If you slow this video down to 1/4 playback speed, you can see at 04:31 that the arrow has passed your hand before your hand has even started to "rotate" the bow. Whatever effect you are experiencing has probably very little to do with your Khatra technique. An average bow will cast an appropriately weighted arrow upwards of 150 feet per second. Even assuming you had a 36"draw, you would have less than .02 seconds to perform your bow hand movement to have a chance to effect the arrow flight. In other words, if you are not already moving your bow hand prior to release, you're probably not having an effect on the arrow at all.
Khatra is not the same as follow through. Follow through is a movement of the bow based on its own power in the release. You get this by having less or no grip on the bow in your left hand. Doing so the bow kinda leans to the right. This is helpful when you shoot from the left side. It creates a V shape with your knuckle and the bow and prevents the arrow from falling out. But Khatra is generally on the right side and is used with a thumb release. Khatra happens when you move your bow hand forward first (slightly ) as you Pull back with your thumb to release. it gives the pressure to pull the string out of your finger. And its more of an act of flinging /pointing the arrow to the target . The power of the string then guides the bow forward with a little follow through and naturally moves the bow out of the way. Many times the khatra will even overcome a poor release by correcting it. Sometimes in more military styles they will actually pull the strong back with a jerk to give it more power. ( Think of how you shoot a rubber band off your thumb. You sometimes fling your thumb forward on release ). Dont mistake. You dont need a large movement of the bow. Once the arrow passes the bow hand the rest of the movement is kinda meaningless.
You can give a little khatra or a lot. You're using your wrist/shoulder muscles adding more poundage/energy to the shot by pushing forward as your drawing back.
I agree in that, depending on what khatra technique you're using, you can actually add a little more accelerating force to the arrow beyond what is provided by the bow/string, but I think the increase in arrow velocity observed where khatra is used, relative to arrow velocities observed with a dead release, come primarily from better arrow clearance. I think another reason khatra tends to result in faster arrows is because it causes the force applied on the arrow by the string to be better aligned with the longitudinal axis of the arrow than it would otherwise be, meaning that less energy is being put into bending the arrow shaft and causing arrow shaft oscillation. Khatra, I believe, makes a traditional bow shoot more like a centershot bow as opposed to a bow with archer's paradox that has to be overcome.
Khatra is so easy, Me and my kids were able to do it on the first try. Pull with the bottom fingers, push with thumb. With the right grip, basically squeezing the grip makes your hand want to twist like that. Start with the bow leaning a bit to the side to keep the bottom of the bow from hitting your leg...
Side khatra would be more appropriate with long bows, like kyudo archers do it. But yes it can be done if you can shoot with Mediterranean draw from the right side of the bow.
Well done Jeff, I like this “bite size” version. Good explanation on the loss of velocity energy to sound and heat energy reduced by the kathra technique 👍
For a good explanation about reasons and different khatras check bamboo archery, ruclips.net/video/XKIpXr32kP4/видео.html he also has excellent video explaining how to get correct grip (at least one version of correct grip)
@@winstonvkoot Well, I got one from Alibow myself. But I can be wrong, it seems the handle is reversed in this one? So which one is it so Ahmet can learn?
@@Testacabeza you got a turkish bow from alibow? So you think the one in the vid is one? If you click turkish bow on google it shows you what turkish bow looks like, you click in horsebow you get all kinds of different curves depending on country ect "mongolian" hun"hungarian" asiatic"ect turkish is nothing like in show to those and the one shown in vid.
NICE VIDEO!!! IT WAS VERY DESCRIPTIVE... BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE NAME IS GIVEN BY THE MOVEMENT OF THE ARM OR BY THE BOW... ROTATIONAL KAHTRA OR ROTATIVE KAHTRA IS A NAME I'VE HEARED MORE TO THE MOVEMENT OF THE BOW WHEN YOU SHOOT A JAPANESE YUMI OR MANCHU BOWS... BECAUSE THE BOW IS SO BIG THAN YOU CAN NOT DO THE MOVEMENT YOU DO IN THIS VIDEO... WHICH IS MORE LIKE A DIAGONAL KAHTRA... BUT ANYWAYS... THIS IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW... I'M NOT THE OWNER OF THE TRUTH OR ANYTHING... JUST SHARING SOME COMMENTS... GREETINGS!!!
Your push is not that fast. Is it even 1 foot per second? (the speed of the push)... Khatra does make a measured speed difference but seems that less wobble and no impact with the bow are probably the main reasons... I also would expect a longer draw due to being in motion when letting go of the arrow (if you are flinging the arrows so to speak). If you never settle down and hold the draw then it is more likely that you go a little past the normal draw since you are in the middle of the expanding motion when releasing...
ArminHirmer does a far better job explaining! Force either forward, sideways or both needs to be applied to the bow before release, otherwise it won't happen.
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Ozzie Harmin; I like it, thanks for great video
It's a hard thing to quantify and explain with science, but khatra makes such a huge difference for me!
