Indigenous Weapons and Tactics of King Philip's War

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
  • Native American living historians Drew Shuptar-Rayvis and Dylan Smith help me explore the military history of King Philip's War from the indigenous perspective.
    Special thanks to Jonathan of ‪@TheFarOffStation‬!
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    ~REFERENCES~
    [1] Richard Slotkin & James K. Folsom. So Dreadful a Judgment: Puritan Responses to King Philip's War, 1676-1677 (1978). Wesleyan University Press, Page 60-63
    [2] Slotkin & Folsom, Page 244
    [3] Benjamin Church. Entertaining Passages Relating to King Philip’s War, Tercentenary Edition (1975). Pequot Press, Page 148
    [4] Church, Page 156
    [5] Slotkin & Folsom, Page 325

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  • @DaytimeAce
    @DaytimeAce Год назад +3055

    As an Indigenous person (Atikameksheng Anishinaabe), it's really important for me to see you bring in our voices to conversations like this. It's too often that we're talked about abstractly by people who don't understand who we are and what we come from, so it's really nice to see you bring in Indigenous voices! Meegwetch!

    • @deatman5843
      @deatman5843 Год назад +131

      I agree. I'm an indigenous person as well (Gwichyaa Gwichʼin from Alaska) and I'm really happy to see indigenous voices brought into historical conversation. This video was very well done, and I feel the subject matter was handled with a lot of respect. Much of North American history is indigenous history as well, and it makes me happy to see it given consideration.

    • @cleothehermetichermeticist8391
      @cleothehermetichermeticist8391 Год назад +44

      I’m very much only a small part native, but as somebody who does study subjects like pagan religion and Indian history getting the perspective of a member of a community is something that’s extremely important. A lot of content creators and authors don’t even bother, but the fact that Andy goes out of his way to contact academic members of marginalized community is why he’s one of the best history channels on RUclips.

    • @Conn30Mtenor
      @Conn30Mtenor Год назад +4

      @@deatman5843 the wheel turns, however slowly.

    • @Lucidius134
      @Lucidius134 Год назад +24

      @@deatman5843 This always urks me when it comes to watching a lot of content on youtube so i'm glad to see Atun-shei give Drew and Dylan his platform for this, i am looking to see if they have their own channels now. Awesome stuff

    • @PeterBlackBear
      @PeterBlackBear Год назад +27

      Seconded wholeheartedly from the Siletz Reservation out in Oregon (Hanis Coos & Sha’yuushtła in my particular case). We don’t do a lot of living history on this coast, but Dylan and Drew are inspiring. Makes me wish I had reached out to them when I lived back east.

  • @ryanapps903
    @ryanapps903 Год назад +1515

    Atun-Shei, as an AP US History teacher, I must say that your videos have continued to be a source of inspiration for my lesson planning and personally enjoyable to no end. I make sure that King Philip's war is thoroughly addressed as a case study for Colonial-Native relations during Unit 2. We do a document analysis on it trying to unravel the causes of the conflict and the change it brought to both Native and English psyche. Keep it up, man.

    • @stormstaunch6692
      @stormstaunch6692 Год назад +35

      @ryanapps903 As a high school student myself who just took US History last semester, I encourage you to show this video in your class, if at all possible. Atun-Shei makes amazing content, and I’m sure your students (or atleast the ones who don’t spend the whole time scrolling through TikTok on their phones lol) would enjoy this video.

    • @dreamcrusher112
      @dreamcrusher112 Год назад +16

      @@stormstaunch6692 Laudable but few teachers have 35 minutes spare in their curricula to put in a nice video like this. I'm sure has thought about using excerpts.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Год назад +15

      @@dreamcrusher112 they can easily replace one of the old misinformed school videos from the 1970ies-1990ies.

    • @teslashark
      @teslashark Год назад

      I sure wish there's videos like this back in my AP class!

    • @connorperrett9559
      @connorperrett9559 Год назад +4

      @@dreamcrusher112 My APUSH teacher played the entirety of Dances With Wolves one week. Plenty of Shakespeare films getting played in one of my English classes, too. Teachers love putting films on because they get a moment of peace.

  • @BrandonF
    @BrandonF Год назад +147

    The natives being better equipped than the colonists is really surprising to me, given my late-18th Century-onwards perspective. This was a fantastic video! Drew is a really nice guy. Jon deserved it.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Год назад +2

      When was the Doglock replaced, by the way? Was the Land Pattern Musket the first "true" flintlock of the British army, or were there earlier versions?

    • @watchm4ker
      @watchm4ker Год назад +12

      @@Tareltonlives Technically yes, but not for the reason you'd think. There *wasn't* a standard firearm for the British Army prior to the Brown Bess - Each regiment was responsible for procuring its own weapons and equipment, and it often came down to the individual gunsmiths to settle on a 'pattern' firearm that the Regiment would keep for reference. So while regiments could obtain better weapons, they often were stuck with whatever they'd settled on years or decades earlier, regardless of any innovations.

  • @DahcipheR
    @DahcipheR Год назад +877

    The dichotomy of firearm usage between Europe and the Americas was fascinating, and something I never even thought of. Fantastic video!

    • @ANWRocketMan
      @ANWRocketMan Год назад +77

      Similar thing happened in the Boer war(s) in Southern Africa. The Boer (and many free native peoples) hunted for a living. They were well acquinted with using firearms in comparison to city and farm biys from England who only learned to use their guns recently before the wars.

    • @andrewfischer8564
      @andrewfischer8564 Год назад +23

      @@ANWRocketMan why baden powell invented the boy scouts

    • @eazy8579
      @eazy8579 Год назад +41

      European armies were larger and had more of an emphasis on shock assaults and their defense, as well as cannons and fortifications, and as such polearms were still quite prominent right up until the socket bayonet was invented, and as such, Linear tactics and a combined arms were far more prominent than the the more fluid and dynamic warfare where the bayonet and the gun was more critical, especially when the terrain hindered said charges and shock tactics, and so longer ranged engagements with a foe who was skilled at hunting, skirmishing, and marksmanship

    • @rogermwilcox
      @rogermwilcox Год назад +37

      I'm led to wonder if one of the reasons the European farming class wasn't allowed access to firearms was out of fear of a peasant uprising.

