Elden Ring - Little mistakes
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- The Misbegotten are a fairly common sight in the Lands Between, but how do they connect to Radagon and what's going wrong within the Erdtree to produce them?
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In earlier versions of the game text, the Misbegotten are instead called "Aberrations". Based on the fact feathers, scales, and other animalistic traits were said to have grown on human bodies in the past, either term may imply the Misbegotten are simply a branch of humans whose births were affected by the energy of the crucible.
looks like the law of regression at work there humans are trying to turn back into dragons
Huh funny they're called aberrations. I wont say they all share the same characteristics, but there's a unit in starcraft 2 called the aberration and I can see some similarities between it and some of the grosser looking Misbegotten.
It's interesting that 2 other legendary armaments are gotten from defeating misbegotten. 4 are received outside of combat and 2 are from fighting modern humans. Imo they appear to be collectors, or are otherwise much more important to the God's and Demigod's than they initially are presented
@@colorpg152 The evolutionary paths in FromSoftware, regress to dragon or advance also to dragon.
Yea once I saw him with it and how he can actually use the art I immediately drew the comparison of the misbegotten and the crucible, it also explains why the Crucible knight and the misbegotten in Caelid fight together. It leans towards an unspoken kinship.
Imagine your wife gives you a massive glowing sword and you just toss it in some random cave for some genetic abomination to have and then you go and marry yourself, Radagon was truly an icon
elden chad
he also reforged the sword to match his future wife, who is also his other half
Thus did the hero aspire to be complete
Did you not find the talisman? Radagon is literally an icon.
Radagon was told to "go fuck himself" and took it literally
What's really surprising is that somehow the Leonine Misbegotten somehow had the stats to wield it properly
He was running a paladin build.
Considering how easy it was to beat, I’m not sure it did.
There's something of a theme in the consecrated snowfields, of beings generally considered unholy actually using miracles and thus proving they are not separated from the divine. Many of the albinurics in the area (specifically the frog faced ones) use incantations, and this Misbegotten wields a relic that could be argued to be one of the holiest weapons in the Lands Between. Kind of ironic, since most that come here are in fact seeking refuge from the Golden Order, but it just goes to show how wrong the dogma of the order can be. I'm sure Corhyn would have a fit about it all if he ever made it there.
@@maximusthedude8305 I just noticed those Albinaurics the other day using the Discus of Light. I’m assuming since they’re part of the group around Ordina which is an entire town dedicated to Miquella and the Haligtree they learned it through their faith in him, especially since it’s an incantation created by Miquella. Miquella’s intentions seemed to have been to create a world where even the “unholy” are treated fairly.
@@beatotheelder6170 I don't know much of the series since I've never played the games(this channel has taught me a lot) but ngl that sounds like a pretty good cause. Even those who are born of evil have the chance to build their own path.
1) Hewg is a Misbegotten who is tasked with making a god slaying weapon
2) Three different Misbegotten in the game wield legendary swords
3) The Misbegotten of Castle Morne suddenly and unanimously rebelled, taking a legendary weapon in the process
Sounds to me like Marika used her connection to the Misbegotten to let out a general call for all Misbegotten to get their hands on the strongest weapons possible for the purposes of killing a god.
Maybe the the Tarnished weren’t her only ace in the hole army against the Greater Will
I know about the one in castle morne and the ice cave but what is the other one?
@@Dilapidated_Dilo the one with the Ruins Greatsword in Castle Redmane when the Festival isn’t active
@@typhonyx_was_taken oh that one ok
@@typhonyx_was_takenyou would think that the morne one and the Redmane one would actually use the weapons that they drop. It would definitely make the fight more exciting if the Redmane one was able to use the wave of destruction
I would have to agree, there seems to be contingencies in place if one plan didn't pan out.
Surprised nobody has mentioned the framing at 1:21-the circle of the greatsword matching up with Rennala is an _amazing_ way to show its origins visually.
this shot, as they say, goes hard
It's a circle, so you could make it match with any sphere. You can make the same shot with the moon for example
@@YullaNellis i mean that would've been super cool too
@@YullaNellis You say that as if it reduces the significance
Thank you for pointing that out, I didn't even notice they line up because it blends in so well!
Rennala's magic is almost all glintstone blue, except for the orb she floats in and the rebirth magic she uses to revive the scholars.
This implies to me that the orb is some remnant of protection from Radagon's egg instead of anything Rennala is using to protect herself.
I think Radagon cast it away upon splitting up with Rennala. What better way to sever an attachment permanently than to take an object that perfectly symbolises it, the Golden Order Greatsword, and cast it away into a cave filled with what was commonly viewed as the lowest and most vile.
Also, as I was writing this, I realise that technically we never get the proper Moonlight Greatsword. The Darkmoon Greatsword represents Ranni's view of the moon, but the purer and brighter view of the moon Rennala had would've probably been symbolised by an actual Moonlight Greatsword that did pure magic damage, rather than the frost we see on the Darkmoon greatsword (relating to the dark & chill night as well as Ranni's Dark Moon spell) given by Ranni. The 'pure' Moonlight greatsword that did only magic damage and not frost that was seen in the past games did exist, but now only exists in the form of the Golden Order Greatsword after being reforged by Radagon.
If the DLC involves going to the past then the true Moonlight Greatsword would be an awesome and fitting addition
Don't forget that he gave Rennala her Amber Egg as a parting gift. I might be tripping but I also think I've read she thinks he's coming back eventually, and she's still waiting all those years. While I think he never planned on doing so, if he just wanted to disrespect her and his previous family, he probably wouldn't give her the Amber Egg.
It would be super cool if in the DLC we got an option to "reforge" the Moonlight Greatsword by combing the Darkmoon Greatsword and the Golden Order Greatsword. Kind of like how in DS3 you could combine Lothric's Holy Sword and Lorian's Greatsword to make the Twin Princes' Greatsword.
I always thought that the fact he reforged the sword to be his own way to sever his connection with the Carians. It used to be a Carian way to propose but he modifies it as he saw fit, imo that's kinda fucked up, he pretty much replaced his "wedding ring" with one he saw more fit.
