1983: Are YOU a POSEUR? | RPM | Retro Fashion | BBC Archive
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- Tom Archer visits Bristol, where posing is rife. The epicentre of this outbreak of voguish vanity is thought to be Bristol University's Wills Building, where the most dapper university students congregate each lunchtime to see and be seen. The phenomenon has been dubbed "Wills at One", and it is thought to be contagious.
Tom interviews various young people hanging around Bristol's colleges, streets and bars about the way they dress. Do they think of themselves as poseurs?
This clip is from RPM (Rectangular Picture Machine), originally broadcast 24 January, 1983.
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Love this. The 80’s was one of the best decades for expression when it came to fashion. So experimental, much like the 60’s!
2:09 love that guy with the hardcore bristol accent, especially after all the posh toffs
I turned 21 in December 1989 and so was lucky enough to have lived my teen years in the 80s. It really was the best time to have been a teenager, of course nobody actually knew it at the time!
Funny thing is that I was only 1 to 11 during the 80s but I was following the music for most of that time and really enjoyed it. Obviously couldn't understand a lot of the lyrics but you could tell the music was fantastic even at the age of 5 or 6.
In 1983 I was 18 years old,( same age as those in this film), working building sites as an apprentice joiner. Working in conditions and at a job that I hated but couldnt give up as there were so very few job opportunities. My life was the polar opposite of the people in this film. I guess that is what comes of having parents that are well off, their kids could choose. I still ended up with a good life but it was a different journey.
Were roughly around the same working class backgrounds honestly would you want to be these people? Me hell no
Not everyone at university was posh. The grant gave well-read, super intelligent , over-achieving, working class kids like myself a way out of the misery of physical labour...just in time for physical labour to start paying much better than intellectual work. I couldn't believe it when I heard about thick kids from my school buying flashy cars and decent houses. If I could go back in time I would learn a trade and become a Loadsamoney
@@IAmSoMuchBetterThanYou thick kids...theres nothing worse than reverse snobbery ..more fool you
Yes you did. You could have worked a bit harder to go to university
A free education should be available for all highly intelligent pupils.
Select them at primary level, and give them the best secondary education they deserve, whether they be middle-class or working-class.
Let those children with mediocre intellects or who are just plain stupid do apprenticeships.
" I fought for this at the Harrods sale" has translated nicely into modern times.
I mean.....it is a Crombie, after all?..
He still has that coat - or his son wears it.
oh gawd these avatars styled like how we grew up
Students start dressing down at the end of the '50s. The establishment: "Scruffs!"
Students start dressing up at the beginning of the '80s. The establishment: "Poseurs!"
Can we just appreciate how brilliant this channel this
Absolutely!
How this channel this what?
I always remember poseur being something of an insult when I was at school in the 80s. 😂
Whatever the motivation, I applaud the effort.
Guy at 2:56 would easily fit in today. Funny that all the punks had Bristol accents and the posh kids had the cravats.
I was only a youngster during the 80s but I remember seeing more diverse subcultures/tribes then, than I did in any other decade subsequently. Rockers, Punks, Skins, Surfers and Goths ....the Goths definitely looked the most exotic.
Best comment. Since then it's as if most have rebelled against being rebellious!
The Punks, Rockers, Goths with their hair style and Dark dress used to scare the hell outa me
"I fought for this in the Harrods sale" proper made me 😆 A nice little insight into the world view of these privileged Uni kids from affluent backgrounds. How the other half live, and all...
That being said, whatever class or background it was definitely a diverse and expressive time, fashion and culture wise. People's personality and quirks were more in evidence in their dress sense than they are today. I'm not saying I miss the 80's fashions per-say, but I do miss that diversity of styles and range of expression.
uh now literally raids 80's styles
Wearing something flamboyant, original or daring then was a national pastime for many of us in the 1980s. It was still going in the 1990s, but with each year that goes past, you see it less and less. I think it is perhaps because young people now express themselves in their online identities.
I don't think there were that many people posing like this. I used to walk past this building nearly every day, and go to the Students' Union building all the time in the early 1980s, and hardly saw anyone like the people in the video. There was somewhere called the "Dugout Club" down the road from this building on Park Row where more of these might be found.
Time that 80s fashion makes a real comeback. I've seen some mullets reappearing but the 80s were much more than that. I had awesome striped jeans and shirts with newspaper print. Some neon stuff, wild patterns in orange and teal on a white blouse and shorts with ancle high Nikes and short hair in the back and a wild tuft at the front! Best clothes and stlye I ever had!
