Surf Tip "How to Dial in Your Surfboard Liter Range"
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In this episode I help you dial in your "Surfboard Liter Range."
Hey Noel! I surfed near you at Uppers this morning and didn't have a chance to tell you in person, so I thought I'd just say it here. Thank you! You provide such insane value to the surfing world, and are a natural leader. As a teacher, myself, I appreciate your positive insights and your wisdom that you share so generously. Just watching your videos has helped empower me with the knowledge to choose the right board, fin set-up (after trying out Used Surf's demo program), not to mention helping me understand how to improve my technique and work on turns, etc etc. Thanks again for all you offer us surfers!!
Stoked... cheers for the kind words. Please introduce yourself next time you see me out surfing.
Used Surf’s demo program rocks
Thank you for doing this, this helps. I am a pretty big guy and I think this might skew a bit at higher weights. I go between 250 and 285 pounds and I notice my 47 liter PodMod 2 doesn't float me when well when about 270 and above. Age is probably a factor as I am 46 as well.
This is super helpful! Thanks!
i trust Noel with my money, i trust Noel with everything.
Cheers
I dunno man. My wife watches more Noel than I do!! Hey Salas, back off!!
@@jayeasty1 Classic!!!
Would be neat to test the same board at different literages and see how your surfing is affected. Especially a proven groveler like the Hydra... then try 25l, 30l, 35l all on the same day.
agreed
This would be awesome to see Noel!
I would love this too for the purpose of seeing just how a board that is incorrectly sized truly impacts expert/pro level surfing. I bet that would be an extremely popular and lasting video. What would happen to Noel’s cutbacks/snaps/carves/wraps on a daily driver that is 3L too small? 3L too big? 6L too big?
Good idea 👍
Would love to see it
Hi Noel, this is pretty much spot on. I'm 160lbs and an advanced surfer of 20years +. Almost all my boards are now in the 29-30litre range. I spend 4-5months in 6mm hooded wetsuit and boots, 4-5months in 4mm rubber and 2-3months in 3mm. I live in the SW of the UK where the waves often have size but can lack power and shape so almost all my boards are medium to low rocker. I have found over many years that in average waves and cold water going right to the top of your range works best for me leaving the mid-low end for good waves and summer. If people are honest about thier ability I don't think they'll go far wrong using your method. Love your work. Total legend. 🤙🏻
Cheers and thank you for posting what works for you! Your post will help others have more confidence pulling the trigger on their board buying and trusting the Weight to Volume ratio formula.
Go the Cornish...
Great video. I'm 57, and have been surfing for over 40yrs. I have been riding fun boards (7'-8'), but still am a short boarder at heart.
This video will help me chose a board, so I can give a short board a go again. Very well done. Thank you.
Hey Noel, fantastic videos as always. I was thinking it'd be soooo interesting to see you surf the same board at different lieterages. For instance one version of the board 2-3 liters above you liter range, one version at your liter range and one version 2-3 liters below your liter range. Getting our liters right is a big question, and seeing the exact differences it makes when in the water, along with your commentary on the matter would be quite interesting.
I will do a Surf Tip like this soon...
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Awesome! Can't wait
I'm coming in at 168lbs at 6ft. I'm surfing in cold Irish Waters in a 6,4 wetsuit, boots , hood & gloves. I'd put myself a intermediate / advanced. I find 33 - 36litres works well for me in the breaks i surf ( 5,10 groveller, short boards 5,11 -6,1 ). Mainly beach breaks that tend to be medium power. I've no doubt in warm water conditions i'd be on a 29-30 litre range. The extra volume helps with the extra rubber and the shorter times we can spend in the water.
Great post!! Thanks... your info will help others.
If you are tall and skinny like myself (165 pounds) 6’1 tall would there be a point where surfboard length would be too small? As technically some bottem of the pile grovellers I could surf at 5’3 or 5’1!
Great question... yes this can be problematic for tall thin guys like yourself. The formula to give you your liter range is still solid but you will need to order custom boards most of the time so your not riding 5’1” or 5’3” Grovelers. I have the opposite problem of you on my HPSB’s.... usually stock HPSB’s for me come in at 5’10” or 5’11” and that’s way to long for my likings so I have to order custom. I like my HPSB’s around 5’7” - 5’9” and a couple extra “ feels to long for me.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks for the reply Noel. Your content is awesome!
I have the same problem being 6'6 tall at 195 pounds. I can surf a 5'8 groveler but my knees are barely on the board while paddling. At the same time my step up board is an inch smaller than me.
Going custom seems like a good idea.
Concerning the volume, it is not only a factor of pro, advanced, or beginner…Age is a great factor. I used to surf 37 litres, for 232 pounds, until I was 45. Then, I had to increase the volume every two years. Today, at 58, I’m still enjoying shortboards, but with 48 liters(Dominator 6’8…).
Hey noel, I appreciate your method for calculating the volume but, those of us who surf in the Mediterranean in weaker waves, probably need to add a little more volume to the surfboards.
@@meironcohen8280 Factor in 1 more liter to your range. I’m sure other folks that surf really cold weather with lots of rubber need to add some volume too. This is just a good guide… a starting point.
