@@christinel5347 as a woman if a man is this needy as needy as Vanja I would run and ver look back. She is way too needy for her own good. Bozo had dumped her and she still booked tickets to go start a relationship with him. He got scared and said he doesn’t feel any connection. Being needy is not sexy at all
She needs to get some therapy! That’s two men that she didn’t know that she called “The one”. She needs to heal, so that she can have the happy, healthy relationship that she deserves!! Much luck to her!!! ❤
Every man she comes across she says she has never felt that great connection before. This guy watched the show and saw what she had said about Her x and then Bozo or whatever his name is. Her ex dumped her because of being needy, bozo ddi the same and now this guy. He kept wondering if he was a rebound guy. She started crying saying how “connected” she feels with him. She is kind of a guy or girl you meet online and after first date says you’re in a relationship and needs to close all of your dating apps…she is weird
What purpose would it have served Josko to fabricate the adoption story? Especially when he was courting someone who was upfront about having no interest in becoming a mother and never saw herself in a motherly role? That would be some next-level ultra-advanced military-grade reverse psychology if Josko manufactured this story to seduce Vanja. It is also widely known and well-documented that there is a higher need for adoptive parents in many European countries in the Balkans for a variety of socio-economic and geo-political reasons.
@@Debthouse I didnt get the impression that when they were talking that she said she didnt have motherly instincts. I think he just wanted one thing...
@@IndigoStone I am quite certain that Vanja said something to this effect both in her conversations with Josko directly and in her confessionals. This was not stated just once, but multiple times whenever the topic of the adoption were brought up in conversation or when she was processing her own thoughts in a confessional. Upon what is your impression based? My understanding is based on observing what is being broadcast in the various episodes of the show. I still do not understand how Josko stating that he has already started the adoption process is a ploy to get the one thing you are alleging he wanted. She was completely smitten with him before he even mentioned that fact.
@@DebthouseI am from Australia so my knowledge is exclusive to what RUclipsrs post because we only just started getting these episodes and havent even met Vanja yet lol. I only saw the clips from her confessionals which I can't assume we're shown to this guy. And then the one where she was saying she was worried she wouldn't be good enough. This clip was shown when they weren't in America though. I am 99% positive this is your classic case of once they get sex, they lose interest. I am not saying that to bad mouth though, I think some people aren't even aware it's a problem and why they lose interest. Lack of self awareness if you will. Some people just like a chase.
@@JustDawnNo it means that the universe or life is protecting you from something when you experience rejection. It’s like a way of saying you were rejected for a reason, maybe to be protected from crappy stuff in the future
U were right until you added “always” in the end . Nothing to do with protection when you fight and someone break up because they mad at you and wanna show it. He broke up because she didn’t call him for 5 days and he’s emotional intelligence did like a kid on steroids. Men are NOT always trying to protect themselves like women
I doubt it was just a “hit and quit” he came to her country from his, that ticket ALONE is not cheap furthermore finding someone to take care of his child…. He was interested at one point
Not really she claimed to be celibate for 6yrs and let him hit it, there must be something she did that was off putting, she comes out as desperate, clingy and demanding
She dodges a bullet..imagine taking care of a young child when she didn't look for that. Consider herself lucky not having to put up with all that man's baggages.
He's just an old player. Someone tell him he's too old for these games. Shame on him. Now i dont believe the child adoption story . I honestly believed him. But seeing how comfortable he was in his underwear anywhere he had an opportunity to take his pants off was a red flag for me. He is a typical player . We want more info on this guy. He can't just do such a beautiful soul Vanja like that . He needs to apologise not just to her but us too for leading her and us on.
I was routing for them😭 Josko seemed like a family oriented man. Maybe she appeared to him like she didn’t want to be a mother but over time she probably would’ve came around to the idea. Poor Vanya💔
Sorry I would have to kindly disagree.. if she doesn’t have those extincts at 40+ she’s probably just not made for it! Also It’s completely ok if she don’t have those qualities (it’s not like she has kids herself) she needs a single man no kids honestly
I honestly kind of thought that guy was a player. I prefer the first guy who straight up told Vanja he didn’t feel anything for her. He even said he was surprised she even invited him to her place on first date. As a woman or even a man, that is a red flag and a sign of being too needy. I think Vanja says she has this great connection with all men she has come across
@@Debthouse honestly I would have been shocked if this actually worked out. It's not normal for a guy to tell someone they've known for 3 days "I know you are the one for me and you will be a perfect mother to my kid". Vanja is grown enough to know better.
this is why i don't exactly know how some people seem to be able to keep their heart open to being vulnerable with someone. How can you keep having your heart broken and your dignity trampled like that, over and over again, and still have openness
She hasn’t learned her lessons. Gotta take things slow, especially these days. Men don’t like to take it slowly because they want to get in you in bed and figure the rest out later. Get to know each other and make sure the man is worthy of you! She made herself way too easy for Bozo AND Josco. She’s acting like a golden retriever when she should be a black cat 😉
Josko wanted to be on tv. When the explanation for the breakup doesn't make sense (he could have just said he was busy at night and could only test or whatever) it's because he was looking for a reason to break it off.
I would have broken it off too. She’s not planning to move to his country. He has a child to raise! No time for games. He was ready and willing to accept her in his life. But she wants to stay in usa.
@@c.carter7219 Exactly. He was very attracted to her, but after spending time with her, he realized that she was not the best choice for his child. He is doing what is in the best interest of his son. Every single parent should follow his lead. This is strength of character.
