The ULTIMATE Fire Emblem Engage Tier List!!! /w Choops - All Characters Analyzed
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- Not much to say here other than the fact that this is the best and most valid tier list you will ever see for Fire Emblem Engage! Jokes aside, this one was a long one and took forever to edit the audio for so I hope you guys enjoy it and let me know what you think about our terrible opinions in the comments!
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0:00 Intro and Tier List Criteria
4:39 Ranking Starts
2:00:00 Accidental Spoilers, WARNING
2:00:39 Lindon and Saphir
2:03:55 REAL SPOILERS THIS TIME
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Pandreo is absolutely cracked out of his mind. His Bases are Kagetsu level.
Also choop doesen't know that Fortify can replenish your entire engage meter in one go apparently.
Choop literally agreed after he beat the game that Yunaka is better than Zelkov by saying that a unit with Canter will always be better than a unit with better stats.
Very good tier list overall.
Feels like alot of people leave Pandreo and dismiss him as a staff bot, when he's the best magic unit in the game with his massive speed and build. High Priest is the one class he doesnt want to be, both Sage and Magic Knight are great on him.
@@ScarletDevi He's also a ridiculous Griffin Knight.
Totally agree, I've used Pandreo twice now on Maddening and he was one of my strongest carries both times. Don't sleep on Pandreo!! (he's annoying as fuck though, so I get it)
Yeah, since there are only one S staff and we have to donate Elynsia to lvl 5 which is not worthy. It's better to change Pandreo to a Sage, and with his natural staff profiency, he's still get A staves to use Fortify and dish out magic with S tomes. Let Hortensia be the staff bot.
@@khoaha6095 I did High Priest and Sage and he was good as both
16:26 Yunaka doesn't actually need a master seal. Her class goes to 40 and at 21 you can change into anything you want.
That's the problem. You need to wait till 21 to consider reclassing her
@@chillstoneblakeblast3172 how is that a problem? She is already in like the best class in the game.
I adore how aggressive this got. When agreeing, aggressive. When disagreeing, aggressive. Really accurate to how we as players always are lol
anna
"SHE FKIN SUCKS >:("
The way I see the whole Anna Micaiah debacle, is that Micaiah is a privilege you grant to 1 unit to power level them. But the thing is assuming you're doing this, it stops that unit from contributing in any other way besides staff utility.
This is why Jean and Anna are good candidates for Micaiah power leveling, you lose nothing for putting her on them, meanwhile if you wanted to use it for Chloe, or Louis or whoever, you lose out on several valuable turns of combat in order to great sac and aoe Mend.
I feel like the way I see investments in fe changed drastically around the point Mekkah started advocating always stat boosting Jill in RD. In the purposes of tierlists, we actually *can* assume statboosters/investment/etc if that unit has no competition for it, and who are you giving Micaiah thats coming out the other end more powerful than Anna/Jean and was contributing more when they were using Micaiah? All micaiah users are equal, you always full heal, heal at range, etc so whether the user is currently bad or not is irrelevant, but once that units done using her, they're all of a sudden full of exp that lets them snowball.
TL;DR
Micaiah does not care if you are a good or bad unit, if you put micaiah on someone they will always do the same thing, they will heal, and level quickly. So using it on a unit who is *currently* weak isn't actually a big opportunity cost, it fact its really small.
This is not true. The point Chaz was making is that Micaiah can boost up any unit but anyone can get it so it would be better to give it to someone who you are using anyway, like Chloe or Celine. The best user IMO early on if he’s not running Sigurd is Louis because he’s armored which means that he will automatically get the EXP as if he healed everyone due to the armor effect of Great Sacrifice.
@@GaiusTulliusCatallusXXC
But the question is why would you even do that? Chloe is not going to fall off, Louis IS going to fall off, and while I concede Celine, she is a valid recipient, there is nothing that makes Chloe or Louis a better recipient of Micaiah when they either don't struggle to get 1k sp or get exp (Chloe), or do fuck all with it because enemy power creep leaves them in the wayside no matter how much investment you pump into them (Louis).
Someone like Celine, or Anna/Jean are units who make more use of it because they don't effortlessly get the resources they need through raw combat, and they do have genuine payoff in the mid to late game.
@@GaiusTulliusCatallusXXC and know you are proven wrong by the makers of the tier list themselves, as one of their arguments is that they should only funnel resources to units that actively contribute. If you put Micaiah on Louis or Chloe you have a net negative contribution as their combat turns are more valuable than being a staff bot
@@louiesatterwhite3885
I was trying to phrase this as well as you did, thank you
I find it funny that the only reason Louis isn’t great in maddening is because he is too powerful.
CQ syndrom. Louis sucks
He has the Benny problem from fates.
lmaoooo yep
Inferior to Jade in all my playthroughs
@@Zoeila
What are you doing in your playthrough
51:00 for jean even if you don't reclass him he's still a free staff unit and thus has great staff utility, chain guard, and at chapter 12 can hold a line with bounded shield
Yeah Jean makes for a great High Priest/Sage late game and is basically a Framme who snowballs early-game since you don't get many staff users.
@@hatslapper6860 I made him a swordmaster and gave him a levin sword. It’s not the most orthodox build, but it gud.
@@vanilla1749 it might not be the strongest build but it is certainly the drippiest build
What makes him SO much easier to train than the likes of Donnel or Mozu is that he doesn't need to see combat or deal chip damage to level up. He's a staffbot in the first half, and a God of Destruction in the second half.
@@SilverHairedFreak25 plus his personal doubles class growths instead of his own, meaning he's a second seal away from being the best unit of any class you put him on. That's a distinction I didn't see much talk of in this discussion.
This isn't to defend Anna or to say she should be higher, but every time someone says, "you can do that with anyone" I can't help but think in response "do you get the same result with everyone else?"
Edit: to repeat the first part, this isn’t about Anna.
yeah not a good argument
@@salmark9080 I don’t think it’s inherently a bad argument. It makes sense in the right context. I just don’t think it should be the go to every time someone says to give a unit something.
@@absoul112 I think the only one you can really compare Anna to is Jean, but I feel that she's better than him b/c she starts at lvl 5 which means less grinding with Michiah. Also she's a backup unit so she can do chip dmg with chain atks. It's much easier to get her to lvl 10 with her than with Jean, especially if you do her paralouge before Jean. Less grinding with Anna means your able to funnel more xp to your other units like Chloe/Alear. Also as a Sage both of them have the same 80% mag growth but she has the higher spd growth at 50% compared to Jean's 40% which will make her faster in the long run.
jean and anna start working as soon as you reclass them so the argument of units that are already contribuing is also dumb xD.