Always felt the magic happens at around 36 for me . I’m a terrible surfer . Keeping changing boards that is why probably . But when I up that board and get greedy thinking I will be catching more waves .. something is just off and I start feel that extra floatation as a hinder
Agreed… that happens to me too
This calculation works for me. 5'10" 185lb and 32 liters is my hot spot. Dialing it in.
Great post!!! What’s your skill level so others can relate? Thanks
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Surfing 30 plus year and have surfed boards from 4’0”-11ft. Love your show, see you in the water.
When will we see a "Salas Designs" boards? With all that knowledge and experience trying all sorts of shapes/brands, I think you could design some great boards. 💯🏄♂️🤘
Cheers... I’m working on a board design with Akila Aipa.
More liters you have you’re sacrificing top to bottom speed and turns?
@@Soulriderpowder Yes… as you get better at surfing you want your boards to be more responsive.
Noel, great video. It would have saved me some money (hahaha). Question, would you add anything for age (52) or just stay with ability?
Some of my older friends like to add 1-2L extra for age and I think that’s great. It’s really a preference of feel underfoot and what you want to achieve in your surfing. If catching waves at a competitive surf spot is most important to you then by all means add some foam. For me.... I like my boards more responsive so I will work harder paddling for quicker reaction time on my boards. Even though I’m 48 years old.
Thanks for your response. I did liters up when I was getting back into surfing after an injury. But now that I’m back in shape I don’t think I need the extra foam. I can feel it when coming off the bottom or addressing the lip, etc. Btw I’m 186lbs , 5’11” advanced. Was riding boards around 34L after the injury. After watching your video I realized I need 32 to 32.5.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 You look and surf great for 48 years old.. I had the same question as I'm 52 years of age so thanks for that. Also... Would you add 1-2 liters if you only get out every 3 months or so.. I live 7 hours from the coast and pretty much have to plan mini vacations to be able to surf. I have myself at 42.33 liters using your calculations at beg/int (former intermediate because it's been many years) and that's including an extra 2 liters added to account for the all the neoprene needed on the Oregon Coast. My current board is an old 6'9" Canyon that is probably around 38.5 liters. I'm just not sure how much to add.. Make it 42 or make it 45? Curious as to your thoughts.
@@caseymccormack2000 Get a Hypto Krypto by Haydenshapes and go up to 43L so you catch a bunch of waves and have fun.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel.. I was looing at the Hypto in a 6'6" or 6'4"... Looks like a fun versatile shape. I would rather go as short as possible so I appreciate the advice. It was either that or a Firewire Evo. Are you still planning on reviewing the Hypto?
The community appreciates you man. Been getting on a SmoothStar trying to get the legs under me using some of your training videos.
I generally struggle with dimensions on boards. I am intermediate and fairly light for my weight. I love the control and manoeuvreability I get from boards at the bottom end of the litre range but then struggle with my wave count. I pump up the volume to the upper end and catch waves but struggle with the rails being too thick and takes me a while to get control over the board. I practice as much as I can for my location but is there anything you would suggest on length, width, thickness to overcome? Or just practice more 😊
Go more in the middle of you liter range. The low end might be to low and the high side of your liter range sounds to high. Find middle ground on volume and work it out.
Btw Noel those HP keels works great with my 5’-8” Steve Morgan “74” fish. Fins always humming 😄
Yup, exactly in the range calculated for my skill level, thanks Noel!
If only I had something like that 20 years ago...had boards from 27-38l back then and only by accident stumbled across a board in the ideal volume about 2004, but didn't really identify that volume was the main factor why it worked so well until 2015 or so haha!
I'm 6'1.5 at 170lbs intermediate for life lol, used to 6ft+ boards from the 2000's and kinda feel like some boards are getting too short for me in stock dims these days. Stance seems a little off on those 5'5 sticks and rail line is so short, feels unstable at high speed! Helps me with placing the back foot correctly though...
170lbs - 20 year surfer - 43 years old. 29.5L - 32L. Advanced surfer but no expert/pro that surfs mainly mushy So Cal waves. Ride flatter rocker boards and prefer short boards towards my lower volume range when waves get good. Fishy grovelers work better with a little more volume for me. Great video. Thanks!
Another awesome and very useful video from this channel. One question: Is it usefull to consider / Do you consider the eventual effect of the wetsuit weight?? For example, a difference of 5 pounds would change almost a liter using the formula. Tks!
I answered that question at the end of this episode...... Go up 1L for every 8-10 lb you gain or go down 1L for every 8-10 lb you loose. Adding rubber will add weight....
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Tks for the super super quick reply!! Always looking forward to see your videos!
Needed this vid badly Noel...im 155 LBs looking to go to 160+ soon lol, I'm 6ft, and I'm an int-adv quickly advancing as im surfing everyday almost all day. Pretty fit, workout and surf daily. I haven't had too many short boards ever and i cant seem to figure out my right dims.. I had a 6'1 driver 2.0 and the rails felt a tiny bit too thick and the board felt also just a tad bit too wide. (6,1,19.38, 2,45 are the dims). Im thinking about going with stock dims on the fever but is it worth to go a tiny bit down in custom dims and wait that 4-month timeframe?? Hopefully, you can let me know if you think i should go custom dims up or down from 6'0 stock or maybe i should just buy a 6'0 stock and it be fine! Sorry for the paragraph just need some guidance before i put in a order and wait too long or buy a stock board that doesn't fit right. Thanks for the review! ps I'm in an A-class ventura county surf spot as my home break for reference of what waves ill be riding.
