The funniest part of the whole "dies by forgetting to close the door" thing is that one Snikch's scarce stories in the lore is him killing a wizard inside a room locked from the inside while leaving no signs of entry or exit. The writer could have literally just had him show up inside the room to shank Thorgrim while making no mention of leaving the door open and it would have been less stupid.
Exactly, if you're going to use the deadliest assassin in the setting to kill one of the most influential kings in the setting then have them do some Impossible assassination stuff. It seems so obvious though are we just hindsight 20/20? No I guess everyone recognized how bad the end times were but the writers
@@partydean17 tbh the writers aren't much to blame here, they were mostly on stupid tight deadlines and not given time to actually sort things out, writers forgot to do anything with half the ork characters because they flat out didn't have time to get passed the rough draft phases of planning before making the final version, that is entirely on the money men
@@Shynder1 "New" in the sense it's End Times (Boo now please thank you). Basically the world was ending, and Thorgrim, while fleeing a hold, forgot to close a door behind him, thus getting him killed by Snikch (Bestest Skaven assassin).
@@tezla6332it's so funny that they specified the door thing because ome of the most famous things about the assassin is killing a mage in his tower despite there being no signs of how he got in, they made the opposite of a reference to that
@@bladeranne5005 Yeah like he could have done some Sneaky Snikch Shit (tm) and got through the door anyway. I'm more mad about the fact that Thorgrims armor was specifically enchanted against assassins, like that was stated as a thing his armor was very good against, and it just, wasn't brought up when he got killed. Maybe you could argue Snikch is just that good but them not referencing the enchantments at all leads me to believe they just forgot, especially because of how much other shit they forgot while writing that headache of an ending.
@@grimnir8872apples and oranges, the dwarfs are right in the empire's doorstep living in the mountains that surround it. The high elves have to cross an ocean to trade with the empire. Even so the elves in marienburg have special privileges because of all the trade they bring.
Honestly, I feel like they only cared because 1) Its was an elf who said that2) he was condesending and avoiding the question 3) short could be seen as kinda of a racist, specially coming from an elf of all things
It should be noted that the Elves are world-famous for their political acumen. There’s a reason they have the “Elvin Influence” mechanic. So for an Elf to use “Shortsightedness” when “Nearsightedness” was right there as an alternative phrase could (In a Dwarf’s eyes) only be deliberate.
Victor and Kruber are both Stormcasts Kerrillian is wandering around the forests of the mortal realms. Bardin is an engineer for the Duardin Sienna is a fire wizard again. She's living a comfortable life until she's needed. One day they'll meet again.
@@riokollivier Personally, for Vermintide 3, I hope they take us to a Dwarf hold like Karak Varn or even Eight Peaks. For now, though, I'm content to keep buying DLC for Vermintidr 2.
If this is an April fools video pancreas, you are swiftly going into the book of grudges Edit: it is not a prank, therefore pancreas has saved himself from going into the book of grudges
Plot twist: Being a stubborn dwarf with a raging case of ODD, Thorgrim didn't close the door because someone told him "Don't forget to close the door on the way out."
I like how alien dwarves in warhammer feel. They have a completely different mind and body from humanity. Normal functions and actions are absurd or impossible for opposite race.
@@atanaspetkov580 i know right its a bit weird tho on a serious note id love a video on pretty much any of the rat bastards but it needs the NYC rat in it to be complete
@@HateradeConsumer after what Queek did in Karak Eight Peaks? He had his moment to shine, this was Thorgrim's moment but since GW cant let the Rat fans lose for 5 minutes they had to kill Thorgrim in a stupid way to compensate, its not like teh skavens had already destroyed half the factions in the world and every single Karak except Karaz a Karak, the skavens need more protagonism
@@asturias0267 Painfully true. It's SO CLOSE to being awesome, but the idea of permadeath WITHOUT a true rougelike game loop really sucks because I just want to experience the story without just being massively punished for trying to figure out the mysteries of the world. It's really great RPG writing without the linearity that makes it work.
Top 3 High Kings: 1. Gotrek Starbreaker- High King during the War of Vengeance, bodied the Phoenix King and took his crown as recompense for the war. 2. Thorgrim Grudgebearer- Beginner of the Age of Reckoning, see video above. 3. Kurgan Ironbeard- High King during the foundation of the Empire of Man, best bud of Sigmar Heldenhammer
I'm not sure about Gotrek due to War Of Vengeanace destructive consequenses for dwarfs, but this event was caused by imcompetece of Phoenix King so i can agree for that list
@@Malachii_186plus he was really level headed in the lead up to the war, most dwarfs wanted to go to war with the elves for the raiding of trade caravans, but starbreaker sent diplomats instead, If Caldor wasn’t an incompetent man child and told them of the civil war, then the dwarfs would redirect their grudges to the dark elves and the high elves would have gained a new ally
There needs to be more moments in fiction where a character is utterly dominating their enemy while simply listing off every crime they've committed. The only other example of this I can think of is the fight between Oberyn and The Mountain in GoT and just like thorgrim, they both died immediately after their badass moment in the most pathetic way possible.
Oh yeah, when they groom Thorgrim, it's "for the better future of dwarfkind" and "appropriate method to educate the future high king." But when I do it, it's a "crime against humanity", and "should leave the server immediately."