I remember someone theorizing that since Miquella welcomes the unwanted he had one of his follower obtain the sword since it doesnt seem like Radagon and Miquella were in bad terms maybe he had it at some point.
It's also interesting that it is found in the consecrated snowfield of all places
@@Gensolink Huh, I never really saw it that way, but it is an interesting perspective. Personally, I thought the reforging of the sword as symbolic of the union between Rennala and Radagon as it had both elements of the Golden Order as well as the Carian greatsword - Radagon also aspired to be "complete", as shown in the Radagon icon item description, which could imply he wanted to create a union between faith and intelligence to do so, and the Golden Order greatsword could represent this union.
On further thought, it could be something to represent how he left the Carian Queen and returned to the Golden Order by Marika's side, and the sword can be considered more defaced than reforged as a result - symbolising him turning his back on sorcery and returning to the Golden Order by Marika's side.
The answer depends on exactly when the sword was reforged, I suppose. Before or after Radagon left Renalla?
Also, this is why I love fromsoft games. Only now am I realising how much I wrote, and that I've blabbered on for several paragraphs about a blue sword turning yellow and the lore implications.
The connection between the leonines and their weapons is something that I found really interesting and that sparked a theory for me.
Marika has Hewg imprisoned with the instruction of creating a legendary weapon that is capable of killing a god. Meanwhile, 3 of the 9 legendary armaments are found in the hands of the misbegotten; the ruins greatsword, golden order greatsword, and the grafted blade. Not only this, but the Morn misbegotten are described as suddenly rising up at once and rebelling, taking the grafted blade in the process.
So what if, similar to Hewg, Marika commanded the misbegotten to seek out *existing* legendary armaments for the same purpose? It's possible she could have convinced them with the promise of acceptance into the Golden Order or perhaps she specifically sought to use the misbegotten because they are shunned and seen as lowly and therefore can act outside of the view of the Order.
"Shunned and seen as lowly" . . . just like how some see the Tarnished. ;)
An excellent theory.
That's...i like that.
Ooh, I love this theory. Also makes sense of the Misbegotten in Leyndell desperately praying to statues of Marika.
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Well that certainly helps explain why a Crucible Knight and Leonine fight together as a duo boss.
Also, it would have been neat if the Loenine in Morne Castle actually wielded the Grafted Greatsword in it's hands.
Yeah, I never understood why that Leonine doesn't wield the Grafted Greatsword. I feel it's just one oversight, something they intended to do and maybe just forgot about, or for whatever reason it was difficult.
The elden ring reforged mod gives the grafted sword to that boss.
@@SwissArmyCheese I wonder if it would have made the hitboxes harder to dodge. Since it's an early game boss maybe they didn't know how to balance that, if that was the case
I was going to make a comment about the Leonine/Crucible Knight duo boss as soon as I saw the mention of Cruicible Knights finding a place in the Order. Seems like a minor overlook for Zullie not to mention that (though considering all the other stuff Zullie knows/uncovers it's easy to forget something, I'm sure)
@@WhchOneIsMe They're literally shown on-screen during that part of the video.
I'd imagine their connection to Radagon and Marika also explains why Hewg seems so reverent and terrified of Marika. If the Misbegotten are children of Radagon, that'd make them also children of Marika, no? I mean, the smaller ones share her blonde hair.
Lest we forget, GRR Martin looooves his “illegitimate children of royalty who are sussed out by their distinctive hair.”
Maybe the Misbegotten were originally conceived (in and out of universe) the same way
But radagon and Marika are not same. Even though radagon originates from Marika, the end result is different. Just like mythosis.
@@aliardaaydn2573 not the same ideals, but the same person.
@@aliardaaydn2573 We don't really know if Radagon was a part of Marika in the beginning, and in the present they are literally the same, though in a weird convoluted way
@@aliardaaydn2573 I don't think there's any true consensus on whether Radagon originates from Marika or they began as separate beings, that's really up to your interpretation of the lore. Personally I think they started out different people and became one somehow after/during their marriage. The only thing I think everyone can agree on, is that they are clearly different personalities with different wills, as you say
I like the idea that the sword being there is because Radagon regrets leaving Rennala. He reforged the sword from an oath of marriage to an icon of the Golden Order, and yet he threw it away. Had he been proud of what he did, reforging the sword, he would surely have kept it, so it having been discarded might mean he couldn't bear to see the reminder of his broken oath.
I also read the theory that during the Shattering the misbegotten just sneaked into Leyndell while their defenses were distracted and stole the sword, it makes some sense due to them being considered abominations by the golden order, so they went and take one of the most precious order's symbols
tbh a lot of people hate radagon but i don’t think he really had a choice in the matter. i mean, marika was the supreme authority, and he was a part of her. and when we see the good relationship he had with the cursed twins - malenia and miquella - he seems to be a man who loves his family. so i don’t really think it was his choice to leave rennala and his children
Something so cool in Radagon's design and so many of his miracles/weapons is the juxtaposition of straight lines through the circular design of the ring. It's beautifully indicative of how Radagon is trying to find the ordered connections within the ring, basically connecting the rings with straight lines. This is in sharp contrast to Marika's old Erdtree faith, which just accepts the rings for what they are, and doesn't need to find those straight lines.
You can even see a progression with Radagon - first tracing a triangle within the rings, but eventually progressing to a square lattice design and eschewing the rings altogether.
So what you're saying is... Radagon was obsessed with lines? So much so that he tried to turn the ring into a triangle?
@@ghosthippie8465 Not so much obsessed with lines, but obsessed with comprehending some kind of causal order/pattern (the straight lines) within the rings. He's trying to map out something incomprehensible, and in the process he's either lost his sense of the bigger picture (losing the rings for the lines between) or has begun restructuring reality into something very different.
It's also interesting that the sword he reforged into the form of Elden Ring has the red tint of primordial gold, the ancient crucible's holy essence that Marika was trying so hard to get rid of.
