I felt exactly the same way. That is the type of 911 operator that doesn’t care about anyone but themselves and they definitely, absolutely, positively DO NOT need to be a 911 operator !!!!!
@@mechengr1731I would watch the Vice special on exactly what those people have to deal with and you would have more compassion - imagine having to listen to people getting murdered or beaten or any other host of horrible things the amount of prank calls they get or calls that just don’t turn into anything - and to cap it off they aren’t exactly working with the latest and greatest tech like they show in the movies they can’t just find your location in 5 seconds they can only ping cellphone towers which isn’t accurate and they need to keep you calm so you can hopefully tell them clearly where you are the turnover/suicide rate is extremely high if you haven’t dealt with that you have no idea
I was a dispatcher and I would never tell someone to do what that dispatcher told Helen’s boyfriend to do. I would’ve sent someone out to do a welfare check. Pure and simple. She should be fired
But he didn't have the address, just the city and they told him he was calling the wrong jurisdiction. By the third of fourth call he finally had the address and they could direct the call to get police out there, but I don't know why they didn't ask for the names to try and look it up for him? We didn't get to hear the entire calls though?
Well you are not a dispatcher, NOR are you a psychic, so the benefit of hindsight is your bias. Do you know how many concerned callers to dispatch end up unfounded? He didnt even know where his gf lived, and he was ringing from Texas. The dispatcher did her job clearly and concisely, textbook. Sorry you have a problem with that.
@@paulinegallagher7821- Ah yes, that particular mix of condescension and disdain that is characteristic of so-called “public servants,” i.e. unionized government employees.
I think the only reason Carlos knew what was going on is because Helen had spoken to him briefly after Megan killed their mom. Helen was probably able to convince her sister, who she’s very close to, that she would help her cover it up. While Megan went to get her clothes changed and what not, Helen thought she had a minute to call (the person you would want to call the most) for council…Carlos, so she went into to the bathroom where Megan wouldn’t hear her and told him the details. That’s why she was sitting on the toilet fully clothed- she was on the damn phone. Helen may have hung up abruptly because she thought she heard Megan. Megan had heard her on the phone, stormed in screaming with the rifle pointed at her, Helen immediately went into a defensive squatting position with her head down to protect her face and her sister shot her through the top of her head. Carlos probably kept trying to call her back after that and couldn’t get her. After a while he realized he had to just say what was really going on because the damn police wouldn’t take him seriously and at that point he knew his gf may have been shot too.
Good point! 👉 The question is how long between the two deaths. Meagan is obviously a liar. Obviously Carlos had been very close to Helen. Yeah I think Carlos is the strongest evidence in this case. He knows what is happening and that's why he called police. Maybe Helen didn't think of calling or obviously went up to the washroom to get away from her sister at the scariest moment of knowing her mom has just been killed.
First sentence she spoke was suspect. Maybe she was looking forward to moving in with the guilty party. Can almost see the two with their heads together plotting against the mom and sister.
Truth doesn't matter to an emotionally based thinker. Because truth convicts & hurts their feelings & only their selfish feelings matter to them. That's why they lie & use their own version of subjective truth & reject absolute truth that convicts their feelings & requires them to discipline & control their feelings. They just reject truth & love their lie that they say is true, although it isn't. Same, self serving, emotionally based thinking used by every criminal & the non criminals that use dysfunctional behaviors to enable them, defend them & excuse lying & crimes.
@@bquietsouhear Exactly. It's cognitive dissonance. The friend is lucky Meghan is in jail, because it would be a matter of time before Meghan would have performed a nonviolent (ie, fraud) or violent act against her. It's really amazing what people choose not to see.
In every single trial I have ever heard of where they used the 'Toe/Trigger' defense, the defendant was found guilty! Shocker I know right?!? Why don't they just say a ghost did it or use the 'Some Puertarican Guy' defense?!? 🤣😂🤣
Obviously Helen pulled the trigger with her toe, got up, wiped the rifle down, wiped her phone, placed the rifle between her legs and then sat down and died. It’s way too obvious…
Megan Hargen was found guilty for a second time recently. Hopefully this time the jurors did what they're meant to do so that the verdict doesn't get overturned again. This woman is so clearly guilty
NO innocence person would say, " my family has been through enough, just pin it on me". That's hogwash!! An innocent person would be livid, ask for an attorney, rage, cry out! But NEVER EVER say anything like that!
I'm curious as to why there was a new trial. I suspect the reason was that Megan mentioned talking to a lawyer in her police interview ...several times and they didn't stop the interrogation! I don't know this for a fact but it stood out to me during the show.
@williamphillips2239 jury misconduct. One of them went home and tried to "test" the gun theory out for herself. She researched the case online. Then came back and shared with the other jurors her text results and what she learned. I hope she had to pay a fine or a night in the pokey at least! 😡 But thankfully, just a few days ago actually, a new jury found her guilty again.
Ikr lol. When Chris Van Sant asked her questions, he was sarcastic, and i could see it on her face that she knew he wasn't believing her "i just so happened upon all this big information" in the "one spot i was looking in".
Coincidences do happen. OR, maybe it looked out of place? The decision to pull out that one, would make sense if it were the only one slanted or out of place.
I knew Meagan was off right away. She was offering a lot of information without prompting. She immediately jumped to “Helen was depressed…they fought…” she was already laying the groundwork for focusing the police’s attention on the two of THEM and not her. When a body is covered with a blanket or something, it often indicates that the killer knew that person, and perhaps regretted what they’d done, and covered them up as a means to not see what they’d done. I feel bad for people like friends and family that are so dead-set on someone’s innocence that they ignore all the facts and evidence, relying instead on their feelings.
@@autumnk.buntion8869 A. Yes what a strange comment by that person. B. Yes you are correct about the reason why some killers cover their victims with a cover, they know them etc?
I don't think Megan's friend really knows what her friend is capable of I knew plenty of people that were nice and had lots of friends and also hated their family
Right? As a regular person ok you want to believe your friend. However long term employment with the justice department and you totally disregard all the evidence?
It's real easy when your victim is dead after the fact! She had no idea that the bank might call Pam to verify the transaction, on their own! She thought she had the bank fooled!