    • @margotpreston
      @margotpreston Год назад +21

      @@rogermwilcox Quite likely that was one of the reasons yeah.

  • @sorenrising5880
    @sorenrising5880 Год назад +556

    It's so rare to see the voices of communities involved in historical events centered in modern discussions of them. Keep doing what you do! Few people think to treat King Philip's War with the weight it deserves for all the lives it tore apart.

    • @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506
      @konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 Год назад +26

      I mean this is nice and super interesting and those two men had great insight because of how much they know. But the "communities involved" don't exist anymore. An italian isn't more fit to talk about roman history then a german per se.

    • @sorenrising5880
      @sorenrising5880 Год назад +7

      @@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 Unfortunately, that is very true. I missed their exact origin (the downsides of multitasking).

    • @kylewilliams8114
      @kylewilliams8114 Год назад +35

      @@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 I think that's a little overstating the case. The communities involved were highly reliant on oral histories, which were passed down to the current members of the communities. Context is important for much of anthropology, and speaking with descendants of a community where preservation of culture is important is far more informative than speaking with unrelated people, even if they may be well studied.

    • @AtunSheiFilms
      @AtunSheiFilms  Год назад +178

      ​@@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506 It depends on the community. The Wampanoag are still around (Mashpee and Martha's Vineyard), as are the Nipmuc (they have a cultural center in Groton MA, if I recall correctly). Though others, like the Penacook, the Pocumtuc, and the Massachusett, have either gone extinct or melded into broader New England culture so thoroughly that, while there's some continuity there in terms of kinship and tradition, they're not really distinct communities anymore.

    • @Bildgesmythe
      @Bildgesmythe Год назад +57

      I'm in Canada. The communities still exist. They are still finding the bodies of children who were the victims of colonial atrocities, up to modern times.

  • @walkingcontradiction223
    @walkingcontradiction223 Год назад +373

    "A river that forgets it's source dries up." Thank you for this video, it was outstanding. Certainty glad that no Englishmen were harmed during its filming.

  • @IndigenousHistoryNow
    @IndigenousHistoryNow Год назад +242

    “Without Native history there is no history.” Such a true statement. You cannot fully understand why the US and Canada are the nations they are today without a knowledge of their histories with indigenous peoples

    • @blacksnapper7684
      @blacksnapper7684 Год назад +8

      I disagree with this, without native history there is not NATIVE history, our history is different from theirs because we are not of the same people

    • @tauempire1793
      @tauempire1793 11 месяцев назад +18

      ​@@blacksnapper7684 I counter this because of how intertwined native history is with European settler history. Without native history our history that we know of wouldn't be anything the same in the slightest.

    • @supereliptic
      @supereliptic 11 месяцев назад +10

      @@blacksnapper7684No, that’s not correct. You can argue that point from perhaps the very late 19th century onwards but to try to suggest that the history of Native Americans and European settlers are separate and distinct is absurd. Who presented the challenge against manifest destiny if not Native Americans. Who were the various colonies fighting with when they weren’t fighting themselves? Native Americans. Also, let’s not kid ourselves that the fact that the entire columban exchange, the meeting of European people with the native Americans of the 1490’s who had been isolated for 10,000 years up to that point wasn’t enormously historically significant. It is one of THE most significant event in the history of humanity EVER given its effect on both parties. If you doubt that I’d suggest a book called ‘1493’ which documents this from the year following Columbus’ historic voyage.

    • @TheRealBatCave
      @TheRealBatCave 11 месяцев назад

      It would have been cool if the indigenous tribes had any type of written language, documenting thier history such as wars, history life in general ​@tauempire1793

    • @duaneelliott5194
      @duaneelliott5194 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@TheRealBatCavewe did but europeans destroyed most of it.

  • @warandpoetry9542
    @warandpoetry9542 Год назад +532

    “No Englishmen were harmed in the making off this documentary. A Dutchman got sick and somebody shot a Scot, but that’s it.”

  • @TakedaIesyu
    @TakedaIesyu Год назад +201

    Dude, this is like some high-quality pre-2010 History Channel content. Thank you for bringing Drew and Dylan in to tell their peoples' stories!

    • @narm_greyrunner
      @narm_greyrunner Год назад +12

      I'm so old I remember when the History Channel used to show documentaries.

  • @LevenoZBS
    @LevenoZBS Год назад +519

    I live in Mexico and I hope you can read me. Your videos help beyond what you think. The heritage of colonialism is lived daily here and it is a story that, watching your videos, I learn that all the lands that were once colonies share. We have hard stories, understood only from the point of view of two extreme absurdities. Your videos remind me of the importance of starting to see our past with more mature eyes, it is our responsibility. I will keep that last sentence about “the origin of the river” for the rest of my life. Thank you.

    • @natebox4550
      @natebox4550 Год назад +13

      Talking about Mexico, some Aztec stuff would be really cool, albeit it’s in an entirely different country.

    • @purpleslog
      @purpleslog Год назад +5

      @@natebox4550 I would use the word “interesting” not the word “cool”.

    • @Paragoth
      @Paragoth Год назад +6

      I think I read you perfectly, thank you for sharing.

    • @natebox4550
      @natebox4550 Год назад +9

      @@purpleslog Why? I mean they both work perfectly fine in the sentence, one is more formal sounding maybe. But this is a RUclips comment section, it ain’t formal here.

    • @purpleslog
      @purpleslog Год назад +2

      @@natebox4550 the word cool has a positive connotation. The Aztecs were a terrible horrible society mean by the standards of that day. So I find them interesting, I don’t find them to be cool I never fine towers of skulls, mass executions, and torture killings to be cool.

  • @owaingray3480
    @owaingray3480 Год назад +355

    It's awesome to see the native side of King Philip's War and it's even better that you got these two amazing, very knowledgeable guys to tell it too. I've wanted to see a video like this from you for a while now and having this pop up in my subscription box was like a dream come true. Amazing work as always dude.

