Just because someone says "it's not for me" that doesn't need to be interpreted as a knock against it. I love Stihl saws but I wouldn't want to be letting it idle for a computer to adjust settings either. That's not a knock - it's just something that I don't want to do. Why didn't they just put in a true Rev limiter instead of what they did? I don't know but they did the design.
I've got a few friends with the 500i and they love them, told me to buy one, I went and bought a 572xp and am pleased I did. 500i is a fine saw but it's not for me.
Buckin is just an old school treeguy , and im the same way when u get used to certain things or use a certain saw or saddle or whatever u just stick with what works for u
@@garbizzi6868 well, there's a beauty in the manifestations of the genius inventions like carburetors, linkages, venturi tubes. Fuel injection, foe example, is a technological leap forward but it negates the beauty and the ingenuity of these things that were required to work together to make a carburetor. It's the same as these fancy computer screen-like dash displays in cars & trucks. They are nice...but give me some analog speedo and tach, temperature gage, etc. Most technology is some aspect of an advancement but often seems disrespectful to the genius which came before it. I'm not even a luddite - I had a heat pump in 2008 when people were still asking what they were, but I find it easy to appreciate mechanical design which requires a harmony among many parts whereas some technological steps forward are really simpler than the predecessor and often unservicable. Once again, the phrase of the day: "It's just not for me."
I'll stick to the old school. I was working for a gal today and she told me I could work for her dads old tools if I wanted to instead of cash. I asked to take a look. At the back of the shop, there was a shiny yellow chainsaw. I almost ran over to it. Full wrap handlebar. Pro Mac 850 with zero road rash and compression like a brand new saw. I told her I'd like to work for that yellow chainsaw if she didn't mind. 😁😄😃 And now there is a new member of my chainsaw family!
I'll try to explain what's going on here without too many words. The sound you hear isn't 4 stroking. It sounds like really bad 4 stroking but it isn't. Anyone new that is wondering, 4 stroking is basically the sound of incomplete combustion. Usually this happens a little at the top of revs when the carb is either just right or really badly when the carb is rich. Hard to explain with letters but sort of a baaAAA... On this saw what you hear is a rev limiter. It is causing incomplete combustion on purpose to limit over revving. The issue is that the saw has lots of power so when Billy cuts the little limbs there isn't enough load on the saw to stop it from over revving and so the saw kicks in the rev limiter cutting spark. As he leans harder on it or cuts big chunks it pulls down the revs enough to not over rev at full squirt and so it cleans up and just pulls hard. The thing is, when you get used to tuning with your ear to have just a little hint of 4 stroking, the sound it makes is really annoying. It sounds like the carb really needs to be tuned badly but you can't do that. So it's a bit like nails on a chalkboard (for anyone old enough to know what that is) and it is irritating to listen to and not correct. I'm sure some get used to it, or like Billy said they just bury the bar in big chunks and don't have to hear it. Hope this makes sense. Love you Buckin, keep up the great work and positive attitude!!!
This is beautifully put , I don’t like it ,, thx ol boy , I’m no mechanic but it sounds just like the old saws when their dull or to fat ,, 4 stroking is a term o never heard til RUclips lol
Thank you for this post. This explains why they stink so bad when limbing. Wonder if they could bump the limiter up a touch? Or instead of cutting spark, cut fuel? I would like to know too how often they need a hard reset versus tuning on the go?
These newer saw sometime need to be recalibration sometimes for height elevation and atmospheric changes. Have you tried doing the procedure in the owners manual? It will fix the issues you are having.
Nice explanation here simply put ! This is what I love about RUclips there are so many people that have knowledge and are willing to share ! It’s just hard sometimes weeding through the bser’s who don’t have a clue lol !
Love your videos!!!! BUT... I can't go to the store and buy a saw from 1974. Love that you have them and keep them going!!! i have zero interest in becoming a saw "tuner". I sharpen my saws with a round file. Averge-ish skill level. I need it to start when I pick it up. I'm not cutting wood as a hobby or to make my living. I make firewood, operate a campground... Its the Gravy... I bought a 500i this spring. Its amazing!!!! Game changer... Punches well above its weight. Hope this video hasn't discouraged too many people from buying one... The Stihl 400 and 500i's may be the dying gasp of gas saws...
Me and the guys on the wildland fire crew love your videos! Get the gullet!! We started running 500i this year and they are everything you said, hard charging and light, but as the season progressed somewhat problematic and unreliable. Love your videos my friend!
Mine did this when new, was frustrating, even worrisome. But it outgrew it or 'broke in'. It is an incredible saw now. No issues. I dont let it idle before shutting off like everyone says either. It seems there's a bunch of varying ways they run. I have a second one spoken for a the dealer, i like it so much
Here in Western Australia we have jarrah for firewood, some super hard stuff! And the 500i just shreds it! Iv tried 362, 661 and an old 088 and the 500 just leaves them for dead! Would recommend the 500 every day of the week 🤙🏾⚡️
Yer I’m in WA too - my 500 in jarrah def doesn’t make wacky sounds - just cuts and is a lot lighter than the other saws around the same power…. But I’m not a power saw connoisseur…..I’m only new to it all but again love my 500 after a year of having it.
that kind of wood is where the 500i will shine, dogged in and chewing through dense/hard wood..... considering that Jarrah was once cut into blocks and covered in asphalt for making roads I'd say it is hard! hahaha
Watching your vids and a few other West Aussies- reckon the 500i is what Ill end up with. Did you end up getting a 25 inch bar for it? Great Vid too, by the way Buckin Billy Ray, hope the young bloke makes a full recovery too.
Good morning Buckin', I love the content and enjoy the channel. I'm not sure how long I've been watching but it's been quite a few years. I respect that the new technology isn't for you but not allowing the saw to retune by putting it through the retune cycle is the equivalent of not readjusting a carburetor that is out of tune. If one of your old Macs were out of tune, you'd adjust it in a heartbeat and the 500i requires the same love just a different process to get it there. Thank you for all of the content and the positivity that can brighten anyone's day!
I totally agree with you on the 4 stroking of the 500i... That would drive me bananas...Like you said, it'll work out better in the bigger wood but I prefer the old school saws as well. Thanks for sharing Buckin!
I know what you mean. I'm gold level Stihl rated but very old school. I'm running three 020AV top handles as well as an 041AV and a couple of S10s. Just put a new cylinder on one and it's great. Stihl is doing some funky things with the computer and fuel control to keep the thing from over reving and blowing to bits. I agree with you it feels a little wierd at light load. I'll probably won't ever get used to the feel of it or that when it is sick, I get to talk to it with a laptop. I love the channel and the message you bring to the viewers. Keep up the good work!
@@rayban5737 i hope you tryna be funny, because stihl only does m-tronic and 500i and verry few moddles, on the USA site, in the Profesional category they even say in the description on the MS 661 magnus "This chainsaw features a simple, proven, and non-electronic design" . So no, stihl just gave electronics a try on some, but their top Profesional category they still say loud and Proud that they used electronic free design, keeping the carburetor in use. Having a problem with solenoids or electronics Chips for some dude that live out in the wild, having to send the chainsaw for repair for weeks its a no-no. Thats why Stihl only made 500I like this in the "Big" class. Cheer
Personally Billy, I think it’s psycological for you… 1) It’s new… possibly the future for saws. 2) it’s not carbureted! 3) you can’t set or tune it, which frustrates you. 4) it’s not an old Mac I’m old school too… so I get it, but that is a mean saw for cutting, unparalleled!
you missed the main point though. It's just like new cars. They're great until they break down and then they need somebody with a laptop, and a degree in electrical engineering to fix. The old stuff runs a bit edgy but you can fix it. Let's see how many new saws can still run like a boss after 30 years like the old ones do. The old stuff (cars and saws) fetches big money comparatively speaking for a reason. Anything at all I can't fix or tune myself frustrates me as well because when you live in the middle of nowhere you better be able to fix your gear.
@@hogansmith7075 I agree 100%. I made the comment because Im actually older than Bucking Billy, & as you get older, you get set in your ways. Now, I’m definitely a Sthil guy, was the first new saw I bought 35 years ago… but when you get used to something, it’s hard to accept change or even feel comfortable with it. My comment wasn’t a slam at Billy, but rather one of empathy, as I can relate to his ideals. Thank you for the spelling lesson… I never was good at spelling! 🙏
I own 2 Stihls MS361 & MS 362C. I would never own any other. What 1st sold them on me was the dealer. He sold both Stihl and Husqvarna and he use to sell Homelite. When I 1st went to him I was undecided and ask the dealer what he thought. He took me into his repair shop and it was almost 3 to 1 Husqvarna there to be repaired. My oldest Stihl was almost 20 years old and fired on the 1st or 2nd pull until my brother dropped a tree on it. Welcome my MS362C. I have never had issues with either saw. They cut like a dream.
Buckin. I have a stihl 462 with a 28” and 32” bar with a bark box, and yes she cuts. We all have different preferences in saws. My first saw was a poulon, still have it, couple stihls, and a really nice Mac 10-10 A, that is an awesome saw, starts better than any other one I own. Keep it coming buddy. ❤️
Hay BUCKIN unfortunately computers are here to stay and gaining acceptance in all fields. You old appliances would last 25 to 30 years, we bought a new fridge and stove 5 years ago and the fridge has not worked 100% for 31/2 years and I had to repair the stove twice in the last 4 years, All computer related. As a mechanic for close to 30 years I know cars ,trucks ect are no different, we now live in a disposable world where we accept that the $ 70,000 vehicle we just bought won't likely last 10 years!! Very few products are meant to be repaired, you just go and get a new version at thr store. Sad but a fact . Love your great attitude, keep on keeping on. Cheers.
Been watching you for years Billy! Love your passion for doing a good job every time. Nothing better then hearing a vid start with "hi friends" Hope your back has been doing better these days 🙏 as Vancouver Island boy myself, thanks for all your outdoor tips!
I haven't noticed mine four stroking yet. Only had it a few months but have cut a reasonable amount of varying sized wood, always try and keep the chain super sharp on all my saws. I always start my saw and let it idle while I put my chaps on so maybe that habit is helping the 500i. Love your channel keep up the good work.
Sounds like it needs a larger injector. I know that’s probably not possible, but the computer can advance as much as it wants and that won’t make the nozzle larger for more volume. I’m sure it’s a great saw, but I’m with you. I’ll stick to my old 440’s and 372’s, throw in a 288 once in while. Great video as always. I love watching northwest tree cutting.
When you run on methanol you need bigger fuel supply going through the system. Bigger carbs, bigger fuel pipes to match the flow of fuel and bigger injectors- you can get it done. You’d need a tap and dye possibly but there could be someone who can do it for you somewhere. Perhaps someone near bye does drag racing or runs hot saws and could help out. All the best.
I bought a 500i, because BBR said it was good. I love mine, use it for firewood. Best decision I have ever made. I wanna get a barkbox and different dog teeth for it. Thinking about using it for a small mill infact.