The entire end times can be summed up with GW being like "cool story, but we haven't got time kill them now'" Same thing happened with my boy Eltharion, gave him some of the coolest and most badass moments like when he absolutely bodied Mannfred. Then GW were like "know what would be cool, if just died of old age all of a sudden"... Every time I think of End Times I feel a hernia forming.
Good thing Thorgrim doesn't know where the guy responsible for writing the End Times lives, otherwise that guy would be so dead that not even Nagash can drag him back from the dead.
I'm playing Thorgrim's faction in Total War as I watched this. I always liked him but never knew how much of a badass he was, now I like him even more.
It's going to be weird having younger Thorgrim involved in The Old World with his uncle as the High King. But also incredibly exciting. Also yeah, his kind of generalized bonuses make it hard for him to stand out in Total War when he's compared to Ungrim's Slayer buffs or Thorek's Quarrelers of mass destruction.
Thorgrim probably won’t show up in AoS for the simple reason that his narrative role of the faction unifier is occupied by Grombrindal. On the upside though, he’s probably in the Hall of Gazul, one of the only underworlds that Nagash was unable to take, which IIRC is a feat that’s only Ossia could claim before Katakros was hired bu Nagash, so he’s probably one of the few souls to actually be resting in peace.
@@TCStink3 Tyros Firemane, a Pyromancer from the same stormhost as Balthas Arum (Balthasar Gelt) has an extremely similar name, meaning that odds are, he’s just Thyrus Gormann after being reforged. So either he’s a completely unrelated character who just so happens to be extremely similar to Gormann, or he actually is just Gormann.
I’m not sure if Tyrion winning a battle at Black Fire Pass, Thorgrim would either befriend him and welcome to the club or declare total war for daring to trying to one up the dawi and their umgi allies
12:24 Ah, the good old days of 'grudge bar', frantically striking out the grudges for every single raid/s-word/razing the hold/stealing bugman's drink/looking funny at any dwarf/killing a dwarf/spilling dwarf's beer/forgetting to pay up 20 coins to a dwarf to not get minus relations with other dwarves and not anger the longbeards in WH I and II. I really loved the loreful quest descriptions for every grudge
I like playing as the Dwarfs, and I like playing as Thorgrim. His scenes in his quests battles are fun too! Too bad end times did him dirty (and in this instance, Belegar too, that guy deserved a final win). That said, now that the Chaos Dwarves are coming, I have a feeling that Thorgrim's starting position and game evolution are going to get even more complex. You get rid of the orcs, the Dawi-Zharr come charging in while you have to deal with Vlad getting his scruffy hands interested in going south.
Warhammer dwarfs are my favourite in the franchise their tenacity, personality and humor just make them may favourite fantasy race. Orks are a close second but love these guys
I bought my dwarf book one rainy evening when I was 12 back in 93. I wore that thing out and the High King, next to F&G of course, was my absolute favorite character. There was this cool story in there where his army was fighting skaven. The throne bearers were carrying Thorgrim in to the thick of the fighting and were getting chewed up by skaven blades. The throne healed them and they began hacking and carving their way through again. I just completely fell in love at that moment. I wanted that model SO BAD but all I had were about ten troll slayers and my dwarf book. Never really could affor WHFB. Thank sigmar for Total War though. It feels so good to see the world I loved back then come to full life. I really don't think I'll ever get tired of this game and it has to be the absolute BEST videogame adaptation of the setting without a doubt. edit: 4:28 Love the dwarf fortress pic. My second favorite dwarf iteration beside the WHFB.
Its one of the UK news favorite buzzwords. You're better off not caring. Then again, the word "based" seems to have basically fallen out of the public lexicon despite being in a Time magazine headline in the 1920s, only to find renewed popularity on certain underwater basketweaving forums.
The High King Thorgrim! The one true leader of the Dwarfs and the one to write every grudge from the book gone. Dude is a chad, and the End Times did him dirty. He is super awesome and I'm glad you did a video on him. Your simping for Elves however is getting you a few spots in the book. And trust me, it's not going to be a short list of spots you have in the book. Here's a short video for you guys to enjoy about the relationship between Thorgrim and Teclis. ruclips.net/video/TlryJaay16c/видео.html
The most infuriating thing about thorgrims assassination is they did nothing interesting with it. They took a master assassin who’s WHOLE THING is murdering people silently without notice and just had him go through a door and shank the guy. No epic battle where their ability eventually wears him down, just OOPS I forgot to close the dooooor! And now one of the most influential characters is dead. Way to go end times writers! Way to go.
I hope the Dwarven Holds are one of the first ranges released for TOW. I need another dwarf army to compliment my Leagues of Votann and my Kharadron Overlords.
Peppa pig: *sad* “Daddy.” Peppa’s dad: “What’s wrong, Peppa?” Peppa Pig: “They said I couldn’t go on any rides at the fair.” Peppa’s dad: “And why is that?” Peppa Pig: “They said I was too short” Peppa’s Dad: *Thorgrim voice* “SHORT!?” *grabs book of grudges and an axe and leaves the house* Peppa Pig: *Very confused*
Fun Fact: when Thorgrim was killed he did have an entire group of bodygaurds with him. These same bodygaurds would go on to work security at a political rally in Pennsylvania many years later.