The Fever is epic.... if the Stock 6’ hits your liter range then no need to go custom. I suggest getting into your local shop to feel up a stock 6’ Fever and see how the board feels under your arm.
Got my favorite drink sitting back
I loos 5 kilogram since covid19.my lliter was36.now i need to buy 33_34 board.im 81 kilogram.
Dude, I’ve been riding a 5’5 Seaside I bought about a month ago wondering if it was too small. I’m 51 now and have been surfing for about 32 years considering myself at an advanced level. Not expert or pro. At 5’10” and 170 - 175 lbs, I’ve surfed it in different spots and different conditions. Some places it’s too little volume at 31.5 and other places, it’s absolutely perfect. This board was made for a wave like Church. Then go out to a place up north like Steamer’s and I’m gonna really have trouble. Personally, I think the size of board and volume really depend on the spot you’re planning on surfing. SoCal waves require less foam than Santa Cruz, and Santa Cruz waves require less foam than Ocean Beach San Francisco. If I took Seaside out to Ocean Beach S.F., I’d probably have to get rescued if the waves got bigger than shoulder high!😂😂
I think you length of the board is important for the other wave spots your talking about. A longer board will go way better in bigger steeper waves. You will have more stability, and rail line to push off of. I would never take a 5’2” or 5’3” Seaside out in OB Frisco unless it was 1-2’ surf. That wave is powerful with lots of water moving around.
It might be fun at 1-3’ Steamers or pleasure point though.
Just wanted to mention how much I appreciate you showing clips of your surfing the board/fins you're talking about. It helps IMMENSELY to picture what you're saying when you talk about sort of intangible concepts of an experience like drive, flow, looseness, etc.
Thanks for such an amazingly informative and entertaining channel!
i've been surfing 35L for ages. today i tried an 31.5 that it felt sick. came home and watched this video and guess what...your formula nailed it.
Yewww!!!
Great content! I’m 40 at 195-200 lbs been surfing for 25 years and find in the winter with a 4/3 I like riding 38-40 liters the best. Funny because most of my boys think I’m way over gunned, but it just feels like I have sooooo much more fun and get endless waves when i ride what feels right. Having the ability to sit a couple feet past everyone, especially around the local Encinitas spots where there’s plenty of bigger boards, it just seems to be where I’ve been landing lately. Even when I surf blacks I find I like to have the additional liters. At a certain age we get to a place where we just go with what feels right, I guess that’s 40 for me lol. Anyhow, epic content man. Cheers from Encinitas.
I really wish I had of seen this video bout 4 weeks ago. I brought a 32 litre 6' 20x/x 2x/x board cuz I'm very unfit atm I wanted easier paddle. but it's to much board for me I think I'm around 179cm and I'm like 148lbs ATM
I always seen the charts saying I should go less L. But 27L on my style of Hawaii boards makes it bog because of rocker. I’m 165 and that means 27.5 divided by 6. Currently on a 27.6L Monsta box eps and it could be smaller so I just ride head high surf. But my big wave boards still get the under arm test haha
Hey Noel, I really wanted to thank you for this video. It’s been a while since I bought my last board and in that time I’ve lost 20kgs. For some time now I’ve felt like my boards are all over volumed. I recently had an opportunity to pick up an ex demo 5’6 Machado Glazer following this formula it came just below what I thought I’d need now at 32L. I already had a 6’0 in the same model at 42L. I was a little nervous dropping so much size but I’ve had about 4-5 sessions on the new board now and I’ve noticed a massive improvement.
Even taking it out on the weekend in some subpar conditions I felt it outperformed my 6’0 seaside even with paddle power and also felt it’s even improved my pop up .
I’m now also considering sizing down my seaside to a 5’6 or even trying something new maybe like an Album Plasmic.
This dude is sik only just stumbled on his page. Happy days
your the man Noel!!! Love the videos, my favorite yt channel. Keep it up!!! greetings from Brazil
This formula is spot on! Noel was super gracious, helping me dial in my optimal volume when I was purchasing my CI NB2. Purchased it from the Surf Station & once I got it in the water... It was mental!!! 💯🤙
Noel does too much volume ever hinder catching waves? Could it potentially make the wave roll under you, or is it really just a matter of sacrificed performance?
I think it’s more of a sacrifice in performance. More volume will get you into more waves.
me as a 5'9 115-120 lbs guy . i guess custom orders will be my only option if i want something at my size and volume to evolve further as stocks dims at my size have always too much volume , and boards at my volume are always microscopic
Just rewatched the Cymatic review and I realized how much the production quality has increased. Thanks, Noel!
Thanks Noel! I'm glad I followed the Mayhem formula on my new MR model. I've put on weight and am wearing a 4/3 suit. Thanks a lot for all that you do for us.
I'm 5'9" with long arms and legs. The trouble I'm having in 2022 is that the shapers stock dims for my weight come in short length boards. I prefer 5'10, 5'11" to 6'1" range for my standard shortboard. I have a 5'6" and my legs are so long the board is just too short, for me to get the proper liters I'd have to actually drop down in length when I want to jump up. I'm not surfing waves that break consistently in the same spot so I have to hunt and position for take off, prefer the longer length boards.