Bcs she either thought her mom would have forgiven her and in the meantime the house would have been bought or she knew she would have killed her mother the moment she knew.
Moms usually forgive so much, even when it's clearly wrong to do so. You see it all the time with spoiled brats breaking the law and having their parents bail them out over and over.
The logic and planning were fantastic in this case. And Julia's sixth sense to open THAT photo album, and then photograph the bank statements, brilliant. Both of them are what you hope a detective would be if you need help.
I'm willing to bet that the reason Helen didn't run for her life or call 911, was because after the mom was dead, there was a debate where Megan tried to convince Helen to help her cover it up. When Helen told her bf, all bets were off. Megan checked both the mom's phone and saw that the bank called, and saw that Helen contacted her bf. I bet Helen never thought she was in any danger from her sister, but maybe she was hiding in the bathroom when she told her bf, and got busted. Too bad she didn't call 911.
Yep.... I think you are absolutely correct. Megan was trying to get Helen on board with a cover-up of sorts. I also wondered why Helen didn't call 911 right away and instead called Carlos...🤔... only thing I can think of is she (Helen) was probably in shock. She HAD to have been in shock, no....? That would explain why she wasn't thinking clearly. Also she probably didn't think she was in danger from Megan. Clearly she was very wrong...:sigh:😢 Smh.
In the beginning, I thought they might have been in on it together. Then Megan betrayed her. But I do think she was hiding in the bathroom like you said.
Yes, I think Helen was hiding in the bathroom. I don't understand why bfriend didn't call 911 and when he did, why did he not tell them straight away what he knew 🤔
I wonder if they were in on it together, then the surviving sister thought all of the money was better than half. Both of these daughters seemed like trouble.Their poor mom.
The killer’s friend - someone who works for the Justice Department - “should” know that the burden of proof is beyond REASONABLE doubt, not (as she stated) “beyond the shadow of a doubt.”
She pulled the trigger with her toe??!! That's ridiculous!! RIP Pam and Helen, such a heartbreaking case, with our thoughts to the family and friends who are grieving 💜
There's been a lot of people who have actually killed themselves that way, but the entry wound was either to the face or under the chin, not to the back of the head. That makes the story completely unbelievable
In my case I was jealous because mom did spoil my other siblings and nothing really for me, but I got over it and when mom died all went nuts because they're gravy train dried up and myself said uh oh with the other exception my little brother wanted no part of it as soon as he could get bailed by marrying and eventually moved away. I still have issues with my little sister s kid's they do me as the one who birthed me I made some bad decisions and now trying to correct them.
@@bowlchamps37 So, what do you think the motive was then? Most murders that involve family members are crimes of passion ( jealously, envy, revenge etc). Helen was the baby of the family, beautiful, sweet- mom was buying her a house……
The Mom's greed too or perhaps her extreme self focus. VP at Lockheed? I'm sorry but you can't raise children properly with a bit of "quality time." Children, young children especially, need a lot of time with a parent for normal personality development. Even if you sleep 5 hrs/night, manage your time extremely well and have help, there's only so many hours in a day.
There’s always that naive friend! Until it’s a hung jury and she comes and lives with you and murders YOU and your family for your money, your husband or both! Unreal. 🤦🏼♂️
We have a family member who is extremely well off and worked their whole lives to be so…one son was bought a beautiful home and the other is still being constructed. Both sons have never held down a job for longer than 6 months and the other still doesn’t work.. 🤷♀️ both have been arrested numerous times.. I can not fathom having a beautiful new home gifted to me..
How did the gun get back between her legs after she shot herself? Ridiculous. She may have been sitting on the toilet crying when she was shot in the head straight down to the neck.
All humaity are affected unfortunately by the sins they committed themselves imagine the weight that Jesus christ suffered trying to carry such evil on his body and still say it is finished he came to end all evil n everyone still denies him
Law enforcement should be ashamed of themselves for DISREGARDING CARLOS! He tried and tried to tell 911 to help! I hope those 911 operators are all fired by now.
My take is Megan killed her mother when confronted with the the attempt to fraudulently transfer funds from Mom‘s bank account. Helen witnessed or heard the gun shots. Megan pleaded with Helen not to call 911. In a state of shock, confusion & fear, she reached out to her boyfriend and confidante and perhaps asked him to call 911 or may have simply called him for support after such a traumatic event. At some point Megan realized that Helen was not onboard with covering up for her and for that reason decided to end her. Either Helen told her outright that she has to call 911 or Megan just didn’t trust that Helen would cover for her. SAD and horrific!
Absolutely! The daughter needed 400k.. mom says no. Bank calls mom and says... did you request a wire transfer for 400k? Mom says, "Hell no!"... you've got to imagine mom hung up the phone and went straight to her daughter to confront her. That was the catalyst.... for that days events.
Yes, and just imagine how frightening it would be to walk around in the house with someone who killed your mom and you’re trying to avoid being killed yourself.
Helen never had the chance, she was already dead. That's why her phone was wiped clean. It was megan all along pretending not only to be her mother, but Helen as well.
The jury got it right. Helen couldn’t possibly shoot herself at the TOP OF HER HEAD and then place the gun back down between her legs!!! Impossible. My theory is that Mother Pamela confronted Megan over the wire transfer attempted theft, and caused a huge fight that led to Megan killing her mother. Helen knew Megan had killed her mother, and they spent that mystery 2 hours discussing what just happened and what to say or do about it, this is when & how Helen managed to call & tell her boyfriend Carlos about Megan killing her Mom. Then while Helen is crying in the bathroom over this horrible drama, her sister went into the bathroom and shot her poor innocent sister in the head in silence her and then stage the scene. Horrible betrayal.
This makes a lot of sense. Helen could've been scared, but I still would have attempted 911. I mean, come on. But it definitely explains Carlos' insistence that something was wrong (he knew but only fessed up in later calls to get his way).
Thank goodness another jury found her guilty! I bet if she would have just asked her mother for help, her mother would have helped her, but she decided to take her mother and sisters life instead, just absolutely disgusting! My thoughts go out to Pam’s granddaughter, I know it had to have been a very scary situation to be in the house when this woman did this.
