Just to clear up a couple of things.... .1 =480hp, .2 =500hp, .2 S PDK =530 GT2 is actually the last Mezgar turbo ... today about $450K Differences between .1 and .2... .1 Mezgar engine.. has coolant pipe issues.. easily modded for high HP, some say it sounds better than the DFI, drives more like an AWD drive car. .2 DFI engine which is the starting point for current engines and bullet proof with no known issues, updated interior with touch screen PCM that still looks fresh (black plastic dash fascia vs gray, updated switch gear but the seats and rest are basically the same), different and less intrusive AWD system that returns the car feeling more rear wheel biased and better handling, revised rear suspension again for handling, different tail lights with the addition of LED. In today’s market, the .1 manual is a great value whereas a .2 car would be $20K+++and climbing more if you can find one for sale... it will be the collector as only 480 (give or take) were made 2010-13 A 2009 is considered a .2 car as it gets the lighting and interior upgrade with the carryover Mezgar engine ( I can’t confirm that it got the updated suspension and AWD but I doubt it.)... it would be a nice collector as it has nice bits from both versions...a straight .1 manual turbo is a car that you won’t lose money on...buy it drive it and enjoy it... or consider a .2 Turbo S PDK ... they are really really fast and have a much more comprehensive list of options as standard ... lastly, the .1 tiptronic turbo is the absolute bargain. Nobody is paying attention to these cars... it’s a Mercedes tranny and it works really well with the Turbo motor. I hope this is helpful... I have a 2010 TT MT cabriolet that I’ve put black electrical tape over the odometer because I can’t bare to watch the mileage go up as I love driving it so much! It truly is a car that you would daily drive... (but if you live in the city... get the PDK)... stay well
The 997.2 turbo has a completely different engine compared to 997.1. Also it has other improvements in suspension etc The 997.2 manual is the one to have and really rare car. The best to be collectable
This is the pinnacle Porsche in my eyes. It was another perfectly well thought out review. A few years back, I drove a friend’s (quite affordable) 996 turbo. I wanted one so much. I explained and justified it with my wife. Instead we bought new curtains. I think I keep my ‘87 Carrera for spite. Thanks for the video.
That’s Right!! It’s not always about maximum horsepower!! Rather, the total driving experience w/a manual gear box! Very informative video, Sir! Thank You! 🇺🇸
Have this color combo in a 2008 manual cabriolet. Topless version just makes it that much sweeter on a warm sunny day 😎 Great video reviews on the 997 with great background info. I almost traded it in 2 yrs ago. Thank God I kept it. Its so rare to see one for sale! Freaked out the first time I saw the new 997 when It came out years ago and vowed I would one day own one. The best overall 911 shape in their history. Had my ECU tweaked last year and its well over 500hp now. Crazy fun!
2009 is a great year and definitly a bit more rare. 2009 was deep into the recession in the US and I believe only 226(ish) 6-spd coupes were made for the market.
i LOVE this specific years of Porsches i was about to enter HighSchool around 2007-2008 and THIS is my favorite looking 911 🤩 it still looks sooo bad ass!
This is my favorite generation of the 911. Always loved the bugeye headlights, reminded me of the 2002-2003 wrx bugeye....yes i know weird comparison, but loved both cars haha.
I own a 997.1 tiptronic. Before buying i tried both manual and tt. Im usually a manual guy and on the net they say go for the manual, but im glad i drove the tt too... I never would expect i liked the tt more! I think for this kind of of car with this powerband, unless you use it on the track or mountain roads daily, the tt is the best choise. Also mine is tuned stage 1, its a simple and save tune to do and it adds 50 bhp and 100 nm. The clutch of the manual is not strong enough for even stage one and it will slip. Its not just the 0.2 seconds faster standard, compared to the manuel, but after this simple tune its arrount 1 second faster and this means all the world, than its soo much faster and a greater joy to drive than the manual!! Dont believe the hype, if your intrested in one of these i strongly suggest you drive both! Either way you cant go wrong, the last Mezger engine will be a collectable car, manual or tt!
the manual is lighter, more robust and way easier & cheaper to service and with a better clutch it can handle all the torque you can reasonably throw at it Tip indeed accelerates significantly faster because it keeps the turbos whizzing You'd need a syvecs ECU with open throttle shifting to challenge the tip
Agreed. I have a 997.1 tip as well and people crap on it all the time. But those people have never driven it. It's a good transmission and you can go much quicker (actually 0.3 sec 0-60 per the owner manual) than the manual and if you're interested in modding it for more power it can hold way more than the manual. I miss rowing gears sometimes but I also like that my car is still lightning fast and I don't have to worry about shifting gears or mis-shifts and over-revs on the engine. To each his own I suppose. But I agree, the looks, speed and timeless design will make it a classic. I don't like the body style of the new ones except for the GT variants.
