Since Betas are more interested in social issues than other quadras, it is quite normal for them to deal with politics. However, most of the characters you mentioned are either narcissists, sociopaths or psychopaths. (And unfortunately these problematic characters are successful in politics). That's why it's important not to confuse these problematic characters with people who don't have any mental health problems. For example, Adolf Hitler was an EIE. He was a complete psychopath. But observe 100 different EIEs in your daily life and see how many of them are like that.
Much of history had different eras like monarchies or emperors that rise to power through hereditary rule, so many leaders were not betas. In recent times, betas can struggle to win elections. So they’re just part of the mix of presidential candidates.
@@PracticalSocionics well, sticking to european medieval history kings and queens had multiple heirs and often the most politically savvy and/or strongest of them would be chosen; also, the hereditary rule had leeway: nephews, uncles and cousins could become leaders if they were more politically favored. all of this did in fact result in betas ending up as rulers for long stretches of time in europe at least
@@fatcatpatdat it also led the way for many types that are rarely seen as political leaders as well. Due to monarchies we can find more examples of EII, LII and others that would rarely make it into leadership positions.
@@PracticalSocionics True but LIIs and EIIs tend to be remembered as weak rulers and often got killed or replaced prematurely; Charles I of England (LII) for e.g. got beheaded after the English Civil War, Louis the XVI of France got deposed during the French Revolution (though in his case, unlike Charles, I don't think there was much he could do...) and one of the most recent e.g. is Tsar Nicolas (EII) getting deposed during the Russian Revolution
Have a look at malaysia. Anwar ibrahim, possible EIE. Study his history. Making a lot of optimistic promises pitting other groups vs one another. Promising to protect the rights of all very diff ethnic groups. Sounds like an fe base.
I want to remind for balance reasons of people like Churchill SLE, who was maybe a blessing to have him in power in WW 2 . Also interesting was how Se polr german chancelor Angela Merkel was pretty immune to Putins power displays at her and attempts to put her under pressure wih all these little games he played. She eyerolled at him and went on with her ways. Powerplay and pressuring is not a language she understood, she was refusing to engage with all of that.
Hey procupine jason i love your videos im a Lie or Eie tend to larp as either or i got my associates in engineering but im starting to dislike the field and the people around it its not what i thought it would be its unfufiling i would rather do some type of intellgence like cybersecurity or international relations can eie do a field like that or even a language i do have an interest in japanese ancient culture
Engineering is so redundant and useless people act like their god or something well there not it's there ego let me tell them we'll your not a god your just a pawn to all the major corporations get that straight. Sorry about the rant it's just I'm burnt out and these people are some weirdos I want to leave that field for good.
I have little practical experience with vultology. I think it comes with some clear issues but I don’t entirely dismiss it. I’m open minded that it could have some utility. Personally I don’t use it.
@@mr.chaoticgood1469 I don’t use vultology at all. Maybe one day someone will convince me on its merits and how to use it . I’m perfectly comfortable with people using model G. I’m more of the model A school of thought so I rely on that model more. But I enjoy looking over what the model G people are doing from time to time.
I would say that Benjamin Netanyahu is more LIE, ILI rather than SLI as he is extremely intelligent and strategic and very much future focussed. He is also a lot more open minded than someone like Vlamir Putin and Xi Ping.
@@PracticalSocionics He was always a big reader, and was always curious to learn from history, as well as other cultures. He is also far too strategic to be an LSI.
Yes that I would certainly agree. He is certainly not an LSI in my view. ENTJ, or INTJ all the way. In addition he is not going to talk about how he is going to solve problem on a public setting.
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Since Betas are more interested in social issues than other quadras, it is quite normal for them to deal with politics. However, most of the characters you mentioned are either narcissists, sociopaths or psychopaths. (And unfortunately these problematic characters are successful in politics). That's why it's important not to confuse these problematic characters with people who don't have any mental health problems. For example, Adolf Hitler was an EIE. He was a complete psychopath. But observe 100 different EIEs in your daily life and see how many of them are like that.
Hitler wasn't a psychopath as most of you would believe. Stalin was.
Literally none of them are psychopathic and neither was Hitler.
I wonder if there r any deltas involved in politics?
Yes, there have been Delta presidents in the US and I’m sure around the world If we start looking.
Bernie Sanders? I have heard people call him an IEE due to his politics and convictions lacking Ti.
@@winterbird4447 Many would argue the opposite. That he’s an LII
yes the german government is delta heavy right now, I commented above if you want details
@@winterbird4447 Sanders is being seen as LII afaik and I think it makes sense. Ti lead / Ti polr are quite misundertood maybe.
