The words I’m speaking of that John remembers are when Arthur is with John at the bridge and he tells him “Listen to me. When the time comes, you gotta run and don’t look back..” and then before he sends Jack and Abigail away in this mission he reuses nearly the same monologue as he tells them “keep riding and don’t look back” obviously RDR1 was written before RDR2 but it’s an interesting detail to consider that maybe this was the only “reference” to Arthur RDR1 has.
I think John referred to Arthur while speaking to Marshall Johnson “Ya know, I hear you speak, and suddenly I’m reminded how some of the people I respected most in my life had a problem with authority”. John respected Dutch, for raising him and saving him from Micah, but I believe he also referred to Arthur and Hosea. Actually I screwed up the quote. John says some not one, further emphasising that he was indeed referencing unmentioned gang members. Bill and Javier didn’t like the law, and while John viewed them as brothers, he was more accustomed to Arthur and Dutch’s views on the law and the government, along with probably Hosea. Hosea’s personal opinions on the government weren’t explored but I believe he agreed with Dutch’s ideals and just wanted to live freely.
Uncle was loyal to Arthur as well as the gang and Arthur just found him annoying yet he still liked uncle a lot, it'd make sense that John would keep uncle around since he's the only other memory of Arthur he has and uncle has nobody else left to help without Arthur around.
@@MariusBoss11458 Arthur's death straight up broke me, i didn't even wanna play after that even though John is a great character too. When a game can make you this attached to your character you know the writing was top tier.
That's how I've felt about a few protagonists; Arthur & John, Lee from TWD, Joel from TLOU, Ethan from Resident Evil, and probably more I'm not thinking of atm. It's crazy what good writing can do to you.
Yeah rdr1 was the first game that made me cry like a girl😂, playing rdr2 i felt like i knew arthur was going to die from the start but seeing it happen and seeing his efforts essentially mean nothing in the end of rdr1 that hurt more…
@@JohnMartin-yr6vr yeah. Unfortunately, our vision for a remaster seems further away from reality, as Rockstar announced they’ll be shelving the RDR1 and GTA4 remasters.
@@bluexboxgamer2613 Honestly it should be a Remake. I don't think the PS4 is powerful enough if they wanna add both the RDR1 map and the RDR2 Map together.
Because of the events here, Jack, instead of living out the life that John and Abigail fought so hard to give him, became a gunslinger of his own and killed Agent Ross, thus making him an enemy of the state and government. The cycle continues. The last visible member of the Vander Linde Gang lives a life on the run, just as his family did
@@suemeade2471 well because Arthur said don't look back to john and john listened but still was an outlaw and shot like a dog and said don't look back to jack but this time jack looks back, kills Edgar Ross and later becomes a writer
John’s jokes about Jack’s hunting abilities is like some sort of sick humor left by Arthur John: -You just gotta learn to shoot straight or you’re get yourself eaten by an animal Few ears ago Arthur: -You might be the first bastard to ever have half his brain eaten by a wolf and end up more intelligent.
@@Alex-wx1bk I like to think he joined the marshalls or something, based on the outfits he unlocks, then used his position to hunt Ross, live out his life and then write it all down one day.
A rainy scenery fits The last enemy that shall be destroyed. John realised, like Arthur, Dutch, and Micah that he can’t outrun his past, so he gave up, but not before unleashing his rage upon Ross’ squad in anger and hatred for betraying him after the deal between the Marston’s and the Bureau.
@@amirhomayoonfarmusic Yes but it’s also in part to make sure they won’t be prosecuted for his past. The ranch shootout proves that Ross was willing to kill everyone in his way to kill Marston.
I’m sure in that moment Abigail was having major flashbacks too considering Arthur also helped her up onto the horse before going to his death. Hence the waver in her voice as John does it.
I just get chills to see that scene again after so many years. I just played through rdr2 for the first time and then jumped into rdr1, haven’t finished yet, but watching this and remembering all what happens is just so sad and heartbreaking. What an AMAZING story rockstar has written for us
Yea it happens in rdr2 too. Micah will beat Arthur to death and you’ll fail even though he ends up dying minutes later anyway and John already got away
I am really liking the Uncle is Red Harlow theory, adds a lot to tge character. He had his wild times in his youth, settled all his scores and every day after that was gravy. So he slowed down, became lazy and happy and didn't care what anyone had to say about it as he had nothing to prove to anyone. Yet under it all he was still a good shot and a fighter, he stayed loyal to his family and went down fighting in the end.
Gotta love the fact that he went out on his terms to the point he didnt let the bullets knock him down. He wanted to print his image to the back of their eyes.
I find it heartbreaking that after John’s death, the old jack who had hated violence and killing was likely filled with so much hate against Ross. So much that he practices gunslinging and becomes a totally different person just to get revenge against him
I actually liked Uncles death here he went out truly on his shield despite being the lazy joking lumbago man he was he fought till the end to protect johns family and redeemed himself same as Arthur and John
Something that you should know , if you use a carcano and snipe the second wave of soldiers uncle wont have a bulletwound and the same cutscene will play, i like to joke that uncle had a heart attack.
@@cjmodmanboom8518 I said John's grave. I thought something like that was written on John's grave in rdr1. I haven't played it in years so maybe I'm wrong. It was something similar to that anyway
John was such an amazing character. He did everything for his family and he didn't even flinch when his time came. He sacrificed himself so they could be free. Unfortunately, like a Quentin Tarantino movie, the cycle repeats itself.
Both heroes in this story feel like they go out swinging, the only way a warrior can go out. It’s powerful to be in the driver’s seat for those narrative moments.