This point also calls into question the English translation of the description, which says that Radagon hated his red hair (whereas the Japanese original says he was despaired of his own red hair, which does not necessarily indicate his hatred of them).
The moon, too, is heavily associated with circles and cycles. The full moon is a circle (or rather a sphere), and all the moon phases are more or less revealing of the circle. The moon's orbit is also elliptical, always changing. Additionally, the moon isn't always visible; sometimes it is entirely dark, though not for the reasons Ranni's moon is dark. So both of Radagon's wives have a heavy connection with circles and cycles -- Rennala with the moon and Marika with the Elden Ring, though I can't remember exactly what cycles the Elden Ring is involved with, only that it feels like the ER is involved with cycles somehow.
It feels worth mentioning that the moon cycles, unlike the Elden Ring, are actually traceable. The moon's cycles are the same every month. The moon's orbit can be tracked and is relatively consistent. I feel like Radagon's desire to draw straight lines and to understand the incomprehensible would be better satisfied by understanding the moon than by understanding the Elden Ring. The moon is ordered, though perhaps not in the strict way Radagon likes. Still, it's probably a lot more comprehensible than the Elden Ring. The moon also has definite causal reasons for its existence and behavior, if the Lands Between's moon is at all like Earth's. The moon cycles because of its relation to the sun and Earth, and the moon has definable effects on the earth (the tides).
Note, this isn't about shipping, just an analysis of the difference between the moon's circles and the Elden Ring's circles.
@@spooky6735 Worth keeping in mind that the moon in Elden Ring doesn't necessarily follow the same patterns as it does in real life. It's not even entirely clear that the Lands Between exists on a spherical planet, and it's possible that the stars represent something closer to a firmament and the sympathetic beliefs of stoic philosophy (the actual stoic philosophy, which was a lot closer to a religion and has very little to do with what's popular these days).
Not saying you're wrong or right, more just cautioning against assuming that a highly fantastical world has parallels that aren't explicitly outlined. How the Primeval Current moves some celestial bodies and not others is unclear, as is what the Primeval Current is. The moon doesn't seem to go through cycles - Elden Ring doesn't simulate them and the only acknowledgement of lunar cycles is the tenuous implications of Renalla's hat.
I think it's also interesting to point out that 3 of the Leonine Misbegotten bosses each drop one of the 9 legendary armaments (Ruins Greatsword, Grafted Greatsword & GO Greatsword), I'm not sure whether that's just a coincidence or if there's a deeper connection between the legendary swords and the Leonines.
The connection is probably that they were animated to wield a sword.
The cave of the forlorn is also notably filled with Miquella's lilies, making me think he has something to do with it. There are also misbegotten in the Haligtree, suggesting Miquella was sympathetic to them. Perhaps the ones in the cave are refugees from the rotting tree. The cave is in the snowfield right outside it, after all.
Miquella or Malenia may have had possession of the greatsword, which I can either see Radagon regifting to them, or even Miquella having taken it for himself, since he was still a fundamentalist when he started growing the tree. He could have given it to the leonine misbegotten for protection prior to sealing himself in his cocoon, or the misbegotten could have stolen it as they fled. I'm not positive about any of this, it's just interesting that the connection seems to be there.
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Pretty solid interpretation!
This is a pretty interesting interpretation. While I don't have a great read on Radagon's personality, it does seem more likely that he would give the sword to his son rather than just throw it away, or go out of his way to give it to one misbegotten
@@frazfrazfrazfraz right, we know he had at least a somewhat amicable relationship with miquella, and even though miquella doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd need a big sword, it could have been a symbolic gift. something to represent their shared belief in the golden order (at the time, anyway.)
Miquella's whole thing is sheltering those who Marika's Order abandoned so it'd make sense
If we're thinking about the misbegotten being something of a symbol to Marika and Radagon's "complications" and the fact they were once named "Radagon Chimera", it seems odd considering that looking them separately most common misbegotten have blonde silky hair whereas the Lionines have rough red hair. Just something I noticed.
Blonde silky hair like Marika maybe (just speculating)?
@@Urkkahlia Exactly
I’m more inclined to think this is cut content, specifically because of the name change. The golden order as a whole despises the crucible so I don’t know why the biggest fanboy radagon would even attempt to make something associated with it. Besides the crucible crossover already happened with Godfrey taking the leftover crucible knights under his wing
the only explanation for the red hair + feline traits is that Radagon had the sex with a neko. this is officially cannon
It’s also interesting that they are called leonine, what red haired son of Radagon used lions and lion imagery
"Radagon may have cast his sword away like he did Renalla" 💀💀💀
Renalla is bae why cast her aside?
@@ryanschmidt3319 so he could get together with the baddest bitch he knew
@@ryanschmidt3319 His ex Marika just wouldn't leave them alone so he went back to tell her off once and for all but was fused and now everyone thinks he's dumped Rennala
That's my headcanon and nothing will change it.
Radagon was too much of a chad to just leave his bride without a word.
@@revlover3797 who is just a bitch. We don't see anything good about Marika. I just wish that his being an ass and leaving hadn't broken Renalla.
@@ryanschmidt3319 So we could say that he Rada-gone
2:07 The Children of Radagon even appear to have childlike dentition, with 2 incisors, 1 canine, no premolars, and 2 molars. Note that the winged misbegotten and the leonine misbegotten have adult teeth.
I always believed it was something that happened in the wake of Radagon. They were a product of his existence, and when he left his sword behind, the little scamp took it up.
I honestly kinda like the idea of an absolute nobody finding that blade, and just doing their best to become a champion of their people.
Like... Greg the accountant finds freaking Excalibur, so he tries his very best to learn swordsmanship before an actual knight comes to take it from him. That sort of underdog doing their best vibe.
Or shit, Emma the Walmart staff finds The Throngler.
@@ghosty3494 Indeed much more terrifying name.
@@sticksstickerson now like don't get me wrong the excalibur is like super powerful and all, but The Throngler is on another level of power.
