Wednesday was a DISASTER
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Netflix's Wednesday was another iteration of the Addam's Family, this time focusing on the stoic daughter Wednesday. But it breaks the core of what the Addam's Family stood for, along with creating a poor role model for people.
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What made Addams family enjoyable was the fact that they didn’t realise they were weird. They weren’t acting like they are different from everyone, they genuinely thought they are the “normal” ones.
Basically a whole family of neurodivergent people who live so deep in their family bubble they don't realize they're neurodivergent. Every neurodivergent persons dream, really.
@@OdinsSage It was never about mental problems. The Addams where macabre.
@@OdinsSage The whole point of the Addams Family is they were old-school European Culture, completely divorced from the common culture even in Europe at this point, and it was all the 'Old World Insanity' believing they're normal and all these people who think they're weird are the weird ones.
The point is that the Addams Family are the crazy-rich-people who literally aren't normal people because of it. >.<
The people who have the Addams Family enter in to anything 'normal culture', Feminism to Neuro-Divergent discussions are completely missing the point. Lesbians? Who cares, 'every family has one of those' would be the Addams Family's attitude, because they're old-school-rich-people who just accept some people are crazy, and you just roll with it.
@@Guciom The "basically" is a standard indicator for an allegory or simile. Your confusion stems from the fact that it can also be used to indicate a "boiling down" of a lengthy explanation to a succinct conclusion. However the fact that the statement following the "basically" was no shorter than the original statement being replied to should have clued you in as to it being in allegorical use and not an, as the kids would call it, "tl;dr".
@Guciom neurodivergency is usually alongside the "not fitting the norm" type so them being macabre and neurodivergent does make sense! (Just look any video essay about the Addams being ND and it shows 💀)
Honestly one of my biggest problems with this show is that Wednesday almost NEVER solves any elements of the mystery by herself. Hell, Eugene, who's HOSPITALIZED, figures out who the killer is long after most audiences figure it out.
I figured out who the killer was the second she stepped on set in episode one. Zero chance they brought back OG best Wednesday in Wednesday show and not make her the villain. It was way too obvious.
My problem with Wednesday I cant enjoy it without thinking"is Netflix just going to can this show" they seem to cancel good shows
I think that’s actually the point? Wednesday likes to think herself as this super intelligent, better than everyone, doesn’t need anybody else person.
But she would have died and wouldn’t have solved the mystery if it weren’t for those around her.
@ImYourCherryBomb Yeah, I get what you mean, but the PROTAGONIST of the show doesn't solve any aspects of the mystery. In fact, she goes on several wrong hunches which just pushes people away from her further. She almost tortures Xavier because she thinks he's the Hyde, then she finds out Coffee Boy is the Hyde through a convenient ass *vision*??? All she does is point fingers and be an asshole.
@@camillecolburn9492 honestly my biggest complaint was the convenient visions (which I guess we could argue is another aspect of her possibly learning the only thing that makes her special isn’t even in her control) and that Xavier just..forgives her in the end.
The part that always throws me is when Wednesday starts to hate her father when she thought he killed someone. But she LOVES murderers, she's tried to off people herself, she literally talks about wanting to be killed on several occasions. Like did they forget who Wednesday was when writing her?
Not to mention that the Addams celebrate death. It's weird to see Wednesday breaking down when she thought Thing was dead when other adaptations would say "good for him".
Frankly it would be more realistic if she started to hate him because she found out he chose to spare someone/couldn’t kill someone
Couldn't it be that she feels mad that he never told her, thus making her feel left out? Then again, the Addams celebrate death and the dark, not murder for no reason. She seemed to want answers, even if it came across as aggressive.
I was also like: Huh?! The REAL Wednesday would be angry that she didn't hear the story as a bedtime story
@@itsDARLAsChannel she has tried to kill and has tortured many people, in the movie with her baby brother she makes it her only goal to kill him and he only survives out of luck
My headcannon is that no one knows how the parents met and they just keep making up stories about it to mess with people
That would be so good. I hope in the next season they continue pulling, "this is actually how we met," stories put of nowhere
Seems legit I'm in.
Honestly so real
Honestly this checks out, given that this show changes who the gramma and uncle are related to in each version to the point where I’m convinced they don’t even remember
But we do know how, but most re writes of the Addams family don’t heavily reference the original series in detail. There is an episode in the Addams family where they show how Gomez and Morticia met. He was originally supposed to be married to Ophelia, Morticia’s sister. But when they met they fell in love instantly and decided to marry that same day. Also, Fester is actually MORTICIA’s Uncle, not Gomez’s brother as many re designs choose to do.
Honestly, Morticia killing a stalker and Gomez being the ultimate power simp by taking the blame for it does fit into traditional Addams family shenanigans. Only Gomez would proudly use the murder to hit on his wife. You know saying 'of course I had to kill him! Morticia's charms and beauty can drive any man to madness! Unfortunately he wasn’t as committed to the madness.' Type lines.
That line would've been PERFECT. Now I'm sad it wasn't used.
I'm your 666th like btw
@@fangthrob nice
Except Morticia wouldn't try to shift the blame on Gomez. Murder attempts are normal to them and Gomez would probably be proud of his wife.
Wednesday drove me nuts. It took what could be a fun idea and did nothing about it. The school of "freaks" might as well have been full of "normies"
LITERALLY. The so-called 'freaks' are just normal teens with superpowers.
I completely agree! It feels like Tim Burton has lost the theme of misfits uniting in his works for a while, The freaks are so underdeveloped it just makes the show a slog to watch.
@@FairieVibez it feels like a really BAD rip-off of monster high or sad attempt at trying to recreate it bruh even the monster high live action is more watchable than this💀
@Ks-101LITERALLY 💀
Yeah, it was like Tim Burton has forgotten how to write actual weirdos and genuinely doesn't know how to generate real conflict or pathos that doesn't revolve around a melancholy, socially-awkward goth clashing with middle-class suburban WASPs.
My question was "Does this story need to be about the Addamses? If you swapped them out for original characters with the same personalities, would it make any real difference?" I think no. To me, it felt like they gave Tim Burton a pass at Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
I agree. The concept of the Addams made sense when they were the goth family living between normal people. Taking away the family and the "normals" just makes a show about supernatural creatures and a mistery.
Exactly
my biggest, pettiest beef with the show is that if it needed to be based off a pre existing IP, Monster High would’ve worked so much better with the concept of the story imo, better than the Addams family at least. plus, getting a bit of a more mature take on the franchise for the now older audience that grew up with the original show would’ve been great.
@@man-wv8xj god that wouldve been great
@@man-wv8xj i love monster high to death and tbh ?? you're honestly on point.
a couple of their movies already have the sherlock holmes , detective-like plot (skull shores , ghouls rule , frights camera action , scaris) so it wouldn't feel too out of place if the ghouls started poking around some old ass monuments like wednesday did.
as someone who actually loved the wednesday series , i feel like it would've been fine just focused all on her rather than also adding her family into the mix. the dynamic of some stone-cold , no-care detective is just rlly fun to watch.
Another big issue with the show is the parents. In the OG material they have always been super accepting of Wednesday but in this show they just aren't? There were so many other ways to make her go to a new school that wouldn't have removed that aspect from the family.
As for her being emotionless, there are ways to write a character with little or no emotions but the writers went the worst route possible.
they felt nothing like the OG addams to me fr
Bro what happened to Gomez and Morticia non stop touching each other. Like in the 90s those two were caressing, being overtly and strangely overly affectionate with each other and in this show nothing. Cara Mia, mon Cher?
Here's the thing though, OG Wednesday Addams was never emotionless. Monotone, sure. Controlled, yeah. Emotionless? Absolutely not.
@@mokko759 i thought that was the case but since I wasn't 100% sure I didn't mention it
@@Arceve Not emotionless but they certainly tried to make her as emotionally constipated as possible. That is basically the entirety of her personality according to this show.