I honestly didn't get the point of them saying that with clam, fram, and van. Sure certain units can be better than them if they're reclassed or equipped with certain rings, but you could make the same argument for how these three can become your best units if you do those exact things, but for them. Plus it won't happen all the time, but I find myself getting way more use out of their personals than other units. If I'm always deploying Alear, then why not always deploy the divine dragon fan club to fight by his side?
Choops really said "I put Anna in Warrior with no magic modifiers for multiple levels and then I put her in Mage Knight and she wasn't instantly killing everything 😡" and didn't see the problem. Especially in maddening a 50% magic growth vs a 85% magic growth is a big deal
IMO, you honed the best way to rate a character is with one criteria, ie. "How much easier is the game if you choose to use character X." That's how I've always done it, it includes basically every possible criteria by default. The only time it breaks down is if a game has a map with a really low ally count (Lyn is the only unit in her prologue so *technically* the game is impossible without her), but, no system is perfect.
That's how a lot of people have done it basically I thought. It's like how Mekkah's newer tier list format is basically unit feel, which is how I took away from tier lists.
You know a engage list is scuffed if pandreo is only b
Yeah he is such a fantastic mage that can double any enemy with the highest level tome. He is an easy lock at S
You're right, straight to the F tier we don't howl at the moon and expect positive attention in this army.
Fax
@@orkiso1 he doubles on maddening with magic a lot ? What unit
Well, if you keep Anna on her worst class because of her abysmal strength growth, of course no amount of babying is gonna carry her.
It's clear which one of them has no idea. you can't say Anna isn't worth the payoff if you haven't actually invested in her, eventually he will invest in her and build her correctly in a future run and realize how much of a moron he is.
Kinda funny that Anna with tiki exp bonus on warrior still ends up becoming a pure magic unit because of the radiant bow.
Pandreo B tier? What the heck? He is magic Kagetsu; reclass into mage knight, add + 3 speed and forge him a bolganone. Boom, he can now, and for every chapter, one round basically any enemy. He has insane speed base, and will cap build so no tomes weigh him down
He's male so he sucks
Man so allergic to growth units that he is making every possible excuse to argue that Jean is bad.
Especially when he keeps going on about taking resources away from other characters-man, what characters are you planning to reclass that early in the game? Give Anna a second seal, and she will become your best magic user.
very true
Growth units are terrible in maddening yes
It's a play style delta, personally I enjoy the minor lag involved with growth units. For thr car people It's like a giant turbo when it hits it fucking hits and hard af lol
"Jean does not contribute in any meaningful way"
MOTHERFUCKER, HE IS A *STAFFBOT*
HE CONTRIBUTES _BY DEFAULT_
Choops sounds like a genuine ass broken record whenever he’s talking about a growth unit like holy shit
"She's the worst unit on my team I have her in Warrior"
There you go ladies and gents
Choops in Engage: Celine is the best!
Choops in 3H: Lorenz is awesome!
Turns out Choops's kink is balanced stats.
It will always blow my mind how bad y'all make Jean and Anna sound. Easily some of the best units with no investment. A second seal? who cares
Was this for Maddening and actual gameplay because this is pretty bad ??
It pretty much does seem to be a lower difficulty list. There are a glaring weakness each for Citrinne and Ivy. Citrinne is pretty much wet tissue in enemy phase while Ivy's hitrates are actually pretty inconsistent.
While Clanne may not be deal that nice amount of damage compared to other mages, I actually think he has a better chance than either Ivy or Citrinne later on in maddening. You can make Clanne with a crit build and him being the fastest magic unit in the game means he arguably has a better chance at dealing more damage by doubling and critting than having to rely to deal raw damage alone.
@@ElkaPME I would agree with your assessment of Citrine. She was the unit most susceptible to dying in the midgame as she got doubled by everything not an armored unit.
With Ivy, I used the Byleth engraving to fix her accuracy and susceptibleity to critical hits. Her higher build and speed than Citrine made the weight penalty a non issue.
@@ElkaPMEClanne better than Ivy? Please tell me you’re not being serious…
"How much easier is the game made with this unit?"
Lots of good discussion in this video. Personally, I still like Sigurd on Louis in the late game, a Steel/Silver Greatlance with Override just deletes everything.
Edit: kept watching, confused on A tier Hortensia but B tier Pandreo... especially since they both wished for a staff user with more offense
With Yunaka vs Zelkov I think it's worth noting that the one type of unit that can hit them semi reliably (Mysticals with magic) Yunaka takes those hits a fair bit better than Zelkov because her Res is significantly higher. In basically all other meaningful ways Zelkov outperforms her though.
I been waiting for this since choops mentioned the collaboration on stream, excited to see it. I don't always agree with yall but I love hearing your thoughts.
At IL 35 in an equivalent class, Kagetsu trumps Zelkov in every stat except for build, by pretty significant margins. Zelkov's +10avo personal is completely negated by the fact that Kagetsu will be up 7 spd and 12 luck (that actually works out to a 10 avo advantage for *Kagetsu* on enemy phase). The only advantage Zelkov has is having immediate dagger proficiency but ehh I don't think the midgame maps are tough enough to really need a covert tank for that part of the game. basically if Zelkov is S tier then Kagetsu is easily S+, fr run some calcs on Kagetsu's averages and you will realize that it's beyond nuts to not consider him one of the best units in the game
Heck, when he joins on maddening, Kagetsu will pretty much have better stats than everyone in your army. 17 in strength and multiple stats above 20 is absurd for that point in the game
This is facts kagetsu might be literally the single best character. Swords arent as bad as these two make it seem that you actually have to do anything on him for him to dominate.
Let's say swords are actually a bad weapon class. That would just make Kagetsu's absolute dominance while on a sword-locked class even more amazing.
That said, Leonard, you're giving me ideas... I might play with Kagetsu as a Thief in my next game.
Why not put Kagetsu into Hero? He’ll have a better class skill, comparable stats, and access to Hand Axe or Jav for 1-2 range. I prefer axe Hero. Later, when you get Roy, he’ll have sword 1-2 range and total EP weapon triangle choice due to how Lancereaver works.
@@GaiusTulliusCatallusXXC imo with how insane his stats are, making him a wyvern to max out his mobility is the best choice (and this seems to be what most LTCs lean on). Hero is probably his 2nd best class after that if you don't mind playing a bit slower. Really though no matter what physical class you make him, he's gonna be the best user of that class, maybe with the exception of berserker where he's edged out by Panette.