I like the sound of the rain slapping the roof. Relaxing. Most games don't bother with rain sound effects while indoors, some games will just delete the weather entirely once you go inside.
I really hope that they make a remake of RDR1. I would love to see this scene (and all of the game) in the same quality of RDR2. Maybe they could even add some little references to Arthur into a remake (but not too many, to keep the idea that RDR2's epilogue gave us that the reason that Arthur isn't mentioned much is because it's painful for John - which is a nice way to explain the in-universe reason for the lack of reference in RDR1 to such an important character to John's story, but it would still be nice to have some little details for those players who have played RDR2).
Oof... do I got bad new for you, sadly rockstar has instead went the milking route of GTA rather than remastering/remaking RDR1, it's a real shame would've liked to play it again maybe even have a better epilogue with Jack.
@@riskrunner4532 Yeah, I've heard the news about the remaster being shelved. I'm hoping that it will be un-shelved in the future, after the release of GTA6 (and I hope it will be a remake, not a shit-show remaster like the GTA "definitive editions").
I agree with this. Maybe they could have a picture of Arthur, or maybe the main members of the game even, in John's house? A little detail that you'd have to pay close attention to see
Actually they still would’ve found them because I got the impression they were going to use Micah the same way they use John to hunt his old gang they might have found John eventually if they used Micah
@@tonydaza8504 Micah would've never been able to get it done though... If it was Micah that walked up to Fort Mercer in Exodus of America, Bill would've shot Micah the moment he laid eyes on him. Hell, he would've never survived Mexico.
@@tonydaza8504 remember what Dutch told John at Micah's hideout on Mount Hagen? "Same as you, I suppose" He came to kill Micah so he would have died anyway, even if John never went there
Can we just stop to appreciate the beauty in theses sacrifices, and notice the ugly cycle that continues. Arthur Morgan fought and died to give the marstons a fighting chance. John and uncle fought to make the dream of being a homesteader come true. Uncle fought and died in the hopes the marstons could make it out. John took a final stand trying to give his wife and son a chance at that life the Pinkerton's destroyed, knowing he couldn't win the fight. Abigail fought so Jack wouldn't become a gunslinger. Arthur died so John didn't have to be a gunslinger anymore, John still became a gun slinger. John died so Jack didn't have to be a gunslinger anymore, Jack still became a gunslinger. The sacrifices continues on, and the cycle continues. They all die for each other, until little Jack is the only one left in the Vanderlin gang. "You can't change your future and you can't outrun your past." Rest in peace, Arthur, Uncle, John, and Abigail. You all died heroes in my eyes. 💔😭💜 My question is, what happened to Sadie Adler and Charles? Did Sadie ever make it to south America? And did Charles ever leave with his people? 👀 Pls let us be Sadie in rdr3, or Jack looking for Sadie in South America. I'd even settler for a Mafia style 1920s Jack Marston play through. 😂. Give us more red dead games! 🇺🇸😂 Oh or let us be Hosea watching Arthur and John growing up 😇 there are so many storylines they can do!!! 😈🤣
@@Inte334 how would it make more sense as dutch? I mean either would do but Hosea had a family he left to see before the prequel, that's why I picked him, just thought his back story was a bit more interesting 🤔 maybe a choice between the two 🤷😂
Correct me if im wrong but it could be a mod, the missions were in most cases fixed weather and the horse that jack rode had insane speed for such a lesser considered breed in the game, dont get me wrong the weather was a nice touch until ross lit a match in the blistering rain but i think as amazing as rdr1 was it still had primitive mission programming and not so much detail as the prequel
RIP John, Abigail, and Uncle they will be missed but Jack he isn't dead yet and he's going to avenge his family if it's the last godamn thing he's going to do before he dies ( I took a line from rdr2 when Arthur said to John he'll help him get to his family if it'll be last godamn thing he'll do) RIP Arthur as well.
The Marstons will never learn - they'll olways lokk back - but i get why, its truly a amazing story. The last true legends of the wild west - Arthur and John
this is such a realistic portrayal of death, its out of nowhere, unfair, frustrating. john doesn't lay on the ground and say his last words as he dies he simply just dies. honestly one of the saddest deaths in gaming history
You know what something just hit me that never quite made sense, uncle, the one who got slandered all the way through the prequel lumbago or not the man who was so useless the whole time yet proved his undying loyalty until the end, was in fact the only member who was never buried, kinda sad considering Arthur john and uncle were the only ones who earned their redemption
I had to go back and look because i thought i might've been wrong , but i wasn't lol Look at 13:20 and you can see the three headstones, they were definitely buried next to each other.
It’s been so many years since I’ve played this game. I remember crying back then, and it still makes me tear up now. I hate rockstar, but god damn do they know how to make a compelling story
i also think it's cool how if arthur dies with high honor, his grave, adorned with flowers, says "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness" because of his desire to change. john's grave says "blessed are the peacemakers" which reflects the way he has changed. i think maybe both graves were made to be a little similar? idk, just thought it was nice.
arthur and john dying in both games felt like losing a brother, or a good friend. after their deaths ingame i was legit crying irl and starting new games didnt help either it didnt have that charm that the first time had. still, rockstar really knows how to make bangin stories that make your eyes tear up like hell and i applaud them for that, even though they may not always make good/do good things for their games
I thought the game ended when John was murdered I was 16 when I played the game, so I cant really remember exactly how I felt What I do remember is hanging my head and not believing after all that story to get back to the family, that asshole Ross still killed him Lots of tragic stories I can think of, but the end of RDR1 holds a very special place in my heart
If they really do remake this game then I think they should add some dialogue of John talking about Arthur. It just seems odd that he never mentions the man that saved his family.