At some point it isn't about the spec sheets and online "fads", the definition of "right saw for me" is simply what you like to run. Hard to beat a done right 372 :)
I think the 572xp will outshine the 372xp by a fuzz when done up right. Very smooth saw and a pleasure to run. It does have the autotune vs the carb so not for everyone
@@fabzacres-blackcat Maybe but some folks just like the carbs and the ability to tweak and tune. My 565 put my 572 in the retirement home. No real tech reason why other than it feels smaller & lighter. Not as snappy but has enough azz to pull a 28inch bar in my woods. My favorite 372 build actually starts with the 48mm top end :) Point? For me it's not about numbers and specs. its about feel. I happen to like my 48's as they rev quick with "lightened" flywheels & vibrate less. :) NO one else on the online planet would agree I'm sure :) Buckin loves those yellow "plagues :)" but its real and I happen to really appreciate that about him. I like the red ones. It's about work but even more about "smiles" .
Id love to have the saw but man, i cut a lot of wood for the winter time but nothing so big to even think about having that saw I'll just stick with my Stihl 120 lol. BUT i do want to get one of your axes or axe handles you make. Those are sweet. One day when i can save some cash i will get in touch. Love watching your video and have learned so much for watching. Keep em coming friend.
I see what you mean, she almost sounds like your reving her with the chain break on like it’s waiting to get out of the box but she’s being held back. There’s no song just an almost nasal noise like it’s caught a cold or something. I love the idea of you raffling her off to some one that would like a new type saw, plus you could help someone with the proceeds. 👍
My friend, I have to say that I have been beyond pleased with my 500i. It is about 2 years old now. You know what my property is..... Tons of hardwood trees. I really don't use it much for limbing,, but I've not had any issues with the 4 stroking in the smaller wood. In so many ways, I'd liken it to a very high quality pair of shoes or boots. They just will not fit everyone. Love you all...❤❤❤ Lieutenant Bradley
I love my 500i. Most used of my 3 work saws. John's custom saws talks about how bad the pistons are. Look into it. Awesome channel, you've made work so much easier.
You can't mention John on various platforms... people get butt hurt. John is absolutely 💯% without any doubt correct about the 500i pistons... they are ALL OVER the place with their dimensioning. Tossing a 660 piston in a 500i with a little port work and getting the piston to fit over the small end of the rod makes the 500i an absolute monster for the size of the saw.
@@RichFife they are good saws.. but you can tell by the sound of them even in the cut and sharp.. without that carb.. they sound sloppy.. :/ we like two strokes mayneee!
@@dillgross6758 get one that's worked. 💪 I honestly wasn't a fan of a stock 500i... mainly because of the reasons listed in the other comments... then I did a hybrid build... now, it's one of my favorite saws for power to weight ratio.
@@RichFife When I buy a saw.. I just want to cut though man.. :/ I don't want to do crazy mods to every single saw.. my 572xp stock is a hot rod saw. 32" bar.. just ripping into massive fir, straight out the box. Plus the wear and tear I've seen go down to my brother in laws 572.. I'll only reach for a husky when doing serious work, Lol
I’ve worked with 3-4 other fallers that have gone over to the 500i, they all seem to love the weight and power of them but there’s something about them that I’m not into. I too prefer a manual carb, I’ve got an mtronic 261c and it’s been awesome but my 365 xtorq and 372xpg’s are still my main saws at work. Picked up an old 066 off a buddy and I’m digging that as well.
For a brand new saw it sure seems to be the go to buy for full time guys. I've got a 500i but still like to run my 372 and 660 even if the 500 could replace both.
I've got the whole Stihl quiver 880's,660,460's ..my 460 with a bark box and square ground chain is my favourite ..Last week a friend let me use his 500i ... its incredible ... I'm not going to rush out and buy 1 but its the way the world is moving ... I can understand BBR's he's a husky / McCulloch man and good for him, its what he knows and loves.
Not sure that was a fair comparison what would the 500 do if it was tuned and ported like your hot rod saws. Kind of like comparing pro stock to a street rod. Love your channel and content.
I've got buddies that have ported 500is and ported 461s 661s 660s 066s. The 500i is not a heavy hitter. I've only been around mildly modded ones, but my mildly modded 390xp had the 500i looking like a mustang that showed up to a tractor pull.
In the cut around 3:48, watch the corner of the garage's smaller door (the red frame in the background) and you'll see that slight movement he's talking about.
The 500i is a beautiful machine. It's just doing things that you don't expect with the new technology and throwing you off on the sound. If the engine is too big for the job and has to throttle down to not over-rev, maybe you've got the wrong tool for the job
Or you need to learn throttle control? You don't have to run wide open throttle all the time, when I'm going through the little limbs I barely crack the throttle on my 500i, have never had a problem with it . As with most things when they change, often their needs to be a user adjustment too to get the best results. 👍
@@danieledwards1081 except that with 2 stroke equipment you do have to run full throttle for the air to fuel mixture to be correct and keep it lubricated properly
@@adammiller8415 no you don't, not if it's properly tuned, also the 500i is electronically fuel injected, it has sensors to make sure it's injecting the correct amount of fuel depending on engine speed and load
@@danieledwards1081 As a small engine mechanic yes you have to run 2 strokes wide open. ive rebuilt a few hundred from dumbasses constantly running them half throttle and destroying them
Hey Buckin , i feel your pain on the new saw. That 4 strokin is pretty normal every saw should 4 stroke & jump like a jelly bean, thats a good running 2-stroke. M-Tronic & 500i have a carb reset which should be performed after exhaust modification.
I have ran nothing but stihl all my life but bought my 390xp almost 2 years ago and man let me tell you! I love cutting with my 390xp it’s way smoother and just cuts nice! All day cutting I love my husky! Sorry to hear about hogans buddy! Wish you good health and happiness buddy ✊🏽
Man I've been wanting to get a 390xp but I can't justify spending the money. When I got my 281xp it was the same way I wanted a 288xp but some people said the power difference isn't enough to worry about so I never got one. I have to keep reminding myself a couple Stihl 044s and the 281xp will handle anything I got to cut. But a man always wants more chainsaws. Haha
I've got two, one set up for falling with a wrap handle the other with a half wrap for cutting stumps. I've had and run quite a few Stihls and the 044 is the only one I liked good enough to keep. Except my dad's 036 pro. It would not be easy to part with either of my 044s. Good work saws. Maybe you'll find one. They're still around.
I'm watching some older videos...I only jumped on board a month ago...my brother firefighter and sawyer turned me on... Who can afford a brand new saw...I buy and keep old ones I wish you would do a show on just different chain types and uses...after 50 years of this I would love your perspective You da man!
Thank you for sharing all this great information! I am new to the saw game. I am trying to tame the back 7 acres of my little farm. Its old growth Osage orange hedge and variety of huge old oaks. A few of the oaks have fallen due to being taken over by grape vine. I am in eastern ks. Picked up a farm boss and thought I had a big saw.. lol I really enjoy cutting though and appreciate all the knowledge you're giving. I had no idea there was so much to learn. Really interested in picking up a larger saw after seeing your technique. Thanks again Billy!!
500i is the best saw I've used but old school is nice too. I guess that's nice to have both worlds. Then again in Europe we use lighter and smaller saws, for example that tree is a job for Stihl261 or Husqvarna 550. Even these are too big for that small tree.
Bigger is better here in AMERICA, it may take longer with a smaller saw, but the smaller saw is lighter and easier on your body in the long haul, I see guys limbing like he was with MS250 and they run awesome when set up properly, stay strong guys
I can confirm. I run a MS661 and my local shop never have any spare parts for it in stock because almost no one runs big saws in Sweden, it's basically only guys doing chainsaw milling and arborists for felling those old and big oak trees. I've really come around to the stand up and buck philosophy. I find myself reaching more and more for my MS661 rather than my 550XP. I did a tree-job for a guy last weekend(felled a dead pine tree with heavy side lean over buildings), and I basically only used the 550 to do the bore cut because of the short and narrow bar with low kickback chain makes it like a surgeon's tool. The rest of the job, I only used the 661.
@@skitidet4302 I have many saws and unfortunately Husqvarna and stihl are not my favorites I have echoes I have efco I have dolmars Dolmar is my favorite but I do have a little efco 52 with a 24-in bar and that thing just runs awesome, I've been running bars lately anywhere from 24 to 36-in even though 36 is a little heavy on the nose I do love using them, don't forget the fact of when you drop a tree that you can use a pole saw the cut up the small branches you never have to bend over that way it's like running a string trimmer, works pretty awesome my back always says thank you when I do it.
@@cargotoolshop5319 Well, by European standards, you are still running big saws with big bars. Keep in mind that the "little" efco 52 is a midsized saw in Europe, but with a 24" guide bar, that's way bigger than the 13" or 15" bar that you would normally see on your "standard" 50cc saw here. People consider mounting an 18" bar to a 50cc as really pushing it. Normal fellers usually never go above 20" here, even if they get a big saw. For example, I've seen lots of people run 20" bars on a 500i.
I’ve never used an 500i but I just got a ms661c which does the same four stroking while limbing a large post oak the other day. Was running a 36 inch bar and ran out of gas at the 40 inch plus part of the tree. The temperature had reached about 95 degrees here in the south so I decided to wait for a cooler day to find out how it does in the big stuff.
Huh I’ve got the 400c And I run it all day with a 25” and I put a 8 tooth sprocket on it and it rips but I’ve never had starting issues and I’ve put countless tanks through it
Oh God listen to this stuff.. my 500I never fails to start ,THAT AINT 4 STROKIN MY GOD that is what's gonna keep that stihl for your grandchildren. Husqvarna will be doing it soon the Swedish are behind a few years that's OK us stihl guys know that it's only pity we have fir ya..
Good morning Buckin, I don't have chainsaws anymore but I understand what you are saying, I remember back when they changed automobiles to all that new stuff and the average guy couldn't work on them anymore, I'm old school myself, but maybe that 500i is more for the weekend warriors that only cut firewood on the weekends and don't have to worry about the jet adjustments on the chainsaws, getting them to lean or to fat. But as far the sound the old saw sounds better. I always enjoy your output on things. See you in your next video.
I got a 500i, best saw I've ever ran and I've run about everything there is. I can't stand the sound of a ported engine and a bark box is about the trashiest thing I've ever listened to. The 500i was literally made to run stock because it already is powerfull, cuts fast, idles beautifully, and sounds like what a chainsaw should sound like right off the stihl dealership shelf. She definitely has her quirks as my lady stihl can be a bit moody sometimes but overall a great saw and to each their own. Btw love the dominoes felling in other vids.
The way you tinker with the old saws and being able to sharpen them they do the job just fine. I like the challenge of making something old do the job. Cheers my friend
That saw sounds Saweeeet! The 500is when worked are insanely awesome. But, I understand where you are coming from... I kinda like the new muscle cars but in my mind, I'd much rather have an old school late 60xs - early 70's muscle car... the looks, the feel... the new cars with their electronics is great... until they go bad. Give me the old and call me a stick in the mud.
You old stick in the mud, I've got half a nerve to call your neighbors in you. Then shake my fist angrily while saying I can't argue with my wife with all the noise you're making with those Got Damn saws!
@@Apalm12 I can't speak about the 592... i have no experience with it... but, imo that 592 should out work and pull more chain than the 500i due to the cc gap.
I’m surprised there aren’t any aftermarket programmers for auto tune saws. It seems like they should be very tunable with the right hardware and software. Not to mention with the 500i doesn’t the CPU control not only high/low and idle but timing as well? I searched google everywhere for aftermarket tuners and there is not even conversations about it I always wondered why.