@@ghosty3494 I mean, Dark King Grutmore's Edge of Annihilation is intimidating, but The Throngler...damn...
@@ghosty3494 Excalibur is probably stronger than the Throngler honestly. The name is half as long!
That shot of the golden order greatsword in front of Rennala is incredible, thanks for a great video
Makes sense the crucible and the Misbegotten are linked in the same way to the Erdtree, the crucible have Incantations that summon a tail, wings, horns, all elements are found on the Misbegotten just in a less gracefull way.
And you get the Crucible incantations from Crucible Knights, who would have been in service back when peoples of the Crucible, such as the Chimeras were still considered holy, and not subhuman monsters fit only for slavery. I expect that under their helmets the Crucible Knights are Misbegotten or Tree Guardians, particularly since the female knight's horns seem to be growing through their helmet, rather than mounted on it.
The Crucible is the primordial form of the Erdtree, and the Crucible Incantations are all called ancient Erdtree incantations. Their item descriptions states that your using the Erdtrees primal energy to cast them. I was suprised to find so many connections to The Crucible and Erdtree at first but it made sense because they're literally the same thing.
@@MetalCaffeine56 they're technically different things. The erdtree is like grafted onto the GreatTree, the Erdtree may not even be real at this point.
@@Skibbutz The Greattree thing is a mistranslation, the descriptions that talk about the Greattree are actually about the Erdtree. And there's many item descriptions that outright describe the Crucible as the primordial form of the Erdtree.
@@MetalCaffeine56 what I ment was like, the GreatTree/Crucible "became" the erdtree via unnatural means rather than an evolution as time passed
Twilight Princess music always slaps so hard. Actual perfect soundtrack, every single region's music is just the perfect mood for the area.
I believe there is a deeper connection between the Giantsflame and the Crucible.
Radagon appears to be the link between the two, and I am very certain it has something to do with the fact that he is either part giant, or learned from them, or both.
Remember. There are "three" smiths in the game.
*Hewg*, the Misbeggotten. He wields the "Hammer", and its description speaks of Giants being smithies.
*Iji*, the Carian troll. He wields the "Troll Hammer", and it has a description that also speak of the above.
And then there is *Radagon*, who literally forged the Golden Order Greatsword.
Marika's Hammer is a mystery though. It is the only hammer that mentions the land of the Numen.
This may helps us though, because if the fingerslayer blade is from Nokron (supposedly related to Numen) and is the only thing that can kill the Two Fingers...
Then does it mean that Marika's Hammer was the only thing capable of destroying the Elden Ring?
(in the 2019 E3 teaser of Elden Ring you can spot, roughly at the 1 minute mark, the full and unbroken design of the hammer. looks like an extruded pentagon.)
The Giant's Flame is also coincidentally shaped like a big Crucible....
@@natk8541 glad I wasn't the only one noticing :p
I think you are absolutely onto something.
I think change was an aspect of the order of things, symbolized by fire.
When the golden order was created fire (=change/death) was broken off the order order of things (the elden ring) and radagon was broken off from marika. As marika is the vessel of the golden order. Marika gained her free will back, while Radagon became the loyal, but tainted part of the vessel. Or something like that 😅.
@@natk8541 And selurias’ tree is shaped like flames.
Additionally, Radahn, the direct son of Radagon, has almost the size of a giant, so there's clearly a link. Now, with how few elements there are in the game, Radagon's story is basically anyone's guess. Our only hope to clear things up is a dlc
Babe, wake up, zullie just uploaded.
I just have to say, the framing of the GOGS encompassing Rennala at 1:22 was equal parts clever and gorgeous.
I find it kinda interesting how every Leonine Misbegotten boss rewards you with a legendary sword. Castle Morne with the Grafted Blade Greatsword, Redmane Castle with the Ruin Greatsword (although he is kinda overshadowed by the much stronger Crucible Knight), and the Misbegotten Crusader with the Golden Order Greatsword. It seems like they either have an obsession over swords, or they were given order to guard each blade. The later seems more likely after seeing the Misbegotten Crusader properly use it's weapon art. Although Edgar addresses that the Sword of Castle Morne had fallen in the hands of the misbegotten, after finishing the game I feel like the Leonine warrior in Castle Morne might have been the one protecting the sword in the first place. I wonder if it had something to do with the Misbegotten revolt in Castle Morne.
Anyway, I kinda hope when we get a DLC, we see another Leonine Misbegotten mini boss who guards yet another legendary sword. Although he isn't one of the tougher bosses in Elden Ring, personally he still was one of the mini bosses that left a pretty strong impression in the early game.
Just to note - Radagon didn't throw away Rennala's sword, he explicitly reforged it to represent the Golden Order.
"Forged by King Consort Radagon to proudly symbolize the tenets of the Golden Order.
One of the legendary armaments.
Telltale signs betray that this was once the greatsword bequeathed to him by his first wife, Rennala."
My best guess given that the Misbegotten are found throughout Leyndell and are recently rebelling, that when Radagon locked himself and Marika in the tree a Misbegotten was able to scavenge it somehow.
It's definitely super interesting that the Misbegotten are explicitly related to Radagon in early text. Even more interesting when you consider how many of them find sanctuary in Miquella's Haligtree, with Miquella himself being a master "scientist" of many fields. Is it possible the Misbegotten was originally meant to be Radagon's experiments that Miquella "adopted"?
@@mrrd4444 the misbegotten are in the hailigtree because miquella promised them baptisement and rebirth, which for a people shunned by the golden order is a huge deal because they have neither, same with the albinaurics. So yeah Miquella basically adopted them.
We generally overlook simpler theories because the connections the Leonine have with Radagon is pretty evident, however it very much could be that the sword was just yoinked by a Misbegotten, maybe that specific Misbegotten's connenction to Radagon allowed him to be close enough to the sword to very simply steal it (also where in the fuck would something like that be kept? Some sort of armory? Some room/s belonging to Radagon? Well more like rooms belonging to Marika considering we're in full Leyndell territory)
Radagon really got around, huh
Radagon is too much of a square to get around.