That sounds so awesome. I was similar, and hate that I 'toned down'!
I like how some of the young folk weren't "taking the bait".
Tom was trying to create a narrative, or an argument, maybe.
(2:10) Quite wise.
ha ha brilliant snapshot of good ol'brizzle in the 80's
Ahhhhh. Bristol Uni in the’80s. Brilliant fun.
I fought for this in harrods sale 😂😂 humble posh
Having attended a very middle-class public university in the late 2010s, I think most Zoomers nowadays go for a utilitarian ethos in fashion and have never really cared about the question of who’s a “poseur”. It’s fascinating that 1980s society was a bit more interested in that question.
Really? What do you think a name dropper is? A person who poses as a celebrities friend, to get clout. Clout anther poser-like word.
How about a troll on the interiorweb? Aren't they mentally posing, as people who actually think differently than they really do?
How about at the workplace? People are constantly being posers at work. We just tend call them, brown nosers.
How about any time, you've heard someone say, "that person is so fake"? Every time that happens, someone is using a different term for somebody being a poser.
Religious people would call it, being a hypocrite. There are too many of those that exist.
Just because you specifically don't use the word poser, doesn't mean the idea isn't still in full swing. Any time you've said, "I don't like the way your acting", what you are actually saying is, I don't like how you're pretending/posing to be the way you are? You feel the person isn't being normal or real, aka they are being a poser.
Around the time of the video, people used words like rad, or bogus and ralph. Just because those words aren't popular anymore, doesn't mean we don't think things are still cool, or other things are ungenuine, and that we've stopped puking.
Don't worry people are just as shallow today, as they were in the 80's. If anything more people are shallow these days. That's why so many people are called, phonies, to this day. People only concentrate on what seems obvious. Though they can't see what's truly obvious, even if it's spelled out for them.
Perhaps this was just a California variation on a theme, but it was used then and there to signify a person who dressed like a a punk or a new wave music fan without knowing anything about the music. I think there are a lot of young people today who misrepresent themselves on social media, for example, by faking being rich, posing with a private plane or in first class, ad nauseum. The 80s use of poseur had more to do with not being hip to a scene.
lol because they raid all our generation's and culture's and cultural heritage's styles
why would they want to face that
@@northernsnow6982 None of these things are a 'poser'. Vaguely related things isn't the same. Based on this video 'poser' sounds like some undefined group with affected fashion they all know and have in mind, rather than literally saying someone in particular for a particular reason is fake or affected, which you would only say if it was really obvious and obnoxious, or you feel threatened. As if you could be a poser with something like clothes anyway, the only qualification to begin with is that you're wearing them.
From this video, it seems more like tribalism. Which is a classic thing that happens with popular labels. The posers are a supposedly clearcut group everyone knows is worthy of derision, yet no one is really sure who is a poser and what makes them one, because the notion is removed from specific context and made into a tribe. A bad word to escape.
@@skyworm8006 look up the definition of poseur, and the synonyms for the word. You'll find the definition says, "a person who pretends to be what he or she is not."
You'll find some of the synonyms, support the words/scenarios I used. Words like, "pretenders, fakes, phonies, hypocrites, impostor, impersonator, imitators, mimics", amongst many other similar words, including "poser".
Then come back and try and say, whatever it is you were saying. Try to say it more clearly, and precisely. Try to understand the word, before teaching a lesson on it. Or just try to save face, and make yourself look more of a tryhard. Whatever you do, just don't try to fool me, when you haven't got a clue, ya intelligence poseur/poser/faker/pretender.
Most of these people will be much older now and deeply embarrassed about their looks now - I would love to see an update so funny
Acid flashbacks of 'The Young Ones' and 'Comic Strip Presents... '.
The young ones was filmed in Bristol
It's a shame we've lost the flamboyance of this era. I walk around central London and, even in the heart of the capital, almost every man I see seems to be wearing either a puffer jacket or gillet and, of course, trainers and jeans. The stove hat and starched collar of the 21th century. Rarely do I see anyone dressed interestingly. I've certainly never seen anyone wearing a flower in their lapel. The only possible exception being Remembrance Day - about the only time of the year you can get away with incorporating a bit of colour into your look without being ostracised. Having said that, I can't say I'm nostalgic for the accents and the attitudes. England, at least on the surface, seems like a much more open, egalitarian place to the strange, divided nation captured in this film. But then, divisions create tension, rifts in the social body from which new things emerge out of the constant friction, which is probably why we're not quite as musically or artistically interesting as we used to be either.
