Disturbing Racism Behind The Confederate Flag, Bill O'Reilly Disagrees
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- "Last week’s massacre of nine black churchgoers by a white gunman in Charleston, South Carolina, re-ignited debates over the Confederate battle flag.
While federal and state flags were lowered to half-staff in the wake of the shooting, the symbol of the Confederate forces flew high over the state’s Capitol grounds in Columbia. That flag is padlocked in place, preventing it from being lowered to half-staff, but many activists, politicians and regular citizens want it gone altogether, citing it as a symbol of racism and hate."
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Plenty of racism behind the US flag too but there aren't enough Natives left to protest that effectively
welcome2havoc What Custer and many others did to Native Americans while flying the US flag, including the massacre at Black Kettle's village on Washita Creek and the 1890 slaughter at Wounded Knee, was deplorable. Many Native Americans, however, have also fought under the US flag, including the Navajo code talkers and the less well known Comanche code talkers. In fact, a disproportionately high number of Native Americans, including Lakotas whose ancestors obliterated Custer and his men at the Little Bighorn/Greasy Grass, enlist in the US military and serve under that flag. US policies have changed, but the CSA never changed its advocacy of slavery.
Racist coverup is racist.
welcome2havoc George Carlin put it best. 'This country was founded by a group of slave owners who wanted to be free. Am I right? A group of slave owners who wanted to be free! So they killed a lot of white English people in order to continue owning their black African people, so they could wipe out the rest of the red Indian people, in order to move west and steal the rest of the land from the brown Mexican people, giving them a place to take off and drop their nuclear weapons on the yellow Japanese people. You know what the motto for this country ought to be? "You give us a color, we'll wipe it out!"'
welcome2havoc But the stars and bars that we see today was made specifically because of racism, whereas the American flag has many other connotations to it
welcome2havoc Yeah yeah, the 50 stars represent the 50 tribes conquered by the hwites. I didn't misspell that. It's the most racist accent I can type.
Being racist is part of their heritage
You love the young turks don't you lol
It's apart of the every human every one has it in them.
J V sometimes
Breaking News Can't be polluting the gene-pool if you keep it all in the family.
luulay jxmx Give me the name of your country - I'm sure your people have never exploited countless minorities. If you're from any country in Europe, then they have, and racism is part of your heritage too - sorry to break it to you hun.
I blame auto-correct; obviously O'Reilly was talking about the flag stood for Slavery. His prompter just auto-corrected Slavery to Bravery.
it all makes sense now
***** If he acted like that all the time he might actually be entertaining.
megusdragun Clever pony - made me laugh!
megusdragun Fox needs a new intern
Garrett Allen
No thank you, but I appreciate the offer.
We have ISIS beheading people and THIS is an important issue? What the hell?
TheBanannaPanda honestly I think both can be important issues. Just on different levels
UltimateNonHater I can see that. I know racism is an issue but the fact that we're freaking out over a flag is kinda dumb.
isis WANTS the attention, so don't give it to them, geez
TheBanannaPanda
I don't think ISIS is a legitimate problem we need to focus on. Racism is a real problem, but not one that I think getting rid of a flag will stop.
tauras88d What? I dont even watch CNN
People pretend as if the Confederacy were the only racist yet Abraham Lincoln himself said "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races"-Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858. The Confederate flag was a symbol of defiance to the tyranny of the Federal Government and the struggle for state rights, not a symbol of white power.
And before you argue that the Civil War was fought over slavery; Maryland, Missouri, West Virginia, Delaware, and Kentucky fought for the Union yet practiced slavery. Delaware and Kentucky didn't even abolish slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified.
De Cogan So please, you delusional liberal, stop this nonsense. If you have any counter argument i would love to hear it
It was fought for states rights? What kinds of states rights are you referring to?
The ability to revoke the tariffs put up by the federal government, the ability to refuse the federal government the right to build up military power within their states (which they were doing prior to the civil war began), and the ability to overrule laws that help expand the federal governments power to dictate a states laws
Bruce Wesley It was for Money....Union would of been broke if the south left them. learn history or I can show you
Bruce Wesley
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarif...y and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion. MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves. FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865. U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days." Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies! Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901! MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships. FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation. BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious. These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South. This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media. MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation. FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war. The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag. The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce. The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy. The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy. MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars". FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross". MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today. FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels. MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom. FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy. MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator. FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination. MYTH - The South revered slavery. FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now. MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners. FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war. MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks. FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South. Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South. MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups. FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE. MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group. FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
I'm Black and from the South and I disagree with intergration. Blacks should be with blacks and whites with whites. You see there are to many whites who dislike balcks and blacks who dislike whites.I don't think we are suppose to be living amongst each other.
Lincoln said the same thing.
+Pope Dawkins We are more stronger separately than together.
Terry Tolbert No, that's totally subjective, you don't know that.
+Pope Dawkins Actually I do know this. If we are separated then the white man's value will go down because Noone would need them that's why this will never happen.The white race would get exposed and they can't have that
+Pope Dawkins Racist? What have I said that would make you assume that? I'm not a racist
So shouldn't Isis flag represent bravery as well?? I mean they're fighting hard for there beliefs right
J V Yes.
J V Excellent point.
J V Yes. Different flags mean different things to different people..
Agreed.
Hey, don't forget the nazis :) those crazy bastards
MrDavee1 correct. However, when one flag stands for slavery and demanded to have the right to own slaves is, um, very frown upon. The ownership of another human life, by force in fear of death, is considered a very douchebag move.
I used to live in the south. I knew people who proudly displayed the confederate flag. And I knew what they said to the people close to them. Every single one of them was extremely racist. Maybe there are 1 or 2 people who use that flag that aren't racist, but every single one of them that I knew was racist and I knew a lot of them.
+Terri Lynn Also, I remember when I was in about the 1st grade and we had a black student come to our school. He was enrolled about half way through the year. And I remember the teachers saying that he was the first black student at our school. Ever. And this was in the 90s! The south is extremely racist. Of course not all, but the vast majority definitely is.
+Terri Lynn Thank you for your honesty.
+Terri Lynn Well, you must just attract racists then.
Stay in the North, Yankee. We don't need nor want your approval of our flags.
+Terri Lynn thanks for the truth!
PhdMusic03
Ain't nothing truthful about what she's said, just hateful anti-southern bigotry.
I couldn't care less about this flag but I can't help but state the obvious. Flags don't make people racist. They are racist before they use the flag for whatever event.
L.M The obvious isn't so easy to see for the indoctrinated.
Truer words were never spoken
L.M
So who exactly has claimed that flag has made someone racist O_O?
L.M but when a racist sees that flag flying above the state house, sold in stores, and on the bumpers of people he drives past, he feels justified in his beliefs. I'm not saying people shouldn't have the right to wave whatever flag they want, but our government buildings are no place for it. You can claim symbols like flags are harmless, but they perpetuate the environment that racism grows in.
L.M Its not about making someone racist, its about what that flag stands for. A time of a nation divided, slavery and segregation. It holds no good merit and not to mention what Stary said White supremacist hate groups and pro segregation people back in the day felt the flag embodied their beliefs and thats why they all carry it proud til this day
I'm Dutch, so I'm not well versed in the history behind this, but surely the Confederate flag existed long before it started to be used to justify racism? That means that the flag's origins are not rooted in racism.
EDIT: I was ignorant; even if the flag simply stood for the southern states, those states were still proslavery. Even if not every member of those states agreed with slavery, the flag still sent the message that slavery was good. I'm glad this flag is not flying high anymore.
Wow, I never even heard of that speech in the history lessons at school. But then, history was always very Euro-centric in the Netherlands... which is a shame.
Thanks for clarifying. The Young Turks made it seem like the only reason why it was racist was because it was sometimes associated with racism, but now I know what they mean.
