Hydlide Review! [NES] The Game Collection
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2014
- I have to ask, is Hydlide really that bad?
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Welcome back to The Game Collection, I am SuperDerek and today I'm going to do things a little bit differently for lucky episode number 13. Today I'm going to as you a question: Is Hydlide really such a bad game?
"Hydlide.I hate Hydlide. I hate this game so much."
"Eugh! Hydlide! Just saying the name gives you a gag reflex like you're about to hurl! Hyyydliiiide, sounds so wretched and foul!"
This game has been ripped apart by not only the Angry Video Game Nerd, not only by ProJared, but by what seems to be the entire game reviewing community at large. So why would I stick my credibility on the line for a game that's just so unanimously hated? Well, it's because this game is really significant for reasons that may surprise you. Well we've got a lot of ground to cover, so let's get started.
I am SuperDerek, and this is Hydlide!
Hydlide is an action RPG for the NES that was released in the US in 1989, This game is actually a precursor to several similar action RPGs such as The Legend of Zelda and Y's. Due to unfortunate localization timing it was released in the wake of The Legend of Zelda, and as a result is often compared to it's much more refined cousin.
The story of Hydlide is the basics of basic. In the kingdom of Fairyland, one of the 3 jewels that was holding a demon at bay was stolen by a thief. This allowed a demon, Voralis, to escape his bonds and return to Fairyland, bringing with him and army of monsters with which to terrorize the land. Upon his triumphant return his first act was to abolish the monarchy by splitting the princess into 3 fairies.
That's when our hero, Jim, finally decides that it's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum. Unfortunately it becomes immediately evident that Jim, during his time as a knight, must have spent far more time chewing bubblegum than actually kicking ass, as even the lowliest of creatures in Fariyland can easily put an end to his quest.
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I remember when I was 13 biking 10 km to my nearest VG store (I lived in the boonies). I rented Hydlide, biked 10 km back home, played Hydlide for 30 minutes and biked back to the store to exchange it for something else - anything else. I got a lot of exercise that day all thanks to Hydlide.
diablomix
... let's be real, if your closest VG is only 10km away you are definitely not in the boonies. When I was young my closest VG store was just over an hours drive away by car, about ~75km away. Even the nearest bulk store, like WalMart, was still just under and hour away and was probably about 65km away. 10km is a walk in a park compared to that.
The really odd thing is we had high-speed internet O.O at that farm. I don't have High-Speed internet at the farm I live at now and I am only 15 minutes away from a VG store by car and 10 minutes away from a major chain store and I am in walking distance to the nearest suburb, about 6-8km away. We have to use 4G internet and luckily we got a great plan and for around a 100$ a month we have unlimited internet. However, it's not super fast or reliable, but better than dial-up lol. Billing also scales, so if we just don't really use the internet, under 10GB DL a month we pay ~30$ and for 35GB it's ~70$. It's not a great service but it's leagues better than what everyone else around me is getting, so I guess I can't complain too much.
Dyskhord
Lol it's just mind boggling and so freaking random that this small farming community in the middle of rural Ontario has high speed internet.
40km later
I have never been a fan of action RPGs that use the "run into enemies" style, but I love seeing people stick up for hated games. I think you may have to try a lot harder to defend the Sega Saturn sequel to Hydlide.
Hah! Well that would first require me owning a Sega Saturn.. Speaking of which, if anyone would love to see me utterly fail at defending Virtual Hydlide, feel free to send me a Sega Saturn and a copy of the game. ;)
Virtual Hydlide isn't actually a sequel, it's a remake of the original Hydlide, and is really not all that bad either... Horrific frame rate, ugly graphics and bad camera withstanding. I found the entire game to be quite playable/slightly enjoyable for what it is and beatable in about 3-4 hours with a guide. Would I recommend it to people though? Hell no.
Now that's an honest review!
I think the only ones I liked that used that system were the early Ys games but then again it was done a bit better with you having to go either off center or you can also just hit them with their backs turned either way you do it right you don't take damage
Maybe killing 100 slimes to level up is what people don't like.
Another rad review!
I really like it when reviewers dig a little deeper into a game and it's history and see the game from a different perspective, instead of just looking at the surface badness of a game.
Well done!
Thank you very much!