I have a dwarf character I like to run for low moral campaigns, he’s a traveling dwarf who specializes in hair keep. If you find him he will make your beards, eyebrows, unibrow, hair, anything in pristine condition, he don’t charge much for it no matter the setting he charges 1 gold per customer. And there’s a buff I give to each player who received the treatment “Bogwon’s Blessing” increasing fortitude against negative affects and making you more resistant to fatigue.
Long have I waited for the pointy eared simp to speak of my people, and for him to speak so charitably. Another grudge has been struck from the book. Good content.
I could have sworn that in daemonslayer it is specifically said that malakai kept the spirit of grungi hidden from most dwarves due to his previous failed ships
Because of Gotrek he had introduced me to the Glory of the Dwarves. And yes, Slayers are awesome and I just got to the point in Vampireslayer where you know who is with Vlad Wannabe. No spoilers for those who wanna hear or read the books!
Ok, let's clear up the mountain of misunderstandings about Thorgrims death; 1) His armour was indeed superb at stopping stabs, it easily repelled an earlier assassination attempt. But these were new triple warpforge warpstone daggers made in the Horned Rats own real for this purpose alone. This is stated literally in the text. 2) Thorgrim never were the Incarnat of Metal, the Wind bound itself to the High Throne and left as the Rune of Eternity broke in the final battle. So Thorgrim had no power up anymore. 3) The Deathmaster was helped in climbing the full hight of Everpeak itself to hid near the Personal Mountainpeak balcony of the High King. This was only possible by the aid of a Verminlord. This room and balcony was exclusively known to the High King, they always came there to mourn alone, so Thorgrim had no guards. The famous door was the Door back down into the Mountain Fortress, The Deathmaster used Thorgrims death to summon an army, and they infiltrated the Mountain through that door. Thorgrim didn't die, because he left that door open! The Mountain fell because he didn't think to close it immediately after arriving in the chamber. Hope this clears things up!
Thank you exactly! I hated his death but it isn't half as bad as this video implies. He gets killed as he walks out onto the balcony, not because he left the door open.
The whole issue of Thorgrim death is more an issue of Snitch, if you ask me. That character has no depths (in warhammer, so that's saying something), no flaws, no nothing, is not even a character, it's literally a plot device to kill people, and they used it to kill Thorgrim, so off course it would be infuriating no matter what, cause Snitch it's not a character. "Assassinated by Snitch" has the same lore significance as saying that a rock fallen on the head of Thorgrim and murdered him.
Just discovered your channel and these videos are great summaries of lore! I was wondering: have you ever considered making a video on Warhammer: Underworlds? I ask partially because it's my favorite Warhammer game, but also because the lore and factions could be fun to dive into.
To clear some things up about the end times part: Thorgrim had the ancestor ruins on him but they had faded and couldn’t protect him after the last battle he fought. Most of the ruins where tied to his Throne and axe. The lore of metal was tied to his throne or armour in the book and the like the ancestor ruins once it was damaged it started not working as well which was kind of how Thorgrim was wounded in the battle previous to the assassination. Another point is that Thorgrim had been wounded and was struggling to climb stairs and even breath. He had gone to the sacred hall of kings where only he was allowed to visit hence him not having guards. The whole “leaving the back door open” thing is kind of dramatized where the balcony he was looking over was supposed to be invisible thanks to concealing runes. However the skaven had spied this place out via Verminlord magic and send the Deathmaster to wait for days until Thorgrim would be vulnerable. So while you could tldr it into “oops I left the door open” Thorgrim was insanely tired and already fading in and out of consciousness from his wounds. The Deathmaster did not slip out after beheading the King however and stayed around to draw ruins to summon something or teleport maybe… I can’t remember which.
I see your "peppa pig's dad/Thorgrim's dad" comparison and raise you "the voice actor for Littlefoot in the first Land before Time is the same kid that played Hob in Robocop 2" once you can get past that one nothing shocks you anymore
Dawi: THAT GOES IN THE BOOK! 😡 Dawi-Zharr: We have looked over your Resume and we have decided to accept you as an Unpaid Intern. See ya tomorrow for a full non-stop 24/7 labor session🙂
15:13 “why are you even here??” Rat-friend just wanted to hear-listen to glorious tale of Sneek-warrior Snikch killing hated-cursed Shortling! Glory to the Ratkin, yes-yes!!
A behaviour you see in birds is preening, picking fleas and other parasites off themselves with their beaks. There are parts of a bird which it's beak can't reach. For this reason, many species of birds will often clean socially. One bird will preen one's hard to reach parts and then receiving the same treatment. The thing is that such activity is not free. If nothing else it takes time. As such, there is a potential for abuse, where a bird indicates that it would accept a preening, gets preened and does not reciprocate. Imagine there is two types of otherwise identical birds called Chumps and Cheaters. They differ in that the Chump will preen any bird that comes it's way. The Cheater will receive a preening, but won't provide one. If a Cheater meets a Cheater, they won't do anything for each other. But if a Cheater meets a Chump, the Chump will preen the Cheater and the Cheater will then leave. The Chump has wasted time and effort while the Cheater has an advantage. In general this means that eventually the Cheaters will outbreed the Chumps and replace them. But when the Chumps go extinct, the Cheaters will suffer since there are no Chumps to Preen them. For this reason, a viable strategy is that of the Grudger. The Grudger will preen other birds but if a bird refuses to reciprocate it will never preen that bird again. The Grudgers in this case will soon out-compete both Cheaters and Chumps. A test of such strategies was formulated in the 1980s, in which a set of strategies would play each other over numerous rounds of the Prisoner's Dilemma game (two people can either cooperate or defect, if both cooperate they get each get 4, if one defects and the other cooperates the defector gets 6 and cooperator gets 1, if both defect they both get 2). This lead people to formulate a variety of strategies, some of which were nasty and exploitative and would often defect. The Grudger strategy (cooperate at first with someone, but only defect afterwards) was deployed, but was far from the most effective. The really nasty exploitative strategies were consistently in the bottom. The most effective strategy was Tit for Tat: start cooperating and mimic what they do the next round. These studies and the principles of Game Theory out lie the evolution of Social and Moral behavior.