How old are these people? This is like high school freshmen experiencing their first relationship. Obviously they did not have good communication or an understanding of each other if a small disagreement can break them up.
thats on her...i like vanja but she's way to agressive, all these people on the show like natalie, magda, vanja want a marriage proposal and kids right away...thats way too intense...she should know most guys just want to get laid...thats a given, at that age especially....30s? ....she is just going from guy to guy at this point...she only knows jocko for a few days and she's talking him moving and long term..thats way too soon for expecting marriage basically..same with magda she wants marriage right away with a guy she doesn't trust..she's super controlling and jealous and natalie, she wants kids right away...i don't see any of these women wanting to develop a real relationship well vanja does but she's just too agressive going from guy to guy.
@@westoftherockies Vanja is NOT aggressive, she is agreeable to be in a relationship. Some people know what they want and when they want it. However, being used by a person that had no good intentions was not her fault. She was misled by a man playing games that HE knew he was playing, how is she responsible to know what games he is playing when she was only being genuine? There is nothing wrong with expecting marriage after you have made it clear what your dating goal is from the very beginning.
This is a classic example of wham, bam, thank you maa'm. They didnt do it while she was visiting him and he was obviously kept interested as a result, and once they did it, the euphoria wore off for him.
He love bombed her. Dumped her from another country AFTER visiting her and finally getting the goodies. Then uses the child as an excuse. We all knew he was too damn perfect.
Is getting the gooidies SO "expensive" that one would even travel for it? Really curious. JUST for the goodies, all that jazz? You can have a 1-night stand any day anywhere
I'm perplexed as well. Maybe he's been lying all the time, maybe has met someone else, maybe she was too good for him or maybe really he felt smth he didn't like, but I don't feel that last option
I caught a glimpse of the tell all. The only couple there were Tigerlilly and Adnan, the rest were all solo with their partners and ex partners there via video screen connection.
As the infamous saying goes...."why buy the cow if you get the milk for free". Vanya shouldn't have allowed the relationship to go so fast. She's appears to be a wonderful human being and she should know her worth.
Their story was giving me hope that you can get love after a heartbreak and disappointment I was worried that they were moving too fast, but sometimes things do work out. Wishing Vanja the best in her love life ❤. It can be such a demoralizing thing.
I’ve been watching 90 Days for eons. Of all the women I’ve seen so far, Vanja is the most likable. She’s adorable and deserves happiness. This guy was not for her and I thought that from the beginning. She can do better. I’m on Team Vanja!
Okay now I get it. She's definitely pretty needy. At least for European standards. Bozo said that she was clingy when they first met irl which is what started the extremely fast downfall of their relationship. Now Joko is saying that she's needy and instantly cut it off with her. There's definitely a pattern here
He was in it for 60 minutes of fame. I wandered why the producers did not give a lot of details of his background. I could see the hiding for good TV. He was promoting his body. I bet he is into health body building.
Vanja you're a beautiful woman. I see the guys are taking advantage of you and this guy enjoyed the time with you and now suddenly finding faults with you. Stay strong, get therapy and believe in yourself. Time will decide everything and you will find a suitable guy. Best wishes to you.
I've seen men stick around longer with women who are mean and abusive.... So, Vanja is being loving and sweet with standards and maintains her chastity. The minute she sneezes the wrong way, he's gone!! Unfortunately, she moved too quickly. Please don't change who you are to get a man. However, take your time. Know your worth and value. Pay attention to the flags. Set boundaries. Don't over share. You didn't know him well enough to trust him with your vulnerabilities. He's already used it against you by saying you don't have motherly instincts??? Any man that loves you will not use your words against you. Take this time to self-reflect so you can practice mindfulness behaviors.
I was really having such high hopes for her and then now this happens😭 She does have motherly instincts, and she has taken care of a little girl for years until her relationship sadly ended and she was telling him about her past.
Calling someone twice a day when you have a baby to take care of might be what his point was, he didnt appreciate her being needy and demanding so much, not being understanding of his priorities, just a guess from everything Vanja said
He was with Vanja for 3 days and when dropping her to airport said "he might go to lunch with his parents or he might go home and see his son" - how odd. Would you not pick your son up and then go see the "grandparents" or just go home to spend time with your child - very odd. I didn't believe him to be real regardless....
I like her but man oh man she lives in lala land , she wants to meet someone and instantly fall in love , theres no such thing thats lust and it burns out quickly.
Everybody is talking about how he slept with her and left. Here’s a crazy thought, maybe Vanja should stop moving so quickly with these men. I mean meeting a random man off tinder in a different country is CRAZY! There are so many stories about people being attacked by someone they met off of tinder or any dating app especially plenty of fish. Idk I kinda see it from his point of view tho. He says she’s not mother material because of how needy she is. Now I understand how us ladies can be when we first meet someone but he’s a dad (supposedly) so he doesn’t have the time to always be on the phone with her. We also don’t know how their conversations are when they are on the phone. Vanja seems lovely but even the lovely ones can be crazy when in love.
Well, I can say Vanja is young and beautiful so she needs to slow down a bit before being intimate with guys. She needs to spend enough time and know the intentions, find the chemistry before taking into an intimate level. No rush please Vanja. Vanja you will find a right guy. Be strong and stay positive. Best wishes.
Ok, so he’s gone, Vanja you really knew nothing about him, he never invited you to his house, while you were there. He’s probably married in the middle of divorce and wants to take the child from his wife. He saw that you were nit ready for a kid and he came with history.
I think you are onto something! He probably was hiding something. And I wondered who was taking care of this baby during his three day stint with Vanja in Croatia and then a 10 day trip to the US? Most people would not leave a 1 year old baby for that long unless its actual mother was there to take care of it.