Hydlide really did get overshadowed because by the time it was localized, it was released during an era where there were far better games like Zelda, Metroid and Final Fantasy. This was from the PC-88 era of Japanese computers, so it was quite primitive. But by the time we got the game, the video game console generation was on the verge of releasing the Super Nintendo so it was just to late to the party for people to even care bout it any more. But its influence can not be understated. Its literally one of the pioneer project of action rpgs and a historical piece of history that I think people should check out at least once. Also the NES version to be fair was quite a great deal different then some of othe other ports which improved upon the audio and gameplay mechanics. There is one other game called Persues which predated it and is the true begining of action rpgs, but lets pretend that never existed lol. This was actually the first game that was some what approachable.
Subscribed. This is the first of your videos I've seen thus far, and I think I'm an instant fan. You've got excellent production quality and I love it when topics such as this are presented rationally with educational value.
God damn it. Now I want this amazing game.
Gonna have to go watch more hate videos on it, hopefully it will suppress my urges.
Hey Super Derek, very interesting! But the box of Dragon Slayer you show there at 5:45 is not the box of the first Dragon Slayer game, but the box of Dragon Slayer 6, Legend of Heroes, which is a much later game, as it's from 1990. (At least the MSX version which you showed.) That is actually a great and huge game (5 floppy disks as you show):) Dragon Slayer (1) is only a 32kB ROM cartridge.
D'oh! Thanks for pointing that out! Guess that's what happens when a console gamer tries to talk about PC games!
The context definitely helps it's case. Never played the game myself personally, just always saw it slammed by members of the youtube gaming community. It was interesting to learn a little bit of the history behind it. Fun episode.
Great review Derek, balanced, informative, in-depth and well put together.
Really good review. After playing Hydlide for the first time a few years ago, I felt that it was over-hated--probably for all of the (very interesting!) reasons you gave. I'm glad I didn't get this game as a Christmas present in 1989, but it doesn't cause cancer.
Thanks for watching with an open mind! :)
Loved the non-verbal comedy at the 10:16 marker!!!!
The story about dragon slayer and hydlide wasn't the only time such things happened, there is a famous example with final fantasy and dragon quest III wich introduced classes in console RPGs for the first time. The time between the releases of those two games was less than two months, and the class system in dragon quest III was the best by far! But I don't think it had anything to do with developpers spying on each other, but rather it was the fact that their inspiration material was the same: tabletop RPGs and to a lesser extent their adaptation on computers. Just like the first step for dragon slayer and hydlide was to introduce a hero exploring a dungeon, the next logical step for final fantasy and dragon quest III at the time was to introduce a class system.
This game always seemed to be a product of its time, outshined by what came after
Great review! Where can one find the HD remake you mentioned at ~13:58?
Unfortunately, it's a Japan exclusive. -_-
@@SuperDerek For which system though? I'm not against buying an import (as long as I can find it!).
@@ErinYoung-xq9ep looks like the one I was referring to for this video was released for Windows. I _probably_ wouldn't call it an "HD remake" by today's standards though, despite it being remade with higher fidelity graphics.
Awesome take on this game. Found your channel last week and been going through watching everything. Love your content
This was one of my earliest rental memories. It was so disappointing it stuck with me my entire life. I'm happy though, that it wasn't lost in time and that people are still discussing it.
Great review :) I dont have a NES but I really enjoyed this, well set out.
Glad to see this game viewed without the lens of rampant Nintendo fanboyism.
what doe lens'z have to do with it.. ill karate chap and nija kick the damn game.. your are sucker if you belive in rampart is a god game. it snot that good.
I just played this game and completed it for the 1st time in the past 2 days...... you know, i actually had FUN, the game was fun, i liked it quite a lot. Was it really that good? no not really, very simplistic and unfair combat/health and it's annoying that you spend so much time just waiting for Jims health to regenerate, but still i enjoyed it. would play again.
EDIT: 2 days later and i completed it again.. Just felt like playing it more since it was so short.
A reasonable contextualized assessment of Hydlide. Good shit!
You did an excellent job defending this game. It may not be the best action RPG there is, not even the best for the NES, but it is good to appreciate what it did for the genre. ;)
I want to go on an rpg tour sign me up please!!
Where can i get that hd remake?