No one read the video chapters
bold of you to assume your viewers can read
Got it
I did!
mmm that’s going in the book
Damn that's pretty grim.
If this is just ten hours of Thorgrim saying “SHORT!?” Pancreas is getting slapped with the book
But the book has thousands of volumes, its like a pocket version of the Codex Astartes. You could use it to build a sturdy bunker.
@@KaiserAfini Comparing the Great Book of Grudges to Gorillaman's abomination of an insult to comedy?! THAT'S A GRUDGIN'!
@@KaiserAfini THIS IS GOING IN THE BOOK!
@@KaiserAfini POCKET VERSION ALLUDES TO SHORTNESS!
This guy really got some "Grooming" brainrot going on. That rant came out of absolutely nowhere
The funniest part of the whole "dies by forgetting to close the door" thing is that one Snikch's scarce stories in the lore is him killing a wizard inside a room locked from the inside while leaving no signs of entry or exit. The writer could have literally just had him show up inside the room to shank Thorgrim while making no mention of leaving the door open and it would have been less stupid.
Exactly, if you're going to use the deadliest assassin in the setting to kill one of the most influential kings in the setting then have them do some Impossible assassination stuff.
It seems so obvious though are we just hindsight 20/20?
No I guess everyone recognized how bad the end times were but the writers
@@partydean17 tbh the writers aren't much to blame here, they were mostly on stupid tight deadlines and not given time to actually sort things out, writers forgot to do anything with half the ork characters because they flat out didn't have time to get passed the rough draft phases of planning before making the final version, that is entirely on the money men
@@calebbarnhouse496 Yup. To add to that, the money men rarely care about anything that is being worked on and shorted other then… well.. MONEY
I still wonder if Matt Ward wrote that one. B/
@@Fallout3131short???
It’s not a April Fools joke. Congrats Pancreas, you escape the book
FOR NOW!
Just kiddin’. He was already there.
Look at the video chapters in description.
He IS going into the book. Again.
Pancreas really said “We makin’ it out the book with this one”
This thorgrim seems like a cool and intresting character with tons of potential
Sure hope he doesn't forget to close a door behind him
Is it some new lore can I get spoilers?
@@Shynder1 it's end times lore, so not really new and it's one of the dumbest fucking things ever written in warhammer
@@Shynder1 "New" in the sense it's End Times (Boo now please thank you). Basically the world was ending, and Thorgrim, while fleeing a hold, forgot to close a door behind him, thus getting him killed by Snikch (Bestest Skaven assassin).
@@tezla6332it's so funny that they specified the door thing because ome of the most famous things about the assassin is killing a mage in his tower despite there being no signs of how he got in, they made the opposite of a reference to that
@@bladeranne5005 Yeah like he could have done some Sneaky Snikch Shit (tm) and got through the door anyway. I'm more mad about the fact that Thorgrims armor was specifically enchanted against assassins, like that was stated as a thing his armor was very good against, and it just, wasn't brought up when he got killed. Maybe you could argue Snikch is just that good but them not referencing the enchantments at all leads me to believe they just forgot, especially because of how much other shit they forgot while writing that headache of an ending.
The guy who pretty much knows every grudge in the great book by memory forgets to close a door behind him, sure end times, you do you.
Well obviously the door isn't a grudge, no room in his memory.
Thorgrim freaking out about "short" made me realize how hilariously obnoxious dealing with Dwarfs must be.
Considering the Empire's trade relations, less obnoxious than dealing with High Elves.
Obnoxious?! That's going in the book.
@@grimnir8872apples and oranges, the dwarfs are right in the empire's doorstep living in the mountains that surround it. The high elves have to cross an ocean to trade with the empire. Even so the elves in marienburg have special privileges because of all the trade they bring.
Honestly, I feel like they only cared because 1) Its was an elf who said that2) he was condesending and avoiding the question 3) short could be seen as kinda of a racist, specially coming from an elf of all things
It should be noted that the Elves are world-famous for their political acumen. There’s a reason they have the “Elvin Influence” mechanic. So for an Elf to use “Shortsightedness” when “Nearsightedness” was right there as an alternative phrase could (In a Dwarf’s eyes) only be deliberate.
Been waiting on this episode for a while now, can't wait to see Pancreas' take on the vertically challenged
That's a grudgin' right there.
No alliance, you're goin in the book.
That's goin in the book
SHORT?!
9:20 damn straight. You cannot convince me the Ubersreik 5 aren't all in Age of Sigmar and destined to kick ass together again
Vermintide 3, Vermintide 3, Vermintide 3, VERMINTIDE 3!!!
