter hypocrite and ignorant as you can get!!
Good discussion, but I can tell the Indian guy is a little bias when it comes to China. It seems he wants European cooperation with India to take down China. But on the rest he was alright.
I think that is obvious. After galwan we dont exactly have a high opinion for china.
Key word 👉 "the way USA respond against Russia" same would happen in case of China also or any other countries trust me when comes to financial institutions i deal with this everyday......
We Indians don't trust European or Western Countries and that's a fact, so there is no point of a cooperation with europe to take down China.
America has waged war far often for far too little
For a multipolar world china is inevitable .. India can't underestimate china like the west did with china..
Its all about a balance . don't push too hard so that the equilibrium is maintained .
Alex and Sameer saran are good 👍
Double standards Great slaps Samir
Samir represents the emergence of a confident Bharat which can analyse the world scenario from an Indian/ Asian perspective. Western Europe never reacted to the growing Chinese out reach in Europe particularly Eastern. Was it also trying to get out of American fold before it got the COVID and Ukrainian jolt. We are witnessing the emergence of regional powers which shall have moderate dependence on other powers so that weopanisation of " taken for granted" financial orders is less painfull.
Before 2014 therre was no dimpolmat as per papu bhakat
Samir Saran is on fire 🔥
@North Korea Is Best Korea whatever Russia did is totally wrong and unacceptable but please check history and biggest violator of rule based law and human rights is USA in the world because a country from Europe is suffering then global human rights and law are things are highlighted what about Syria, Libya , Afghanistan, Uganda that have been destroyed by NATI forces it is just that if usa & it’s allies invade then they are doing great work and if some others does this they cry human rights and this hypocrisy of west has been exposed in this war and I feel pity for European countries except Germany and France rest all are puppet of usa and these countries also can’t be called sovereign nation and I want answer what does people of Ukraine got due to rhetoric of leaders of Ukraine to join NATO political elite class of Ukraine will survive or they may run to western nations for shelters in case of extreme situation but it’s the people of Ukraine that are suffering due to west and Russia and also to some extent because of incapable leaders in Ukraine who are just west puppet
@North Korea Is Best Korea you yourself accepted that west commits crimes and crime committed by west east india china Russia all should be condemned equally and if west doesn’t take Asia seriously then why the hell they have quad or they give importance to Indo pacific region and lastly if Europe is some much considered about Ukraine then they should all kind of trades with Russia but this shows their hypocrisy and also USA has not banned fertilisers and metals form Russia because of metals are banned then why will happen to their profit making defence industry out of war so west is the biggest hypocrite and I also appreciate they few western countries like FRANCE & Germany is trying to end this conflict not like USA who wants this war so they their politicians and defence manufacturers can make money and I don’t want to say but CHINA shows USA the mirror and if Europe and usa has so much care abt human rights then they should question china action in Xingiang and how did covid occur but they can’t do that because they that CHINA will hit them hard and they won’t have face saver also in that scenario
@North Korea Is Best Korea you yourself accepted that west commits crimes and crime committed by west east india china Russia all should be condemned equally and if west doesn’t take Asia seriously then why the hell they have quad or they give importance to Indo pacific region and lastly if Europe is some much considered about Ukraine then they should all kind of trades with Russia but this shows their hypocrisy and also USA has not banned fertilisers and metals form Russia because of metals are banned then why will happen to their profit making defence industry out of war so west is the biggest hypocrite and I also appreciate they few western countries like FRANCE & Germany is trying to end this conflict not like USA who wants this war so they their politicians and defence manufacturers can make money and I don’t want to say but CHINA shows USA the mirror and if Europe and usa has so much care abt human rights then they should question china action in Xingiang and how did covid occur but they can’t do that because they that CHINA will hit them hard and they won’t have face saver also in that scenario
@North Korea Is Best Korea why should india vote in favour of Ukraine when Ukraine over the years have voted against india and at the same time Russia has always stood in support of india and also you can’t expect india to everyone do what west thinks we are sovereign nation not like few European countries who are just puppet and also india is sending medicines and humanitarian aid to Ukraine not weapons like western countries and also india always sends humanitarian aid to countries when required we sent vaccine doses to various countries around the work not like western countries which didn’t sent vaccine to poor nations and hoarded it so that they can make profit out of human suffering so please don’t lecture india and also india has some issues and india also commits some blunders but we accept it not like west who are king pin of hypocrisy and best at profit making out of human suffering
@North Korea Is Best Korea I have said that no one is saint it’s just you people don’t accept western flaws because of colonial mindset and expects everyone to follow you but China shows you the mirror
*I'm trying to figure out why the Unites States is involved with this conflict. The USA already has way too many problems and should be focusing on curing and correcting the problems at home. This is a European Issue.*
ah samir saran ji knocked out every coming questions . that was hilarious on US, which he said .
