Qualcomm Takes on Apple: The Battle For Chip Speed
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- In this episode we dive into the how Qualcomm is looking to be a new challenger to both Apple and Intel. This was thanks in part to a purchase of the firm Nuvia in 2021 made from ex-Apple engineers.
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Had to re-upload due to an editing error, there was 20 seconds of black screen for some reason so apologies for that. Enjoy!
Nooooo! I liked the black screen, I used it to reflect on myself. 😭
Thought that was an aesthetic choice :D
Thought it was my phone and service thing connection trying to play catch-up
Yeah lol, first 10 seconds I thought it was a dramatic pause. Later after another 10 seconds I thought there was some glitch in RUclips
I've literally witnessed it in real time as the previous video got privated 😂😂😂.
The CPU war we expected: Intel vs AMD
The CPU war we got: Apple vs Qualcomm
What an era we are living in
Seems like just yesterday when AMD was finally putting up an exciting fight against Intel and now there's already a new fight!
@@ricardocruz4235 it really does. boy does time fly fast!
Arm is just better as x86, less consumption at same speed, it’s just another league…
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@@lateone12 For now, yes. But pretty sure companies will develop ARM CPUs for servers too. Even one of the fastest supercomputers in the world, Fugaku, is using ARM CPU. Who to say that servers will not shift to ARM CPU too?
this sort of competition is always good for the consumer. Great to have another player in the ring.
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@Dagogo, thank you very much for this quick reaction. I was watching Gary Explains latest since the Qualcomm takeover. George Hotz does not like Qualcomm. But it's a leader in their area. They also have good access to TSMC manufacturing.
Apple got a competitor. Maybe their products will get a little cheaper. Intel could be in very big trouble. Maybe Windows is also becoming the looser as there is Linux on Desktops. But whats about old windows software?
@@bmo3778the more the better but how many companies you think can exist that design chips? There's huge barriers to entry technologically and financially
Apple dosen't give shit about competition.
Hope many more start making their own chips. (Samsung take a hint)
The success of Qualcomm is going to depend on how much Microsoft, or a joint effort can improve emulation. Apple had a very good emulator out of the gate while they transititioned.
yeah the importance of rosetta cant really be understated. Nobody is going to want to switch if it's going to be a finicky mess to get work done.
@@duran9664I mean if it's in a laptop or phone which is what it's designed for idk why they would care. AI isn't yet an everyman problem to where consumer hardware needs to be good at it imo
You can emulate x86? Apple’s m chips emulate x86 so you can run x86 programs on an m chip mac?
This is true. Apple does everything in house so that can give em an edge but I love that there is competition
@@wizcombo yup. Competition is good for the consumer
I'm sure Qualcomns partners will have no problem making it feel like a Celeron chip from 2006.
Now Microsoft MUST make their own Rosetta though, for this to work. The problem with Windows on ARM is retrocompatibility. Without programs no one will move to ARM, and devs won't either, making this problem worse and worse over time
They do already have x64 emulation like Rosetta but it's not as performant as Rosetta at least on the current 8cx laptops unless u mean they need to make a faster emulation
@@sbrader97 yeah I know, but seems far from the optimization that Rosetta has (also stability was bad). And that's also because apple chips include some instructions specifically tailored for Rosetta. I'm afraid it's needed to have a qualcomm processor really tailored for that instead that just a "collaboration" that is more like an exclusivity deal
@@piereligiodisantethese Qualcomm chips are made for Windows tho. The CEO said this during the presentation many times.
And that's why I think MS regrets giving up on Windows Phone so quickly. Yes, there was the business argument about the adoption of IOS and Android. But long-term, by giving up on mobile, they forfeited a seat at the table in developing chips. And this is a company that makes and sells hardware and underlying software (Xbox, DirectX). They have a lot of catching up to do.
Windows on Arm working as well as M1/M2 Macs would be the dream. Coming from a lifelong windows user who switched to a M1 Mac two years ago and love every bit of it except I still wish it runs windows
The advancing of technology never ceases to amaze me. Simply incredible.
You're right; this is good for the consumers. The competition game is based on who or which company can deliver what is best and consume less. It's all about innovation guys. Let the show continue and for sure I'll stay tuned.
Regardless of what side you're on, competition is great for consumers
Why take a side? Just go for whoever supports the consumer the most during the current competition.
Yeah, why take side? It is just a tool. Fanatism is not good
Well to have competition we would need hardware to run on this chip.