I think I'll edit my comment to show that I too now think the flag is racist.
Chameleonard Don't feel bad. US schools don't teach us about that speech either. The civil war is minimized in our US history classes, even though it's the most important event in our history.
H.D. Rider As far as I'm aware, the Netherlands wasn't explicitly founded on white supremacy and slavery.
Kevin Luna Then you are not aware. Sorry chum. The Dutch made Mucho dollars off the shipping of slaves.
H.D. Rider It doesn't matter. The Netherlands wasn't founded on white supremacy and slavery, unlike the confederacy.
The same people that say it's bad to have a confederate flag still uphold the name of people who committed the Armenian Genocide. A bit ironic, I think.
No flag represents me, I don't care what flag flies, as long as it isn't a flag that betrayed their country.
corey you if you like the confederate flag then your for slavery
"The same people that say it's bad to have a confederate flag still
uphold the name of people who committed the Armenian Genocide."
Projectionist ad hominem attack & defense, wrapped in a straw-man argument logical fallacy, with a heaping of "2+2=5 bc, I say so! That is therefore why I'm right & they are wrong!" logic.
You support white supremacy, Corey! I wouldn't have any respect for you if you admitted that; but, I would have more respect for you than I do now if you did.
Bill O'Reilly is a piece of shit, the side of the South are sore losers, who fought for all the wrong reasons. They are so despicable that they taught the same garbage to their children and them to their children. That's why they support Trump because they've been failing for decades.
SpookeyR I care, but it doesn't matter does it? People have that right the government does not.
It's the Confederate battle flag.
Well if O'Reilly said it, of course it's a lie. By the way, the Black Panthers were pretty brave. If Obama wore a Black Panther medallion, I'm sure O'Reilly would understand.
Red Meth oh you Know Bill would be calm and respect the presidents beliefs and......bwaaaahahahahahaha sorry I couldn't keep a straight face. :D
Red Meth I missed the part where anyone was trying to hang a Black Panther flag in any state capitol or any other government facility.......?
Chicago university does fly a black panther flag
***** Remember when you elected people to work at that university? No? Me neither. Moving on.
Red Meth I mean, there are black pride flags flown by allegedly responsible authorities. What more do you want?
"The Confederates fought hard."
My ass they did. According to a Confederate painter, at least sixty-seven percent of Confederates retreated from the battlefield. The painter even recalled someone dropping the Confederate flag to leave.
Which battlefield? When? Where? Who's the painter? A little more information here would be helpful, but I'd like to see you march a mile, over open ground, towards a heavily defended Yankee center, and then be called a coward.
I disagree. The Confederates fought hard to resist the tyranny of the North. It was not about slavery, but the institution of slavery was part of their culture. They were not traitors. Secession was legal. It was the invasion of the North that was illegal. The war was not even about slavery until later in the war. The North kept getting beat up by the South and the voters in the North were becoming weary of their army losing to the fierce Confederate warriors (who were protecting their homeland). Lincoln had to find a reason to continue his illegal war, so he used slavery as the reason to keep going. Even Lincoln himself said that he didn't care about slavery. People in the North had slaves. Even blacks had slaves. So don't think the war was just about slavery. It wasn't. And don't think the Confederate States of America was only about slavery. It wasn't. It was about resisting a tyrant and an oppressive government. Much like we have today.
+Sidney Patin
The south seceded illegally, committing treason and started a war so they could
continue enslaving human beings. The Statements Of Secession clearly stated
slavery was the cause of the war. The North did not respond until Lincoln
called for 75,000 volunteers to put down the rebellion. Once that happened they
kept winning battle after battle. . Early in the war the Union had plenty of victories (Boonville, Hokes Run, Rich Mountain, Athens, Hatteras Inlet, Carifax Ferry, Cheat Mountain, Santa Rosa Island, Camp Wild Cat, Springfield, Belmont, Dranesville, Mt. Zion Church) Northern victories that happened in the 1st year of the war. The Union soldiers realized how brutal slavery was in the south and knew it had to be terminated, as all Northern states had abolished slavery way back in 1804.
1862 is even more one sided in favor of the Union. In Feb. 1862 with the war less than a year old. Fort Henry was captured and 12,000 southern soldiers surrendered at Fort Donelson, the 1st of three southern armies to surrender to the Victorious “Unconditional Surrender” Ulysses S.Grant the winning general of the war. Lee? not 1 union army surrendered to him. Not. Even. One.More Union victories at Pea Ridge, New Madrid, Missouri, and Island #10 continued the Union success, the Federals captured the prized city of New Orleans in April 1862. Only one year for The Union to gain control of the lower Mississippi River and the important trading port of New Orleans.The Union victory at New Orleans was an event that had major international significance. The Capture of New Orleans was a serious political blow to the Confederacy and contributed to the lack of formal support from the powers in Europe. The south was incapable of winning even one battle to convince foreign nations to support the rebels. No country recognized the csa, the Southern “diplomats” were rejected by the Brits who were ant-slavery. Great Britain abolished slavery in 1833. If Britain or France had allied with the south, the rebels may have won the war.
The North defeated the South, winning The War of Southern Aggression.Four million human beings gained freedom.
I agree.
Notice how some lost causers try and wreck the timeline? A whole lot of southern Aggression and acts of war against the US happened before the North finally responded and their was no northern "invasion" just a move to put down the southern rebellion.
+RonPaulHatesBlacks So typical of liberals who (1) try to make up facts to support their position, and (2) call the other side names and make up lies about the other side, when they can't support their position.
I didn't say I wish the CSA had won the Civil War. I said it would be a different world if they had.
+RonPaulHatesBlacks + linda harris
And where did it say that I support slavery? Another lie to cover your misunderstanding of history? I do not support slavery, never did. The fact is that slavery as an institution was on its way out, even at the beginning of the civil war. The South would have been pressured economically to abandon slavery. Not necessarily from the North, which had many slave owners on their farms and ranches, but by the South's principal business partners in Europe. If slavery was the "reason" for the war, there was no reason for the war. The war was about keeping the agricultural South under the thumb of the industrial North, and about the right of the states to secede from the union when it became obvious that the North was going to tax the Southerners out of existence. Believe what you want, whoever your real name is. But your beliefs are misplaced. The secession was legal. (That's a legal argument that was supported by many legal scholars, even in the Yankee states.) The South was treated horribly before, during, and after the "civil war" (nothing was civil about it). The war did not preserve the union. It only created a rift between the north and the south that will never be resolved. I could go on and on, but I feel like I'm speaking to a 2x4. So I'm done. You believe what you want to believe. I will do the same.
+RonPaulHatesBlacks - What the CSA did was to defend themselves (edited) against the Northern bastards before they come in and take over everything - which is exactly what they did.
Ever heard of a pre-emptive strike?
Gun man in Chattanooga shoots up recruitment office= This is just a lone wolf attack
Some dumb kid shoots up church= OMG let's erase our history! And blame all of the south!
i like to consider myself a liberal and my thought on the confederate flag is that regardless of what it represents i believe that its important that its not banned since that would mean that the government will be violating your 1st amendment right. regardless if it offends you or not,you must stand for the individuals right to express his opinion, thats what a real liberal stands for.
Got to an airport a scream "bomb" and see how many rights you really have lol
kakarot cabage Wrong. No one is going to prevent an individual from flying this flag. This is about states officially endorsing a symbol of slavery and treason.
Eric14492 Thank you. I've explained this so many times I want to scream.
kakarot cabage It will never be banned, but it has no place on any government-owned public property. You wanna fly it, fine, but do it on your own damn property.
Sadly the days of your kind of liberal are gone. It must be frustrating to be an "old school" liberal in today's society. I imagine Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would be very upset too!
