S&W Revolvers: Which Is Better? Old vs New..!
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Now that I have experience with both the vintage and modern S&W revolvers, I can definitely say that IMHO it all boils down to which one you prefer. As far as shooting enjoyment and functionality is concern they are both great revolvers. It is simply a matter of personal preference.
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You are a well spoken man sir and you display common sense. You are intuitive and people like you are becoming a rare encounter, i want to thank you for what you do! love your videos!
LOL...! Man I thank you for the kind words. Now I'm afraied I might slip-up on the next one. Thanks again...
My son enjoyed your laid back demeanor and he said like me you Definitely Give a Great Review on Our Favorite Revolvers!!! Thank you Sir!!!
No Sir, thank you both...
The frame of the new 686 is slightly larger in the area above the cylinder release. This was done to house the frame mounted firing pin. Also, please note that the hammer is buried further in the new gun when it is in the resting position
Mr. Tom, you are absolutely correct on both observations. I knew the hammer was deeper set because of it's design; but I really have never noticed the difference the frame area above the cylinder release. That was really the first time that I'd actually compare the two side-by-side. I attributed the appearance as being a "forced visual prospective" caused by the slimmer tapered thumb-piece. Thank you Sir very much for pointing that size difference out to me...!!!!
I have watched literally hundreds of pistol videos, and you are the first person to give a name to the "cylinder stop lug" (@ 5:04). Thank you! Now I know what to research! (The vintage gun probably weighs slightly more because it only has 6 holes drilled in it, whereas the newer gun has 7. The vintage gun has six flutes cut into the cylinder, whereas the new gun has 7.)
Thank you.
Weight differences could also partly be explained by the additional cavity in the 7 shot vs. the 6 (more metal removed for 7th round).
You are correct. I weight difference will vary according to which "dash" models are in the comparison. But I believe there is a slight difference of an ounce or two.
Very insightful! I am picking up my first S&W in a few days and your videos helped me make that decision. It’s a new 3” deluxe plus! Can’t wait!
Well thank you Sir. Congratulations on your first S&W revolver. It probably won't be your last on though.
@@mr2275cur got it today! I want it to shine/glow like your firearms. Have you got videos?
@@dmitriponomarev8002 Yes Sir. Check out my channel. I have a few i think...
I enjoy your non biased view. Thank you for the video
Thank you Sir.
I think it has to do with sentimentality. Knowing that you're shooting a revolver from the 60s or 70s in 2023 is something great. I appreciate the fact that these guns are still handcrafted by experts. The old revolvers simply have style. Today, these revolvers are rather a loveless mass product. That doesn't mean they're bad, but it's not the same anymore and never will be again. You always hear that the new revolvers are more stable and that many advances have been made in metallurgy. That's probably true, but you know what? I've been shooting my 29-2s often and regularly for decades with powerful loads (but not psychopath loads) and the revolvers are still doing their job today without any limitations and will probably continue to do so for decades to come. Folks, get your old classics out of the safe, enjoy the old iron and shoot them, because that's what they were built for! Happy shooting!
Bravo!!! Very well stated Sir. That deserves a standing ovation. Sincerely.
To me the 686 plus is one if not thee best combat handgun ever made...
Its awesome.
You are a very well spoken man and know what you are doing in regards to your hobby of gun collection thank you for your time and effort
Thank you Sir for watching and for the kind words.
A pleasure to view this photogenic video and listen to wise counsel. And the best answer to the dilemma of which is better, old or new, ? and which to have, modern or traditional ? Big Swoll58 has got both ! There !
Thank you again Mr. Kluesek for the kind words. They both fantastic guns.
Big you are my kind of revolver fan. And you have the voice and delivery that I suspect will lead to many followers. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the kind words Sir.
I've got one of the newer 686+ in 2.5". Very satisfied with it. I used to have a 686-4 with a 4" barrel years ago. I can probably nit pick, but I think both designs are comparable. The lock is unsightly, but that's all it is.
I agree on all of your points.
Everthing you said is right on the money. I am so glad I found your channel. I love Smith & Wesson revolvers and you have the best collection I have seen. Plus you know what you are talking about and your wise words are much appreciated. I think you and Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ , are now my favorite channels.
Awesome job!! I got my 686+ today. That is a sweet shooting revolver. Thanks for the video keep it up!
Congratulations Sir. Enjoy it...
Beautiful guns man. You do a nice job making them look good. I LOVE that older 686. I want one of those and a 586 snub to go with it. Can't wait.
Thank you Sir. I feel 'ya.. Get 'em..