There’s really no need to take a side. Use whatever product that is best for your individual needs and workflow requirements that is supported by whichever software ecosystem you work in. This kind of competition is what drives innovation, acting as a catalyst for breakthrough developments and helping to keep prices reasonable while remaining economically beneficial to the consumer without sacrificing performance.
It's not competition - it's more power being added to devices that you probably don't need, but Microsoft, Apple and Google do need to run more privacy-stealing and monitoring applications in the background on the devices that you pay for just to track more and more of what you are doing.
Its funny all these companies had talent to design efficient chips but never did until Apple did. Most of them were chasing benchmarks but never thought laptops can be used without spinning a fan.
basically they dont fix whats not broken principle.
It's like Apple having the ability to use usb c on their magic mouse and keyboard but still uses lighting, same story with the iphone they pretended like usb c never existed until they were forced to use it. I guess it's the principle mentioned above.
Yeah, hats off to you sir and Apple. I bet this video won’t age well.
Many have designed it but no one wants to use it due to monopoly and propaganda by Intel with its x86. ARM for long time was considered as lesser chip. In fact it's not. I have been using ARM chip to power up my application in AWS long before Apple releases its chip.
@@agprimeor they thought that it is nice to collect the MFI fees
Well done! I have been waiting for this video since 31st of Oct! 🙌
I like this battle of the chips so much and great video ColdFusion :]
Hard to say for sure right now that Qualcomm is outpacing Apple. Apple is selling M3 Powered Macbooks right now while Qualcomm is still pretty much selling a “promise”. By the time retail devices/laptops containing the Elites come out, the M4 will be knocking on their doors. And we still have the issue of poor Windows on ARM optimization and the difficult task of convincing developers to switch away from x86. Microsoft has been trying for more than a decade to make Windows an ARM a viable alternative but they still haven’t gotten it off the ground. I’m not holding my breath on this one.
this💯, these benchmarks are all great and all but your point is right windows still is shit when it comes to arm chips by the time they figure all that out apple will just keep their lead 🤷♂️
Yes, and this is the problem with this report. It doesn't put Apple's launch schedule into context. The fact that Apple already has the M4 underway, but has a planned launch for a year or so after the M3 release. Qualcomm on the other hand has an incentive to rush the announcement of the Elite due gather the positive press. Anybody objective can see that Apple has not (yet) been overtaken by Qualcomm.
But the performance and efficiency enough for current workloads
Qualcomm has just entered might never know they might outperform in Laptop segment, with later more new laptop chips, by the time M4 or M5 comes
Personal opinion, Apple don't do much innovation on mobile segment atleast, giving almost similar products with new name and more price. So hoping may be Qualcomm can also create its own promising ecosystem of tech in mobile laptop and IOT domain
The problem with Qualcomm's new chips is that they aren't in any devices right now. So, even IF Qualcomm has a benchmark chart stating this or that, Apple's chips are in devices that people have in their hands today. People are getting real world benefits that I don't think we'll see with Qualcomm chips until Windows catches up in the ARM software conversion department. Qualcomm isn't really outpacing anyone here and Windows is late af to the ARM game.
Plus the M3 Max still beats out the X Elite in multicore while only using 60 watts of power and the X Elite BARELY beats M3 Max in single core.
@@CandyMan2001no doubt, and don't get me wrong, I think more competition will be awesome in due time. Love or hate Apple, they definitely have the upper hand by being very early to the ARM game and aren't really being beat by anyone atm.
@@isnull_or_emptyApple fan boy
@@LinuxAndroid86it’s facts tho..
@@CandyMan2001 Except it's not their first attempt. Snapdragon has made ARM chips for PCs before and they were horrible.
Been watching your videos for years now. Always great and easy to interput.
I just finished watching your video entitled "The Rise and Stagnation of IBM". You should do a video about how RCA was almost destroyed back in the 1970's when it's head office decided that they were going to go toe-to-toe with IBM in the computer market, a market which RCA had never even had a presence in and had no expertise in.
Outpaced? Man, Qualcomm's new chip hasn't been even shipped yet.
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I'm working in the cloud industry and we are seeing also an big increase of ARM-based processors for servers usage. Amazon has already his arm-based processors who are used inside theirs data centers. But i think that RISC-V is completely underated right now.
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Lower power draw without sacrificing speed and performance was always the Holy Grail...lower power consumption with greatly improved speed and performance equaling longer life and less battery as described here sets a new standard. So what's beyond the NEW Holy Grail. Yikes this is exciting stuff! Great job as usual CF!