I don't really listen to the Young Turks when I want to learn about the history of our nation.
As George Carlin said "I leave symbols to the simple minded".
To answer the question in the beginning, we choose the X shaped flag because it was the battle flag. The ones our ancestors were fighting and dying under.
It stands for the southern states
I see the Confederate flag as a middle finger to the government. hehe.
Same here especially the Washington bureaucrats trying to regulate every aspect of our lives
Yes and you’re kind are the ones who love cops aka the government, controlling women’s body autonomy aka advocation gov control over private decisions. You dum bag of rocks jeeez you guys are absolutely embarrassing I honestly just feel bad for you. 😂😂😂
The Confederate Flag is a symbol of southern pride and a reminder of those who gave their lives defending the south. "The right to have slaves... That was what the civil war was about." No, the Civil war erupted over states rights; not slavery. The South was mostly people in favor of state's rights, and the North was mostly people who wanted the national government to have more power over the state's..... Slavery only got involved because the Union wanted something to use against the south for propaganda purposes and to make them seem morally superior. Yes, the flag was hijacked by hate groups and extremist as a symbol for their agenda in the 1900's (biggest example: the KKK). Just because it was used in racially motivated acts in the 1900's (years after the war was over) doesn't mean the flag was founded on racism and hateful ideas. It was a symbol for people who stood up and fought against an oppressive government (that outnumbered them and had far more industrial power than them) and defended their homeland to protect their families against Union rapist and pillagers in the 1860's. "They fought hard for the right to enslave, rape, and kill black people." Not even close...... Most of them fought to defend their homeland or were forced to fight. Yes, slavery was big in the south because they played a key role in the picking and producing of cash crops (Which the Northern states bought tons of to help support their economy so they were practically promoting slavery in a sense). It was not about rape or murder at all. Did it happen? Yes, there were cases of rape, torture, and murder of African Americans but not on a large scale. The Union did the same thing to southern people when they broke through confederate lines but they're praised as "Hero's" for supposedly freeing slaves in the history books. Fact, many slaves were set free during the civil war when the Union came and in return many former slaves fought for the South or at their former master's side. "How about paying respects to the dead slaves".... What the actual fuck....... First off, there was no fucking genocide against slaves during or before the Civil War. Killing them or mindlessly torturing them constantly would have been bad for production and wouldn't have made any sense. Yes, some slaves died while in captivity but not as many as you may think and I'm sure most of it was from disease or illness. Secondly, what the fuck have we been doing for the past 50 YEARS. We already teach kids in schools today that the Confederates were "wrong" for defending their homeland and that freeing the slaves was the Unions main priority (it wasn't). Black people are practically first class citizens now and have plenty of public sympathy. "Well there's still racism against black people" well there is racism against white people, Asians, Latinos, and other races as well... Your point? "A bunch of traitors, who stabbed this country in the back..." The Union states are the ones who started it by wanting more power. "Know your facts know your history" yeah you CLEARLY know your history Cenk... I mean you stated a bunch of quotes that the rebelling states supposedly made (which could have been easily changed by the Union in the history books since the victors are the ones who right history). In conclusion you're just another retarded liberal who needs to do some actual research instead of listening to what popular belief tells you. Also quit riding the NAACP's dick for once and stop shoving Crispy Cream Doughnuts down your throat and lose some weight will ya? No matter what issue it is you're always on the African American side as if your always trying to prove that black people are angels or something. This video is just another desperate attempt to demonize southern people and keep your liberal "pro-everything that doesn't challenge non-white ideals" agenda. It's because of people like you why we're at the state were at now in this country. North and South at each other's throats just like before; and people like you are just fueling the flames and paving the way for another conflict.
Waggish Lag You are correct......It was mainly over state's rights.....The south was tired of the over reaching Federal government.......You will never hear a northern Liberal say that.......
Waggish Lag Excellent
Waggish Lag Actually you are right only about one thing. The Civil War was about states rights. Slavery was a wedge issue but it was not the sole issue. In fact, the truth is that England in order to divide the US began to use slavery and the North imposing more restrictive tariffs on the South as a way to continue trading slaves and guns throughout the known world. The British Empire saw a United States to be a threat to their economy which also was built of the sale of guns, people, and opium. The British government used many US traitors to incite them to succeed from the union. In the mean time the abolitionist movement was gaining strength, this created a powder cake which resulted in the Civil War.
The original confederate flag as it was has no resemblance of the flag today. The so called flag today was used as a terrorist symbol to promote white supremacy and terrorism against people of color. Just like the Nazis used the Swastika for their white supremacist movement, the stars and bars and the burning cross serve the same purpose. I find it ironic that we are against terrorism abroad but we allow it in the form of white supremacy at home. Where you have people that are traitors to the ideals of liberty and justice for all resort to excusing terrorist behavior because it is directed a the former slaves who were forced to immigrate to this country for the benefit of white citizens of this nation.
Ryooken Oh come on! You gotta admit I was right about Cenk and his weight as well. I mean he's like the poster child of a beer gut having drunken, romantic conquests with a dad bod. Anyway I was never aware of the British involvement; I'll have to read up on that. Thanks for telling me. But I'm going to stick with what I said about the flag though. The later flag "the southern cross" was hijacked by white supremacy groups. www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAL&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2015%2F06%2F24%2Fus%2Fconfederate-flag-myths-facts%2F&ei=mCGXVcepBcnksAWzxYj4BQ&usg=AFQjCNHLUw_8NOmAtJ5hk0hm38vz2w3yug&sig2=BXgKM8ySZldoBZ3N1vbcaA
Waggish Lag Even if the "Southern Cross" never had association with slavery, it still represents a symbol of treason. You can honor the soldier and not the war. But to have this flag hide behind this facade of "southern pride" or bravery is ludicrous. It's even more surprising that it's now 2015 and we are finally calling people out on their bullshit.
*JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE TYPED IT UP ON THE INTERNET DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE* know your history! you were doing well till you started quoting the huffington post.
Confederate Flag:? nope its the flag of Robert E. Lee
Lüke jaywwalker It's the flag of the Army of Virgina.
Lüke jaywwalker Just as the U. S. Flag is the "rag" of the Northern Aggressors
James Ronnie Green keep telling your self about "the war of northern aggressors" when the confederates opened fire first so...
James Ronnie Green oh, you mean the aggressors who took this land from the Indians? ....... go ahead keep preaching.
TJlinehand No, actually, I was referring to the aggressors who refused to yield Fort Sumter to the Confederacy when it was on Confederate soil. Much like the Cubans rejoiced when the USA finally yielded Guantanamo Bay Prison to the Cuban Government because it was on Cuban soil. I do not understand what the loss of Native American lands to Caucasians in general has to do with the subject at hand. Are you saying that it was only Southern whites who took Indian lands?
The Germans fought hard in WW2. maybe, at the UN they should alternate between the German flag, the Swastika and the Iron Cross. You know, to respect their heritage.
Let's not forget it was Christianity and the bible the justified and protected slavery in the south.
*****
Christian slavers used to the Bible repeatedly to show that God supports slavery. There are many passages in the Bible telling you how to treat slaves and describing slavery as natural and normal.
Try used scripture like Exodus 21
as someone from georgia, the confederate flag is a "southern pride" symbol here more than anything.
Here's the truth: The vast majority of Southerners did not have servants. Some 95% did not. Then the question begs to be asked, "Why did they fight?" When Union troops captured citizen-soldiers of the Confederacy and asked them why they were fighting, the answer every single time was, "Because YOU'RE here!" The truth is, they fought illegal invasion.
For the most part, these men were descended from Revolutionary patriots who gave everything for their freedom. The 'shot heard 'round the world' was by THEIR fathers. The Colonies SECEDED from Great Britain, why would they do less when they were threatened again?