I absolutely LOVE Ys. I never made the connection about Hydlide inspiring Ys's battle system. That alone makes me want to play it (even though the later Ys games abandoned the bump combat system, I thought it was a really unique battle system that I hadn't seen anywhere else before -- but I won't even try to make the argument that Ys 1&2 are better than something like The Oath in Felghana, 'cause that game is a masterpiece)
It is quite fun, if convoluted.
Virtual Hydlide, on the other hand... measured in seconds per frame
Have you tried Fairune on the Nintendo 3DS yet? It's an eShop game that feels a lot like an excellent Hydlide.
CAPMAX Gaming : I tried it and it was great
The pc-8001 version of this game came out on the switch. (Along with Hylide 2 & 3)
I really enjoyed my playthrough of it! Simple and short adventure.
Probably gonna start up Hylide 2 later today to see how it compares.
In 1999, the best version of Hydlide was released for Windows in Japan. In addition to attack and defend mode, a new mode called Overdrive was added. After you press the “O” key, Jim kills enemies in one hit, gets a lot more experience with each enemy killed, and recharges health a lot faster and can recharge anywhere.
I can see speed runners having lots of fun with that, if only they knew about it!
Hey Super Derek, Hylide isn't that bad I have found memories playing the game back in the day. All I did was turn the music down really really low hahaha. Excellent video and channel! keep up the fantastic work. Subbed!! ^>^ (Matt)
Thanks Matt! I'll do my best! I'm pretty excited for the next couple I'm working on, hoping to have 'em out before I go on a road-trip in a week or so! :)
Excellent! looking forward to the new episodes! And I always found it weird that the princess gets split into three fairies. But that's Hylide for ya' (Matt)
Dude I love your show I hope you get some more subscribers! It's worth it!!!!!!!!
I always knew that this game was from the infancy of RPGs. Perhaps thats why everyone ripped it another one, it was outdated after english releases, and by that time more complex games existed. It would probably feel like if Max Payne as it is, if it would be released next week.
It would be kind of like if Demon's Souls from 2009 was released for the PS3 this year, in the wake of Dark Souls I and II. People would probably think it was an inferior ripoff.
Thank you for providing the context necessary to appreciate what Hydlide did for gaming. Looking forward to your next video.
Hydlide proved nothing accept its bad
Great video thank you for giving context to this game.
I actually like hydlide and super hydlide (I've never played hydlide 2) and the original game had a D&D feel to me. Super hydlide had a very expansive world and secrets in it (especially the lightsaber). But I think we can all agree, Virtual hydlide is the game that would scar anybody mentally (hit detection is bawlz)
Honestly a lot of early fantasy games from the early-mid 1980s have a very “DND” like feel to them. Whenever I boot up Hydlide or Gauntlet or Dragon Warrior I just can’t help being glad it’s the year 2018 and that being a nerd is cool now so I don’t have to worry about never getting a girlfriend.
Another great video. Keep up the good work.
The NES just got the game way too late, and on top of that got a rather lazy straightforward port, which is a shame. Another reason why region-locking and non-global releases have always been, and always will be, a bad idea. Especially if you are developing for a new platform for which all the tricks to get the most out of the hardware aren't known yet, or can't make use of them because you deal with the limitations of porting, you run the risk of falling behind on the competition.
Thanks for doing this honest review, and recognising the game for what it has meant for the genre. :)
Really enjoyed watching this video thank you :)
Great Review!!! Still need to add that game to my collection.
Dont add that shit to your collection
I pass up this game all the time at stores but I think I'll pick it up now. Thank man! Great review!
Hydlide is bad dont get
juan alvarado Well, you most certainly entitled to your opinion. >:-(
Josh Smith what do you mean exactly
Alright, I'm willing to look over its shortcomings because of its history and I will respect what it means in the Action-RPG genre. The history still however does not excuse the shitty game that America got, it really doesn't! I live by the phrase "quit while your ahead." In some cases and Hydlide should have followed that advice. It didn't have to port the game over after 5 years without some MASSIVE editing and updating.
Need to say... well done! You have some pretty good arguments. Now i can't hate it as much as before...
Overall a pretty fair take. Time explains a lot. Just look at a lot of PSX games that are considered classic.