So you can't just carry a spare battery or two with you? Oh, wait, I forgot - laptop and phone manufacturers have taken away your capability of simply swapping a discharged battery for a charged one anyway, given that just about every new device now has the battery internalised.
Isn't that therefore just them creating a problem and then selling you a solution to that problem?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I agree that making batteries non-replaceable is scummy and creates a problem, but faster and more efficient processing is a good thing regardless. Would you rather have a slow and/or power-hungry machine with swappable batteries, or a faster and/or more efficient one with swappable batteries?
@@ricardocruz4235 "I agree that making batteries non-replaceable is scummy and creates a problem"
Whether or not you agree with me is immaterial - for me it is a major problem which will turn me off buying such a device completely.
"but faster and more efficient processing is a good thing regardless."
If you are running bloated and privacy-hating operating systems like Windows or MacOS then, yes, you need all the CPU power and RAM you can get for all of those "background processes" running on them.
"Would you rather have a slow and/or power-hungry machine"
I don't have slow machines. I am engineer and I can build Linux to run on just about anything - I just spec the hardware to do a job it needs to do, it can be really old hardware too because not everything I build has to connect to the web or play RUclips videos. I work out what it needs to do and go from there.
For example, I have a Thinkpad T22 laptop with a Pentium III CPU and 512MB RAM from 2002 running Gentoo Linux that I still use weekly because it has a great keyboard and I can write scripts on it while SSH'ed into my home server, have emails open on a second virtual desktop and have a music player on a third desktop, with overhead left for a few other things. It's a great way to do my computing with no distractions.
If your machine is slow then that's you and your lack of knowledge not using the right machine for the job. Maybe be less of a "magpie" attracted by shiny objects and think about what you're actually buying a bit more.
As for "power hungry"? My expertise with computers, servers and Linux pays me a good salary and I don't waste money on brand new hardware that depreciates in value by 50% the moment you take it out the box. I am not particularly worried about a few watts here and there, I can afford it.
"with swappable batteries, or a faster and/or more efficient one with swappable batteries?"
I'll take the swappable batteries any time - because they are usually cheap enough to carry around a spare or two if I need them.
@@terrydaktyllus1320there is actually a massive international case that would have phone makers go back to a removable battery standard.
A real deal case that might happen.
@@acardenasjr1340 Let's wait and see on that then - but I still have an issue with any products running proprietary OSes like MacOS, iOS, Windows or Google Android.
Great video as always, would only advise you to use some de-essor software for your recordings and EQ those higher vocal frequency.
Can't wait to see where this new competition will take us in the XR industry. The power efficiency of those new chips is really something else.
Considering how much power the last few generations of AMD and Intel chips have been consuming... This is very welcome news!!
you mean intel? AMD consume way less power than intel amd only need 65w tdp intel need 140w tdp
@@potatorigs2155 i have Ryzen 5 5600G and after startup it consume 15-25W
The Qualcomm announcement was a paper launch (concerning Snapdragon X Elite) while the Apple "answer" was not. Snapdragon X Elite is already losing to the M3 family when we consider both power consumption and performance, and next year Apple will probably launch, not just announce, the M4 family. I'm not surprised, but I want more competition against Apple, that's the best way to make Apple do an even more excellent job in their chips.
They are good enough for general purpose
lol 😅 knew it wouldn’t take long to find someone sweating 🍎 🥜
@@MrMadvillanhold on, he said he wants competition, what you mean by this. 😂
Hi Tim Apple......😅😅😅😅. Stop lying, you damn sure don't want competition, you're simply coping.
@@MrMadvillanHow did it take so long for you to find yourself?
Let’s goooo!!!! This is definitely a game changer! Love the competition 🔥 💪
Thanks for the recap on the latest tech
As a embedded software engineer who works very close to the metal predominately on ARM chips, this is very awesome news. This performance will spill over to other stuff in the coming years. So i dont have to insert assembly code here and there.
ARM is really a variant of RISC "reduced instruction set computer" and x86 is CISC or "complex instruction set computer." Also Raptor Lake is Intel...
Not sure that you understand how x86 chips work these days... They are more risc than cisc.. there are really risc chips with basically a built in decompiler that translates the x86 instructions to what the core can really understand.. not risc exactly but the cores actually run on a reduced instruction set..