Excellent analysis
You can blame sportswear for that - it doesn't leave you with much scope for creativity. To wear something other than a pair of trainers would be unthinkable to most under 30s
i was wearing a puffer jacket and sneakers in primary school before this
the styles now are also largely our generation's styles, and older
lolz
People now dress more how they want instead of being invested in the idea that you need to react to social pressure (in this case appropriate fashion) by making a big display of doing something 'unique' and making self-important cliques to reinforce that. Nowadays people don't see wearing a different outfit as being part of a subculture and having great social importance. So the appeal is only for those who are into fashion in and of itself. Or more often less into fashion and more into the act of buying things. Otherwise people can't be bothered with something they don't care much about so they tend to be samey and convenient.
It’s fun to see how each generation deals with trends
0: 40 young Boris doing some posing 😮
I was born in the late 70s and can remember the term 'poser' being a derogatory term throughout the 80s... "look at that poser!" meant someone who had expensive clothes - and he/she had made no other effort. They are still going strong today, I'd say!
They look - and sound - so mature!?....They're only 20 years old at the oldest but most of them seem more like they're pushing 30.
Because up until about 1990 it was fashionable for young people to try to seem or look older than they actually were. From about 1990 onwards the opposite started to become the case. Take an 80s band like Heaven 17 for example. They all look like they're in their 30s at the height of their popularity (in about 1983) but were actually 10 years younger. One of the members of the band actually dyed his hair grey.
There were no Bristol accents in this program until right at the end.
2:09 sounded like one to me, although I'm from B'ham.
@@ajs41
Possibly at 2:09 but definitely at the end.
I would love to know what they are all doing today
I remember walking through Kingsbridge, Devon, with an "80's" all star " t" shirt on, thinking , this is it! I'm going to be different! i'm going to be somebody!!! I was eight. I never got to be anyone....
All the poseurs are on social media now.
styled like our cultures
I thought the chap at 2:29 was the snooker player Ronnie O'Sullivan at first glance
Sparklers on cocktails have probably been banned today because of health and safety.
Sheffield Uni 1984: This looks so familiar.
A lot of this style and creativity came from the social mixing that free education facilitated. The exclucivity created by excessive uni fees has led to a great cultural loss in the UK. Very short-sighted and sad.
But Tom is the stereotype we're used to, right? Tom Archer is/was the stereotypical Journalist. Well done Tom.
Most fashion in the 80s was made for poseurs but they're all pushing 60 now so I hope they managed to keep some of their individuality through the years when life got in the way (except for plastic orchids).
2:28 he never liked nor copied Dexy's Midnight Runners.
The Beeb should have let Dennis Pennis do these interviews. 😼
1:20 if Gollum and Mr bean had a child
No wonder the country is in such a state with this lot running things.
theyre all posing in parliament now..
Sunak was 2 years old at the time of this video.
Time traveller from today at 2:56
LoL You mean now looks like Imitators
02:54. Pewdiepie looking great for his age!
lol Pewdiepie represents the exact opposite
perhaps she might be my English punk sister
Bananarama @ 1:50
Erasure, a little respect!
@@fidelcatsro6948😂
I think historically, most people have wanted to look good, possibly to attract a partner, self-esteem etc. There have been a few times when kids of the day rebelled against that - the chav look, the mid 90s dad rock Oasis look... The 80s were great for good individualism.
'' the mid 90s dad rock ''
what
... Oasis look. @@aaof-d-mio-fv2fb
Come back England all's forgiven. The good old days
Oh piss off
@@carlaconnor8347 🤣 someone having a bad day?
i love this preppy fart and imitation era now
terrific 😙🤌
It's such a shame that people don't dress differently these days. Everyone aspires to just meld into each other now. Hoodies & trainers. How very dull. Mind you, I'm no different now. But if I was young again, I'd be outrageous!
I am a poseur and I don't care, I like people to stop and stare. 😁
Nice they visited that gay bar but as a gay man myself those cocktails were far too gay even for me 😬 🤣 🤣 not a spray tan, frozen botox forhead or blinding white teeth in sight
Surfer Rastafarian 😂
3:03 - she looks like Mary The Punk in EastEnders who’d make her debut in 1985.
poser coconut society is the worst society
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