@@jacquiandp-dog7755if I’m not mistaken he said that the child he’s fostering is too young to be taken from the wet nurse yet, so he will eventually have full time custody of the baby but for now he cannot fully adopt hence the “fostering” … idk though. He scared me tbh
@@neginedia8501Yes, he’s kind of creepy. He’s way too proud of wearing as few clothes as possible. His chest is full of ingrown hairs and bumps from shaving it. I find that yucky 🤢
I 100% agree. Any adequate woman will leave if she hears on the second meeting “You are the one, I’m sure” and bla bla When I was 18 I would listen. Now I would leave right after. Be realistic, use your brain.
Didn't Bojo dump her for the same reason? At some point she needs to stop blaming everyone else and starts looking at and thinking more about what she's doing wrong to make these guys run away (after tapping it, of course)
She is sweet but …yes, she is extremely needy! She jumps on guys way too fast. It looks obsessive. Unless she gets some help, this will keep happening.
Wow, pretty sure they had daily phonecalls prior to him coming to USA. He didnt complain until after the trip? Did he sleep with her during the USA trip or during the time in Croatia? Cos the sequence of his sudden change in attitude matters
Yea… As an introvert, I can’t do morning and evening calls everyday either. I would definitely run away from someone if they insisted on that. Space is very necessary for me or else it becomes overwhelming. One day I can talk to you for four hours straight and the next day I can only do 10 minutes. It’s about knowing each other’s limits and boundaries and being ok with it. It’s give and take.
Texting is fine but not on the phone daily that’s off putting. Once a week is fine but since they’re long distance they should just talk twice a week anymore than that is too much
@@Bunny11344that's your opinion though. Everyone is different. It's important to let the other person know your limits, and if needed, compromise. You can't just say this is what I want and expect the other person to just agree with what YOU want.
He called her needy , pretty much what bozo said she is very clingy and if a man has a child that child needs attention and she will fight him for it, demanding it for herself
@@Abracadabra1111NOBODY is that busy! A phone call can be 5 minutes it doesn’t need to last for hours. Everyone is busy nowadays people have multiple jobs, families, pets, illnesses, troubles, etc etc but we’re still on our phones we have time for RUclips but not a 5 minute call? That’s bs. Josko is the one who told her she’s definitely the one for him and that he wants her to be the mother of his kid. It’s not like Vanja said it first.
I thought so as well, but I was hesitant to comment about his looks here for fear of being piled on. You can tell that he’s into that shaving his chest hair because he has ingrown hairs and bumps all over the place. I find that yucky. Vanja is beautiful and she sure can do better!
I think he was "a plant" because the producers knew he would bail on her and pull at certain viewers' heartstrings. Albeit, Vanja is a major spaz... However, I don't see where he really had much to offer her or America (besides his need for a babysitter). She finally got laid and has no need to sponsor that fool for a Green Card now! Honestly, I am pleased with how things worked out for her.
Good riddance. Why would she raise some other woman’s child. Josko has too much baggage. He needs to find a woman who also has a child, it would work better for him. And Vanja can find a man to date who is single, never been divorced and without a child…. that’s more on her level, more of a compatible match.
You must despise the concept of adoption or foster parenting. Do you get a thrill when new step-parents drive a wedge between the biological parent and child? You must be surprised when step, foster, or adopted parents eliminate children that it is actually considered a homicide, which is a crime. How can getting rid of garbage be considered a homicide, right? You realize that a child is just a younger, smaller, vulnerable human being who is dependent on those around them (ideally fully functional adults or extremely responsible teenagers) for their survival. A child is not an old desk, a fraying couch, a broken down vehicle, or last week's newspaper. It is a living breathing entity. Taking on the responsibility of raising someone else's child may not be for everyone, but why do you have to make it seem like some vile infectious specimen of life? I hope you are never put in such a position. More importantly, I hope no child or adult even, is subjected to your lack of empathy and compassion for fellow humans. Or even just lacking a filter to keep some of your despicable opinions to yourself.
@@jayespi37 Time ticks for everyone and no one at the same time. It is not just for women of a certain age. It ticks long before one is born and continues well after one leaves the Earthly plane. You can observe time passing for yourself by acquiring your very own timepiece in the form of a watch or a clock. Available in analog or digital. The movement of the sun and the angles of the shadows it casts is also demonstrative of time passing by. Isn't it glorious to live in an age when time ticks for all and does not discriminate based on gender, race, creed, etc. Time is universal. Time and space are the fourth dimension. #chronos
I saw a clip where he talks to her and states he misses her but finding childcare was hard when he visited he relied on his parents and the kid cried the whole time he was gone and that apparently Vanja talked about how she didn’t know how she felt about a kid running around her house. They talk and vanja states she’s upset they didn’t talk this out and he made a choice for the both of them and he said “no I made a choice for what was best for my kid” I see both sides…
Idk why everyone is saying he is now a bad person cause he break up like why? Everyone is free to do whwt they want, he was bad person if he draged this relationship knowing it will never work out
Vanja, you are an amazing woman. If I was a man I would treat you better. I'm so sorry you haven't had the best of luck with men. Don't give up. Your very strong, beautiful and independent. Your perfect match will come to you when you least expect. Take care of you right now.
She probably told him she doesn’t want to give up her independent woman 4 jobs lifestyle in the US. That’s the only reason he said that she doesn’t have motherly instincts. He wants her to move to his country.
Vagay missing her ex's child is one of the reasons men don't wanna date single moms They get attached too. Yet, if you break up you have no rights to ever even see the child again
i sent a text that said good morning. the person i had been dating never responded. after months of silence i finally realized i was single. at least josko freed her to move on instead of ghosting her.