  • @tiduswhiteblade8535
    @tiduswhiteblade8535 Год назад +416

    “This is Johnathan.”
    Johnathan: “Hello everyone, I’m-“
    “Shut up, Johnathan! Shut up!”
    I haven’t laughed like that in a while 😂😂😂

    • @reesetorwad8346
      @reesetorwad8346 Год назад +16

      lol, A-S should have said, "bup bup bup, torsos don't talk!"

    • @jony4real
      @jony4real Год назад +30

      Killing Johnathan was a bold choice, but snubbing him by pointing out his "authentic" polyester jacket? Savage!!!

    • @GrudgeyCable
      @GrudgeyCable Год назад +3

      Been nice to have an authentic and respected European perspective as well to show in comparison.

    • @Dave01Rhodes
      @Dave01Rhodes Год назад +18

      @@GrudgeyCableI think the historical accounts fill that role pretty well.

    • @GrudgeyCable
      @GrudgeyCable Год назад +1

      @@Dave01Rhodes it would still have been nice to see it done and done well. There are some out there who do this reenacting or living history but king Philips war isn’t the napoleonic wars. So seeing more of it in the video as a comparison I think would have been awesome. Or maybe just a video about that separately. Would enjoy it equally as much.

  • @jonathanvilario5402
    @jonathanvilario5402 Год назад +165

    Dude, PLEASE do more indiginous history videos! So much of it is under looked, and it's vital we learn and remember the era of colonialism in America

    • @TheRealBatCave
      @TheRealBatCave 11 месяцев назад +3

      Wouldn't it be cool if they developed a written language and recorded thier history, imagine being able to read about the last few thousand years on the continent

  • @barbaros99
    @barbaros99 Год назад +51

    Drew reminds me of all the best history teachers I've even had. He has an infectious energy that just pulls you along and makes you want to listen to everything he has to say.

  • @somedipshtinthecomments2507
    @somedipshtinthecomments2507 Год назад +32

    I feel like too often the Algonquin people are framed almost as a natural hazard when talking about colonial New England, a 'foil' to the English Colonists, rather than the actual complex society of peoples (replete with their own distinct and nuanced culture and collective motivations) that they were and still are. Drew and Dylan did a wonderful job of articulating the indigenous perspective of the period in a way I'd not encountered before, especially with regards to viewing colonialism and the plight of Indigenous peoples as process which is still ongoing even today. I'm very much looking forward to spotting Drew in 'The Sudbury Devil'! Great stuff lads!

  • @one_victory6145
    @one_victory6145 Год назад +113

    Love your work. Indigenous history is a wonderful invitation to think from a more nuanced perspective. Instead of the common 'good guys vs bad guys' narrative, indigenous history reminds us that reality is messy and complex. We need more people bringing them to light. Thanks for letting me listen.

    • @Greggah
      @Greggah Год назад +5

      Yeah, it didnt seem like they pretended the natives were angels and the europeans always assholes- it were people with very different cultures and values, but still very human and sharing a lot of behaviours.

    • @one_victory6145
      @one_victory6145 Год назад +10

      ​​@@Greggah Yup. While I still believe a great historical wrong was done to the indigenous people of America (which the United States should answer for), we tend to overlook their fire, blood, and awe-inspiring triumphs in favor of a white-washed version of history that paints them as passive agents of history. Native Americans are either innocent kumbaya nature hippies, or hopeless victims in modern media.
      The truth is (I personally believe) native Americans are not a monolithic entity, and they were not 'passive' victims. The native Americans were a diverse group of people with agency, and they certainly did not take settler encroachment lying down.
      In a way, learning their nuances reminds me of re-learning who the Vikings were. They tell me that the people of the past were as colorful as the people today.

    • @jeffreygao3956
      @jeffreygao3956 Год назад +1

      That is true but the English/British were still the invaders with the indigenous people defending their homeland.

    • @SirToaster9330
      @SirToaster9330 8 месяцев назад

      Well to be fair, the problem is that is that neutrality when one side is objectively wrong is biased

  • @civilwarwildwest
    @civilwarwildwest Год назад +111

    Holy crap! This is next level! The natives with their kicks regalia, the cinematography, the lingering shots of musket smoke... Good deal, man!

  • @archer260
    @archer260 Год назад +69

    If you brought these guys back to talk about the French Indian War - maybe a deep dive on tactics, the forts, or the movie Last of the Mohicans - I'd damn well watch it. Great guests on the channel, well informed, and awesome chemistry between the four of you.

    • @jeffreygao3956
      @jeffreygao3956 9 месяцев назад +1

      Prompt: 1936 or 1992?

    • @davidmilton5887
      @davidmilton5887 9 месяцев назад

      Wrong.
      These dudes wouldn't know about it.
      The real indians are "black".
      The Narragansett tribe fought with the French.
      The Narragansetts are still here,andxare still "black".
      The Narragansetts look just like Negroes.
      Hmmm.

  • @Terra-YT
    @Terra-YT Год назад +322

    Wow Atun-Shei Films this might be my favourite video of yours yet. You're a total inspiration and actually because of seeing your success I've decided to start making videos too! Keep grinding, your hard work clearly pays off!

  • @christibor8821
    @christibor8821 Год назад +46

    I’ve watched through all of Atun-Shei’s content a few times now and the one issue I have with it is that there isn’t enough.

  • @Kaliburrrr
    @Kaliburrrr Год назад +11

    Mi’kmaq here, thanks for actually covering our history!!!! ❤

    • @jkaiser169
      @jkaiser169 Год назад +3

      Mi'kmaq here also. Family is from Nova Scotia on my mom side.

    • @S3lkie-Gutz
      @S3lkie-Gutz 3 месяца назад

      fellow mi’kmaw represent✊🏽in canada we have a significant military history as well, even in the modern world. for example today there’s a large number of enlisted mi’kmaq soldiers fighting in the frontlines of ukraine as well as a significant number of soldiers who fought in wwii from Miwapek first nation

  • @chezekeeper
    @chezekeeper Год назад +26

    I spent all of my undergrad in archeology studying indigenous use of firearms and military tactics. I wish this video was available back then as a resource for me! Fantastic work really.