I wanted to know if the killer sister had some issues in her life before this happened. Probably, the mom had been financing her all her life and said, no more.
Even if she had asked and her mother said no, there is no justification for the ghastly murders. That girl has no soul, no heart, just a lust for money and things.
Julia Elliot is a rock star for finding those papers like that, like whats the odds she happens to pull out that exact book they were hidden in? So glad they didnt blame the wrong sister
"Just blame me, just blame me so my family has peace" LOL That was so kind of Megan, to throw herself on the sword just to give her family peace. What kind of sister would do that? One that's guilty?
Unless Helen was in on it and became collateral damage, I can't imagine the fear she had when her sister stood over her with a rifle on her head (but no defensive wounds...weird).
@@PinkGrammarGirl There is NO evidence Helen was in on it. And defensive wounds? really??? how exactly would you have defensive wounds from a gunshot to the head? when there is a large rifle pointed at you, there IS no way to defend yourself.
All the possible reasons why Helen didnt call the police: - To protect her niece - To protect her sister - Being bribed by the sister Megan that she will share the money but then Megan changed her mind and shot her - To protect herself. Acting like she's on her sister's side but Megan found out she called her boyfriend, so killed her.
It’s so horrible what money can make a person do. It was so fishy that the day before Megan tried to pull out $400,000 of money from her own mother and posed as her!!!! That’s such a sick thing to do. Honestly a red flag from the beginning. I feel so sorry for this family. I hope Pam and Helen may rest in peace
I lean toward it being premeditated - I find the idea the gun needed to be 'stored' at Pam's house odd, Meghan was also eaten up with jealousy & envy of Helen, especially her close relationship with their mom - she wanted Helen dead, too.
Two of my brothers have threatened me repeatedly...I've tried to find protection, but no one wants to believe the truthteller. Ignorance kills, willful ignorance murders; people around the family don't want to " get involved", but silence is not neutral. My birth came ten years after my brothers (like Helen came much later than Heather and Megan). The first children sometimes have much leaner times, "accidents", as I was called, have less time from the parents, but, often, more money - and that can cause jealousy.
How stupid. With her toe? How dumb to they think people are??? How did she stay up right? How did the rifle not fall over and get human remains and / or blood on it? This is why people hate defense attorneys
Just what I thought.. also I'm not an expert but surely there must have been some way to rule that out by finding out if there was gunshot residue on her feet/socks or pants?
You should not hate defense attorneys for that. It´s THEIR JOB to make up scenarios so the state can disprove them and send the guilty behind bars. The DAs did their job, you cannot blame them.
“I don’t know what you want me to say…” this has always been an interesting statement to me when someone has been asked a question…I’ve dealt with it first hand and it’s SO IRRITATING, the TRUTH, say what’s true!
Rebecca….please stick to saving animals because saving murderers is a big no no and it’s beyond obvious to the rest of the world that your so called friend is a killer.
You can tell from the photos Helen had such an open and kind face! I feel so sorry for both her and her mother. I think Megan projected her failed bid to get money off her mother to finance her own house by twisting the story and saying it was Helen who wasn't getting a house. I think Pam was still going to build Helen a house but wouldn't give any money to Megan and this pushed over the edge. That's why she killed them both. I'm so so happy she was found guilty!
This is one of the very best episodes I’ve ever watched! There are many twists & turns, questions & analogies. My brain was “on go” the entire time I watched it.
I think she knew what was going on. Not even trying to call 911 and telling BF not to call? Helen wanted some of that money but forgot her sister has no value for life
Yeah, but you have to be careful because media will always release photos that show them in the most guilty light possible. Death stares, evil eyes, etc. Don't get me wrong... this girl is guilty as sin, but it does happen.
I am willing to bet, that there was no gun residue on Helens toe but there 100% was gun residue on both Megan‘s hands. The audacity of him to try and say she shot herself with her toe!!!
The toe trigger is possible if it shot from chin, but the shot is from above the head... no wonder her lawyer didn't want to do interview... they got nothing to say
This case blew me away, because it's just impossible to imagine someone doing this to their mother and sister! Unbelievable. Disgusting. Sad. I hope this criminal gets what she deserves, but it won't be here on earth.
I always have a deep hatred for the friends of the murderer who claim they didn’t do it after there’s evidence saying otherwise. It’s kinda strange behiavor
@@jayweh because her boyfriend called the authorities around 1:45 (I think it said) because she hadn't been answering him. She said she left at 1:30pm, so my suspicion was that she was there when she was murdered based on the times.
It really disgusts me how the defense will go to any lengths to save only their client: incriminate innocent people, soil the memory of the victims, insult the intelligence of the jury, as long as their guilty client at least gets a few years knocked off their sentence.
@@minoozolala But they can do their jobs with a modicum of ethics. It would have been more ethical-and logical-to seek a plea deal for Megan, since her guilt was so obvious.
I’ve seen this several times but it hits different since I’ve lost my mom. I’d do anything to have her back and ppl out here wiping out half their fam for money. Money they couldn’t even get.
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That dispatcher's disdain and voice dripping with impatience when the boyfriend called for a wellness check really sent me over the edge.
I've sadly been hearing a lot of 9-1-1 dispatchers who sound like they work for the DMV
I felt exactly the same way. That is the type of 911 operator that doesn’t care about anyone but themselves and they definitely, absolutely, positively DO NOT need to be a 911 operator !!!!!
Murica!
@@mechengr1731I would watch the Vice special on exactly what those people have to deal with and you would have more compassion - imagine having to listen to people getting murdered or beaten or any other host of horrible things the amount of prank calls they get or calls that just don’t turn into anything - and to cap it off they aren’t exactly working with the latest and greatest tech like they show in the movies they can’t just find your location in 5 seconds they can only ping cellphone towers which isn’t accurate and they need to keep you calm so you can hopefully tell them clearly where you are the turnover/suicide rate is extremely high if you haven’t dealt with that you have no idea
She heard his name and discriminated against him.
As of 4 day's ago Megan Hargan was convicted again and she is right were she need's to be.