What do you think of lelouch from code geass is he your favorite EIE
"When Beta rules the world..." so basically most of recorded history except the last century
Much of history had different eras like monarchies or emperors that rise to power through hereditary rule, so many leaders were not betas. In recent times, betas can struggle to win elections. So they’re just part of the mix of presidential candidates.
@@PracticalSocionics well, sticking to european medieval history kings and queens had multiple heirs and often the most politically savvy and/or strongest of them would be chosen; also, the hereditary rule had leeway: nephews, uncles and cousins could become leaders if they were more politically favored. all of this did in fact result in betas ending up as rulers for long stretches of time in europe at least
@@fatcatpatdat it also led the way for many types that are rarely seen as political leaders as well. Due to monarchies we can find more examples of EII, LII and others that would rarely make it into leadership positions.
@@PracticalSocionics True but LIIs and EIIs tend to be remembered as weak rulers and often got killed or replaced prematurely; Charles I of England (LII) for e.g. got beheaded after the English Civil War, Louis the XVI of France got deposed during the French Revolution (though in his case, unlike Charles, I don't think there was much he could do...) and one of the most recent e.g. is Tsar Nicolas (EII) getting deposed during the Russian Revolution
@@fatcatpatdat There were others that did great things. Alfred the Great for example.
Have a look at malaysia. Anwar ibrahim, possible EIE. Study his history. Making a lot of optimistic promises pitting other groups vs one another. Promising to protect the rights of all very diff ethnic groups. Sounds like an fe base.
I think you're right on the money
Damn man. These LSI’s need to banned from politics…
That’s one possibility. But let’s continue to have full freedom for all. “Live long and prosper to all” .
Except Plato…fuck him.🙃
Reminds me of Talanov's enterntaining rants about Betans on his website.
Can you please share the link of betan rant website ?@@mikhailturkhan7686
What do you think about India?
I want to remind for balance reasons of people like Churchill SLE, who was maybe a blessing to have him in power in WW 2 .
Also interesting was how Se polr german chancelor Angela Merkel was pretty immune to Putins power displays at her and attempts to put her under pressure wih all these little games he played. She eyerolled at him and went on with her ways. Powerplay and pressuring is not a language she understood, she was refusing to engage with all of that.
Hey procupine jason i love your videos im a Lie or Eie tend to larp as either or i got my associates in engineering but im starting to dislike the field and the people around it its not what i thought it would be its unfufiling i would rather do some type of intellgence like cybersecurity or international relations can eie do a field like that or even a language i do have an interest in japanese ancient culture
Engineering is so redundant and useless people act like their god or something well there not it's there ego let me tell them we'll your not a god your just a pawn to all the major corporations get that straight. Sorry about the rant it's just I'm burnt out and these people are some weirdos I want to leave that field for good.
Captin Jason those enginwering classmates never touched grass in another day of their lives there were sweaty to so poor in hygiene it was afwul!
Just an ephinany moment
Hey Jason! How do you feel about the socionics community utilizing Vultology?
I have little practical experience with vultology. I think it comes with some clear issues but I don’t entirely dismiss it. I’m open minded that it could have some utility. Personally I don’t use it.
@@PracticalSocionics Okay so you're selective about utilizing that aspect of the socionics work. Is that also how you feel about model G?
@@mr.chaoticgood1469 I don’t use vultology at all. Maybe one day someone will convince me on its merits and how to use it .
I’m perfectly comfortable with people using model G. I’m more of the model A school of thought so I rely on that model more. But I enjoy looking over what the model G people are doing from time to time.
Sorry, vultology in my view is a pseudo science
Why don't u create a server for gammas
Gammas aren’t particularly social 🙃
I would say that Benjamin Netanyahu is more LIE, ILI rather than SLI as he is extremely intelligent and strategic and very much future focussed. He is also a lot more open minded than someone like Vlamir Putin and Xi Ping.
Im curious….how is he more curious than Putin or Xi ping in your view?
@@PracticalSocionics He was always a big reader, and was always curious to learn from history, as well as other cultures. He is also far too strategic to be an LSI.
Israeli one has too much Te to be LSI in my opinion i always saw him as an LIE
Yes that I would certainly agree. He is certainly not an LSI in my view. ENTJ, or INTJ all the way. In addition he is not going to talk about how he is going to solve problem on a public setting.
@@sylviaowega3839ENTJ or INTJ ? You know this is not MBTI
Iran supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei is iei