Anna and Jean are S Tier you guys are Nuts
Bro Pandreo B tier is a crime. He’s got the best mage stats in the game, and if you fully utilize bonded shield, his bulk is functionally very good, which is on a unit with the best offense in the game
Best starting* magic stats. His growths are not that great and Citrinne with Dire Thunder or Mae+Thoron overtakes him easily
Not saying he is bad, as he comes as a prepromote with high bases and no investments needed, but B tier feels about right for him. Also anyone can benefit from bonded shield
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Everyone can benefit from bonded shield but Pandreo can one round on enemy phase with 1-2 range, so he gets the most benefit. Citrinne ain’t doing that with Dire thunder. Also S rank bond rings are cringe in general.
Pandreo has great bases and good growths. If you insta-reclass him to Mage Knight, Pandreo has the best offensive stats out of all mages as Mage Knights (Mag+Spd+Bld). Both immediately (at internal level 15) and in the long term (by internal level 40). His high amount of Spd+Bld in particular is the reason why he's so good because it's basically unmatched, unless you reclass Merrin into Mage Knight, then she's the one that can rival him.
Anyway, Pandreo is easily high to mid A at worst. He's the golden standard for how strong an offensive mage should be. He is somewhat like a Kagetsu for magic units.
Pandreo is the magic Kagetsu. He starts with crazy good bases and after turning him into a mage knight he'll be doubling units though the whole game.
@Carpe Diem citrinne can one round on enemy phase at 3 range with thoron, and has the exact same magic stat as pandreo when promoted to sage, on top of having 15% better mag growth and a lower internal level. And if you don't reclass him out of high priest, Sage Citrinne has 1 higher magic at internal level of 4 lower than Pandreo
Thank you for the tier list! Ngl I feel like some of the placings are a little wacked. I actually think swords are very good in this game and axes are heavy and have hit rates that always make me second guessing myself (especially in the early game). I think Diamant is extremely underrated consider that he has good bases and he was doing pretty much the same thing in my fixed Maddening as in Mekkah's let's play (maybe ike just breaks him). I'm also not sure how I feel about seeing Ivy, Celine, and Pandreo placed below Louis and Amber (consider all 3 of them have tome and staff utility while the other 2 have more viable replacements) and I'm also curious what skills you gave to Ivy since tome precision pretty much fixed her hit rate problem for me and I'm not sure what other skills she really want other than Canter and Tome Precision. I'm also not too sure what makes Merrin and Kagetsu placed lower than Yunaka and Zelkov consider they can perform just about the same level and if not better. Hortensia is an interesting unit since she can easily be placed in the high S tier for staff utility and her combat is respectable but not amazing. She has good speed growth to not get doubled and a lot of the times she can finish off enemies if needed to, my only issue is her low hp and Maddening enemies can one shot her but she usually has good avoid and a hp tonic will patch up the one shot problem. Her stats reminds me a lot of Sara in FE5 but Sara is way more useful in her game because FE5 just works differently.
You want to know the real sauce? Make a tier list ranking the units you get before ch 10 about how they help you through the early game (ch1-11). That or best units to use your first 3 master seals on
I think the best users for the early game master seals are Chloe, Alear, and Alcryst or Anna if you decide to invest in her as a Sage/MK. Louis doesn't really need the master seal since he does fine as an armor knight with the Sigurd ring.
@@LinkachuHQ the boosts you get in base stats and growths by promoting Alear or any noble/lord are low compared to promoting another unit, so I wouldn’t say use for first 3 on Alear. Look at the str and spd growths for divine child and divine dragon. They’re the same.
@@MrThaumaturgical That depends entirely if you stick with Dragon or go something else on Alear. On fixed mode maddening to not get str screwed I switch Alear to warrior or wyvern. Besides in general I find I do not use more than two starter units through the game and as you said Alcryst as lord can be promoted later.
@Mr Thaumaturgical yeah, alear pretty much has dibs on the seal from the chapter 10 boss
@Linkachu HQ Lapis and Amber are pretty solid options too, tbh. It mainly comes down to picking 3-5 early game units to give favoritism to help them snowball into lategame.
Warrior Etie in maddening has seriously been my MVP for most chapters. She one-shots fliers already without doubling, so giving Lyn to her makes her a monster with a longbow.
My Etie was an absolute monster as both a warrior and a bow knight, her sheer power was staggering
Im glad to see more people appreciate etie. She's was my mvp on my first hard/classic playthrough. Kinda working up the courage to try maddening mode.😅
@@hitsumaru100 she needs a bit invesment to shine, but really worth it. She was my best unit on maddenning and the lyn ring is perfect for her. Her damage output is way better than alear or kagetsu (my kagetsu had to crit to kill something in one round)
@@fermendez8566 True, i had to upgrade her steel bow in the beginning, but once i turned her into a warrior she just destroyed flying enemies. And lynn's ring just made her even better.
On the other hand my Chloe didn't really do that much, and once ivy came in i had to bench her. I think i got rng screwed with Chloe, but anyways i heard maddening has fixed growth rates, so i might not be so lucky with etie's growth's. So i might have to by the dlc if i want to try maddening mode.
My thoughts for the Lyn ring was actually to put it on a non bow user, so that her engage can give you extra bows when you need them (versus a unit who already uses bows). The only exception I can think of is Alcryst since it give you 5 chances to proc Luna
For Citrinne on my first Maddening playthrough, I didn’t even know about dire thunder. I had used her as my primary Thoron user. Forged it to +3 and engraved it to give better might and I believe accuracy and she was so good at dealing huge damage. In the chapter against Griss, she was a couple points off of one shotting him. No mage in the game can do this with relative ease and power. The hit rate of Thoron was remedied through the engrave plus hit/avo tome skill
With hortensia, I'd argue you should have ONE dedicated staff bot so that your sages can do damage instead of healing. So I'd put in low S tier.
I have found I can get by without a dedicated healer/staff user if I inherit Quality Time+ on 2-3 units so you can passively heal all the time and completely heal up during any dead time when the enemy is not aggroing, without using any staff consumables. I have healing on Ivy and Chloe but really only for emergencies or to save time. Most of the time all my healing needs can be met just with passives, and Seadall's Curious Dance; so although hortensia is the best healer I ended up phasing her out of my team by endgame
I have no dedicated staff user as you can put Veronica on anyone for Fortify+ (if using DLC) and Miciah otherwise. It's fine using a sage to heal in specific situations especially if you have a dancer to re-up them.
I feel the battle not so fast pace most of the time. You can almost divide the battle into small pieces and do the heal between. Hort just save some money to me
Would love to hear you two do class tier and emblem/bond tier lists next
Putting Jean in F tier is so laughably misguided I can't take anything else this guy says seriously lmao
Spot the amelia enjoyer
Timerra and Panette are must deploys for me on maddening. Timerra is one of the few units in the game who can tank on maddening thanks to her speed and great defense. Also great dex. Panette with brave axe is basically a complete unit from the start. Only needs to switch classes when she hits the dex cap.