It's Independence Day. Why not learn the truth about the second American Revolution? Happy Independence Day.
They want to believe the lies because, it lets them hate without restriction.
Secession is illegal and unconstitutional. The 13 colonies broke away because they hated the British. The South seceded because they hated America.
Where in the Constitution does it say that secession is unconstitutional? I didn't see that. In fact secession is very much in the news. Several states are talking about secession. GB seceded from the EU. And more. I still contend that the Southern states had the right to seceded, and it was the North that violated the Constitution.
Sidney Patin Some people don't understand little things like facts, or logic.
+Sidney Patin Section. 10.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.
Drewzy Dog you're thinking of George Carlin.
Always. :)
Drewzy Dog Language itself is symbolism. My words are just sounds that we've arbitarily agreed to attributed meanings. These letters are symbols that together project thoughts to whoever is reading them. We communicate through symbols because we are all symbol-minded.
The main issue here is that stupid people do stupid things for stupid reasons and the end result is that the rest of the people see a non racist symbol as a racist symbol.
+RonPaulHatesBlacks Not once have I said slavery is okay or that I like it. I find slavery a very unsavory and distasteful. Its dark stain in human history that I wish wasn't there and I wish everyone would get along. Just because I don't feel like going through my history books or all the notes I took in college and high school or track down every bit of literature on history I've read, wrote, or glanced at just to appease you does not make me a liar. Was slavery the core reason of the secession? Yes, but I chose to go deeper than just slavery. There were economic and cultural reasons as well.
I apologize that my lack of sources offends you. However I don't see anyone else listing their sources of their opinions in their comments so I didn't feel like I needed to.
+Domenion Correct.
Exactly!
+RonPaulHatesBlacks The point is..do you feel your not equal to the white man now? Jw, if the racist thing is a pacifier for you with a name like "Ronpaulhatesblacks" That right there, is still feeding racism. NOT A FLAG! If your ancestors were set free 150yrs ago, where would they go? What would they have done? What would they have owned? ABE did not care about your ancestors, WE DID! If so, then ABE would have paid your ancestors the same pay in the civil war as Union soldiers, who didn't want to fight with the colored. They were losing is why your ancestors walked into a union trap that took 100yrs to get out of. My ancestors along with only 5-10% owned slaves. The North/Union/ABE, Sold your ancestors out! Some of us "Southerners" saved your ancestors, took care of them, fought beside them against Northern aggression. So many colored people fought with and for that flag too, with us. Give them that much credit and stop hating your ancestors if it's a "racist thang ". Sad as hell. You just Dk..
I have no issue with removing offensive Flags and statues, it's all about respect. Therefore, please remove the Tupac Shakur Statue in Atlanta. I find him ,his treatment of women (which had him incarcerated for) and his message of gangster rap offensive. Please respect my feelings.
If people are allowed to fly the Soviet flag or the Nazi flag then why should it be any different for the confederate flag ? Most arguments against this only pander to feelings and not logic.
Individuals are allowed to display the flag on their own property. State governments however have the right not to endorse this symbol on public grounds.
Shiva Richmond yeah I'm not denying it's a bad idea but people should have the right to fly a flag no matter how offensive
Alex Cruz
Showing nazi symolism on public places or places viewable from public is a crime within every country of the EU, Only in Hungary and Germany the people will allow you because they still believe in nazism.
Shiva Richmond flying offensive flags shouldn't be a crime, that's absurd
Alex Cruz
freedom of speech doesn't apply when you promote violence against any individual. Under that law Nazi/Confederate symbols are forbidden.
Cenks "OF COURSE's" are really starting to get annoying
Long Live Dixie!!!
It doesnt represent just bravery it represents southern heritage
1: everyone knows that the battle flag isn't the confederate flag, but the battle flag is about tradition, because it was used
2: you forgot the Bonny Blue Flag, that shows you know nothing about the topic, so you shouldn't be hating on patriots
3: they brought it back for racism, yet it is extremely ignorant to assume everyone who cherishes the flag is racist, most of the time it isn't about race, it is about tradition and culture
+Kirk Cooey 4: the American Civil War was about taxes and states rights, and the flag represents Bravery, Freedom and Rebellion, it has nothing to do with racism, it is a piece of cloth, so it really doesn't mean anything, up for interpretation, dead slaves are respected in black history month and Martin Luther King day, or Robert E Lee day in the south which takes place on the same day
+Kirk Cooey 5: YOU look up history, IT ISTN ABOUT SLAVERY, got any proof about your bold and most likely fabricated quotes and sources, come on, list some
+Kirk Cooey *isnt
Just a typo
1: Whether it's the battle flag, the national flag, the Bonnie Blue, or Lee's epaulets, if it's a symbol of the CSA, it's a symbol of oppression and racism.
3: They brought it back for the same reason it was created in the first place. It was no coincidence they chose that flag.
4: The Civil War had nothing to do with taxes. There is nothing that supports that assertion.
What state's right was at issue? Slavery. That was the state's right at issue. It has everything to do with racism.
If the CSA had won, the institution of chattel, African slavery in the South would still be federally protected everywhere the CSA existed.
5: Proof it is about slavery: The declarations of secession. Give them a look. Not once are taxes or tariffs mentioned. Slavery, though, is the central theme through all of the documents. Alexander Stephens's Cornerstone Speech. Now You look it up.
I agree this flag may be perceived as racist, but I live in Tennessee and I fly a Rebel Flag... Not because I want to kill or discriminate towards blacks. I fly it to show thanks to my ancestors who died fighting for what they believed in
+Jarrell Dawkins So Germans who had Nazi ancestors should fly the Nazi flag too?
okay
thanks
+Jarrell Dawkins Even if what they believed in was the enslavement of another race. Just because they are your ancestors does not mean you condone all of their actions
+Jarrell Dawkins Which was SLAVERY!
+Qwyatt Storm Not everyone in the South were slavers, Qwatt. There were normal peace loving people who knew nothing of slavery, and worked as hard as the slaves did in the fields to make their living.
They originally wanted to fly the U.S. flag because they felt that they're position on states rights was consistent with the with the founding fathers original intent. But ultimately decided to go against that idea, for obvious military reasons. The second flag you showed was swapped out because it looked too much like a surrender flag. The one with the red stripe on the end was the first attempt to remedy that. The final version was their practical solution to an actual military problem.You honestly have no clue what you're talking about. That flag is a battle flag. It had a practical purpose in battle. Didn't have a goddamn thing to do with slavery in any battle it was ever in. Do you even know what the purpose of a battle flag is? I assure you it isn't about the promotion of slavery or any other ideology. It is a MILITARY flag, one of many flown by the Confederate army. That one in particular is the flag of northern Virginia, Robert E. Lee's outfit. My great great grandfather fought and bled and watched his brothers die all around him, and nearly died himself, as a member of Lee's army under that flag fighting against northern federal aggressors who were in his neck of the woods, not the other way around you simpering flabby panty-waste. Nothing to do with heritage? Are you serious? Tell us again what the racist heritage is of the "Young Turks" name you use? You filthy racist trash. If you wanted to get down to the true sentiment that it represented at the time, it is akin to the "Come and Take It" flag the Texans flew at Gonzales. Sink, or whatever your goofy name is, you are an absolute dolt. A tool. You have no business giving history lessons...
Joe Bauers It's a conniving attack on the south in order to gain votes of people who put their trust in the media. I think you will find this confederate letter interesting...... www.dailyprogress.com/news/confederate-soldier-s-letter-shows-feelings/article_6d9bfaa9-0012-5002-9d54-76bf7e7eef7b.html
My great great grandfather was a soldier in Lee's Army and he fought under that flag. My great grandmother was born in 1880 and died at the age of 107 when I was 11 yrs old. I remember her well and remembered her speaking on this issue as well as my grandmother after she had passed and they were both good Christian women who didn't have a racist bone in their body. This was the version I had always heard growing up as well. lol Liberals as such despicable scum. They're such clueless blood-sucking spoiled degenerates.