Why Farhan Akhtar has been invited here 😂😂
Good one but start thinking beyond bollywood
@@vijaypoola8733 his voice literally sounds like him all I could hear was pichle sat dino mei meine khoya kabhi khud pe hassa mei kabhi mei roya nana na na na nana
@Freedom haven't watched a bollywood movie since rockstar when I was in 9th grade geopolitics and agrinomics are my thing now
@@mac.505 not just his voice but even the way he is talking sounds like Farhan
I wish Lavrov was there, what is that Lady doing there. The west ( USA) has to accept that times are changing and Russia has a lot of friends wether they like it or not
I believe, I'll enjoy of watching this video in November of 2022. Such arrogance and ignorance of Europe will be punished again how it did happen in 1946-1949 within Nuremberg process. One question only, why history lesson hasn't learnt.
Remind me in November. 😄🇪🇺
@@jansix4287 😉 teaching how to use calendar apps. Not too expensive. Discount for EU.😁
dude. you do understand that Europe is the one that ran the Nuremberg process. Good lord. Are you even literate?
@@lembergnative7731 lol. Sure I barely literate. I wouldn't be surprised if you say US won WW2. Check facts and map, dude. And maybe you'll find something interesting about where's Germany on the map, dude. And who sat in the dock. And what nations avoided it, participating in WW2 on the side of Nazy Germany. Btw, talking about Finland, dude.
@@lembergnative7731 lol. Sure I barely literate. I wouldn't be surprised if you say US won WW2. Check facts and map, dude. And maybe you'll find something interesting about where's Germany on the map, dude. And who sat in the dock. And what nations avoided it, participating in WW2 on the side of Nazy Germany. Btw, talking about Finland, dude.
...they did not discuss matters like NATO (America) instigated all this, but overall I think Samir is the only one talking sense. At one point or two Alex was smirking, an indication of embarrassment or a feeling of being uncomfortable. lol
no that's just an assumption
Samir Saran u beauty
For a guy with Farhan Akhtar's voice, Samir Saran is really smart.
9:20 correction, he is a western pariah, not an international pariah
Well said, Farhan Akhtar.
Good one. 👍
This is so much crap. Everytime I cut on the internet all I see is Russar taking land and winning battles but the first thing I hear from these so called experts is that Russar can't win. It's like they are asking me, "who am I going to belive them are my own lying eyes".
Mr. Saran is the only wise person in this video!
Congratulations Mr Bremmer for a robust discussion!
None of the Western nations even uttered a word when China invaded India in Ladakh. An area with which it has no historical or legal links.
These are disputed area's
Best solution is to walk Zelenski out into Maidan Square, wearing nothing but high-heels and a speedo, for a Tiki Torch Parade, Dracula style
I suggest we instead put up a statue with Zelenskyy in Moscow. So the liars there can see how a true hero looks like! 🙂
Bhai ne point Bola !! Lekin ye log apni Galti nhi manege
Good Day and Happy Weakend
I’m pleased that some people are ALLOWED to speak their minds, we need to hear these opinions rather than the MSM rubbish. There will be much ‘talk’ before the fog clears and we will see what has happened to change our world.
As a Russian it bothers me that you don't allow Russians to talk.
you are always ALLOWED didnt you know, its the " free world"
@@greglitvinov422 It's what you think, but I don't see anybody from Russia on this panel.
To say that this is Putin war just show how powerful the information war is, and how shalow the speaker to not take deeper and other point' of view.
Have any of you ever thought that this war could hv easily avoided. Ultimately everyone will blame the instigator of this war.
There exists no other single solution than peaceful negotiations and Realism, or Realpolitik à la Wilkly Brandt
No one in this meeting matters whatsoever to any side. All clowns plus 10 that don't know nothing lmfao!
If only the Russians would announce what their intentions were! Like say some TV announcement on the matter?
Zelensky was elected on 73% of the vote promising a peaceful settlement along the lines of Minsk II.
Putin "Ladies and gentlemen hear me out i have some announcements to make"🥴
As of today 11 June 2022, the Barent Seas boils with the military signs.
I hope they had an ambulance ready for the guy asking questions about Putin's health. He appeared ready to keel over any minute.
The Finns knows what he's saying by acknowledging half of the world population might think differently.....
A debate about what russia thinks without any russians dummest discusion ever
They don't know what's going on but are still discussing about
22:00 perfect answer started
Is it me or he sounds like Farah Akhtar
Russia controls 20% about to encircle Uke forces in Donbas & hold half the southern coastline
Samir was so accurate on his points, the Finnish guy showed a strong skills on balancing his country's interests and his own opinions while respecting the opinions of others. The lady was 🤔
Samir Saran you represented as well . .but I would shake hand with Putin for nailing down the west .
Surprisingly weak they took over 30% of the country fighting against a nato trained country with live nato strategy and nato intelligence.
With 3x less force and peacetime army
10x manpower & weapons? Seems important.
Samir was bit off balance, but yes Europeans have ways to keep calm and try to get under our skin....we need to take deep breath and take their non-inclusive ideology step by step...
Look he is not a foreign minister nor any part of Ruling government so its an issue here
So he has that extra freedom to express the factual on ground
Saran words had lot of depth those who follows geo politics and history.
If you don't understand the West better don't comment next time
Thanks my brother, "The west need to do away with medical analysis of Putin".
Oh boy !