I just saw today that rockstar put the remasters for RDR1 and GTA4 on the shelf to focus on GTA6 because of the GTA Trilogy failure. It kinda crushed my spirit to be quite honest.
@@RedsDeadBaby you’d think they would’ve realized even before they remastered the gta trilogy that people care WAAAAAAAAY more about gta4 and rdr1 Oh yeah and they didn’t put it on the shelf they put it in the fucking trash can
rdr2 has some scenes that explain why he isnt mentioned in the game, there are scenes that echo arthur and if they do remaster rdr 1 they might add an easter egg in the game like arthurs hat by a table in johns home for example , but dialogue will be the same, itll be a while till we get a remaster, maybe after the release of gta 6 whenever that is
@@itookashittoday1146 Yeah, the issue with the remasters wasn't which games they chose. It was that they decided the best way to "remaster" the originals was to train an AI to upscale everything and, seemingly, didn't then go in and realise it was a complete failure and waste of time and they really ought to have gone in and done a lot of it by hand. Honestly, if that was the plan they had for GTAIV and RDR, then I'm happy they shelved those. I'm not being over-dramatic when I say RDR especially would have been rendered unplayable by such a treatment.
I agree with the sentiment that Abagail did indeed die of a broken heart. Think about it, John saved her in every way possible, he knew her history but he wanted her, through that she gained trust, & respect, & the truest love she'd ever known, & in the end he saved her again & gave her a chance for a life, this broke her soul & spirit. I've seen this 1st hand my Mother & Father, my mom passed 1st & yr and half later my father past, he was lost without her, they were married 47 yrs, mom had a massive heart attack, & dad died from liver cancer, it was all so sudden, as this was all unfolding around me & my brother Christopher, this is when he was still alive, he died a yr after dad that nearly ended me. My whole family within 3 yrs. I think when we love someone so much, and they pass a part us dies to, it hurts our heart & our soul to lose what once was everything & mattered so much. One thing I learned after my loss is don't remember how they died, but how they lived, in that way all your memories are good ones, and you honor their lives. We have to go on, we can't give up, they would never want that for us, after all they gave us life & brought into this world. My memories all started out in 1962, but didn't end in 2005 when my brother died, they go on until my time is up, if Heaven is real, & I hope it is I'll see my family again. So yes I agree that John's death just destroyed her, they had gone through too much together, she could not go on. I did a lot reading about Abagail's death, there's no mention of how she died whatsoever. What hurt was watching Jack standing at all the graves, that killed me he lost everyone, that hit me hard. Everything he'd ever known was gone, and now where does he go?, what does he do? We know the answer we saw it coming, Ross was a total bastard, he used John in every way possible, had John do all of his dirty work. Where he was mistaken, there would be a calling & a retribution, Jack saw to that.
Honestly John's death hurst even more after playing rdr2 all of sacrifices Arthur and the gang made so John and Abigail could only have 4 years of happiness until you know...
And at 7:59 Arthur also tells John to also go look for a place to hide as well and also that he would catch up with John. This is when Arthur's horse is shot and he goes and comforts The horse and then after that he gives his hat to John
I feel like John was my family it's crazy what Rockstar did there. They created a character that the player has a deep relatiosnhip with an then brutally kill him off....these sadists
Just played RDR for the first time and finished it today. I knew the ending for years as does everyone. It’s an iconic ending. But Jack saying “The day John Marston stopped shooting” was jaw dropping when knowing what comes next. Just so sad that that book will be written sooner than expected
I've always thought John could've survived if he engaged dead eye with the 22-bullet Evans Repeater and shot everyone in the face, instead of using a Revolver
Say what you want about Dutch but he was right. They have to find another "monster" to justify there wages. It's quite sad. But it was foreshadowing. From there I knew it immediately, John would die in the end.😔
It sucks that Charles and Sadie aren't there. Landon would maybe offer help but the problem was that he died in his sleep a week before this happen. Uncle and John were all by themselves against them. Honestly, I'm glad Uncle found John again at Blackwater. If he hadn't, he'd probably die somewhere else. Playing RDR2 as John after 1 was just too damn sad knowing their fate in the end. But for what is worth, John died as a better man with a better life for his wife and son, than that snake rat to which there's a name for that but we'll call it Micah. As for Ross, he got what's coming to him by the last member of the Dutch Van Der Linde gang: Jack Marston.
I have a feeling that Red Dead Redemption not only is an unique franchise, but the only one that will never work with sequels, but with prequels, and the beauty of it, it's that it works perfectly since we are slowly going back to the wild wild west. I wouldn't be surprise if next prequel, we were some sort of Civil War traitor, trying to escape war, joining a band to live as an outlaw.
![GEEK TIMË [OFFICIAL AUDIO]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ry-6RvkH880/mqdefault.jpg)
The words I’m speaking of that John remembers are when Arthur is with John at the bridge and he tells him “Listen to me. When the time comes, you gotta run and don’t look back..” and then before he sends Jack and Abigail away in this mission he reuses nearly the same monologue as he tells them “keep riding and don’t look back” obviously RDR1 was written before RDR2 but it’s an interesting detail to consider that maybe this was the only “reference” to Arthur RDR1 has.
I think John referred to Arthur while speaking to Marshall Johnson “Ya know, I hear you speak, and suddenly I’m reminded how some of the people I respected most in my life had a problem with authority”. John respected Dutch, for raising him and saving him from Micah, but I believe he also referred to Arthur and Hosea. Actually I screwed up the quote. John says some not one, further emphasising that he was indeed referencing unmentioned gang members. Bill and Javier didn’t like the law, and while John viewed them as brothers, he was more accustomed to Arthur and Dutch’s views on the law and the government, along with probably Hosea. Hosea’s personal opinions on the government weren’t explored but I believe he agreed with Dutch’s ideals and just wanted to live freely.