William Smith Thx for posting that... Prophetic.
"The prejudice of the race appears stronger in the States that have abolished slaves than in the States where slavery still exists. White
carpenters, white bricklayers, and white painters will not work side by side with the blacks in the North but do it in almost every Southern State." ~ Alexis de Tocqueville
And according to your implied logic the slavers were good for the slaves?
@@keysejama5286 No, I just quoted the famous author, Alex de Tocqueville, to help expose Northern hypocrisy. There were 260,000 free Blacks in the South, according to the 1860 census. They worked in small towns as carpenters, bricklayers, blacksmiths, painters, etc., and were welcomed and important members of the community. They attended the same churches as whites, and had no desire to go to the North where they were not welcomed. This was not the post war Jim Crow South, when the social fabric collapsed, and things got worse, especially for Blacks.
YOU ARE RIGHT, THE CONFEDERATES PRACTICED SLAVERY!!!! It not as if slavery were praticed for the last 10.000 years and is still practiced in places like Africa... oh wait...
***** yes that exactly what I am doing. Oppression, murder, and rape are parts of humanity, Racism is part of humanity too. It is time to stop condemning all the White people for having Slaves as if no one else did. By the contrary if not by White people slavery would still be full in force.
***** The american civil war didn't end slavery in the word, the English did. And there is no issue to be sweep here, there are no Slavery in the USA. The supposed issue is to persecute white people for their beliefs, freedom of speech is not a issue, hence freedom to use the confederated flag isn't one either. There are white people flying confederate flag with racist intent? Fuck let them, the same way there are lot and lots of black people promoting and hating on whites let people have the freedom to hate, accept the human species for what we are.
Kaiser Souze Also there was slavery in the North and Lincoln never even tried to abolish that. Seriously.
Kaiser Souze Yeah because X can't be a symbol for something that already existed.
Dumbshit.
***** The English putted pressure in countries that practiced slavery and it was in lead in the Abolitionist Movement without the English slavery could go own as main force for another 100 years. Well if the representatives of the state want to fly a swastika in public buildings I don't see a problem with that, the same way I don't see a problem if Detroit decide to fly a black panther flag around.
still think its a great flag ,, i mean look at all the rap bands and rock bands that have used it ,, like tom petty ,, kenya west ,,, lynryd skynryd , ,kid rock ,,, moccasin creek ,, to name a few ,, and a flag does not make hate ,, people do ,, take for instance ,, people killing police ,, flag has nothing to do with that does it or the people that are being murdered every night on the streets around the country ,, black on black crimes ,, riots in the street ,, and not a rebel flag to be seen ,,
+torinotom71 Just becausesome clueless musicians used the flag doesn't mean it's great,especially when the creators themselves and the original Confederates said otherwise
and how do you know what creaters said ?? do you know how much history is distorted over the years and by the way who cares what happened 200 years ago ,, know its a flag thats it ,, for some southerners it stands for the heritage of the south ,, not hate or racism ,, and if you noticed no one cared about that flag until the media made a big deal of it ,, now the flag is made famous or infamous but still everybody knows it now
+nthnpark0 Just because racists and thugs fly the flag when they do their misdeeds doesn't mean the flag is bad and doesn't mean the flag represents anything bad.
+nthnpark0 I suppose we can drag this out infinitum, but I thought this debate was about whether the Confederate flag is a racist symbol. I continue to argue that the flag is not a racist symbol. Perhaps some racists waived it but that does not mean that all of the CSA was racist.
If the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism, then the Stars and Stripes is a symbol of all the terrible stuff the USA did. And the list also includes racism and slavery.
this preaches all of my thoughts.
I respect this guy. Telling the full truth that people don't want to hear . You're awesome man. Tell them , make them feel the truth.
Rebel Flag that call it..?
I call it a traitors flag
Same
+Mark Sword shut up, there is no relation, reference Prager university video "Was the civil war about Slavery?"
***** 1. I'm part native American (a quarter mind you) So I know more about that than you do,
2. Reason to rebel against UK is for Freedom FROM OPRESSION
3. Yes the way the US did my ancestors and brethren is atrocious. But we are talking about the SOUTH rebelling against the US for you know slavery(and don't say NO THEY DIDN'T, cause they did and many states even stated that)
bombgun24 Bitch traitor say what?
+Mark Sword hmm, flag code of the United States should be more enforced then.
it was not racial the south wanted to seperate from the union yes they had slaves but look it up fumby before u say that it was not racial it was the flag the southerners took into battle because they wanted to seperate from the union not because they didnt want to mix w the blacks yes we had racism but we still do and guess what... the north had slaves and the whole emacipacone proclamation only freeded the slaves in the states that were succeeding from the union...look it up. love how u cut out part of the vid by the way. also the civil war was not only fought over slavery and the right to linch slaves but over states rights. if you think you have all the facts why dont you share all the factsthe Northern states were failing to return fugitive slaves, in violation of their obligations under Article Four of the Constitution.the Northern states tolerated abolitionists and insurrectionists (such as John Brown) who incited slaves in the South to rebel.misguided political and religious beliefs in the North made future sectional unity impossible.some states were elevating persons "incapable of becoming citizens" (i.e. free blacks) and using their votes to support anti-slavery policies.the Republican Party was planning to wage a war against slavery upon taking office in March 1861.U.S. Attorney General Jeremiah Black
ruled that the Union had no right to force the seceded States back into the
Union, declaring that a war with such intent was illegal. Attorney General
(1857-1860)
“If they "have a right to
secede," it is no business of the Federal Government what they do.
However, if as Congress says, they cannot secede, “they are still in the Union”
and the Union CANNOT MAKE WAR ON A STATE.” “Facts the Historians Leave Out”
John S. Tilley p.79
Therefore, if the Union made war on
States that were "still in the Union as Congress claimed," then the
president was guilty of treason. Article 3 Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution
states, “ Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against them…”
and as for them being unpatriotic did you know that the north almost succeeded just a few years before the civil war...again i say look it up.
btw like my flag
yes there was racism but did you know that Ulysses Grant a general for the north owned slaves yet Robert E Lee for the south did not i know it was partially racism but it was not totally racism like he said in this video
What were the battling for? The right to own slaves... You're right though, not racial. Goodnight
+Ronald Fordry I said there was rascism but it wasn't all that damn u need to read all not just the parts u want to
+Josh Aldrich Still racist. Just flying that wretched flag and attempting to defend that foul flag is, without any doubt, racist.
If one flies the a CSA flag, they are 'honoring' their Southern Heritage in the same manner as if one were to fly a Nazi flag to 'honor' their German Heritage.
Flags represent the stated principles of the entity that created them, and American flag represents its stated principles, freedom and equality as set forth in its founding documents like the Declaration of Independence. And as imperfect as that promise was in the mid 19th Century, the promise was still there to grow upon. The CSA flag on the other hand represents its stated principles, which were slavery and white supremacy, and the CSA itself made this distinction clear.
*_"The great truth, I repeat, upon which our system rests, is the inferiority of the African. The enemies of our institutions ignore this truth. They set out with the assumption that the races are equal; that the negro is equal to the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be legitimate. But their premises being false, their conclusions are false also. Most of that fanatical spirit at the North on this subject, which in its zeal without knowledge, would upturn our society and lay waste our fair country, springs from this false reasoning."_* - Alexander H. Stephens to the Virginia Secession Convention, April 23, 1861
So certainly the confederate flags represents racism, as racist white supremacy was the major founding tenant of the Confederacy and part and parcel with the slavery that the CSA was based on. Both the Nazi flags and the CSA flags really represent the same basic thing, a state based on a racial hierarchy and making people mere chattel.