Merrin is my mvp. Crazy good.
I finished my first maddening run without using them. Might try it out on my 2nd run
All Timerra needs is Bld+3 and Spd+3 and she can start doubling enemies with a silver lance. Give her the Sigurd emblem later on and she can carry with Sandstorm
Panette is such a monster. I just hate that her outfit gets lost when you reclass because Berserker is so bad, but it's her best drip.
Timerra is the real tank damage unit that also has backup. I put dual assist and speed taker on her with Lief. It solves her build problem. I guess if you don’t like backup chip damage you can always put on something else you like.
With regard to Ana and the resources she requires, I would argue that "early reclassing" is a benefit to the Micaiah ring on top of the XP gain. If you were rating the bond rings, would you not count early reclassing as a benefit to Micaiah? So my opinion is that by not using Micaiah's XP (which, to be fair, is good for any character) for the benefit of a unit like Ana that is just in the wrong starting class, you're under-utilizing the Micaiah ring. So I think she's a *good* use of your resources in that sense.
I can't let y'all cook sometimes
I think one of the big reasons why Framme's usefulness stretches so far into the game is because of her massive contribution to Alear Dodgetanking. If you manage to get some of the avoid skills from Marth on Alear, pairing him with Framme dramatically lowers the enemy capability to hit him since his avoid numbers reach obscene levels. Then of you just stick a Micaiah engrave on a shielding art, Framme is also dodge tanking. Contributing to main character survival is the main source of her usefulness.
The fact that she's just frankly a good martial master just allows her to extend that usefulness further into the game. Though her usage is most certainly dependent on Alear and she'll be significantly worse if she moves too far from Alear which can curb her flexibility.
The problem is martial master is a bad class
@@emrakultpe with one exception. Eirika emblem and Flashing fist art. Flashing fist art has good might and low weight, while also giving +5 speed, and Eirika gives a bunch of true damage
The true secret is to reclass Framme to griffin rider and alear to your flying unit of choice and have them zoom around staff cantoing and dodge tanking anywhere you need them.
@@emrakultpe I see too many ppl underrate Fist weapons too much, Breaking Wolf Knights and Killing mages without taking damage is really good. Look at it like this, If it takes 2 units to take out a fast Wolf Knight while taking damage from daggers and being poisoned rather than breaking them and basically killing them with Fist weapons is arguably more useful. Also Upgrading Fist Weapons is sooo little investment its almost criminal not to try Martial Master. Also Framme is really fast and also boost Avoid for herself and Alear.
Ya'll crazy on Anna, easily the best endgame mage. Choops only respects characters that immediately become the best character in your lineup when you get them!
That's because endgame viability is not everything
@@leargamma4912to be fair neither is simply bases. In a game like engage where there is a large amount of growth for units, a character’s potential for growth does matter as well.
Lapis is in the situation that her base class gives her terrible bases and growths. If she reclasses into warrior after ch8, she gets a massive power spike. 18 str, 13 spd, 33 hp promoting from level 10. Also 45% str, 65% spd, 80% hp growth. Part of this is warrior being a busted class, but she does not deserve F tier.
same if you put her into wyvern knight. not only does she become a competent fighter, but i primarily used her to fly off into an enemy blob with ivy, shield with lucina, and have enemies kill themselves on ivy if you have her speed fixed. if the stage isn't done by that point, it is not difficult to get more meter with her. on maddening as well.
Interesting video and I like the discussion, would be cool if you each made tier lists as you go, so you could see the side by side differences at the end
Link: Trying to hype Jean up
Choops: We don't do that here
I love choops but he is wrong. Michiahs ring is broken and completely removes the traditional argument against growth units.
@@bfmvbrass that comes with an opportunity cost. You can do that with any character and get a better immediate payoff with most other options
@@ccjl9160 That's not how opportunity cost works in this scenario, though. There aren't enough seals to go around (pre-ch. 10) and higher leveled units will receive significantly reduced XP when healing with staves of Great Sacrifice.
You'd have to spend many, many more staves, engages, and turns in order to gain 1 level on your current main unit(s) when compared to gaining 1 level every 1-2 Engage or 6-8 heals on Jean or Anna.
You either:
1. Spend ~100 turns and 3 healing staves to power level Anna and Jean on Jean's paralogue for 14 levels worth of stats total and have two very good useable units by chapter 10.
2. Spend the same amount to gain 2-3 levels worth of stats on a single unit when Yunaka can dodge tank the early game with Iron Dagger + Engrave.
It's a no-brainer, really.
@@calvin659 it's exactly how opportunity cost works in this scenario. That's what opportunity cost is. You could grind out Jean/Anna or you could keep Yunaka relevant. Or you could set up to promote Chloe, Louis, etc. earlier.
If you want to spend so much time grinding, fine, good for you. Play how you want. You just admitted though that it specifically requires grinding, and that is not efficient play
Ngl, probably one of the worst tier lists I have seen for FE Engage.
I agree. Anna is better than that and Diamant may not be the best but he isnt terrible.
For real as someone whos done like 10 challenge runs on maddening. This is pretty awful xD
I agree like 100% wtf is those page ranked lower, wtf is Timerra, Lindon and Lapis doing there
Wtf is Clanne ranked lower than Framme
Kagetsu not being in S makes this hard to take seriously
he being a single tier above Etie not ? 💀
For real lol...
Because I think it's based on Maddening fixed and not on Beginners(normal)/also Beginners(hard)
This unironically is a pretty mediocre list, mainly because of bias, being after a couple playthroughs at best and not having done any math or theorycrafting work.
There was a much better one posted to reddit recently where the OP goes through and explains with good calcs. I would link it, but RUclips comments will shadowban you for posting links now thanks to the bot influx.
Kagstsu is good but in maddening is not THAT good. High tier A tho for sure
I love tier lists they are so much fun to make
Clanne is alright. In those early maps the biggest difference between Celine and him is who has Celica. In maddening fixed lvl 5 Clanne with Celica can 1 round armor knights in chapter 5.
Etie above Ivy 💀
yea... that one is highly questionable
Idk, I don't like Ivy, and I hardly use her, but Etie is constantly in my team, she is just way too good imo. If I'm gonna have a magic user, I'll stick with my old faithful, Clanne
@@TheOnyxSpy Look, Etie takes lots of work to make work, Ivy is pretty much just a master seal and occasional weapon upgrades.
@@goroadachi9489 I mean, I understand that, and maybe it's just because I'm using Etie with an engraved Brave Bow, but she is almost constantly outdoing most other Ranged units I have, save for Louis, whom I've armed with an engraved spear and takes absolutely no damage whatsoever unless it's a Chain Attack, in which case he takes 4 damage, or it's a magic user, in which case he takes about 10 damage.