@@justsomeguy747 I felt the same way tbh since he said some of the people he admired most meaning more than just Dutch.
i believe rockstar had arthur tell john that quote as a reference to rdr1
clever idea to be honest
@@geitthejiedi1790 I think it’s more to show what influenced John’s words at the end.
@@justsomeguy747 actually yes, makes more sense
Can we just admire how loyal Uncle has been to the marston family
117 likes? Master chief would like to know your location.
its because of the lumbago
Uncle was loyal to Arthur as well as the gang and Arthur just found him annoying yet he still liked uncle a lot, it'd make sense that John would keep uncle around since he's the only other memory of Arthur he has and uncle has nobody else left to help without Arthur around.
Definitely
Whenever they tried to turn him away he goes "umm i got a serious medical condition"
Cannot believe just how well Arthur's story tied into John's. Truly a unique duo of games.
@hattchetman_ lmao it's not forced.
@hattchetman_ you are, again, proving my point that you are the *"kid".* get off youtube
@hattchetman_ it smoothly fits in, doesn't feel forced
@hattchetman_ of course they did, and it come out great
now we'll get the remake which can fully tie off arthur's story
I like that from a story perspective, these are Arthur's words. And from the release perspective, it's John's words.
From the logic perspective is him thinking "I'm gonna fucking die"
I'm pretty sure these games were written in tandem.
@@Zeroshiki they weren't
@@Zeroshiki Definitely not
They are making a remaster of RD1 and they will include Arthur in the story. As in, you will hear John speak of him and such.
After all these years seeing John die still feels like losing someone you knew.
Same when I first played the game I was so heart broken
Just like Arthur
@@MariusBoss11458 Arthur's death straight up broke me, i didn't even wanna play after that even though John is a great character too. When a game can make you this attached to your character you know the writing was top tier.
That's how I've felt about a few protagonists; Arthur & John, Lee from TWD, Joel from TLOU, Ethan from Resident Evil, and probably more I'm not thinking of atm. It's crazy what good writing can do to you.
Yeah rdr1 was the first game that made me cry like a girl😂, playing rdr2 i felt like i knew arthur was going to die from the start but seeing it happen and seeing his efforts essentially mean nothing in the end of rdr1 that hurt more…
“The day john marston stopped shooting” that hit me really hard😞
and he went out shooting…….
The day jack stopped shooting was when he wrote the book red dead on franklins cabinet
@@tigerrclaw3772 at least he dropped his gun before he died
@@tigerrclaw3772 Yup
Tragic how both John and Jack "looked back" and it cost them a lot.
This scene looks good in the rain by the way
I was experimenting and decided to get it on a stormy day and it did not disappoint
@@RedsDeadBaby the storm, if there is ever a remaster, should be on low honor, and the sun should be on high Honor.
@@bluexboxgamer2613 Good idea.
@@JohnMartin-yr6vr yeah. Unfortunately, our vision for a remaster seems further away from reality, as Rockstar announced they’ll be shelving the RDR1 and GTA4 remasters.
@@bluexboxgamer2613 Honestly it should be a Remake. I don't think the PS4 is powerful enough if they wanna add both the RDR1 map and the RDR2 Map together.
Because of the events here, Jack, instead of living out the life that John and Abigail fought so hard to give him, became a gunslinger of his own and killed Agent Ross, thus making him an enemy of the state and government. The cycle continues. The last visible member of the Vander Linde Gang lives a life on the run, just as his family did
Jack kills Ross in a fair duel in Mexico. I don't think that would make him an enemy of the state.
@@brb1994 dual was outlawed by then
@@mrscaryfox3955 nobody would know who killed Ross, there were no witnesses
Young jack: "When I grow up, im gonna be a gunslinger!"
Abigail: "Over my dead body."
Adult Jack: "Bet."
In GTAV there's a reference in Franklins mansion where there's a book written by Jack Marston I believe
I forgot about that moment at 1:55 where John realizes he's probably about to die and calls his son back to give him a hug. That's nice.
😢😢😢
I love the fact that even though he's a gentle soul and dislikes violence, Jack doesn't hesitate to grab a gun when the shooting starts.
That was reality back then.
@@lizzieborden9302 for sure. Kill or be killed.
That's what it means to be a man.
*Arthur:* Don’t look back.
*John:* Don’t look back.
*Jack:* You Edgar Ross?
And soo the gunslinger's curse lived on, as Jack looked back.
@@suemeade2471 kinda the opposite actually
@@legendaryfrolox6285 how come?
@@suemeade2471 well because Arthur said don't look back to john and john listened but still was an outlaw and shot like a dog and said don't look back to jack but this time jack looks back, kills Edgar Ross and later becomes a writer
Nah John didn’t actually listen to Arthur because he went back and killed Mica which led the Pinkertons to johns house starting RDR1
John’s jokes about Jack’s hunting abilities is like some sort of sick humor left by Arthur
John: -You just gotta learn to shoot straight or you’re get yourself eaten by an animal
Few ears ago Arthur: -You might be the first bastard to ever have half his brain eaten by a wolf and end up more intelligent.
Who ever did the writing for these games, is a genius. The threats hit, the jokes are very good and the dialogue is just perfect.
@@inspectornl sucky sucky
@@Tostito422 And he’s been involved in pretty much all the writing of the Rockstar games since they started
It’s more so the other way around
"Ain't no trouble, Abigail... Ain't no trouble..."