Vanja and her cousin are pretty ❤ bless her! I really like Vanja she will get her happily ever after… she’s genuine and means well by ppl! Keep ur head up sweetie ❤ u got this
The guy just recently had a break up and a young baby. He might have realized that starting a new relationship right away was probably not a good idea. Regardless, she dodged a bullet.
I knew it...looked way too good to be true,, the whole thing they had was looked almost too scripted- noone can keep the mask on for too long, eventually it'll fall off revealing the real you. Feel bad for Vanja😢she's been rejected so many times for reasons that are very hurtful...I hope she finds the love she truly deserves...
I knew he was a BSer the minute he opened his mouth! He just says the things girls , women want to hear but really ? I love you and you are the one, one the first date? Come on! Player all over! Maybe I would have believed him when I was 18 not in my late forties 😂
This is why you can stop watching romantic comedies. They are the stupidest genre of movie that ever existed. I personally like Gothic horror like crimson peak or sleepy hollow. But back to my point. Men usually follow the rule not exception. I'm pretty close with my father and he's transparent. I'm wondering if these women don't have discussions with their fathers. If a man tells you that you are the one on the first couple of dates most likely he is trying to get into your pants. Regardless if he is a family man or not. And my ex-husband actually did say this the first few dates but hey look how that turned out. And he was the exception not the rule. Even if a guy does mean it you can let him prove it. If you give him what he wants right away you're going to end up getting hurt unless you truly don't take it seriously then by all means be a sess and the city samantha. But most women are not Samanthas and are lying to themselves in my experience as a spiritual reader who gets these kinds of complaints all the time.
The fact that he flew all the way to the US to see her, made everyone thinks he was a serious guy. This is a shock. He could be lying this whole time
Lmao he did it for the cookie 😂😂😂
@@Bunny11344he did it for the TV exposure
You are right. She said it herself, that she insisted on consistency in communication . He felt stifled.
@@christinel5347 as a woman if a man is this needy as needy as Vanja I would run and ver look back. She is way too needy for her own good. Bozo had dumped her and she still booked tickets to go start a relationship with him. He got scared and said he doesn’t feel any connection. Being needy is not sexy at all
People aren't allowed to change their minds? Doesn't mean he's not a serious guy. He simply didn't know this side of her.
He played her for the camera, keep your head up Vanja!!
She needs to get some therapy! That’s two men that she didn’t know that she called “The one”. She needs to heal, so that she can have the happy, healthy relationship that she deserves!! Much luck to her!!! ❤
True. Very true...she's too naive for a woman her age😢
Every man she comes across she says she has never felt that great connection before. This guy watched the show and saw what she had said about Her x and then Bozo or whatever his name is. Her ex dumped her because of being needy, bozo ddi the same and now this guy. He kept wondering if he was a rebound guy. She started crying saying how “connected” she feels with him. She is kind of a guy or girl you meet online and after first date says you’re in a relationship and needs to close all of your dating apps…she is weird
@ I agree!!!
Exactly 👍
Hopeless romantics are like that, they fall easily for love. Not always good, but that's what they do.
Nah he's met someone
What purpose would it have served Josko to fabricate the adoption story? Especially when he was courting someone who was upfront about having no interest in becoming a mother and never saw herself in a motherly role? That would be some next-level ultra-advanced military-grade reverse psychology if Josko manufactured this story to seduce Vanja.
It is also widely known and well-documented that there is a higher need for adoptive parents in many European countries in the Balkans for a variety of socio-economic and geo-political reasons.
@@Debthouse I didnt get the impression that when they were talking that she said she didnt have motherly instincts. I think he just wanted one thing...
@@IndigoStone I am quite certain that Vanja said something to this effect both in her conversations with Josko directly and in her confessionals. This was not stated just once, but multiple times whenever the topic of the adoption were brought up in conversation or when she was processing her own thoughts in a confessional.
Upon what is your impression based? My understanding is based on observing what is being broadcast in the various episodes of the show.
I still do not understand how Josko stating that he has already started the adoption process is a ploy to get the one thing you are alleging he wanted. She was completely smitten with him before he even mentioned that fact.
@@DebthouseI am from Australia so my knowledge is exclusive to what RUclipsrs post because we only just started getting these episodes and havent even met Vanja yet lol.
I only saw the clips from her confessionals which I can't assume we're shown to this guy. And then the one where she was saying she was worried she wouldn't be good enough. This clip was shown when they weren't in America though.
I am 99% positive this is your classic case of once they get sex, they lose interest. I am not saying that to bad mouth though, I think some people aren't even aware it's a problem and why they lose interest. Lack of self awareness if you will. Some people just like a chase.
Yes 1000 men act like stranger when they meet someone new n completely change n act like they don't know they lose compassion n emphaty
Rejection is protection! ALWAYS!
Sooo... He rejected her, to protect HIMSELF???
@@JustDawnNo it means that the universe or life is protecting you from something when you experience rejection. It’s like a way of saying you were rejected for a reason, maybe to be protected from crappy stuff in the future
Yup ,a man's rejection is a God's protection.
@@potatosandtomatoes3 Ahhh.. gotcha! I was a little annoyed at the comment at first. Thank you for explaining!
U were right until you added “always” in the end . Nothing to do with protection when you fight and someone break up because they mad at you and wanna show it. He broke up because she didn’t call him for 5 days and he’s emotional intelligence did like a kid on steroids. Men are NOT always trying to protect themselves like women
What a jerk! Vanja is a catch for the right guy. Someone who appreciates all she is!!
women say that, but the men aren't saying that 😆
Whose opinion matters more?