@@mattfleming86 yeah people say you can hack anything, well yes, for a price. You want your car tuned? $800 tuning software that decrypts the computer of the machine, running on a $400 laptop, with a $100 subscription to the software, and all with a middle aged man who spent years of his life learning the nuances of the software
I've got to be honest Buck, I'm not just sure what we're talking on here. I know what 4 stroking is but the 500i I run at work has the stock muffler on so I'm struggling to hear what you're talking about - I'm watching on a phone too so maybe that's it? I try to keep my saw cutting like a razor but I have noticed you can stop her in the cut sometimes but I always just figured it was getting bogged rather than 4 stroking. Again, maybe I'm wrong here I'm just trying to learn more. I'm mostly cutting with a diddy little 20 inch bar or a 25" but that's just the way it is in Europe. We're cutting all sorts though, lots of limbing and chipper work as well as felling 20-30" Pine for weeks at a time. I know this though, I'd take my modded 461 I use for the firewood over it if the boss would let me but it's "use what you're given ONLY" so that's that. Stay safe boss!
Hey Buckin’ I’m looking to get into the world of classic/vintage power saws but have no idea where to start. What would be your advice or recommendation?
Gordy of Westcoastsaw sells bolt on replacement upgrade parts for the 500i . Antone Schlager runs a west coast redwood logging company .. Guilty of Treeson just did a series with Antone and Gordy . He says he upgraded his 500i a year ago and its a completely different saw that does nothing but eat . He is an impressive faller Billy , and he knows his gear . I'm also for a raffle I can enter and if I won would pass on the saw to a friend who would use it .
@@Apalm12 the 500i is an 80cc saw the 592 is a 92 cc saw ...so the 592 is mire copareable to a 660/661 ....the 500i is an in between ... i actually love build 70cc saws (372/572/460/461/461CM ) over the 500 because they are ligther and if build decently strenger than a stock 500 ....
My experience on the 500i, having owned one and ran three others, is they are annoying to start. Sometimes they fire right up, but other times you have to pump up the fuel pressure, pull a few strokes, and repeat 3 or 4 times to get it to idle. There's no choke or fast idle lever, just a fuel pump and kill button. The power to weight ratio is great, and the handling is good, but starting turns me off. Compared to a 592 that has always started easily.
I took care of the 4 stroking on my 500i with an 8 tooth sprocket for about 6 bucks, tried everything. Was very frustrating considering the $1600 price tag
I still think the 462 as an all round package is better than the 500i but it won’t be long till they get the 500 right, i run the 462 bark box steady and it doesn’t ever mess me around
Just a few thoughts as a mechanic, I have wondered about the fuel injection on some of these things. Lets think for a moment the 373 is ported and polished chambered exhaust and likely been retimed. So it comes alive instantly but the injection on the new systems without the ability to retune the electronics it is futile to port or chamber it. It will never come alive like the carburetored 372. Its a program issue 🤷♂️
The 500i is a fantastic saw in it’s own right , many swear by ‘em - many swear at ‘em. As “state of the art” as the saw appears to be I just have to wonder is fuel-injection even necessary in a chainsaw ??? I have some autotune,mtronic and manually adjustable carburetor versions and so far they’ve all treated me kindly. The issue is, should the saw need service, expensive diagnostic costs ensue whereas the manual adjustable carb version can be repaired by the sawyer or if a new carb is warranted easily replaced. It appears there is a lot of new products like this where the customer is now beholden to the manufacturers and simply cannot affect repairs himself … Ol school saws vs modern come up a bit short stock for stock in the wood as it seems the modern saws are “hotter” right off the dealers shelf. A lot of the old school saws make that deficit up once with exception of 372xp vs 572xp with the new version being a fuzz stronger 😎
As fun as it is to hate new tech there is no competition to how much a 500 comes alive when built right. A 462 or 661 will have considerable improvements and husky s feel similar, when a 500i gets ported and polished it turns into a built 661 power wise and weighs a half pound more than a 462. I'm not a mechanic but when Gordy from westcoast saw switches to one along with all of his customers who can afford one it's obvious that saw is nuts. Also the 500i literally takes less than 10 seconds to perfectly adjust itself to a bark box or any exhaust mod. If you really don't like it try running some tests with someone who had one built vs a built 661.
@@boxocrackers557 ANY saw will come alive when built , some moreso than others. An built 064 will absolutely STOMP all over that 500i and use less fuel to boot😉. I think the 500i is a fantastic saw but I also question the need for fuel injection on a chainsaw , as unlike the system on a fuel injected vs carbureted vehicle , the 500i the air/fuel mix goes directly into the crankcase just like on a carbureted saw. The autotune/mtronic saws run very well and that’s as far as new tech needs to go for cutting wood 🪵imho. In fact adjustable carburetor versions are available if desired so demand is there for these old school saws. The issue that a lot of us see is that with this “new tech” ( and not just chainsaws - see John Deere suit) is that manufacturers require the customer to pay for repairs exclusively thru THEIR repair division (or manufacturer approved repair centers) essentially creating a monopoly on these repair services. I mean cmon, it’s a freakin CHAINSAW that fells trees and cuts wood for crying out loud! No need to over engineer it such that the customer cannot even fix his/her own saw ! Also the air filtration is subpar with the 500i - unacceptable for a $1500 saw.
@@fabzacres-blackcat air filtration is crap, also, it’s tough to make these comparisons. The 064 is an 85(?) cc saw, this is 79 cc, there’s no replacement for displacement when it comes to something this small. The 500i shines compared to the 064 for being very comparable in output and being much much lighter in weight. Just making it a nicer user experience. And if you run them daily you feel it.
@@hopkinstreeexperts759 Yah , a few more lbs, ounces is the price you pay for an old-school pre-epa saw that flat out rips imho. I’ve got an 064 that’s over 25 YEARS OLD that’ll put a big grin on your face everytime you use it and it’s easily serviced. Will the 500i be around 25years from now ? 🤷♂️ California is looking to ban gas-powered outdoor equipment (chainsaws included) by 2024 so we may see a move to electric saws (oh boy) or back to the axe and misery whip. I saw this all comin YEARS ago and prepped accordingly 😀
I'm stihl trying to work out what you mean? It looked to cut the same? Is it the noise the limiter makes? Is it limiting chain speed when unloaded, because of the computer trying to be clever? Did it bog when you start the cut? I can imagine some things like that with efi but I can't tell much from the noise.
Billy I have a poulan I had it since 1997 it was 50 year special edition. 20 inch bar. Last time it was used was 2012. It's been sitting every since. I ran the gas out before I put it up and took the bar and chain off . And put it up in a case and it's been sitting on the self since. What do I do to it now
Thanks for the fun videos! I've recommended you to both of my sons who are also power saw guys! I know you love to do fine adjustments on the carb while on the job and I, as do many others, marvel at your touch. You know your saws well and know how to get the most out of them. I only wish I had that touch. So I guess I can see why you don't like a saw that attempts to do all of that for you. It surely takes some of the fun out of things. Nevertheless, I'm puzzled why you are so against letting the saw do it's thing. It's a simple, straight-forward process clearly explained in the manual, that takes less than a minute. I know you spend as much time or more with your little screw driver adjusting things yourself. So why not give it a chance. It seems like you are intentionally hampering the performance of the saw by refusing to do the effortless task of letting it adjust the carb to your particular setting. Now, I'm not saying that I know for sure that doing so will eliminate the problems you are experiencing, but why not at least find out?
There almost comes a point on certain things where the product was made to be the ABSOLUTE best that the company could achieve. This was a time where if you didnt make a product that worked and was reliable your Reputation was on the line... The older huskys are awesome. Screamers and reliable. The new saws are nice but how good can a saw be. The old saws sometimes are just as good OR better in some cases then the current offerings..
Just because the advertisement says "New! and Improved!" doesn't mean it is or that it works better. Computer controls on everything, give possibility but like on autos, when something goes bad you can't fix it at the side of the road. Chainsaws? My opinion, simple is better. A carb you can adjust as needed with just a screwdriver or rebuild out on a job if needed.
Old saws can be dog shit bad as well.... just because it was made so many years ago don't make it a "screamer" or better..... the one thing older saws have going for them is that they can be made to be screamers and out perform newer saws.... If there was a way to get a "brand new" old school saw off the shelf and a new saw off the shelve and put them head to head, the new saw would win every time....
I really like it for bringing down wood while climbing. I don’t do much for bucking with it on the ground, but i see what your are saying with the difference in sound at the beginning of the cut. Probably not best as a limbing and bucking saw. As a climbing saw for dropping logs the power:weight ratio can’t be beat. In my opinion. Great video. Loved the beginning bit on adding forward weight on a back weighted tree!
I love all the videos and VERY useful info. I just bought a house with approx 30 (mostly sweet gum) trees that need to go. I bought a MS462. I used your advice and bought a (longer) 28" bar. I must say, I love that saw. What do you think about the new M-Tronic compared to that 500i? Thank you for all you've taught me. I love the content. I WANT AN AXE!!! :)
I hear the difference for sure. What is happening is the saw is accelerating to get to full rpms but fattens up to not over rev at. Watching you work it doesn’t look like it’s holding/slowing you up but only you could say so. Potentially you could run a larger sprocket to get more chain speed. I think it’s more of a stihl trait to be more torque oriented than have that snap like you like. At the end of the day it’s up to you what you want to do. I like the raffle ideas because someone will win a nice saw and helping charities is always good. I have a 500i and I haven’t even did the bark box cover yet. For me it’s a great saw. I also have a 562 and I like it as well. I have a bunch of classics in my collection!
I really don't see the problem with the 500i. Sure, there is a rev limiter, but I think it is literally impossible for a 2-cycle engine to 4-stroke. For that to happen, the spark plug would have to mfire only once every two revolutions, and the fuel delivery system would have to follow the 4-cycle regimen. In any case, comparing a hot roddded saw to a stock saw is not quite fair. Thos who have modded a 500i get even more power.
@@gorned999 it’s just a figure of speech. It doesn’t actually for stroke it’s just the burble noise that it makes at high rpm. If you lean it out to lean the it “screams” the rpm’s pick up and the burble goes away. Also you will melt your piston or otherwise damage the engine. Buckin has a video on tuning with an old McCullough where he shows the difference between the 2
I guess what I c here is a 50's something running a 500i as a limbing saw & quick rev's is key. 500i is as u say great in the wood. So, it probably cuts in the wood close to a 661. But for limbing, I don't need a 25" bar or the weight that goes w/a 500i. And of course we port & bark box work to tweet out a little more. But, this sounds like quick rev's. So, 500i is 10,000rpm. And u don't need 65cc+/- for limbing anywho. The chain & response in the wood 500i great. Limbing....eh.. It's like bullets out of a 6.5 creed vs 300w mag. Who carries a 300w mag for white tail, blacktail, etc. Who argues hunting w/a 6.5 creed for moose/elk? My point. Give yourself 5-7 years & the 500i will be for just in the wood. You'll slow down to match the saw. Appreciate all these videos & learning opportunities. Be blessed.