This line hits hard... He knows his family won't have any trouble now that all of the gang is dead.
except for the Pinkertons are after jack now.
@@neowolf09 they probably aren’t they won’t know who he is and anyway apparently he became a writer in the end
@@Alex-wx1bk I like to think he joined the marshalls or something, based on the outfits he unlocks, then used his position to hunt Ross, live out his life and then write it all down one day.
2:26 "So it seems..."
Uncles last words before he reveals he never had lumbago and sprints to take cover behind a wagon wheel.
Lumbago is serious you know!
That line always gave me chills. Uncle truly is a force of nature just waiting to be unleashed upon the unwary foe who underestimates him
Adrenaline is one hell of a drug
Uncle is just that guy y'know
Lumbago
A rainy scenery fits The last enemy that shall be destroyed. John realised, like Arthur, Dutch, and Micah that he can’t outrun his past, so he gave up, but not before unleashing his rage upon Ross’ squad in anger and hatred for betraying him after the deal between the Marston’s and the Bureau.
Yeah I love this mission. Hits right in the feels
Wasn’t so much a deal as much as it was blackmail which is exactly why I personally hate Ross 10x more than I’ll ever hate Micah
@@itookashittoday1146 W
He gave up to keep his family safe
@@amirhomayoonfarmusic Yes but it’s also in part to make sure they won’t be prosecuted for his past. The ranch shootout proves that Ross was willing to kill everyone in his way to kill Marston.
Dude went out like a boss.... Guns blazing. What an honor that they had to bring all these men just to take him out, showed how badass he really was.
and then stood there in place staring at them before dying
@@floorlamp3104 and whats your point? He was shot multiple times at point blank range and still managed to stay standing when the firing stopped.
@@bee-bee8768 exactly was my point it showed how strong he was
He was shot in the jaw
8:04 here's the part he's referring to.
Thanks
thanks i didint want to watch 13 effing minutes becasose of that clickbait title
Daniel you don't even know what clickbait is
dont look back..
I’m sure in that moment Abigail was having major flashbacks too considering Arthur also helped her up onto the horse before going to his death. Hence the waver in her voice as John does it.
Dude Arthur wasn’t even a concept when rdr1 came out so how is she having flash backs of Arthur?
@@Peak_2404 Because they made the story that way?
Of course she is thinking about Arthur when her husband is about to get killed
pure headcanon I tell ya, pure headcanon
"You coming with us, pa?"
"I'll catch up."
💔
6:20
The way Uncle revived for a second .. I think that Lumbago helped him out after all.
He was holding it
Lumbago
I just get chills to see that scene again after so many years. I just played through rdr2 for the first time and then jumped into rdr1, haven’t finished yet, but watching this and remembering all what happens is just so sad and heartbreaking. What an AMAZING story rockstar has written for us
Fr bro this scene hits even harder than it already does after you play rdr2
Pls how do you get red dead 1 I NEED TO KNOW TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME
@@SlizMaster xbox or playstation has it
I like the part where Jack astral projected himself for a few seconds in the beginning
It looks like a grown man with a small afro too XD
Yeah that shit was spooky
Ironic that you can fail in a mission that you will die at end of......
Yea it happens in rdr2 too. Micah will beat Arthur to death and you’ll fail even though he ends up dying minutes later anyway and John already got away
@@14TND88 well he had to tell dutch or else dutch wouldn't have shot micah 8 years later the last conversation with dutch was what needed to happen
I mean technically in rd1 it’s because Johns protecting his family
Gotta make sure they safe before you can die
W
I am really liking the Uncle is Red Harlow theory, adds a lot to tge character. He had his wild times in his youth, settled all his scores and every day after that was gravy. So he slowed down, became lazy and happy and didn't care what anyone had to say about it as he had nothing to prove to anyone. Yet under it all he was still a good shot and a fighter, he stayed loyal to his family and went down fighting in the end.
no
Cool theory's but it's not him sadly
Uncle isn't Red Harlow. Damn I bet for a f*cking 10000euro it isn't him. The timline don't add up. And the looks and everything else. Just NO!
I don’t know what y’all are talking about, but uncle is red Harlow it’s 100% confirmed by rockstar
@@bullseyebulldog8001 That's literally not true lol.
I honestly believe, because Abigail died only a few years after the event, she died from a broken heart.
“when im gone they’ll just fine another monster, they have to, because they have to justify their wages”
Gotta love the fact that he went out on his terms to the point he didnt let the bullets knock him down. He wanted to print his image to the back of their eyes.
I find it heartbreaking that after John’s death, the old jack who had hated violence and killing was likely filled with so much hate against Ross. So much that he practices gunslinging and becomes a totally different person just to get revenge against him
I actually liked Uncles death here he went out truly on his shield despite being the lazy joking lumbago man he was he fought till the end to protect johns family and redeemed himself same as Arthur and John
I love the uncle is red Harlow theory and that he fell in with Dutch to take the heat of himself.
Lumbago
"Keep riding and don't look back"
-Arthur Morgan and John Marston.
Two very noble men
The ending is so much darker when raining..
Fr. Never seen it in the rain before
The fact that John hugs Jack cus he knows he's gonna die is heartbreaking...
Something that you should know , if you use a carcano and snipe the second wave of soldiers uncle wont have a bulletwound and the same cutscene will play, i like to joke that uncle had a heart attack.
No the lambago finaly got him
@@namethefifth7315 finally the mystery has been solved the lumbago struck when he stopped thinking about it XD
Oh damn, I just realized Micah said Blessed are the Peacemakers and that was written on John's grave.
