1964: The FIRST CHIP SHOP in DUNDEE | Tonight | World of Work | BBC Archive
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From Dundee, the first spot where chips were sold, Fyfe Robertson explores the origins of the perfect pairing of fish and chips.
Clip taken from Tonight, originally broadcast on 28 October 1964.
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Fyfe Robertson's eating and chatting for the camera is as natural as eating lunch with an old friend. Brilliant.
Eloquent ..informative unlike some reporters today !
@@luiathmorgan7709one of the very best
Television has no room for journalists like Fyfe Robertson anymore nor room, sadly, for this kind of gentle, enquiring reportage. He is delightfully idiosyncratic here and brilliant to watch.
I agree but are you like 80
@@user-mb4qs7tg8d I am 60, which is just old enough to remember Fyfe Robertson on television and TV programming like this.
@@markhayward7400 I’m not English so I didn’t know how much longer he lasted after this video career wise
@user-mb4qs7tg8d Fyfe Robertson was on TV in the UK fairly regularly until the late 1970s. Certainly, as a teenager I can remember watching him.
@@markhayward7400 what’s your favourite story he did?
"No, I didn't serve in the shop. It wasn't a shop."
"No! No! No."
"No, no. They didn't take it home."
"No, no, ye didnae peel 'em."
Mr. De Gernier was a tough interviewee.
Maybe should have done his homework? 😂
@@stepheng8779 Typical BBC interviewer.
Fact checking at its finest
Well the interviewer should of done a bit more research.
@@stepheng8779... He was On His Way To "THE THISTLE" 😂😂😂😂
I have NEVER seen anyone pour salt of the side of chips and use it as a dip before until today 😂
My grandparents use to do that. I guess it comes from people who were born in the early 1900's
Apparently royal etiquette is that you put a teaspoon of salt on the plate and dip the food
Same here lol
He was a cultured man.
Grand parents did it.
When an older family member would be unhappy about certain things reported in the newspaper, they would grumble,
"..Only good for wrapping chips in!"
Yep. People would say “bloody rag, I wouldn’t wrap my chips in it”.
today's news is tomorrow's chip paper
Reminds me of a quote by Shakespeare when he describes some of the soulless romantic novels as “ to be fit only for bum fodder”
I’ve been using the same chippy for 35 years! Seen three families come and go and it’s still going strong. My Dad used to take me there and now I take my daughter. The aromas still invoke happy childhood memories.
I remember fish and chips being wrapped in newspaper right up until the mid-late 1980's. Just the thought of that extra dimension the newspaper gave to the fish and chips aroma makes me salivate even now all these years later.
newspapers where only ever used on the outside, the chips themselves where wrapped in clean paper as you see in the video
I remember that as a kid too. I'm an 80s child.
Mid 90’s it was
“In recent times you think of Mods & Rockers etc “ 😂❤
I could listen to this gentleman expound on anything all day. Just great.
... " EXPOUND"... We Call It "JIBBER JABBER" But Educational... A Jolly Little Video 🎉🎉🎉 6:09
Fyffe Robertson was terrific
Yes! I was just starting secondary school around then and remember my parents watching his programmes. There was also Cliffe Michelmore, a co presenter of the programme I think.
"...away back in these times there was only one class, the very poor class!" Spoken with Scots candour!
At this point in time my mother was walking around Paisley Scotland pregnant - I was soon to arrive in february 1965!
I'm February 65. What date?
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Fyfe Robertson was truly the best.
@0:32 Chips in 1964 not being wrapped in old newspapers? Where i'm from i remember that still happened in the early 90s. Ahead of their time this chip shop was.
Fyfe Robertson is only 62 in this report. He died in 1987 at the age of 84
You have to say the presenters then were another level from todays clowns. Fyfe's dulcet tones are delightful.
Dude your rose tinned glasses are blinding at this point.
Been binge-watching these BBC Archive Episodes. Fantastic.
Portions have definitely grown since this was filmed.
A severe lack of newspaper to wrap up your supper, I notice. However, great item and terrific to see Fyffe Robertson again, a real telly icon of my childhood.