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Neo confederates are just so intellectually dishonest. Every Northern state had acted to end slavery before the war, some as early as during the revolution, the last, New Jersey in 1846 enacted the final version of its gradual plan and by 1860 slavery is dead there also. And even as early as 1820 there will only be about 3000 slaves left in the North and that number is falling. (Macmillan Encyclopedia, "Slavery In The Civil War Era").
But meanwhile the Southern states not only refused to try to give it up, they grew it and embraced it even more so that even at the time of the Revolution:
_"The Southern Colonies of Maryland, Virginia, the Carolinas, and Georgia, by contrast, were not merely societies with slaves but "slave societies" organized economically, socially, and politically around the principle and practice of human bondage. In 1760, 88 percent of the 325,806 slaves in the British mainland colonies lived in the South."_ - Elizabeth R. Varon "Disunion, the coming of the American Civil War" p17
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"confederates fought hard" Bill O.
The SS fought hard too.
his references are the huffington post uh, one of the biggest race baiters there is ,,, so of course their info is gonna be unbiased and true ,,,,, yeah not ,,, it just blows my mind how little people know about history ,,, pick up an book, search the internet, actually learn about the civil war, and the history behind it ,, it was not all about the slaves ,,
keepsakesc Yeah, I know. That's why America is on the bottom when it comes to education. The confederate flag changed through history, so did the N-word. They think it's cool to say the N-word to your homies, but they're ancestors didn't like it. America = hypocrites
THIS IS NOT THE REAL TRUTH
You are the true definition of a peckerwood racist piece of shit. Here, you have educational documents presented to you and yet you choose to refuse the truth......please don't have children
It's not racist it's history. I raise it every day.
yes a history of racism
+Kadeem H yeah it Is races obvious
+Kadeem H Do your research boy
+Whack'em Stack'em I don't have to he did
This man is wrong. That flag has NOTHING to do with racism. That flag was for the confederate navy. The way most people use it, IS NOT FOR BEING ME TO BLACK PEOPLE, it was to say I'm gonna be a rebel with a rebel flag. It has never had anything to do with racism. You all probably know absolutely nothing about this flag.
"theHuffingtonPost did a nice article about this"
nuff said
Hey, the union had slavery too. The states of Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri all had slavery. Lincoln was racist, he wanted to ship blacks back to Africa after the war. He put unarmed black soldiers on the frontlines of battles to charge into confederate regiments so they can use up their ammunition. The Union was fighting a white man's war. They didn't allow blacks or native Americans into the army until they started to lose too many soldiers. Union generals Grant and Sherman purchased slaves and still did not free them after the proclamation or the 13th amendment. Robert E. Lee inherited his slaves from his family and freed them in 1862, he thought slavery was very evil and that it had to be destroyed. The south was fighting against a tyrannical government trying to take away states rights. General Sherman slaughtered and burnt southern towns cities farms and railroads to the ground. Innocent civilians were taken as prisoners of war and slaughtered on the street in front of their families. Imagine if you woke up one day by the sound of gunshots and the smell of smoke. You see your mother and siblings being taken away, your father and brother dead in the street in a pool of blood, and your house is being ransacked and set ablaze. You see, if you know anything about the civil war, you would know that very few people who owned lots of land in the south, planted cotton. If you produce an abundance of crops in one area for many years, you will get less of an abundance of that crop each year, thus destroying the land. That's why salve owners wanted to push slavery out west. But the Republican's party was formed to keep slavery out of the west. Before when Andrew Jackson was president, the north prospered and the south was very poor. This almost started the civil war but it didn't. By keeping slavery out of the west, it would destroy the economy of half of America, leading to a depression, which is why states seceded. Of course I don't believe in slavery, but the flag you see was the battle flag of the army of northern Virginia, Robert lee's army. It was not the national flag of the confederacy. The KKK stole and dishonored that flag. If you think that flag is racist, you need a history lesson. I'm sure many Native Americans find the Union flag racist, but it's not like there's much more of them anymore left to protest.
I'm an African American, and a Veteran of the U.S. Army, and yes I am offended by the flying of the "Confederate Flag." But not because it's tied to slavery or race, though I believe the arguement can be made that the Confederate flags stands for those things. Even if slavery never existed in this country, and racism found itself cut off with in our boarders, I'd still be against the flying of the Confederate or any other former national flag that has declared war on the United States. Here's why I'm avidly against and insulted by the flying of the Confederate flag at all ceremonies, events, public displays, and especially on the 4th of July:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
This statement to me is a Solomon oath we all take to not only our 1 national flag, but our 1 Unified country "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands..". The Confederate Flag for all the controversy surrounding it, first and foremost represents disunion and separation between the states, I'd argue treason, and a personal desire to no longer to be citizens of the United States which is the whole point of the Civil War. To fly any version of the Confederate flag is to continue the idea of disunion, which goes against another line in the pledge, "...one nation, under God, indivisible...". We are supposed to be above all other things, indivisible, meaning not divided to the point of war, only to the point of opinions until common ground for the common good "...with liberty and justice for all" is found. This means you are being a hypocrite if you recite the pledge above, and yet fly the Confederate flag on your house, on a pole, or on a vehicle. Where is your loyalty to your nation, your one true nation? The South is part of the Union of the United States. The South is a region, not it's own country, and yes there is a rich culture, good food, and a good ol' time down here, but it's not to be isolated and cut off from the rest of the country, as was the intention of those who originally designed and flew that old Confederate flag.
That flag, the one we see most now a days, which is really the Regimental Battle Flag, was literally followed into battle and war against the Constitution of the United States, and the flag that Constitution is represented by, and the republic that Constitution protects. This above all other reasons is why I say the flag should not be flown, but only displayed in historical exhibits. To fly a flag is to celebrate what that flag stands for. I fly the American flag, because though my country has many faults and has made many mistakes, I'm proud of what we have overcome, and I still have hope we can still overcome the many issues facing us. We can not deny that the Confederacy existed, for all the woes and issues we may have with it, we can not deny the sacrifices made on both sides, however misguided the causes those individuals believed in may have been, but we must deny the uprising, terrorism, and insurgencies that attempt to fester rallying to the flag that stood against the nation of the United States. We are one nation, and we have one flag! A flag I and millions of others have rallied to, fought behind, and died for. To fly any other national flag, is an insult to our flag. Flying another flags says you no longer wish to take part in what our flag represents, which is your right, but you should then consider renouncing your citizenship, and leaving the country if our flag, the American Flag, with her 50 stars, and 13 strips, representing all of us offends you. Keep your promise, and your pledge. My allegiance is to the United States! If yours is and you are sincere, stop flying a flag that does not represent everyone in your country, or simply leave the country.
If we put mouths on every flag - would all flags become the Chit Chat Flag?
40s: 80 years after civil war
50s: 90 years after civil war
60s: 100 years after civil war
Seems like honoring heritage.
That ending had me like: Wow!! Ya don't say????? I _never_ would've guessed
Lol
Yup the Democratic flag. Don’t you ever forget jenk or junk whatever your name is
it represents treason
It really does.
The first flag (Stars & Bars) is the " First National Flag of The Confederacy. That flag and Georgia's current state flag are one in the same. The only difference is Georgia's state seal sits inside the stars. People in Georgia have been strangely silent about their state flag and the opposite is true among people in Mississippi in regards to their state flag. Many don't know that it's been a recurring theme for Mississippi and Georgia. In the 20th century it was actually Georgia with more lynchings than any other state, while also being more of Klan stronghold as any other state, but popular notion has those dual distinctions with Mississippi and not Georgia.
One thing that's 100% true is that a Democrat raised the flag at the South Caroline statehouse and a Republican brought it down. And I'm a proud Republican.