What stuck me very oddly was that Morticia and Gomez were *against* Wednesday doing (attempted) murder. Light-hearted Murder and torture is *literally* what the Addams Family is about, even when they were cartoons. So the Addamses being like every other family just. Feels really wrong. Everyone was so uptight!
That was by biggest gripe. And Wednesday being legitimately mad at her parents potentially being murderers.
I agree; the only thing she'd be mad about was that it was never a bedtime story when she was little.@@M.I.N.A.
They were against it because it created problems at her school?
@@Feiy16 Or... Littler.
The sheriff is the best character in the show. Complex family life, wants to solve a crime, follows Wednesday's leads even though he doesn't have to, APOLOGIZES TO GOMEZ AFTER THE TRUTH COMES OUT even though he's hated him for years, and is the only character whose flaws come from realistic trauma and not stupidity.
I will not accept Pugsley slander, I truly believe that with good writers you can make his character just as interesting as the rest of his family.
I see him as kind of the underdog in the family and I just feel like there's something there.
Don't forget in the original series that he went on to become a fully certified witch doctor. He has his own span of talents to draw from.
Yeah I agree, people forget but Wednesday only truly became her character in Addams family values. Prior she was on the same level as pugsley (sweet kid who was weird and liked dark things) in both the cartoons and sitcom
So yeah pugsley just needs that one writer to help bring him into his own like values did
I really like how they handled Pugsley in the Addams family 2019 animated movie, They really leaned into the "underdog" aspect and had him worry about not being a "proper" Addams
@@dessy0713 Yeah. Just wish he hd a more respectful role in the sequel.
Modern (post Addams Family Movie& Values) Wednesday as this malicious misanthrope is closer to Pugsley's character in the original comics than her own, which was more of a morose/melancholic gloomy girl. Though original Pugsley was more gleeful in his mischief.
The fact that Enid’s first wolf-out doesn’t get a full transformation sequence but the 4K RTX Gargantar from Plants Vs Zombies got a complete one was an… **interesting** decision.
Pretty sure it wasn't exactly a "decision". Let's be real, by then the budget for the show was already somewhat spent, I don't think there's any way they give her one without it looking 10x worse than just yaknow, not.
Idk what the budget for sfx was for this show but I'd have rather they just showed shadows and implied it rather than anything. Stylized CGI is very hit or miss and making the big bad a PVZ character was so corny
"4k RTX Gragantar from PVZ"
Lmaooo why is that so accurate 😂😂
ahhh, the Tim Burton effect!! having the aesthetic of being "different and quirky" and
going against society's expectations and oppression but actually reinforcing the status quo
different and quirky but god forbid actual minorities be represented that would be too weird and quirky for his state
black people just don't fit into his aesthetic 😜🤪
poc are just not quirky enough
@@MihályIllyésdo people still think he never had people if color in his movies? I remember hearing about this and then I rewatched Edward scissorhands and at one point I was like... wait a minute, black characters? I thought people said he never used poc?
@@toxihex876people never said he doesn’t use black people in his movies people say he doesn’t think black people/poc fit his aesthetic and “I don’t create with other ethnicities in mind and I don’t have to.” also he only makes his black characters villains
My biggest problem with the show is how smug it feels with the monster, by episode 3 i figured out it was coffee boy but the show leaned in into Xavier so much it was really annoying.
wiggly pfp!!
@@ice_wolfie yep!
Listening to npmd soundtrack as I’m writing
Same like…
there needed to be a reason for Xavier being in the show
@@ekaf1735 exactly!
I really love how bad the lovestory was in this show. The incel guy screaming "you're sending mixed messages!" when Wednesday just needed a car was hilarious.
BOTH Wednesday and Enid get TWO useless love interests, so you better not ship them! even though Enid is the ONLY person Wednesday shows any emotions towards.
At this rate, Wenid is like the best ship in the show that it felt like it never really gave us.
@@amesstarline5482yeah, I also hate the fact that Enid is not gay. For fucks sake, that goddamn jacket had me be like "Is tim burton giving us representation?"
@@zomzomino She could still be bi. Don't give up yet. Or do. I don't know.
@@HuntingViolets I guess some bisexual women might use the lesbian flag? So maybe?
@@zomzomino So much depends on the showrunner/s, it's hard to say . . . I haven't even heard anything about a second season.
I HATED how they changed her character from creepy, but lovable to a fuckin pick me girl omg 😭😭 the not like other girls trope was strong in this one
That moment when you realize Goody Addams was Gomez's ancestor, not Morticia's, so why is premonition magic presented as a matrilineal power?
It makes it feel like Morticia and Gomez might be distantly related, which.... I mean I guess it would make sense? But... I don't know how I feel about that...
It's possible Gomez took Morticia's name when they married and changed his first name to his previous last name, which would explain why he has a last name for a first name. Also, they're supposed to be a family who doesn't care about societal norms, so if Morricia is from a powerful family, maybe Gomez wanted to take her last name as a sign of respect to her lineage.
@@pinkdarkboy7127 except in the nevermore yearbook the principal has which would likely be before they got married...his name is already listed as Gomez Addams
Just because the power can only be utilized by female lineage doesn’t mean the men can’t pass it down. Like it’s a dominant trait in women, but recessive in men; men can carry the “gene” without being able to access it themselves.
The more curious part to me was that Goody Addams passed down her name instead of her childrens’ father’s name. Even if that was a mutual choice between her and the father, their children would have been treated different for not having a paternal last name. (And we already saw how Goody and her family were treated for not following society norms)
@@pinkdarkboy7127Not to mention, if it's far enough back in the past, the DNA similarities have been washed out by decades of different genes.
Like, if you go back far along your family tree, you might find you're distantly related to someone. But it was so long ago it doesn't even count.
Tbh I felt the 1991 and 1994 were much darker then Wednesday ever got. Like 12 year old Wednesday literally burned a campground to the ground, ties a girl to a poll and attempts to burn her at the stake. Her smiling was not a good moment in the original it was unsettling to the point where she looked like she was in physical pain.
The lack of Wednesday and Pugsly electrocuting, axing, shooting and just generally trying to kill each other was just upsetting.
Another thing Gomez and Morticia need to touch each other more. Ik that sounds weird but that was their gig, them being abnormally overly affectionate.
Tbh the love interests in Wednesday didn’t matter. Wednesday herself had the most chemistry with Enid.
Enid and Wednesday are roooooomates. ROOOOOMAAATES! GIVE THIS ONE TO US, BURTON!
@@OdinsSage THEY WERE ROOMATES!!!
PLEEAAAASEEE MAKE THEM DATE
The only thing I'd disagree with is morticia and gomez needing to touch each other more. They don't look like a couple at all. The casting of Gomez was horrible. The story that he needs to be this ugly because they wanted the look from the comics is terrible because they of course wouldn't dare cast a strange looking woman as Morticia. Suddenly the comic book look doesn't matter for her. The mismatch in looks was too big. I couldn't even look at them.
My biggest issue with the show is that Wednesday always struck me as a low empathy autistic girl, and I loved her for it. She was super smart, everyone understood her, we saw that, despite her low empathy, she did in fact care about people in her own way. This show, however, completely destroyed that. In their hopes of writing “a strong female lead” they fumbled every good thing about her character and made her into a raging, unlikeable cow.
It's why my family compared me to her. My family has a lot of traits like the Addams and this show bummed me out. It's fun to have on the background but I don't sit to rewatch it. I'm a writer, my dad is too and my parents both like directing and acting so we talk about things we'd change in media we watch (especially if it's an existing IP so it would be hard to cause issues)
high empathy autistic "woman" ( gender fluid but female presenting) I always feel suspect of the way they show all autistic people as low empathy and not emotional. While I do think that is a huge problem, representation of all autistic people matters. I just think this show is a potentially god character in a shitty show who doesn't know how to write her.