Thank god
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Good her friend should join her as well
Can her friend Rebecca join her for just being stupid 😂 the evidence could slap her round the face and still say she's innocent.
Poor lady and her daughter died over greed.
I was a dispatcher and I would never tell someone to do what that dispatcher told Helen’s boyfriend to do. I would’ve sent someone out to do a welfare check. Pure and simple. She should be fired
But he didn't have the address, just the city and they told him he was calling the wrong jurisdiction. By the third of fourth call he finally had the address and they could direct the call to get police out there, but I don't know why they didn't ask for the names to try and look it up for him? We didn't get to hear the entire calls though?
I agree!
That 911 answer without any help ware so terrible! 🤯😵🤬
Well you are not a dispatcher, NOR are you a psychic, so the benefit of hindsight is your bias. Do you know how many concerned callers to dispatch end up unfounded? He didnt even know where his gf lived, and he was ringing from Texas. The dispatcher did her job clearly and concisely, textbook. Sorry you have a problem with that.
@@paulinegallagher7821- Ah yes, that particular mix of condescension and disdain that is characteristic of so-called “public servants,” i.e. unionized government employees.
I think the only reason Carlos knew what was going on is because Helen had spoken to him briefly after Megan killed their mom. Helen was probably able to convince her sister, who she’s very close to, that she would help her cover it up. While Megan went to get her clothes changed and what not, Helen thought she had a minute to call (the person you would want to call the most) for council…Carlos, so she went into to the bathroom where Megan wouldn’t hear her and told him the details. That’s why she was sitting on the toilet fully clothed- she was on the damn phone. Helen may have hung up abruptly because she thought she heard Megan. Megan had heard her on the phone, stormed in screaming with the rifle pointed at her, Helen immediately went into a defensive squatting position with her head down to protect her face and her sister shot her through the top of her head. Carlos probably kept trying to call her back after that and couldn’t get her. After a while he realized he had to just say what was really going on because the damn police wouldn’t take him seriously and at that point he knew his gf may have been shot too.
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yea
That explanation makes so much sense👍🏼
I absolutely agree with you!
Good point! 👉
The question is how long between the two deaths. Meagan is obviously a liar. Obviously Carlos had been very close to Helen. Yeah I think Carlos is the strongest evidence in this case. He knows what is happening and that's why he called police. Maybe Helen didn't think of calling or obviously went up to the washroom to get away from her sister at the scariest moment of knowing her mom has just been killed.
Her friend in the justice system worries me how deluded she is thinking her friend is innocent 😳😳🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
First sentence she spoke was suspect. Maybe she was looking forward to moving in with the guilty party. Can almost see the two with their heads together plotting against the mom and sister.
Truth doesn't matter to an emotionally based thinker.
Because truth convicts & hurts their feelings & only their selfish feelings matter to them.
That's why they lie & use their own version of subjective truth & reject absolute truth that convicts their feelings & requires them to discipline & control their feelings.
They just reject truth & love their lie that they say is true, although it isn't.
Same, self serving, emotionally based thinking used by every criminal & the non criminals that use dysfunctional behaviors to enable them, defend them & excuse lying & crimes.
@@bquietsouhear Exactly. It's cognitive dissonance. The friend is lucky Meghan is in jail, because it would be a matter of time before Meghan would have performed a nonviolent (ie, fraud) or violent act against her. It's really amazing what people choose not to see.
"Friend"
I think she was in love with Megan
To claim she pulled the trigger with her toe is truly pathetic. Absolutely ridiculous, and it’s insulting. I pray for the family of these victims.
That's exactly what Courtney Love claims Kurt Cobain did 😂
@@pappyreeves3336as soon as I heard the toe theory I thought, "Did she still have her Converse on as well?" 😅
Especially since she had socks on..
she would not have control to put her toe on the trigger.
Well, not *all* of the family...
In every single trial I have ever heard of where they used the 'Toe/Trigger' defense, the defendant was found guilty! Shocker I know right?!? Why don't they just say a ghost did it or use the 'Some Puertarican Guy' defense?!? 🤣😂🤣
Obviously Helen pulled the trigger with her toe, got up, wiped the rifle down, wiped her phone, placed the rifle between her legs and then sat down and died. It’s way too obvious…
Right 🥴
Thank you
You had me at Obviously 🙄
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I am with you until the last part, when I think she probably died first then sat down.
Capital one is the true hero of this story! They cracked the ugly truth open for this case!!!!
...even though I don't like Capitol One!
@@motherofthreeb6337your a chase guy?
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She was retried, and again found guilty of both murders four days ago, Friday, Sep 22nd. Sentencing in January.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for the update 😊
Thank you!! I was fixing to go looking!!
Thanks for this excellent news!
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Megan Hargen was found guilty for a second time recently. Hopefully this time the jurors did what they're meant to do so that the verdict doesn't get overturned again. This woman is so clearly guilty
Amen 😢
That’s why my bank uses voice recognition software . 😅
I cannot stress enough how professional and thorough this detective was! Amazing job!
Not that dispatcher tho wth
Megan's friend is blinded by the gunshot residue on both her hands is amazing
Love is blind. She obviously wasn’t “just a friend”.
also wants a piece of that 400K
Ya she trippin lol 🤷
NO innocence person would say, " my family has been through enough, just pin it on me". That's hogwash!! An innocent person would be livid, ask for an attorney, rage, cry out! But NEVER EVER say anything like that!
but in her mind she thought if she used reverse psychology it might work but experienced detective don't fall for stuff like that.
I'm curious as to why there was a new trial. I suspect the reason was that Megan mentioned talking to a lawyer in her police interview ...several times and they didn't stop the interrogation! I don't know this for a fact but it stood out to me during the show.
@williamphillips2239 jury misconduct. One of them went home and tried to "test" the gun theory out for herself. She researched the case online. Then came back and shared with the other jurors her text results and what she learned. I hope she had to pay a fine or a night in the pokey at least! 😡 But thankfully, just a few days ago actually, a new jury found her guilty again.
@@williamphillips2239 did you watch the video??
the chutzpah to make herself out as a martyr for the family's sake!
The sheer coincidence that the investigator would look in the exact photo album that held the financial docs is mind-blowing.