@ZZ-kj2pz is she to much? To intense right off? I can see that. And lmao, I suppose it's the boys she's trying to impress so🤷♀️😆
Ahhhhhhh the old “hit it and quit it” move. I remember those days. Happy I’m done dating. Ain’t worth the funky headache
I doubt it was just a “hit and quit” he came to her country from his, that ticket ALONE is not cheap furthermore finding someone to take care of his child…. He was interested at one point
@@patricejackson6718 I dont think he would have come to America if they had already done it though
Not really she claimed to be celibate for 6yrs and let him hit it, there must be something she did that was off putting, she comes out as desperate, clingy and demanding
he could do much better at home
She dodges a bullet..imagine taking care of a young child when she didn't look for that. Consider herself lucky not having to put up with all that man's baggages.
That's if he even has a child
Single parents deserve love the same as everyone else 😅
@@oceanbreeze4361 he was searching a babysitter !
Nope @@raluca3915
@@raluca3915no they don’t they should focus on their kid until it’s time for the after life
Well that went down fast
Slightly faster than it went up. Or possibly slightly slower. I haven't tabulated all the official times yet from our officiants and adjudicators.
He's just an old player. Someone tell him he's too old for these games. Shame on him. Now i dont believe the child adoption story .
I honestly believed him. But seeing how comfortable he was in his underwear anywhere he had an opportunity to take his pants off was a red flag for me.
He is a typical player . We want more info on this guy. He can't just do such a beautiful soul Vanja like that .
He needs to apologise not just to her but us too for leading her and us on.
He’s not that into her he might’ve been the changed his mind
Your instincts about him turned out to be true.
I was routing for them😭 Josko seemed like a family oriented man. Maybe she appeared to him like she didn’t want to be a mother but over time she probably would’ve came around to the idea. Poor Vanya💔
@@veganlove6312 I hate to think this because he did seem like a good guy, but was he love bombing her to get one thing? I hope not
dude he rly fooled me i thought he was the real deal, finding a real man these days is near impossible
Sorry I would have to kindly disagree.. if she doesn’t have those extincts at 40+ she’s probably just not made for it! Also It’s completely ok if she don’t have those qualities (it’s not like she has kids herself) she needs a single man no kids honestly
@@nc161 Yeah, me too
Yall are buying into her neediness 😂 he was crpy asf
I honestly kind of thought that guy was a player. I prefer the first guy who straight up told Vanja he didn’t feel anything for her. He even said he was surprised she even invited him to her place on first date. As a woman or even a man, that is a red flag and a sign of being too needy. I think Vanja says she has this great connection with all men she has come across
She's been celibate for 6 years.... Of course she must be desperate at her age...
1:18 Vanja, you were definitely not the only one who is in complete shock over whatever just switched everything up.
@@Debthouse honestly I would have been shocked if this actually worked out. It's not normal for a guy to tell someone they've known for 3 days "I know you are the one for me and you will be a perfect mother to my kid". Vanja is grown enough to know better.
Out of all the people that have been on this show, Vanja is my favorite and I hope she finds the one.
Men like that disgust me how can you use someone foryour own pleasure and dump her like shes nothink after using her
this is why i don't exactly know how some people seem to be able to keep their heart open to being vulnerable with someone. How can you keep having your heart broken and your dignity trampled like that, over and over again, and still have openness
She hasn’t learned her lessons. Gotta take things slow, especially these days. Men don’t like to take it slowly because they want to get in you in bed and figure the rest out later. Get to know each other and make sure the man is worthy of you! She made herself way too easy for Bozo AND Josco. She’s acting like a golden retriever when she should be a black cat 😉
Josko wanted to be on tv. When the explanation for the breakup doesn't make sense (he could have just said he was busy at night and could only test or whatever) it's because he was looking for a reason to break it off.
No he doesn't. If he did he would've done what Josh is doing and just keep stringing her along just for another season
I would have broken it off too. She’s not planning to move to his country. He has a child to raise! No time for games. He was ready and willing to accept her in his life. But she wants to stay in usa.
@@c.carter7219 Exactly. He was very attracted to her, but after spending time with her, he realized that she was not the best choice for his child. He is doing what is in the best interest of his son. Every single parent should follow his lead. This is strength of character.
It felt too good to be truth, but I really thought he was a nice guy 😢
Smth is shady there!!! But I trusted Her feelings about him...
Your instincts about him turned out to be true.
How old are these people? This is like high school freshmen experiencing their first relationship. Obviously they did not have good communication or an understanding of each other if a small disagreement can break them up.
You sleep with her then break up with her. Typical player.
thats on her...i like vanja but she's way to agressive, all these people on the show like natalie, magda, vanja want a marriage proposal and kids right away...thats way too intense...she should know most guys just want to get laid...thats a given, at that age especially....30s? ....she is just going from guy to guy at this point...she only knows jocko for a few days and she's talking him moving and long term..thats way too soon for expecting marriage basically..same with magda she wants marriage right away with a guy she doesn't trust..she's super controlling and jealous and natalie, she wants kids right away...i don't see any of these women wanting to develop a real relationship well vanja does but she's just too agressive going from guy to guy.
@@westoftherockies Vanja is NOT aggressive, she is agreeable to be in a relationship. Some people know what they want and when they want it. However, being used by a person that had no good intentions was not her fault. She was misled by a man playing games that HE knew he was playing, how is she responsible to know what games he is playing when she was only being genuine? There is nothing wrong with expecting marriage after you have made it clear what your dating goal is from the very beginning.
you know the saying -- if it's too good to be true, it usually is... it's ok vanja, the universe did you a favor and took the trash out for you.
