These videos are straight to the point . Athlete videos are 15 min, I am at the gym and I just a quick refresher on how to do the workout the correct way , not a 15 min seminar.
Yeah I need to do this, I lean do the left all the time playing games and when I stand straight up I can see that my left shoulder is lower and sticks out forward more.
This is basically internal rotation within en elevated position of the shoulder joint, plus its loaded with weights. If you wanna fuck your shoulder, keep on doing this, its almost identical with an upright row. Better do them with a neutral grip, palms facing upwards, leading with ur thumbs, so you got external rotation.
Doing an external rotation of the arm on this movement is better for hitting those muscle groups plus it's more effective at opening up your posterior chain.
@@omarkhamis523 external rotation : put your arms at a 90 degree angle and in the position you would do a shoulder press...now rotate it front and back keeping that angle such that your shoulder (glenohumeral joint) is the axis point. Now imagine doing that and holding the rope give or take a little movement in the elbow. That is what he is referring to
I’m pretty sure this was the first guy I watched gym videos from when i was like 10 years old and had to do excersices in my room. Funny thing that i’m still watching him
I'm literally at the same machine and the same gym where he just showed this exercise. Kind of ironic. I was skeptical about the way I was doing it so I searched for a proper way of doing the exercise on RUclips and this one popped up. Small world 🌎
It would have been funny if Kris would have stopped talking during that moment to give that guy doing lat pull-downs a bit of advice. Then just at the end of the video what was that other guy doing behind him?
Jeff Athleans version is different than this. He uses an underhand grip, pulling back more like a bicep curl. This is an overhand grip. Jeff specifically warns against this, for whatever that's worth. Not sure who's right, but I'm going with Jeffs version since he's so obsessed with this movement.
Always have trouble with balance on these - almost launch forward with the rope… should I lower weight or change stance in some way (almost leaning backwards to counteract)
I have the same - feels way too light to go lighter than I am without having to lean back. Leaning and going heavier feels the best solution. What did you do in the end?
Your grip is probably right. The grip in the video puts your shoulders in internal rotation which overtime can cause impingement or tendinitis. Palms up or facing each other is safer
While doing this I feel I loose balance when I back away front when rack and tend to squat to regain my balance. Is that the correct way to do this exercises or should I remove the squat?
Just use the default lightning dragon yinyang ancient 10,000 blade rebirth ressurection samara stance, its taught at every gym and temple after the horse stance
I hear a cracking and popping sound in my left shoulder when I do face pulls. I fear it's an injury waiting to happen. It might be my rotator cuff. What would you recommend?
I’ve seen this done so many different ways. This guy has and over the rope grip. I saw a couple of videos with the grip under and the pulley lower. Which one is better?
giggityeffyou Jeff uses fake weights and can’t squat or deadlift have fun not making any gains . Look at Jessie it’s been three years looks like he’s worked out for 9months. GREAAAT
I do them with a different kind of grip. The rope comes out of the pinky side. That’s I learned to do them from Athlean-X. I don’t know if that targets a different muscle. I’ll try both.
You can stagger your legs one forward like doing cable flys. Option B sit your hips/butt back like forming a squat. That should allow you to counter that weight. 💪🏼
@@anthonykhoury9292 which is why you should be externally rotating your shoulders. My point exactly. Your rear delta and rhomboids have essentially 0 activation when you internally rotate your shoulders like this person. Watch Jeff Cavalier or anyone else who knows how to properly perform this exercise. It's painful to watch someone demonstrate an exercise and completely do it wrong so that it literally doesn't work the muscles that it's intended to.
@@luketroyer7620 I did this workout today and felt it perfectly on my rear delt and rhomboids. Keep your back straight nice and tight and squeeze with that form you’ll feel it. And you must consider, the development status of the muscles play a role and genetics.