Well, it looks like she looked at a lot of them.
her name is Sherlock Holmes.
Absolutely 😮
Ikr lol. When Chris Van Sant asked her questions, he was sarcastic, and i could see it on her face that she knew he wasn't believing her "i just so happened upon all this big information" in the "one spot i was looking in".
Coincidences do happen. OR, maybe it looked out of place? The decision to pull out that one, would make sense if it were the only one slanted or out of place.
Meghan’s friend is crazy for thinking that her murderer friend was going to be found not guilty.
😡😡
Cognitive bias. She's delusional.
Facts lol she trippin 🤷♂️
I knew Meagan was off right away. She was offering a lot of information without prompting. She immediately jumped to “Helen was depressed…they fought…” she was already laying the groundwork for focusing the police’s attention on the two of THEM and not her.
When a body is covered with a blanket or something, it often indicates that the killer knew that person, and perhaps regretted what they’d done, and covered them up as a means to not see what they’d done.
I feel bad for people like friends and family that are so dead-set on someone’s innocence that they ignore all the facts and evidence, relying instead on their feelings.
You have never seen one person die or found one dead body.
Agree! Especially on the ending. I can’t believe how blind friends/family can be
@@Mindstangle A. You don't even know this person or what they've been through.
B. I've heard as well how that sometimes is why a dead body is covered.
@@Mindstangle
Strange comment
@@autumnk.buntion8869
A. Yes what a strange comment by that person.
B. Yes you are correct about the reason why some killers cover their victims with a cover, they know them etc?
The minute Megan starting throwing her dead sister under the bus after just finding out her mom and sister were dead , I was thinking it was her.
Same!
I don't think Megan's friend really knows what her friend is capable of I knew plenty of people that were nice and had lots of friends and also hated their family
Me too. They usually speak bad about the victim when they're responsible.
@@PinkGrammarGirl In an above comment you implied that Helen, a DEAD GIRL was in on it with Carlos. Make up your mind
For me it was her saying that her mother and sister "were gone".
I live in McLean, VA. None of us could believe it took 2 trials to convict this maniac.
😂😂😂😂......what a defence team she had....!!
Nobody on 48 hrs does it like Peter Van Sant. I always look forward to his stories.
And my least fav is the moriarity lady . Sorry , but I always get confused with her . Lol
She was found guilty a second time and re-sentenced to 2 life sentences
Respectfully, Rebecca is completely delusional and should never work in any justice department field ever. 😂
Right? As a regular person ok you want to believe your friend. However long term employment with the justice department and you totally disregard all the evidence?
Seems like Rebecca has more of a crush than than a desire for justice in this case
And racist for sure
@@tonyareeves4431 agreed
Same
How does she think she's going to get away from stealing $400,000 from her mother? She's guilty as Hell.
It's real easy when your victim is dead after the fact! She had no idea that the bank might call Pam to verify the transaction, on their own! She thought she had the bank fooled!
If they transferred it, wouldn't her mom notice? Killers are idiots who think in the now and never think just 5 minutes into the future.
Bcs she either thought her mom would have forgiven her and in the meantime the house would have been bought or she knew she would have killed her mother the moment she knew.
They were banking on some dimbass juour to go "just because she stealed, doesn't mean she killed."
Moms usually forgive so much, even when it's clearly wrong to do so. You see it all the time with spoiled brats breaking the law and having their parents bail them out over and over.
To say she pulled her trigger with her toe was ridiculous and insulting.
Megan's friend who worked at the justice department for 5 years should surely know it's 'reasonable doubt' not 'any doubt'🙄
She actually said "beyond the shadow of a doubt." Which shows her absolute ignorance.
Right wth lol
The lead detective is a smart man, salute to your hard work
The logic and planning were fantastic in this case. And Julia's sixth sense to open THAT photo album, and then photograph the bank statements, brilliant. Both of them are what you hope a detective would be if you need help.
He's top notch
I'm willing to bet that the reason Helen didn't run for her life or call 911, was because after the mom was dead, there was a debate where Megan tried to convince Helen to help her cover it up. When Helen told her bf, all bets were off.
Megan checked both the mom's phone and saw that the bank called, and saw that Helen contacted her bf. I bet Helen never thought she was in any danger from her sister, but maybe she was hiding in the bathroom when she told her bf, and got busted. Too bad she didn't call 911.
Yep.... I think you are absolutely correct. Megan was trying to get Helen on board with a cover-up of sorts. I also wondered why Helen didn't call 911 right away and instead called Carlos...🤔... only thing I can think of is she (Helen) was probably in shock. She HAD to have been in shock, no....?
That would explain why she wasn't thinking clearly. Also she probably didn't think she was in danger from Megan. Clearly she was very wrong...:sigh:😢 Smh.
Very good analysis!! I agree 💯👍💯
In the beginning, I thought they might have been in on it together. Then Megan betrayed her. But I do think she was hiding in the bathroom like you said.
Yes, I think Helen was hiding in the bathroom.
I don't understand why bfriend didn't call 911 and when he did, why did he not tell them straight away what he knew 🤔
I wonder if they were in on it together, then the surviving sister thought all of the money was better than half. Both of these daughters seemed like trouble.Their poor mom.
Meagan’s friend expecting to pick her up and go home???? Are people really THAT dumb ??????
Ya nah she trippin frfr 🤷♂️
“The love of money is the root of all evil.”
What’s wild is she could have just lived below her means. Or both her and her husband saved up to get a house. Greed man just wow.
This is one of the best investigative crime shows ever!
True🎉
dateline chuckles at your statement.
The killer’s friend - someone who works for the Justice Department - “should” know that the burden of proof is beyond REASONABLE doubt, not (as she stated) “beyond the shadow of a doubt.”
We’re they lovers? She was butch. You know butch and fluff. 😊
Oh Lorddd another justice department goon. Damn! SMH
And reasonable ends when you have to appeal to contorsionism in order to explain it as a suicide
@@mandybradley3079 Of course they're lovers.
@@mandybradley3079😊
Now I know defense attorneys have a job to do too but I’m second hand embarrassed for this guy 🤦🏻♀️
Same, he also wasn’t even the defense attorney for this case he just read through the evidence after the fact
That 911 operator sounded so bored on the phone like she couldn’t be bothered.