Agreed .. I feel like her neurodivergent coding here, despite having a really good base to work from, both demonizes autistic traits and also acts as a pretty basic stereotype while just making a character who gets seen as a jerk and if that is related back to being different then the difference is judged as well..
I feel like the way her relationship with enid is handled is a good example of this.
It's honestly great that Enid doesn't force or expect Wednesday to do neurotypical standards like hugging, etc (too much) and they meet on their own terms.. but the issue of Wednesday being so selfish on many occasions and manipulating Enid and others to get to her own goal (on multiple occasions..) is not addressed and it also feels like they simultaneously understand and are also completely confused by each other's language. It feels like they started by portraying her as low empathy and others assuming she doesn't care at all but then they ended up actually making her more like that stereotype. And Enid and Wednesday's makeup was just out of nowhere and honestly, the story of Enid just, giving Wednesday so many chances and reaching out over and over despite seeing things that most people would assume is selfishness or weirdness, is sweet in theory but both doesn't feel like reality (where most people won't keep trying if you make a bad impression or mess up somehow even if you didn't do anything that hurt them or if you were alerted to hurting them you would have tried to make it right) and also ignores Enid's feelings and needs because how does she know Wednesday won't do that to her again? She didn't even take accountability or apologize.. like they skipped a scene. It wasn't a miscommunication either, it was Wednesday prioritizing her mystery over what her friends wanted or their safety...
@@dust.runner I know right! When I was little and not bullied to complete and unhealthy consciousness of my actions both real and fake, I'd hurt lot of people by accident because I couldn't read their motives, expressions etc but whenever I learned, i would then apologize if it was deserved or leave because they actually had selfish motions etc. Wednesday seems both aware and unaware and then takes advantage of that. Of course many autistic people can be like this as we are all unique too like how non autistics are to each other but like you said: it feels like a negative stereotypical interpretation.
Cows are actually capable of great empathy, to the point where they've been known to hold grudges against humans who hurt the other animals they've developed bonds with. Cows are very complex, much more complex than this characyer depiction of Wednesday Addams
I was sad when they immediately opened the series with Wednesday arguing with her parents. The loving supportive family is immediately broken up for the sake of drama. Having some of the family pop up was neat though I don’t know how they would have gotten Pugsly into the school.
Wednesday as a main character is a neat idea that everyone craves but is difficult to pull off in a believable way.
I found it kind of grating halfway through the series that everyone just seemed to bend over backwards to like Wednesday.
Who knows, maybe it’s just the constraints of a high school setting.
Wednesday is the definition of I’m not like other girls trope that I hate with a burning passion with my reasons.
1- it demonize femininity since it tells audience that anything feminine is shallow, dumb, and etc
2- When the original concept is that nobody should judge others based on their interest and apperence. The show does like to judge others that’s aren’t douche since they aren’t goth enough
3- Wednesday is what I hate in a protagonist who are just terrible people yet get what they want and is always in the right
4- I wish it was just a show about different people no matter their gender, race, fashion choice, and etc. with Wednesday befriending people even though she comes off distance
I genuinely feel like this was made for mean girls who bullied alternative kids for being weird but now that it's fashionable and cool to be goth they still want their superiority complex fed so they bully someone else instead.
Which is ironic because Wednesday possesses femininity as well. It might not be as outright as Morticia, Enid, and Bianca, but she is still feminine in a way. She mostly wears a long skirt and braided pigtails, AND she wears a rather elegant Gothic black dress at the Nevermore prom. I'm so sick of the not like other girls trope, not just because it demonizes femininity, but it also incredibly hypocritical and backhanded, because the character we are meant to be seen as superior for being "not like other girls" is almost never a true tomboy(and even if they are, they might still get a girly makeover, which is so annoying. Being girly is only bad if you enjoy it...but it's a good thing if you're forced into it and made to discard your unfeminine self? Girls shouldn't be proud to be their own people regardless ig).
Some of us female presenting people hate certain aspects of gender roles and the concept of femininity pushed on us. The " not like other girls" criticism always ignore the fatphobia, ableism, sexualization submissive quality women are " supposed to have" within a patriarchal, sexist society. It feels wrong not to point that out.
@@anne-zh2kd
I understand what your coming from. It just it feels like the “not like other girl” trope feel very sexist to me since it take traditional femininity ideas and make them the problem. And not society/ patriarchy as the problem. Though I can understand what you’re coming from
@@anne-zh2kd That's not what's portrayed in the media tho, and even so, the response to having femininity pushed on you is still not to throw other women under the bus. Internalized misogyny is not a good coping mechanism.
When I watched this show the first thing it came to mind was Monster High. A highschool full of monsters, calling humans "Normies". It just felt like a spin off. Another thing I didn't like was the treatment to Bianca. She was just minding her own bussiness. Never came to antogonize anybody. I mean, the first time Wednesday meet her, she was just in the fencing club, doing her thing, and Wednesday came with this edgelord actitude, being all snappy, and Bianca was like: " I don't know you, what is your problem?" Wednesday was a legit Mean-Girl.
PREAcH
Oh god yeah, I find it so depressing.
And yet Bianca was framed as the meangirl by the show! It's sos illy
OMG it is Monster High! 😂
the most unrealistic thing about this show is noone else wearing /wanting to wear all black.
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I think that the show was originally written as an "antisocial teenager at a boarding school solves mystery" show, and then was quickly rewritten to be "Wednesday". That's why the fact that all the kids are supposed to be supernatural creatures barely affects the story or the characters, and why she suddenly thinks her father being a murderer is a bad thing.
Me too. It just seems so obvious that "The Addams Family" thing is basically just an aesthetic layered over the show and not PART of the show.
I am agreeing with the crowd that the romance and family drama was so unnecessary and just weird to put in.
The thing also is that Jenna Ortega said she didn't want most of the romantic scenes and wanted more to focus on the scary stuff, having to trim a lot of romance scenes from the script as she thought it wouldn't fit in to the show.
Trimming the romance would have made it a little better, but it has so many other issues.
@@jazzphotos oh yeah definitely, but also shows how even the main character wasn't really in on the show..
Oh, well that's...that's sad. 😢
Jenna Ortega is genuinely the only thing keeping Wednesday somewhat likable in this show. Otherwise the character is just insufferable beyond belief...
I SO agree Enid should have been the one left out! It makes sm more sense. Any 16 year old who likes the things she likes would be seen as different (I know because I was the same at her age), but on top of that she's literally in a school with exclusively people who prefer darker things 😭
Plus, Wednesday willingly befriending someone who's the opposite of her would be lovely and endearing. Instead Enid is the one putting all the effort in their friendship...it just makes me feel sorry for her :(
On top of that, I really wish they'd made Enid a lesbian lol. I get she could still be bi but seems like they're not going that route. Between the sweater and the uncomfortable werewolf conversion therapy 'joke'...it would have made sense D:
In an interview the actress who plays Enid made a comment about Wednesday and Enid being "roommates".
If you know, you know.
I ship them, honestly.
@@OdinsSage OH MA GAWD THEY WERE ROOMMATES
What about the sweater?
@@alien_liwil It's the lesbian flag colours like..EXACTLY. To the point that it was kind of a joke online and it went viral as the lesbian sweater. I'm not saying that was necessarily intentional but it does seem like a unique choice haha
Jenna Ortega did a good job when she was acting as Wednesday but I hate Wednesday in the show because she's just the worst she puts down everyone says she's better than everyone and he's just all around the worst and can never not be a piece of crap to anyone and everyone she meets or knows
The dialog kinda sucked but Jenna made it work somehow
Wednesday has always been the shining mascot for the "not like other girls" types, and this series literally just turned her into one of them.
@@Arella17exactly, I’m kind of over the Wednesday/Daria/ I’m above it all type of girls.