Hey Noel. You are without a doubt the best surfboard reviewer on RUclips!
Need some of your advise here please... bit of a long one so bear with me.
I am an experienced fit surfer at 180lbs, I have always rode smaller boards for my weight.
Current quiver is...
6'0 X 18 7/8 JS Monster8 round tail - 28l.
5'11 x 19 DHD DX1 squash 28l
5'10 x 19 1/4 Lost Sub Driver 2.0 EPS - 29l
I like small changes between each board with dimensions so the transition from board to board is easier.
Question is... I'm after a grovel board for 1-3ft fat gutless surf. I don't really want to go to a full-on retro fish with round nose if possible.
What is the best performance fish you have tried?? I want something fast that has heaps of glide over fat sections, not worried if it won't surf in the pocket. I'm thinking something like an Astro Pop or Swordfish would be on the money... any other suggestions?
Thanks for any info.
I like the Fishbeard and Astro POP best for what You want. Astro POP might have a bit more glide
Now that I have my liter range, how should I decide the length? I'm 5'6.5, 160lb.
I'm looking at 5 different boards ranging from 5'6 to 5'10 with 30l each (daily driver and grovelers) Any ideas!?! thanks appreciate it!
@@finao8231 The length can depend on the board category and your skill level too. What is your skill level? What are the waves like at your home break? What are the board Dimensions and volume of your favorite board right now for your home break?
@@surfnshowreviews7777 I'm an intermediate riding mushy 2-3ft waves but determined to progress into good overhead hallow 4-6 North Shore, Oahu. Got my eyes on pyzel 5'7 gremlin, 5'6 white tiger, 5'10 phantom, 5'9 pyzelien 2 and 5'9 mini ghost. I kinda want the one with the best paddle power, fast and can rip on waves waist high to overhead. Narrowest 19 3/8 widest 19 7/8 and all around same thickness 2.5
@@finao8231 I say Phantom… excellent paddler, easiest to shred and will rip 3-7’ surf.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Phantom it is. Thank you 🤙🏾
I trust Noel Salas more than anyone in the water but Idk I think a lot depends on your ability to paddle and take off deep. I'm roughly 200lbs and anymore than 30L and things feel corky. I see so many folks 185lbs saying they are on 35L boards and I'm thinking you need to paddle harder. I guess volume in the nose and the rocker play a good part in this decision.
Divide kgs by 2,72 to get the same result! Nice tip Noel, the only thing is not every board has volume marked on it. I have started shaping boards not so long ago and most of the time people are only interested about litres as a combination of all the specks of the board which is wrong! a 26L 5'9 is totally diferent then a 26L 5'6.
I agree but only DIMS don't work anymore either and I love the combo of both DIMS and Liters. These are both tools to give us surfers piece of mind that a board will work well for us.
How many pounds does a 5/4 wetsuit put on you? That's what I wear from December till April here in NY...I would say I'm an experienced intermediate who rides a shortboards anywhere between 32-35 liters...wondering if I should boost a few liters in the winter to get more speed (I'm 6'1 ~182 pounds with no suit on). Awesome review btw
I would say a 5/4 would add roughly 10-12 lbs. A good liter range for someone your weight surfing in trunks looks like this.
Pro/Expert level = 29.5-31.5L
Advanced = 32.5-33.5
Intermediate = 34.5-36.5L
Wearing your 5/4 adds roughly 1-1.5L the point of having a liter range is your high end should cover the extra weight of your winter suit.
Some guys add 2L for winter rubber like your wearing.... it’s really all preference. I hope this helps and makes sense.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Wow thank you so much very helpful, definitely need to be on more volume in the winter
Hi, this video was what I need for a long time. Thank you for sharing.
I’m one of your patreons and having great time with your surf better series from South Korea!
Wish someday I can ses you in the water.
Yewww!! Stoked to hear our tutorials are helping you. Cheers
what about age? Should I add a liter for every year over 50. I'm being serious. I'm not as agile as I use to be. I'm 52. According to your formula I should be riding a 32 liter board. I can but its a lot more work nowadays. I switched to a 44 liter board and I'm catching a lot more waves although it is a lot harder to turn this board and definitely not as fast.
That’s the sacrifice.... if you want to ride boards with that much foam then it will be hard to get going quickly and slow to turn. Maybe go somewhere neutral of 32L - 44L.... like 35-37L.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thank you! Love the videos. Very informative
My problem as well. I'm 57 and 160 lbs and was in desperate need of a new board (was riding an old, waterlogged foamie). All the older surfers were telling me to buy a much longer board...including the "legendary" local shaper (thank goodness he botched the 6'6" he talked me into)! Did a ton of research and went as small as I could imagine...just pulled the trigger on a 6 ft/36.7 L board. Only ridden it once in crap conditions (farking spring wind), so no real verdict, yet...but it feels pretty good.
Update: that 6 ft/36.7 liter board didn't have enough nose rocker (pearling too much) so I bought a 5'10/35.7 L pod mod and I can still paddle it just as good...turns better, too. To me, 35.7 L in EPS feels like it floats the same as 36.7 L in poly...but EPS does surf more on top of the wave than in it.
Awwwwweeeeesooooommmmeeee, veryyyyy helpful thxxxxxx!!!!!!