To those of you that believe the confederate flag stands for racism here is a story about my family in the south during the civil war . And you can google it for proof. Bas Shaw my 3rd gr grandfather was Scottish "white" his nephews his wife's brothers children the Kirkland bushwhackers were Cherokee . They fought for the confederacy while Bas and his two sons were enlisted in the union army! The Kirkland brothers killed Bas and his two sons . They hated the union and what it stood for. The union destroyed their mill and they vowed to win by any means necessary! Go on google it... this flag nor the civil war had a damn thing to do with racism or slavery for that matter . It had everything to do with power and control.
So sad... people got wrong idea about the South. I'm a white Muslim from Mississippi, my forefathers were veterans of Confederency, I don't face any criticism even people know me I'm a Muslim. All they (my forefathers) did fightin' for their country. We got whites, blacks, even jews everyone here.
Yes! We wave Confederate flag, just to remind ourselves of history, and North call it racism.... Why don't people understand difference between Heritage & Hate ???
The confederacy flag is NOT racist. As an Irish man it is a symbol of rebellion against a foreign government who is imposing their laws over a people and denying their rights to self government, it has been well established that the majority of people in the southern states did not have slaves, and if we dig deeper we have to ask ourselves who introduced slavery to the new world in the first place, the british! whilst slavery is abhorrent in all aspects, we should not forget the irish fought for their independence and won albeit incomplete, maybe dixie will eventually have theirs, long live the confederacy
How can anyone logically support that symbol today?
The civil war was fought over slavery, plain and simple. The flag came back into the national spotlight when Strom Thurman ran for president in 1948 as a Dixiecrat. The Dixiecrat platform stated that the party did not support segregation. The use of the Confederate battle flag was a symbol made famous by these southern democrats, along with the KKK. Essentially, the south put up their "battle flag" once Truman called for new anti-discriminatory laws, which would have made lynching a federal crime.
The Civil War was fought for trade, tariffs, and states rights. It didn't have anything to do with slavery. Not till the end of the war where the Confederacy needed more bodies to fight. The Confederacy allowed colored people to fight for them and earn their freedom. In other words the Confederacy freed slaves first. Then the Union took that ONE STEP FURTHER.
The war was already going on before the freeing started. So the war wasn't over slavery. The war was over trade, tariffs, and states rights. BOTH SIDES FREED THE SLAVES.
Even after the colored people were freed, they were still second class citizens up until the 60s and even NOW they aren't treated well. The police force in America is still killing people of color just because they aren't white. Have you heard of Timer Rice? Have you heard of Erick Garner? Have you heard of John Crawford? Mind you, those are in the Northern States.
No army can stop an idea whose time has come, both sides freed them, Confederacy did it first.
Admittedly: The Confederacy made them fight for it with their lives, where as the Union just did it without them having to pay for it. (The Confederacy still did it first).
Myself being a black male, I think it is very wrong to ban this flag.
It's wrong to ban a simple design on polyester, regardless of what it stands for.
Very good report on the confederate flags. The Union Jack is the "battle flag" the confederates used during battles. The racist bigots back in the day new that this was a "battle flag" the confederates used and put two and two together. We live in the south and the confederates lived in the south and the Union Jack was their battle flag. Thus symbolizing the fact that they are at war, in conflict, combat, battle, with anyone who is not white. Unfortunately no one knows the real reason why Lincoln made the decision to go to war with the south. To get people to volunteer the PR excuse was to help end slavery and make men free. The American dream right? WRONG!!
Waving the confederate flag in America is like Germany waving a Nazi flag. But Americans love their country so much they disrespect their own flag, country and all the people who fight to protect this country. 😂😂😂
The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia NEVER flew over the American ships that brought blacks into slavery.
The American shipping that flew the flags of 15, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 stars which brought black Africans to the Americas were predominantly from New England.
Notice videos of the demonstrations and rallys The Ku Klux Klan held in Washington, DC. during the 1930s. The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is NOT among the flags that demonstrators carried.
The flag they carried was the Stars and Stripes. So since, the Klan waved the Stars and Stripe during their rallys and demonstrations - does that make the "Old Glory" a racist symbol by association. The answer is NO!
Neither does the misuse of the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia by the Dixiecrats!
The soldiers of the Army of Northern Virginia flew their battle flag. They were primarily yeoman farmers neither owning slaves nor plantations!
The flag that flew over American shipping which brought Africans to America in chains was the Stars and Stripes NOT the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia!
Incidentally, General Grant's wife owned a slave throughout the War of Northern Aggression.
I know the flag was brought back for racism but I fly it because that's the flag my ancestors fought under. I'm honoring them. For me, flying it has absolutely nothing to do with racism.
Wrong Kayle. Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware, and Maryland all had slaves and yet none of those slaves were freed by Lincoln's emancipation proclamation. But as usual, the facts of history have no place in today's white washed version of the war. In fact, slaves were only set free by a change in the constitution of the State of Missouri in 1865. Finally, Lee simply freed his slaves. Had Lincoln lived he likely would have successfully removed African Americans from this nation and resettled them in Africa and Central and South America. Let me clearly say slavery was a terrible institution. However, the lines between who was right and who was wrong aren't as clearly defined as some people insist.
Paying respects to the Confederate soldiers instead of slaves would be the equivalent of paying respects to al Queda instead of the victims in 9/11
146,000 black men fought in the civil war for the south the war was about freedom of the states not slavery.
+Bart Moore -wrong. 180,000 blacks fought for the Union, almost Zero for the south.
Sure it is...was just reading about the 3,000 black soldiers that supposedly fought for Stonewall Jackson..lol 3,000.. another nice round number
Of course - No enlistment records of any Blacks who fought for the Rebels.
"No Black rebel prisoners captured. No black csa soldiers ever found dead on the battle fields. No rebel diaries contain information pertaining to fighting or training with black men. Not one black rebel signing the pledge of allegiance all rebel prisoners had to sign before they left prison camps at the end of the war."
linda harris I didn't make the meme not Me nor anyone else knows the real numbers so unless any of you can produce a factual number you're just blindly posting shit too.And I personaly don't care how many they we're or weren't. fact is there we're some that fought for the CSA willingly and ur post my dear is 80% wrong according to actual documented facts.See that over there? Thats where you go with that BS. I'm done with this comment full of bla bla bla
RonPaulHatesBlacks find me on FB messenger and I'll post you some facts kiddo
+linda harris - If you google "black soldiers for the Confederacy" you will find many sources, with historical facts, about black soldiers who joined up to fight against the yankees and to preserve the Confederacy. For example see www.scv.org/documents/genworks/RoleofBlacksConfederateArmy.pdf
I just want to point out as a Southerner that the flag originated as the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia. Just because some people used it for something bad doesn't mean that is what it was meant to stand for. Anyway why are we obsessing over a flag when their are churches and mosques being blown up and beheadings of innocent men, women, and children everyday in the Middle East.
It's funny people forget that slaves, racism and lynching happened under both flags. The USA flag and the stars and bars of the CSA.
Let them fly their flag. No problem. That's their right. People opposed to it should just fly the flag of the Armies which conquered and destroyed the Army of Northern Virginia. Fly the flags of the Army of the Potomac (U.S. Grant's Army) and the Army of Tennessee (W.T. Sherman's Army). While Grant was a U.S. president, the true destroyer of the Confederacy and the commander of the glorious March to the Sea was the brilliant William Tecumseh Sherman.
The “Desire” was the first slave ship to be equipped in America. She was built in 1637, seventeen years after the Pilgrims landed in Plymouth. The Desire sailed from Salem, Massachusetts. Northern Yankee commercial and industrial system had its roots in profits made engaging in the African slave trade.
The Good Ship “Desire” was one of many Yankee ships preying upon hapless African people for the next 200 years. The New England slave trade was based on three commodities: rum, slaves, and molasses.