If you slow this video down to 1/4 playback speed, you can see at 04:31 that the arrow has passed your hand before your hand has even started to "rotate" the bow. Whatever effect you are experiencing has probably very little to do with your Khatra technique. An average bow will cast an appropriately weighted arrow upwards of 150 feet per second. Even assuming you had a 36"draw, you would have less than .02 seconds to perform your bow hand movement to have a chance to effect the arrow flight. In other words, if you are not already moving your bow hand prior to release, you're probably not having an effect on the arrow at all.
yep u gotta do it really well for it too work
Khatra is not the same as follow through. Follow through is a movement of the bow based on its own power in the release. You get this by having less or no grip on the bow in your left hand. Doing so the bow kinda leans to the right. This is helpful when you shoot from the left side. It creates a V shape with your knuckle and the bow and prevents the arrow from falling out.
But Khatra is generally on the right side and is used with a thumb release. Khatra happens when you move your bow hand forward first (slightly ) as you Pull back with your thumb to release.
it gives the pressure to pull the string out of your finger. And its more of an act of flinging /pointing the arrow to the target . The power of the string then guides the bow forward with a little follow through and naturally moves the bow out of the way. Many times the khatra will even overcome a poor release by correcting it. Sometimes in more military styles they will actually pull the strong back with a jerk to give it more power. ( Think of how you shoot a rubber band off your thumb. You sometimes fling your thumb forward on release ).
Dont mistake. You dont need a large movement of the bow. Once the arrow passes the bow hand the rest of the movement is kinda meaningless.
You can give a little khatra or a lot. You're using your wrist/shoulder muscles adding more poundage/energy to the shot by pushing forward as your drawing back.
I agree in that, depending on what khatra technique you're using, you can actually add a little more accelerating force to the arrow beyond what is provided by the bow/string, but I think the increase in arrow velocity observed where khatra is used, relative to arrow velocities observed with a dead release, come primarily from better arrow clearance. I think another reason khatra tends to result in faster arrows is because it causes the force applied on the arrow by the string to be better aligned with the longitudinal axis of the arrow than it would otherwise be, meaning that less energy is being put into bending the arrow shaft and causing arrow shaft oscillation. Khatra, I believe, makes a traditional bow shoot more like a centershot bow as opposed to a bow with archer's paradox that has to be overcome.
Khatra is so easy, Me and my kids were able to do it on the first try. Pull with the bottom fingers, push with thumb. With the right grip, basically squeezing the grip makes your hand want to twist like that. Start with the bow leaning a bit to the side to keep the bottom of the bow from hitting your leg...
Ha Hah! Yes, avoiding the leg is good! 🤣
reckon it works with medideraian style of shooting with the arroe mount on the other side of the bow?
Side khatra would be more appropriate with long bows, like kyudo archers do it. But yes it can be done if you can shoot with Mediterranean draw from the right side of the bow.
Appreciate the video! Very helpful
A must with Korean Modern Trad Bows like White Feather, KTB, KTBC-K, and SMG.
Well done Jeff, I like this “bite size” version. Good explanation on the loss of velocity energy to sound and heat energy reduced by the kathra technique 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice bow, where l can buy?
Pretty good explanation. Well done 😁
Thanks! 😃
Nice
A friction reducing technique 👍🙏
For a good explanation about reasons and different khatras check bamboo archery, ruclips.net/video/XKIpXr32kP4/видео.html he also has excellent video explaining how to get correct grip (at least one version of correct grip)
Hello sir, which bow did you use in that video? Btw Thank you for those informations about khatra.
Most likely a fiberglass Turkish bow.
@@Testacabeza i take it you never seen a turkish bow...
@@winstonvkoot Well, I got one from Alibow myself. But I can be wrong, it seems the handle is reversed in this one? So which one is it so Ahmet can learn?
@@Testacabeza you got a turkish bow from alibow? So you think the one in the vid is one? If you click turkish bow on google it shows you what turkish bow looks like, you click in horsebow you get all kinds of different curves depending on country ect "mongolian" hun"hungarian" asiatic"ect turkish is nothing like in show to those and the one shown in vid.
@@winstonvkoot so, smart pants, which one is it? Help out the community.
There’s a video that shows how Khatra movement makes the arrow to go faster. The guy uses a speedmeter machine
NICE VIDEO!!! IT WAS VERY DESCRIPTIVE... BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE NAME IS GIVEN BY THE MOVEMENT OF THE ARM OR BY THE BOW... ROTATIONAL KAHTRA OR ROTATIVE KAHTRA IS A NAME I'VE HEARED MORE TO THE MOVEMENT OF THE BOW WHEN YOU SHOOT A JAPANESE YUMI OR MANCHU BOWS... BECAUSE THE BOW IS SO BIG THAN YOU CAN NOT DO THE MOVEMENT YOU DO IN THIS VIDEO... WHICH IS MORE LIKE A DIAGONAL KAHTRA... BUT ANYWAYS... THIS IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW... I'M NOT THE OWNER OF THE TRUTH OR ANYTHING... JUST SHARING SOME COMMENTS...
GREETINGS!!!
you can push the arrow
Your push is not that fast. Is it even 1 foot per second? (the speed of the push)... Khatra does make a measured speed difference but seems that less wobble and no impact with the bow are probably the main reasons... I also would expect a longer draw due to being in motion when letting go of the arrow (if you are flinging the arrows so to speak). If you never settle down and hold the draw then it is more likely that you go a little past the normal draw since you are in the middle of the expanding motion when releasing...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 nice response.... i can push the arrow
ArminHirmer does a far better job explaining! Force either forward, sideways or both needs to be applied to the bow before release, otherwise it won't happen.