@@anthonykhoury9292 bruh he's saying if you follow the form shown in the video not only are you failing to break down the muscles you're trying to, but you're actively damaging your shoulder cuff. You have to have an underhand grip, your elbows need to come back further, and your hands need to rotate to be either behind the elbow or level with them so you can activate the shoulder properly without compromising your health
I've just started actually going to the gym. While doing this I always feel like I can do more weight. I'm roughly 160lbs and I'm pulling 100lbs. But my stance is leaned back quite a bit to offset my weight. I can pull it no problem but will leaning back affect the exorcize
@Christina Reynolds half knowledge can be just as dangerous. being ripped doesn't mean shit when you got no form. his technique of face pulls is wrong. you should be using a bigger rope to do face fulls to get the full range of motion. what he's doing is some sort of a pump work out. to work the lateral and posterior deltoid your elbows should be atleast 1.5 times your arm length at max contraction and when you let go slowly you work your teres minor and your infrapinatus. anatomy 101.
Christina Reynolds he’s performing the lat pulldown wrong (for hypertrophy), if he’s doing a couple sets like that it’s fine. Proper form wins everytime for max muscle gain in the lats
Because they all want views and subscription numbers. They deliberately say polar opposite things even if they know it's wrong. It's all bullshit. Just ignore them and fcking train
@@peternagy-im4belmao if you think ignoring advice that is specifically aimed at injury prevention is a good idea, have fun not going to the gym and losing gains when you inevitably get injured
@@robocu4 here's my advice to avoid injury: don't lift heavy. Better yet, don't drive to the gym; a lot of people get injured in car crashes. So you're not going to ignore my injury prevention advice are you?? It's almost like some advice is good, some advice is situationally good, and some advice is bad. So telling people to just accept all advice is shit
This is incorrect. I looked up face pulls quick and found this video. Did them this way then had to end my set and go home. Later check again with a trainer and other sources and told it's wrong.
Go to athlean X for proper advice. Hes an expert trainer on RUclips and is referenced by the best of the best all the time. Especially face pulls are his bread and butter so look up his tutorial to get the perfect form for this exercise
@@bebomann5957 I think it depends of what you want to get from this exercise. To emphasize external rotation, it's best to keep elbows at 90-90 and ensure full external rotation ROM like athleanX. If your shoulders are healthy and you just want to target upper back in a slightly different way than regular rows for bodybuilding purposes, the technique shown here is best because you can use way more load, which is necessary for a decent traps/rhomboids stimulus (but you won't be able to fully isolate external rotators this way because the load is too heavy). So basically there's two versions of this: - Face pulls as a rowing variation (this technique) - Face pulls for external rotators (athleanx technique)
Ouch.......all internal rotation.....guys if you want to fry your rotator cuff, this is the technique to follow. Thumb should always be pointing to 2-3PM during this exercise
You're gripping the rope incorrectly. Thumbs should be pointing towards you, not away. (Thumbs should be on the outside of the rope, not inside. Lmao....
This is a few years old now, and wrong. It needs correcting. Watch Jeff's video on how to do face pulls without internally rotating the shoulder. ruclips.net/video/eIq5CB9JfKE/видео.html
They also target the lateral delts if you externally rotate your arms as you perform the exercise....emg evidence suggests that they are better at targeting the lateral delts compared to Dumbbell lateral raises
You can definitely add an external rotation to the end of the movement. Our goal is to demonstrate the basics to those learning the movement. Thank you for the additional tip!
These videos are straight to the point . Athlete videos are 15 min, I am at the gym and I just a quick refresher on how to do the workout the correct way , not a 15 min seminar.
lol thats exactly how i feel about most of their vids, i dont need to know the bible of why the exercise works and all that
@@Spartan1337
you should
Lmaoaoaoao same
but its wrong tho .
this guy video is wrong . also u can fast forward altheanx video atleast its the correct form
Love athlene x but his vids are too long I need short vids like this
hes misleading asf
Just did this exact same thing. Lol. Just left a Jeff video.
I literally was just thinking the same shit. Thats why I’m here haha
Face pulls could be killing your gains!
@@NotTodayBud why?
Watching this while standing clueless in front of the cable machine 😂😂😂
Same 😂
Ironic since this guy is also.
Traps, rear delts, rhomboids..this exercise is a true gem! Must have in your back workout, especially if your shoulders round forward all the time.