How can you shoot your own mother and sister? It's incomprehensible! The woman who gave you life!! Tragic and horrific!!!
That one who gave you and me and everyone life is God only..your mother born you and God gave life to you and to your mother
@@razzaa01only if you believe that, if you don’t then she is the woman who gave you life.
I understand the mother but why the sister?
@@razzaa01ultimately, God is the giver of life BUT a mother does have to choose to bear & birth you! Therefore, she does, secondarily, give you life!
Anyone seen info on retrial ?
It was September 5th 😕
The moment you try to accuse someone indirectly is suspicious
She was found guilty at her second trial in September 2023 and again sentenced to life.
May she rot in prison.
Good to see that they investigated and didn’t just assume it was suicide
She pulled the trigger with her toe??!! That's ridiculous!! RIP Pam and Helen, such a heartbreaking case, with our thoughts to the family and friends who are grieving 💜
Thats what im saying, whats wrong with people!? God bless you.
@@Fartboy226 Same to you 🤗
There's been a lot of people who have actually killed themselves that way, but the entry wound was either to the face or under the chin, not to the back of the head. That makes the story completely unbelievable
Also that would mean there would be gun shot residue on her toes which could easily have proven that ridiculous claim.
Thank God she was found guilty the second time too.
Thanks for the update this is why I came to the comments very sad story
I was just going to look into this myself. Thank you so much. I appreciate you doing that. Did she get the same sentence too?
@@chrissyknowsitall5170 Her sentencing is not until January 26 and faces life in prison.
Thanks to your update let that murderer rot in prison taking life of her own mom for the money a lazy brat daughter full of envy to youngest sibling.
Any reasonable person with common sense would have found her guilty. The money transfer was just the icing on the cake.
Life in prison for $400K. Why couldn't she get a 30 year mortgage like the rest of us.
Did you notice the difference in quality between the first house and the one they actually got with a va loan?
How I wish I had my Mother. May the Lord have mercy on her soul.
Me too
My Mum passed away in 2020
She was jealous her mom was building Helen a house and felt entitled to the $ for her house in West Virginia.
In my case I was jealous because mom did spoil my other siblings and nothing really for me, but I got over it and when mom died all went nuts because they're gravy train dried up and myself said uh oh with the other exception my little brother wanted no part of it as soon as he could get bailed by marrying and eventually moved away. I still have issues with my little sister s kid's they do me as the one who birthed me I made some bad decisions and now trying to correct them.
Plus she was jealous that her sister was beautiful and possibly better person
@@Vertikala-pc5ig We don´t know that.
@@bowlchamps37it’s common with narcissists. They are envious and jealous people.
@@bowlchamps37 So, what do you think the motive was then? Most murders that involve family members are crimes of passion ( jealously, envy, revenge etc). Helen was the baby of the family, beautiful, sweet- mom was buying her a house……
2 lives destroyed over greed. She killed HER OWN MOM AND SISTER. I can’t fathom.
Not to mention she ruined her little girls life as well.
The Mom's greed too or perhaps her extreme self focus. VP at Lockheed? I'm sorry but you can't raise children properly with a bit of "quality time." Children, young children especially, need a lot of time with a parent for normal personality development. Even if you sleep 5 hrs/night, manage your time extremely well and have help, there's only so many hours in a day.
I think it’s RIDICULOUS that police would release the crime scene BEFORE the coroner’s report!
I hope never to have to call 911 with an urgency but if i do i hope not to get a dispatcher like the one that answered that call
I’d want to know more about the conversation between the boyfriend and Helen where she told him that the sister killed the Mom.
Well done to Detective Brian and his team! Truly sad indeed! RIP Mrs Hargan and daughter Helen.
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If Helen used her toe, her DNA would have been on the trigger. It wasn’t.
true but I dont need that to know that to know that didnt happen. It's called common sense.
There’s always that naive friend! Until it’s a hung jury and she comes and lives with you and murders YOU and your family for your money, your husband or both! Unreal. 🤦🏼♂️
😂😂
Helping your kids with a down payment to buy a house is normal. Paying for their entire house is crazy.
That's what I'm sitting here thinking.
Why though? I know a lot of parents who have bought their children houses and vehicles. It's not uncommon.
@@digby_dooright My dad bought my sister a house for her and her husband when they got married. They built it right behind the house I grew up in.
@@digby_dooright they need to learn responsibility & money management.
We have a family member who is extremely well off and worked their whole lives to be so…one son was bought a beautiful home and the other is still being constructed. Both sons have never held down a job for longer than 6 months and the other still doesn’t work.. 🤷♀️ both have been arrested numerous times.. I can not fathom having a beautiful new home gifted to me..
Crazy how entitled people act when they can’t get what they want. Very scary. I feel so bad for the mother and daughter.
How did the gun get back between her legs after she shot herself? Ridiculous. She may have been sitting on the toilet crying when she was shot in the head straight down to the neck.
That’s exactly my thoughts
The sixth sense on that detective is INSANE she went right for the hiding spot
I hope Helen’s boyfriend is doing ok these days… as well every other person directly affected by this evil!!! 😢
All humaity are affected unfortunately by the sins they committed themselves imagine the weight that Jesus christ suffered trying to carry such evil on his body and still say it is finished he came to end all evil n everyone still denies him
@@reg8297
No not everyone denies Him
Law enforcement should be ashamed of themselves for DISREGARDING CARLOS! He tried and tried to tell 911 to help! I hope those 911 operators are all fired by now.
I agree. That made me sick.
It's not easy to get 911 from another jurisdiction. You have to ask your local 911 to patch you to the other jurisdiction.
Sounds real good! bottom line is that they should always be really trying to help!
The only comfort that I hope Carlos can find, is that the murders were probably over before he even called 911 😢. Poor man.
Why ??! His girlfriend didn't answer
her phone so he calls 911 ?!?
Ridiculous !!
The 911 dispatch was no help at all
I’m ashamed to be a Fairfax County resident with the horrible dispatchers. Shame on them. 😢
Fairfax County dispatch/911 service should be ashamed! I hope they fired that dispatcher that wouldn't provide help on the spot.