This is a classic example of wham, bam, thank you maa'm. They didnt do it while she was visiting him and he was obviously kept interested as a result, and once they did it, the euphoria wore off for him.
He love bombed her. Dumped her from another country AFTER visiting her and finally getting the goodies.
Then uses the child as an excuse.
We all knew he was too damn perfect.
Is getting the gooidies SO "expensive" that one would even travel for it? Really curious. JUST for the goodies, all that jazz? You can have a 1-night stand any day anywhere
I'm perplexed as well. Maybe he's been lying all the time, maybe has met someone else, maybe she was too good for him or maybe really he felt smth he didn't like, but I don't feel that last option
Awww I hope there able to get him to go to the reunion to see his side of the story of what happened
I caught a glimpse of the tell all. The only couple there were Tigerlilly and Adnan, the rest were all solo with their partners and ex partners there via video screen connection.
She needs to take her time and stop doing alll the work for her relationships. She is too needy and needs to work on being softer with men…
THIS!!! She needs a relationship coach or something
As the infamous saying goes...."why buy the cow if you get the milk for free". Vanya shouldn't have allowed the relationship to go so fast. She's appears to be a wonderful human being and she should know her worth.
Their story was giving me hope that you can get love after a heartbreak and disappointment
I was worried that they were moving too fast, but sometimes things do work out.
Wishing Vanja the best in her love life ❤.
It can be such a demoralizing thing.
I’ve been watching 90 Days for eons. Of all the women I’ve seen so far, Vanja is the most likable. She’s adorable and deserves happiness. This guy was not for her and I thought that from the beginning. She can do better. I’m on Team Vanja!
He was playing her. What a jerk. I didn’t see it all. I feel really bad for her, but he is the one who looks like the fool. What a garbage person.
Okay now I get it. She's definitely pretty needy. At least for European standards. Bozo said that she was clingy when they first met irl which is what started the extremely fast downfall of their relationship. Now Joko is saying that she's needy and instantly cut it off with her. There's definitely a pattern here
Wow after all the good things that he said to her in the beginning... men never manage to surprise me.
He was in it for 60 minutes of fame. I wandered why the producers did not give a lot of details of his background. I could see the hiding for good TV. He was promoting his body. I bet he is into health body building.
Or English classes 😂
I'm sad for Vanja she is such a bright light and deserves the best.
Her time will come
Vanja you're a beautiful woman. I see the guys are taking advantage of you and this guy enjoyed the time with you and now suddenly finding faults with you. Stay strong, get therapy and believe in yourself. Time will decide everything and you will find a suitable guy. Best wishes to you.
I've seen men stick around longer with women who are mean and abusive.... So, Vanja is being loving and sweet with standards and maintains her chastity. The minute she sneezes the wrong way, he's gone!! Unfortunately, she moved too quickly. Please don't change who you are to get a man. However, take your time. Know your worth and value. Pay attention to the flags. Set boundaries. Don't over share. You didn't know him well enough to trust him with your vulnerabilities. He's already used it against you by saying you don't have motherly instincts??? Any man that loves you will not use your words against you. Take this time to self-reflect so you can practice mindfulness behaviors.
I was really having such high hopes for her and then now this happens😭 She does have motherly instincts, and she has taken care of a little girl for years until her relationship sadly ended and she was telling him about her past.
He's back with his baby mama because I don't believe that a single man will just go and adopt a baby. He's right about Vanja being too needy as well.
She is a beautiful woman, the right man will find her.
She’s so lovely and warm hearted..I feel bad for her. I hope she finds a good man ❤
Strange man, you dodged a bullet Vanja! 😩 You'll find someone better, it may take awhile but you will, I have no doubt! ❤
He's looking for someone who cooks and cleans
Calling someone twice a day when you have a baby to take care of might be what his point was, he didnt appreciate her being needy and demanding so much, not being understanding of his priorities, just a guess from everything Vanja said
And this is why you dont date single parents. You will never be a priority in their life.
Especially in a long distance relationship, he probably realized it's not worth it
He left the child for 10days. Wander if he was just going through approval process?
If this is needy and demanding, then he is in no place to be in a relationship with anyone.
@@RealityxFairytale Many mature women wouldn't ask for what Vanja is asking. So, he will be able to find someone there.
He was with Vanja for 3 days and when dropping her to airport said "he might go to lunch with his parents or he might go home and see his son" - how odd. Would you not pick your son up and then go see the "grandparents" or just go home to spend time with your child - very odd. I didn't believe him to be real regardless....
I like her but man oh man she lives in lala land , she wants to meet someone and instantly fall in love , theres no such thing thats lust and it burns out quickly.
Everybody is talking about how he slept with her and left. Here’s a crazy thought, maybe Vanja should stop moving so quickly with these men. I mean meeting a random man off tinder in a different country is CRAZY! There are so many stories about people being attacked by someone they met off of tinder or any dating app especially plenty of fish. Idk I kinda see it from his point of view tho. He says she’s not mother material because of how needy she is. Now I understand how us ladies can be when we first meet someone but he’s a dad (supposedly) so he doesn’t have the time to always be on the phone with her. We also don’t know how their conversations are when they are on the phone. Vanja seems lovely but even the lovely ones can be crazy when in love.
💯 agree
Well said. I'd love for Vanja to meet someone and be happy but she's definitely doing something wrong.
Well, I can say Vanja is young and beautiful so she needs to slow down a bit before being intimate with guys. She needs to spend enough time and know the intentions, find the chemistry before taking into an intimate level. No rush please Vanja. Vanja you will find a right guy. Be strong and stay positive. Best wishes.