That was also the name of a mission in rdr2
Isn't that also the mission Arthur gets captured by Colm? More reference to Arthur
Its a Bible verse
@@brucemiller4322 no it isn’t,Arthur wasn’t a thing in rdr1 or when rdr1 came out, it’s a bible verse
@@cjmodmanboom8518 I said John's grave. I thought something like that was written on John's grave in rdr1. I haven't played it in years so maybe I'm wrong. It was something similar to that anyway
John was such an amazing character. He did everything for his family and he didn't even flinch when his time came. He sacrificed himself so they could be free. Unfortunately, like a Quentin Tarantino movie, the cycle repeats itself.
Lumbago
"like a Quentin Tarantino movie" man come on lol
This series with one and 2 honestly brings emotions out in me that no other game has come close to
"The day John Marston stops shooting" i mean... Yeah he stops shooting alright
A nice foreshadow
@@Nofrnzclub definitely. Gotta love the writing in these games
Imagine Alternative universe where Arthur, Uncle, John, Jack against the army 💀
Johns death really reminds me of Michas, they both just stand up for like 10 seconds after getting shot tens of times & slowly collapse to the ground
Micah casually walks off then dies after like the third step he takes 😂
@@vadar0521 "you shot me pretty good" turn around and collapse meawhile you shot him 10 time in head
When adrenaline's flowing this isnt impossible.
That scene really was the good (John) the bad)Dutch) and the ugly(Micah)
Both heroes in this story feel like they go out swinging, the only way a warrior can go out. It’s powerful to be in the driver’s seat for those narrative moments.
I like the sound of the rain slapping the roof. Relaxing. Most games don't bother with rain sound effects while indoors, some games will just delete the weather entirely once you go inside.
I really hope that they make a remake of RDR1. I would love to see this scene (and all of the game) in the same quality of RDR2. Maybe they could even add some little references to Arthur into a remake (but not too many, to keep the idea that RDR2's epilogue gave us that the reason that Arthur isn't mentioned much is because it's painful for John - which is a nice way to explain the in-universe reason for the lack of reference in RDR1 to such an important character to John's story, but it would still be nice to have some little details for those players who have played RDR2).
Oof... do I got bad new for you, sadly rockstar has instead went the milking route of GTA rather than remastering/remaking RDR1, it's a real shame would've liked to play it again maybe even have a better epilogue with Jack.
@@riskrunner4532 Yeah, I've heard the news about the remaster being shelved. I'm hoping that it will be un-shelved in the future, after the release of GTA6 (and I hope it will be a remake, not a shit-show remaster like the GTA "definitive editions").
@@riskrunner4532 I wouldn’t say it went the milking route since they’re finally working on the new one
I agree with this. Maybe they could have a picture of Arthur, or maybe the main members of the game even, in John's house? A little detail that you'd have to pay close attention to see
John should never look back. Ross had found him, kidnap his family, force him to do his dirty work and double crossed him.
Actually they still would’ve found them because I got the impression they were going to use Micah the same way they use John to hunt his old gang they might have found John eventually if they used Micah
@@tonydaza8504 Micah would've never been able to get it done though... If it was Micah that walked up to Fort Mercer in Exodus of America, Bill would've shot Micah the moment he laid eyes on him. Hell, he would've never survived Mexico.
@@ethanshaheen8351 Possibly yeah
@@tonydaza8504 remember what Dutch told John at Micah's hideout on Mount Hagen? "Same as you, I suppose" He came to kill Micah so he would have died anyway, even if John never went there
@@Scared_Yoda exactly but eventually they would discover John
Can we just stop to appreciate the beauty in theses sacrifices, and notice the ugly cycle that continues. Arthur Morgan fought and died to give the marstons a fighting chance. John and uncle fought to make the dream of being a homesteader come true. Uncle fought and died in the hopes the marstons could make it out. John took a final stand trying to give his wife and son a chance at that life the Pinkerton's destroyed, knowing he couldn't win the fight. Abigail fought so Jack wouldn't become a gunslinger. Arthur died so John didn't have to be a gunslinger anymore, John still became a gun slinger. John died so Jack didn't have to be a gunslinger anymore, Jack still became a gunslinger. The sacrifices continues on, and the cycle continues. They all die for each other, until little Jack is the only one left in the Vanderlin gang. "You can't change your future and you can't outrun your past." Rest in peace, Arthur, Uncle, John, and Abigail. You all died heroes in my eyes. 💔😭💜 My question is, what happened to Sadie Adler and Charles? Did Sadie ever make it to south America? And did Charles ever leave with his people? 👀 Pls let us be Sadie in rdr3, or Jack looking for Sadie in South America. I'd even settler for a Mafia style 1920s Jack Marston play through. 😂. Give us more red dead games! 🇺🇸😂 Oh or let us be Hosea watching Arthur and John growing up 😇 there are so many storylines they can do!!! 😈🤣
RDR is not mafia. It's the wild west. Let us keep it this way.
Shouldn't we be Dutch and not Hosea for it to make sense?
@@Inte334 how would it make more sense as dutch? I mean either would do but Hosea had a family he left to see before the prequel, that's why I picked him, just thought his back story was a bit more interesting 🤔 maybe a choice between the two 🤷😂
I'm sure rockstar has put a fork in RDR
I never played this sequence under rain, it's insane
Correct me if im wrong but it could be a mod, the missions were in most cases fixed weather and the horse that jack rode had insane speed for such a lesser considered breed in the game, dont get me wrong the weather was a nice touch until ross lit a match in the blistering rain but i think as amazing as rdr1 was it still had primitive mission programming and not so much detail as the prequel
@@dieselpower8308 yes sure, It's probably a mod or something.