My take is Megan killed her mother when confronted with the the attempt to fraudulently transfer funds from Mom‘s bank account. Helen witnessed or heard the gun shots. Megan pleaded with Helen not to call 911. In a state of shock, confusion & fear, she reached out to her boyfriend and confidante and perhaps asked him to call 911 or may have simply called him for support after such a traumatic event. At some point Megan realized that Helen was not onboard with covering up for her and for that reason decided to end her. Either Helen told her outright that she has to call 911 or Megan just didn’t trust that Helen would cover for her. SAD and horrific!
Absolutely! The daughter needed 400k.. mom says no. Bank calls mom and says... did you request a wire transfer for 400k? Mom says, "Hell no!"... you've got to imagine mom hung up the phone and went straight to her daughter to confront her. That was the catalyst.... for that days events.
Yes, and just imagine how frightening it would be to walk around in the house with someone who killed your mom and you’re trying to avoid being killed yourself.
Helen never had the chance, she was already dead. That's why her phone was wiped clean. It was megan all along pretending not only to be her mother, but Helen as well.
I think the gun powder residue on Megan and the lack of the victim’s fingerprints on the gun tell the whole story!
48 hours is the best show ever on TV IMO.
The jury got it right. Helen couldn’t possibly shoot herself at the TOP OF HER HEAD and then place the gun back down between her legs!!! Impossible. My theory is that Mother Pamela confronted Megan over the wire transfer attempted theft, and caused a huge fight that led to Megan killing her mother. Helen knew Megan had killed her mother, and they spent that mystery 2 hours discussing what just happened and what to say or do about it, this is when & how Helen managed to call & tell her boyfriend Carlos about Megan killing her Mom. Then while Helen is crying in the bathroom over this horrible drama, her sister went into the bathroom and shot her poor innocent sister in the head in silence her and then stage the scene. Horrible betrayal.
This makes a lot of sense. Helen could've been scared, but I still would have attempted 911. I mean, come on. But it definitely explains Carlos' insistence that something was wrong (he knew but only fessed up in later calls to get his way).
@@PinkGrammarGirl"fessed up?"
What are you ranting about?
@@salaialexander7022I know…WTF?
4aa😊
Thank goodness another jury found her guilty! I bet if she would have just asked her mother for help, her mother would have helped her, but she decided to take her mother and sisters life instead, just absolutely disgusting! My thoughts go out to Pam’s granddaughter, I know it had to have been a very scary situation to be in the house when this woman did this.
I wondered if she was jealous that her sister was given a house and she wasn’t?
I wanted to know if the killer sister had some issues in her life before this happened. Probably, the mom had been financing her all her life and said, no more.
She was jealous of her little sister, she hated her mother for having a closer relationship with Helen.
@@theresachung703 That's what I thought too. The mom probably told Megan "no" for whatever reason. But we'll never know.
Even if she had asked and her mother said no, there is no justification for the ghastly murders. That girl has no soul, no heart, just a lust for money and things.
Megan’s voice in the beginning while crying instantly made me say she has a part in this. Without watching further.
Yes, her voice and also how she was quick to insist on how Helen was depressed and angry
I was thinking the same
Julia Elliot is a rock star for finding those papers like that, like whats the odds she happens to pull out that exact book they were hidden in? So glad they didnt blame the wrong sister
"Just blame me, just blame me so my family has peace" LOL That was so kind of Megan, to throw herself on the sword just to give her family peace. What kind of sister would do that? One that's guilty?
That was so ridiculous. If she was really innocent there’s no way she would say that.
This is one of the worst cases I have seen on here. She was going to let everybody believe, for eternity, that her baby sister killed their mother.
an evil baby sister
@@KaooshFanEternallyProfoundyou meant an evil big sister
@@BeautyisHerName692
No I meant a moral small sister
Unless Helen was in on it and became collateral damage, I can't imagine the fear she had when her sister stood over her with a rifle on her head (but no defensive wounds...weird).
@@PinkGrammarGirl There is NO evidence Helen was in on it. And defensive wounds? really??? how exactly would you have defensive wounds from a gunshot to the head? when there is a large rifle pointed at you, there IS no way to defend yourself.
All the possible reasons why Helen didnt call the police:
- To protect her niece
- To protect her sister
- Being bribed by the sister Megan that she will share the money but then Megan changed her mind and shot her
- To protect herself. Acting like she's on her sister's side but Megan found out she called her boyfriend, so killed her.
I agree with your #3 and #4. But I also believe Helen could have been a partner in crime and her sister eventually didn’t trust her and killed her.
Wonder if Rebecca ever had a crush on Meg. Also wondering what the poor 8 year old child heard or saw.
It’s so horrible what money can make a person do. It was so fishy that the day before Megan tried to pull out $400,000 of money from her own mother and posed as her!!!! That’s such a sick thing to do. Honestly a red flag from the beginning. I feel so sorry for this family. I hope Pam and Helen may rest in peace
I lean toward it being premeditated - I find the idea the gun needed to be 'stored' at Pam's house odd, Meghan was also eaten up with jealousy & envy of Helen, especially her close relationship with their mom - she wanted Helen dead, too.
Someone write a book on this case. This is so interesting. Intelligent, rich, mom and daughter, and other daughter a loser. Great story.
She was jealous of her sister that she was beautiful
I agree!
It’s pretty typical family dynamic. There’s always the “black sheep”
This TRAGEDY is nothing new it happens everyday some family members can be the worst.
@@pierrefab7185
Exactly.
Glad to see the bank double check on the wire transfer and make sure it was the correct person
It’s too bad that Pam didn’t realize her and Helen’s life was in danger and taken drastic measures to protect themselves 🥺
Cash world over sheer greed.
Two of my brothers have threatened me repeatedly...I've tried to find protection, but no one wants to believe the truthteller. Ignorance kills, willful ignorance murders; people around the family don't want to " get involved", but silence is not neutral. My birth came ten years after my brothers (like Helen came much later than Heather and Megan). The first children sometimes have much leaner times, "accidents", as I was called, have less time from the parents, but, often, more money - and that can cause jealousy.