  • @toddlucas6073
    @toddlucas6073 Год назад +31

    The only colonist ever hung drawn and quartered for high treason against the king of England was my ancestor Joshua Tefft. He was killed for helping the Narragansetts fight the English at Great Swamp. I'm so proud to be descended from him

    • @jeremiah9575
      @jeremiah9575 Месяц назад

      How do you know you are descended from

  • @chipsdubbo5.56
    @chipsdubbo5.56 Год назад +108

    As a native American in the US (I have my CIB with the Kaw tribe; formerly the Kanza which is what Kansas is named after. I'm also part potawatomi) this is very interesting and I'll enjoy watching this

    • @pinchevulpes
      @pinchevulpes Год назад +3

      Your CIB doesn’t make you native your language and culture does.

    • @chipsdubbo5.56
      @chipsdubbo5.56 Год назад +7

      @@pinchevulpes so anybody that learns the language and culture is automatically native American regardless of blood?

    • @pinchevulpes
      @pinchevulpes Год назад +1

      @@chipsdubbo5.56 you and I both know and outsider would never take the time to do that and if they did welcome aboard lol

    • @pinchevulpes
      @pinchevulpes Год назад +5

      @@chipsdubbo5.56 but if you want to be a jackass about it each individual tribe determines their own membership roll. CIB is a federally mandated document that prescribes a quantum of blood to your ancestry. They were created with the express purpose of tracking if American Indians go extinct.
      There’s no other ethnic group of person in the US that has such a document that prescribes such a blood quantum

    • @chipsdubbo5.56
      @chipsdubbo5.56 Год назад +9

      @@pinchevulpes let me ask this: are you native American by blood? CIB is a good way to prove it. Because I've met a lot of people that like to claim they are native but are "1/16th Cherokee" so a CIB is usually a good way to at least prove you have Indian blood. And I used that to get financial aid in college so it does have some meaning as far as proving your ancestry. Weather you are part of the culture or not is a different story. I'm honestly not sure what got you so triggered lol

  • @Vercingetorix.Fantasia
    @Vercingetorix.Fantasia Год назад +7

    You continue to be the best Source of King Philip's War.
    Being raised in Framingham, my wife in Sudbury, and having settled in Marlborough, the history of this war surrounds me.
    The 1st Natives to receive a "Christian burial" and therefore headstone is less than 100 feet from me.
    I love walking thru the old cemeteries in our area, 1600s thru 1800s. Loads of veterans of this war, and the revolution.
    One of those old cemeteries is located at a defining Battlesite of KPW in Sudbury.

  • @Brunavargen
    @Brunavargen Год назад +93

    Absolutely wonderful video! Always a pleasure when you post another King Philip’s War one. Could we expect more videos on the native perspective?

  • @FuzzyKittenBoots
    @FuzzyKittenBoots Год назад +64

    I love this video so much. So well filmed, so interesting and informative and also such great fun!

  • @sangy80
    @sangy80 Год назад +30

    As an south american (Chilean) I've found this video pretty interesting, and not only maked me reflect about the north american native history, but also the south american natives history. I wanted to tell you that your video motivated me to study history as an adult, I'll definetly read the references of your video to try to better understand the history that you just chared with all of your viewers, as well as to find sources to try to better understand my own natives history. Keep up with the nice work! Thank you!

    • @mrhombreman
      @mrhombreman Год назад +1

      Seems like the sensible thing to do, since many of your compatriots and politicians don’t want to address the historical and contemporary oppression of the mapuche population

    • @sangy80
      @sangy80 Год назад +1

      @@mrhombreman well... they are adressing it since more than a century, is actually a common topic in politics, people in the streets and in the tv or whatever media you use. But the way both sides are adressing it isn't actually friendly. The government usually tries to use the force, raising the tentions and killing inocent mapuches in the process, and, when there's a change of focus, stop using violence and try to use dialogs the politicians get shooted at by the mapuches they're trying to talk with, or those said mapuches start attacking civilians, at best traethening and stealing their stuff at gunpoint, and at worst killing them.
      Is a difficult topic to talk about, even if you have a lot of insight, because both sides have blood of inocent people in their hands, both back in the day and nowadays. Both Chileans and Mapuche civilians have been attacked and killed by both sides, making both sides asking for justice/jail time for those who murdered inocents... and sadly it's hard to imagine this problem being solved any time soon. Mainly because neither of the sides are known for being talkative. Is complicated to get in to an agreement because neither party want to negotiate terms. It isn't in the culture of either side, the Chilean motto is "(either) by reason or force" (por la razón o la fuerza) and neither the pre colonial nor post colonial history of the Mapuches is actually talkative either...
      It's a tough topic that, independent of the side you choose, either you oversimplify it to not to feel a sour taste in the mouth for you justifying the murdering of civilians because "X" is more important than "Y", or you see that there's more than a century of resentment from both sides that have lead people to have radical ideas by their losses and won't accept a midterm to end with the conflict. (Edit: I messed this paragraph of the response for redacting the ideas while mentaly translating it on the go, sorry about it)
      Sorry for the text wall, the TL;DR: I just wanted to clarify that it isn't something that we don't adress, is a common topic, but is a complicated topic and we try to give it the respect that both the topic and the victims deserve. Have a good morning/day/night ^^

    • @mrhombreman
      @mrhombreman Год назад +1

      @@sangy80 I’m sorry, but both-siding chiles colonial and genocidal history with the Mapuche struggle for cultural, social and political rights is really disgusting.