Aftab Ali Fasahath what’s the name of the song in the background??
My shoulders do that all the time!
You will literally cause more rounding doin them this way, under hand grip is much more beneficial for your shoulders
Yeah I need to do this, I lean do the left all the time playing games and when I stand straight up I can see that my left shoulder is lower and sticks out forward more.
I'm gonna include this in my shoulder day.
This is basically internal rotation within en elevated position of the shoulder joint, plus its loaded with weights. If you wanna fuck your shoulder, keep on doing this, its almost identical with an upright row.
Better do them with a neutral grip, palms facing upwards, leading with ur thumbs, so you got external rotation.
Like how he patiently explains the importance of correct form while the bloke in the background does lat pulldowns incorrectly 😛
Thats not incorrect at all, just a bit different
What makes it incorrect is the jurking motion. Everything else in the motion looks spot on.
that’s all i was watching lmaooo i was just thinking holy shit ur teaching the wrong people teach this man how to fix his form 😂
this guy form is wrong af
where?
1:00 That Guy in the Blue Shirt killed me🤣 I wounder if he even feels his lats
😂😂😂I screamed in the gym when I saw that
Lower back pump for days
he is going for a ride
@@kristoffseisler2163 LMAO
@@kristoffseisler2163 🤣🤣
Doing an external rotation of the arm on this movement is better for hitting those muscle groups plus it's more effective at opening up your posterior chain.
Exactly.
What's external rotation
@Christina Reynolds athleanx haha.
@@omarkhamis523 external rotation : put your arms at a 90 degree angle and in the position you would do a shoulder press...now rotate it front and back keeping that angle such that your shoulder (glenohumeral joint) is the axis point. Now imagine doing that and holding the rope give or take a little movement in the elbow. That is what he is referring to
@@illahee24 Your thumbs should beat your elbows back. The method in this video has already killed some of our gains just watching it.
Haha the guy behind is fighting with the Maschine
@Steven Mark Tobin hahaha
I’m pretty sure this was the first guy I watched gym videos from when i was like 10 years old and had to do excersices in my room. Funny thing that i’m still watching him
I'm literally at the same machine and the same gym where he just showed this exercise.
Kind of ironic. I was skeptical about the way I was doing it so I searched for a proper way of doing the exercise on RUclips and this one popped up.
Small world 🌎
What gym is it ?
@@ORIGINOLINDIVIDUAL Axiom Fitness Parkcenter in Boise,ID
Was that guy there doing a lumbar pulldown?
Isnt this going to injure rotator cuff
It would have been funny if Kris would have stopped talking during that moment to give that guy doing lat pull-downs a bit of advice. Then just at the end of the video what was that other guy doing behind him?
Joe Salmi i was thinking that too😂😂😂
m e too
The guy on the lat pulldown is doing nothing wrong :)
Yeah LOL
Yep far too much momentum
Jeff Athleans version is different than this. He uses an underhand grip, pulling back more like a bicep curl. This is an overhand grip. Jeff specifically warns against this, for whatever that's worth. Not sure who's right, but I'm going with Jeffs version since he's so obsessed with this movement.
TOTALLY WRONG! It is supposed to be an under grip NOT an over grip. Duh.
1:02 Jesus Christ the guy in the back doing Lat Pulls got all kinds of swing action going on, he has all kinds of bad form.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that!
I love gym, I love body building and sport in generally:a very fantastic world.
Always have trouble with balance on these - almost launch forward with the rope… should I lower weight or change stance in some way (almost leaning backwards to counteract)
yeah, you're probably going to heavy
I have the same - feels way too light to go lighter than I am without having to lean back. Leaning and going heavier feels the best solution. What did you do in the end?
Thanks mate that was very helpful 👍
wrong! Caught it off the thumbnail.
Your grip is opposite. should be thumbs back.
That lats pulldown lad with the perfect form tho 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Internal rotation with elevation. Not a good idea.