I hope she if found guilty again. She is awful.
She was. Recently. 👍
Came to the comments looking for this, thank you!
She was found guilty for the second time on Sep 22, 2023.
Yep, she was found guilty and is facing up to life in prison. Sentencing is scheduled for Jan 26, 2024.
@@Username_993 Why isn't sentencing the same day as her conviction day in court?? How about her prison time starts in Jan 2025. smh
How stupid. With her toe? How dumb to they think people are??? How did she stay up right? How did the rifle not fall over and get human remains and / or blood on it? This is why people hate defense attorneys
Just what I thought.. also I'm not an expert but surely there must have been some way to rule that out by finding out if there was gunshot residue on her feet/socks or pants?
Exactly!
Defense attorney should be fired just for thinking they can use toe on trigger excuse.
You should not hate defense attorneys for that. It´s THEIR JOB to make up scenarios so the state can disprove them and send the guilty behind bars. The DAs did their job, you cannot blame them.
@bowlchamps37 I am not hating on the defense attorney. I am hating on his theory that someone would choose suicide by using their toe on the trigger.
“I don’t know what you want me to say…” this has always been an interesting statement to me when someone has been asked a question…I’ve dealt with it first hand and it’s SO IRRITATING, the TRUTH, say what’s true!
Rebecca….please stick to saving animals because saving murderers is a big no no and it’s beyond obvious to the rest of the world that your so called friend is a killer.
Always love 48 hours.All of the investigative
Journalists are excellent in their presentation🙏♥️🇺🇸
You can tell from the photos Helen had such an open and kind face! I feel so sorry for both her and her mother. I think Megan projected her failed bid to get money off her mother to finance her own house by twisting the story and saying it was Helen who wasn't getting a house. I think Pam was still going to build Helen a house but wouldn't give any money to Megan and this pushed over the edge. That's why she killed them both. I'm so so happy she was found guilty!
All of this 🎯🎯🎯
This makes the most sense out of anything I've read in the comment section.
Megan is PURE evil
I agree, ugly, evil jealousy. She was jealous of Helen, and her Mom buying Helen a house tipped her over the edge. Pure evil.
I thought there's was a retrial...I hope she get locked up for life.
This detective is brilliant and very professional. So sad for the ladies. May they rest in peace.
Thank you 48hours for putting this full episode on
The first thing out of her mouth when she “found out” was “we just closed on a house my mom bought it for me”.
This is one of the very best episodes I’ve ever watched! There are many twists & turns, questions & analogies. My brain was “on go” the entire time I watched it.
Settle down
A sad part is that I think Helen would have defended Megan and maintained Megan's innocence if she didn't witness her sister killing her mother.
I think she knew what was going on. Not even trying to call 911 and telling BF not to call? Helen wanted some of that money but forgot her sister has no value for life
Love of money is the root of all evil. She never needed her mom’s money to buy the house. She killed her family for nothing. I pray for them.
This is so cruel… I hope she gets what she deserve
I knew it was Megan within 5 mins of watching this. Every single killer has the same look in their eye. A look of cold emptiness.
Yeah, but you have to be careful because media will always release photos that show them in the most guilty light possible. Death stares, evil eyes, etc. Don't get me wrong... this girl is guilty as sin, but it does happen.
Exactly!!
I am willing to bet, that there was no gun residue on Helens toe but there 100% was gun residue on both Megan‘s hands. The audacity of him to try and say she shot herself with her toe!!!
Rebecca shaking her head when saying Megan always spoke lovingly of her Mum says it all.
The toe trigger is possible if it shot from chin, but the shot is from above the head... no wonder her lawyer didn't want to do interview... they got nothing to say
Yeah that sounds ridiculous
This case blew me away, because it's just impossible to imagine someone doing this to their mother and sister! Unbelievable. Disgusting. Sad. I hope this criminal gets what she deserves, but it won't be here on earth.
She’ll get what she deserves in prison 👍🏽
She had gunshot residue on both hands. That's pretty much game over.
Plus trying to steal the money.
FYI megan was found guilty in her second trial and sentencing is in january
Thanks.
I always have a deep hatred for the friends of the murderer who claim they didn’t do it after there’s evidence saying otherwise.
It’s kinda strange behiavor
exactly. they are just as dangerous.
not strange behavior but suspicious behavior, the killer might have told her about the killing, I am just saying.
It's called cognitive dissonance, and it's rampant. Look at biden voters....
I used to be a chaplain. This isn't unusual. People can't believe an ordinary human could do something so awful.
@@2hot2bstr8official I agree fully.
From the start of this as soon as the sister said her and her daughter were there until 1:30pm, I just knew she was involved. How can anyone do this.
Not how but why¿
really? why? I think it was megan, too, but that statement didn't sound suspicious to me.
@@jayweh because her boyfriend called the authorities around 1:45 (I think it said) because she hadn't been answering him. She said she left at 1:30pm, so my suspicion was that she was there when she was murdered based on the times.
@@CharlotteJanvier29 oh, ok. good listening skills. :D
@@jayweh thanks 🤣
It really disgusts me how the defense will go to any lengths to save only their client: incriminate innocent people, soil the memory of the victims, insult the intelligence of the jury, as long as their guilty client at least gets a few years knocked off their sentence.
It’s their job.
@@minoozolala But they can do their jobs with a modicum of ethics. It would have been more ethical-and logical-to seek a plea deal for Megan, since her guilt was so obvious.
If she bent over to shoot herself, how could the rifle and her body sit back up? 🙄😒
She probably already planned it by moving in the house with a rifle. Killing her own blood family for money, hope she rot in prison.
I’ve seen this several times but it hits different since I’ve lost my mom. I’d do anything to have her back and ppl out here wiping out half their fam for money. Money they couldn’t even get.
I'm sorry for your heavy loss, may you find comfort in memories.
That's exactly how I feel. I lost my mum recently, and it's absolutely devastated my sister and I. I truly empathise with you. Best wishes!
I’m sorry about your mom….
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@@galaxychannel8613awww tysm!
Did they fire the 911 operator that acted like a B to Carlos?