Even the everchosen is nothing against the powers of friendship.
Remember how Chewbacca died.
Victor and Kruber are both Stormcasts
Kerrillian is wandering around the forests of the mortal realms.
Bardin is an engineer for the Duardin
Sienna is a fire wizard again. She's living a comfortable life until she's needed.
One day they'll meet again.
@@riokollivier
Personally, for Vermintide 3, I hope they take us to a Dwarf hold like Karak Varn or even Eight Peaks.
For now, though, I'm content to keep buying DLC for Vermintidr 2.
If this is an April fools video pancreas, you are swiftly going into the book of grudges
Edit: it is not a prank, therefore pancreas has saved himself from going into the book of grudges
ALRIGHT THATS GOING IN THE BOOK
@@Voltboy1449 *THAT’S GOING IN THE BOOK*
@@jarlathquinn2628 HE MADE A SHORT JOKE INTO THE BOOK
This is a spoiler, it's going in the book.
Dare I'd say he's earned a few strikes off of the book for this, making a positive video on the Dawi
Plot twist: Being a stubborn dwarf with a raging case of ODD, Thorgrim didn't close the door because someone told him "Don't forget to close the door on the way out."
ODD?
finally the elf lover has come to his senses and is making a video of the best race in warhammer
I like how alien dwarves in warhammer feel. They have a completely different mind and body from humanity. Normal functions and actions are absurd or impossible for opposite race.
I dont know man i see a lack of scales and teeth
@@dozergames2395 they also lack fur, whiskers, and verbal ticks.
@@atanaspetkov580 Where is the big fat guts, though?
@@atanaspetkov580 i know right its a bit weird
tho on a serious note id love a video on pretty much any of the rat bastards but it needs the NYC rat in it to be complete
Queek's death is so good to read, sadly GW had to please the Great Horned Rat in its special place by killing Thorgrim seconds later
@@HateradeConsumer after what Queek did in Karak Eight Peaks? He had his moment to shine, this was Thorgrim's moment but since GW cant let the Rat fans lose for 5 minutes they had to kill Thorgrim in a stupid way to compensate, its not like teh skavens had already destroyed half the factions in the world and every single Karak except Karaz a Karak, the skavens need more protagonism
@@HateradeConsumer He literally just killed Belegar before this you rat horse furry thing.
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar it’s because we are the master-ruler race
skaven players drink piss @@CEOofAutism
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar thorgrimms death would have been so much better if Snikch was actually written properly by not having a door opened
I just noticed how you named the chapter titles, I love it
As a massive dwarf lover I absolutely cannot wait for this sure to be masterpiece
Please never stop using the Sunless Seas OST, it fills me with joy every time I hear the Wolfstack Docks theme during a video.
I love me some Sunless Seas/Skies. Fallen London is a cool concept, but I'm not a fan of the game structure.
@@asturias0267 Painfully true. It's SO CLOSE to being awesome, but the idea of permadeath WITHOUT a true rougelike game loop really sucks because I just want to experience the story without just being massively punished for trying to figure out the mysteries of the world. It's really great RPG writing without the linearity that makes it work.
Top 3 High Kings:
1. Gotrek Starbreaker- High King during the War of Vengeance, bodied the Phoenix King and took his crown as recompense for the war.
2. Thorgrim Grudgebearer- Beginner of the Age of Reckoning, see video above.
3. Kurgan Ironbeard- High King during the foundation of the Empire of Man, best bud of Sigmar Heldenhammer
I'm not sure about Gotrek due to War Of Vengeanace destructive consequenses for dwarfs, but this event was caused by imcompetece of Phoenix King so i can agree for that list
@@Malachii_186plus he was really level headed in the lead up to the war, most dwarfs wanted to go to war with the elves for the raiding of trade caravans, but starbreaker sent diplomats instead, If Caldor wasn’t an incompetent man child and told them of the civil war, then the dwarfs would redirect their grudges to the dark elves and the high elves would have gained a new ally
There needs to be more moments in fiction where a character is utterly dominating their enemy while simply listing off every crime they've committed.
The only other example of this I can think of is the fight between Oberyn and The Mountain in GoT and just like thorgrim, they both died immediately after their badass moment in the most pathetic way possible.
What's GoT
@@lordgrub12345Game of Thrones
Atleast Thorgrim managed to kill the guy he was shittalking though.
@@nikosaurus4238
Technically, Oberyn killed the Mountain too. It just took a little longer.
For this day, I believe they only killed Oberyn for shock value and nothing else.
Oh yeah, when they groom Thorgrim, it's "for the better future of dwarfkind" and "appropriate method to educate the future high king." But when I do it, it's a "crime against humanity", and "should leave the server immediately."
That one’s goin in The Book…
That's a grooge
A joke!? THIS IS GOING IN THE BOOK!
That’s going…in the _FUCKING_ *_BOOK_*
The entire end times can be summed up with GW being like "cool story, but we haven't got time kill them now'"
Same thing happened with my boy Eltharion, gave him some of the coolest and most badass moments like when he absolutely bodied Mannfred. Then GW were like "know what would be cool, if just died of old age all of a sudden"...
Every time I think of End Times I feel a hernia forming.
Thorgrim looking at the Book of Grudges “This may be a Tall order, but I’ll wipe away all of the Grudges in this”
Good thing Thorgrim doesn't know where the guy responsible for writing the End Times lives, otherwise that guy would be so dead that not even Nagash can drag him back from the dead.