Thank you for comparing an older 686 with a newer 686 Plus. It was very helpful. Your revolver collection is amazing, as is your knowledge! I only have three S&W revolvers but they are wonderful: a 6" Model 19-3 I bought in 1976 , a 2.5" Model 66-2 (1982) and a brand new 4" Model 686-6 Plus. And a new production Colt Python 4.25". I love all of them but must say the L-frame and 7th round make the new 686 Plus stand out, so I choose it as best. The Model 19 and Python are just too pretty to risk dinging up and the Model 66 is a little small. The 686 Plus is in the Goldilocks zone, just right! And the extra round is the icing on the cake. Thanks again for all your great videos.
Thank you Mr. Quentin. I like everything you have too. I'm looking for an affordable 4" Model 19 right now. And I've been drooling over the new Pythons, but can't quite make up my mind. Enjoy your new 686-plus.
Well said sir! I am a big advocate in my videos that you have to find what works for you, do your own research, talk to experts, and your local gun resources and make the decision that works best for you and your intended purpose for the gun. Thanks for this commonsense approach to firearm selection.
I like the lock for when I store it, peace of mind.
Most definitely. I will occasionally shoot with the wood stocks, but I usually swap them out for some rubber stocks to keep the fresh.
As usual, excellent video. I mentioned in another video you posted that I have a 4 in verson (-6). I’ll never use the trigger lock, so I replaced the release with a Tromix stainless one. It completely covers the lock hole and is a drop in item.
I also replaced the tiny hammer with a wide, low-setting S&W target hammer. Again, a drop in part with no modification.
Now, my 686 is not only aesthetically more beautiful than an “old” model, but in my opinion, is built better than the older models.
MIM parts are extremely strong and are hardened through all the way instead of 6 or 7 thousandths of an inch on forged parts. In addition, the old hammer nose mounted (firing pin) was and is prone to breakage or bending. That usually isn’t an issue with a frame mounted firing pin.
Don’t get me wrong, I like old Smiths and own several. But old isn’t always better. 👍
i totally agree. I bet that target hammer really looks good on the 686. I'd love to see some pics of it.
I’ve got to agree with you on the New Vs. The Old Sir!!! Personally I’d like to have the older model because the hammer and actual gun was just made a little bit better to me. However as a S&W Fan/Man the newer are mighty nice as well especially the extra round which if you are old like me I tend to forget they have one more round as opposed to The 6 Shot Revolvers!!! So I’ll say Thanks for your review and I’ll be watching more of your posts now that I’ve subscribed to your site. Thanks again
Thank you and thanks for subbing...
Excellent review, very informative 👍
Thank you Mr. Smith.
Love your videos, Big Swoll!! Excellent input, well spoken and very informative.
I just refinished my first set of target grips based off some of your other videos- they turned out great!
Wish I would have found these videos a few years ago, but you have a new fan now. Lol
Thanks for the kind words Sir. And I'm glad your stock refinishing went well.
If you want a trigger pull gauge I'll donate one. Liking your content. Looking forward to the channel growth.
Thank you for the offer. That's especially kind of you. But, I really prefer my built-in trigger finger gauge. It's the real test to me. If it feels good, then it's just right.
Great video. Can anyone else hear that tingy echo when he dry fires the new gun? I don’t know, to me the older gun are just of better quality.
Thank you Mr. Henderson. And yes, I hear it. It has a thin metal sound which does make it sound like it is a lesser quality gun.
Outstanding review, thank you.
Im going to have a model 27 classic (27-9) coming Wednesday and I can’t wait to get my hands on it. First firearm I’m going to have. :)
Your revolver’s are beautiful! Keep up the good work with the videos!!!
You're the goat bro. Not a better explained, in all of the youtube gun world.
Great job sir and thank you ! 👍🏻🙏💕
Love your videos I’m currently looking for a 357 mag and your video are very informative and detailed, thanks
You're welcome and thank you...
Gray video, my biggest concern was and is that internal lock. I brought my revolvers in the early 90s and I don't intend to get rid of them.
i prefer the pre-locks guns too, but I'm okay with the modern ones.
The one thing I really dislike is the clink clank with the frame lock firearm I own both and still prefer the older
They do sound a little different when you dry fire them. I think its the difference if the SS density or thickness.
Hello Sir. Great channel and good info. Are those guns nickel plated? Thanks.
Thank you Mr. Cooper. No Sir, these are polished SS.
At 10:37. Live tap. More buffing maybe needed. Nice pair.
Thanks for heads-up. Probably just lighting or video.
I saw them clack together. Accidentally. I have a 2.5" -6.
The barrel on the -6 looks a bit thicker/ rounder compared to the vintage.
Love them both! Where can I get those combat stocks? They look great on those guns. Thanks in advance.
Thank you Sir. The set on the '-6' (left) are actually after stocks from a company called www.gungrips.com. They make awesome S&W combat stocks. The other set are S&W factory originals that I purchased on eBay.
I would take and older Smith over a newer one everyday of the week. I'm not saying the new ones crap, not at all. But, I would bet if you took a new model 29 made in the 70s and a new one made today and started shooting the same ammo through them the newer one would give you problems first. Again, not bashing the modern ones, I have several and carry one daily.