I'm ok with that, provided that there's growth, which I feel like Ortega managed to give us more than the narrative itself
@@Jujudeze22yeah I agree, I feel a major part of that is because all the copycats afterwards have been written more so the writers/people watching can go “omg she’s soooo me” rather than actually be what their trying to do
It felt like an AO3 AU of Wednesday that could’ve worked imo a lot better as an original story with original characters.
Yep because fanfic writers aren't trying to please old farts that think they know better.
I'm kinda tired of seeing people mention fanfiction compared to bad works when I've read numerous fanfics 100× better than this garbage of an adaptation 😢
@@Dani_1012 fair. But it's AO3 we're talking about. That site has a lot of.... interesting fanfics. I think it has less to do with comparing to fanfics themselves, but more so to the type of stereotypical fanfiction that is on AO3 (the majority of it that is)
@@DeadVoxeloi, don't rip on ao3 like that, man. ao3's gotta be one of the best sites i've been on for fanfics
@@DeadVoxelPeople usually reference Wattpad when bad fanfics are mentioned. Why ao3? Some of the best ones i've read are from there.
The “outcast vs normie” conflict was…so poorly conceived and handled, and good god just let Wednesday be ace, aro, and/or sapphic. What even was that love triangle what was even the point -and if Wednesday had chemistry with anyone, it was her rival and roommate-
Buuuut…not…surprised…it was so…bizarre, and not in the right way. Not with Tim Burton as the exec
I'm at least grateful for somehow being the more sanitized version of it. Let's hope Jenna is true to her word and will make the show more scary and less off the "love interests"
tbh i think Tim Burton would never even dream to do something like that, hes the kind of guy that tries to pull the "look at society's oppression on alternativr people!!" but actually refuses to make it about any sort of minority representation whatsoever lmao
Yeah! The funny thing about the love triangle was, that Jenna Ortega didn’t even agree with it because Wednesday’s character wouldn’t care so much about two guys (Enid tho, they were actual besties) 😂😂😂
Love triangles are an eyeroll at the best of times but good on them having her in a love triangle with two of the most basic ass guys and zero chemistry to boot. I understand why the Enid x Wednesday shippers reigned supreme bc they actually did more to flesh out her relationship with her 'bestie'
FRR i had the headcanon that wednesday was aroace and when the romantic stuff started i genuinely was so disappointed, i would be happy with it only if we had a kind of plot with enid and wednesday bc they were the only couple with actual chemistry lmao
Why did they had to age down Pugsley if I recall he was the oldest? Correct me if I am wrong. Because well he would’ve been the perfect one to play off of when Wednesday is solving mysteries and the two sibling could rely on their family as they learn about the school.
In the 60's version he was the oldest then I believe in the 90's movies they flipped it around.
Yeah, they flipped it in the 90s then pretty much every adaptation after that has shown Pugsly as the younger sibling
Is it just me or is there a pattern of shows using supernatural characters as allegories for marginalized identities, but using Black characters as the oppressors?
Right! The anti blackness in this show was so uncomfortable
@@nymphmythic454 "Men like you have no idea what it's like to not be believed." Ma'am dya wanna 😬😬😬
I think it's just because black people are seen as more intimidating due to solely physical characteristics to the point where the people writing villains use it as a way of visually portraying this without caring about the connotations. It gets the job done and non-famous black people take any roles they can, which is the core of blacksploitation. They never think about what's morally okay, they only think about what's gonna fly with people.
@@toxihex876 I think it's rather unfortunate that people see Black people and our features as inherently scary and intimidating(especially when he have dark skin). It's similar to how people use Jewish traits such as a hooked nose to convey villainy, to the point where the anti-Semitic portrayal has become so commonplace. And also, this is Tim Burton. Of COURSE he's gonna cast his Black character in only the privileged, antagonistic roles. He has literally admitted to being a racist who thinks Black people don't "fit" his creepy, Gothic aesthetic. And used Blaxploitation movies as an excuse for this because those movies don't have any white people(as if white people are in any way underprivileged/represented). Is it really any wonder that this show is anti-Black?
Anti-racism has gone so far, it's made a full circle.
it really saddens me how much the Addams family has adapted from the original concept. originally they were a family built with so much love and understanding. they were the perfect family who just so happened to enjoy macabre. that was the point. they looked scary but when you’d meet them you feel a sort of comfort. another thing I hate is how the Addams family see other people. in the Addams family values when Fester meets Debbie they’re nothing but supported. the family doesn’t care that Debbie is dressed in whites and light blue, that her hair is styled and blonde. but in the newer shows and movies they’re seen judging those who are “normal”.
Remember that in thst movie Morticia is appalled by the excessive use of pastels and only secondly by the fact that she is keeping Fester from them. The Addsmses take family seriously
I feel like this show should have been Wednesday AND Pugsley. Wednesday still could've been the leading character, but Pugsley should've been there as well. He could've been the muscle to her brains and possibly coming up with various traps to catch the killer.
Oooh, that's a good idea!
And it would give her motivation; she loves her family and may god have mercy on anyone that threatens them.
This hasnt premiered yet but yes, Wednesday as an adaptation really ruined a lot of established things... Sure it was cool, bur it was beyond mischaracterization for them to make one of the driving conflict be Wednesday against her family and or viewing herself as lesser and even viewing Morticia as the way she's portrayed in the show...
Yeah i have too many unkind things to speak which I'm sure they will cover
The original series (from the 70s and stuff) wasn’t about magic just a really dark and happy family who love each other and are diffrent from modern family’s at the time such as how they actually love and sleep in the same bed
It infuriates me how the show acts like Goody was Goody Addams' first name... Goody was a title! It was short for goodwife! Every Puritan woman was Goody Lastname!!!
Maybe they're calling her that because they didn't know her first name?
@@imthebossmermaid3648 Maybe so, but you wouldn't call a woman whose name you didn't know now just "Mrs.", would you?
@@ThornheartCat I mean it depends ig. 🤷🏾♀
THANK YOU, I was so thrown off by that!
@@StinkerSqueaker Literally if they wanted to be so audacious and tone-deaf then they may as well have made Morticia say "check your privilege". 💀
I agree. This show is terrible. It has nothing to do with the Addams Family. It's a Monster High Clone. I dislike how they made Wednesday resent Morticia. Its so out of character. The whole point of the Addams Family is that despite being creepy they always get along. I know its a different version but that is the one thing you don't change or its not the Addams Family anymore. I also hate how Wednesday went from deadpan like she was in the 90's version to straight-up rude. There is a difference. I had trouble getting through the first 2 episodes.
Uh well the show isn't called Addams Family, Its called Wednesday of course it will be more focused on her than her family.
But I admit I wish her family had more screentime. I also agree with the rest of what you said
thats what we call an i am not starfire moment
It's not completely unheard of in adapting the character. Both the musical and the animated movie NL mentioned have a version of this.
@@rivetsquid8887 I still hate it.
@@darlingkorexo I don't mind the rest of the family not getting as much screen time. I just hate her resenting her parents. Its so out of place.
Xaviers character just really annoyed me. He could have had so much potential but he felt so half-assed. When he was in jail because of Wednesday and went on that whole friends don't betray friends rant it just felt ridiculous and forced because him and Wednesday never were friends. I think it would have been so much better if he'd bothered Wednesday to let him help with the detective work because he geniunely cared about the dead guy that was his roommate and friend rather than to what get in to her pants because he's apareantly met her briefly 10 years ago. That was just so stupid. He can still be off putting and add to the mystery factor while still having a genuine motivation to help with the investigation. I'd argue it would even add some spice to the mystery if despite her distrusting Xavier at the beginning him and her formed some level of trust during the investigation only for Wednesday to slowly find reasons it could be Xavier. It would slowly sow doubt and mistrust and there'd be actual moral conflict and Xavier ending up in jail because of Wednesday would actually work as a betrayal.
Also he should've given her an old phone of his (or even better found a way to send letters) to stay in contact with her because they're still detective partners as a way to show her that he forgave her. It would've been more genuine than when he bought her a brand new phone because despite literally only ever getting rejections and thrown in jail he still isn't over his weird childhood crush. It just felt stupid honestly. But yeah that's just my personal opinion.