I'm playing Thorgrim's faction in Total War as I watched this. I always liked him but never knew how much of a badass he was, now I like him even more.
It's going to be weird having younger Thorgrim involved in The Old World with his uncle as the High King. But also incredibly exciting. Also yeah, his kind of generalized bonuses make it hard for him to stand out in Total War when he's compared to Ungrim's Slayer buffs or Thorek's Quarrelers of mass destruction.
Thorgrim probably won’t show up in AoS for the simple reason that his narrative role of the faction unifier is occupied by Grombrindal. On the upside though, he’s probably in the Hall of Gazul, one of the only underworlds that Nagash was unable to take, which IIRC is a feat that’s only Ossia could claim before Katakros was hired bu Nagash, so he’s probably one of the few souls to actually be resting in peace.
Also he's dead. That can't help.
@@sic6603 Being dead didn’t stop Kroak, Gelt, Thyrus Gormann, Karl Franz, Eltharion, Drycha or any of the major Mortarchs besides Vlad and Krell
@@cthulhubecausewhynot1182 Or Grombrindal, the White Dwarf for that matter
@@cthulhubecausewhynot1182wait, how did Thyrus Gormann return in AoS?
@@TCStink3 Tyros Firemane, a Pyromancer from the same stormhost as Balthas Arum (Balthasar Gelt) has an extremely similar name, meaning that odds are, he’s just Thyrus Gormann after being reforged. So either he’s a completely unrelated character who just so happens to be extremely similar to Gormann, or he actually is just Gormann.
I’m not sure if Tyrion winning a battle at Black Fire Pass, Thorgrim would either befriend him and welcome to the club or declare total war for daring to trying to one up the dawi and their umgi allies
Yes.
12:24 Ah, the good old days of 'grudge bar', frantically striking out the grudges for every single raid/s-word/razing the hold/stealing bugman's drink/looking funny at any dwarf/killing a dwarf/spilling dwarf's beer/forgetting to pay up 20 coins to a dwarf to not get minus relations with other dwarves and not anger the longbeards in WH I and II. I really loved the loreful quest descriptions for every grudge
I like playing as the Dwarfs, and I like playing as Thorgrim. His scenes in his quests battles are fun too! Too bad end times did him dirty (and in this instance, Belegar too, that guy deserved a final win). That said, now that the Chaos Dwarves are coming, I have a feeling that Thorgrim's starting position and game evolution are going to get even more complex. You get rid of the orcs, the Dawi-Zharr come charging in while you have to deal with Vlad getting his scruffy hands interested in going south.
Queek may have killed Belegar, but Belegar made Queek look like a punk ass in front of his own bodyguard before dying, that's a win in my book.
@@christophersmith8848 That's a win in THE book
Brothers and sisters , prepare yer books of grudges,we gonna need it for this vid
Warhammer dwarfs are my favourite in the franchise their tenacity, personality and humor just make them may favourite fantasy race. Orks are a close second but love these guys
Thorgrim Grudgbearer: THAT'S IT, THAT GOES STRAIGHT IN THE FUCKING BOOK, YOU KNIFE-EAR
would love a video dedicated to Queek, he was and is my favorite character. Was so sad when the stunty king broke his neck like a celery stick.
If this be a April Fools video Knife ear lover, THIS BE GOING STRAIGHT TO THE BOOK!
I bought my dwarf book one rainy evening when I was 12 back in 93. I wore that thing out and the High King, next to F&G of course, was my absolute favorite character. There was this cool story in there where his army was fighting skaven. The throne bearers were carrying Thorgrim in to the thick of the fighting and were getting chewed up by skaven blades. The throne healed them and they began hacking and carving their way through again. I just completely fell in love at that moment. I wanted that model SO BAD but all I had were about ten troll slayers and my dwarf book. Never really could affor WHFB. Thank sigmar for Total War though. It feels so good to see the world I loved back then come to full life. I really don't think I'll ever get tired of this game and it has to be the absolute BEST videogame adaptation of the setting without a doubt. edit: 4:28 Love the dwarf fortress pic. My second favorite dwarf iteration beside the WHFB.
“I just know my brain is full of crap and this is not helping it” spoken like a true wutelgi lover
THAT’S GOING IN THE FUCKING BOOK!!!
When you said groomed, i did think prepared for a position of power, but i guess i had to learn something new today.
Its one of the UK news favorite buzzwords. You're better off not caring.
Then again, the word "based" seems to have basically fallen out of the public lexicon despite being in a Time magazine headline in the 1920s, only to find renewed popularity on certain underwater basketweaving forums.
The High King Thorgrim! The one true leader of the Dwarfs and the one to write every grudge from the book gone.
Dude is a chad, and the End Times did him dirty. He is super awesome and I'm glad you did a video on him. Your simping for Elves however is getting you a few spots in the book. And trust me, it's not going to be a short list of spots you have in the book.
Here's a short video for you guys to enjoy about the relationship between Thorgrim and Teclis.
ruclips.net/video/TlryJaay16c/видео.html
Your deadpan coverage of Warhammer fantasy single-handedly got me into Warhammer fantasy. Damn you.