@@TheOnyxSpy The thing is, if you give Ivy or most other units half that, they probably would see a similar performance, or maybe even better.
Timerra at F and Diamont at D? Yall smoking.
That's what I'm saying
that conversation you guys had about jean was super interesting and it was making me laugh
Loving this channel's info
Kagetsu not in S-tier so I can't really take this seriously.
Just reclass after chapter 13 to a wyvern knight and he'll be the best character in the game. Even in those two chapters you have to use him as a swordmaster he'd still be one of the best units you have at that point.
Yeah kind of a garbage list, they literally admitted to not trying him out LOL.
Ima be real cheif you don't even need to reclass him for him to be one of the best units. He's great at being the 1st/2nd person you send a a boss with the swordmaster skill and at least get S rank swords.
Kind of hard for me to take the list seriously when it doesn't line up with my own anecdotal experience. As the main character of life,
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Like many things, it depends. Sure, if you're trying to get canter on every unit, training Jean or even Anna may be suboptimal, but that isn't a fault of the units, just the specific playstyle you're going for.
On average, in an efficient run, even on maddening, it's better to invest a little in Jean and Anna because the return is consistently better. Easily at least B tier on an objective tier list, personally would put Jean in A and Anna in S tier.
The longer the video goes, the more I dislike super specific stuff that is ultimately subjective. Excellent content!
I disagree with conflating the investment needed for Jean and Anna. Jeans starting class lets his get exp through staves and chain guard, which only competes with framme and the micaiah wielder, less if healing is needed on multiple targets, wheras Anna has to do combat to get that exp, combat that needs to be carefully monitored (or she can take the micaiah ring, but that comes at the expense of someone else).
I agree with basically everything said in this video except for where you placed Timerra. She’s not the greatest but she was pretty damn good on my first playthrough (currently on my second playthrough but I’m trying to use completely different units this time). She falls off a bit by late game but she was never *bad* for me. Her personal skill is really good imo (minus crit on enemies within 3 spaces) and sandstorm procs pretty often and can proc with great aether if you decide to keep Ike on her.
I also used Framme for basically the entire playthrough my first time around and brought her to endgame because she’s a good staff bot. I think having a dedicated staff bot is better than having your attackers have to pick between staff and damage.
I have never seen a wronger teir list. Yall are missing out if you ain't using Jean or Anna. 😢😢😢
O.o Me listening to the one goof saying Anna is dogshit when my Anna is an unstoppable killing, dodging, doubling and money making machine. I guess that just proves anyone can be really good depending on what resources you choose to feed them.
On my first maddening run Ivy and Rosado were my hard carries. You get them late enough that giving them speedtaker requires no work, and speedtaker fixes all of their problems basically. I'm okay with their placement though, the one that really bothers me is Celine, no matter how you slice it, she just is in a different dimension compared to the other b tier units.
Bebo already made a great comment on how Timerra can essentially be A, if not S tier. But tbh, I did NOTHING with my Timerra and she's holding her own alongside a buffed Diamant and Kagetsu.
On paper here stat spread and growth seems all over the place and being restricted to one weapon type that requires build on a low build Character is wack.
BUT somehow she is just working. I don't get. She isn't overlveled and I haven't done much with her. I just gave whatever ring was available at the time, (Eirika and then Sigurd) and she keeps up really well
The amount of people that underestimate her is kind of insane. She gets insanely good with the right Build and fairly cheap to set up even on maddening. Endgame she just pops of and is one of the few units that can consistently OHKO enemies.
It’s crazy how lowballed Timerra was in this video. Sandstorm is crazy reliable and her high dex allows her to have a consistent crit rate on top of that.she’s amso really low investment, by the time you get her the only other characters that even want a master seal are Fogado and Hortensia.
Timerra F Etie B I mean I don't know what to say even 👁️🤚
Man, this forced me to reflect on myself as a player. I always enjoy investing and pushing units to break the game. Hearing Choops's thought on Jean and Anna brought attention to that, but also the low value placed on the Timerra sandstorm build. I was planning to go for it since I don't know who else would take a Defense stat booster.
The other points I can think of that were missed. Clanne was discussed as a magic unit, but he, to my knowledge wants a second seal for physical. Not worth it, but but better than keeping magic if you use him.
RE Zelkov vs Yunaka personal skill: I think they both can get enough avoid (especially on Dawn engrave) that having the crit is a bit better than +10 avoid. Was the reasoning for Zelkov being better the ability to use it on normal terrain?
Another thing about Ivy. She has considerably more bulk than other mages and on par with some physical units. Not a tank, but can afford one round of combat. I didn't really know what to do with any of the surge tomes, or the Elsurge tome you get a few chapters, before she joins, and I think Ivy is the only unit it makes sense to use it for and it lets you patch the hit-rate issues that come from not being Mystical. (seriously though? Ivy below Etie?)
Also, you talked about mystical being good a lot. My only understanding of unit types so far is Armor=unbreakable; Mystic=ignore terrain bonus; Covert=double-avoid terrain bonus; Cav and Flying are what they are; Dragon gives Alear special skills on Emblem rings. I'd love a video on the different emblem ring effects by unit type for each ring and which is the best wielder for each ring?
timerra ia a good unit dont listen to these 2
You can take defense boosters on any bruiser, mid-defense unit, of which there are several. Timerra is controversial because she really can't kill much on her own, but she has enough defense to serve as a decent off-tank and enough speed that you don't have to baby her much against fear of doubling. So to get value out of her, you need to get value out of her chip damage which usually means an aggressive, player-phase comp (lots of fliers, etc.), which most people don't try on their first Maddening run (vs, say, throwing a Panette at the problem). She's a support-ish off-tank unit, similar to Goldmary (who also has worthless offense, but useful, safe chip damage with Dual Assist on an above average Defense unit).
The thing about Zelkov vs Yunaka is that you can save the Dawn engrave for other units if you use Zelkov. Daggers are pretty light; you can easily wield Silver Daggers without much speed penalty as the game goes on, and it's not like Thieves have a lot of stuff to spend SP on so it's not a huge deal to get +Spd or +Avo skill if you need it. So you would like to get less Avo Engraves on them and save them for non-Covert heavy speed units. Micaiah engrave is helpful not only for Avo but also the weight lightening and can thus salvage a lot of low Build, high Spd characters (of which there are quite a few).
Can we all just agree that Chloé and Lewi are literal GODS even with no rings. With rings or without just use Decoy on both of them and draw all the enemies in for some easy EXP for your weaker units.