No, your thinking of Intel's x86s and that is not all what it's doing, it's removing 16 Real Mode and 32b Rings and some other legacy instructions. simplifying the current x86 , yes but not anything similar to RISC. Tenstorrent is doing a lot of cool things with RISC-V with Jim Keller leading the way. I'm working on native app support for Windows 11 ARM currently.
And?
Does he have an accent? Can't see it...
Yeah and there is no reason why any modern application wouldn’t work on arm if written for it so it’s a moot point
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This video feels very presumptious when we haven't seen these chips in the real world, and the most favourable comparisons from qualcomm are not the M series chips on their native platform.
Given Qualcomm is the leading Android chip nowadays. I highly doubt they're only talking bubbles. I'm definitely hyped for future more reliable computers. Since, I'm a computer guy and I work and play on it often. This is a total W
@@1mban3zzget ready to practice with a heat gun since all that ram and ssd will be soldered on the motherboard.
Yeah this video is nonsense.
@@xeong5 do you understand how DDR5L works?
It does feel presumptions but for other reasons, we already have seen these chips being used practically, Qualcomm already released demos for people to use in more than one public presentation.
We just haven't seen them commercially probably because they first need to be implemented in actual computers that then need to be sold, the thing is that Qualcomm doesn't own a platform on its own to release their product, and for what we know atm the only large brand that is planning to use them in the near future is HP with it's Omen subd.
I just hope everything goes to plan, ARM based development needs competition.
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I'd love to see your thoughts on the future of RISC-V architecture
It's been dragging for so long that I'm losing hope…
Low level embedded stuff only. They thought they could gazump arm and present themselves as an alternative before everyone chased after Apple. It didn't work this market cycle, I would expect more application cores in 3/4 years but ARM acquiring raspberry pi and getting on the board is a very offensive move by them, and they have a LOT of cash to spend on killing Risc-V
@@ivermektin6874 "Low level embedded stuff only."
Early days only too.
"They thought they could gazump arm and present themselves as an alternative before everyone chased after Apple."
You've just contradicted yourself because in your first sentence you implied that you know these are the early days of RISC and yet you've also stated they tried to gazump ARM (note the capitalisation, it being an acronym). It can't be both simultaneously, surely?
"It didn't work this market cycle,"
Do you mean, this initial "first generation market cycle" that you acknowledged in your first senctence? So you've flipped once again to admitting it's early days for RISC?
" I would expect more application cores in 3/4 years"
Wow! Given that's been the trend of CPUs in the past 15 years or so, then "well done, Nostradamus" for predicting that one.
"but ARM acquiring raspberry pi and getting on the board is a very offensive move by them"
No, they haven't acquired Raspberry Pi, they have invested in the Pi Foundation. How do you think the Pi Foundation got off the ground in the first place without money from backers who wanted to have cheap computing boards available for industry and education?
"and they have a LOT of cash to spend on killing Risc-V"
Weren't we told that ARM was going to be the death of Intel years ago?
My friend, I'm just an engineer who can build Linux on just about any platform I need to and I've already got more than enough choice when it comes to what platforms I can use when I build my systems and solutions. RISC-V to me is just another interesting platform that might be usable for me in the future, but I've done without it up to this point so whether it lives or dies makes no great odds to me or what I do.
But I had to interject here because you're clearly just a fanboy trying to hide rampany fanboy-ism behind what you think are reasoned points that I can just tear apart in an instant.
Just be a fanboy and true to yourself.
Qualcomm also said their new chipsets can run generative AI tasks on-device and that's a huge step as well.
Only if you need AI.
@@terrydaktyllus1320everything is gonna use AI
@@drabberfrog Sure, if you give up using your brain and thinking for yourself... your choice, not mine.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 AI is the reason why you even watched this video, when you Google something AI decides the results of the search, when you want to navigate somewhere AI figures out the best route, logistics companies use AI to find the most efficient way to move packages, AI is everywhere and you interact with it whether you think about it or not. This is as silly as someone in the 1970s saying computers aren't going to be a big deal because you can just use your brain.
@@drabberfrog "AI is the reason why you even watched this video"
You've never met me, you have no idea why I watched the video. So put those "amateur Internet psychologist" books down, try to keep up and stay on topic. This is not a discussion about me.
"hen you Google something AI decides the results of the search"
Correct, and then my brain ("real and fleshy intelligence") filters those results better, or initiates a more refined search, because I don't have time to review every single result.