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Thank you Noel 🙏 always the best advice
best of the best Noel in every review. Thanks! cheers
Great review Noel! Spot on with litre range, im 5.7, 135 pounds, I’m currently riding a pyzel phantom 5.7 with 26.7 litres, I think the board is the perfect litre range for me as a intermediate/advance surfer but I want to go in the 25litre range, should I go down or stay within the 26-27 litre? Thanks.
You can absolutely go less volume... maybe 24-25L. Start at 25L and work your way further into the Advanced level. The 26.7L could be what’s hindering you from progressing into the Advanced level on a regular basis. I say keep your Phantom at 26.7L and go down at least 25.5L and see how that goes first. If it feels excellent then sell the 5’7” and grab a Groveler at 25L and you will be amazed at your quickness from rail to rail.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thank you for the reply, yea, I was the guy who asked for the size differences for the black baron as that’s the next board I’m thinking of getting very soon.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 also what is a good groveller board that can help me progress?
@@taibirius1723 I'm the same weight as you? Did you happen to go down to 25L? how does it feel?
I have to add 3 to 4 litters to that formula even being advanced as i just can't paddle low volume boards.
I would focus on boards that have less overall rocker then... less rocker will have more glide and less drag especially when paddling.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 yes i'm liking the get-up and go of the flatter boards and i find with the flatter decks with fuller, eggish rails can go thinner and lower volume while improving buoyancy and forgiveness when its not barrelling. :)
Hi Noel, another awesome video with so much insightful information. Using your formula for a intermediate surfer my volume is 28 litres. I’ve got a 5’6 (29.5L)HP Puddle Jumper which is great in 1-3ft beachies I surf. I’ve got a 5’10 (30L) Phantom which feels a little big since riding the Jumper unless it’s 4ft+. What board would you recommend for 2-4ft beachies? Cheers
For more performance in the pocket I like the NB2, Medina model, Modern Fish by Akila Aipa.
Thanks Noel
After five years of not surfing I got a 6’3 21” 2.75” 39 liters. I’m 6’5 225 and figured this would be good for me. In the past I had surfed skinnier 6’6s and plenty of 5’11-6’1 retro twin fins. I took it out and had a hard time catching anything. You think it’s my weight? Everytime I finally got into it by paddling with all my power I was already too far behind the face. Really frustrating. Not sure if I should just sell it and get something else
Your weight and skill level volume ranges.
Pro/Expert = 36-38L
Advanced = 38-40L
Intermediate = 41-43L
If you are out of surfing shape then I suggest 43-45L. Sell the board you got and try again. Or buy a new one and work your way down to that one.
Hi Noel. Hope you have a great 2021 and thanksfor the tip. Matching the range with the outline and bottom contour of the board is what is not entirely clear to me. If you have less rocker and this equals better paddling, why adding a littler? Why not adding littlers for High performance PU?
Noel Rules ! Regards From Brazil
Hi Noel! I want to buy the Dominator 2. So do I get it right? I´m about 181 LB. Divided by 6 plus 3 (Intermediate) it would be about 33l. So the 5´10 would be a good choice? I´m riding the Dominator 2 already in 5´4 on a standing wave. But I´m not sure about the volume for the ocean.
Here are the liter ranges for you.
Pro/Expert = 29-31L
Advanced = 31-33L
Intermediate = 34-36L
I learning this the more I surf shorter boards, I bought 5.5 hydra 33L lib tech iam 5.8 170 never thought I would be surfing a 5.5.
does it float you and paddle well? im 5'9 145 and looking at a 5'5 libtech hydra
@@stdavis22 yes it paddles well, and its thick around the rails
Excellent video. Keep rippin.
Very informative Video. Thank you very much.
What orange rail Aipa Model is this in the background?
Cheers,
Jan-Erik
The orange rail Akila Aipa board is a prototype.
I assume you get this a lot from punters like me, but I am 210lbs and bought a 6'0 stock Firewire Seaside (before watching your video). I don't know where I am on the skill spectrum since I don't know what defines beginner Vs intermediate, but I go out everyday if there is a wave, have zero trouble catching waves and getting up and ride along the face happily in either direction. Starting to get into cutbacks, bottom turns and proper pumping. If I assume I am in the beginner/intermediate zone, then I do (210/6)+(5 or 7). Which brings me to 40-42L. The 6'0 seaside is 44.8L. It does feel like a bit of a stretch under the arm in terms of thickness and width and gets slappy on faster waves (more on top of the water rather than sitting in). I am wondering if I should go with the 5'11 instead? It is 41.1L and felt much more comfortable holding it in the shop. Note also it is EPS. The only reason I didn't get it was because I was unsure about going that short (I am 6'5). Since it is a groveller board, should I just stick with the added volume of my 6'0 or would it be worth switching to the 5'11?
You could easily ride the 5’11”. The 5’11 will offer more sensitivity and your turns will be quicker and sharper. Either way if the 6’0” feels good then no reason to buy the 5’11”.
Spot on 🤙🏾
How much of a difference does the volume make between epoxy and standard pu boards?
I answered that in this video already.... if the volume of a board says 27 and it’s EPS then it floats like 27.5L.