I truly forgot which one was which when it come to the love interests, I couldn't tell you what scenes one or the other were in.
@@LilLadyAy That's totally valid, coffe boy and artist stalker both were about as flavorless as plain milk ice cream.
@@acanimatics906 glad it's not just me who thought this.
the changes you suggested sound so compelling and cool, like I'd watch the heck out of that show.
@@nanjeilquality Thank you! I briefly entertained the thought of working on a sort of Wednesday abridged series after i watched the show to poke fun at it but mainly rewrite and change the parts that bothered me but decided that it was ultimately just too much work that i dont have the time or means for at the moment.
One thing that definitely amused me about Wednesday was how hard Wednesday went with her theories no matter how little evidence she had. Once she was suspicious of someone, she would have extremely little subtlety or attempt at further investigation, she would literally just go up to them and start accusing them of stuff. Across the series she accuses several people of murder to their face and half the time she's wrong.
We ignore the fact that before Wednesday has her "visions" she technically was a normal kid, just a bit kooky and gothic, she literally isn't weird at all except for being allergic to colour, which means she never would've been admitted to nevermore as technically she is a "normie".
I loved the show
But yeah it has its downs
I also hated it that wednesday dislikes her mother, I really liked that they were a weird scary looking family who loved each other unconditionaly
Edit: YOU KNOW WHAT
It would have been awsome if she was written like Rosa from Brooklyn 99
Or similar to her
yes omg that would be perfect (the rosa thing)! like a bit more passive aggressive than aggressive maybe, but i think as weird as it sounds on first thought, that would match her og character wayyy better
Tbh Rosa and Wednesday's original characterization go hand in hand anyway, I think. You're right, it would've been perfect and better than what we actually got.
i blame burton for the problems, this series has all his hallmarks in its problems
He hasn't been good in long time
😭😭😭☄️
@@danielledaniel1900fr
I honestly feel like the sirens character could’ve been SO much more interesting, overall this show could’ve still been the “modern” Addams family they wanted without all the “I’m not like other girls, I’m goth and hate my parents” story that just doesn’t fit Wednesday at all
I found the storylines and subplots were both underdeveloped and weaved together too fast. Season one should have focused on the mystery involving Gomez, and the next season should have focused on the Goody and the destruction of the school. There were too many subplots that led to nowhere and characters that weren't utilized to their highest potential.
To be fair that's kind of a problem with Netflix shows in general, it's so up in the air if more will be made that it seems like its mandated that everything get wrapped up but for one hook so that it can be left as-is if Netflix dumps it without annoying people too much. Unfortunately the opposite winds up being true in a lot of cases
omg SO true
This is actually such a good idea and could’ve served as a long lasting supernatural teen thriller like vampire diaries or teen wolf
I have so many problems with this show. My main point is that the creators just don't understand Wedsday as a character nor the Addams familys values.
- she should have been happy to hear that someone died
- the Addams family is WEIRD and mystical, not outright MAGICAL. And it was special because they all are like that and they are the only ones like that. no other magical beings
- WHERE IS HER BABY BROTHER
- what happened to Morticias character???
- the love triangle makes zero sense. also coffee shop guy had no idea who she was when they first met so that whole thing makes no sense so in my headcannon he actually liked her. The original wednesday would love to be in a relationship with a murdering monster who cares for her.
- still love triangle: the long haired guy has zero synergy with Wednesday, I hate him and the actor who played him who allegedly SAed and helped SA and rape multiple high school girls with his friends.
I think with the mother/daughter has been something underlining since the animated Addams Family: Wednesday has reached the stereotypical teen girl era who sees her mother has someone trying to shape her into a different version, and Wednesday doesn't like it. We the audience know that Mortica wants Wednesday to be the best version of herself, but Wednesday might see that as a different intention (she even thinks Thing is there solely for the fact to spy and keep taps on her). It's definitely an odd underlining plot line for an Addams movie/show considering they're the imperfect perfect family
I definitely lost interest in the show super fast. Truthfully the only reason to watch it is to enjoy all the actors because they are all very quirky and I think suit their roles well but the writers are terrible
Yeah, exactly, just dropped it after the gay cure camp metaphor bs, such queerbait cause it makes little sense to not even put a queer character in that role and also have her transform later anyway(as I've heard, never got to that)
I actually think the concept of not fitting in with people who you only share a label with is a really good concept and supports free thinking. It’s like expecting gay people to like any other gay person just because they’re gay.
Also, I think it’s a stretch to consider Wednesday an incel. Certain lines are cringe and something she’d never say, true, but for the most part, the people who she “hurts” only feel that way because they expect her to act in a neurotypical way. Not to suggest neurodivergent people are always in the right, but events like Enid getting mad at Wednesday for endangering her life (even though she chooses to follow her knowing what she’s doing) is just painful to watch, since people do in fact act that way. I personally find saying random niceties to strangers and the thought of expecting people you just met to accept you from the get go as unnecessary and perplexing concepts. You just set yourself up for failure expecting the unexpectable.
All in all, the show has a weak storyline and plot, only remedied by Jenna Ortega’s portrayal of Wednesday and the amazing OST of the show.
it's like my favourite artist will wood said "Wednesday is not only the greatest betrayal in television history but the most maddeningly trite, disturbingly vapid, and internally confused ideological train wreck I've ever had the deeply sorrowful displeasure of allowing to pass through my corneas"
WILL WOOD MENTIONED! :D
i remember reading a headline saying that Jenna Ortega hated the romance in 'Wednesday,' because it didn't fit the character at all.
Honestly, i agree with that. The romance was really unnecessary. As well, they tried a bit too hard with the "Riverdale seemed to be popular, so let's try that method here" thing.
Too much being tried all at the same time.
I still love Wednesday though. Addams Family forever 🖤🖤🖤
She also refused to say certian cringy lines and rumour is that the love interest subplot will be dropped next time.
@@LilLadyAy i hope they do drop that subplot honestly
@@ThatPurpleWolfIdol same, I hope she goes home so we see more of her family, her every day life, her 'normal' and how she connects to those she met at evermore when they're not all living together.
For me, like you said, the school for outcasts didn't "behave" like the "outcasts". Those students still make the Addams looks like outcasts and Wednesday should have blended in. It would be an interesting dynamic to see how character who enjoyed being unique behaved when they put in the environment where they were the norm. That could be a good plot but I doubt the writers wants to write things that original. Also, the principle seems "weak" in the way that make me questions how did she handled the students with special abilities. And I do dislike the romance subplot that seems to be there because it is a must for American TV show. In many ways, Adult Wednesday Addams by Melissa Hunter did a much better job of staying true to her characters more than this high budget Netflix series.
i thought wednesday was a good show, but a bad Addams family adaptation. It missed the point of the family but i thought the mystery was ok. i hated the love triangle until it ended with coffee boy having been trying to manipulate her, and while enid herself was boring and one-note, i thought her relationship with wednesday was sweet. their hug was very cute.
The biggest problem with this show is that they forgot to keep the key features of this family that made the odd.
The lack of Pugsly and Wednesday trying to kill each other was unsettling
The love triangle in this show was a mess, Wednesday had no chemistry with either of those boys
What I find funny is that Wednesday is supposed to love things like death and tragedy and yet she goes out of her way to do the complete opposite and avoid all of that from happening.
My issues with the show were many. The family was always shown to be close-knit, and Wednesday always wanted to be like her mother. The fun of the show and movies were the odd family contrasting with the "normal" people who lived rigid lives while the Addams were free. The contrast between the two worlds is where the fun came from. Wednesday, anti-social spends the entire movie being anti-social and hateful, somehow ended up in a love triangle with people also shipping her with rainbow werewolf. She should have been portrayed as ace. Christina Ricci should not have been the villain. It was too obvious she was going to be cause she was OG best Wednesday. Jenna Ortega was a good Wednesday; the entire rest of the family did not feel like the Addams. Why was Wednesday who started the entire show attempting to murder someone so upset and shocked about her father possibly murdering someone?