"when you want to navigate somewhere AI figures out the best route"
Not if I know the area in which I am driving my car - are you suggesting that everyone operates car navigation for every journey they make? Or do factors like intuition and memory come into play? (e.g. "I'm not taking that route at 5pm on a Friday because I know traffic will be heavy.")
"logistics companies use AI to find the most efficient way to move packages"
Yes, you used the words yourself - "MOST EFFICIENT". But companies have been successfully moving packaged for hundreds of years, long before AI. And my brain can still override it and, for example, say "Please deliver the package on Friday because I won't be home on Thursday" despite AI wanting to deliver it as efficiently as possible.
"AI is everywhere and you interact with it whether you think about it or not."
Yes, but my brain still overrides it or improves AI results as I have demonstrated above. My brain currently rules AI and that is a situation I intend to keep in place for as long as possible, mainly because I am not a lazy person.
"This is as silly as someone in the 1970s saying computers aren't going to be a big deal because you can just use your brain."
I was using programming computers as far back as 1982 and in senior education during the 1970s and I do not recall anyone ever saying that. If anything, people were fascinated by computers and electronic calculators back then. So you're talking nonsense.
flippen AWESOME journey! Thank you for taking me along
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I've enjoyed the M2pro chip, and I just have no big complains bout it, I basically used for dev tasks and for some "steam games", and It responded quite good. I Think the problem for the end-user wont be the chip "perse" but the OS, windows has a big bag full of heavy stones wich results in the lack of performance; linux started to take the new hardware architectures pretty more serious and think this OS will be the first one in achieve to take full advantage of the new chips, Oh boy, I cannot wait to set my hands on this new pz of art =3
If software support is perfectly or at least sufficiently on point then we'll very likely see the next computing revolution alongside the ai revolution,which would be extremely interesting to see unfold
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Fascinating insights - I hope the chips are affordable, and able to keep up with demand.
The world's about to get a whole lot faster!
Not sure so about this, comparing my 8 years old laptop and smartphone, they started faster than the new versions, that are much more powerful if you only look at the specs...
Heavier OS and softwares, larger files, different displays, not sure what is the exact cause, but usability is not better.
Other issue, Thunderbolt 4 ports are NOT fully compatible with previous USB hubs, and the new docks are 10 x more expensive.
The competition for pure performance is about marketing, selling new models to replace what was working, most people don't need that...
@@DR_1_1 Absolutely, and thank you for being another person like me that thinks like an engineer.
It really doesn't matter about these constant speed upgrades if what you run currently also runs efficiently on an older platform.
Everyone here talks about "it's great for consumers" and they are entirely correct - because in the world of computing, a "consumer" is someone that is just caught in a constant upgrade cycle that just buys more and more power for heavier operating systems that are just getting heavier and heavier because they are doing more stuff in the background to compromise your privacy and steal all of your data.
Apple changed the game with the M1 by adopting RISC. But it was really only a matter of time until Qualcomm caught up. Apple still has the lead right now, but it's shrinking FAST.
Thanks for covering this!
The line from Hackers 1995 comes to mind “RISC IS GOOD”
How can this man crank latest news videos so quickly yet so quality
As an Apple fan, I think this is great! It will push Apple and other manufacturers to make their best even better erevrytime!
I wonder how other things like GPU, Neural Engine/AI and shared memory will be handeld by Qualcomm.
Absolutely, got to keep you Apple kiddies in that yearly upgrade cycle just because you have too much disposable income...
I think application optimization still plays a role in picking apple vs qual/amd/intel/nvidia. I've always preferred pc/android, but I'm astonished at how well adobe softwares run even on older intel macs. I wish the optimization is better on windows because it will be very easy to pick them over macs, but until then, power/benchmark numbers still doesnt make the decision any easier between mac/pc for creative softwares.
It literally cant be. It's the same problem for Android. Those devices have to run on effectively limitless combinations of hardware which means testing/validation and hyper optimisation are just not feasible. Even when they used intel, Macs had about 5 different processor options all on effectively the same architecture.
It's called long tail and it allows them to capture the widest possible market, but obviously ends up losing out on optimisation
It’s a very good point. Hardware performance isn’t the end all be all. Have to get buy in from folks making the software
@@sammorrissey9094that’s a really good point. My assumption would be that the power consumption would be the largest variable factor (higher consumption for lesser optimized devices for the same performance). In reality ARM CPUs just need to have better performance for the same power draw or same performance for a lower power draw than X86 chips - which I think it does. Probably the biggest factor in success is the software support, Microsoft would need to really push it in that aspect if arm based CPUs need to take off.