I always thought it was a different grip. I use a sort of over hand ish upside down grip and I feel it fine in rear delts/ traps /back
Your grip is probably right. The grip in the video puts your shoulders in internal rotation which overtime can cause impingement or tendinitis. Palms up or facing each other is safer
This is literally the wrong way to do it
@@Whocares1987exactly my thought.
Thank you for the vid!
While doing this I feel I loose balance when I back away front when rack and tend to squat to regain my balance. Is that the correct way to do this exercises or should I remove the squat?
Beautiful, perfect video!
Thank you King
Thank you
I tried it today and even though i could do the weight it kept pulling me and i couldn't find balance any tips?
Wish you would have showed us the feet stance as well.
square up
@@samramos1470 fight me
Just use the default lightning dragon yinyang ancient 10,000 blade rebirth ressurection samara stance, its taught at every gym and temple after the horse stance
On floor making V.
@@noahjones9833 stop horsing around
Xcellent xplanation
To paraphrase The Dom, this guy has revolutionised fitness by teaching the correct way, to do an incorrect face-pull.
Would it be better to do the movement above your head, apparently it targets the rotator cuff more if you do
If you use a supinated grip, you'll put your shoulders into external rotation for better full ROM when going into the concentric phase of the workout.
Thank you for showing me the demonstration on how to the face pull.
Don’t do this
@@jackvarcoe7815 why
@@callumsbodypillow6133 because the form shown in the video is completely wrong and will cause shoulder problems
Great way to show how to incorrectly do the exercise
Finally someone else noticed
I hear a cracking and popping sound in my left shoulder when I do face pulls. I fear it's an injury waiting to happen. It might be my rotator cuff. What would you recommend?
Maybe try underhand instead
Is there anything wrong with having the cable on a lower height setting. Like at the bottom?
Not bottom but set it to your chest level
@@nuski6666 thanks mate. I will give this a go
@@KayMac1 ✌
I’ve seen this done so many different ways. This guy has and over the rope grip. I saw a couple of videos with the grip under and the pulley lower. Which one is better?
ruclips.net/video/eIq5CB9JfKE/видео.html
I just linked the athlean x video. Give it a watch and do it as he shows
he's doing it wrong, follow athleanx's video
Thanks bro
3 set 12 rep
Yes
Eek..that internal rotation looks painful.
Audairevonetta is it wrong because they’re doing an overhand grip rather than an underhand grip?
Yup! Gonna trust Jeff since he's a physical therapist and this dude seems like a gym bro
Miles Chan So?
Linonav tf you mean so? I was asking a question
giggityeffyou Jeff uses fake weights and can’t squat or deadlift have fun not making any gains . Look at Jessie it’s been three years looks like he’s worked out for 9months. GREAAAT
What face pulls work????
Love the man in the back with the blue shirt totally ignoring the eccentric movement and just letting it fly back 😅
i struggle to keep my balance. i keep on pulling my body towards the machin rather than the ropes towards me. Any tips?
Yeh I'm the same. I can pull it back and then when I release it just pulls me over 😂
Lower the weight
@@peterjones2407 my upper back/ rear delts barely get a workout even with the weight I am doing.
@@xenomusic5363 cable rear delt fly is a great workout for rear delts
Reduce weight
You don’t know what you are talking about , all due respect !! It’s a bad advice guy !
I do them with a different kind of grip. The rope comes out of the pinky side. That’s I learned to do them from Athlean-X. I don’t know if that targets a different muscle. I’ll try both.
Perfect video
I have a hard time not being on my tippy toes when doing this workout, and when i go lighter, it often feels much too light, how do I solve this?
Lean back enough to counter the weight
You can stagger your legs one forward like doing cable flys. Option B sit your hips/butt back like forming a squat. That should allow you to counter that weight. 💪🏼
@@TheGuyd thanks bro, gonna try it tomorrow
@@zelusd No problem! Let me know how things turned out 💪🏼
Wait, you're internally rotating your shoulders, doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of this excercise?