The most infuriating thing about thorgrims assassination is they did nothing interesting with it. They took a master assassin who’s WHOLE THING is murdering people silently without notice and just had him go through a door and shank the guy. No epic battle where their ability eventually wears him down, just OOPS I forgot to close the dooooor! And now one of the most influential characters is dead. Way to go end times writers! Way to go.
You are one of the better lore youtubers out there. Never get bored of your videos.
11:23 SETTRAA DOES NOT SERVEEE, HEEE RULES
Sniktch whistling Dixie had me rolling. I wish I was-was in the land-place of cotton !
Dwarves don't forget.
Thorgrim lives.
the "end times" is heresy.
'Sells entire plantes'... now I'm just picturing Frieza in a flowershop au, damn you! 😂😂
Thorogrim was such a high king, when he was tripping he made everybody feel his experiences as well and floating through the mountain fortresses.
The great book of grudges remains full
I can not wait for this video any longer, my patience is short.
I hope the Dwarven Holds are one of the first ranges released for TOW. I need another dwarf army to compliment my Leagues of Votann and my Kharadron Overlords.
Pig-kin Peppa: Makes fun of her old man.
Dad: “That’s a grudgin’! 10 spankin’s for you, Peppa!”
High king this is not the time for shortsightedness
SHORT?!
Peppa pig: *sad* “Daddy.”
Peppa’s dad: “What’s wrong, Peppa?”
Peppa Pig: “They said I couldn’t go on any rides at the fair.”
Peppa’s dad: “And why is that?”
Peppa Pig: “They said I was too short”
Peppa’s Dad: *Thorgrim voice* “SHORT!?” *grabs book of grudges and an axe and leaves the house*
Peppa Pig: *Very confused*
Honest. Funny. Refreshing. That is why i like your vids, dude.
Kazarak-Kasakin Ha!!
Honor to the Dawi!!!
Love this. Thanks man.
Fun Fact: when Thorgrim was killed he did have an entire group of bodygaurds with him. These same bodygaurds would go on to work security at a political rally in Pennsylvania many years later.
A grudge has been struck from the book for this Elgi, don’t make me go back on this.
LETS ROCK AND STONE!!!
I can just imagine Thorgrim splitting green skin skulls while yelling for ink to wet his quill lmao
Doesn't need to, Thorgrim deadass uses his blood as ink for the book, because he's metal as fuck
I have a dwarf character I like to run for low moral campaigns, he’s a traveling dwarf who specializes in hair keep. If you find him he will make your beards, eyebrows, unibrow, hair, anything in pristine condition, he don’t charge much for it no matter the setting he charges 1 gold per customer. And there’s a buff I give to each player who received the treatment “Bogwon’s Blessing” increasing fortitude against negative affects and making you more resistant to fatigue.
I'll let that Dwarf groom me and my children any day of the week
wait-
This was a really good nine-minute and twelve-second long video
Long have I waited for the pointy eared simp to speak of my people, and for him to speak so charitably. Another grudge has been struck from the book.
Good content.
Finally, one of the many dwarfs in need of a video from Pancreas. Good work Dawri.
you know i was surprised how good this was. I was expecting "cool but heard about dwarfs before". Great work.
One of the rawest and most badass lines in Warhammer: "Imma clean the book of grudges fam!"
Crazy bastard, I'm following him 'till the end.
I could have sworn that in daemonslayer it is specifically said that malakai kept the spirit of grungi hidden from most dwarves due to his previous failed ships
I... actually immediately thought of "groomed to rule" you're the one who reminded me of the other meaning
Wow that was a beautiful rush of nostalgia when I heard Rise of Nations music.
Because of Gotrek he had introduced me to the Glory of the Dwarves. And yes, Slayers are awesome and I just got to the point in Vampireslayer where you know who is with Vlad Wannabe.
No spoilers for those who wanna hear or read the books!
More fire from my favorite Warhammer RUclipsr at this point.
As a massive Queek fan, I feel the need to add:
Lol
Lmao, even
Rofl, if you will
Fair, in this house we respect Queek Breadmaker
Good lore. I also appreciated the AoE2 music in the background
Posting a Dwarf video on April 1st?!?
You can bet that's a Grudgin'
Ok, let's clear up the mountain of misunderstandings about Thorgrims death;
1) His armour was indeed superb at stopping stabs, it easily repelled an earlier assassination attempt. But these were new triple warpforge warpstone daggers made in the Horned Rats own real for this purpose alone. This is stated literally in the text.
2) Thorgrim never were the Incarnat of Metal, the Wind bound itself to the High Throne and left as the Rune of Eternity broke in the final battle. So Thorgrim had no power up anymore.
3) The Deathmaster was helped in climbing the full hight of Everpeak itself to hid near the Personal Mountainpeak balcony of the High King. This was only possible by the aid of a Verminlord.
This room and balcony was exclusively known to the High King, they always came there to mourn alone, so Thorgrim had no guards.
The famous door was the Door back down into the Mountain Fortress, The Deathmaster used Thorgrims death to summon an army, and they infiltrated the Mountain through that door.
Thorgrim didn't die, because he left that door open! The Mountain fell because he didn't think to close it immediately after arriving in the chamber.
Hope this clears things up!
Thank you exactly! I hated his death but it isn't half as bad as this video implies. He gets killed as he walks out onto the balcony, not because he left the door open.
The personification of "and I took that personally"
ROCK AND STONE!!!!