The show was all over the place, the motivations of the characters were all over the place, and so much didn't make any sense.
Wednesday is the definition of "not like other girls". Trying to be obnoxiously unique
Despite still being feminine. It's so stupid. 🙄
she's just autistic and goth i think lol
She is literally autistic coded. Autistic girls AREN'T like other girls. The criticism of " not like other girls" always ignores that it is a reaction to being told you're not good enough. Yes, it is a bit juvenile, but as a teen I waa not like any other girls. This would maybe make me feel less...less than
As someone who’s an autistic trans guy and had a not like other girls phase, being autistic doesn’t equal being annoying.
@@anne-zh2kd That's not an excuse for being misogynistic towards other girls. We can absolutely critique how society punishes girls for not performing femininity/conforming to beauty standards properly without justifying girl on girl hate.
Im glad im not alone in my “Mehhh” for the Wednesday series.
I heard the Actor for Wednesday change or improvised some scene or lines because Originally there was A lot of out-of-character Moments Written for Wednesday.
If this is changed then originally must have been even messier.
I had a lot of issues but one was how she managed to carry the addams name after all that time when goody was (as far as we know) identifying a girl so that would mean her name would most likley go to her spouse so theres almost no way to keep that name ESPECIALLY after all that time so either theres some inbreeding or the writers were lazy as hell, its just something that really bugs me everything I see it.
Or the father ran away and kid got her name by default. Or she was already married since it's so long ago and it was possibility.
Bot most likely they just didn't think about it.
Love to see a show where a character with a thematic parallel to being disabled (werewolf who can't transform) ends their arc by just doing the thing they couldn't do before. Very cool.
The end of Heidi be like.
I think Jenna Ortega did a good job trying to fight to make Wednesday the character the character we know and love but also a new take. I think i remember someone saying that she talked to Christina Ricci about her portrayal of Wednesday from the movies but not sure if true. But its quite clear the writing was truly doing her dirty along with the rest of the Addams Family. And GIVE ME THE ARO/ACE/QUEER WEDNESDAY WE KNOW SHE PROBABLY IS DAMMIT. Her and Enid hooking up is the only couple i see genuine chemistry for and love.
ETA: the ONLY good chemistry scene between Tyler and Wednesday (gag) is when he set up a "movie date" for her and said it was a "horror" movie. When it was actually Legally Blonde (awesome movie btw). It was cute that he knew she would be horrified by all the pink and whatnot but also maybe the whole "going against stereotype" message in the movie would be something she'd be interested in.
I also agreevthat Wednesday comes off as Aro Ace. Enid gives off closet lesbian or bi vibes.
Ortega promised the love triangle would be cut & not carry the romance into season 2. God I hope it's true.
@LikaLaruku gods I hope they do. It was SO unnecessary
Bro I think that was meant to be a 1994 reference.. like when her, Joel and Pugsly are at camp and they are forced to watch like Bambi, the sound of music and Annie and they were grossly disturbed by the “wholesomeness”
@@Ella-bg2ve ooooh I didn't even think of it that way. That's very true
The Principal was revealed as a shapeshifter much earlier on in the series. She was the one who became the telekinetic kid and made it seem like he was alive and leaving the school. Right after the scene you showed where 'he' goes into the toilet stall and comes out as an older guy, we see that older guy then become the Principal.
I have 4 big issues with the show. One of them was brought up in the video, that there's too much focus on the family drama. Part of the appeal of the Addams family is how much they love each other. Even now, ESPECIALLY, we rarely get TEEN stories where the characters get along with their parents if they are in the story, to begin with, or conscious of anything their kid is doing. It would've been so refreshing to see a loving daughter and mother relationship.
The other is that the love interests suck. Xavier could explode and I wouldn't care, and I completely forgot about Tyler until the twist. And Enid...For frick's sake, I'm sorry other queer viewers of the show, but I can't get behind it. I personally would rather live in a reality where Wednesday is gonna have NO LOVE INTEREST WHAT SO EVER, but if she must have one, I don't want them to be some normie who gets a little hairy sometimes. Wednesday is one of the few characters I wouldn't care to see put in an opposites scenario because part of the appeals of her and the other Addams is how strange they are! If Wednesday is going to have a love interest, they have to be a worthy Addams! a demon, a murderer, a shaman, something spooky, and if they do present "normally," gosh darn it, they better be a Debbie!
Part of the reason why Wednesday feels so dislikable is that she barely faces consequences for her actions, and then we she does, people turn back on her, like Enid. Why? Let her be alone. People actively trying to stop her purely because they hate her could've been a conflict all on its own. I wish they could've made it more camp, so that her actions don't have to be taken as seriously or that her actions were done in such a way that they didn't cause direct physical harm to people, and they could've done that! She goes to school with werewolves and crap, they should be able to go through more than the average person.
Lastly, the general concept of her going to a school of outcasts is just uninteresting. The Addams characters are alluring because they're abnormal in a normal, inoffensive society. So her coming and being outcasted felt off. If they had to go that route, it'd actually be more interesting if she were different because she was TOO NORMAL and had a great relationship with her family. That would've been more interesting and would've provided some genuine commentary on infighting in minority groups. As it stands now, it's a bad idea that was explored almost shallowly.
All that being said, I still enjoyed it. I loved Jeena Ortega, the aesthetic is on point, and when season 2 comes around, I'll watch it.
I remember an interview or one of those celebrity clips where even Jenna wasn't into the love triangle thing with Wednesday, Xavier, and Tyler as she saw Wednesday as someone who wouldn't pay much attention to romance.
I mean, she had a little boyfriend in one of the movies. But yeah, I don't think it's a priority for her; weird decision for the show.
Okay, but like I still need to know. Why are her powers from her mother but the person who is her guide is Goodie ADAMS
Lol maybe the Addams clan has been so progressive for so long that it's just your oldest kid who's the heir to family legacy stuff? Probably not, but it's a fun headcanon.
Best thing that came from Wednesday was when Will Wood wrote a huge ass community post with no punctuation about how much he loathed Wednesday
I'm genuinely interested in what they have to say because as of right now I've only heard great things from people I trust so sing a different opinion will be very interesting I personally have only seen the first couple episodes but I loved it when I have time I'm going to watch more but not every show is for every person so this will be interesting to see their take on it
Although I did have fun with the show it wasn’t perfect by any means. And tbh it didn’t have anything to do with the source material it is based on. If you don’t know the source the show isn’t even half bad.
@@eleegee they is Negative Legend I believe
@@eleegee two reasons because I use proper grammar and they has been proper grammar even when used in a singular sense for centuries only recently has people been bothered by the use of they in a singular sense within the past 30 years prior to that it was completely acceptable to use they in a singular sense and it still is
But also negative Legend has stated their pronouns include they so even there I was indirectly correct unintentionally I use they for any gender or amount of people and it is still correct and it always has been
Yes you are correct and I don't understand how people wouldn't understand that since they has been a singular noun for centuries and only recently have people stopped not understanding that when it's become a social political pronoun argument even though it was grammatically correct for centuries
@@eleegee You're literally proving them right by refusing to use a valid, and the correct, definition/grammatical application of "they" in the context of the original sentence - They, as in the grammatical subject of my comment, weren't gendering. Not everything is about gender. "Did you see where that person put those tacos? Oh, yeah, they put them over there." don't make everything about gender, and about an argument focused on gender, relax.
Easy googling, even though usage of 'They' as a both literary device and pronoun has been around for longer, it's been 'officially' supported to refer ALSO to gendering a subject as a pronoun only since 2019.