Only with the two of the most powerful and influential women in existence
@@AssailantLF And one of those women was himself!
@@shumjuna1 Selfcest at it finest!
@@shumjuna1 nah
he was man
his other self is a babe
Miquella's influence is widespread in the Cave of the Forlorn, which his lilies and Nascent butterflies. Its a very interesting location, with a dragon dead near the opening, Misbegotten, already angry jellyfish and of course the leonine with the GO GS.
This is one of my biggest mysteries.
Apparently, deep inside the game there are flags for a questline involving Miriel and him bequeathing a special sword to you. No doubt in my mind that was going to be the Golden Order Greatsword, so they had to quickly come up with something else when that quest was cut.
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Excellent work. To me, this seems to hint at Queen Marika's life before she became a vessel for the Elden Ring.
1. The Misbegottens were a Free people or tribe, before the Golden Order
2. They were allies with Marika (or Radagon) before the Golden Order
3. They became slaves after the Golden Order was established
4. They still saw Radagon as their champion (or Marika) hence their continued loyalty
5. Queen Marika asked Master Hewg, _The Blacksmith,_ to create a sword that could kill a god, and because Master Hewg knew of her plans, he faithfully obey and remained inside Roundtable Hold.
Could it be that Queen Marika from the very beginning opposed the Golden Order?... Partially because the Misbegottens became slaves after the Golden Order was established?
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It's also interesting we encounter enraged jellyfish spirits in the Cave of the Forlorn, pre-enraged jellyfish are already a rare sight in itself but this is the only dungeon where FromSoftware put them directly in our path. The Elden Ring jellyfish seem to be inspired by the Aurelia Aurita species, traditionally called "moon jellyfish".
I'd wager their placement there is a deliberate hint at Radagon's betrayal of Rennala and the subsequent grief of the Full Moon Queen.
It's also worth noting that both the misbegotten and Radagon have an explicit connection to the "Law of Regression" in the lore. This may be signs of a further connection between them, but I'm not sure exactly what. Maybe Marika becoming Radagon and humans becoming Misbegotten are both signs of the world trying to revert to its pre-erdtree state?
Why would the Law of Regression be trying to revert things to before the Erdtree? The Law of Regression is a function of the Elden Ring, which is a tool of the Greater Will just like the Erdtree is. It wouldn't be trying to revert things to before the Erdtree, and it especially wouldn't try to revert to a less orderly time.
@@watchfulwanderer6443 The Elden Ring and Erdtree aren't necessarily the same thing, the Ring long predates the Erdtree
@@soarel325 I know, but they are both there to ensure the continual dominance of the Greater Will and its Golden Order over the Lands Between. The Elden Ring isn't going to destroy the Erdtree because they have the exact same purpose.
@@watchfulwanderer6443 The Golden Order is Marika's, not the Greater Will's. The Order as a whole is created by the Greater Will but Marika is the one responsible for this particular form of it.
@@soarel325 The Golden Order is the Order of Gold. Order as a whole is not the Greater Will's domain (Ranni starts an Order of the chill night, the Scarlet Rot could start an Order of Rot), just the Golden Order. The Golden Order stems from the Elden Ring, which predates Marika and was held by at least one being previously (Placidusax's god). I see no reason why an Order of Gold from a dragon wouldn't be called the Golden Order. Marika is just the goddess of the current Golden Order. Also, Marika wasn't the one who created the current Golden Order, or she wouldn't need to study it, and wouldn't turn against the Greater Will.
Just a little thing i noticed, the Leonine share the same stomp and dual sword swing with the crucible knights. Makes me think the crucible knights may look like them or be similar in some shape or form. What seals the deal on this is the fact we see a crucible knight and a leonine at the radahn festival together.
Radagon really disrespected the Moonlight Greatsword gifted to him like that. Poor Rennala... 😢
I had also wondered if perhaps Radagon's Sword was an artifact that was held somewhere and taken during an uprising of the Misbegotten, similar to what occurred at Castle Mourne. Especially since we see them residing all throughout the Haligtree where Radagon's twin children live, and that Miquella's Unalloyed Gold and Rings of Light were something that reinforced a close relationship with his father, and the symbolism on the sword.
The Leonine Misbegotten not only have the same lion theme as Serosh, but they also go red eyed berserk when they're injured. Those themes align to Godfrey and his Crucible Knights, but especially with Radahn which may be why there's a boss fight against both of them working together.
That seemed noteworthy given that the vast battleground where Radahn wanders is directly above where Miquella's cocoon is currently being held, and even the ruins of black stone architecture appear in both locations.
I'm curious if we'll get anything expanding upon that as well as Hewg's true identity and the reason he's sworn so absolutely to serve the task Queen Marika have him to craft a weapon capable of killing a god.
That shot of Rennala floating within the sword's ring is so good.
Thank you Zullie, for always putting out such great content and showing me all the things I missed when I was desperately spamming roll so I wouldn't die. The quality is always high, and it's always legitimately appreciated to learn more about such dense games.
Radagon has some sort of ancient ties in his blood, because his children and creatures loosely related to him all have awe inspiring power and strange deformities, often the two mixing together having incredible power from these deformities. Radagon probably hates his hair because it ties him to things disdained or feared. Throughout his story he tries to be a noble and just man but at every turn things have gone horribly wrong for him.
For my two cents on why the sword ends up in the Cave of the Forlorn, I'm wondering if Miquella didn't stash it there. The cave is absolutely packed with Miquella themed stuff, and it's on the Snowfield which is basically his turf. And we know Miquella has A) a strong relationship with his father which might have seen him gifted with the sword or taking it as his birthright and B) broken with Golden Order in an attempt to create the Haligtree to give hope to all those the Golden Order renounces. The "Forlorn" of the cave's name are all those, like the Misbegotten we find there, whom the Golden Order has cast out or refused mercy. This is effectively where Miquella made his choice to take his own path and go his own away, despite his seeming reverence for his dad.