Ms 400 doing exact same thing. In substaintal wood its great, but limbing or small stuff it 4 strokes, took it to stihl and they said it was a loose connection, fixed the connection still does same thing. With the 3.0 version mtronic if you let it idol for 30 secs choked it puts it in a setup mode that requires you go through the calibration cycle, if you don't its even more wonky. Have a ms 261 with same 3.0 mtronic but it doesn't do the 4 stroking, guessing cause the size. What iv discovered with trying to figure out why the 400 runs like that. Great to see you're seeing the same things.
Yes! My buddy at work told me about his still climb saw has too let it idle for ten minutes to program itself which is kinda weird for me too. I have alwys been stihl 200t for climbing and all huskys for big saws 372s 395s 394s even used to climb with a 346xp that was a great saw
Completely unnecessary; Get the saw warmed up. Do the M-Tronic reset and that saw is ready to roll. Shouldn’t take more than 2-3 minutes total. I’m not so sure Buckin’s 500i has ever been reset after the muffler mods. That’s a huge deal right now on how his saw is revving.
Late to the party here but the idling thing works well. I get into different trees and bar up different sizes and grinds/files. it needs a minute to tune in, running the older saws i do miss just grabbing the screw driver and setting it in myself in the first cut, but it catches up quick and makes up for itself in fatigue and time as you go into the job.. it takes a minute and sometimes an idle (often when you grab a water or move some brush etc.. Even when I start out with the 44 or the 371 etc (not brand bias here, i have them all) by the time im 2 hours in im running the 500i everytime. Even find i put down the 395 and 661 in the stump for the weight loss when i get down to the big stuff for the 500i. My opinion as an amateur saw operator/collector and firewood guy is that the 500i has more versatility then the rest of them combined. Bought a second to play with and Hod rod as well since we keep comparing a stock saw (piped only) to the ported and modded saws by the legends here on all the videos. compare to stock 371?? sorry but no comparison to be made... right? lets hot rod one (which many have already done) and test away. its new technology, i have friends that are scared to tune a carb but have learned to use the 500i / many other new technologies. Learn your tools and how to use them, if your not interested in learning how IT works then don't buy it. Which i think Buckin does an amazing job of explaining here. its not for him, and it doesn't have to be!
I'd guess that eventually there will be aftermarket tuner modules (similar to those available for fuel injected cars and motorcycles) connected to a personal computer that will allow a skilled person to optimize the fuel map for performance vs emissions. Just a matter of time and if market demand exists for entrepreneurs in that field to take on the job.
On theory yes but on a chainsaw? You are 1000 times Better off swapping a traditional carburator to make It run better, Is not hard to set especially on a good fluidodynamically engine like that! Injection Is there only for emissions and fuel consumption but has Little sense overcomplicate a chainsaw
A good video. Agree about starting and running of these 'electric' saws. Never had problems with the old style ...with plug spanner and carb screwdriver you could rebuild the engine in the woods. My new Husqvarna 555 lovely balance, weight and to use (sad only takes a 20" bar tho) but when stopped after running, if don't restart straight away, leave it pick up another saw. Go back to it later. Frustrating. Manufacturers 'mended something that wasnt broke'. Very true about sharpening to suit you. Lets folk learn and use their feelings and senses and ....rely on their instincts. Sadly these things are becoming rare nowadays. I'm 68 and glad to say still learning. Thank you for sharing you knowledge and experience, it's appreciated 👍
Are you using the fast idle setting (pull the choke on then push the choke off but dont touch the throttle) for hot starts on the 555? The 550's wont start hot unless you set the fast idle, I bet the 555 is the same.
I bought the 500I and mine does not do that in any wood . I kind of feel like something is wrong with yours.. I am totally stock no mods muffler or otherwise. And a 25 in bar. I do hear the 4 stroke you have in videos. One thought is may have dirt around module connections. Not the expert but have heard that may cause issues.
So I definitely hear the difference and see the speed u gain in the husqvarna. Its not quite fair comparing the 2. Completely stock vs a hot saw. What would be the outcome if you port polish and do a competition muffler on the 500i. I have seen it done and they look pretty wicked. Just an observation. By the way I am biased to stihl. Been running them for 3 generations. Love your vids.
I’ve a 61 orange top I bought new in 1994’ It’s been a work saw, camp saw, go to saw and home saw all its life and has never let me down, it goes hard l, real hard for a small saw and I love it. Bought a 2nd hand 2012’ model 562xp it goes hard to I love it, hasn’t failed me yet but there’s something about that 61 feel I just find it so hard to put down and pick up something else. Mind you I now love my 592xp in the same kinda way and I’ve only had it for 6months, I wonder will i still feel the same in 28yrs with it? I understand old school I started on 090
My 500i cut 6 trailer loads of firewood Saturday. Was screaming a tune the whole time with that bark box. Love the saw. I understand your complaint but I only use it for dropping trees or firewood. Anything small I'll use smaller saws
I have a 460 purchased in March 2002 rebuilt x1 a few oil tanks and regular maintenance, (myself). The saw was $986 then. I still need to see how these saws perform in 5-10 yrs. I have my doubts but maybe. At $1,600 it's not for me and I looked at one yesterday. The 462 is $1,400.
Raffle is a great idea. It wouldn't be a saw I could really use but I'll bet there are plenty of people who would put it to work. I wonder if it needs warranty fuel delivery replacement though.
I totally get it...if you could manually adjust that 500i it might come to life. But as that saw is, Id hate it too. I'm a throttle blipper like BBR who likes to keep those revs up when limbing and you dont want that flat four stroking. I get it.
The M-Tronic reset absolutely has to be done on this saw and any M-Tronic equipped saw that’s had any mod done to it. 2-3 minutes and it’s a whole other saw.
I cut timber and clear land I use my saws all day every day. Been a Husqvarna guy for 25+ years. Bought a 461 a few years ago and liked it pretty decent. Fast forward to last year and got a 500i and I like the saw for felling as you say . Stihl just has never had the response and "pop"' of a Husky. Even my Stihl 800 blower just doesn't turn up like my Husky blower. I totally get what you are saying.
I feel the same way about the 500i. Its a great climbing saw for big wood, and felling. It lacks in the limbing department for sure. Plus im not a fan of things I cant adjust. I dont own one myself, but have one on the truck at work. Switch to my ms660 if there is a lot of smaller wood to be cut.
Can't say I've had that issue with my 500i, I'm not in the same sort of setting as you though, I just use mine for firewood processing. Where I am in Western Australia the wood is hard as hell and super dense, the 500i just eats it like nobody's business, mine is still totally stock apart from me opening up the gullet. Honestly I can't fault it, absolutely love my 500i
Buckin, Love your videos buddy, but refusing to take 90 seconds to tune the 500i I doesn't make much sense! As many times as I've seen you stand over a log with a screwdriver tuning the high and low side on a carb, The rationale you're using not to adjust the 500I is crazy based on the fact that it's just a different way of getting the same result you do by adjusting a jet on a carburetor. I think before this final chapter on the 500i is done maybe you should get Donnie Walker to show you how easy it is to do an auto-tune. Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying I like the old school way of doing things I have 16 McCulloch chainsaws and love every one of them like pieces of jewelry, but I think you should give it (500i) a fair shake.
💯 this here. New saw in less than three minutes! The M-Tronic hard reset has to be done since it’s been modded. It will run bananas once it’s accomplished!
Fortunately STIHL in their traditional line-up, they have both models! Mtronic or non-Mtronic. I just bought a brand-new Stihl 261 (20”) it is fantastic! NON-Mtronic model! 😊 When I do eventually get a big saw, I want a 462 NON-Mtronic as well. I love the ability for carb adjustment. These saws are also tuned great out of the box. Minor adjustment may be needed depending on where your saw was built and what state/country you live in.
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Just because someone says "it's not for me" that doesn't need to be interpreted as a knock against it. I love Stihl saws but I wouldn't want to be letting it idle for a computer to adjust settings either. That's not a knock - it's just something that I don't want to do. Why didn't they just put in a true Rev limiter instead of what they did? I don't know but they did the design.
I've got a few friends with the 500i and they love them, told me to buy one, I went and bought a 572xp and am pleased I did.
500i is a fine saw but it's not for me.
@@Darndiddlyarn why sir . the reasons here ? or others ?
this is exactly it brother you got it
Buckin is just an old school treeguy , and im the same way when u get used to certain things or use a certain saw or saddle or whatever u just stick with what works for u
@@garbizzi6868 well, there's a beauty in the manifestations of the genius inventions like carburetors, linkages, venturi tubes. Fuel injection, foe example, is a technological leap forward but it negates the beauty and the ingenuity of these things that were required to work together to make a carburetor.
It's the same as these fancy computer screen-like dash displays in cars & trucks. They are nice...but give me some analog speedo and tach, temperature gage, etc.
Most technology is some aspect of an advancement but often seems disrespectful to the genius which came before it.
I'm not even a luddite - I had a heat pump in 2008 when people were still asking what they were, but I find it easy to appreciate mechanical design which requires a harmony among many parts whereas some technological steps forward are really simpler than the predecessor and often unservicable.
Once again, the phrase of the day:
"It's just not for me."
I'll stick to the old school. I was working for a gal today and she told me I could work for her dads old tools if I wanted to instead of cash. I asked to take a look. At the back of the shop, there was a shiny yellow chainsaw. I almost ran over to it. Full wrap handlebar. Pro Mac 850 with zero road rash and compression like a brand new saw. I told her I'd like to work for that yellow chainsaw if she didn't mind. 😁😄😃 And now there is a new member of my chainsaw family!
I would have done the same, nice find!
Congrats
Make a video of it
@@brandonwood1397 Not a bad idea, man. I haven't uploaded in a while.
I have a mac mini, great saw
I'll try to explain what's going on here without too many words. The sound you hear isn't 4 stroking. It sounds like really bad 4 stroking but it isn't. Anyone new that is wondering, 4 stroking is basically the sound of incomplete combustion. Usually this happens a little at the top of revs when the carb is either just right or really badly when the carb is rich. Hard to explain with letters but sort of a baaAAA...
On this saw what you hear is a rev limiter. It is causing incomplete combustion on purpose to limit over revving. The issue is that the saw has lots of power so when Billy cuts the little limbs there isn't enough load on the saw to stop it from over revving and so the saw kicks in the rev limiter cutting spark. As he leans harder on it or cuts big chunks it pulls down the revs enough to not over rev at full squirt and so it cleans up and just pulls hard.
The thing is, when you get used to tuning with your ear to have just a little hint of 4 stroking, the sound it makes is really annoying. It sounds like the carb really needs to be tuned badly but you can't do that. So it's a bit like nails on a chalkboard (for anyone old enough to know what that is) and it is irritating to listen to and not correct. I'm sure some get used to it, or like Billy said they just bury the bar in big chunks and don't have to hear it.
Hope this makes sense. Love you Buckin, keep up the great work and positive attitude!!!
Yea the new huski has more power and it doesn’t do it
This is beautifully put , I don’t like it ,, thx ol boy , I’m no mechanic but it sounds just like the old saws when their dull or to fat ,, 4 stroking is a term o never heard til RUclips lol
Thank you for this post. This explains why they stink so bad when limbing. Wonder if they could bump the limiter up a touch? Or instead of cutting spark, cut fuel? I would like to know too how often they need a hard reset versus tuning on the go?