Cheers, missed that sorry. Two Ears full of water and cleaning the kitchen before wife gets home😂
Good content here … spot on with the calculations. Thanks ! 🤙🏼
Hey Noel,
Just came across this video and your channel, thank you for all your time and efforts. I do wana run somethin by you. A little history, been fond of surfing for years. It’s been a life long dream since was a boy(now 37). I remember going out to Steamers Lane in Santa Cruz as a kid watching them surf for hours. Anyway… last year I went to Hawaii, for the first time(Waikiki). Of course I took a couple lessons and I have to say I nailed it. I didn’t think I’d take to it so fast, I was hooked. I ended up renting a board for the remaining 10days there and surfed on my own. It’s true, life is better when your surfing. So I come home and what do I do, I get a basic soft top with a lot of volume, not even sure how much. I’ve been out a half of dozen or so times but now I’m looking to purchase a real board. I guess it’s what they call a hybrid or fish style. I’m headed back to Hawaii (Maui) again this year and I want to bring my own ride. I’ve been eyeing a board by surf industries called the Modern Highline. Im 37, 5’8, about 195ish and I’d rate my fitness 6-7 outta 10. The board specs are
6'8"
22 7/8"
3"
55L
FCSII Tri Performer
Based on your video, I rounded up my weight to 200 and divided by 6 and added the 5-7 as I still consider myself a beginner. I came in at 40L. This Highline at 6’8 comes in at 55L. Is 55 too much or too little for a beginner still.
us.surfindustries.com/products/highline-pu-mid-length-surfboard?variant=35742594662558
I say keep it fun and go for more foam. Get the 55L board and catch more waves and make easy to stand up on. Foam is your friend right now…
Hey Noel as usual a great video and spot on for me thank you so much!!!...my question is about litres for my step up - I surf a driver 2.0 6'1" at 30.3 litres I'm 176 pounds advanced surfer so my ideal litres by your formula is exactly that board, and I love the board although lately Ive been feeling that given the proformance 5oz s cloth construction which makes the board so light, I could go to the 6'0' at 29l...anyway, back to my question, how do I litre size my step up? Should I have the same litres as my normal shortboard, or add 10% roughly or what? I surf the driver 2.0 up to OH like 5 foot, when its 6 foot DOH I have to nurse the bottom turn a bit which is definitely holding me back....And further to this, would you recommend a pyzel ghost (I would get custom as I want at least 6'3" and dont like wide boards) over a lost step driver at similar dims and litres? I should add I would mostly surf the step up on not so hollow more slabby powerful wave like bells
Mini Step Up I say go up 1L. I want the extra foam to get into the wave early but I still want my turns to be sharp.
I primarily surf BSR (Waco Surf). Should I add volume for wave pools? If so, how much? The fresh water in wave pools is not as buoyant as salt water.
I suggest EPS/Epoxy for the pools and you can actually go 1L less compared to what you ride in the ocean.
Another great Video Noel. Would be great to see part 2 - Dial in your Litres for step ups. I always struggle with a step up, Im in Australia, 99% of the time I'm surfing knee to shoulder height waves. Surfing boards mostly between 5'3" and 5'11" in the 28 - 30 ltr range. When it comes to getting a board made for Bali like a 6'6" the extra length obvs adds more volume. So I struggle with thickness...do I go the same thickness as say a 5'9" or do I go thinner due to the extra length and volume, or maybe the answer is simpler than that? cheers
I would add 0.5-1L to my Mini Step Up and maybe 2 Liters to a legitimate step up for 10’+ surf.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 what do you do with thickness?
@@marcusdavis2208 I will add length first then scale scale thickness accordingly. Good example... if my HPSB is 5’9” x 18 7/8 x 2 5/16 at 26L then my mini step up is 5’11” 18 1/2 x 2 5/16 27L. The thickness might change or not.... the volume will change by length. I would get on a website like CI and mess with custom dims on my step up to get my liters right.
Dude your awesome, thanks for the great advise.
Hey Noel
I just ordered a RNF 96 at 5’6 and 31L.
I’m 173-174 pounds and 5’10. I’m at an advanced level. You think that volume is ok?
Here’s a great liter range for 175 lb surfer at different skill levels.
Pro/Expert = 28-30L
Advanced = 30-32L
Intermediate = 33-35L
Sounds like 31L is spot on
Noel - Thank you for all of your videos and reviews. You are my go to for all things surfing. Many thanks!
Keep it simple and have fun. Great piece of advice!
Hi Noel, very good exercise you have there. Actually, what you say at the end is what I notice a lot: When it comes to winter time (because of the 4/3 and of the cold in general) I wish I could add one extra liter to my NB2 since it looks like I get more "stuck" to get waves.
The Volume Calculator you have at the Pukas site is also quite interesting
Always so instructive pieces of information talking simply about so many parameters. One thing: you would ask all those boards makers to add the projected surface distribution aside of the volume in litres. That surface in cm2 would be a great parameter to know about the real range of the board out of its usual dims. Thanks again!
I’m 222lb, 5’8 and 58 yo. Won a comp in doh+ surf once - longtime ago 😂
Recently bought a 6’1 Glazer at around 45L. It’s the perfect fit for an older, heavier guy - paddles in well but turns quickly in short arcs - previous boards 6’4 so the contrast is very noticeable. Seems like past a certain weight you need something substantial to keep you on top of the water... kinda like mosquitoes vs frogs 😂
Hey Noel! Do you take into account the weight of the wetsuit for the Weight/6 formula? or we should add it, if you always surf in a 4/3 or 5/4mm wetsuit. thanks
I would add 1L -1.5L more to your liter range using this formula for 5/4mm suits with boots and gloves.