There are some really cool shots in this. I really like that Malenia/Painting mirror shot. It wouldn't surprise me if the concept earlier in development was that the Erdtree was a sort of "cork" on the overflowing nature of the Crucible, and Radagon intended to usurp this power from within and restore it, completing his image as the foil/mirror to the order-focused Marika.
always a delight when you upload.
I gotta say it's crazy how you make these uploads so consistently. Good job. Your work is appreciated.
Radagon was definitely the protagonist of his time, he came (literally inside himself) he saw and he conquered.
Seeing the sword with the Misbegotten made me think they were failed attempts at making Radagon, who was a homunculus made specifically to be Marika's better half with the power of the crucible. And since all the aspects of the crucible had dragon-like qualities (Wings, horn, flame breath, etc), I thought he would transform into a dragon. After all, Radagon's name is an anagram for "A Dragon".
The misbegotten are just what happens when humans are blessed by the Crucible. They aren't homunculi, they're just people in whom the ancient blessings to run strong.
Wow this video was amazing. A lot of scenarios make so much sense, neat.
The degree to which these videos contribute to the lore around the souls games is no joke.
It's such an interesting choice that Radagon, the half of Marika seemingly obsessed with upholding the Golden Order in all things, is so persistently linked to heretical things like the giants and misbegotten. It's like no matter how hard he tries, he can't escape the inherent duality of all things, and the more he devotes himself to order and purity, the more his primal, beastial traits get amplified as well.
I still wonder at what point Radagon fused with Marika. When the Elden Ring was shattered?
@@lemon__snicker5973 They were never 'fused', they were always one entity. Thinking of them as separate people that 'got fused' makes most of the plot make less sense, not to mention be much more boring.
Idk the "always being one" calls into question how Malenia and Miquella happened if Radagon and Marika always shared a single body.
@@mrwtfwhy Elden ring is heavily influenced by mythologies where that type of thing is not unusual or uncommon at all. You have to think in terms of the magical realism that goes along with ancient myths, like Zagreus being gestated in Zeus's thigh. A dualistic bi-gender god creating their own offspring from themself is entirely reasonable in that context :p
@@Neptunequeen42 It's an alchemy thing. Which is a prevailing theme throughout Elden Ring. Radagon is Sulphur. The 'red man'. Which makes sense given his connection to the Fire Giants, although the nature of that connection is not explained. Marika is Mercury. The 'white woman'. Her connection to the Nox/Numen and their silver metal arts is definitely the link to this reference of alchemy mysticism.
If we're following the alchemic concept of a rebis (male and female joined together) then they *were* separate at one time. They had to be. Because the whole point of the great alchemic desire (what is called 'The Work' or 'The Art') is to combine these elements together through a long and painstaking process that eventually results in the lapis. The philosophers stone. Which is used to create the drinkable gold of eternal youth, yes, but also to bring about a new reality and destroy the illusion of the one we currently inhabit.
Alchemy is weird.
An alternative theory as to why they are scorned despite being apparently the children of Radagon is that they were seen as blasphemous for their imitation of Radagon despite being so malformed. Essentially a lowly animal taking on the visage of a god could be seen as highly offensive by the order and possibly even Radagon himself.
This was really interesting and made me want to learn about Elden Ring's storyline. Thank you for the video
Ooo, now these are some nice finds! It’s interesting how details have changed in each patch that can make some significant implications to the lore
Something that I think is interesting is that the Leonine Misbegotten boss that you recieve the Golden Order Greatsword also wields the sword in combat, which made me think about the one in Castle Morne which drops the Grafted Blade Greatsword. Why Isn't that one wielding the weapon it drops? Maybe it's because they implemented the idea later on and forgot to add it to the Castle Morne Leonine Misbegotten?
the leonine just didnt have enough str to wield it yet. 🤭
I've always thought that Radagon and Marika were originally two separate people, with Radagon being related to the giants in some way. The red hair plus the sheer size of Radhan give it some credit. The reason Marika fused with Radagon was because she knew he would oppose her plan to break the Golden Order and thus sealed him away in the Erdtree with her. Radagon was a conqueror and would most likely take any chance for more power, meaning he would have most likely been tricked by Marika in some way.
I feel Radagon is more like Jesus, he's both a seperate person but also the incarnation of Marika.
I've heard that the fell god of the giants gave Marika a curse when she and Godfrey defeated them. In order to get rid of the curse she split off an alternate self, Radagon, who inherited the curse instead. Thus the red hair on Radagon and curses on his children. However, it is unclear if Marika created Radagon or he was merely a champion that she fused with before that or not.
I don't think Marika wanted to fuse with Radagon, I think that she didn't have a choice, and the Greater Will was trying to make them fuse so that Radagon could prevent Marika from working against it. If they weren't fused, after all, Marika could have broken the Elden Ring completely, instead of leaving huge shards around.
Very cool visuals on this one!!
your music is always s-tier
That shot at 1:21 is incredibly satisfying.
It's very likely Radagon left his sword somewhere, and the Misbegotten went on a crusade to acquire the holy relic, hence the boss's name...
As to WHY a Misbegotten was the one to crusade for it, I'm not sure. Maybe it wanted to become Radagon. Maybe it believed it WAS Radagon.
ha, awesome! the leonine misbegotten being spawns of radagon has been my headcanon since finding this sword.
i have been waiting so long for somebody to make this video lol
Little mistakes? I think you meant to say Happy Little Accidents
That Misbegotten was probably stoked to find such an awesome looking weapon only to find out it's ash of war sucked making the weapon completely uncompetitive 😅
I remember that fight being actually hard, so the guy must have grinded his skill set to use that sword to its fullest potential
I see somebody never nuked the Mountaintops Death Rite Bird with it
@@sirdrork8616 oh shit it can nuke ONE boss incredible.
Seriously just use wrath of gold at this point you'll do pure holy dmg
@@sirdrork8616 Ah, no, I have not lol
I'm not really a great sword guy anyway. It looks freaking cool though
That weapon is amazing. The r2 catches people from a mile away and the L2 is faster than even experienced players expect it to be. The L2 is a great way to vigor check a spamming mage while simultaneously blowing up the overleveled phantom in your face.