If they are 3D; chances are that they are only fondly remembered due to nostalgia, most of them would not play well AT ALL compared to newer games. This makes perfect sense - a lot of things we take for granted just didn't exist then. Camera issues were rampant - it had a reason that SUper Mario 64 used Lakitu as a camera standin to explain that very concept!
Horse carriages are not STOOPID LOLOL just because cars exist. They are cleverly designed and an important step in making cars. Doesn't mean I want to ride in one, though.
Have you tried Super Hydlide on Genesis? It addresses some of the issues you have with normal Hydlide.
+Milky Lamb you do know that's the third game in the series remade right?
Id love to you do a review of Neutopia for turbografx 16.
In my collection, but haven't gotten to it yet. Nice review!
Dont get its a disgrace to have in a collection
Hydlide didn't come to America until 3 years after Zelda was released in general.
This video was epic. Thank you for this!
I remember playing this game as a kid and I really enjoyed it but maybe that's because I just take each game as an independent experience and don't compare to other titles this is a good game in its own way if it was perfect then there would only be one rpg game ever made but each game is unique plenty of games adopted the bash mechanic after this game you can pick a copy up for under 8 bucks so you can't go wrong
I played this game the first time in earnest upon its recent support on Retro Achievements, and...it's far from the worst I played. I've played trash that is so much worse, Hydlide doesn't even rank. I used a guide to find everything, but I'd do this for anything this old. All in all it was a worthy "afternoon" type experience. I have little desire to revisit the game but I don't feel my time was wasted, either.
I do enjoy playing Hydlide (especially on days when I’m too busy to actually sit down for enough time to get very far into an epic RPG like Zelda or Dragon Warrior), but I won’t deny that the looping 10-15 second Indiana Jones music and the fact that the game is crammed into a little window surrounded by UI does irk me a bit.
Wow I thought this was a massive pro Jared but it was not, great video. I played hydlide 1 for sharp x68, and play hydlide 2 for msx and have to say people really told bullshit. It's actually a great game. I even played the remake
Great script of the video man!
Zelda isn't really an ARPG, except Zelda II, it's just an Open-World Action-Adventure game. I guess genres weren't well define back in the NES days, but looking back retrospectively, we can label it with our modern lens.
You mentioned Ys in your review, but if you haven't played those games you definitely should! You don't seem like a PC gamer (or a digital download gamer) but the best versions are on steam. The PSP versions are good as well though (except for Ark of Napishtam...PC or PS2 for that one).
I'm like 666! Awesome for Halloween!
We used to rent this game all the time at the video rental place. We were always trying to figure out how to play. I liked the system and the music wasn't that bad. We just didn't really understand it really well back then but we never disliked it at all. It seemed fun and we enjoyed playing it.
I guess you got the point across, but that's not how bank switching works. :)
All(*) NES games have two ROM chips, one for code and one for graphics data (* though a lot of "later" titles would swap the graphics chip for a RAM chip). Bank switching allows more data on the ROM chips, not additional chips.
aaah yes, hydlide
played it and found it annoying for many factors but the main factor of annoyance is the music (i literally muted it and played the over world theme from the original zelda and it made it WAAAY more tolerable)
Now you should do a review of Deadly Towers. :)
Might as well get this.
Also, when you say "MSX2" you show an "MSX2+" which is a later generation (appearing in 1988) at 6.55!
Your description for how to make the game much better would be great once people can more largely mod hydlide
I have it but I have yet to get the damned hunk of plastic to actually boot.
Really enjoyed that analysis of Hydlide . Putting into context , its an important stepping stone in action rpg evolution.....It's still terrible to play though :)
to make an omelette, eggs must be broken
Happy Video Game Nerd also has a series called Is it really that bad?
Good video though.
cyde79 :??? What?
It didn't age very well at all, even by the time it was ported to the NES. Compare it to the Ys games which have aged much better for their time. Even then, the Ys series has gotten far more polished over the years. I'm not even talking about the changes in the battle system, I'm referring to the remakes of the first game that still utilized the Bumb attack system.
The things you described to fix Hydlide were things that were in Ys. IMO, you were describing a Ys game to some degree there.