It’s focuses on the rear delts along with the traps/rhomboids
@@anthonykhoury9292 which is why you should be externally rotating your shoulders. My point exactly. Your rear delta and rhomboids have essentially 0 activation when you internally rotate your shoulders like this person. Watch Jeff Cavalier or anyone else who knows how to properly perform this exercise. It's painful to watch someone demonstrate an exercise and completely do it wrong so that it literally doesn't work the muscles that it's intended to.
@@luketroyer7620 I did this workout today and felt it perfectly on my rear delt and rhomboids. Keep your back straight nice and tight and squeeze with that form you’ll feel it. And you must consider, the development status of the muscles play a role and genetics.
@@anthonykhoury9292 bruh he's saying if you follow the form shown in the video not only are you failing to break down the muscles you're trying to, but you're actively damaging your shoulder cuff. You have to have an underhand grip, your elbows need to come back further, and your hands need to rotate to be either behind the elbow or level with them so you can activate the shoulder properly without compromising your health
He’s doing it all wrong.
Love this exercise. I’m putting it into my routine from now on. ❤
Is this exercise more focused on upper traps or rear deltoids? Thank you!
Upper traps
How come I need to lean back much further than that? I tried this with 30kg for reference
any dude with a cut like that can 100% be trusted
the guy in blue should learn how to use that machine properly
It is so funny how there are other videos saying you should specifically not do face pulls like this. Fitness industry is a mess.
I've just started actually going to the gym. While doing this I always feel like I can do more weight. I'm roughly 160lbs and I'm pulling 100lbs. But my stance is leaned back quite a bit to offset my weight. I can pull it no problem but will leaning back affect the exorcize
Then you are doing it wrong. 100lbs doesnt make sense for this exercise.
face pulling 100lbs???
Lie or not, that is just stupid
Lil bro thought bragging his “100lb” Face pull would make people impressed
@@mev7709he didn’t think anything. He was simply asking if doing so much weight had affected his ability to do it in proper form.
Jeff at Athlean X does it correctly this is wrong and will lead to injury
Finally not 20 mins video
It works a lot better if you have your hands the other way, so you’re from pointing backwards
1:02 somebody butchering an exercise right in front of him....🤣
@Christina Reynolds everything. the angel to work your lats is about 15 degrees.
@Christina Reynolds half knowledge can be just as dangerous. being ripped doesn't mean shit when you got no form.
his technique of face pulls is wrong. you should be using a bigger rope to do face fulls to get the full range of motion. what he's doing is some sort of a pump work out.
to work the lateral and posterior deltoid your elbows should be atleast 1.5 times your arm length at max contraction and when you let go slowly you work your teres minor and your infrapinatus.
anatomy 101.
@Christina Reynolds i was referring the to guy doing the face pulls in the second part.
Everyone I see doing lat pulldowns rock back and forth like that
Christina Reynolds he’s performing the lat pulldown wrong (for hypertrophy), if he’s doing a couple sets like that it’s fine. Proper form wins everytime for max muscle gain in the lats
That's exactly how not to do this exercise
That’s what I was thinking. 😆
@Auditor exposer his shoulders are internally rotated.
What about footwork
Legend
Por q me pega un calambre aqui
Meanwhile dude in the background doing the world's worst lat pulldowns
Love how he does everything exactly opposite of what you are supposed to 😂😂😂 and all the people commenting "this is great".
Yikes.
how
Bruh u skinny af calm down
I thought you’re suppose to start from chest level & your Elbows should raise above your wrist level ?
Nope, it’s supposed to be above. Different angles will change the muscle used.
Sounds like a military press. You do as the name says. Pull to your face while avoiding internal rotation because its not a natural movement
bro u need to help the guy in the back 😂
Compare Athlean-X on this exercise. He says NO to everything this guy is doing.
Because they all want views and subscription numbers. They deliberately say polar opposite things even if they know it's wrong. It's all bullshit. Just ignore them and fcking train
@@peternagy-im4belmao if you think ignoring advice that is specifically aimed at injury prevention is a good idea, have fun not going to the gym and losing gains when you inevitably get injured
@@robocu4 here's my advice to avoid injury: don't lift heavy. Better yet, don't drive to the gym; a lot of people get injured in car crashes. So you're not going to ignore my injury prevention advice are you?? It's almost like some advice is good, some advice is situationally good, and some advice is bad. So telling people to just accept all advice is shit
This is incorrect. I looked up face pulls quick and found this video. Did them this way then had to end my set and go home. Later check again with a trainer and other sources and told it's wrong.