You sound like a "gamer"
I wonder how apps, software, and windows os will handle the transition to arm. Probably will be a very bumpy road, but one worth taking hopefully.
Who says Windows is transitioning?
This is the RISC versions of Windows from the 90s all over again.
One of your best! And it doesn’t have 20s of black screen anymore so waheyyyy
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correction: Raptor lake is an Intel architecture, not AMD
"The crowd was chattering amongst themseleves"...then pans across a row of people all scrolling their phones. Lol.
Glad to see Qualcomm coming up with something competitive. They have been pushed in a corner since companies started designing their own Arm chips.
Not expecting much from Meteor Lake. I'm more curious to see where Intel ends up when Lunar Lake comes around. That said, I'm very excited for the SD Elite X CPU and if Microsoft can improve emulation, I very well may try one out sooner rather than later.
As usual, top quality content
I just hope optimized apps and games for this can catch up.
Catch up? Only primitive software runs single threaded these days. You've been scammed.
So like the Minecraft game not supporting multithreading? @@theMaster...
@@theMaster... While it's true that modern software often takes advantage of multi-threading for enhanced performance, it's essential to remember that many applications and games are still in the process of optimizing for new technologies.
If they are already optimized, why do they need to catch up?
@@terrydaktyllus1320 coz its arm
The drop in power to match performance is unbelievable, like actually. I want this chip to get into consumer hands for 3rd party verification of these claims. Love it!
relax, big companies can't lie on shit like this.
Bro your videos are amazing.
As a guy in the information field, I see massive untapped potential for ARM. I believe we will see incredible innovation in computing in the next few decades, and I believe ARM and other SOC's are going to see some significant and unprecedented technological advancements in this time. ARM has a very bright future, and I am all here for it.
I agree and I think we’re seeing it already! As I dabble in stuff like Raspberry Pi’s and other small devices, I’m finding that ARM chips are everywhere because they’re incredibly flexible, powerful and handy
CPU improvement in the past couple years is amazing
It will be interesting to see how much of the speed advantage comes from pure hardware and whether or not fine-tuning the OS has any effect.
Is there any word on the power efficiency of the Qualcomm chips or are they focusing on horsepower?
A very good question. Found it a little odd that Qualcomm didn’t allow people/dev/journalist to go hands on with the reference models at the demo 🤨
Oh boy, this has got me excited. Because of the low power consumption, I am looking forward to the ARM to be accepted as the general gaming chip for PC(s).
Currently running R5 3500X and looking forward to R5 5700X... =)
Another awesome video. love your work.
Qualcomm never stops surprising me. From CDMA, LTE and 5G, it's hard to say that they are not poised to become a major industry player for cpus in the next ten years.
As someone who works in Android / Mobile Development I expected it coming. Modern Smartphones are really powerful. The problem wasn't qualcomm but Microsoft Windows whose ARM support was not good until now.
One more thing I think is important to mention is that even though qualcomm has really impressed in terms of CPU performance, they still lack in GPU
Windows performance sucks on X86 too, most Intel powered laptops are just heaters fan heaters once all the bloatware companies put on them starts running.
@@ivermektin6874 yup agreed 👍
Windows has become really bloated recently.
this is good. I was planning on upgrading my laptop to one of liquid cooled ones by eluktronics. i'll hold out for another year or so
Nothing drives innovation more than good old competition. Never let them convince you that consolidation will make things better, consolidation only reduces competition and lets big companies rest on their laurels with gradual year after year improvements.
As I said on the original post, Apple won’t be outpaced any time soon. Qualcomm making such a chip is impressive in itself, but means very little when the optimization on Windows for it just isn’t there.
I’ve seen benchmark results and it beats only the base M3. And losses to both Pro and Max. Not to mention we don’t even have the ultra variant yet either, and that is bound to be a monster. Furthermore, for Qualcomm to win in single core performance, it had to be pushed to 80W. And even then, it barely comes out on top.
In the end, I do like competition in the market, but it’ll take a lot for others to catch up to where Apple is at. Especially when it comes to efficiency. Future competition would only push Apple into further developing the Silicon chips. As by the time competitors release their flagship chip, promising it would outperform Silicon, Apple would be knocking at their door with their own.
Coping by apple bois at it's best
Ain’t coping when it’s true.
That's called... Competition. Welcome to capitalism.
