Kathra is the result of pre-tension or pre-torque, so when you shoot the arrows on the left side with Mediterranean draw try applying pre-torque in the opposite direction of when you shoot on the right side with thumb draw.
I have the Hunnish biocomposite and it has almost no hand shock unless I grip really hard. Mostly because the asymmetrical design (not unlike the Japanese Kyu bow) Also Hunnish bow was introduced into Hungary via hun invasion and am sure Hungarian bow inspired by Huns. Even their mythology which has brothers Hunor and Magor who are ancestors of the Huns and Magyar/Hungarian respectively
Not a bad price! They are stunning bows. Made with modern glues. Makes the difference with moisture. The draw curve is stunning. All the way back to 32!
Sorry if the trueth hurts, but based on the color of the horn, it is grozers older bows with fake horb, and it is actually some kind of polumer material, and that has been confirmed by grozer him self, the newer bows have actual horn on it, but only wery thin layer, and the bow is modern fiberglass laminate bow, that has very thin horn on the belly and equally thin sinew on the back, under those there are normal glassfiber laminates with laminated wooden core, so not at all, like real composite bows were made in the past (and are still made). And i do own grozer biocomposite bow, so i do know what i'm talking about, and the glassfiber can be clearly seen from the side, and my bow has started tiny bit delaminating the horn layer, so the thickness of it can be seen clearly allso. Its only half as thick as it looks, cus the other half is actually the fiberglass, but they are hard, allmost impossible to see where the material changes, other than the delaminating part, so the glass tightly against the horn actually looks like all of its horn.
Damn, a biocomposite. You're moving up in the bow world 😁 Very nice, my friend. I would love to own a biocomposite bow one day. Not to be confused with a real horn bow, though. These biocomposites are much more forgiving. Best of both worlds in my opinion. If you're struggling pulling it with the thumb, you need more protection than the veterinarian tape. At least a leather protector. The reason Kasai shoots mediterranean is because he's missing a thumb on his right hand.
Kassai could shoot slavic like cultures did. His style is nonsense and no warrior would hold and draw his arrows like that unless they wanna have sliced open fingers
@@gizmonomono he or his followers strongly believe that it was historically correct and would work. Bothers me that's all. Why teach an ancient art wrong?
@@Daylon91 I don't know. Haven't seen anyone claim it was historical. But I haven't looked into it that much. It might have been at some point. All depends on the tips you use. You could have a needle point, it doesn't have to be a broadhead. But it will still be deadly. And the effectivness of any thechnique depends on practice. He might just be full of shot, but in this time and age it works just fine, and I admire the time and effort put into it.
Hold a magnet to the base of the siyhas and see if yours is held together with screws. Also look closely at the layers and you'll see a layer of "fiber" reinforcement material between the wood core and the outer layers. Most probably fiberglass. The work is being done by this fiber material. Don't be confused in to thinking that biocomposites are all natural. Do your own research. That being said, I love my biocomposite Scythian and Turkish short bows. Very stable and don't have the maintenance issues of a real hornbow. I even filled a bear tag with the Scythian fall 2020. Oh, and that lacquer? Grozer won't give any information. Actually upsets me cause I'd like to know how to maintain it in my area. I get trade secrets, but they won't even say if it's a poly, shellac, varnish, etc. So I stripped mine and used tung under BLO since I can reapply whenever I wish to.
Hello i buy this bow in 56 pounds, i already have a Turkish one (fiberglass by grozer) 55 pounds. I can put the string on the turkish one pretty easily but the Hungarian biocomposite OMG this is so hard. How do you manage to put the string, i have this bow for two month now and i never be able to put the string on :/
Looks like you are nocking too low, and that explains the need of bow hand clove. Arrow allways leaves the string at the hight it has been nocked to and if that hight is lower than your hand, the string is goind to press the arrow against your hand and thats why it scratches and hurts, nock tiny bit above your hand and the string lifts the arrow over it and no scracthing at all, and no bow hand clove needed. I do shoot bows up to 70 pound draw weight with both mediterranian and thumb draw and works with everything, its just physics, it doesn't know witch draw method is used, but for some reason some people seem to think that everything goes differently when using thumb draw instead of med draw, or other way around
It's 395 Euros on Grozer's website for the biocomposite bow. An Extra III Composite, traditional horn bow, is 1200 Euros. I hope shipping isn't 600 Euros.
Kathra is the result of pre-tension or pre-torque, so when you shoot the arrows on the left side with Mediterranean draw try applying pre-torque in the opposite direction of when you shoot on the right side with thumb draw.
Interesting concept, I will give that some thought. Ta.