I'm a newer fan of the series since I didn't have a Turbografix 16, and my first introductions to the series were with Ys Origins and YS I and II chronicles. I have seen gameplay footage of the Turbografix version of I and II and to me it looks like it holds up well since I like a lot of 16 bit action-rpg games like The Soul Blazer trilogy.
They made further changes, some far more drastic. Compare the most recent Ys Seven and Memories of Celceta to Ys origins, Ys Oath in Felghana, and Ys Ark of Naphishtim. And compare those to the ones before them. Even Ys III was quit a departure.
It hasn't been perfect, not every game has been a gem (like Ys V), but the series has consistently gotten better and better.
I think it would be fair to give a few concessions to Hydlide if it had actually improved much. Projared reviewed some it's sequels, and while you can see a bit of improvement in Super Hydelide, it had features that just did not look fun having to deal with like hunger and harsh weight limits. The latest Hydlide game was a remake of the first one and it looked atrocious.
If the the bump attack system is something you find fun, then the original Ys games far surpass it. For Ys I and II I'd recommend either the turbografix version, or Ys I and II Chronicles for the psp or pc.
OK I didn't know the part about it being five years old by the time it was released. My first memory with this game is playing it at a friend's house, years after playing the original LoZ. I remember my friend sort of laughing at my wanting to play it. From the first few minutes of playing, I was completely baffled by the combat system and what the game wanted me to do. I stuck with it, eventually beating it years later, but it always sat with me as being, well, a crappy Zelda clone. While I would still say it's pretty bad, knowing that it actually preceded Zelda by that long changes my opinion of it.
Great video. Good to finally see a balanced perspective on Hydlide. Yes, the game has aged terribly. But it still deserves respect for shaping the action RPG genre.
The only disappointment was that this video didn't call out Zelda for being a Hydlide rip-off... Not that it's a bad thing, since Zelda improved on it vastly.
Except it isn't a rip off. Only an idiot would think a game with a VASTLY different mechanical approach to it is a rip off(even the barebones plot of each game isn't similar to one another!)
I had this game. Hated it. Never understood it, thats why im here 30 years later to make sense of this madness.
Hydlide definitely looks like it *should* have been good.
to answer your Question: is the game that bad?? well, honestly, Other than the soundtrack? If you can call it a soundtrack. IDK, I've never played the game myself.
I've Only ever heard about it.
Hydlide is an artifact of its time. By modern standards, it's awful, but it probably shouldn't be criticized much simply because it is so old. That said, there was no reason to port it to the NES and that port can be considered a bad game.
I owned this game in 1990 and it was awful by the standards of that time too.
I let my friends borrow it, and they all hated it.
We criticized and hated it because we knew it was crap even when we were kids.
On other systems it was pioneer material but on NES its just broken!
that.....mussiicccKKKKKrrrrr........GURgrhrghGHHH!!!
I actually enjoyed this game when I played it.
Thanks for the review. Personally, for me, it is that bad. Starting the game so weak and taking 30 minutes to level up to level 2, just to be slightly less weak means 99% of players are going to just give up. By the time I was aware of this game, there were already fun RPGs and action RPGs, like Faxanadu and Dragon Warrior, where the game mechanics were much better. Sure, those games could be frustrating at times, but Hydlide starts the player at the maximum frustration level.
Yes.
I remember looking at the cover art and thought I would be playing a game like Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy, and Crystalis. I saved my money only to go to Woolworths and buy this piece of trash. I felt so duped. This game and Ultima Exodus were some of my early RPG's regrets.
i dont like hydlide, but i like you. subscribed.
I think the first Zelda is a Dungeon Crawler actually not an action RPG.
Zelda is an action-adventure game, not an RPG. Most people don't seem to realize that, though.
Hydlide is actually one of favorite games! It was my first PC game as a kid!
...and now, as an adult, I'm making a hentai parody of it, on the NES, just for fun! =P
So many judge the game and forget the context and time at which game was released
Fairune is a lot like this game, but good. somehow.
marsgreekgod That is true, but, it was really short. I finished it in less than a day. The end boss had unexpected gameplay mechanics.
the 2nd game is a lot better and longer
Projared has streamed the game 3 times already.