These newer saw sometime need to be recalibration sometimes for height elevation and atmospheric changes. Have you tried doing the procedure in the owners manual? It will fix the issues you are having.
Nice explanation here simply put ! This is what I love about RUclips there are so many people that have knowledge and are willing to share ! It’s just hard sometimes weeding through the bser’s who don’t have a clue lol !
You are honestly the only person i know who explains the fourstroke thing one the smaller wood!
Love your videos!!!!
BUT...
I can't go to the store and buy a saw from 1974. Love that you have them and keep them going!!!
i have zero interest in becoming a saw "tuner". I sharpen my saws with a round file. Averge-ish skill level.
I need it to start when I pick it up.
I'm not cutting wood as a hobby or to make my living. I make firewood, operate a campground... Its the Gravy...
I bought a 500i this spring. Its amazing!!!! Game changer... Punches well above its weight.
Hope this video hasn't discouraged too many people from buying one...
The Stihl 400 and 500i's may be the dying gasp of gas saws...
Me and the guys on the wildland fire crew love your videos! Get the gullet!!
We started running 500i this year and they are everything you said, hard charging and light, but as the season progressed somewhat problematic and unreliable.
Love your videos my friend!
Mine did this when new, was frustrating, even worrisome. But it outgrew it or 'broke in'. It is an incredible saw now. No issues. I dont let it idle before shutting off like everyone says either. It seems there's a bunch of varying ways they run. I have a second one spoken for a the dealer, i like it so much
Here in Western Australia we have jarrah for firewood, some super hard stuff! And the 500i just shreds it! Iv tried 362, 661 and an old 088 and the 500 just leaves them for dead! Would recommend the 500 every day of the week 🤙🏾⚡️
Yer I’m in WA too - my 500 in jarrah def doesn’t make wacky sounds - just cuts and is a lot lighter than the other saws around the same power…. But I’m not a power saw connoisseur…..I’m only new to it all but again love my 500 after a year of having it.
that kind of wood is where the 500i will shine, dogged in and chewing through dense/hard wood..... considering that Jarrah was once cut into blocks and covered in asphalt for making roads I'd say it is hard! hahaha
@79Luca79 could be on to something there mate 😂🤙🏾
Watching your vids and a few other West Aussies- reckon the 500i is what Ill end up with. Did you end up getting a 25 inch bar for it? Great Vid too, by the way Buckin Billy Ray, hope the young bloke makes a full recovery too.
I'll raise your Jarrah, I'm in the Goldfields and cutting Salmon Gum and Blackbutt... damn hard stuff, the 500i loves it 👌
Good morning Buckin', I love the content and enjoy the channel. I'm not sure how long I've been watching but it's been quite a few years. I respect that the new technology isn't for you but not allowing the saw to retune by putting it through the retune cycle is the equivalent of not readjusting a carburetor that is out of tune. If one of your old Macs were out of tune, you'd adjust it in a heartbeat and the 500i requires the same love just a different process to get it there. Thank you for all of the content and the positivity that can brighten anyone's day!
I totally agree with you on the 4 stroking of the 500i... That would drive me bananas...Like you said, it'll work out better in the bigger wood but I prefer the old school saws as well. Thanks for sharing Buckin!
I know what you mean. I'm gold level Stihl rated but very old school. I'm running three 020AV top handles as well as an 041AV and a couple of S10s. Just put a new cylinder on one and it's great. Stihl is doing some funky things with the computer and fuel control to keep the thing from over reving and blowing to bits. I agree with you it feels a little wierd at light load. I'll probably won't ever get used to the feel of it or that when it is sick, I get to talk to it with a laptop. I love the channel and the message you bring to the viewers. Keep up the good work!
Technology mate, fiddling around with a screwdriver and tuning to "sound" and feel is a thing of the past those old avs only belong in a muesium
@@rayban5737 i hope you tryna be funny, because stihl only does m-tronic and 500i and verry few moddles, on the USA site, in the Profesional category they even say in the description on the MS 661 magnus "This chainsaw features a simple, proven, and non-electronic design" . So no, stihl just gave electronics a try on some, but their top Profesional category they still say loud and Proud that they used electronic free design, keeping the carburetor in use. Having a problem with solenoids or electronics Chips for some dude that live out in the wild, having to send the chainsaw for repair for weeks its a no-no. Thats why Stihl only made 500I like this in the "Big" class. Cheer
Personally Billy, I think it’s psycological for you…
1) It’s new… possibly the future for saws.
2) it’s not carbureted!
3) you can’t set or tune it, which frustrates you.
4) it’s not an old Mac
I’m old school too… so I get it, but that is a mean saw for cutting, unparalleled!
Wise words sir! Apreciate it!
You can tell he’s stuck in the past. His saws and trucks, all carbureted. He doesn’t like change.
you missed the main point though. It's just like new cars. They're great until they break down and then they need somebody with a laptop, and a degree in electrical engineering to fix. The old stuff runs a bit edgy but you can fix it. Let's see how many new saws can still run like a boss after 30 years like the old ones do. The old stuff (cars and saws) fetches big money comparatively speaking for a reason. Anything at all I can't fix or tune myself frustrates me as well because when you live in the middle of nowhere you better be able to fix your gear.
@@hogansmith7075 I agree 100%. I made the comment because Im actually older than Bucking Billy, & as you get older, you get set in your ways. Now, I’m definitely a Sthil guy, was the first new saw I bought 35 years ago… but when you get used to something, it’s hard to accept change or even feel comfortable with it. My comment wasn’t a slam at Billy, but rather one of empathy, as I can relate to his ideals. Thank you for the spelling lesson… I never was good at spelling! 🙏
@@bushmanphotos wise words 2.0
I own 2 Stihls MS361 & MS 362C. I would never own any other. What 1st sold them on me was the dealer. He sold both Stihl and Husqvarna and he use to sell Homelite. When I 1st went to him I was undecided and ask the dealer what he thought. He took me into his repair shop and it was almost 3 to 1 Husqvarna there to be repaired. My oldest Stihl was almost 20 years old and fired on the 1st or 2nd pull until my brother dropped a tree on it. Welcome my MS362C. I have never had issues with either saw. They cut like a dream.
When Husky are 3 to 1 in the repair shop that says a lot honestly.
Try the new ms400 i do not even use the ms362s any more.For what i do, i love that ms400!
@@andrewslagle1974 they're the best saw on the market in my opinion. My neighbor has one, they're also the best looking saw made in my opinion
Buckin. I have a stihl 462 with a 28” and 32” bar with a bark box, and yes she cuts. We all have different preferences in saws. My first saw was a poulon, still have it, couple stihls, and a really nice Mac 10-10 A, that is an awesome saw, starts better than any other one I own. Keep it coming buddy. ❤️
Hay BUCKIN unfortunately computers are here to stay and gaining acceptance in all fields. You old appliances would last 25 to 30 years, we bought a new fridge and stove 5 years ago and the fridge has not worked 100% for 31/2 years and I had to repair the stove twice in the last 4 years, All computer related. As a mechanic for close to 30 years I know cars ,trucks ect are no different, we now live in a disposable world where we accept that the $ 70,000 vehicle we just bought won't likely last 10 years!! Very few products are meant to be repaired, you just go and get a new version at thr store. Sad but a fact . Love your great attitude, keep on keeping on. Cheers.
Been watching you for years Billy! Love your passion for doing a good job every time. Nothing better then hearing a vid start with "hi friends" Hope your back has been doing better these days 🙏 as Vancouver Island boy myself, thanks for all your outdoor tips!
I haven't noticed mine four stroking yet. Only had it a few months but have cut a reasonable amount of varying sized wood, always try and keep the chain super sharp on all my saws. I always start my saw and let it idle while I put my chaps on so maybe that habit is helping the 500i. Love your channel keep up the good work.
ill giver the reset,, thx
Sounds like it needs a larger injector. I know that’s probably not possible, but the computer can advance as much as it wants and that won’t make the nozzle larger for more volume. I’m sure it’s a great saw, but I’m with you. I’ll stick to my old 440’s and 372’s, throw in a 288 once in while. Great video as always. I love watching northwest tree cutting.
When you run on methanol you need bigger fuel supply going through the system. Bigger carbs, bigger fuel pipes to match the flow of fuel and bigger injectors- you can get it done. You’d need a tap and dye possibly but there could be someone who can do it for you somewhere. Perhaps someone near bye does drag racing or runs hot saws and could help out. All the best.
I’ve sold a few dozens of these and this honest opinion is so valuable to me. I’ve referenced your videos to several guys looking into newer saws.
I wouldn't use the 500 for trimming either. It's to heavy. I grab a 261 for that. Way to go donating to a good cause! Thanks for the learning videos!!
I bought a 500i, because BBR said it was good. I love mine, use it for firewood. Best decision I have ever made. I wanna get a barkbox and different dog teeth for it. Thinking about using it for a small mill infact.
At some point it isn't about the spec sheets and online "fads", the definition of "right saw for me" is simply what you like to run. Hard to beat a done right 372 :)
372. Your right. You are so right. 372. The perfect saw
Absolutely!
Agreed, Ive got the right 372 for me and the right wife for me.
I think the 572xp will outshine the 372xp by a fuzz when done up right. Very smooth saw and a pleasure to run. It does have the autotune vs the carb so not for everyone
@@fabzacres-blackcat Maybe but some folks just like the carbs and the ability to tweak and tune. My 565 put my 572 in the retirement home. No real tech reason why other than it feels smaller & lighter. Not as snappy but has enough azz to pull a 28inch bar in my woods. My favorite 372 build actually starts with the 48mm top end :) Point? For me it's not about numbers and specs. its about feel. I happen to like my 48's as they rev quick with "lightened" flywheels & vibrate less. :) NO one else on the online planet would agree I'm sure :) Buckin loves those yellow "plagues :)" but its real and I happen to really appreciate that about him. I like the red ones. It's about work but even more about "smiles" .
Id love to have the saw but man, i cut a lot of wood for the winter time but nothing so big to even think about having that saw I'll just stick with my Stihl 120 lol. BUT i do want to get one of your axes or axe handles you make. Those are sweet. One day when i can save some cash i will get in touch. Love watching your video and have learned so much for watching. Keep em coming friend.
I see what you mean, she almost sounds like your reving her with the chain break on like it’s waiting to get out of the box but she’s being held back. There’s no song just an almost nasal noise like it’s caught a cold or something. I love the idea of you raffling her off to some one that would like a new type saw, plus you could help someone with the proceeds.
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My friend, I have to say that I have been beyond pleased with my 500i. It is about 2 years old now. You know what my property is..... Tons of hardwood trees. I really don't use it much for limbing,, but I've not had any issues with the 4 stroking in the smaller wood.
In so many ways, I'd liken it to a very high quality pair of shoes or boots. They just will not fit everyone.
Love you all...❤❤❤
Lieutenant Bradley
Me too also been running the 500i for 2 years now 🙂
I love my 500i. Most used of my 3 work saws. John's custom saws talks about how bad the pistons are. Look into it.
Awesome channel, you've made work so much easier.
You can't mention John on various platforms... people get butt hurt.
John is absolutely 💯% without any doubt correct about the 500i pistons... they are ALL OVER the place with their dimensioning. Tossing a 660 piston in a 500i with a little port work and getting the piston to fit over the small end of the rod makes the 500i an absolute monster for the size of the saw.