Nice one. I have a 996 turbo S. Manual with titanium x pipe(540hp)Cobb tune. Fun cars. Mine just turned 28k miles,but I will start driving it alot soon. It’s rare only 1500 made. Cheers
Nice review and spec however when comparing the 997.1 turbo to the 997.2 turbo (2009 models and beyond), there are a lot more differences than just the PCM.
@@957cayennes 997.2 Turbo has no dry sump system, so 997.1 Turbo is much more serious and better. 997.2 Only GT3 has a Mezger engine swith dry sump till.
I'll always take a slower manual transmission car over a faster auto or auto style everyday of the week! Unless you're on a track, driving is about engagement, not just going fast. in my 30 years of driving, I've never found any auto/PDK/DSG?WTF?(lol) that engages a driver like a car where you row your own! Hell my daily is manual Honda Fit Sport, and being such a low power car, half the fun is ringing it out on your own. A slush box in a low horsepower car is just brutal!
Limit beep is adjusted/disabled via the multifunction stalk through the dash menu. Yeah, 40km/h is a hilarious speed. Maybe the owner missing having the silly upshift fuel efficiency lights we used to get in the 1990s.
Just reviewed my new-to-me Guards Red 997.1 Turbo in 6MT on my channel. The car is *almost* completely stellar. Warp speed fast (mine has an ARP tune) and so so so gorgeous. Downside of the manual: clutch feel is vague and needs improvement.
.1 cars will have coolant pipe issues that require an engine drop...no IMS bearing issues. .2 cars have the DFI engine that has no known issues...the last real Mezgar turbo was a GT2.
@@Motormouth... That's not true. I have a 997.1. They have many issues, though not as bad as the IMS in the 996. The coolant epoxy failure, spun camshafts which will eventually happen to both banks, leaky gaskets for the tip transmission, master cylinder/slave issues for the manual, deployable rear wing failures. I have had most of these in my 14 years of ownership. At the end of the day it's still a porsche and not a honda. It will break down and you need to remember you're buying what was once a $140K top end German sports car and will pay accordingly for service and repair.
997.2 automatic has 6 speed PDK while 997.1 automatic has 5 speed Mercedes tiptronic Furthermore these have completely different engines (GT1 based vs 9A1 DFI)
I have a 997.1 Tip. People knock it but I love it. Smooth, fast and at a light I can still hang with most of todays super fast cars because of the quick accelerations and brake torquing which of course you can't do in a manual. I miss the manual sometimes but that rush of just dropping the accelerator and holding on for life can't be beat. And the other commenter is right, 997.1 was the last of the Metzger race derived engines. 997.2 was DFI, computer derived engine.
If you prefer an automatic gearbox then yes because the PDK blows away the tiptronic but if you want a 6sp manual then this one is more durable, more tunable and more value for money
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This 14 year old car is much more beautiful and appealing than much of today’s offerings.
@Ryder Chandler creep
@Arlie Rockefeller loser
Thank God for these clips to keep us alive in between hearing about "exciting sport SUVs " !!
This was my favorite generation of the 911 and the 911 Turbo.
Mine too! Such a beautiful example of what a Porsche should be.
Just to clear up a couple of things....
.1 =480hp, .2 =500hp, .2 S PDK =530
GT2 is actually the last Mezgar turbo ... today about $450K
Differences between .1 and .2...
.1 Mezgar engine.. has coolant pipe issues.. easily modded for high HP, some say it sounds better than the DFI, drives more like an AWD drive car.
.2 DFI engine which is the starting point for current engines and bullet proof with no known issues, updated interior with touch screen PCM that still looks fresh (black plastic dash fascia vs gray, updated switch gear but the seats and rest are basically the same), different and less intrusive AWD system that returns the car feeling more rear wheel biased and better handling, revised rear suspension again for handling, different tail lights with the addition of LED.
In today’s market, the .1 manual is a great value whereas a .2 car would be $20K+++and climbing more if you can find one for sale... it will be the collector as only 480 (give or take) were made 2010-13
A 2009 is considered a .2 car as it gets the lighting and interior upgrade with the carryover Mezgar engine ( I can’t confirm that it got the updated suspension and AWD but I doubt it.)... it would be a nice collector as it has nice bits from both versions...a straight .1 manual turbo is a car that you won’t lose money on...buy it drive it and enjoy it... or consider a .2 Turbo S PDK ... they are really really fast and have a much more comprehensive list of options as standard ...
lastly, the .1 tiptronic turbo is the absolute bargain. Nobody is paying attention to these cars... it’s a Mercedes tranny and it works really well with the Turbo motor.