Using newspaper to wrap chips wasn’t as common as people think, and it certainly didn’t happen throughout the country.
newpaper where never used to wrap the chips, news papers where only used on the outside because the ink is poisenous. People seem to remember it all wrong
I’m surprised they didn’t discuss the crucial question about salt and sauce in Edinburgh, and salt and vinegar elsewhere in the civilised world
Out of order.....
A chippy without salt and sauce is like a cheeseburger without ketchup.
Fyfe Robertson, the national treasure of his day - ! 😊
My wife a Dundonian herself, reckons that he was 'awfy posh' when she watched the video - ! 😆
@@simongee8928aye, he sounds english
Considering he was an Edinburgh man, but they do sound posh in comparison - ! 😅
I grew up in Dundee during late 60s and 70s. We ate fish and chips wrapped in newspapers, preferably The Courier. We also ate with our fingers.
I remember pea and bean busters, mock chops,white pudding and banana fritters.
The Deep Sea in Nethergate was our favourite. Its now renamed. Not the same.
Please oh please describe some of these things. I can't find Pea and Bean buster on google. And what was mock chops made from? I love to hear about what people ate when they were kids.
@@coffeebot3000 A Buster was chips served with beans or peas. A mock chop was a lump of mechanically recovered meat, shaped like a chop, hence the name. They also did deep fried pizza. We used to fold it in half, and fill it with chips, and eat it like a kebab.
@@DasTubemeister Thanks. I could go for a nice buster.
The most shocking thing to me was watching him put salt on the side of his plate and dip chips in it 🤯
As a kid in the 60s I would get into terrible trouble if I sprinkled salt over my food, whatever the food was. The only polite way to do it according to my mother was to pour a little heap onto the plate and dip your food in it. I could never understand why my friends sprinkled instead.
Apparently it's still royal etiquette to put a little on the side of the plate and dip
I just got to that bit and thought the same thing 😂
Unfortunately this presenter is before my time but i think he is the best presenter ive ever watched.
Born in Gateshead in 1960. My old man said there were two fish and chip shops on our street. Top and bottom. I recall in the early 70s there were still lots of Fish and chip shops in my town. Sadly many have disappeared. We have one old hold out on Durham rd who's shop has been there since 1953. Visochis. They still do an excellent fish and chips. Bless them.
M&M' s was the best chippy in Gateshead.
There was a fish and chips shop - Pat and Hank's - in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, at least by 1963. (It may have been founded earlier than that - I was a very young nipper and don't recall its founding.)
And yes, there was newspaper wrapping. And as far as I know, most of the traditionalists in Canada use salt and vinegar (in fact, I remember a huge discussion of the relative merits of malt versus clear vinegar). Some johnny-come-latelies use ketchup - we tolerate them.
It's odd, but when I was a nipper in Birmingham, in the early 70's, we got our chips wrapped in old newspapers - I don't recall any paper containers.
Yes, we would put it all in a bag to take home, but it would still be wrapped in newspaper.
Perhaps it was regional or perhaps newsprint paper came back into fashion. That wrapping didn't last long though - but we still get our chips wrapped in the same type of paper, just without the print.
Wrapping chips in newspaper died out when printing presses started buying back unsold copies and recycling them.
That started in the 70s on a mass scale, so it probably varied by area whether newspaper was used or not.
This might be one of the most entertaining things I've ever watched.
Oh my what a beautiful sight.
Fyffe Robertson always a treat to listen to back in the day and now !
Shame he wasn't around to do an " audio book , " What a joy that would have been !
In 1995 when I was at Uni I would get F&C regularly late at night from a tiny shop on Blackness Rd, Dundee. Great memory
The Victor
0:30 easy on the chips there
Fantastic
Wonderful rich voice and snippet of a long lost world I miss so dearly 😢
Fascinating how portion sizes have changed. I watched some old newsreel from the late 60's where a chip-shop owner was moaning because he'd had to increase the portion size for fish from 4 to 6 ounces (110-170g) because people said the traditional 4 ounce portion didn't fill them up anymore. 'Large' is the smallest portion at my local chippy at 9 ounces (244g); that's 2.5 times the normal portion of 60 years ago.
I can't help but wonder if this was the start of the obesity epidemic?
I remember Fyfe on the tv as though it was yesterday ........ never missed his programme. He was a complete down to earth natural😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's interesting seeing the world my old man grew up in. I wish I could have experienced it.