"Is “they” singular or plural? The answer is both. As of 2019, most big style guides-including the Associated Press, the Chicago Manual of Style, the MLA style manual, and the APA style manual-accept the usage of the singular they. Whether they approve of it as an indefinite singular pronoun, a specific person’s pronoun, or both, all of these manuals concede that using they as a singular pronoun has a place in our modern world. Merriam-Webster even designated the singular “they” as their 2019 Word of the Year and introduced the gender-neutral honorific Mx. to their unabridged dictionary, forever ending the question of what to call someone whose gender is nonbinary (i.e., not male or female)."
Long story short? You're both TECHNICALLY correct, but you in particular were never actually correcting anyone. Just wasting pointless energy trying to be 'right' on the internet.
"Use it if you like but don’t try to tell me that it’s correct to call someone you can clearly tell the gender of ‘they/them’."
I dont assume people's genders. That's my personal choice. "clearly tell the gender of" only works in the world in which we assume what someone looks like dictates what they want to be called - and last I checked, Negative Legend accepts They/Them gendering. You don't have to fight all the time. You're okay. No one was attacking you. YOu have nothing to defend. Put the white knight away.
I dislike how they made Wednesday into a murder mystery heroine, it doesn’t feel very true to her character. Sure making her interested in that sort of thing would be a fine character trait, but falls flat completely as a main story plot line. Personally I would’ve loved to have seen her go through different class subjects, yknow, actually related to a school setting, and how she interacts with that. Would make more sense for her to excel in engineering, but only in death traps and torture devices lol.
The monster school aspect is especially disappointing as they do nothing interesting with it. Would’ve been more to do with a ‘normie’ (hate that btw) high school setting, albeit contrived.
Wednesday sucks for me because… I can’t follow Wednesday Addams. She doesn’t feel like a character you’d see in a main role, which is why she’s great in the Addams movies, because she’s kind of one note.
Also it reminded me of Riverdale, and you don’t want to remind me of Riverdale.
What bothered me most was when she still accused Xavier even after the DNA test on the claw and Xavier's bloody cloth proved that Xavier wasn't the monster but she just ignored that.
I feel like if you are going to give Wednesday a heterosexual love interest, Eugene was the best pick by miles. Eugene was my favorite character on this show. TEAM EUGENE!!!
ABSOLUTELY!!! Wednesday's dynamic with her looking out for Pugsley already showed that it could work if you needed there to be a relationship. (Which tbh, it really didn't need one)
Her whole thing was “I’m not going to be like my mother and settle down with a nerd” and yet here comes Eugene, being a perfect “her Gomez”. 😂
But he is too young for her
I *loved* Eugene! Best character by a mile.
Uuuh I'm exited for this! Personally I really liked the show - except for morticia. But I assumed she's dislikable bc we see it kind of from wednesday's pov and they're not seeing eye to eye atm.
Otherwise I like that they did something totally different than addams family while still keeping so many loving details (the snapping twice, the roses..).
But it is totally a teeny high school series now, with dumb teeny romances and everything. Which I personally enjoy, but it's definitely not for everyone.
personally, if i could change the way the story is written, i think i would make Enid the protagonist with Wednesday being a deuteragonist. it makes sense because in a school of gloomy weirdos, Enid is the only one who's bright and spunky, and you can do a ton with her character type. meanwhile, Wednesday can retain her usual gothic chic murderous vibe without making it too obnoxious because you don't always see her.
now, this is still a Wednesday show. however, think of Hannibal, where the show is about Will Graham but also a lot about Hannibal Lecter. Wednesday could make a very intriguing potential killer to a murder mystery, which Wednesday could entertain as and flirt with. Enid may even think Wednesday could be the actual killer and becomes Wednesday's foil. eventually befriending her, and together they find out the REAL killer. idk. Wednesday the show has so much potential and they kinda wasted it away.
on a more conspiratorial note, i feel like the plot and setting of Wednesday was made for an original series, but was scrapped and reworked as an adaptation once Netflix/Tim Burton got the rights to the franchise.
Mmm that makes sense. We could even have Bianca by Enid's side as the protagonist and friends, maybe after warming up to her a bit.
The way I love your version and would eat it up even just as a fic cause it is so much better omg
The whole subplot of Gomez being accused of murder made NO sense. In the Barry Sonnenfield movies, it was already implied that Gomez was a murderer (acquitted) and it was a running joke!
they had to hospitalize bee boy for most of the show because they know he would dominate the show if they didn't. also the only antagonist not shown in any sympathetic light being the black girl was not great
The literal idea of Wednesday wanting to stop a mass genocide at her school is low key kind of laughable when you stop to realize that she's an Addams. Death and destruction are literally they're whole thing, she shouldn't be trying solve a mystery to save Nevermore she should be trying to solve it to find this evil guy and take notes but soon realizes that she actually does care about the people at Nevermore and sees it's truly worth fighting for. The Gomez episode was stupid too like Wednesday would be ecstatic to know her dad committed 1st degree but disappointed in finding out that's not what really happened. The love triangle thing was so awfully boring too like Enid is right there. I seriously will never understand why and how this show got as popular as it did I thought it was okay but never expected it to gain this kind of traction. Jenna Ortega and the rest did great given the material they had to work with so I give em respect but Wednesday is not Wednesday I'm sorry.
Right? To keep things moving, they constantly had to have Wednesday act contrary to her personality as we have historically understood and celebrated it, which included having her want to prevent an atrocity that would've made Christina Ricci's Wednesday giddy (well, for her) with anticipation.
I think the biggest and most simplest sign that the writing for this show was not all that good and pretty basic at times is the scene in which they specifically have the doctor guy say he’s going to retire in a few days before he dies which the audience immediately knows mean that people will think it was a suicide with someone saying something along the lines of “But he wouldn’t do this, he was going to retire in a few days” and then literally has the sheriff outright state it. Like, I wouldn’t be mad if they still did the cliche but this is essentially just as if someone wrote a footnote of “Retire in three days, put more description” and then forgot about it resulting in nothing being done.
I fully think Wednesday was a monster high script that go passed over so they just attached Addams family to it instead and just tried their best to make it make sense
This show could´ve been better with just some minor changes, this is my idea:
1. Wednesday loves true crime and wants to become a detective to catch serial killers. Her family loves her and support her, so they decide to send her to Nevermore academy for the best education, even if is far from home.
2. Wednesday gets along with everyone and is making new friends, but someone tries to unalive her multiple times and fail. She decides to use this oportunity to test her detective abilities.
3. Then her dad is accused of a murder that happened on that same school, they are chill about it. Now Wednesday needs to solve two mysteries and avoid being murdered.
4. The students she meets have special abilities that help her to find clues. Wednesday doesn't have powers, but she is smart and knows how to use others abilities. Now she has a mystery gang.
5. She refuses to get direct information from relatives or friends that could resolve the mystery. Wednesday wants to prove she is capable enough.
6. After some of her friends get hurt and suspects get murdered, she starts to lose confidence on herself and she´s scared about the possibility of losing the people she loves because she is not good enough. The support of family and friends remind her of everything she has achieved so far, she is not alone in this.
7. At the end she finds the clues and piece them together to solve the mysteries proving herself, instead of having a vision after the killer confeses.
8. With the help of all of her friends she is able to stop the villain.
9. THE END???
Everything else could stay the same.
The Addams family is really supposed to be the “crazy” family that loves eachother at the end to the point of torture sometimes 😭
I tried watching the first 3 episodes, but I couldn’t stay engaged. Wednesday as a character felt so mean and unlivable inside of mysterious and an outcast. Although I’m not really into gothic stuff so that’s probably why it wasn’t interesting for me.
This show completely missed what the Addams family is about.
"I had my adam's apple removed."
Wait, that's allowed?
You can do that?
yeah actually, but it’s kinda rare. You can also change the size of it with surgery
Some of my gripes with the show was mainly the love triangle cuz that shit baffled even me as much as it did Wednesday herself, fr got a ginger ass mf coming over here to gaslight her into thinking they had an unspoken thing. Like wut? 👀
Unspoken? More like unseen, no sparks.