It’s cinematic
It’s more fitting
@@twinky_powers wasn't this game only released for Xbox 360 and PS3. I don't think modding is likely
RIP John, Abigail, and Uncle they will be missed but Jack he isn't dead yet and he's going to avenge his family if it's the last godamn thing he's going to do before he dies ( I took a line from rdr2 when Arthur said to John he'll help him get to his family if it'll be last godamn thing he'll do) RIP Arthur as well.
The Marstons will never learn - they'll olways lokk back - but i get why, its truly a amazing story.
The last true legends of the wild west - Arthur and John
Arthur: Listen, when the time comes, you gotta run and don't look back. This is over. John: I will, I will.
"The day John Marston shopped shootin"
Some nice foreshadowing by Jack, too.
If they ever make an RDR 3, a cool Easter egg would be a book titled “The Day John Marston Stopped Shooting “ by Jack Marston somewhere in the game
Jack did write a book entitled "Red Dead Redemption" which can be seen sitting on a book shelf in GTA V.
"ain't this a beautiful spot?" - the strange man
I’ve never noticed how similar his stance is to Micah’s when they both die.
You shot me… you shot me pretty good… dies*
John didn’t say anything when he was dying
So Morgan was looking for justice
and Marston was looking for peace
"You're gonna keep going and don't look back". John does remember Arthur's advice
Never let anyone say a Marston died without a fight
9:40 „The Day John Marston Stopped Shoting”
Would have been a pretty good book, huh.
Probably a better game though.
0:01 are we just gonna ignore jacks twin temporarily teleporting into our realm?
this is such a realistic portrayal of death, its out of nowhere, unfair, frustrating. john doesn't lay on the ground and say his last words as he dies he simply just dies. honestly one of the saddest deaths in gaming history
it's crazy that Edgar Ross could light a match in that wind that was noticeably moving the trees
not to mention the fact that this scene almost perfectly mirrors the very last time abigail ever saw arthur :(
You know what something just hit me that never quite made sense, uncle, the one who got slandered all the way through the prequel lumbago or not the man who was so useless the whole time yet proved his undying loyalty until the end, was in fact the only member who was never buried, kinda sad considering Arthur john and uncle were the only ones who earned their redemption
I had to go back and look because i thought i might've been wrong , but i wasn't lol
Look at 13:20 and you can see the three headstones, they were definitely buried next to each other.
Don't worry, Jack buried Uncle. He's right next to Abigale.
Wtf he was buried
He was loyal because the marathons put a roof over his head and fed him. Uncle had no where else to go.
@@leopoldstotch7721 ah yes the Marathons
0:36 reference to John eaten by wolves in RDR2
It’s been so many years since I’ve played this game. I remember crying back then, and it still makes me tear up now. I hate rockstar, but god damn do they know how to make a compelling story
i also think it's cool how if arthur dies with high honor, his grave, adorned with flowers, says "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness" because of his desire to change. john's grave says "blessed are the peacemakers" which reflects the way he has changed. i think maybe both graves were made to be a little similar? idk, just thought it was nice.
arthur and john dying in both games felt like losing a brother, or a good friend. after their deaths ingame i was legit crying irl and starting new games didnt help either it didnt have that charm that the first time had. still, rockstar really knows how to make bangin stories that make your eyes tear up like hell and i applaud them for that, even though they may not always make good/do good things for their games
Everyone in the gang: "Don't look back."
Still everyone: *Proceed to look back.*
That's the point of the entire series
It's human nature. They're not heros and Supermen. They're just regular guys that mess up
I thought the game ended when John was murdered
I was 16 when I played the game, so I cant really remember exactly how I felt
What I do remember is hanging my head and not believing after all that story to get back to the family, that asshole Ross still killed him
Lots of tragic stories I can think of, but the end of RDR1 holds a very special place in my heart
Jack Marston, the last surviving member of the Van der Linde gang
I wonder if Tilly, Pearson or the other members were found and executed
Adding the prequels technically not. Pearson,Sadie,Mary Beth,Tilley and charles
"The day John Marston stopped shooting" This line....im boutta start tearing up
If they really do remake this game then I think they should add some dialogue of John talking about Arthur. It just seems odd that he never mentions the man that saved his family.
I just saw today that rockstar put the remasters for RDR1 and GTA4 on the shelf to focus on GTA6 because of the GTA Trilogy failure. It kinda crushed my spirit to be quite honest.
@@RedsDeadBaby you’d think they would’ve realized even before they remastered the gta trilogy that people care WAAAAAAAAY more about gta4 and rdr1
Oh yeah and they didn’t put it on the shelf they put it in the fucking trash can
rdr2 has some scenes that explain why he isnt mentioned in the game, there are scenes that echo arthur and if they do remaster rdr 1 they might add an easter egg in the game like arthurs hat by a table in johns home for example , but dialogue will be the same, itll be a while till we get a remaster, maybe after the release of gta 6 whenever that is
It’s also been 12 years after his death, John likely moved on. But i do think he would mention Arthur at least once especially when talking to Dutch
@@itookashittoday1146 Yeah, the issue with the remasters wasn't which games they chose. It was that they decided the best way to "remaster" the originals was to train an AI to upscale everything and, seemingly, didn't then go in and realise it was a complete failure and waste of time and they really ought to have gone in and done a lot of it by hand.
Honestly, if that was the plan they had for GTAIV and RDR, then I'm happy they shelved those. I'm not being over-dramatic when I say RDR especially would have been rendered unplayable by such a treatment.