He must really enjoy it then, surely. 😆
@@SuperDerek and he just streamed it for his birthday stream. He use a program similar to your jukebox hero streams. For an exemple, he was about to Load Hydlide and boom, it resume a F-Zero race mid curve. F-Zero is legit an Horror game in a game randomiser
Just discovered your channel and am enjoying it. I have one nitpick, however. You are pronouncing Ys wrong by pronouncing it "Yeese". It's pronounced more like the "ice" in the name "Maurice". Here is a video where it is pronounced in the Ys 1 Turbografx intro: ruclips.net/video/QpqiVA8pXw4/видео.html. Skip around one minute in to hear it. I highly recommend checking out the Ys series. Ys Chronicles is an amazing intro to the series if you haven't tried it. It's on PC and PSP. The whole series is in english now that Aeon Genesis put out a translation to 5, and the fan translation/dub of 4's Turbografx version was released awhile ago. Would be sweet to see more Ys love on youtube :)
-- Ys Super Fan
Aw darn it! I wasn't sure how to pronounce it so I took a shot in the dark, but I figured someone would correct me if I butchered it bad enough. ;)
Believe me, Ys is definitely in my list of game series to tackle. It's just a matter of picking a good starting point, and then actually buying it, and having the hardware to do so... I'll look into grabbing a copy of Chronicles. :)
Most people don't pronounce it correctly until they hear it, so it's understandable. I'm looking forward to your future reviews, and possibly ones of Ys! Subscribed.
got it as a kid, could never figure out what to do. Even worse, you die so fast, can't really figure the game out. I can see it as hair pulling. Now as an adult, I finally got it again, to maybe figure it out. The leveling is bad, still die so easily. But the game is great with Game Genie codes, can beat it in 10-15 minutes. Too bad magic is useless, you can kill enemies with it but doesn't give experience, another big issue there. Can't use magic even on the dragon or final boss.
weal i actually like hydlide :) and virtual hydlide is awesome for me too
I liked this game as a wee man, knowing full well that it was schyte
Abolish the monarchy!
I don't hate Hydlide. I respect its importance in gaming history, and I used to legitimately enjoy it as a kid. What people don't realize is that the combat system, while clunky as all heck, is actualy fun once you master it. Using defend mode is part of the strategy.
But I admit, the game aged very poorly. Even in its own time. Merely three years after its original release it was already obsolete. I don't hold that against it though, as there was literally no standard for that genre at the time.
It's a clunky first step for an infant genre. All that said, I HATE the music, which is allegedly from Hydlide II.
My only real question is... what is a "Hydlide"?
Hated it after spending $50!(that was $2.50 allowance every week in '88....do the math)
But when your 7 and only have 3 NES carts you play'd that shit till you new every cryptic
puzzle those sadistic programmers could throw at you. Use everything on everything.
Quick question.....Does anybody actually miss grinding? I know I do and I'm not ashamed to admit it. :P
Ouch. Yeah I wouldn't have been a happy camper in your shoes either. I too remember the days of $2 a week allowances, but I never had the patience to save up for anything more than a Ninja Turtles action figure or two.
Personally, I don't miss grinding, mostly because I never stopped playing the games that require it though. :)
That awkward moment when you realize you rented an old game beacuse of it's resemblance to a newer one
Gameception
its not that bad but its like e.t if you compare it to super hydlide
i like how noone reviews hydlide 3
Which Hydlide 3 are you talking about, the Japanese one or the 3rd one that made it state-side?
the japanese one
I've got plans to review Super Hydlide. Actually just picked up a copy not too long ago. I don't have Virtua Hydlide though, and I'm honestly not sure if I'm ready to tackle that... Though I've heard some people do like it.
There's one more, actually!
yea
Hydlide is the greatest rpg of all time
A princess being split into three fairies? As soon as you said that, I immediately thought of 3D Dot Game Heroes. So this is the game they got that from!
I can't honestly say whether this game is bad since I never played it, so I can't be a fair judge of it. But from what I've seen, I don't think this is for me.
Still, I'd say you brought up some good points, so very well done!
I wanted so badly to like this game. But I just cannot stand the jerky screen scrolling, the endless waves of boring enemies, the frustrating battle system, annoying glitches, and uneventful game world.
finished this game, then I sold it
why'd you sell it? you didnt like it?
Love the Indiana Jones theme rip off.
Yes hydlide is as bad as projared says