In New England, shave ships would take on a load of rum and fish which would be traded in Africa for slaves. The price of an African slave was about 200 gallons of rum. In the West Indies, the slaves were traded for molasses which would be taken back to New England to be distilled into rum.
Consequently, so important were the New England rum distilleries to the slave trade, the English Parliament made a serious effort to collect taxes on Molasses. Massachusetts merchants protested that the tax would ruin the slave trade causing 700 ships to rot for lack of work. In Massachusetts, there were some sixty-three distilleries. In Rhode Island there were thirty-five distilleries which produced rum. In 1763, the General Assembly of Rhode Island protested the imposition of the tax to the English Board of Trade:
“This little colony, only, for more than thirty years past, have annually sent about eighteen sail of vessels to the coast, which have carried about eighteen hundred hogshead of rum, together with a small quantity of some other articles, which have been sold for slaves…This distillery is the main hinge upon which the trade of the colony turns, and many hundreds of persons immediately upon it for subsistence.” [a hogshead of rum is about 63 to 140 gallons].
The flag which the slave ships of New England flew was not the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. The flag that flew over the New England slave ships was The Stars and Stripes - "Old Glory"!
You're right only about one thing, that this was never a national flag. It's called a battle flag because it was flown over troops charging into battle to fight for what they believed in, which was stronger rights for an individual state. If you condemn this flag for the racial movement of the fifties and sixties then you must also condemn the American flag because the two are always flown together. The facts are this, the majority of "racist" groups such as the klan and neo nazis reject this flag, but do you know what flag is flown over every single racial rally across the nation? The American flag. It's ignorant to say one flag is racist and the other stands for freedom. Both flew over the same conditions.
Just thought I'd add that there were black & Indian Confederates that fought the north too... Who proudly flew the very flag you insist is "racist"...
Please get a history lesson!
Nicola Marschall designed the Confederate flag and he wasn’t a Slave owner and Francis Hopkins created the Stars and Stripes and he owned over 100 slaves.
You all should be ashamed for attacking this flag when you know nothing. And you never will because you don't want to. You want to stay in your narrow minds that won't accept reality. The reality of this flag is heritage. Not hate.
For many Americans, this Confederate flag issue is new. For Black Americans, it is old and familiar story that they have been fighting in the south for nearly 53 years. Black Americans have been calling for the removal of the Confederate flag since Governor Wallace draped himself in it in opposition to the Civil Rights movement.
The reason the Confederate flag is getting national attention finally is for the same reason the Civil Rights movement did during its time. One moment in time occurs, like what happened during the Selma march that captures the attention of the many upstanding White Americans that see the abuse and the violence perpetrated on other human beings and is appalled at the injustice and get involved and create change that Black Americans could not do themselves with another 20 years of marching.
Remember, the Civil Rights movement didn’t start in the 50’s, it started January 1st, 1863 the day President Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, although, the freedoms asserted in that historic document would not begin to be more fully recognized for Black Americans until 101 years later when President Lyndon B. Johnson would sign the Civil Rights Act of 1964. So, for most White Americans the Civil Rights movement began in the 50’s. For Black Americans it began in 1863.
The 9 people murdered a few weeks ago in the South Carolina AME church was another one of those moments in U.S. history. It was a moment where upstanding White Americans nationwide for the first time, saw and understood, got involved and helped to bring about well overdue change that Black Americans could have never brought about in another 50 years of appealing and pleading with local and state governments in those southern states.
A principal tenet of the Civil War, which began in 1861 was about abolishing slavery. The war ended in 1865 and the United States of America won. The American Revolution started in 1763 and ended 1783 and The United States of America won that war. As a result we do not allow a British flag to fly over any American capital or memorial to remember all of the brave British soldiers that fought that war and died. If you are still arguing the point for the right of a confederate flag to fly or memorials of Southern generals on state grounds 150 years after the United States of America won that war by defeating a group of states committed to the institution of human slavery, the problem may not be history, but racial.
this is insulting but not as insulting as removing statues of rebel generals and renaming schools to keep people from being triggered
The Civil War wasn't all about slavery, yes that was a large reason, but not the only one. I've never been a fan of people flying the Confederate Flag, but banning it feels like it's denying freedom of speech.
I'm from the south. Not everyone in the south are for the confederate flag. Lots of people don't like it.
I live in SC and sure the Confederate Flag WAS a symbol of racism but it's also a symbol of history and I'm against ANY censoring of history!!! What's next, tear the pages out of the history books or quit teaching about the Civil War in school?
What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America?
A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery.
In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.
A key issue was states' rights.
The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.
Another factor was territorial expansion.
The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone.
Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states, was gaining prominence.
The election of a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, as President in 1860 sealed the deal. His victory, without a single Southern electoral vote, was a clear signal to the Southern states that they had lost all influence.
Feeling excluded from the political system, they turned to the only alternative they believed was left to them: secession, a political decision that led directly to war.
I'm as liberal as most people can get, but I think the confederate flag is protected under our first amendment. We can't take it down just because we don't like it. It also serves to identify people who are racists so I can avoid them. So let them keep it. Taking down the flag will not get rid of racism.
The confederate flag isnt racist, its heritage
Don't complain that It isn't heritage if your not from the South.
@@LifeWithKovi same
You're probably one of those people who thinks the civil war was about slavery, aren't you?
Later on in the war it was dumbass and then the flag was used for segregation
I'll fly the American flag because I'm PROUD to be an American... A real, American.
It's disingenuous to leave out the fact that the flag in question (the exact design) was adopted as the confederate battle flag during the war. You instead imply that it was an invention of racists later. It's even called out in quotes you use as the "battle flag".
It stands for the honor of those who died for their country long live the confederacy. They died fighting for their homes and rights. The Confederacy never fought for slavery only to make the choice on their own not to be forced to give up Hired farm help. Also the Virginia battle flag is more of units battle gps to his unit a symbol that will live forever.
The flag "we know" is the Confederate battle flag and Confederate Navy Jack. It is a real flag used by the Confederate Army. You, sir... are wrong.
Although confederate soldiers fought for the sake of maintaining slavery in the south, many of them were poor, non-slave owning southern citizens, drafted unwillingly. Although many fought for the sole purpose of maintain slavery it is important to keep in mind those who innocently fought for the safety of their own families and homes while rich plantation owners sat in their mansions. Not all confederate soldiers were horrible people and in some way those people deserve to be honored.
I've seen the clashes at the SC state capital, and I cannot help but notice that the opponents of the flag are FAAAAAARRRR more cocky, arrogant, vulgur, rude, and just outright despicable (as people in general) than the supporters of the flag ever thought about being. In addition, the protestors all seemed alot more elated (hysterical in fact) by the removal of the flag than they ever seemed truly grieved and distraught over the nine victims who got killed.
Here is who fought at the battle of the Wilderness under the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and one may see why so many people in the south identify with it, especially if they had relatives who fought in it. This battle initiates the beginning the Overland Campaign and of trench warfare. It was a horrific bloodbath for both sides that got worse over the ensuing battles at Spotsylvania Court House, North Anna River and Cold Harbor. This is an abbreviate list without unit #s or brigades totaling about 62,000 troops ranging from almost all southern states and suffering approximately 11,000 casualties. They were up against Grant's Union Army of over 100,000 men who suffered approximately 18,000 casualties. The Army of Northern Virginia was basically outmanned 2-1 in almost every battle they fought yet for the most part stymied the North.
1st Army Corp under Longstreet: South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, Texas, Alabama, North Carolina, Virginia, and Louisiana
2nd Army Corp under Ewell: Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama
3rd Army Corp under Hill: Alabama, Virginia, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Louisiana
Calvary Corp under Stuart: Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Virginia, and North Carolina