    • @mrhombreman
      @mrhombreman Год назад +2

      @@sangy80 and what you’re saying is just plainly false. Indigenous social movements in chile have very concrete demands for social and cultural change. What they don’t have is political power to implement this change, since all the political power currently and historically is held by European ancestors

    • @sangy80
      @sangy80 Год назад

      @@mrhombreman ok, you're free to get to the conclutions that you want to. I'm not saying my political believes about it because an historical video about natives from NA isn't a place for a devate about my country internal struggles, and you're asuming that I'm shitting on Mapuches for not supporting everything that some of their groups do (because not all the mapuches are in nor support Wallmapu for example). This stuff isn't black and white and because some people got screwed in the past I'm not going to support the murdering either of innocent Mapuches (those who doesn't identifies themselves as Chleans) nor innocent Chileans (wich also includes Mapuches who do identifies themselves as Chileans). Like I said, I'm not willing to oversimplify something that have real and heavy repercutions in the lives of the people in my country and is fucking enfuriating to see some outsider, who know little to nothing of the reality outside of what they see in internet or media, trying to put words in my mouth about what is for us a delicate topic. I'm not asking you to share my point of view, I haven't said my point of view about it, and I don't care what you think about it. I'm just asking you to be respectful about it because there are real people who have died and you were just saying that nobody gives a damn about it when is just the other way around. EVERY ONE IS AFRAID TO FUCK IT MORE. EVERY ONE WANTS IT TO END. But stuff isn't as easy as giving away a fifth of the country away as some fucks would say, and you can't just go ahead and declare war and send the army as other stupid fucks have said already.
      So yeah, Sorry for being rude but you picked a sensitive nerve. I'm not going to respond anymore about this

  • @TomCantDance
    @TomCantDance Год назад +29

    This was a fascinating watch and really well presented by Drew and Dylan as well. It's brilliant to get an indigenous person's view on these events in history and really opened my eyes to a lot of things.

  • @thomaskennedy7512
    @thomaskennedy7512 Год назад +35

    You guys are out here providing the gold-standard for what youtube documentaries should be. Not to mention continuing to bring further awareness to King Philip's War! Awesome work man, easily one of the best!

  • @arthurbriand2175
    @arthurbriand2175 Год назад +75

    Could you do a video on the relationship different native peoples had with the european colonies? The French and Dutch did not have the same rapport with their allied native tribes than the English. Same there were differences between the Southern colonies and New England.

    • @b99b12
      @b99b12 Год назад +13

      There's a quote from Francis Parkman that goes: "Spanish civilization crushed the Indian; English civilization scorned and neglected him; French civilization embraced and cherished him."
      I think that sums it up, but some important things to note: This is an American who came up with that quote in 1835. Spanish and English treatment of Native Americans were much worse than the French for sure, but many who weren't frontiersmen still thought of the Natives as lesser than Europeans. French missionaries thought the Natives were like naive children who needed to be taught catholicism and be civilized before they were truly on equal status with Europeans. Montcalm the French commander in New France during the seven years war (French-Indian war) thought poorly of his native allies and wasn't well versed on their customs leading to the absolute disaster of the English surrender of Fort William Henry where many English troops were killed or taken prisoner which mortified him.
      I don't know a lot about the dutch since I'm Canadian and the Dutch never set foot here, but from what I've studied their main interests were commercial and my guess was they were trying to set up commercial hubs in New England since the solid oaks were perfect for ship masts, the beaver pelts were very lucrative and in high demand in Europe, and if you were trading with the natives you could do it through wampum or easily imported goods from the mainland (axes, lanterns, firearms, gunpowder, ammunition, etc) for land (which First Nations had no concept of owning land so they could be easily tricked into treaties) or said goods.
      The Spanish were absolute monsters under conquistadors who were basically military dictators plundering cities and exploiting local unrest to their advantage. Hernan Cortez and Francisco Pizarro who led the Conquest of the Aztecs and Incas were especially brutal. Although Charles V did worry about the treatment of the indiginous population of the Spanish colonies thanks to Bartolomé de las Casas.
      That's pretty much my knowledge of the different treatments of Native people with Europeans.

    • @samadams8355
      @samadams8355 Год назад +12

      @@b99b12 The French did make a few blunders, probably the most severe of which was when Samuel de Champlain decided to join his Wendat allies in an attack on the Kanienʼkehá꞉ka/Mohawk people. Champlain may not have been aware that despite their early lack of firearms, the Kanienʼkehá꞉ka were rich and powerful and were part of the mighty Haudenosaunee Confederacy, which would soon trade for arms with the English and Dutch. This resulted in the near-extinction of the Wendat, and the Haudenosaunee becoming powerful enemies of the French and allies of the English during most of early colonial history.

    • @paulastiles5507
      @paulastiles5507 Год назад +4

      @@b99b12 The Dutch did get up into Canada. I had an ancestor who was captured and adopted into a Mohawk clan near Niagara. He married the chieftain's daughter (according to his account, anyway), had at least one son, and eventually returned to what is now NYC. The Dutch and the French (and some Scots) were integral to the fur trade and were relatively decent toward indigenous peoples, though the French Crown, had no qualms about using the latter as shock troops in its wars with England. The Spanish and Portuguese treatment varied...a lot.
      The big difference is that the English brought entire families and had a special horror of intermarriage with indigenous people, whereas even the Spanish intermarried regularly with indigenous people (though they had a strict caste system pretty much from the start). The French and the Dutch "went native" pretty often, especially early on. They regularly married indigenous women, who acted as important ambassadors between indigenous and Europeans, and became the ancestors of the Metis. There is no comparable Anglo class to Mestizos or Metis.

    • @S3lkie-Gutz
      @S3lkie-Gutz Год назад +1

      @@samadams8355 the inuit of central and eastern arctic in so called canada suffered at the hands of all three, from the hudson’s bay company to the jesuits catholics anglicans and morovians, the french were just as awful as the dutch and english colonial powers if not worse at times

  • @enak413
    @enak413 Год назад +22

    This stuff is fascinating to me. I live in Easthampton Mass. near the sight of a small village called Pascommuck that was wiped out by Natives in 1704

  • @MrGamerGuy951
    @MrGamerGuy951 Год назад +10

    I love all of this so much. I’m a fantasy author and a viking age reenactor and my partner is Swampy Cree. She wants to rediscover her culture and chart her own way. She’s going to love
    this

  • @foxyboiiyt3332
    @foxyboiiyt3332 Год назад +44

    Love these videos. Being Irish with a great interest in History this is an era and area that I knew very little about. Keep up the excellent work 👏

    • @coleparker
      @coleparker Год назад

      One thing you might want to know being Irish, is that when the southern colonial settle Jamestown was set up along with Martins Hundred, they planned it's layout and defenses based upon experiences when the Scots and English moved into Northern Ireland.