I've read that Apple moved up the release of M3 to specifically counter the Qualcomm announcement. This is a first gen product that almost certainly has lots of room for improvement, so I wouldn't just blanket assume that Apple can or will out develop the competition. Also, the bulk of Apple silicon sales are the base model, so for most people the fact that proi, max, and ultra are faster doesn't mean much
❌This doesn’t matter as long as we r still unable to solve for the true bottleneck, which is the busing between the processing & storage/memories❌Ai needs to access huge amount of data at once to deliver for its promise 🤏
M3 Max is available now, not next year, and once Snapdragon X Elite is out, Apple probably has something even faster about to be done cooking too.
Very unlikely they’ll have another better chip coming in the same generation, but this is a huge catch up for Windows in terms of performance and efficiency, only if Microsoft wanted to.
But i think price tag of Qualcomm cpu is going to be way affordable than macbook so it doesn't matter if you are year behind or not there is going to be marginalised difference between the performances
But it’s not like they are going to wait till the x elite comes out and start working on a new one. They are mostly likely already working on the next versions as well. So yes the M4 might be faster then the x elite but the year after that is yet to been seen. Also they might release a 120 watt version what will be similar to the m4 in performance.
M3 is available now and what can you do with it? I tried installing Linux on M2 and while it runs a benchmark program very fast, the fact remains that the Linux distribution is in an alpha state.
@@LMB222 I think if you want to do emulation and so, you should not buy a arm CPU any time soon.
It’s not emulation but rather Apple locking down their system to not allow Linux on arm to exist. Qualcomm uses stock ARM which should not force devs to reverse engineer all the drivers like they do for Apple.
at 8:09, M3 (8cores) can actually go up to 3198 at single core and 12034 and for M3 max (12cores - on par with 12core X Elite), it's 3228 and 21560 for multicore.
While the Fairchild Semiconductor link to Intel is a similar event, there is one that is much more similar. That would be when Apple purchased PA Semi and used them to produce their Ax Series of chips. They saw what they did with their PWRficient PowerPC processors, bought the company and pivoted them into the ARM space.
I bought discounted Surface pro x running on SQ2 ARM cpu with W11 last week and I am surprised how well it runs. I installed all software that I used on X86 machines without any issues - for browsing internet, working in M$ Office and other 'light' tasks it is already good enough in my opinion. X64 emulation works for me so far, I only noticed that it takes couple of seconds longer when launching emulated software, once it runs it is ok.
well its amazing as we will get full compatibility of most apps. or at least they would be super easy to port. thats great news for both camps. and for software developers too. btw i think apple suspected that to happen and they was betting on the compatibility problems will soon be vanished as everything will be arm. and as they knew that, they propbly still have things in their sleeve
More competition!! More innovation ❤️❤️❤️
Something odd: The table at 8:11 shows that 23W and 80W were measured on different platforms (Win/Linux). Does this affect the performance measurement? And why are you repeating some scenes in the video? (e.g. "take a photo" and "these companies will use the chip"). Besides that, great video 😀
Real fans know this is a reupload.
yes but still a very welcome one at that. I forgot bout this one
Yeah, but when one is 79 years old, one starts to question one’s memory 😊
One thing that always be a great issue in ARM adoption is software support. Apple does the transition very well with Rosetta while Windows ARM is still falling far behind. If Windows ARM software support getting better, I think the Apple user will take the advantage, too. Above all, anyway, a competition is always good for consumer.
Why is everyone talking about windows? There's also Linux where such a transition is a banality - and I can't wait to do it.
@@LMB222 Maybe because like 80% of PC users use Windows
@@vujhvjvgvfujk9888 So you only use computers that lots of other people use? So what you mean is that your computer is a "fashion accessory", rather than simply a device for productivity and entertainment used only by you?
Thought about this as well and it's crazy no one is talking about it. If Windows ARM become a real thing and developers start developing their games and software to run on ARM too as there would be a great demand for it, they just need to port it to MacOS. Specially games, which is something that the Macs can run but simply doesn't have many games to run as there is almost no incentive for developers to port the games to ARM right now. Yes there is Rosetta, but native support is always better. Will be exciting to see all the benefits for all the sides.
What farming level do I need to plant Snapdragon X Elites? I'm still running on mere harralanders
I have an m2 pro macbook pro and I love how silent and cool it is while being very smooth in everything I throw at it. One of the big success enablers, though, is the rosetta 2.0, which enabled x86 mac apps to run on the apple silicon - it is very efficient. How does such compatibility layer on Windows perform in comparison?