I hope this is helpful... I have a 2010 TT MT cabriolet that I’ve put black electrical tape over the odometer because I can’t bare to watch the mileage go up as I love driving it so much! It truly is a car that you would daily drive... (but if you live in the city... get the PDK)... stay well
The 997.2 turbo has a completely different engine compared to 997.1. Also it has other improvements in suspension etc
The 997.2 manual is the one to have and really rare car. The best to be collectable
09 is Metzger, just with new interior and infotainment. Best of both worlds.
This is the pinnacle Porsche in my eyes. It was another perfectly well thought out review. A few years back, I drove a friend’s (quite affordable) 996 turbo. I wanted one so much. I explained and justified it with my wife. Instead we bought new curtains. I think I keep my ‘87 Carrera for spite. Thanks for the video.
If I show her and try justifying this one (997)... I might end having to buy new kitchen cabinets!
911 turbo with a stick...listen to that shifting sound at 6:57!!! LOVE IT!!!😍😍
That’s Right!! It’s not always about maximum horsepower!! Rather, the total driving experience w/a manual gear box! Very informative video, Sir! Thank You! 🇺🇸
I now own this car...LOOOOVE IT!! 13 th 911 I have owned ..my Fav!!!
Congrats man, did you get this specific car from Corcars?
@@Motormouth... yes, this exact Car. I have been friends with Core for 20 years. BTW it is everything you said it was!!
Have this color combo in a 2008 manual cabriolet.
Topless version just makes it that much sweeter on a warm sunny day 😎
Great video reviews on the 997 with great background info. I almost traded it in 2 yrs ago. Thank God I kept it. Its so rare to see one for sale!
Freaked out the first time I saw the new 997 when It came out years ago and vowed I would one day own one. The best overall 911 shape in their history.
Had my ECU tweaked last year and its well over 500hp now. Crazy fun!
2009 is a great year and definitly a bit more rare. 2009 was deep into the recession in the US and I believe only 226(ish) 6-spd coupes were made for the market.
Interesting to hear so few were made. Do you have a source for that number?
Interesting. I didn't realize so few were made in 2009. Similarly, 997.2 Turbos weren't very numerous either, especially with manual.
i LOVE this specific years of Porsches
i was about to enter HighSchool around 2007-2008 and THIS is my favorite looking 911 🤩 it still looks sooo bad ass!
997 is still beautiful in today
This is my favorite generation of the 911. Always loved the bugeye headlights, reminded me of the 2002-2003 wrx bugeye....yes i know weird comparison, but loved both cars haha.
I own a 997.1 tiptronic. Before buying i tried both manual and tt. Im usually a manual guy and on the net they say go for the manual, but im glad i drove the tt too...
I never would expect i liked the tt more!
I think for this kind of of car with this powerband, unless you use it on the track or mountain roads daily, the tt is the best choise.
Also mine is tuned stage 1, its a simple and save tune to do and it adds 50 bhp and 100 nm.
The clutch of the manual is not strong enough for even stage one and it will slip.
Its not just the 0.2 seconds faster standard, compared to the manuel, but after this simple tune its arrount 1 second faster and this means all the world, than its soo much faster and a greater joy to drive than the manual!!
Dont believe the hype, if your intrested in one of these i strongly suggest you drive both!
Either way you cant go wrong, the last Mezger engine will be a collectable car, manual or tt!
the manual is lighter, more robust and way easier & cheaper to service and with a better clutch it can handle all the torque you can reasonably throw at it
Tip indeed accelerates significantly faster because it keeps the turbos whizzing
You'd need a syvecs ECU with open throttle shifting to challenge the tip
Agreed. I have a 997.1 tip as well and people crap on it all the time. But those people have never driven it. It's a good transmission and you can go much quicker (actually 0.3 sec 0-60 per the owner manual) than the manual and if you're interested in modding it for more power it can hold way more than the manual. I miss rowing gears sometimes but I also like that my car is still lightning fast and I don't have to worry about shifting gears or mis-shifts and over-revs on the engine. To each his own I suppose. But I agree, the looks, speed and timeless design will make it a classic. I don't like the body style of the new ones except for the GT variants.
This is the car I think when I'm driving my 997.1 911S.
Love it. I had a 997.2 Turbo PDK black. Bought used loved it for 4 years then I sold it for the same price that I bought it for. Now I miss it.... :(
Not all manuals are made equal, but Honda, Mazda, and Porsche reportedly make/install good ones.
love all your Porsche reviews
My God is gorgeous ,ultimate driving machine no matter 991 992 .
997 turbo is simply the best!
I bought one of these and already made 20k. They will keep going up.
this is the way
Best engine generation Porsche ever made bar maybe the legendary 959
Nice one. I have a 996 turbo S. Manual with titanium x pipe(540hp)Cobb tune. Fun cars. Mine just turned 28k miles,but I will start driving it alot soon. It’s rare only 1500 made. Cheers
Great vid ! Now I’m looking for a 928!