  • @9171paladin
    @9171paladin Год назад +4

    I respect the fact that he acknowledged the there are not good guys or bad guys. History is bloody and unmerciful.

  • @pirateninjaalliance
    @pirateninjaalliance Год назад +8

    As much as I love your other content, I am here for your King Philip's War and Puritan content more than anything else. Thank you for shedding more light on this underrepresented chapter of American history.

  • @ZytphenA
    @ZytphenA Год назад +43

    ❤🎉 Love from Denmark - I find your history ‘lessons’ so very interesting and rewatchable. Thank you for your hard work.

    • @danitron4096
      @danitron4096 Год назад +1

      Lad os håbe han laver noget om Danske immigranter til USA😄

    • @ZytphenA
      @ZytphenA Год назад

      @@danitron4096 Dansk vest indiske øer / Virgin islands would be the obvious choice - it’s not very flattering to Denmark; but I think it would be super intereresting for an episode, not to mention important history.

  • @Cavemanner
    @Cavemanner Год назад +8

    This was incredible! The passion and surety with which Drew and Dylan spoke brought a lot of energy to an already highly engaging channel. And I love that you reigned in your talkative nature to give them the space to speak at whatever length they needed. Not only are you a great historian and presenter, turns out you can give a mean interview as well! Mad respect, Andy!

  • @talitek
    @talitek Год назад +7

    Thanks to all involved in this video! As a Brit we rarely get taught any history from the New World outside of events that took place in the late 19th and 20th centuries - learning about native history, and especially King Philip's War, has been incredibly eye-opening for me.
    I especially love the breakdown of the outfits worn by Drew and Dylan; material culture is absolutely fascinating.

  • @pustak
    @pustak Год назад +13

    Excellent work, as always! I am a High School history teacher in Massachusetts and I try very hard to get across the complicated, morally-grey, and troubling aspects of our heritage. This kind of compelling and well-researched resource is hard to come by, and your work in this area is deeply appreciated. Going to go email this video to my Department now...

  • @Stoneworks
    @Stoneworks Год назад +15

    This is such a cool video, thank you for showing Drew and Dylan's living history to the internet, I love it

  • @mrfox5780
    @mrfox5780 Год назад +25

    I've always been hungering for the native perspective in every era of American history, sadly there's very few videos on RUclips centered around it; great to see such a high quality and informative video on something rarely talked about in depth.

  • @awesomepawn2
    @awesomepawn2 Год назад +8

    this is both fascinating and so important, I'm incredibly glad there are still people making the effort to carry the torch of these histories

  • @trevormilliner8121
    @trevormilliner8121 Год назад +25

    One period to look into for another video would be Little Turtles war or the Northwestern Indian War. This was the first major defeat of the "American Army" when they were just getting out of the revolution and mostly still militia. Blue Jacket and Little Turtle are the most well known chiefs of that one.

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives Год назад +3

      The Miami, Shawnee, Lenape, Three Fires, Wendat, and all their allies won the biggest victory against the US army by a native force in what is today Fort Recovery. It's a forgotten battle, but one that birthed the US army, and ensured the survival of these people.

  • @dr_drago
    @dr_drago Год назад +17

    I was most definitely not expecting a video tackling this very subject. This was a very pleasant surprise, especially with two Native American historians! Even I don't fully grasp the horrors of this war; I know there were horrors committed by both sides, but I know little beyond that. It may be uncomfortable to read about, but it must be done.

  • @00muinamir
    @00muinamir Год назад +8

    At last, we get to see what you roped Jonathan into, LOL. This is your best video yet on King Phillip's War, and kudos to Drew and Dylan for their passion in keeping this history alive.

  • @megansullivan3005
    @megansullivan3005 Год назад +26

    I love your content on indigenous history in Massachusetts! Have you ever thought about doing a video in collaboration with the Wampanoag Language Reclamation Project? Hearing your English speech in OP is awesome and really adds to the history retellings, and it would be so cool to get a native side to that as well.

  • @HistoryDose
    @HistoryDose Год назад +2

    This was great. Loved this changeup in style!

  • @localroger
    @localroger Год назад +9

    This is a fantastic video. Thank you Drew and Dylan for educating me on the history of our peoples, and Andy for giving them a forum. I believe that if we do not understand the ugliness of our past, we cannot properly appreciate what is beautiful about our present.

  • @aaronstreitenberger6012
    @aaronstreitenberger6012 Год назад +19

    Native history is American History. Glad you keep making these videos. Americans tend to get the Cliff's Notes of early Colonial history if we're not born and raised back East. It's a lot more nuanced and interesting than a lot of people understand.
    Keep doing your thing man.

  • @hansg6336
    @hansg6336 11 месяцев назад +5

    Nice to see these young guys so dedicated to the preservation of an often misunderstood and misrepresented part of North American history. This reenacting format is far better than a slew of dry and formulaic versions of historical events.

  • @arturopineda1997
    @arturopineda1997 Год назад +6

    Love this kind of historical content since indigenous people never get enough attention. I'd love it if you could continue to make these kind of videos. Especially the role Native people played during the Civil War given how much of a mainstay that conflict is to your channel. Please continue to platform more Native voices.

  • @tomas.8711
    @tomas.8711 Год назад +6

    Top marks to Atun-Shei, Drew & Dylan for an honest & accurate discussion (& vivid presentation!) of an important historical episode. I very much appreciate the candor, knowledge & effort that went into making this fine mini-documentary, complete with original sources, great voice acting, & spectacular costumes! You fellows should be on the History Channel!

  • @jackwells1073
    @jackwells1073 Год назад +10

    The production of this video is awesome. One of the coolest living history video I’ve ever seen with really great explanations.