@@RichFife they are good saws.. but you can tell by the sound of them even in the cut and sharp.. without that carb.. they sound sloppy.. :/ we like two strokes mayneee!
@@dillgross6758 get one that's worked. 💪 I honestly wasn't a fan of a stock 500i... mainly because of the reasons listed in the other comments... then I did a hybrid build... now, it's one of my favorite saws for power to weight ratio.
I agree. Nobody in my local area ports saw. I may install a 660 piston in mine.
@@RichFife When I buy a saw.. I just want to cut though man.. :/ I don't want to do crazy mods to every single saw.. my 572xp stock is a hot rod saw. 32" bar.. just ripping into massive fir, straight out the box. Plus the wear and tear I've seen go down to my brother in laws 572.. I'll only reach for a husky when doing serious work, Lol
thanks for your video. does your 371xp exhaust push the HP up or it's only for heat dissipation and noise ? thanks !!
I’ve worked with 3-4 other fallers that have gone over to the 500i, they all seem to love the weight and power of them but there’s something about them that I’m not into. I too prefer a manual carb, I’ve got an mtronic 261c and it’s been awesome but my 365 xtorq and 372xpg’s are still my main saws at work. Picked up an old 066 off a buddy and I’m digging that as well.
For a brand new saw it sure seems to be the go to buy for full time guys. I've got a 500i but still like to run my 372 and 660 even if the 500 could replace both.
@@7eis we definitely still love the 660/661c.. that 500i is nice, but I don't love the av system.
I've got the whole Stihl quiver 880's,660,460's ..my 460 with a bark box and square ground chain is my favourite ..Last week a friend let me use his 500i ... its incredible ... I'm not going to rush out and buy 1 but its the way the world is moving ... I can understand BBR's he's a husky / McCulloch man and good for him, its what he knows and loves.
We’ll not only that you put the huski 592 against this it out cuts it and doesn’t have these finicky problems
More people need to be old school! Always enjoy what you have to say about various power saws. 💪💪
Well said Richard.. 😁👍
Hey Buckin, i need a biger saw for our Oaks, and the Neighborhood.
I do this stuff now free like you.
You keep my going!
Much Love from Bavaria!!!
Not sure that was a fair comparison what would the 500 do if it was tuned and ported like your hot rod saws. Kind of like comparing pro stock to a street rod. Love your channel and content.
I’ve seen a 592xp smoke that 500 and the 500 had a bark box
its not about a comparison of the 2 saws its about how the 500 runs the computer for the efi is the problem
Exactly
I've got buddies that have ported 500is and ported 461s 661s 660s 066s. The 500i is not a heavy hitter. I've only been around mildly modded ones, but my mildly modded 390xp had the 500i looking like a mustang that showed up to a tractor pull.
@@Apalm12 592 is also a bigger saw
In the cut around 3:48, watch the corner of the garage's smaller door (the red frame in the background) and you'll see that slight movement he's talking about.
The 500i is a beautiful machine. It's just doing things that you don't expect with the new technology and throwing you off on the sound. If the engine is too big for the job and has to throttle down to not over-rev, maybe you've got the wrong tool for the job
Or you need to learn throttle control?
You don't have to run wide open throttle all the time, when I'm going through the little limbs I barely crack the throttle on my 500i, have never had a problem with it .
As with most things when they change, often their needs to be a user adjustment too to get the best results. 👍
@@danieledwards1081 except that with 2 stroke equipment you do have to run full throttle for the air to fuel mixture to be correct and keep it lubricated properly
@@adammiller8415 no you don't, not if it's properly tuned, also the 500i is electronically fuel injected, it has sensors to make sure it's injecting the correct amount of fuel depending on engine speed and load
@@danieledwards1081 As a small engine mechanic yes you have to run 2 strokes wide open. ive rebuilt a few hundred from dumbasses constantly running them half throttle and destroying them
@@adammiller8415 well I can't say I've ever hurt a 2 stroke running at part throttle... I guess we all have differing experiences and opinions hey
Hey Buckin , i feel your pain on the new saw. That 4 strokin is pretty normal every saw should 4 stroke & jump like a jelly bean, thats a good running 2-stroke. M-Tronic & 500i have a carb reset which should be performed after exhaust modification.
I have ran nothing but stihl all my life but bought my 390xp almost 2 years ago and man let me tell you! I love cutting with my 390xp it’s way smoother and just cuts nice! All day cutting I love my husky! Sorry to hear about hogans buddy! Wish you good health and happiness buddy ✊🏽
Man I've been wanting to get a 390xp but I can't justify spending the money. When I got my 281xp it was the same way I wanted a 288xp but some people said the power difference isn't enough to worry about so I never got one. I have to keep reminding myself a couple Stihl 044s and the 281xp will handle anything I got to cut. But a man always wants more chainsaws. Haha
@@scottw.2450 how many 044’s u have? That may be the right price for me to get rid of that 390 hahah 044 is my all time favorite saw
I've got two, one set up for falling with a wrap handle the other with a half wrap for cutting stumps. I've had and run quite a few Stihls and the 044 is the only one I liked good enough to keep. Except my dad's 036 pro. It would not be easy to part with either of my 044s. Good work saws. Maybe you'll find one. They're still around.
I'm watching some older videos...I only jumped on board a month ago...my brother firefighter and sawyer turned me on...
Who can afford a brand new saw...I buy and keep old ones
I wish you would do a show on just different chain types and uses...after 50 years of this I would love your perspective
You da man!
Thank you for sharing all this great information! I am new to the saw game. I am trying to tame the back 7 acres of my little farm. Its old growth Osage orange hedge and variety of huge old oaks. A few of the oaks have fallen due to being taken over by grape vine. I am in eastern ks. Picked up a farm boss and thought I had a big saw.. lol I really enjoy cutting though and appreciate all the knowledge you're giving. I had no idea there was so much to learn. Really interested in picking up a larger saw after seeing your technique. Thanks again Billy!!
Chapeu bas Mr Buckin Ray! What a control and feeling of the tree. I cut for a living but everytime I get stunned what you do
500i is the best saw I've used but old school is nice too. I guess that's nice to have both worlds. Then again in Europe we use lighter and smaller saws, for example that tree is a job for Stihl261 or Husqvarna 550. Even these are too big for that small tree.
Bigger is better here in AMERICA, it may take longer with a smaller saw, but the smaller saw is lighter and easier on your body in the long haul, I see guys limbing like he was with MS250 and they run awesome when set up properly, stay strong guys
I can confirm. I run a MS661 and my local shop never have any spare parts for it in stock because almost no one runs big saws in Sweden, it's basically only guys doing chainsaw milling and arborists for felling those old and big oak trees.
I've really come around to the stand up and buck philosophy. I find myself reaching more and more for my MS661 rather than my 550XP. I did a tree-job for a guy last weekend(felled a dead pine tree with heavy side lean over buildings), and I basically only used the 550 to do the bore cut because of the short and narrow bar with low kickback chain makes it like a surgeon's tool. The rest of the job, I only used the 661.
@@skitidet4302 I have many saws and unfortunately Husqvarna and stihl are not my favorites I have echoes I have efco I have dolmars Dolmar is my favorite but I do have a little efco 52 with a 24-in bar and that thing just runs awesome, I've been running bars lately anywhere from 24 to 36-in even though 36 is a little heavy on the nose I do love using them, don't forget the fact of when you drop a tree that you can use a pole saw the cut up the small branches you never have to bend over that way it's like running a string trimmer, works pretty awesome my back always says thank you when I do it.
@@cargotoolshop5319 Well, by European standards, you are still running big saws with big bars.
Keep in mind that the "little" efco 52 is a midsized saw in Europe, but with a 24" guide bar, that's way bigger than the 13" or 15" bar that you would normally see on your "standard" 50cc saw here. People consider mounting an 18" bar to a 50cc as really pushing it.
Normal fellers usually never go above 20" here, even if they get a big saw. For example, I've seen lots of people run 20" bars on a 500i.
@@cargotoolshop5319 ..looks like bigger is better in Canada as well..🙂
I’ve never used an 500i but I just got a ms661c which does the same four stroking while limbing a large post oak the other day. Was running a 36 inch bar and ran out of gas at the 40 inch plus part of the tree. The temperature had reached about 95 degrees here in the south so I decided to wait for a cooler day to find out how it does in the big stuff.
Mine does same thing. No point refueling that hot, it won't restart anyway.
Have you done the M-Tronic reset on it?
@@chadbrewer6882 I've only reset it twice. May start resetting it every time I mix a new batch.
Huh I’ve got the 400c And I run it all day with a 25” and I put a 8 tooth sprocket on it and it rips but I’ve never had starting issues and I’ve put countless tanks through it
Oh God listen to this stuff.. my 500I never fails to start ,THAT AINT 4 STROKIN MY GOD that is what's gonna keep that stihl for your grandchildren. Husqvarna will be doing it soon the Swedish are behind a few years that's OK us stihl guys know that it's only pity we have fir ya..
Maybe to be more fair n honest you should get the 500i ported n modifie exhaust then compare the two saws again to be more honest and fair
Good suggestion, id like to see that myself
Good morning Buckin, I don't have chainsaws anymore but I understand what you are saying, I remember back when they changed automobiles to all that new stuff and the average guy couldn't work on them anymore, I'm old school myself, but maybe that 500i is more for the weekend warriors that only cut firewood on the weekends and don't have to worry about the jet adjustments on the chainsaws, getting them to lean or to fat. But as far the sound the old saw sounds better. I always enjoy your output on things. See you in your next video.
I got a 500i, best saw I've ever ran and I've run about everything there is. I can't stand the sound of a ported engine and a bark box is about the trashiest thing I've ever listened to. The 500i was literally made to run stock because it already is powerfull, cuts fast, idles beautifully, and sounds like what a chainsaw should sound like right off the stihl dealership shelf. She definitely has her quirks as my lady stihl can be a bit moody sometimes but overall a great saw and to each their own. Btw love the dominoes felling in other vids.
What's your thoughts on the Stihl MS362 carb. version? Was gonna get a Husky 562XP. I'm not crazy about M-Tronic or Auto Tune though.
You are right,those new farm tractors with all the electric controls are broke down constantly.
Love my Ms 461 25 inch bar! 6 years and still a beast!
Ya , I can hear it and ive felt it on the 500s . I prefer to grab my super light 261 for the liming
The way you tinker with the old saws and being able to sharpen them they do the job just fine. I like the challenge of making something old do the job. Cheers my friend
That saw sounds Saweeeet!
The 500is when worked are insanely awesome. But, I understand where you are coming from... I kinda like the new muscle cars but in my mind, I'd much rather have an old school late 60xs - early 70's muscle car... the looks, the feel... the new cars with their electronics is great... until they go bad. Give me the old and call me a stick in the mud.
You old stick in the mud, I've got half a nerve to call your neighbors in you. Then shake my fist angrily while saying I can't argue with my wife with all the noise you're making with those Got Damn saws!
Yes but the huski 592xp worked is even better
@@Apalm12 I can't speak about the 592... i have no experience with it... but, imo that 592 should out work and pull more chain than the 500i due to the cc gap.