I agree with the sentiment that Abagail did indeed die of a broken heart. Think about it, John saved her in every way possible, he knew her history but he wanted her, through that she gained trust, & respect, & the truest love she'd ever known, & in the end he saved her again & gave her a chance for a life, this broke her soul & spirit. I've seen this 1st hand my Mother & Father, my mom passed 1st & yr and half later my father past, he was lost without her, they were married 47 yrs, mom had a massive heart attack, & dad died from liver cancer, it was all so sudden, as this was all unfolding around me & my brother Christopher, this is when he was still alive, he died a yr after dad that nearly ended me. My whole family within 3 yrs. I think when we love someone so much, and they pass a part us dies to, it hurts our heart & our soul to lose what once was everything & mattered so much. One thing I learned after my loss is don't remember how they died, but how they lived, in that way all your memories are good ones, and you honor their lives. We have to go on, we can't give up, they would never want that for us, after all they gave us life & brought into this world. My memories all started out in 1962, but didn't end in 2005 when my brother died, they go on until my time is up, if Heaven is real, & I hope it is I'll see my family again. So yes I agree that John's death just destroyed her, they had gone through too much together, she could not go on. I did a lot reading about Abagail's death, there's no mention of how she died whatsoever. What hurt was watching Jack standing at all the graves, that killed me he lost everyone, that hit me hard. Everything he'd ever known was gone, and now where does he go?, what does he do? We know the answer we saw it coming, Ross was a total bastard, he used John in every way possible, had John do all of his dirty work. Where he was mistaken, there would be a calling & a retribution, Jack saw to that.
My condolences
@@adamniehaus5835 thanks Adam, we survive We go on, thanks Brother 😁
Sorry man. All the best to you.
Honestly John's death hurst even more after playing rdr2 all of sacrifices Arthur and the gang made so John and Abigail could only have 4 years of happiness until you know...
And at 7:59 Arthur also tells John to also go look for a place to hide as well and also that he would catch up with John. This is when Arthur's horse is shot and he goes and comforts The horse and then after that he gives his hat to John
When does Arthur tell John to go hide
It still hurts a full decade later 😭
Welcome to heaven John
I always did like John. Shame he was ended like this.
@@sadieadler5922 welp jack kills Ross
@@arthurmorgan9614 Revenge is a fool's game, but perhaps we're all fools sometimes.
dude i hate the rdr fanbase the games are awesome
Who tf gave y'all phones 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I find it emotionally difficult to play as John in rdr2 epilogue. It still shocks me to this date how John dies.
I feel like John was my family it's crazy what Rockstar did there. They created a character that the player has a deep relatiosnhip with an then brutally kill him off....these sadists
“Run, and don’t look back”
Arthur and John, right before their deaths.
Go and don't look back! I feel like those words played in John's head when taking the stand against that back stabber Ross
If only those words went through his head before he killed Micah
Just played RDR for the first time and finished it today. I knew the ending for years as does everyone. It’s an iconic ending. But Jack saying “The day John Marston stopped shooting” was jaw dropping when knowing what comes next. Just so sad that that book will be written sooner than expected
I've always thought John could've survived if he engaged dead eye with the 22-bullet Evans Repeater and shot everyone in the face, instead of using a Revolver
1:32 reference to the life of John in RDR2
That “thank you son” always gets me
9:01 The thunder when he walked out was cool
Dan Houser needs to come back writing video games...
The day uncle lost his lumbago😔
0:01 anybody else see Jack phantom walking?
I like how they used the organ instrument, it feels like you can't fight no longer, your fate is here
Say what you want about Dutch but he was right. They have to find another "monster" to justify there wages. It's quite sad. But it was foreshadowing. From there I knew it immediately, John would die in the end.😔
Abigail’s last “I love you” breaks my heart 😭
0:01 we just gonna ignore jack as a ghost?
Arthur went out on a army chase
John went out on a army chase
I love how Abigail rides away believing John when he says “Ain’t no trouble”. He’s been through worse than this before!
she was probably having a flashback of Authur putting her up on the horse with Sadie and having them ride off before he was killed
0:01 the ghost of jacks innocence leaving
There should’ve been an alternate ending where Jack writes a book about his dad and the Van Der Lind Gang and calls it Red Dead Redemption
It would probably happen in rdr3
If the gta and rdr universes are connected then going off the easteregg in gtaV that's probably what he did after the epilogue
in gta v in michaels house theres a book called red dead written by J. marston
@@brandon-eo5mg Franklins house
The day john marston stopped shooting is the day he took 47 bullets to the chest from 18 different gunmen
@10:00 Yeah, I do believe I heard Arthur say those very words a lot during the 2nd half of the game.
Nah💀
"today, John Marston stopped shooting" damn that hits hard
It sucks that Charles and Sadie aren't there. Landon would maybe offer help but the problem was that he died in his sleep a week before this happen.
Uncle and John were all by themselves against them. Honestly, I'm glad Uncle found John again at Blackwater. If he hadn't, he'd probably die somewhere else.
Playing RDR2 as John after 1 was just too damn sad knowing their fate in the end. But for what is worth, John died as a better man with a better life for his wife and son, than that snake rat to which there's a name for that but we'll call it Micah.
As for Ross, he got what's coming to him by the last member of the Dutch Van Der Linde gang: Jack Marston.
I have a feeling that Red Dead Redemption not only is an unique franchise, but the only one that will never work with sequels, but with prequels, and the beauty of it, it's that it works perfectly since we are slowly going back to the wild wild west. I wouldn't be surprise if next prequel, we were some sort of Civil War traitor, trying to escape war, joining a band to live as an outlaw.