I got an ad for therapy immediately after you described his death lmfao
As far as I'm concerned Queek never died.
This video better not be short.
"SHORT?!"
Ah yes the short kings
SHORT?!
SHORT?!
THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK!
The whole issue of Thorgrim death is more an issue of Snitch, if you ask me. That character has no depths (in warhammer, so that's saying something), no flaws, no nothing, is not even a character, it's literally a plot device to kill people, and they used it to kill Thorgrim, so off course it would be infuriating no matter what, cause Snitch it's not a character. "Assassinated by Snitch" has the same lore significance as saying that a rock fallen on the head of Thorgrim and murdered him.
How can you say something so obviously wrong so confident.
@@MouldMadeMind which part exactly you say it is wrong?
Just discovered your channel and these videos are great summaries of lore! I was wondering: have you ever considered making a video on Warhammer: Underworlds? I ask partially because it's my favorite Warhammer game, but also because the lore and factions could be fun to dive into.
To clear some things up about the end times part:
Thorgrim had the ancestor ruins on him but they had faded and couldn’t protect him after the last battle he fought. Most of the ruins where tied to his Throne and axe.
The lore of metal was tied to his throne or armour in the book and the like the ancestor ruins once it was damaged it started not working as well which was kind of how Thorgrim was wounded in the battle previous to the assassination.
Another point is that Thorgrim had been wounded and was struggling to climb stairs and even breath. He had gone to the sacred hall of kings where only he was allowed to visit hence him not having guards.
The whole “leaving the back door open” thing is kind of dramatized where the balcony he was looking over was supposed to be invisible thanks to concealing runes. However the skaven had spied this place out via Verminlord magic and send the Deathmaster to wait for days until Thorgrim would be vulnerable. So while you could tldr it into “oops I left the door open” Thorgrim was insanely tired and already fading in and out of consciousness from his wounds.
The Deathmaster did not slip out after beheading the King however and stayed around to draw ruins to summon something or teleport maybe… I can’t remember which.
Definitely gonna need that Tyrion video soon
lizarad men when i wanna see the giant lizards
Orc Warboss: "WAAAAAGH-"
Grudgebearer: "Time out I need to consult the book before I brain you with it"
This video has striken many Grudges from the Great Book!
I see your "peppa pig's dad/Thorgrim's dad" comparison and raise you "the voice actor for Littlefoot in the first Land before Time is the same kid that played Hob in Robocop 2" once you can get past that one nothing shocks you anymore
Dawi: THAT GOES IN THE BOOK! 😡
Dawi-Zharr: We have looked over your Resume and we have decided to accept you as an Unpaid Intern. See ya tomorrow for a full non-stop 24/7 labor session🙂
Black orks : how about no .
Your videos are amazing
This is going in the book :).
the image used for the thumbnail goes HARD!
LOVE these Character-focused videos!! Have you thought of doing one for Vlad “the Chad” Von Carstein?
15:13 “why are you even here??”
Rat-friend just wanted to hear-listen to glorious tale of Sneek-warrior Snikch killing hated-cursed Shortling! Glory to the Ratkin, yes-yes!!
The guy is just a short sighted, short fused, short tempered reckoning machine.
12:31 AMEN BROTHER
A behaviour you see in birds is preening, picking fleas and other parasites off themselves with their beaks. There are parts of a bird which it's beak can't reach. For this reason, many species of birds will often clean socially. One bird will preen one's hard to reach parts and then receiving the same treatment. The thing is that such activity is not free. If nothing else it takes time. As such, there is a potential for abuse, where a bird indicates that it would accept a preening, gets preened and does not reciprocate.
Imagine there is two types of otherwise identical birds called Chumps and Cheaters. They differ in that the Chump will preen any bird that comes it's way. The Cheater will receive a preening, but won't provide one. If a Cheater meets a Cheater, they won't do anything for each other. But if a Cheater meets a Chump, the Chump will preen the Cheater and the Cheater will then leave. The Chump has wasted time and effort while the Cheater has an advantage. In general this means that eventually the Cheaters will outbreed the Chumps and replace them. But when the Chumps go extinct, the Cheaters will suffer since there are no Chumps to Preen them.
For this reason, a viable strategy is that of the Grudger. The Grudger will preen other birds but if a bird refuses to reciprocate it will never preen that bird again. The Grudgers in this case will soon out-compete both Cheaters and Chumps.
A test of such strategies was formulated in the 1980s, in which a set of strategies would play each other over numerous rounds of the Prisoner's Dilemma game (two people can either cooperate or defect, if both cooperate they get each get 4, if one defects and the other cooperates the defector gets 6 and cooperator gets 1, if both defect they both get 2). This lead people to formulate a variety of strategies, some of which were nasty and exploitative and would often defect. The Grudger strategy (cooperate at first with someone, but only defect afterwards) was deployed, but was far from the most effective. The really nasty exploitative strategies were consistently in the bottom. The most effective strategy was Tit for Tat: start cooperating and mimic what they do the next round.
These studies and the principles of Game Theory out lie the evolution of Social and Moral behavior.
7:10 music from Age of Empires kicking in. Beautiful!
Thumbnail-Thorgrim: Ye see this? This page right here? _IT SAYS YER A WAZZOK._
Love your work, and love the dwarves! I will remove your elf loving name from the book now.
Yep, that's going on the book