A Story from Lacan's Practice
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- This is a wonderful story from Lacan's clinic as told by Suzanne Hommel, in analysis with Lacan in 1974. The excerpt is from Gérard Miller's film 'Rendez-vous chez Lacan'. The film is in French but I have appended subtitles for the benefit of English speakers.
As a young girl when war broke out, Hommel had experienced at first hand the occupation of her country by the Nazis, and recounts this story from her psychoanalysis with Lacan which dealt with her memories from this time. It gives us a rare insight into how Lacan worked, his extraordinary method of intervention on the basis of a single signifier (in French, 'Gestapo' and 'geste à peau' are pronounced almost identically), and how he was able to bring about a therapeutic effect for his analysand.
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This is perhaps one true sacred moment in the history of Psychoanalysis
Agreed.
This is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard.
I think that Suzanne learned to lived with what we might call, her 'experiences' of the Holocaust. Which for her is a lived experience that I can only imagine and try to explain. She mentioned later in the film, that she learned that she would only ever be able to cope with her 'experiences.' Lacan's intervention was a part of supporting her to cope. He enabled the signifier, 'Gestapo', to reduce the Real (or the horror, the fear, etc) in Suzanne's dream and when she hears it.
So simple and powerful.
i do very much hope the rest gets subtitled too!
What an extraordinary association! But what sort of 'gesture on the skin' of humanity, of France, of this woman, did the Gestapo perform? And by breaking the psychoanalytic rule of 'abstinence' in touching this woman, was Lacan implicitly approving of the Gestapo's own infringement of human rights? I don't think so, I think he was probably offering human warmth as an appropriate remedy for human cruelty. But there is an interesting transgression of personal and professional boundaries in both.
Lacan was attempting to facilitate a moment of catharsis. The linguistic association between the two notions is the key here. He believed that by evoking this semiotic commonality between two utterly opposed symbols (the humane gesture on one side, and the inhumanity of the holocaust on the other) he could facilitate a cathartic reinterpretation of the holocaust as a problematic fantasy object (which we know it had become due to its presence within the dream). Lacan was attempting to bring relief to this individual by evoking a reinterpretation which would resolve, or at least harmonize, the dissonance between the two disparate invocations brought forth through the fantasy object.
Quite a therapeutic genius. A truly touching moment of healing, both literally and figuratively! But also, what a risk! Like touching an abused woman while she's telling you of her rape - yet managing to convey safety, trust, humanity, love in the touch...
@@byrongaist699 This really seems to show how there is only ever one real rule "do the right thing" and every other concrete rule is just trying to explain that concept through signs.
This appeal to unconscious meaning of words that comes from the building of language during early childhood, as a way to heal the unconscious or unlock it is not so much different from Freud analysis, of dreams among others. Except, I don't know if lacan had captured the algorithmic nature of dreams and the unconscious unlocking itself randomly, he takes it nearly as a philosophy as there was a global meaning in that chaos echoing to the rest of the "réel", creating one version.. some others use even more the it language as a real language.. come on.. I agree with Chomsky
Huh? What are you going on about?
The reason why Lacan's theories sound like Freud is because Lacan is Freudian. Lacan's theories are seen as a development and continuation of Freuds theories on the subconscious. This would be like saying "Einstein is not so much different from Newton as they both talk about space and time"
How can something be algorithmic and random? That seems to be a contradiction doesn't it? Regardless Lacan did take a algorithmic approach to laying out his model of subjectivity through his graphs of desire, where concepts were represented into discrete symbols and steps and laid out in a flow chart. His model of subjectivity is one of self-recursion and reflexivity. How we use language to define ourselves, of which language in turn refers to itself to define the words we use to define ourselves. So a recursive model very much that "unlocks itself" as you say.
Also agree with Chomsky about what? Chomsky's theory is explicitly one where there is a universal form and structure to language. This is what Lacan is doing when discussing symbols, imagery and the real. The content of particular words and imagery is not universal, how those symbols and imagery are already in a structural relationship even prior our conscious recognition of the meaning of those words. This is how Chomsky approaches grammar. What is universal is not semantics, ( Colorless green ideas sleep furiously ) but syntax. There is a structure in language that exists independent from the meaning of the words themselves.
@@SOLOcan Je ne comprends rien à la fin.
@@nadiafetouni touché
It's remarcable that what the lady describes has nothing to do with interpretation or any other standard element of psychoanalytic technique. In the very end, at its very basic and deepest level, this is what therapy, and analysis in particular, is all about. This is what cures, not some clever or highbrow interpretations or theoretical ideas. This comes to prove that Lacan probably understood the more subtle relational agenda of theorists like Fairbairn, although he had criticized him in not very fair and comprehensive way.
Is anyone here resourceful enough to be able to link me to an english subtitled copy of this documentary?
For me it actually appears in the 'up next' column to the right. But here is a link anyway: ruclips.net/video/f1F-zysTjWg/видео.html
I realize your comment is four years old so perhaps you've found it already...
@@nickcarveth video is gone :/
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Extraordinario.
beautiful
Bien.
Bravo, Paul!
Todo q'he visto y oido es de mucha utilidad y sumamente interesante.
"Jacques Lacan I actually knew. I kind of liked him. We had meetings every once in awhile. But quite frankly I thought he was a total charlatan. He was just posturing for the television cameras in the way many Paris intellectuals do. Why this is influential, I haven’t the slightest idea. I don’t see anything there that should be influential. So many you can tell me why you think there's something significant. I don't see it. But yeah I'm not interested in that kind of theoretical posturing which has no content. " Noam Chomsky
This clip is such a beautiful illustration of the great blind spot in Noam Chomsky's thinking.
+Omer Berner Exactly! Psychoanalysis is the science of the non-sens, not of the illogical but of the aspects of language that restricts not to the content.
Chomsky is great but Lacan is greater.
@@Xhermit3 What blind spot does the clip show?
chomsky calls everyone who disagrees with him a charlatan
"It didn't diminish the pain".
Failed therapy. Wordplay is not treatment.
"It didn't diminish the pain but made it something else." How thick in the head can you be, you conveniently left out half the sentence.
Should it diminish the pain instantly? It’s not wordplay, it s recontextulization to place the subject farther away from the Real as there is no other way to do so but reassigning signification in the symbolic field 🤔
Yeah should have just given her a bag of heroin.
Maybe you can do other things with pain than to diminish it. Life is not a simple ledger of good and bad.
Yes, quite: Lacan "failed therapy" because what he offered was not therapy. You could just as well have said "failed carpentry," "failed deep-sea diving," "failed hairdressing." But you stumble into a very telling therapistic assumption: the pain not diminishing is a "failure," meaning that "pain reduction" equates to success. Psychotherapy - and to be quite clear, Lacan was not a psychotherapist - regards itself as a kind of spoken-word analgesic. Less pain good, more pain bad: this demand to "make me feel less pain" is what drives people into suicide cults and hard drugs.