YEP and no bloody computers
I hear the difference and see the difference but how would it do ported and custom exhaust
I’m surprised there aren’t any aftermarket programmers for auto tune saws. It seems like they should be very tunable with the right hardware and software. Not to mention with the 500i doesn’t the CPU control not only high/low and idle but timing as well? I searched google everywhere for aftermarket tuners and there is not even conversations about it I always wondered why.
Put a carb on it
@@mikem5475 yeah I prefer a standard carb. Just think the 500i would be better if guys could hook up to them and tune them through the cpu.
@@mikem5475 Yea even if you could, you'd lose the snappiness and hp. Why would anyone want that? Just buy a 462 with regular carb lol smh.
Probably need a "new" hardware to do this. I imagine the firmware is wrapped up tighter than a John Deere.
@@mattfleming86 yeah people say you can hack anything, well yes, for a price. You want your car tuned? $800 tuning software that decrypts the computer of the machine, running on a $400 laptop, with a $100 subscription to the software, and all with a middle aged man who spent years of his life learning the nuances of the software
Noob question but do you think changing the sprocket would help keep that thing from bogging
I've got to be honest Buck, I'm not just sure what we're talking on here. I know what 4 stroking is but the 500i I run at work has the stock muffler on so I'm struggling to hear what you're talking about - I'm watching on a phone too so maybe that's it? I try to keep my saw cutting like a razor but I have noticed you can stop her in the cut sometimes but I always just figured it was getting bogged rather than 4 stroking. Again, maybe I'm wrong here I'm just trying to learn more. I'm mostly cutting with a diddy little 20 inch bar or a 25" but that's just the way it is in Europe. We're cutting all sorts though, lots of limbing and chipper work as well as felling 20-30" Pine for weeks at a time.
I know this though, I'd take my modded 461 I use for the firewood over it if the boss would let me but it's "use what you're given ONLY" so that's that.
Stay safe boss!
Hey Buckin’ I’m looking to get into the world of classic/vintage power saws but have no idea where to start. What would be your advice or recommendation?
Gordy of Westcoastsaw sells bolt on replacement upgrade parts for the 500i . Antone Schlager runs a west coast redwood logging company .. Guilty of Treeson just did a series with Antone and Gordy . He says he upgraded his 500i a year ago and its a completely different saw that does nothing but eat . He is an impressive faller Billy , and he knows his gear . I'm also for a raffle I can enter and if I won would pass on the saw to a friend who would use it .
He’s also a sthil fanboy he’s already said that. Stock for stock the huski 592xp out cuts the 500 and with the same work done it def out cuts it
@@Apalm12 but, the 500i is also a lot lighter than the 592xp, that’s like comparing apples to oranges.
@@Apalm12 the 500i is an 80cc saw the 592 is a 92 cc saw ...so the 592 is mire copareable to a 660/661 ....the 500i is an in between ... i actually love build 70cc saws (372/572/460/461/461CM ) over the 500 because they are ligther and if build decently strenger than a stock 500 ....
@@williamhuhman7516 an the 500 has 10cc less then the 592 also
A 592 is mire like the counter to the 600 class from stihl
You cut faster with the 500i but it doesn't have that ol familiar sound and feel. I get that. Those modified huskies are amazing to watch you run
I'd be more than happy to throw 10 - 20 bucks to have a chance to win that saw. Especialy if the money goes to something good.
Buckin billy ray, I am stoked on coming across your channel in my feed. My old man and his buddies used to talk about how amazing you were at falling.
My experience on the 500i, having owned one and ran three others, is they are annoying to start. Sometimes they fire right up, but other times you have to pump up the fuel pressure, pull a few strokes, and repeat 3 or 4 times to get it to idle. There's no choke or fast idle lever, just a fuel pump and kill button.
The power to weight ratio is great, and the handling is good, but starting turns me off. Compared to a 592 that has always started easily.
I took care of the 4 stroking on my 500i with an 8 tooth sprocket for about 6 bucks, tried everything. Was very frustrating considering the $1600 price tag
The 500i the best rear handle I’ve run up in the tree when chunking out big pines. Power to weight ratio is a huge ordeal. Easy starting is another.
Could putting the bark box on before breaking saw in, cause issues?
I don't believe so my 500s have BarkBox right away and I love them just my opinion though
@@br-dj2ti I love mine too. I kept it stock and it sounds way better than the one bucking is running. I’m no tech, it was just a thought.
@@ShortBusEnduro yeah definitely I mean it can be possible I guess mine have been fine so far LOL
I still think the 462 as an all round package is better than the 500i but it won’t be long till they get the 500 right, i run the 462 bark box steady and it doesn’t ever mess me around
Hey buckin I just got a McCulloch 250 any pointers about do or don’t?
Just a few thoughts as a mechanic, I have wondered about the fuel injection on some of these things. Lets think for a moment the 373 is ported and polished chambered exhaust and likely been retimed. So it comes alive instantly but the injection on the new systems without the ability to retune the electronics it is futile to port or chamber it. It will never come alive like the carburetored 372. Its a program issue 🤷♂️
The 500i is a fantastic saw in it’s own right , many swear by ‘em - many swear at ‘em. As “state of the art” as the saw appears to be I just have to wonder is fuel-injection even necessary in a chainsaw ??? I have some autotune,mtronic and manually adjustable carburetor versions and so far they’ve all treated me kindly. The issue is, should the saw need service, expensive diagnostic costs ensue whereas the manual adjustable carb version can be repaired by the sawyer or if a new carb is warranted easily replaced. It appears there is a lot of new products like this where the customer is now beholden to the manufacturers and simply cannot affect repairs himself … Ol school saws vs modern come up a bit short stock for stock in the wood as it seems the modern saws are “hotter” right off the dealers shelf. A lot of the old school saws make that deficit up once with exception of 372xp vs 572xp with the new version being a fuzz stronger 😎
As fun as it is to hate new tech there is no competition to how much a 500 comes alive when built right. A 462 or 661 will have considerable improvements and husky s feel similar, when a 500i gets ported and polished it turns into a built 661 power wise and weighs a half pound more than a 462. I'm not a mechanic but when Gordy from westcoast saw switches to one along with all of his customers who can afford one it's obvious that saw is nuts. Also the 500i literally takes less than 10 seconds to perfectly adjust itself to a bark box or any exhaust mod.
If you really don't like it try running some tests with someone who had one built vs a built 661.
@@boxocrackers557 ANY saw will come alive when built , some moreso than others. An built 064 will absolutely STOMP all over that 500i and use less fuel to boot😉. I think the 500i is a fantastic saw but I also question the need for fuel injection on a chainsaw , as unlike the system on a fuel injected vs carbureted vehicle , the 500i the air/fuel mix goes directly into the crankcase just like on a carbureted saw. The autotune/mtronic saws run very well and that’s as far as new tech needs to go for cutting wood 🪵imho. In fact adjustable carburetor versions are available if desired so demand is there for these old school saws. The issue that a lot of us see is that with this “new tech” ( and not just chainsaws - see John Deere suit) is that manufacturers require the customer to pay for repairs exclusively thru THEIR repair division (or manufacturer approved repair centers) essentially creating a monopoly on these repair services. I mean cmon, it’s a freakin CHAINSAW that fells trees and cuts wood for crying out loud! No need to over engineer it such that the customer cannot even fix his/her own saw ! Also the air filtration is subpar with the 500i - unacceptable for a $1500 saw.
@@fabzacres-blackcat air filtration is crap, also, it’s tough to make these comparisons. The 064 is an 85(?) cc saw, this is 79 cc, there’s no replacement for displacement when it comes to something this small. The 500i shines compared to the 064 for being very comparable in output and being much much lighter in weight. Just making it a nicer user experience. And if you run them daily you feel it.
@@hopkinstreeexperts759 Yah , a few more lbs, ounces is the price you pay for an old-school pre-epa saw that flat out rips imho. I’ve got an 064 that’s over 25 YEARS OLD that’ll put a big grin on your face everytime you use it and it’s easily serviced. Will the 500i be around 25years from now ? 🤷♂️ California is looking to ban gas-powered outdoor equipment (chainsaws included) by 2024 so we may see a move to electric saws (oh boy) or back to the axe and misery whip. I saw this all comin YEARS ago and prepped accordingly 😀
I'm stihl trying to work out what you mean? It looked to cut the same? Is it the noise the limiter makes? Is it limiting chain speed when unloaded, because of the computer trying to be clever? Did it bog when you start the cut? I can imagine some things like that with efi but I can't tell much from the noise.
I have one saw, my Husky 550XP, all the saw you'll ever need.
Billy I have a poulan I had it since 1997 it was 50 year special edition. 20 inch bar. Last time it was used was 2012. It's been sitting every since. I ran the gas out before I put it up and took the bar and chain off . And put it up in a case and it's been sitting on the self since. What do I do to it now
Thanks for the fun videos! I've recommended you to both of my sons who are also power saw guys! I know you love to do fine adjustments on the carb while on the job and I, as do many others, marvel at your touch. You know your saws well and know how to get the most out of them. I only wish I had that touch. So I guess I can see why you don't like a saw that attempts to do all of that for you. It surely takes some of the fun out of things. Nevertheless, I'm puzzled why you are so against letting the saw do it's thing. It's a simple, straight-forward process clearly explained in the manual, that takes less than a minute. I know you spend as much time or more with your little screw driver adjusting things yourself. So why not give it a chance. It seems like you are intentionally hampering the performance of the saw by refusing to do the effortless task of letting it adjust the carb to your particular setting. Now, I'm not saying that I know for sure that doing so will eliminate the problems you are experiencing, but why not at least find out?
My only question would be if you ported and hopped the 500i up the same as your 372s would it be better?
There almost comes a point on certain things where the product was made to be the ABSOLUTE best that the company could achieve. This was a time where if you didnt make a product that worked and was reliable your Reputation was on the line... The older huskys are awesome. Screamers and reliable. The new saws are nice but how good can a saw be. The old saws sometimes are just as good OR better in some cases then the current offerings..
Just because the advertisement says "New! and Improved!" doesn't mean it is or that it works better. Computer controls on everything, give possibility but like on autos, when something goes bad you can't fix it at the side of the road. Chainsaws? My opinion, simple is better. A carb you can adjust as needed with just a screwdriver or rebuild out on a job if needed.
Old saws can be dog shit bad as well.... just because it was made so many years ago don't make it a "screamer" or better..... the one thing older saws have going for them is that they can be made to be screamers and out perform newer saws....
If there was a way to get a "brand new" old school saw off the shelf and a new saw off the shelve and put them head to head, the new saw would win every time....
I really like it for bringing down wood while climbing. I don’t do much for bucking with it on the ground, but i see what your are saying with the difference in sound at the beginning of the cut. Probably not best as a limbing and bucking saw. As a climbing saw for dropping logs the power:weight ratio can’t be beat. In my opinion. Great video. Loved the beginning bit on adding forward weight on a back weighted tree!