Brilliant stuff
Stinging eyes from a ton of vinegar on hot chips and your clothes stank of it aswell when the vinegar leaked out the sodden newspaper !
GREAT MEMORIES
The Scots do a good chippy not going to lie - whenever Man United draw a Scottish team, I always have a chip shop supper before I head back south to north Manchester.
I concur, as a Jock living in England, look forward to heading back north for a chippy. Do bigger naan bread also.
As a kid I remember getting my chippy wrapped in newspaper, and that was in the early 2000s haha
Never mind on you Tube, this should be rebroadcast on the telly!
Love this. Although Dundee was obviously light years ahead. We we still getting fish n chips in newspaper until 20 years ago in Yorkshire
3:55 I've never seen anyone dip chips into a pile of salt before
i used to do that with sweet chestnuts
It must be an old fashioned thing. Apparently it's still royal etiquette to do that. Personally I think too much salt would go on each chip 🤷♂️
I rember fish and chips in newspaper in ireland around 1990😂
0:30 - Find it fascinating that the portions (especially chips) back then were tiny compared to today.
I can count only 20 chips being served.
Did he just pour a pile of salt and dip the chips in it?
Fyfe was true 'old school'. Prior to salt shakers, salt was served in a..........wait for it...........a 'salt'. A salt was normally silver, about the size of a Bluebell Matchbox and it had a Bristol blue glass liner so as to protect the silver from tarnish. Hope I'm not boring you too much as there's more! There was a tiny wee silver spoon that sat in the salt and you placed a small amount of salt on your plate and whenever something needed salted, you used the tip of your knife to move it on to the piece of meat for example. It was never spread about your food as it may not all have required salt. Salt was very expensive and way back in the day, Roman soldiers were paid in salt! Hence the saying, 'he's worth his salt' (his salary/wage). Now I'm off to do a nice plate of chips for my lunch!
@@chelamcguire Salts have been around since the 16th century. Wonder when someone sprinkled rather than dipped for the first time?
He also had a good run of rationing during the war I'm sure. Good way to not use too much salt.
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The past is a foreign country…
0:29 can we get some chips with that fish....
I like the oil in the background relaxing
Fish and chips cooked in beef dripping, delicious.
What a year 1874 .. chips and villa
I could do a passable voice imitation of Mr. Robertson in the early 70s 😂
How small is that portion?!
The first fish and chip shop opened in London in around 1880 the first curry house was 1830 ( I may have the dates slightly off) curry is more British and fish and chips.
Fife and Alan Whicker ! When telly worth watching 😊
What a lovely accent!
I remember certainly up until about 1999 getting a chippy wrapped in yesterday's news... Granted it was in a tiny negligible square of greaseproof then wrapped in yesterday's unsold news... But there's something *seriously* sentimental about _"that smell"_ from when the steam from your beef drip chips hits that printers ink and spreads to the surroundings 🤤🤤🤤 Carcinogenic or not... That's a smell from childhood my brain is subliminally tuned to!!!
You stab it so! 😂
The first ever chippy in UK? That’s a bold statement
Mmm, miss those Fish n Chips. ❤️
3:55 Strangest salt technique I've ever seen. Who knew salt was actually a dip?
Must admit I was surprised to learn you got chips served in cartons and got tomato sauce in sachets as early as 1964.Mustve been quite advanced in Dundee ..I remember getting chips in news paper well into the 70s
Made me think about the phrase that indicates someone's inability to find a partner on a Friday night in Scotland:
"Chips and hame."
Buy chips. Go home. Alone. 😆😆😆
Waxing poetic about fish and chips. They don't make TV like this any more. But of course now we have RUclips. But there you have to find it. This got served to you :)
It's Forth Robinson from The Men From The Ministry!😄
You just cant go wrong with a Fyfe report. Brilliant stuff. 0:30 is fascinating, compare that to how we gorge now. Although maybe Scotland is like Northern Ireland. When you order just a fish here, you always get a wee sprinkling of chips. Not like those tight fisted English lol
We never used to peel potatoes either when i started my first temp job as a 15 yr old in 1987 we washed them white too...the man at 3:05 in the background is like a spectre from the past.