The key to duels is to save the L2 for the end and use it after a missed attack.
I really wished every one of those enemies we fought as a Boss that drops a special weapon would actually use that weapon in the boss fight, like if the grafted sword one is actually holding the drafted sword in the fight. That would be so much cooler and make them more unique
Red is the colour symbolising the primal, or the physical attributes, hence the shared hair colour between giants, misbegotten, and radagon and three* (not sure about Rykard tho he might be the fourth judging by the colour of the plume atop his knights' helms) of his children.
And also what would drive the red haired hero to seek perfection, to be complete by learning sorcery and incantations (the attributes his other half possessed per her scarseal namely INT & FTH, and instead of searching for perfection she used her innate attributes to recruit mighty warriors in compensation for what didn't see the need to possess herself)
I am almost certain that Radagon is the physical manifestation of the Fire Giant’s curse inflicted on Marika. To free herself, she likely created another entity to house the curse, which lines up with the rest of the details we have.
Just as a reminder, the Crucible is the name of the Erdtree before the rune of death was removed, not a pool of something. There’s nothing strange in the connection Radagon-misbegottens
That’s actually a funny question.
The forge of giants is a literal crucible, and something crucible shaped is portrayed in the crown of the erdtree in some of the tapestries in leyndell.
We are purposely being confused here.
@@teahousereloaded Miyazaki hates us all. Item descriptions during the CNT were much more complete, but From decided it was too much informations for us poor mortals
I wondered about this for awhile, good to know I'm not crazy.
That shot with the sword and Rennala is cool
Wait, wait, wait... How do you know Radagon despised his red hair? I have watched all your videos and I haven't watched (or don't remember) this about his red hair before D=
The item description of the Giant's Red Braid.
"Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind."
Remember, Zullie, the words of Queen Marika that Melina tells you in her bedchamber, referring to Radagon: “Leal hound of the Golden Order, thou’rt yet to become me.”
This implies two things, that Marika disdained the Golden Order and/or Radagon enough to mock the latter as a “leal hound”, and that there was a point in time where Radagon and Marika were separate entities who became one through some means.
This makes sense to me, as it explains how Radagon would have led the life he did before marrying Marika - being descended from the Giants, falling in love with Rennala, etc etc.
I believe, on some level, Radagon did not wish to marry Marika. He is said to have done a number of things to ensure the two could be properly wed (see: church of vows), and similar tales are told of him with his children (See: Radagon’s rings of light). I do not recall such stories to exist with Marika, however, which leads me to infer that it was something Radagon was forced into - after all, according to NPCs who knew her, she was a terrifying being equivalent to a God.
I think it's more that Marika didn't want to marry Radagon, since she was still in love with Godfrey and she opposed the Order than Radagon was so fanatically loyal to. Radagon probably didn't like it, but I don't think he was forced into it, or at least Marika wasn't the one forcing him into it.
I'm fascinated by this overarching notion that the Golden Order despises the natural state that the land must have been in when the Order first arrived. The crucible, the giants, all snuffed out as much as possible. But as much as they try to suppress Nature, it keeps popping back up like a weed with either these Misbegotten, or the Omen, or other forms of weird environmental storytelling throughout the game. And they seem to hate that even more! It's fun to follow along with, and I'm thankful for Zuille for these spotlight videos that help a great deal with tracking all this.
The smaller, winged Misbegottens always remind me of Animal, the Muppets' rock drummer character
oh shit the blacksmith is a misbogotten? you know i never actually made the connection
The man has wings and a tail.
@@MrFelblood I never looked at his back
I realized that many enemies in this game have weapons. Is it supposed to be symbolic for something or is there another reason?
That misbegotten was a badass. Most of them jump once but this guy would jump like 5 times in a row in quick succession before attacking.
Great work as always, concur with others that the shot of Rennala in the sword's ring is brilliant. I've examined that sword over and over and noticed more and more interesting details, but I still have no idea what it's referring to regarding the telltale signs of its former life as a MLGS, if it's supposed to be something singularly visible and not just the general resemblance(s) in overall form.
He must have stolen it
And for that reason i congratulate Fromsoft, very modern of them to represent a romanian character on one of their games besides Patches.
Romanian moment
The proud vanity of Western Europe and the vulgar cynicism of Eastern Europe, all in one country.
There's some cut dialogue from Turtle Pope that seems to suggest he had a questline that would end with him granting the player a special sword of some kind. Speculation abounds as to whether it was meant to be the Sword of Night and Flame or the Golden Order Greatsword. They're both oddly majestic, powerful weapons to be left in a random chest in the Carian Manor or being lugged around by a random side boss in an optional dungeon.
Given that Turtle Pope likes talking about the Carian family drama, I'm in the camp that he was meant to be holding onto the Golden Order Greatsword until the player proved worthy of it. But FromSoft is known for making a lot of changes during development, so when this idea was discarded, the Golden Order Greatsword was randomly handed off to some Misbegotten in a cave.
"when the mindless monster takes the posture of a holy warrior"
oh fuck, I'm the bad guy
I subscribe to the idea that Radagon threw the sword away, like you mention at the end of this video. And some misbegotten was lucky enough to find it
When I found it in that cave, I had a look at the map, and was struck with this mental image of Radagon, freshly divorced, standing on top of a tower in Leyndell, and just fucking HURLING it as far north as he could, clean over the mountains and out of sight
I like the idea of Radagon tossing the sword and some Misbegotten's like "oooh shiny"
Fascinating, as always. The obscure origin of the Misbegotten is reminiscent of the Albinaurics and another callback to the running motif of the "Promethean mistake" in the franchise. It could be that the Misbegotten are the offspring of Radagon and Marika; the impure yield of intermingling and such. Perhaps it's also an insight into Master Hewg's relationship to Marika, his commitment to forge a weapon to fell a god and his sheer terror of "her." What if his promise was to would forge a weapon that could slay an /Outer/ God? To see Queen Marika disunited with the Greater Will?