As an advanced surfer who normally maxes out at 29L for a performance shortboard I have a question regarding alternative shapes. I’m looking at a CI twin in the varial foam tech that is 33L. It’s 5’10 and I am 6’. Would this be too much volume even on a board like that?
Yes... that’s to much foam in my opinion and that board will catch in the nose are on your turns. I suggest the Fishbeard... you can ride it with more volume and not sacrifice performance.
Hey Noel,
I hope you can help me ! I’m 6 foot tall and 160 pounds. I want to buy the seaside for spring to autumn waves in the south west of France ! I just don’t really know which dimensions I should get... I’m an intermediate/advanced surfer and hesitating between the 5.4 and the 5.5.
Hope you can help me !
Keep doing what you’re doing !
You’re the best ;)
I say 5’4”... it will float like 30.3L. I like thought of the 5’5” due to you being so tall but it’s a bit to much foam.... it will float like 32L.
Hey hey Noel! - Just creased my MonstaBox HyFi and need a new board. I've got a Puddle Jumper HP for grovelling, what thruster would you recommend for 2-5foot in mushy (Bondi) beach break surf that occasionally turns on?! (PS. Advanced level, progressing to aerials)
NB2
What about boards like the Seaside. Usually I am around 26/27 liters (I am 5'5 155) but just the dems of a 5'2 or 5'3 just get me nervous because they are so small. The 5'4 seems right but at 29 liters i am hesitant. Just wondering your thoughts. Keep up the great work your shows are epic!
You can go 5’4” if you’re intermediate no problem.
Hey Noel, I'm an intermediate surfer 6'-0", ~190lbs mostly surfing the south shore of Oahu usually about 4-6' hawaiian size.. I'm coming off an 8'-0" funboard and looking to transition to a smaller daily driver board that I can learn more turns and technical surfing on. Can you recommend any boards, sizes, volumes to look for? I've been looking at the Machado fish and Pyzalien 2.
The transition can be difficult as the shorter boards will feel very responsive and a bit unstable. I think a good place to start your way down in size and volume is roughly 38-40L. I think as you get comfortable on the shorter board you can scale the volume down a bit more and end up on 35-37L. I suggest the Pyzalien 2 fin f the waves are hollow 4-6’ HI style.... if your surfing waves that have size but aren’t heavy then I suggest the Seaside. The Seaside paddles better, it’s faster, and it will be more stable due to it being wider.
Spot on! I havent actually used a calculation before but this is exactly what I have been riding as I progressed (75kg 34.5L as intermediate, down to 32 when I felt the 34.5 didnt wrap around as fast as I would have liked and now at 31)
How long did it take you to reach the 31L one? I am also 75kg and want to buy a 31L, I am intermediate-advance and have been surfing for about 2 years
@@andress639 I was only surfing about 2 months in summer and 2 weeks in winter but I was on my 34.5L board for 4 years before I felt that it was slowing me down. But even now I think that I could ride that board and only feel like it's a bit too big on 1 in 10 turns.
@@robarnoldbik8014 Thanks! much appreciate it
I ride with a few extra liters of volume because of my age, skill level, and because I live on the NS and the waves are so challenging. The sacrifice seems to be rail engagement. What fin set-up would help compensate for this? Pivot vs rake? medium vs large? and thruster vs quad? Thanks!
If your boards are wide and somewhat flat with low rocker then I highly recommend a Large Pivot fin.
Riding on a fast beach break spot, I can relate and agree to this video as my friend advise me to go to 5'5 while I had a very good feeling on his 5'7 Holygrail. I did not regret it at all! I am 127 pounds with an intermediate level -> 24.3 L as per formula and guess what... 5'5 Holygrail is 24.45 L! I have to paddle more but the manoeuvers are more radical. Regarding your dedicated video on this board, great choice on KA FCS II fins :-). My high range is the Go Fish 5'5 with 29 L. Again, for this board, great choice on especial captain fins. Thanks again for your work, high quality videos and very wise advices, especially on fins. I really did not pay attention on this section and it really change the game! Yewwwww
Cheers!!! Thank you for posting
Really good clip mate, easily the best breakdown i've seen of the whole volume / dimensions/ ability equation. Well done :)
Big thanks for your videos 🤘🏾
What better, to many or to less liters
If your at the top end of your skill level then I suggest the lower end range. For example... if your beginning stages of intermediate skill level then favor the higher end of your liter range and work your way down. If your in between intermediate and advanced in your skill level then favor the lower end of your liter range and keep your boards more sensitive and responsive to progress into the advanced level and work your way out of the intermediate level.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 i'm160 pounds, same height as you, intermediate to intermediate +, RW spinetek 5'9 32l. It goes good in 1 to 4-5 ft, but i would like something little more loose and more grippy.
Should i go with a new RW with less volume, like 2 or 3 liters less to be in my intermediate low liters range? Any advice?
Great content like always on your channel!
Happy new year to you
@@jlm4400 You can get a smaller RW on your low end liters and it will help. I also liked a Large Pivot fin to loosen up the RW too.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 ok, firstly i ride the RW as 2+1 merrick pc twin, lot of speed, but slow pivot. I try fcs merrick pc aircore médium, pivot way better, and still good speed and drive turn...