Exactly
25-80W is such a huge jump for so little performance boost. I wish it was marketed as more efficient rather than faster.
~25W is most likely the power it was designed for and 80W is what it used when they pushed it close to its limit. It's very common to pull massive amounts of power to get a few extra percent at the top end of overclocking. So they're primarily marketing and enthusiast number.
Fun fact: Switching Windows to ARM (if Microsoft wil ever get its act together, that is) with this new chip will again help Apple, because then game developers will also have to develop their software for ARM, which will make porting to macOS much easier ...
Game developers don't write assembler. In the very few spots they do, it's easily swapped out for another instruction set. The barrier is higher level interfaces, such as DirectX, and of course all the OS and kernel calls. Nobody targets hardware, because there are far too many variants and configurations out there, and they change too quickly.
@@mariusvanc Ok, so it doesn't get easier to port to macOS?
@@hape3862Until recently Apple was using x86. Was it any easier then?
idk, you can play Genshin Impact on M series powered iPad Pro, but somehow you can't play it on Mac?
Sorry, that's nonsense.
Thanks Dagogo!
8:08 - That Linux performance is looking amazing and I'm sure the Open Source devs will be able to do a better job than Microsoft with ARM. I am excited since I am a Linux user doing Machine Learning so this would be great for my workflow.
The fact that they target for 2024 release might have something to do with new windows release. Microsoft may have developed more sophisticated x86 to arm translation layer for the new windows version.
I miss the black screen 😢
Much appreciated,Qualcomm as well as Mediatek offer😊
Thanks DG!
The big issue now is the missing piece that made m1 so successful. Rosetta, emulating x86 processors naively and higher performance than previous gen machines
Love these objective videos. Keep em coming.
lol, objective, sure.
I don’t think Apple has anything to worry about. As their M3 chip can do more with less power and less cores. But, Intel should be shaking in their boots 🥾.
Making a Great Chipset is Easy, The Hardest things to do is integration like apple, Qualcomm are just showing benchmark performance but dont telling the which physical device they are using on other side Apple is Showing real time benchmark on there Latest Laptop.
This is exciting. Not only is it good for non-apple users but as a mixed user (PC, Mac, iPhone/iPad, Sony) I look forwards to innovation from the increased pressure on all brands to stay on top. Especially Apple. They did great stuff, this is a reminder they can't get complacent. Good luck engineers.
Also, 2:35 - until has 1 L :))
Your like LEMMINO of tech, is what i feel watching your videos. that come out 3 TIMES A YEARRRR!!! I demand you capture more of my attention.
I'm just happy that the biggest in the space are sweating, because that can *only* be great for consumers. And I'm happy to see that Lenovo will use the new chip in some of their new products, since I'm budgeting for a new PC now and I have loved the Lenovo's I've had before, so it feels good to hear that they are joining forces with Qualcomm. That makes it more reasonable for me to buy one of their newer laptops, whenever they come out. Two companies I actually do not hate - that makes for a great combination.
another great video, so interesting to see how this all plays out. I’m a mac user but could be led astray if the consumer products that hit the market are comparable to apples lineup.
i doubt they will be tbh, by the time this m2 competitor comes out the M4 will too.
@@Bean_guy2 yes fair point, the premium finish in both hardware and software from apple is hard to replicate but i’m still interested to see what happens, anything to keep innovation moving forward
It's important for ppl to understand that ARM powered Apple over the x86 PC based back in the day before they came back to Intel in a deal while developing their M series for future.
All this is good for us all as consumers.
We are a few short years from reaching 1nm at scale.. Things are going to get interesting for sure
This is great ! I have a M1 laptop from my work and the battery life is amazing. It’s great to see huge improvements because in the end we as consumers all win from this
Not sure so about this, comparing my 8 years old laptop and smartphone, they started faster than the new versions, that are much more powerful if you only look at the specs...
Heavier OS and software, larger files, different displays, not sure what is the exact cause, but usability is not better.
Other issue, Thunderbolt 4 ports are NOT fully compatible with previous USB hubs, and the new docks are 10 x more expensive.
The competition for pure performance is about marketing, most people don't need that...
Great content
Success is arm on laptops mostly now depends on Microsoft making a good emulator for x86 apps. It worked on Mac because of Rosetta. Something like that which is seamless should happen in Microsoft world. Else, we'll be stuck again in the loop where people won't use arm on windows because there are no apps and developers won't make arm apps because there are no users. Rosetta played an undisputed important role in m1 success.