The whole show is, as most netflix originals, there to appeal to aesthetics. That's why there's such a visual focus on colour and lack there of. It's eye candy, tasty and pretty, but empty in substance. I strongly believe that this is Tim's response to ppl calling him racist for not casting anyone darker than a sheet of paper. The drama behind the scenes sounds fabricated to sell the story/hype up the project through negative coverage. Everything about the show feels manicured for the new age... I find it depressing considering the Adams Family origins
Guys haven’t you noticed Wednesday is actually Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way??
To me the most convincing crush Wednesday might have is on Eugene, the most emotion and feelings she showed was when he was involved and hes the most similar to the other guy the character was shown to like in addams family values, other then that the show annoyed me with its murder is great/how could you kill someone whiplash
I feel like a big problem with the most modern iterations of the Addams family is that the Addamses are depicted as *hating* the *mainstream* instead of taking *joy* in the macabre. And those are two different things.
Additionally, a problem I've seen in a LOT of "reboot" media is that... the movies just have nothing to do with the characters they're using. Rewriting it with original characters would change nothing, and without that brand recognition, it would just be mediocre as hell. (Wednesday, Scoob!, Powerpuff Girls, etc)
And I don't think this is the writer's fault--I know that people WANT to make original stories, but studios only pay for nostalgia bait, so you end up with writers trying to do both. The writers try writing their own story that would stand on its own, but forcing said stories on already established characters creates huge inconsistencies in character, lore, vibes, etc. that fans consistently LOATHE. For a lot of these shows, there's a general aura of the writers misunderstanding the source material and/or why fans liked it--almost like the creators weren't super into The Addams Family to begin with.
I saw someone on tiktok saying Wednesday was like them as an aro ace lesbian tricking herself into thinking she likes a boy just because she knows that he likes her. And I think that's exactly why the romance felt so uncomfortable. I've been there before too, where I got in a relationship cause he liked me so much. Idk it makes me feel better about the uneasy awkward feelings I had while watching to think about it like that. And I think Wednesday could definitely be an aro ace lesbian if the showmakers weren't so concerned with having all the beats of a typical highschool drama which I guess has to involve falling in love.
How do you tell the difference between an aro ace lesbian and an aro ace hetero?
@@AntediluvianRomance One's into girls, the other is into guys. Also, aromanticism/asexuality is a spectrum. Someone could be demiromantic/sexual or grayromantic/sexual, which means they feel very rare attraction or only feel attraction to someone after developing a deep relationship/connection with them.
@@imthebossmermaid3648 What goes into that "being into" if not romantic or sexual attraction?
I just can't wrap my head around how it all supposed to be perceived. It used to be a line, now its a frigging square of sexuality coordinates. And what I've always thought was the norm is now somewhere halfway on asexuality scale. Wouldn't people see gray or demisexuality as asexual erasure if you lump them together?
@@AntediluvianRomance It's not, and maybe an asexual person can explain it better, but like I said, it relates to very small or limited sexual romantic attraction. I think maybe you should look up how sexual and romantic attraction works for demi and gray people.
@@AntediluvianRomanceAsexual here, hope my input can help at least a bit despite not being aromantic or lesbian.
Asexuality can come in many forms, some of which may seem normal to you but not to others (you'd be surprised how long it took me to process the reality that others could be sexually attracted to anyone they're interested in, even without a deep bond or some kind of limitation), which means for example that some asexual people feel very little sexual attraction, but it can still occur.
Some asexual people also have sex because sexual attraction and libido aren't connected by default so sometimes ace people just like satisfying themselves and their libido. Or they engage in the act to make their partner(s) feel good or even just to have children.
And aromanticism, i imagine, has a similar situation: just because you dont experience romantic attraction (or simply dont experience romantic attraction in the societally normal way), doesnt mean you'll automatically never have romantic desires or needs.
Now, how can you tell the difference? Simple, if an aroace person feels the need to clarify that they are lesbian or heterosexual, they likely have either very little sexual/romantic attraction or simply have sexual and/or romantic desires outside of the attraction, and are clarifying what gender(s) or people they're willing to be with.
Me, personally, i dont really feel sexual attraction all that often, but i still feel the need to clarify that im biromantic (bisexual but in terms of romantic attraction) so i and others know who or what demographic im interested in.
A lot of what i just said probably sounded like jargon so...my apologies, here's a really cheap summary to help it process better:
Some people on the asexual and/or aromantic spectrum feel the need to clarify the kinds of people/gender(s) they're interested in because not only can both identities be on a spectrum where sexual/romantic attraction may occur (just not in the way it does for the majority of the population) but also because there are more romantic/sexual needs and desires within us as people than just that type of attraction.
I'm not the best at processing information so maybe i missed a question or two in your responses but i hope this could be helpful!
The whole point of the Addams family was that they loved each other and had healthy communication. Every recent adaptation ENTIRELY messes it up. The musical, the animated movies, Wednesday, etc.
The live action movies were amazing! The show could have been great but it definitely failed. Personally I think they could have made it better by: 1. Because being goth is a lot less "weird" than it use to be so its odd to have her be in an outcast school and be considered weird for having a darker aesthetic.
2. If they made her actually likable and kind. Wednesday has always been kind but rude when provoked.
Something weird to me is that Wednesday was a sweet, happy child who just happened to love violence and dark things, up until the movies popularized this sarcastic 'edgy' version of her. It's okay, but it lost all its novelty after they made it her only defining trait, which they'd kind of leaned into in the animated films but here it's like her only consistent personality trait.
Right. It was a genius move at first, because she was STILL a sweet and happy child, just underneath the exterior of a cold, distant one. But it was SO popular that they just kept pushing it.
The problem with many stories lately is that they have good concepts but do not follow up on them..!
I so want Wednesday and Enid to be a gay couple it’s so obvious that they care for each other
Asexuals exist regulaitioncrash
I feel if they became a couple, it would be too boring. Care for people isn't always the same as being in love, and in this case wouldn't make much sense
@@leavemealone802valid take
Love me some queer couples in media but no. We shouldn't equate care to romance automatically. If anything Wednesday comes off more as aroace
They care for eachother as friends
I also hated the fencing scene. What they were doing was NOT fencing.
Just a side note.
I enjoyed Wednesday, other than the romance stuff which they've promised to eliminate from season 2. I'd be very into q narrative that starts away from the Addams family as we know it and grows into a stronger family bond and learning to find friends and junk.
But you generally have pretty good takes, so I'm eager to hear why you'd dislike it so much and if it bpils down to the pointless romcom stuff.
there's a lot of stuff i really hated about this show. the dialogue sucked most of the time and the story was mid at best. but the thing i hate the most is that they named Wednesday's ancestor "Goody Addams." like Goody wasn't a name, it was more of a title usually used in the way we use Mrs./Ms. now. anyone who had to read The Crucible in school would know this.
idk at the end i might just be stupid but I thought Goody could only help because Wednesday was DYING which would make her close to becoming a ghost, idk
Oooh fair. I thought it was like, a spirit spending all of the residual energy that kept her on our plane.
4:10 YES THANK YOU, EXACTLY
I felt so weird about this show, cause I REALLY tried to enjoy after hearing how amazing it is but I just couldn’t. It was annoying me most of the time. It was okay at best to me, so hearing all the praises around was a weird feeling. It felt like I just couldn’t see what other see, tbh.
My biggest issue with this show is that it turns Wednesday into kind of a smug little edgelord asshole. In all other interpretations i have seen Wednesday was a somewhat standoffish but ultimately kindhearted girl who just had wierd interests... She didn't talk down to people unless they had been rude to her first and even then it was more annoyed sarcasm than arrogance. In this show she just comes off as soooo pretentious. Sometimes she even comes off as psychopathic. Which is an interpretation of Wednesday i could get honestly behind but only of they leaned fully into it.