You very well may be correct. But i believe it would take a lot more ammo and expense than the average shooter would ever spend to find out.
@@mr2275cur LOL oh yes a LOT of ammo! I'll volunteer to be part of the test as long as it's someone else's gun and they supply the ammo. 😀
@@rebelray84 Me too. Sign me up...!
They got a ss beef plug kit for the hole
Yeah I know and I've seen them. I rather leave it like it is. A bad as the lock locks, the plugs look worse to me.
Appreciate this video, thanks!
I'll take older Smiths all day long over today's new ones.
Today's new are great guns, but I'm with you that. I prefer the older ones too.
The one you can hit the target with is the one for you be it vintage or new
Correct... I think!
@@mr2275cur good luck be well
Have seen many of the new ones with 'canted' barrels over the years? Do you feel the general quality or factory spec has gone down? I have heard some horror stories but also some good ones. BTW I'm in Australia and love your videos.
Thank you Sir for bring some love from Way Down Under.
My opinion is that S&W overall quality and specs have not waned. S&W had a bad few years in the 2012 - 2016 time frame with off centered or "canted barrels. I saw a lot of them, but never owned one. They've since corrected the problems and that's no longer an issue as far as I know. S&W in just any other manufacturer. They sometimes make design or manufacturing errors. I don't have any concerns with the two S&W modern revolvers I currently have. Early revolvers had issues too, but there wasn't any social media platforms back then to publicly excoriate them on about it.
@@mr2275cur Thank you for your detailed reply Swoll.
@@HeavyJ318 Thank care "Mate"!
Sir on the new 686 plus for 2022 did they correct the problem with the cant barrel. Thanks
Yes Sir. S&W corrected that issue several years ago. You rarely see them anymore. But, examine used guns really good before buying one. There is still a good bit of those floating around.
Of course old is better. I have a an old model 10 snubby that has a better trigger than any of my Performance Center models.
When buying an older one is there anything to be worried about like how many times it was fired reliability or is just as good as new because if I purchase one I want to use it??
Well, anytime you buy an old or even newer used gun you need to inspect it thoroughly. You rarely will find any significant issues with a well operated and maintained S&W revolver, but there are always exceptions. Fired Round count usually isn't a concern. It takes tens of thousands rounds to do any real damage to these revolvers. Most issues with an older revolver are generally only cosmetic in nature.
@@mr2275cur Got you I’d like to buy a 686 just not sure what route to go..
@@Ben-sv9op New or Older?
@@mr2275cur old I just wanna be able to plink with it like I would with a new one and not be concerned about reliability
@@Ben-sv9op The 686 is a very reliable, beast of a gun. You should have any issues finding a great older gun.
Hi, Was the 686-3 2.5 inch sold with the target stock grips or the combat grips or both? thanks just curious
It had some worn out and broken combat stocks on it when I bought it. I purchased these on eBay and refinished them.
Kevin The Great the grips he has on it are what they came with the vast majority of the time. I saw one picture online of one that came with the magna (panel) grips and I saw one at a big gun show that had magnas as well, but this is usually what the 686 and 596 snubs came with. The grips look great and that's how it is supposed to be. I thought I'd really like those style grips, because I thiught they were nice and thin. I finally found a gun with them to hold and they are large for my liking but they are pretty popular and they sell for a lot just by themselves. I have all magna grips on my Smiths because I like being able to wrap my fingers all the way around the butt of the gun like I'm choking it to death lol. They just feel great and look great on pretty much any Smith at least up to a 4 inch barrel. Even a 4 inch 581/681 and a 4 inch 586/686 look great.
@@erictalkington5674 There is no argument there. The magnas look great on all S&W's with 4" or less barrels, and I like the look too. But they are too small for my hand amd grip feel, and are not comfortable to shoot with. Plus I prefer the look and feel of the the Goncalo Alves Target and Combat stocks the most.
Where’s the best place to purchase a 357?
Well, usually at a gun dealer or firearms store.
@@mr2275cur Yes sorry I should 've been more clear, what I meant was can you recommend anywhere please? I'm currently looking and I'm having no luck founding one.
@@ShellieRMoore Yes, try Gunbroker if you want a 686-3.
Does one have a better balance than the other
I think the older guns balance better than the new ones, because there feel a little heavier and thicker in my hands.
Go vintage and never look back!
I like the older too, but the modern ones aren't bad.
@@mr2275cur we could just talk gun's all day.😋
@@shockwave6416 Absolutely.
I'm going to try a no dash model 686
@@mr2275cur hoping the no dash is a good gun.
Cylinder stop in the new ones is a bigger deal to me then the mim parts ...
I hear you. I'm not a fan of it either. It looks great, but is not as easily functional as the earlier ones.