I love all the videos and VERY useful info. I just bought a house with approx 30 (mostly sweet gum) trees that need to go. I bought a MS462. I used your advice and bought a (longer) 28" bar. I must say, I love that saw. What do you think about the new M-Tronic compared to that 500i? Thank you for all you've taught me. I love the content. I WANT AN AXE!!! :)
Have a MS462 too, and really can’t fault it, fantastic saw
I have 2 MS 462's and absolutely love them!
glad you are finding something here friend
Got a 441that I ported the muffler on and no 4stoke it sings nicely
You should have gotten a husky 372 you fool
Thanks for sharing that info Buckin. The Ole 72 is rippin and has awesome response. Love it. Love ya brother. 🌲❤️🌲👊🪓
I hear the difference for sure. What is happening is the saw is accelerating to get to full rpms but fattens up to not over rev at. Watching you work it doesn’t look like it’s holding/slowing you up but only you could say so. Potentially you could run a larger sprocket to get more chain speed. I think it’s more of a stihl trait to be more torque oriented than have that snap like you like. At the end of the day it’s up to you what you want to do. I like the raffle ideas because someone will win a nice saw and helping charities is always good. I have a 500i and I haven’t even did the bark box cover yet. For me it’s a great saw. I also have a 562 and I like it as well. I have a bunch of classics in my collection!
I saw a post where someone installed a bark box and it actually reduced the cutting speed of the 500i.
I really don't see the problem with the 500i. Sure, there is a rev limiter, but I think it is literally impossible for a 2-cycle engine to 4-stroke. For that to happen, the spark plug would have to mfire only once every two revolutions, and the fuel delivery system would have to follow the 4-cycle regimen. In any case, comparing a hot roddded saw to a stock saw is not quite fair. Thos who have modded a 500i get even more power.
@@gorned999 it’s just a figure of speech. It doesn’t actually for stroke it’s just the burble noise that it makes at high rpm. If you lean it out to lean the it “screams” the rpm’s pick up and the burble goes away. Also you will melt your piston or otherwise damage the engine. Buckin has a video on tuning with an old McCullough where he shows the difference between the 2
I guess what I c here is a 50's something running a 500i as a limbing saw & quick rev's is key. 500i is as u say great in the wood. So, it probably cuts in the wood close to a 661. But for limbing, I don't need a 25" bar or the weight that goes w/a 500i. And of course we port & bark box work to tweet out a little more. But, this sounds like quick rev's. So, 500i is 10,000rpm. And u don't need 65cc+/- for limbing anywho. The chain & response in the wood 500i great. Limbing....eh..
It's like bullets out of a 6.5 creed vs 300w mag. Who carries a 300w mag for white tail, blacktail, etc. Who argues hunting w/a 6.5 creed for moose/elk?
My point. Give yourself 5-7 years & the 500i will be for just in the wood. You'll slow down to match the saw. Appreciate all these videos & learning opportunities.
Be blessed.
Ms 400 doing exact same thing. In substaintal wood its great, but limbing or small stuff it 4 strokes, took it to stihl and they said it was a loose connection, fixed the connection still does same thing. With the 3.0 version mtronic if you let it idol for 30 secs choked it puts it in a setup mode that requires you go through the calibration cycle, if you don't its even more wonky. Have a ms 261 with same 3.0 mtronic but it doesn't do the 4 stroking, guessing cause the size. What iv discovered with trying to figure out why the 400 runs like that. Great to see you're seeing the same things.
Yes! My buddy at work told me about his still climb saw has too let it idle for ten minutes to program itself which is kinda weird for me too. I have alwys been stihl 200t for climbing and all huskys for big saws 372s 395s 394s even used to climb with a 346xp that was a great saw
Completely unnecessary; Get the saw warmed up. Do the M-Tronic reset and that saw is ready to roll. Shouldn’t take more than 2-3 minutes total. I’m not so sure Buckin’s 500i has ever been reset after the muffler mods. That’s a huge deal right now on how his saw is revving.
@@chadbrewer6882 whats the m tronic reset?
Late to the party here but the idling thing works well. I get into different trees and bar up different sizes and grinds/files. it needs a minute to tune in, running the older saws i do miss just grabbing the screw driver and setting it in myself in the first cut, but it catches up quick and makes up for itself in fatigue and time as you go into the job.. it takes a minute and sometimes an idle (often when you grab a water or move some brush etc.. Even when I start out with the 44 or the 371 etc (not brand bias here, i have them all) by the time im 2 hours in im running the 500i everytime. Even find i put down the 395 and 661 in the stump for the weight loss when i get down to the big stuff for the 500i. My opinion as an amateur saw operator/collector and firewood guy is that the 500i has more versatility then the rest of them combined. Bought a second to play with and Hod rod as well since we keep comparing a stock saw (piped only) to the ported and modded saws by the legends here on all the videos. compare to stock 371?? sorry but no comparison to be made... right? lets hot rod one (which many have already done) and test away. its new technology, i have friends that are scared to tune a carb but have learned to use the 500i / many other new technologies. Learn your tools and how to use them, if your not interested in learning how IT works then don't buy it. Which i think Buckin does an amazing job of explaining here. its not for him, and it doesn't have to be!
I'd guess that eventually there will be aftermarket tuner modules (similar to those available for fuel injected cars and motorcycles) connected to a personal computer that will allow a skilled person to optimize the fuel map for performance vs emissions. Just a matter of time and if market demand exists for entrepreneurs in that field to take on the job.
On theory yes but on a chainsaw? You are 1000 times Better off swapping a traditional carburator to make It run better, Is not hard to set especially on a good fluidodynamically engine like that! Injection Is there only for emissions and fuel consumption but has Little sense overcomplicate a chainsaw
A good video. Agree about starting and running of these 'electric' saws. Never had problems with the old style ...with plug spanner and carb screwdriver you could rebuild the engine in the woods. My new Husqvarna 555 lovely balance, weight and to use (sad only takes a 20" bar tho) but when stopped after running, if don't restart straight away, leave it pick up another saw. Go back to it later. Frustrating. Manufacturers 'mended something that wasnt broke'.
Very true about sharpening to suit you. Lets folk learn and use their feelings and senses and ....rely on their instincts. Sadly these things are becoming rare nowadays. I'm 68 and glad to say still learning. Thank you for sharing you knowledge and experience, it's appreciated 👍
Shoulda went with the 562xp! or the 572 :p NAHH 372... yessss yessssss
The manufacturers didn't have a choice they have to follow the idiotic liberal Democrat EPA guidelines.
Are you using the fast idle setting (pull the choke on then push the choke off but dont touch the throttle) for hot starts on the 555?
The 550's wont start hot unless you set the fast idle, I bet the 555 is the same.
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Many thanks. Haven't been doing that, so try next time 👍
I bought the 500I and mine does not do that in any wood . I kind of feel like something is wrong with yours.. I am totally stock no mods muffler or otherwise. And a 25 in bar. I do hear the 4 stroke you have in videos. One thought is may have dirt around module connections. Not the expert but have heard that may cause issues.
M-Tronic reset absolutely has to be done since it’s modded. Saw will be perfect once accomplished.
Glad I bought the Huskie 572xp… love it… great saw!
So I definitely hear the difference and see the speed u gain in the husqvarna. Its not quite fair comparing the 2. Completely stock vs a hot saw. What would be the outcome if you port polish and do a competition muffler on the 500i. I have seen it done and they look pretty wicked. Just an observation. By the way I am biased to stihl. Been running them for 3 generations. Love your vids.
I’ve a 61 orange top I bought new in 1994’ It’s been a work saw, camp saw, go to saw and home saw all its life and has never let me down, it goes hard l, real hard for a small saw and I love it. Bought a 2nd hand 2012’ model 562xp it goes hard to I love it, hasn’t failed me yet but there’s something about that 61 feel I just find it so hard to put down and pick up something else. Mind you I now love my 592xp in the same kinda way and I’ve only had it for 6months, I wonder will i still feel the same in 28yrs with it? I understand old school I started on 090
My 500i cut 6 trailer loads of firewood Saturday. Was screaming a tune the whole time with that bark box. Love the saw. I understand your complaint but I only use it for dropping trees or firewood. Anything small I'll use smaller saws
This is what I've settled on. Tough to drag around 2 saws some places though.
I have a 460 purchased in March 2002 rebuilt x1 a few oil tanks and regular maintenance, (myself). The saw was $986 then. I still need to see how these saws perform in 5-10 yrs. I have my doubts but maybe. At $1,600 it's not for me and I looked at one yesterday. The 462 is $1,400.
Raffle is a great idea. It wouldn't be a saw I could really use but I'll bet there are plenty of people who would put it to work. I wonder if it needs warranty fuel delivery replacement though.
Hey Buckin a Raffle is a great idea, I'd buy a few tickets for sure. Great video as always 💪that 371 is the Mayor of Crazytown!
I totally get it...if you could manually adjust that 500i it might come to life. But as that saw is, Id hate it too. I'm a throttle blipper like BBR who likes to keep those revs up when limbing and you dont want that flat four stroking. I get it.
I just think it needs to be recalibrated.miffed he would just try that process in the manual, I think it would run better.
Sorry,.... maybe.
The M-Tronic reset absolutely has to be done on this saw and any M-Tronic equipped saw that’s had any mod done to it. 2-3 minutes and it’s a whole other saw.
I cut timber and clear land I use my saws all day every day. Been a Husqvarna guy for 25+ years. Bought a 461 a few years ago and liked it pretty decent. Fast forward to last year and got a 500i and I like the saw for felling as you say . Stihl just has never had the response and "pop"' of a Husky. Even my Stihl 800 blower just doesn't turn up like my Husky blower. I totally get what you are saying.
I feel the same way about the 500i. Its a great climbing saw for big wood, and felling. It lacks in the limbing department for sure. Plus im not a fan of things I cant adjust. I dont own one myself, but have one on the truck at work. Switch to my ms660 if there is a lot of smaller wood to be cut.
Buckin what do you think about premix gas with oil already in it?
Can't say I've had that issue with my 500i, I'm not in the same sort of setting as you though, I just use mine for firewood processing. Where I am in Western Australia the wood is hard as hell and super dense, the 500i just eats it like nobody's business, mine is still totally stock apart from me opening up the gullet.
Honestly I can't fault it, absolutely love my 500i
What do you mean about 4 stroke? Thought it’s a 2 stroke so no valves to adjust.
To each his own, I own a 500i & I love it. Crazy power, instant throttle response.
So you comparing a stock factory saw to a modified ported saw with a modified exhaust on it .
Oh well that seems fair and
honest
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Buckin, Love your videos buddy, but refusing to take 90 seconds to tune the 500i I doesn't make much sense! As many times as I've seen you stand over a log with a screwdriver tuning the high and low side on a carb, The rationale you're using not to adjust the 500I is crazy based on the fact that it's just a different way of getting the same result you do by adjusting a jet on a carburetor. I think before this final chapter on the 500i is done maybe you should get Donnie Walker to show you how easy it is to do an auto-tune. Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying I like the old school way of doing things I have 16 McCulloch chainsaws and love every one of them like pieces of jewelry, but I think you should give it (500i) a fair shake.
💯 this here. New saw in less than three minutes! The M-Tronic hard reset has to be done since it’s been modded. It will run bananas once it’s accomplished!
Fortunately STIHL in their traditional line-up, they have both models! Mtronic or non-Mtronic. I just bought a brand-new Stihl 261 (20”) it is fantastic! NON-Mtronic model! 😊 When I do eventually get a big saw, I want a 462 NON-Mtronic as well. I love the ability for carb adjustment. These saws are also tuned great out of the box. Minor adjustment may be needed depending on where your saw was built and what state/country you live in.