Aces, Zack - love this one.
Just subscribed; a great, simple and honest review!
Thanks for the sub!
Thank you so much for this!
You're so welcome!
Nice review and spec however when comparing the 997.1 turbo to the 997.2 turbo (2009 models and beyond), there are a lot more differences than just the PCM.
He was comparing the 997.1 2009 to the previous model years not to the 997.2 DFI
997.2 is pretty much a completly new car compared to 997.1. 997.2 is pretty much the 991.1 before the 991.1 was even a thing.
@@957cayennes 997.2 Turbo has no dry sump system, so 997.1 Turbo is much more serious and better. 997.2 Only GT3 has a Mezger engine swith dry sump till.
@@a_88_ 997.1 has no PDK gearbox.
I'll always take a slower manual transmission car over a faster auto or auto style everyday of the week! Unless you're on a track, driving is about engagement, not just going fast. in my 30 years of driving, I've never found any auto/PDK/DSG?WTF?(lol) that engages a driver like a car where you row your own! Hell my daily is manual Honda Fit Sport, and being such a low power car, half the fun is ringing it out on your own. A slush box in a low horsepower car is just brutal!
Still looks great after more than a decade.
Great video
Great information and video
Awesome video as always. Sorry to all about the speed warning chime 😎.
I was looking on Porsche Canada, you can’t get manual on any of the 911 anymore?
Yes, on many but not the turbo and some GT cars
GREAT VIDEO! Do more of these and your viewership will skyrocket! So refreshing vs. yet another small boring SUV review :)
Limit beep is adjusted/disabled via the multifunction stalk through the dash menu. Yeah, 40km/h is a hilarious speed. Maybe the owner missing having the silly upshift fuel efficiency lights we used to get in the 1990s.
no accidents? the front fender doesnt match at all
What are the details on the shifter?
Just reviewed my new-to-me Guards Red 997.1 Turbo in 6MT on my channel. The car is *almost* completely stellar. Warp speed fast (mine has an ARP tune) and so so so gorgeous. Downside of the manual: clutch feel is vague and needs improvement.
Sachs 2.5
9min ago! Good video as always!
Love this car but that aftermarket shifter needs to go.
It needs to stay - Why do you think it was put on the car in the first place! - Only weak link on a Gen 1 997 imho.
@@MagicAyrtonforever really? I thought it was the IMS bearings?
@@johnnykwon8173 turbos aren’t affected by this
@@Stuart3162 no motor, no exhaust, no exhaust, no powered turbines. Ask Singh the bounty hunter if you believe that I be mistaken.
Tell me about another super car that has a 300$ maintenance cost per year
Do these 997 Turbos have the same engine issues as the regular 997s?
Nope
My friend this is the best engine Porsche ever built.
.1 cars will have coolant pipe issues that require an engine drop...no IMS bearing issues. .2 cars have the DFI engine that has no known issues...the last real Mezgar turbo was a GT2.
@@Motormouth... That's not true. I have a 997.1. They have many issues, though not as bad as the IMS in the 996. The coolant epoxy failure, spun camshafts which will eventually happen to both banks, leaky gaskets for the tip transmission, master cylinder/slave issues for the manual, deployable rear wing failures. I have had most of these in my 14 years of ownership. At the end of the day it's still a porsche and not a honda. It will break down and you need to remember you're buying what was once a $140K top end German sports car and will pay accordingly for service and repair.
@@mak23997 camshafts that haven't spun before 60k miles won't likely have that issue
Perfect
NICE!!!
First thing after you purchase this car...put the factory original shifter back in.
The 997.2 tiptronic with 5 speed Mercedes gearbox was actually smoother than the first 991 with PDK box
997.2 automatic has 6 speed PDK while 997.1 automatic has 5 speed Mercedes tiptronic
Furthermore these have completely different engines (GT1 based vs 9A1 DFI)
I have a 997.1 Tip. People knock it but I love it. Smooth, fast and at a light I can still hang with most of todays super fast cars because of the quick accelerations and brake torquing which of course you can't do in a manual. I miss the manual sometimes but that rush of just dropping the accelerator and holding on for life can't be beat. And the other commenter is right, 997.1 was the last of the Metzger race derived engines. 997.2 was DFI, computer derived engine.
The best is the 997.2 manual not the 997.1 manual.
6:22
Bruhhhhhhh
シフトノブが変・・
I'd rather have the PDK that came out a couple years after this car.
If you prefer an automatic gearbox then yes because the PDK blows away the tiptronic but if you want a 6sp manual then this one is more durable, more tunable and more value for money