On another note I like how you guys break down the rings and weapons you use for each. Over half of these units I haven’t even bothered to use. Alot of the units I haven’t bothered to use you guys put on pretty high tiers, which gives me a different perspective to try out if I do a new run.
One thing I don’t get, are you supposed to second seal every time you hit level 10 with a master class ?
I think you missed explaining one important criteria that can make or break units which is what is the efficiency expectation for this tier list assuming this is for a maddening run. For, example are you allowed to spend extra turns spamming staffs to eek out enough SP in the early game?
I can make a pretty busted Alfred following the exaxt same model as Link suggested for Jean and I feel like it would be easier to do and save turns since we get Alfred earlier. The end result won't be as good, but it would still be busted for Maddening. The Jean/Anna argument sounds so much like the Nino argument.
If you are looking for additional content ideas, what about ranking the units as if you would use them the entire game without an Emblem Ring on Maddening without DLC/Olwen ring as they would always be the odd unit given the limited number of Enblem Rings available. They can be in their best class and have a B Bond Ring whenever they become available and inherit skills when reasonably available. The argument here would be that the best units don't need the most powerful tools that can be shared with the lesser units to make your army better as a whole. I'm also curious whether people will do a no Emblem/Bond Ring run to see which are the best units with the remaining tools available.
If you made it this far, I think you are both sleeping on Pandreo, and lesser extent Framme, as a High Priest as I always find their combat with a tome useful even without an Emblem Ring when they don't need to use a staff.
I'm personally really enjoying Alear as a Wolf Knight given how insane daggers can be forged/engraved with their speed growth. The enemies rarely go for them given the low hit rate, so you can abuse Lucina's Bonded Shield if you are in a jam and get the extra attack being so close. It also has the added benefit of putting female Alear's hair in a ponytail which I think Link would appreciate.
Finally, Hortensia is the easiest S tier even if you don't give her an Emblem Ring. She's got plenty of punch with an elfire for any needed extra damage for when Choops comes up a few hit points short allowing Alear to go somewhere else the few times that you don't need to use her staff utility from two range. Giving her the Micaiah ring, she's absolutely broken with the things she can do that everyone else wouldn't be as good doing if they had the same tools.
(This is first out of chronological order since it's what made me want to comment.) The problem with the Jean assessment is it was based on a singular build path. They never even considered if or not he contributes meaningfully if you don't invest a Second Seal into him. And to that, I say he grows well just staying in Martial Monk and only using him as tactically needed (special note going to how quickly both Def and Res grows on him in this case, it'll sneak up on you how soon he can start taking hits when you don't need him for Chain Guard/had an HP level-up you don't feel like healing off to use Chain Guard). Completely low effort for mid-to-high payoff. And then only on top of that he has a bunch of re-classing potential if you choose to invest in that instead. Most of all, less annoying than Framme, making up the difference from her earlier availability. Although, Second Seals are a resource themselves, if you just don't use them you're not really gaining anything from abstaining, and there's not that many units that truly want to use them in the early game.
Next point, Boucheron could have 0 Str growth and still be an ideal Axe unit. He doesn't fall off, he just has a couple chapters of struggling for his lower base Dex and Speed to catch up from high growths (during which he can still face tank thanks to the HP and Build), and then snowballs from there. If you can hit and double with really heavy Axes, the weapon might is all that matters for damage. His only ACTUAL weak points are low Luck, the opportunity cost of benching him being low, and re-classing him to try to "fix" his issues being a total trap option (he's forced to stick to the Axe Fighter line of Promotion by his bases and growths, so he's like the least re-classable unit in the game). Benching him is totally viable, but so is giving him one of the first Master Seals, won't be going wrong in either case. Both Berserker or Warrior can work, but it's pretty clear which class is the better one. Although, he's technically the best Berserker by virtue of all other characters having too many other options for class choice and Warrior being better on Bow Innate characters (mostly just if you like for every character you're using to be in a different class from each other).
Anna is best in High Priest (for Luck and because her Mag is huge enough to not need nor want higher rank tomes), so, to be optimal, she's either DLC required to use early or a later game unit. On that note, you can just put off doing the paralogues of her or Jean until you're ready to use them, or until after you've gotten a story map unit you do want to use to put those maps' exp and resources towards, so that might mitigate the issue slightly. Even if you don't class change her to a magic class, hard to call her F tier, since you can just pull the old magic weapon utility for her if you did make the mistake of raising her as a physical unit, and Backup utility is automatic D minimum (honestly, only Cavalry type units are in danger of being truly dead weight, since the unit type effects can make any unit useful enough to escape F in my opinion, as long as their availability doesn't invalidate it). And there are no unequivocal "starts-as-a-mage and useful through the whole game" units without effort in the game. They all need babied in some way or another. But, she is still a high effort unit in any scenario, so lower ranking is ultimately WAY more warranted than it was with Jean. Although, I liken judging her on her starting class akin to judging a unit based on waiting until level 20 to promote units: excusable blind ignorance or willful knowing ignorance of the game systems. She's a merchant that wants you to invest in her, totally convinced it was another self-aware element from the developers.
Lapis is very comparable to being a worse Framme in growths, and the bases are nothing to write home about when you have Diamant to make direct comparison against the very next chapter (who also gets to start with an Emblem for SP efficiency), and even he's not too good in his own right either. Actually, that's an element against basically every retainer that joins from chapters 7+, join chapters holding them back since they're forced deployed but you can't equip them due to being green until starting. On it's own slightly minor, but if the unit in question has any shortcomings that exasperates them heavily, since they're potential liabilities for that one chapter depending on playstyle.
Bunet: Oh, hey, it's that Calvary class being the only thing that can make a unit dead weight I mentioned earlier. Not that reclassing saves him.
...Mainly, at the end of the day, growth units aren't a bad thing in this game, because there's so so so many tools for catching units up to speed that the opportunity cost is a false narrative. If you can go out of your way to put Canter on every unit, you're just being contrary saying units are bad due to early game Second Sealing, Sacrifice abuse, or such.
Anna on maddening with fixed growths is pretty good, one shots all of the fliers and doubles the armoured units either killing them or doing 98% of their HP as a bow knight with radiant bow
Anna on maddening with random growths becomes insane because her growths are so high % that you get way more stats on random than on fixed because rng on anna is heavily in your favour
(Bow knight is better since you can S tier claude's ring for 2-3 range radiant bow and the option for 2-4 range long bow, plus sets speed and dex to 70% to ensure that you double everyone in the game and Radiant Bow's base damage is so high that it makes up for having less magic growth)
Ivy actually scales quite well if you give her some Speed fixing with the Lyn ring. Speedtaker and Speed+, combined with her naturally high Build means she'll start doubling after a few kills and she can deal big damage with heavy tomes.