He was a user who just wanted to get his brand on TV
He’s right. She’s needy. Twice a day calls at the beginning of a relationship with a single father is too much.
Oh man I was rooting for you guys !
He changed his mind about a long distance relationship. That’s all.
Ok, so he’s gone, Vanja you really knew nothing about him, he never invited you to his house, while you were there. He’s probably married in the middle of divorce and wants to take the child from his wife. He saw that you were nit ready for a kid and he came with history.
I think you are onto something! He probably was hiding something. And I wondered who was taking care of this baby during his three day stint with Vanja in Croatia and then a 10 day trip to the US? Most people would not leave a 1 year old baby for that long unless its actual mother was there to take care of it.
@@jacquiandp-dog7755if I’m not mistaken he said that the child he’s fostering is too young to be taken from the wet nurse yet, so he will eventually have full time custody of the baby but for now he cannot fully adopt hence the “fostering” … idk though. He scared me tbh
@@neginedia8501 that is interesting! I must have missed that. Yeah there must be more to this story than we are hearing.
@@neginedia8501there is smth shady about him and all that SURROGACY FIRST story
@@neginedia8501Yes, he’s kind of creepy. He’s way too proud of wearing as few clothes as possible. His chest is full of ingrown hairs and bumps from shaving it. I find that yucky 🤢
Josko got his 15 minutes of fame by abusing the emotions of Vanja. What a creep.
He lovebomed Vanja HARD! I feel so bad! It really makes you think it was all lies just to sleep with her 😢
I 100% agree. Any adequate woman will leave if she hears on the second meeting “You are the one, I’m sure” and bla bla
When I was 18 I would listen. Now I would leave right after. Be realistic, use your brain.
He was so good to be true 😢
A cautionary tale. If it sounds too good to be true then it is.
Didn't Bojo dump her for the same reason? At some point she needs to stop blaming everyone else and starts looking at and thinking more about what she's doing wrong to make these guys run away (after tapping it, of course)
She is sweet but …yes, she is extremely needy! She jumps on guys way too fast. It looks obsessive. Unless she gets some help, this will keep happening.
Wow, pretty sure they had daily phonecalls prior to him coming to USA. He didnt complain until after the trip? Did he sleep with her during the USA trip or during the time in Croatia? Cos the sequence of his sudden change in attitude matters
During the US trip.
@RealityxFairytale then it seemed like he wasn't satisfied with her after sleeping with her and wanna dump her.
@@jasg771 he basically got a free stay in the US for lovebombing.
She is going to end up like Darcy you trust people too quickly, fall in love in a second, and I agree too needy
Yea… As an introvert, I can’t do morning and evening calls everyday either. I would definitely run away from someone if they insisted on that. Space is very necessary for me or else it becomes overwhelming.
One day I can talk to you for four hours straight and the next day I can only do 10 minutes. It’s about knowing each other’s limits and boundaries and being ok with it. It’s give and take.
I don't do calls, but I'm communicating with a guy I'm dating multiple times every day. And she said he was the one who was calling her twice a day.
Would you be kind enough to let your beloved one know about your boundaries?
If this was true, he should have told her then. Though we can't be sure he didn't, we've only got her side so far
Texting is fine but not on the phone daily that’s off putting. Once a week is fine but since they’re long distance they should just talk twice a week anymore than that is too much
@@Bunny11344that's your opinion though. Everyone is different. It's important to let the other person know your limits, and if needed, compromise. You can't just say this is what I want and expect the other person to just agree with what YOU want.
He called her needy , pretty much what bozo said she is very clingy and if a man has a child that child needs attention and she will fight him for it, demanding it for herself
Kind of thinking the same… nights are busy for single parents and she wanted him on the phone every night.
@@Abracadabra1111NOBODY is that busy! A phone call can be 5 minutes it doesn’t need to last for hours. Everyone is busy nowadays people have multiple jobs, families, pets, illnesses, troubles, etc etc but we’re still on our phones we have time for RUclips but not a 5 minute call? That’s bs. Josko is the one who told her she’s definitely the one for him and that he wants her to be the mother of his kid. It’s not like Vanja said it first.
What did she expect? It was a hook up from the start
Vanja is a wonderful and beautiful woman and one day meet an amazing guy that's right for her. She'll meet her match. The universe will bless her.🌄
Vanja is such a catch!!! Any guy would be lucky to have her. I'm routing for her, always!❤
Hope you realize you're not the problem... choose guys who don't seem "your type." You'll be surprised Vanja. Good luck.
That's a tough one when we only go by looks and feelings. It's hard to look the other way when we have what we like in front of us.
Personally I thought he was homely. She can do a lot better!
I thought so as well, but I was hesitant to comment about his looks here for fear of being piled on. You can tell that he’s into that shaving his chest hair because he has ingrown hairs and bumps all over the place. I find that yucky. Vanja is beautiful and she sure can do better!
I think he was "a plant" because the producers knew he would bail on her and pull at certain viewers' heartstrings. Albeit, Vanja is a major spaz... However, I don't see where he really had much to offer her or America (besides his need for a babysitter). She finally got laid and has no need to sponsor that fool for a Green Card now! Honestly, I am pleased with how things worked out for her.
Good riddance. Why would she raise some other woman’s child. Josko has too much baggage. He needs to find a woman who also has a child, it would work better for him. And Vanja can find a man to date who is single, never been divorced and without a child…. that’s more on her level, more of a compatible match.
You must despise the concept of adoption or foster parenting. Do you get a thrill when new step-parents drive a wedge between the biological parent and child? You must be surprised when step, foster, or adopted parents eliminate children that it is actually considered a homicide, which is a crime. How can getting rid of garbage be considered a homicide, right?