With upright fins, i will loose the drive and traction for carving no?
I will try some large reactor if i can, and i will report my feeling.
Thanks
@@jlm4400 The L Reactors will go good
Great Stuff - Thanks!!
this rule was bang on for me!
Hi Noel, great content as always. I weight 90kgs (198lbs) and usually ride 32-33L eps boards for daily drivers and grovelers. I am looking to buy a mini step up, maybe the twin pin ci but I am not sure how much Ls should I add for being a step up and a PU. Tended to go for a 6’3 but afraid 38L may be too much? I surf mainly point breaks when gets big. Cheers!
It really depends on how big the waves are and how hollow the wave is too. For me a mini step up is a couple inches longer from my 5’7” (27L)HPSB… so I go 5’9” and maybe add 1L to (28L) for bigger waves here in So Cal. If I’m in HI I might ride a 5’11” at 29L. Now for waves like Sunset and Ocean Beach it’s looks a lot different in board length and volume.
I say go up to 35-36L for your step up if the wave is not heavy
@@surfnshowreviews7777 excellent, thanks! I live in the surf coast in Australia, riding mostly at Bells when gets decent. Wave is not that heavy but some strong rips do require extra foam. Cheers, Noel!
Do you ever surf boards around 5'11" or 6'0 and if so do you keep your liters the same?
Not really... the waves I surf here in So Cal don’t that big for where I surf. I really don’t like boards taller than myself. So 5’9” is the longest boards I ride. If I surfed places like HI, Blacks, or Ocean Beach then I would have a bigger board quiver. I would probably have a 5’11”, 6’1” and maybe a 6’6”. Waves bigger than that I have no interest. The volume on those boards would go up 1-2L max from my normal HPSB’s.
@surfnshow this is so valuable. What about us taller blokes? I’m 190 but 6’4”, does that impact my liter range?
Not really… however it does affect your rail line. You taller guys need more length but volume range is still solid with these calculations
@@surfnshowreviews7777 So stick with the same volume stretched out as much as possible, thank you!
Hi Noel thank you for all your teaching . Where is the link for pay ?
You can sign up here…
www.patreon.com/surfnshow
Hey, what would you recommend as a dedicated small wave fish shape, preferably a twin fin?
Check out his website and look at his favorites. I think you can get some good info there. I know he likes the Black Baron and Aikila Aipa and Noel ripped it up on the Seaside which can be ridden as a twin or a quad.
hey noel, i'm 145 pounds and 175cm, currently riding a 5'10 x 19.2 x 2.43 (28,6l) surfboard. my main problem are the low frequency of surf, i'm like the "weekend warrior" guy and often feels like i'm out of rip for surfing. for me, do I need more, less or stay in that range of liters on my boards? here in south Brasil we have mushy beachbreaks and fast waves at same time... feels so scary to ride some board less than 5'9
For your weight and intermediate surfer I have your volume range at 28-30L. If you feel like you need more foam to catch more waves and generate more speed then you can go up to 30L or so.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for helping! Cheers from south Brasil
When you say your weight is that with or without a wetsuit? Are you 165 in the morning on the scale but more like 169-17O out in the water with your suit on?
I weigh 167 lbs in my wetsuit
@@surfnshowreviews7777 its crazy your surf so little volume. I saw an article on Stab showing the pros and their volumes. A lot of the are at like 5.8 when you divide body weight to volume.
Hey Noel can you do a review of you surfing an al merrick proton Dane Reynolds model. I know it’s a little older board around 2010 but it’s a super sick board
I would like too... but boards that old would be custom only and that won’t help our community much. I want to order the old Dumpster Diver to but same problem
Do a roberts white diamond It's the original design that the dumpster diver allegedly copied.
How much does height effect dims. I'm 6'3 170 I usually ride boards from 30 - 33 liters. I also live on east coast of US so are swell periods are lower. Usually around 7 to 12 seconds.
Really depends on the board model and if you like more rail line or not. I like my boards a little on the shorter side. I would say 5’10 - 6’3” is a good board length range. You can go a little shorter on Groveler type boards but 4-5” shorter compared to your height is pretty standard
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thank for the quick reply! Love your show and patreon has helped me improve drastically! The board I'm looking at is a Roberts Biodiesel dims are 6'0 x 19 3/4 x 2 1/2 31.69lt. The board I surf the most is superbrand fling epoxy. with dims of 5’8" 20 1/2" 2 5/8" 34L. I defiantly feel comfortable enough surfing with less liters. It might take me some time to adjust to surfing a board with less width though. Thanks for the feedback!
57 yo at 160 lbs, with an effed shoulder, but still want to shortboard. Local shaper suggested I go 6'6", at about 40 liters, for winter waves up here in norcal (it's been overhead to doh every day the past month). Haven't surfed a 6'6" since the Clark foam days, so kinda freaking out...but the shaper has 40 years exp.
Sounds a bit long to me too but Norcal winter waves are bigger and way more powerful compared to most Socal waves. How tall are you?
@@surfnshowreviews7777 was 6'1" years ago, but last time I measured 5'11"...maybe did it wrong. Yes, waves up here can have hawaii power, depending on the spot.
Perfect! We think the same!