  • @sammosaurusrex
    @sammosaurusrex Год назад +6

    The cinematography of this videos the best advertisement for the Sudbury Devil. Not just quality informative content, wildly beautiful footage too.
    Appreciate this video a huge amount, way beyond the shot composition. Completely under-discussed and nearly unknown history even in New England. Great work 👍

  • @abitofapickle6255
    @abitofapickle6255 Год назад +6

    I love guns, and I love history. Put the two together and I'm 100% hooked. I grew up watching the last of the Mohicans and movies like it so for me it's really cool to see the actual aspects of that era. Plus having actual natives discuss the topic is even more epic. I love this channel!

    • @davidweihe6052
      @davidweihe6052 8 месяцев назад

      Last of the Mohicans was set in the French and Indian (aka, Seven Years) War, around a century after King Philip’s War. Wildly different political conditions.

  • @Leon-bc8hm
    @Leon-bc8hm Год назад +9

    As a Dutchman and European I think this part of history is very important.

  • @BoomKing72
    @BoomKing72 Год назад +21

    Would love to see more videos like this, especially with more Drew and Dylan and other living historians like them.

  • @Honnid
    @Honnid Год назад +3

    As an indigenous educator (Akwesasne Mohawk / Kaniekehaka) who's worked in museums, as an interpreter, storytller, on my Reserve, as well as with Parks Canada for a time. this video was incredibly refreshing. i've followed many channels over the years scratching the itch to see my people and peoples our nation has had contact with, represented with respect, research and first hand education. So many other channels will call it a day after a 20 minute video of phrases like "Indians" "Savages" summaries and falsehoods like the use of Wampum (Which to us Haudenosaunee hold such importance) featuring Algonquin Peoples, or Those under the Haudenosaunee with War Bonnets of the plains. many would focus only on the narrative crafted in textbooks and the American education system.
    Even going into this video, I was hesitant, hoping against hope yours would not be another channel I'd have to unsub from for following the easy shock clicks. glad that isnt so.
    This is my favorite video of yours yet. Niawen (Thank You) to Drew and Dylan for representing the history and your peoples well.
    And to Atunshei for using his platform to help educate true history.
    Well Done everyone.

  • @pavelandreev4727
    @pavelandreev4727 Год назад +2

    I love when history is presented as real life of real people, not just those guys fought these guys. The everyday life of ordinary folk, that's history. Thank you for bringing it to life!

  • @BenJett
    @BenJett Год назад +3

    I found this video to be fascinating and yet a bit chilling. The reason being is that I am a descendant of a Massachusetts colonial named John Waldo who was wounded but survived the ambush at Wheeler's Surprise. While learning of my connection to this historical event has been one of the more fun genealogical discoveries I have made, I must admit that it gives me a fair dose of existential anxiety when I contemplate my very existence coming down to the aim of a Nipmuc warrior being just slightly off or perhaps what order my Great Grandfather's horse was in the procession as they entered the swamp. The re-enactments from your living historians at the 20 minute mark, painted a very vivid scene and its interesting to contemplate if my ancestor processed a similar image in the moments before being injured and the Colonials subsequent desperate retreat. Thank you for providing more background and context for this era, it has really helped me to become more informed and I certainly appreciate your efforts to share and promote what we know about the Native American experience in these times!

  • @dantesabbath2107
    @dantesabbath2107 3 месяца назад +2

    Drew is so down to earth, i love that shit and the open mindedness of there being no good guys or bad guys, and that both parties were equally bad in their militant acts

  • @PortlandLife
    @PortlandLife Год назад +16

    This is such great content man! Love learning about the cultural and material exchange. Gotta keep those native traditions strong!

  • @78jpeg
    @78jpeg Год назад +1

    My ancestors came here in the 1630s and I'm very glad to see that you are keeping the true real history of the native American and English history alive and that you have the invite from the native side of the story because that is the most important part that's been missing from education of the history of America

  • @CatNibbles
    @CatNibbles Год назад +10

    Wasn't really sure what kind of content you would be focusing on and how it would be presented since your focus on Checkmate Linconites has passed, but glad to say I'm enjoying what you're putting out. Plus the humor is still very much there, along with the information. Keep up the great work!

    • @AtunSheiFilms
      @AtunSheiFilms  Год назад +13

      As much as we all love Checkmate, it’s only 9 of the 100+ videos I have on this channel. It’s always been only a small part of what I do here.

  • @AncientAmericas
    @AncientAmericas Год назад +8

    Great work! Really enjoyed this.

    • @pjk9225
      @pjk9225 Год назад +2

      Damn I never “doubted” Atun shei, but seeing the AA stamp of approval is excellent to see

    • @AncientAmericas
      @AncientAmericas Год назад +2

      @@pjk9225 Atun Shei knows way more about King Philip's War than I do. I'm here to learn.

  • @Paragoth
    @Paragoth Год назад +3

    This video is so good, I really appreciate you choosing this subject matter and finding such great guests to enlighten us.

  • @jeroenvandenbossche4699
    @jeroenvandenbossche4699 Год назад +1

    from a european 'napoleonic living historian': I salute these 2 fine gentlemen. Awesome work, keep doing it!

  • @Louiscare
    @Louiscare Год назад +6

    Very interesting video with beautiful and well researched talking points, I hope to see Drew and/or Dylan back some more

  • @alun7006
    @alun7006 Год назад +2

    Fantastic! Thank you for centering your guests here - too many creators would have just taken edited snippets from them. And thanks to Drew and Dylan themselves for taking the time to share their wealth of knowledge and experience. Superb stuff.

  • @pjk9225
    @pjk9225 Год назад +3

    Phenomenal. Living just north of Boston, there are an incredible amount of monuments and informational plaques talking about the revolutionary war, Paul Revere, etc. But King Phillips war was so foundational to the entire USA, I'd love to see more of it. I sit in on town meetings occasionally, I'll have to see if this is something that can be brought up.

  • @rubenskiii
    @rubenskiii 9 месяцев назад

    The amount of knowledge you have been able to share and preserve on the internet through this RUclips channel is amazing. Thanks for doing that and thanks for stepping aside and let others tell the stories that involve their ancestors. Thanks to everyone who has helped in the videos over the years, it is very much appreciated.