You realize that a child is just a younger, smaller, vulnerable human being who is dependent on those around them (ideally fully functional adults or extremely responsible teenagers) for their survival. A child is not an old desk, a fraying couch, a broken down vehicle, or last week's newspaper. It is a living breathing entity.
Taking on the responsibility of raising someone else's child may not be for everyone, but why do you have to make it seem like some vile infectious specimen of life? I hope you are never put in such a position. More importantly, I hope no child or adult even, is subjected to your lack of empathy and compassion for fellow humans. Or even just lacking a filter to keep some of your despicable opinions to yourself.
@ lmaoo try reading with comprehension next time. You missed the whole point.
You are totally right. Let them find someone else for there shity past.
Vanja should slow dowm with this hunting man project. She is young and will get her soul mate at the right time.
She is too needy and comes on strong and desperate
Communicate twice a day is needy?
Expecting someone to do the bare minimum is needy?
Women this age come off as needy because they know time is ticking for them
@@jayespi37 Time ticks for everyone and no one at the same time. It is not just for women of a certain age. It ticks long before one is born and continues well after one leaves the Earthly plane.
You can observe time passing for yourself by acquiring your very own timepiece in the form of a watch or a clock. Available in analog or digital. The movement of the sun and the angles of the shadows it casts is also demonstrative of time passing by.
Isn't it glorious to live in an age when time ticks for all and does not discriminate based on gender, race, creed, etc. Time is universal. Time and space are the fourth dimension. #chronos
She is also pushy.
You’ll find your person don’t worry Vanja find a man in America
That sucks. I hope she finds someone amazing cause she is!!
oh man , i was really rooting for them.
Reality of the situation was realized. You have to admit, Vanja is pretty needy and very demanding about all situations.
That was really cruel(
Who expected this relationship to last😢😢😢😢😅😅
Came as a complete shock? To who besides Vanja?
Dating is scary
She was too needy scared him off
He got what he wanted and bounced
I hope she finds the right man❤
I saw a clip where he talks to her and states he misses her but finding childcare was hard when he visited he relied on his parents and the kid cried the whole time he was gone and that apparently Vanja talked about how she didn’t know how she felt about a kid running around her house. They talk and vanja states she’s upset they didn’t talk this out and he made a choice for the both of them and he said “no I made a choice for what was best for my kid” I see both sides…
Idk why everyone is saying he is now a bad person cause he break up like why? Everyone is free to do whwt they want, he was bad person if he draged this relationship knowing it will never work out
Vanja, you are an amazing woman. If I was a man I would treat you better. I'm so sorry you haven't had the best of luck with men. Don't give up. Your very strong, beautiful and independent. Your perfect match will come to you when you least expect. Take care of you right now.
This daughter. SMH.
Just because he was "there for you" doesn't mean he's not a sexual predator.
She needs to heal‼️Vanja has to stop accepting any & everything cause it makes you feel good…Love yourself
She probably told him she doesn’t want to give up her independent woman 4 jobs lifestyle in the US. That’s the only reason he said that she doesn’t have motherly instincts. He wants her to move to his country.
Vagay missing her ex's child is one of the reasons men don't wanna date single moms
They get attached too. Yet, if you break up you have no rights to ever even see the child again
i sent a text that said good morning. the person i had been dating never responded. after months of silence i finally realized i was single. at least josko freed her to move on instead of ghosting her.
Vanja and her cousin are pretty ❤ bless her! I really like Vanja she will get her happily ever after… she’s genuine and means well by ppl! Keep ur head up sweetie ❤ u got this
He played her and I don't believe he has a child.
The guy just recently had a break up and a young baby. He might have realized that starting a new relationship right away was probably not a good idea. Regardless, she dodged a bullet.
SHE EXPECTED TOO MUCH....and came on too strong!!!
When is the entire episode out?
I knew it...looked way too good to be true,, the whole thing they had was looked almost too scripted- noone can keep the mask on for too long, eventually it'll fall off revealing the real you.
Feel bad for Vanja😢she's been rejected so many times for reasons that are very hurtful...I hope she finds the love she truly deserves...
I knew he was a BSer the minute he opened his mouth! He just says the things girls , women want to hear but really ? I love you and you are the one, one the first date? Come on! Player all over! Maybe I would have believed him when I was 18 not in my late forties 😂
She scared him off. Waaaay too desperate. Not his fault.
Maybe he judged her belly dancing career?
This is why you can stop watching romantic comedies. They are the stupidest genre of movie that ever existed. I personally like Gothic horror like crimson peak or sleepy hollow. But back to my point. Men usually follow the rule not exception. I'm pretty close with my father and he's transparent. I'm wondering if these women don't have discussions with their fathers. If a man tells you that you are the one on the first couple of dates most likely he is trying to get into your pants. Regardless if he is a family man or not. And my ex-husband actually did say this the first few dates but hey look how that turned out. And he was the exception not the rule. Even if a guy does mean it you can let him prove it. If you give him what he wants right away you're going to end up getting hurt unless you truly don't take it seriously then by all means be a sess and the city samantha. But most women are not Samanthas and are lying to themselves in my experience as a spiritual reader who gets these kinds of complaints all the time.
Haha vanja got what she wanted. She told him she couldn't see herself as a mother. Duhhh? What does she expect?
That's why you don't get intimate right away...
Facts
She didn't, he played the long game.
Why date abroad when you are on vacation? Is it difficult to find a man where you live?
I always ask myself the same question. Why date someone so far away... or in jail?