I love thinking like this. Like who decided we could go from a cow, to a meat pie, or a stew. Or a lamb, to shepherds pie. All those ingredients and ideas evolving... Fascinating. (just so you all know I'm not looking for anyone to mansplain the answers to my questions).
Tight fisted English? Bailing you out for years!!!! Can't afford to give away chips. Lol
I miss the days when I was a lad afterschool. We’d get a cone of chips for 70p and a fluorescent coloured fizzy beverage to wash it all down with.
Salt dip, old school 😮
I'm from the US. I wondered in the UK, is there a specific fish that's usually used, or does that vary by region? Or do some of these shops have a choice of different fish?
It's usually cod or haddock. Sometimes plaice
@@katethomas5712 OK, thanks. Where I live the most popular fish is probably flounder or salmon, but cod is pretty easy to find. The fresh water fish we like are trout, catfish, crappie, and bass.
@@Mick_Ts_Chick Interesting. I'm not sure I can imagine some of those fish battered though. I've not heard of crappie?!
@@katethomas5712 Crappie are in lakes and ponds and are a type of sunfish like large mouth bass and bluegill. They are delicious fried! We pretty much fry everything up in the south, lol. I'm in North Carolina.
In Scotland you're much more likely to get haddock as the fish in a fish supper (what we call fish with chips), whereas it's more commonly cod elsewhere.
I didn't realise Mark Hughes was from Dundee!!
Lol for a second there when he said he went to get the coke I was imagining he brought back a stack of coca cola bottles, but of course he meant coke like coal.
I think the first chippy is at lochee Rd end of cleghorn St used to stay there
Now their bloody everywhere 😅😅
And we thought shrink-flation was bad now. That portion was woeful.
No wonder they were all skinny then.😂😂😂
Papier mache trays? What a novel idea............. :P
Paper mache tray in 1964 ... then we moved to that awful polystyrene . Now we see polystyrene as quite terrible because of it gassing off and tainting our food and not decomposing ...we are going back to compressed paper mache trays which people are wondering "why didn't we do this before" WE DID and this video proves it.
Important that we retain older technologies , some older technologies that is ...I'm not referring to the wee plastic sauce pot either!.
Fascinating film .
What tiny portions compared to now
0:29 someone got ripped off on chips!
I could be wrong but the first place in this video looks like Dora's in stobswell I left Dundee in the 1980s but it looks very familiar
10 chips?! That won’t fill you up
Kebab meat and chips would blow his mind!
A proper chippy doesn’t do kebab meat.
Small portion
Why is he dipping the chips in the salt? Was that the custom of the time?
When did vinegar get involved
... The Scot's Took it Up a Notch With the 'Deep Fried Mars Bar'... A 'MUNCHIE' Indeed 🏴🖖🤓 2:47
Notice chip portion size...
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When fish and chips were an economical meal.
The guy who works at my local chip shop swears he's elvis!
Well ya just never know.... 🤔
Like fried fish ball and eggplant in Hong Kong
Tiny portions there la
Where's his can of Irn Bru?
Dundee locals were once shocked in the mid 80s when a body was found in a suitcase on the shoreline.
They had never seen a suitcase before.
Unfunny r.sole.
Chips, plural. Hmm, just about.
Oyeee...come con el tenedor que tienes al lado.
Portions are now much bigger.
Look at that portion!! Holy cow, no wonder we're all obese now.
But I'd take a dozen well-cooked deliciously crispy chips over a kilo of soggy, steamy crap you get now any day!
Some years ago I bought a small, heavy based pan and the insert basket as my new 'chip pan' and also visited my butchers for a couple of pounds of lard. That was me up and running. I've never looked back. I make the finest chips going - or so I've been told. Folks talk of frying the right variety of potato - usually Maris Piper or Golden Wonder, I believe, but I fry any sort. It's down to a good long, slow fry in true animal fat. And there is not a pick on me and I'll have home made chips two or three times a week. Just love them and I never go to a chip shop any more. What a saving!
What are you meant to say to that.
I think NZ makes a better Fush and Chups
The world has changed a lot in 60 years. But then again the 1960s was hugely different to the 1900s. All those motor cars and television and this thing called fish and chips 🥴