Bastard children trying to take a throne is a common theme in George R. R. Martin's work. The idea that the Misbegotten are essentially a race spawned from Radagon and covered up by the Order (and by extension From Software itself) could easily lend to that theme. The strongest of the Misbegotten, the Leonines, being attracted to swords that symbolize rule outright fit this theme.
My theory on a Lenonine with the Golden Order Greatsword is that Radagon did cast the sword into the Cave of the Forlorn, and that this act may have been the cave's namesake. A Leonine, instinctively hunting what it considers his birthright then finds the sword, and then dies at the hands of the Maidenless.
While the sheer lore importance of the Golden Order Greatsword seems out of place in an otherwise unimportant enemy at first glance, that's only if you forget that themes of ambition run as deep as the Erdtree's roots in Elden Ring.
On my first playthrough I noticed the design similarities between the Misbegotten and the Gargoyles, specifically the small wings with some being more developed and capable of flight. I initially thought they were evolving or failed Gargoyles but now I doubt they are connected. I see more of a similarity between the Misbegotten and the Omens with the horn like protrusions all over thier bodies. It is interesting to see thier connection to Radagon though, they seem like failed attempts to create more powerful warriors such as the Gargoyles and Dragonic Tree Sentinels. All of this was most likely done to bolster the Golden Orders ranks to take on the Fire Giants. Then even after the war this was taken a step further by Godrick with the act of grafting to make himself more powerful. The theme of Elden Ring seems to be fusion. The Elden Ring itself is a fusion of all the Great Runes before Marika shattered it.
Its interesting seeing all these links to Radagon, even though in the final version Godfrey has much closer ties to the Misbegotten, given his troop of Crucible Knights and two Omen children.
I was just doing this cave and was wondering this EXACT question!!
Ive always saw Leonines as the Crucible Knights gone feral. Their movesets are similar, both come from same Crucible, and in some cases they're found near each other. The Iron Greatsword and Ordovis's Greatsword are also similar in shape too
I like to interpret it as the Crucible Knights themselves vouching for the more powerful Leonine Misbegotten, as relatives of the Crucible, to be their vassals and spare them the fate of total enslavement or otherwise extermination. At a deeper and more fundamental level, the Misbegotten would represent what were once the divine traits of the Crucible, so perhaps they found it somewhat blasphemous to just do away with them as mere mongrels. I like to think that some greater Misbegotten like the Leonines were taken under the wings of the Crucible Knights as their "squires", elevating them above a mere beast, so long as they adhered to the teachings of the Golden Order. That's probably why the Leonines have a pencahnt for large swords in particular, use a few roundslashes that come right out of Ordovis' textbook, and in one case even has the knowledge and Faith to use the Golden Order Greatsword's weapon arts.
Personally I find it really interesting how at least 3 of the Legendary weapons/armaments are obtained by fighting Leonine Misbegotten bosses, Grafted Blade Greatsword, the Golden Order Greatsword, and the Ruins Greatsword (I may have forgotten one I can’t remember, just remembered these 3 off the top of my head). The connection to the crucible is also strengthened because getting the Ruins Greatsword is a duo fight with a Crucible Knight.
My theory is that the crusader is one of the misbegotten from the Haligtree, on a quest to find Miquella. The Mountaintops are right next to the snowfields and the Haligtree after all, and being called a “Crusader” implies that he’s got a certain goal or agenda in mind, as opposed to being just some random Misbegotten with a sword.
As for why/how he has Radagons sword, I think Miquella might have taken it with him to the haligtree, intending to wield it in battle once his curse of childhood was lifted and he no longer needed malenia to do all the fighting for him.
As for why the crusader uses faith and golden order incantations, it could be that he’s actually channeling his faith in Miquella and his order of Unalloyed Gold, rather than the traditionally xenophobic Golden Order the sword represents.
The scene at 1:22 is incredible, I would be trully thankfull if you ever made a photo/wallpaper album containing shots like these
"At its roots, red hair is…" I see what you did there!
I can't wait to here the new background tracks Zullie will have when Tears of the Kingdom comes out.
Good timing Zullie I just liked that talisman up! I've seen some of the top comments saying Radagon threw his sword away like he did his ex-wife Rennala, and that gives me the impression that Queen Marika cares more for the future of her Kingdom and its people rather then anything else. Queen Marika didn't turn herself into a man just to marry for the sake of it, she did so to stop the hostility between Carian Manor and the Golden Order. That's the impression I get... keep in mind though I haven't completed Elden Ring yet.
I think the story of Radagon's sword goes thusly:
it was the Greatsword gifted to him by Rennala, he wields it as king consort of Liurnia. Radagon is called back to Marika's side as he is a creation of hers. Much like her children, a part of herself given form. Radagon having his own will however, reforges his sword and great rune into two objects, the amber egg held by Rennala, and the new golden order Greatsword.
Radagon then marries Marika, and somewhere between there and locking himself in a tree with himself is forced to give up the sword. Where it ends in a forsaken cave, wielded by a forsaken creature embodying a forsaken cause.
You'll notice it's dropped by the Misbegotten "Crusader". Perhaps he picked up Radagon's lost cause? The crucible being the thing where all life converges, and is often represented by forsaken creatures, is Radagon's Will given to it willingly? Is this what he had to give up to get Marika in the tree?
Radagon a real one. He knew only he could love himself.
Damn you posted this just after I got this sword haha
Hi, this vid reminded me to go and grab the sword before NG+. There is a detail missing: The cave is full of Miquella's Lillies. The misbegotten, like others shunned by the golden order, were drawn to the Halig tree; so having that link to Miquella in the cave certainly isn't a coincidence. I'd say it's likely that the sword was hidden away by Miquella (with or without Radagon's knowledge/blessing) and the misbegoten in the cave are tasked with protecting it.
I think it’s weird that we find these guys in possession of legendary swords, 3 of them.
I have always thought that Leonine had Radagon's sword with the intention of bringing it to Miquella