  • @hal3908
    @hal3908 Год назад +3

    Im a junior concept artist, and as someone who takes a big intrest in this stuff for personal projects, this content is really useful! love all your stuff

  • @Ostenjager
    @Ostenjager Год назад +1

    I grew up in Grafton, Massachusetts. I absolutely love this video. I don't have nearly the understanding of the culture and history of the indigenous peoples who are from my area that they deserve and I would like to have.

  • @basoon87
    @basoon87 Год назад +5

    Really great video. I put this on intending to have it play in the back ground while I worked, but instead I just watched the whole thing straight through. Super insightful guests, I hope you can have them on more.

  • @mikeyb856
    @mikeyb856 Год назад +1

    Those two gentlemen are fantastic. I hope they continue to spend time educating people to the reality of colonial-native relations in the 17th century

  • @frapseddatsht
    @frapseddatsht Год назад +3

    One of the best videos I've seen in a while. Absolutely brilliant, thank you.

  • @someguy5815
    @someguy5815 Год назад

    This video not only gives us a new perspective on the war, a sorely needed one at that, but also shows us how great of an interviewer Atun Shei is

  • @RÅNÇIÐ
    @RÅNÇIРГод назад +11

    In times like these I'm really appreciating neutral and unbiased history lessons like this.

  • @sbl195207
    @sbl195207 Год назад

    I am pleased to see two people portraying Native Americans with knowledge and dignity. Thank you for this video.

  • @TheNateDevourer
    @TheNateDevourer Год назад +4

    I can only hope that Drew and Dylan will make a return at some point down the line. Excellent content.

  • @christopherdove3326
    @christopherdove3326 Год назад +2

    I'm a long-time fan, but this video just blew me away. Absolutely fantastic work by everyone involved - one of your very best. Thanks for making it

  • @hendrix24
    @hendrix24 Год назад +4

    This is fantastic. Everybody here did a wonderful job. Very entertaining and I learned so much. I could watch this style or format of content endlessly. If I were rich, I would drown you in money. Your work and the work of your fellow historians are so valuable. The world needs more of this.

  • @TheEsotericaChannel
    @TheEsotericaChannel Год назад +1

    Finally got a chance to watch this - Much appreciation.

  • @ReedCBowman
    @ReedCBowman Год назад +3

    What an excellent video. I love that you are leaning into your role as the main popular history source on King Philip's War and continuing to expand your own content on it.

  • @HectorVII
    @HectorVII Год назад

    As someone whose in love with Massachusetts, this is my favorite history Channel. I love you

  • @onegirlarmy4401
    @onegirlarmy4401 Год назад +11

    Thanks for all the work you put into these videos! We need more good history content!

  • @Kinkamo
    @Kinkamo 10 месяцев назад

    im maliseet, first nation. primarily in maine and along the canadian border. im so happy and very proud of our people and i love seeing the inclusion of native american historians teaching our culture ❤

  • @milanowns
    @milanowns Год назад +5

    Great video! I love learning about this period in the Americas. So much to be learned!

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 Год назад

    These two guys look GREAT in their tribal gear....they wear it well especially Dylan and he has many good things to say
    and Drew has a large helpful body of knowledge....much appreciated

  • @arthurbriand2175
    @arthurbriand2175 Год назад +9

    Yay!! More King Philip's war content!

  • @BranIzel
    @BranIzel 9 месяцев назад

    great video. thank you for platforming these voices. 24 years of life in the americas, and not once have I heard about this historic conflict. I'm so grateful there are people who let history speak for itself and are as enthusiastic and driven to spread the word about it as you are!

  • @user-DeLorean-Dude2024
    @user-DeLorean-Dude2024 Год назад +18

    This is Cooper from your email, this video was pretty good! I am interested in this war. I hope to see more videos like this in the future.

    • @AtunSheiFilms
      @AtunSheiFilms  Год назад +13

      Thanks man, good luck on your film!

    • @user-DeLorean-Dude2024
      @user-DeLorean-Dude2024 Год назад +3

      @@AtunSheiFilms Thanks Shei, but I got another personal project too before that. I have a dog-whale kaiju on my hands.

  • @rudetuesday
    @rudetuesday Год назад +1

    This was fantastic. Being able to see held and worn items from different angles, in use by people from the communities that employed these, is so helpful to seeing these things differently. So good to have perspectives like this.

  • @dstinnettmusic
    @dstinnettmusic 6 месяцев назад +3

    So amazing to hear the honest thoughts of these guys. They talked about the few positives of early colonial interaction as well as told the honest truth about the bad. Trade was a big deal. The European mindset just didn’t understand why the native tribes valued things like knives and axes as much as they did…but metal tools, and the concept of metalworking in general would have been revolutionary if disease and colonization hadn’t been so awful…..

  • @GhostofSicklesleg
    @GhostofSicklesleg Год назад

    Wow, this video is great. The 2 native historians were so informative and gave an honest view from the Indian perspective. I love the series on King Phillips War, and especially views from both sides. I am a 56 who loves American History, all of it the good,the bad and the ugly needs to be taught. Your presentation is what ALL AMERICANS,need to learn. Thank you for bringing these guys into the RUclips audience and encourage them to do a channel from the native view.

  • @swordwhale
    @swordwhale Год назад +4

    Such a great in-depth look at realities of the conflict. Great production!

  • @burke615
    @burke615 Год назад +1

    Came to the channel for Checkmate, Lincolnites; stayed for the amazing documentaries like this!

  • @dominictemple
    @dominictemple Год назад +6

    Great stuff as always Andy, one of the podcasts I listen to called Lions Led By Donkeys has a 3 episode arc about King Phillips War, episodes 238-240 are very insightful into the world of colonial New England and how the war developed.

  • @mwheeler138
    @mwheeler138 Год назад

    I think this is one of your best video. Not only was I informed with a lot of good information and my interest piqued, but I was actually touched and felt a great respect for these young men.