@@jefftv7785 Khatra is absolutely gorgeous. Here is a video of the speed benefits. ruclips.net/video/YgB-2LzJ83g/видео.html
Aah, yes, the so called English khatra. I wouldn't do it without an arm guard though.
I have the Hunnish biocomposite and it has almost no hand shock unless I grip really hard. Mostly because the asymmetrical design (not unlike the Japanese Kyu bow) Also Hunnish bow was introduced into Hungary via hun invasion and am sure Hungarian bow inspired by Huns. Even their mythology which has brothers Hunor and Magor who are ancestors of the Huns and Magyar/Hungarian respectively
Not a bad price! They are stunning bows. Made with modern glues. Makes the difference with moisture. The draw curve is stunning. All the way back to 32!
The old style horn bows can be taken apart and repaired because the glue loosens when steamed...
Sorry if the trueth hurts, but based on the color of the horn, it is grozers older bows with fake horb, and it is actually some kind of polumer material, and that has been confirmed by grozer him self, the newer bows have actual horn on it, but only wery thin layer, and the bow is modern fiberglass laminate bow, that has very thin horn on the belly and equally thin sinew on the back, under those there are normal glassfiber laminates with laminated wooden core, so not at all, like real composite bows were made in the past (and are still made). And i do own grozer biocomposite bow, so i do know what i'm talking about, and the glassfiber can be clearly seen from the side, and my bow has started tiny bit delaminating the horn layer, so the thickness of it can be seen clearly allso. Its only half as thick as it looks, cus the other half is actually the fiberglass, but they are hard, allmost impossible to see where the material changes, other than the delaminating part, so the glass tightly against the horn actually looks like all of its horn.
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Damn, a biocomposite. You're moving up in the bow world 😁
Very nice, my friend. I would love to own a biocomposite bow one day. Not to be confused with a real horn bow, though. These biocomposites are much more forgiving. Best of both worlds in my opinion.
If you're struggling pulling it with the thumb, you need more protection than the veterinarian tape. At least a leather protector. The reason Kasai shoots mediterranean is because he's missing a thumb on his right hand.
Kassai could shoot slavic like cultures did. His style is nonsense and no warrior would hold and draw his arrows like that unless they wanna have sliced open fingers
@@Daylon91 Yes, but he is not a warrior. This is a modern style of ahooting. And it serves a purpose in that regard.
@@gizmonomono he or his followers strongly believe that it was historically correct and would work. Bothers me that's all. Why teach an ancient art wrong?
@@Daylon91 I don't know. Haven't seen anyone claim it was historical. But I haven't looked into it that much. It might have been at some point. All depends on the tips you use. You could have a needle point, it doesn't have to be a broadhead. But it will still be deadly. And the effectivness of any thechnique depends on practice. He might just be full of shot, but in this time and age it works just fine, and I admire the time and effort put into it.
Kassai cannot shoot thumb style due to old hand injury. He developed his own style as a result. He made it effective and taught it to others...
Hold a magnet to the base of the siyhas and see if yours is held together with screws.
Also look closely at the layers and you'll see a layer of "fiber" reinforcement material between the wood core and the outer layers. Most probably fiberglass.
The work is being done by this fiber material. Don't be confused in to thinking that biocomposites are all natural. Do your own research.
That being said, I love my biocomposite Scythian and Turkish short bows. Very stable and don't have the maintenance issues of a real hornbow. I even filled a bear tag with the Scythian fall 2020.
Oh, and that lacquer? Grozer won't give any information. Actually upsets me cause I'd like to know how to maintain it in my area. I get trade secrets, but they won't even say if it's a poly, shellac, varnish, etc. So I stripped mine and used tung under BLO since I can reapply whenever I wish to.
Hello i buy this bow in 56 pounds, i already have a Turkish one (fiberglass by grozer) 55 pounds. I can put the string on the turkish one pretty easily but the Hungarian biocomposite OMG this is so hard. How do you manage to put the string, i have this bow for two month now and i never be able to put the string on :/
Looks like you are nocking too low, and that explains the need of bow hand clove. Arrow allways leaves the string at the hight it has been nocked to and if that hight is lower than your hand, the string is goind to press the arrow against your hand and thats why it scratches and hurts, nock tiny bit above your hand and the string lifts the arrow over it and no scracthing at all, and no bow hand clove needed. I do shoot bows up to 70 pound draw weight with both mediterranian and thumb draw and works with everything, its just physics, it doesn't know witch draw method is used, but for some reason some people seem to think that everything goes differently when using thumb draw instead of med draw, or other way around
300 euros... the biocomposite cost more like a 1000 fyi
It's 395 Euros on Grozer's website for the biocomposite bow. An Extra III Composite, traditional horn bow, is 1200 Euros. I hope shipping isn't 600 Euros.