Go to athlean X for proper advice.
Hes an expert trainer on RUclips and is referenced by the best of the best all the time.
Especially face pulls are his bread and butter so look up his tutorial to get the perfect form for this exercise
This isn’t the method taught by everyone else. Its supposed to be external rotation there.
Actually this is not the way to perform them properly.
So many incorrect versions of this exercise all over RUclips from fitness personalities. So glad to have finally found the proper form.
This is the incorrect form, though. Check out Athlean X’s video: ruclips.net/video/eIq5CB9JfKE/видео.html.
Sadly it’s wrong as well. External rotation is mandatory for this exercise
@@bebomann5957 I think it depends of what you want to get from this exercise. To emphasize external rotation, it's best to keep elbows at 90-90 and ensure full external rotation ROM like athleanX. If your shoulders are healthy and you just want to target upper back in a slightly different way than regular rows for bodybuilding purposes, the technique shown here is best because you can use way more load, which is necessary for a decent traps/rhomboids stimulus (but you won't be able to fully isolate external rotators this way because the load is too heavy). So basically there's two versions of this:
- Face pulls as a rowing variation (this technique)
- Face pulls for external rotators (athleanx technique)
Anyone see that guy in the background going way too far with a lat pull down? 😂
I enjoy these shirt sweet and to the point videos better
Thanks big man, short vid, straight to the point, love it! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
the music is so loud, i cant hear you
Better that way.
Watch athlean X he's an expert. This guy here is giving out dangerously bad advice on this exercise
Guy in the background cheating like hell on the lat pull down. Ego lifting for sure
Athlean x does longer videos so he can get more ads on his videos. In case you wondered why his vids last about 34 hours
Lol the guy in the background doing lat 😂
Am I wrong , I am pulling enough weight that I have to lean back or it pulls my whole body …..
Yeah, nah... Ill pass on this one, better stick to underhand external rotation...
Ouch.......all internal rotation.....guys if you want to fry your rotator cuff, this is the technique to follow.
Thumb should always be pointing to 2-3PM during this exercise
Watch AthleanX’s video if you’ll want to know how to do a face-pull #sciencebackinstrengh
Thumbs out or thumbs in ?
Thank you 🙏🏼
You’re welcome! 😊
Good video but the music is too damn loud I can hardly hear him
“Not a common exercise”
The big billboard behind him showing a guy doing the exercise
Your wrists are supposed to be flexed back
Doesn’t have to be cuz some people doesn’t have the same nerves to do it cuz if they’ll flexed it back they’ll have some serious injuries
@@robodeadredemption4863 that is completely wrong and just straight up bullshit
Omar on RUclips does this exercise with the cable set chest level and uses an underhand grip, who the hell is right?
Omar
Jeff
‘What’s up guys Jeff here from athlean x’
You're gripping the rope incorrectly. Thumbs should be pointing towards you, not away. (Thumbs should be on the outside of the rope, not inside. Lmao....
This is a few years old now, and wrong. It needs correcting. Watch Jeff's video on how to do face pulls without internally rotating the shoulder. ruclips.net/video/eIq5CB9JfKE/видео.html
this will cause wicked impingement
They also target the lateral delts if you externally rotate your arms as you perform the exercise....emg evidence suggests that they are better at targeting the lateral delts compared to Dumbbell lateral raises
You can definitely add an external rotation to the end of the movement. Our goal is to demonstrate the basics to those learning the movement. Thank you for the additional tip!
How do you add external rotation thing I'm new
Jeff Cavaliere disagrees with everything on this video 🤣🤣🤣
0:28
You sure, always thought the hands were supposed to lead, they go deeper then elbows.
Wrong grip
You ignoramus! Different grips, Angles, weight, position's with your girl, (wish is usually her on top) gotta mix it up