Her bulk also lets her take a few hits, but you definitely want to watch out for Crits, because Ivy's Luck stat is terrible. But she's right up there with Pandreo when she gets the investment she needs.
And even if you don't want to invest in her at all, you can just slap a Thunder tome on her and give her Draconic Hex, she'll do this job better than any other mage unit because she can fly.
Definitely deserved a higher rank.
You know what, they should give Anna ability to be another convoy, that would be really fitting to her.
14:55 I only used Framme because I got caught off guard that some of the Maps you can deploy like a crap ton of Units.
So I'm like welp might as well add another healer on my team.
Even if she's under level, healing and chains guards are useful
my framme is WILDLY overleveled compared to everyone else (excluding alear) in my group. her and micaiah carried me through the dlc pre-chapt 6
@@buttery_gooch6 ^This. She levels up easily when her combat is abysmal through healing, and she ends up leveling so much that she's actually competent. She ended up being one of my main revival stone depleters for most bosses.
Also, based Pekoyama profile.
@@buttery_gooch6 I feel like anyone would be better off with micaiah, because she lets anyone become a healer and get easy exp, something Framme can already do. Giving it to Anna lets her get exp she wouldn't get normally to set her up to become a mage.
@@cryguy0000 i did all of the dlc as soon as dlc was unlocked (right after micaiah is unlocked) which powerleveled my entire team but more specifically framme
I actually kept Anna as an Axe unit, with the Master Seal upgrade, but use her with Magic Weapons and Crit Weapons, like the Radiant Bow and Killer Axe. And Anna still rocks as DPS, with Tiki emblem.
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Obligatory 'Celine is indeed A tier' comment. I'd also put alfred a bit higher as I've used him now twice on maddening as a tank but tbh many units do work better as tanks than him so idk lol
Rosado joins later than kagetsu, has a higher internal level than kagetsu and is 20 points worse than kagetsu overall.( I think)
So either how the hell is kagetsu so low or on the contrary how is rosado not f?
Yeah Rosado is, unfortunately, an easy F tier. Goldmary is better I think in every way if you reclass her to wyvern knight too. It's a damn shame because I like Rosado and am tempted to save my stat boosters for him next time, but it's a shame that using all your stat boosters on him is necessary just to make him viable.
I would say the fact that they give you rosado with the eirika emblem is a good chapter to get him early kills and level him up easily. Then althoug kagetsu would be better, i think rosado is easily a good option to use the eirika emblem just in the next chapter, since it gives you movility and power to make ise of it. Then kagetsu could do it better, but there are so many good rings you can use in him, lun specially, so rosado is a pretty good unit to put a good rong on and see his usefulness, in that way he can make the game easier, and he can scale pretty fast too, with high sp obtaining speedtaker is not a hige issue and that dolves practically his speed problem even on maddening.
@@jackmanleblanc2518yeah but you need to alredy put resources on goldmary to reach that. Rosado only needs speedtaker to function and with high sp at that point is not hard to get. Goldmary i think is better, but is because of her being a right of the bat 10 free damage with just giving her a spear and the dual assist skill. Really easy to get that powerfull support unit.
Kagetsu is literally ranked 2 tiers higher than Rosado what are you talking about? He's the second highest tier how is that "so low"?
@@moonmelons I guess I said that because just looking at starting stats and growth plus a decent passive there is no other place for me other than best unit in the game
I hope amber being top of B tier is a meme, hes in contention for worst unit in the game with alfred. Ill never understand why timerra is always bottom tier when she has the 2nd best personal skill in the game after luna, i understand the low strength and build but if you put her with ike shes a serviceable unit certainly not F tier. Other than that the list is decent
I feel like for me i can't fairly rate units if you allow second seals because just say almost anyone gets warrior or hero and they become good there are just to many options for reclassing so for units that fairly comparing units especially with how strong class modifiers for growths are so strong
Even if we rank units based on how good they are as a warrior or Sage with second seal reclassing, Anna is probably the best Sage in the game, and Jean is the best Warrior. Second seals being used in the way Link talks about is for changing units to better benefit their growths when they’re in classes that don’t suit them well (Like Anna’s average strength but absurd magic growths), and not just putting them into the best classes because they’re the best classes.
In regards to ivy i always use her with lyn and i forge and engrave a bolganonne for accuracy and she is my best unit, on maddening fixed, however i did save and gave her all of the magic boosters so this might be why she is so good for me.
How on earth you put timerra on F tier same place as bunet lmao xD, she's one of the best tank + counter hard with her speed and sandstorm. And u tell me vander is above her? It's a total joke. She's at least on lower A or high B tier
Growth units aren't as bad in this game cause of things like micaiah, so I feel like they deserve a little more credit. You can pretty much pick one growth unit for free and give them micaiah and they are guaranteed to scale with 0 drawbacks pretty much. The only drawback is you can only pick one, so the best of the growth units should probably be the one you choose. So either jean or Anna probs
Also I disagree that diamant is as bad as the other people in that tier.
Honestly if you have the dlc, Camilla makes Hortensia an actually competent combat unit with Lightning and Camilla's axe. Obviously her main role is staff utility but there's down time where staff effects aren't needed and she's saved my ass by securing a final kill since she quads with Lightning easily with her speed. The only bad thing is that I don't ever use the dragon vein because of how niche it is
Framme makes a good lucina user on martial master. She supports a lot of strong units like kagetsu, Anna, and Chloe. Her shielding just two people she supports makes her unhittable and you get that juicy 100% bond shield without needing to run a bunch of flyers.
Would like to spread this information as far as I can. Clanne is actually an amazing unit. The issue, is that he should immediately be class changed the moment possible. His chip damage early game is VERY useful early on in maddening, and with the fixed (average) growths, he is actually BETTER than a Chloe of the same level as a Wyvern. Use Clanne
The problem is that he's a victim of the timing you get Second Seals. His growths in physical classes are good, but not so good that it justifies absorbing XP from other units throughout the early game (especially on Mage) when you have actual growth units to utilize, and he starts extremely low level (even though he joins immediately). XP is sparse in early maps without Micaiah setup very specifically, so you can really only carry a few units through the early game.
@AncientSpark comparing his average growths, he actually has the same Str as Chloe as a level 10 Mage / 1 Wyvern as what she has as a level 10 Peg / 1 Wyvern. He's basically a second Chloe
I didn't level him one bit before I got second seals, made him a warrior and he became insanely good. He is the most insane offensive unit in my playthrough but dies pretty quick.
nahhh at IL 35 Clanne's only advantage on Chloe is being up 1 str, which is offset by Chloe's personal giving +2 damage pretty easily. Clanne is down 6 mag (can't use levin sword to deal with armors) and is way squishier (down 12 entire hp in exchange for just 2 def / 1 res). Chloe also wins in bld, lck, dex, so she'll double more, dodge more, and be more accurate. There's no way Clanne is outperforming her as a wyvern without heavy favoritism.
It's still a second Chloe. He is nowhere near as bad as Alfred. Why use some of the throwaway units when you can just straight up have a second Chloe?
I’m with Choops on the Céline argument. She’s one of the only units with 3 weapon types (the other is high priest and the brawling is whatever unless you put a high strength/magic unit there) and she’s the only one with her unique 3. The whole not being silenced with levin sword thing, breaking axe units with magic, staves, and pretty good speed & defensive growths. All that while still being a mystical unit who can take advantage of the really good Emblem bonuses like thyrsus or magic damage with override. She’s the ONLY unit who can fully take advantage of magic override, and it leaves most of the units with low enough health that anything that hits it kills it, if they’re not already dead. She’s been my only mystical unit in my run currently bc Ivy and Hortensia are flying and my other healer is a Chloé griffin. Definitely keeping at least 2 mystics next time though for all the cool bonuses
For Lindon I built him with Elsurge, with Corrin's Engraving. Had like a 60%+ chance to crit on everyone, always had doubles available, with Wrath, he was up in the 90% for crit chance, all with 100% hit due to Elsurge, and I used Byleth on him for a bit of extra crit, sometimes getting hit for half damage, 1-3 range Elsurge made him an amazing enemy phase unit, especially in the late-game chapters where reinforcements just kept coming, and he just fit really well to be the person doing the Byleth dance. He made obviously zero use of Divine Pulse though.
Thanks for the podcast guys. You even almost got the tier list part right too. All you had to do was boost Boucheron up 7 tiers.
Here's why the whole "wasting resources" is a god awful argument.
Chloe's strength is godawful unless you give her every single energy drop, so that's a waste of resource, everyone can be a griffon knight so she's not doing anything special shortly after her join.
Yunaka can't kill shit unless you sink a ton of money and resources for forged weapons, waste of resources, just give it to someone who doesn't need to use forge weapons to be able to kill.
etc, etc.
"I gave Celine 4 spirit dust and all my speed wings, she's S tier, I have to give a character a second seal and a master seal to be good? F tier" < really now?
Yeah it's a dumb argument. With that argument you can talk yourself out of using any resources on any character ever in the whole game.
Damn, my Alear requires so many resources to keep relevant. I have to bring them to every map.
Feels like this was made for clicks/engagement while Engage is still trending. Neither of the people in this video seem to know much about this game's units or mechanics at all:
"I've never touched Pandreo but idk... B I guess"
Yup. That's real helpful. Great insight guys!
If you're looking to play Engage and want to know which units are good and which are bad, I beg of you to look ANYWHERE but here
my best units have definitely got to be Alear, Framme (martial master is so useful in my run), Louis, Alcryst, Panette, Pandreo, Fogado, Jean, Ivy, Diamant. ive picked up Yunaka + Corrin and she's getting so good and im working on making my Boucheron and Anna monsters. then Seadall is there to dance.
Did anyone use the bow knight class?
Genuinely curious as well. Have not myself because the only people that I'd have use bows have it because Warrior or have strictly statistically superior personal classes
it's kinda trash worse than sniper
You are totally wrong on jean. Yes the investment is huge but the payoff is 20 times bigger. Jean starts useful and snowballs out of control. S tier no debate.
Could you both or individually do a ring pair video? This list was very helpful!
I put Alfred into theif using the first pair of second seals that become available and getting daggers off Michaiah. He's actually quite good as one.
choops promoted anna like 3 chapters too late and thats why he think's shes bad. unironic skill issue
Jean and Anna are insane, classic underleveled FE characters that become busted with just minimal effort.
Lol I used Framme all the way to the end as a Martial Master kind of on accident. I kept thinking I was going to replace her the whole time and never did. And then she was one of my favorite units for both utility and damage at the end. I honestly don't know what happened.
I don't even use a dedicated healer in this FE, there are so many good units who can have staves as a backup in addition to utility emblems like miciah. Therefore Frame etc just don't cut it.
Mage Anna is S TIER
I dont know where to start, i think this tierlist has some major flaws. Its based on your opinions but Choops doesnt seem very knowledgeable about certain units causing them to be devalued quite a lot. Im basing this on maddening with dlc btw. Putting Etie over Ivy is insult to injury for me LOL. The concerns about Ivy are true that she becomes inaccurate by the endpoint of the game. But before that she gets the job done. If you give her the speed and magic raising items and Lynn she can keep up with doubling and oneschotting enemies. While saying “give them all the boosts and she works” isnt a good argument, you guys did say she has a niche. She is a 1-2 flying magic user that has decent defensive stats. If you could make any unit capable of oneshotting, youd pick the unit that can do so in the most flexible way. 1-2 flying with canter option is the most flexible in my book and thus I say she has a claim on those stat boosts since she objectively uses those stat boosts well, better than others (i also raise this as an argument for putting miccy on Anna earlygame). So for me she goes S,as well as Kagetsu. He pairs well with Edelgard. He has great base Str and Str growth, paired with his great speed, speed taker and Edelgards str bonusses he can pull off brave sword builds and reliably oneshot basically anything. This also makes it possible for him to quickly charge the emblem. Thanks to raging storm he can instantly use up all the engage turns and with dancing support potentially engage every turn. This is a niche that other units would not be able to do because they simply dont have the stats to pull it off. You guys make swords seem mediocre but they have some clear strengths. Forged armorslayers get the job done like mages do on armor units and the bravesword is light enough that Kagetsu doesnt get weighed down by the endgame. he does this while sporting a 60% def growth while in wyvern and so he can be your main tank that also has a good dodge rate, the emblem even helps with tanking archers.
The tierlist is based off no dlc
@@OwnD1 even without DLC
Timerra being F, Jeana me Anna being C,
And then we have etie being put above Nearly the entire roster when she has a god awful speed stat that even Lyn doesn’t fix… like what the hell is this list
My biggest mistake was promoting Alfred. He was my second master seal and I thought he would be better.
I don't understand the hate for him, honestly. It's at least contrary to my experience. Initially he was very underwhelming for me, then I promoted him and slapped on Marth Emblem and he started to hard carry, which changed my opinion of him entirely. How does your experience with him differ?
14:52 The reason for that is because of Qi adept + Bonded Shield combo. I mean sure there could be other units that you can reclass and probably be better Qi adept users but the fact that she starts off as one makes more people not want to get rid of that Qi adept + Bonded shield viability. Sure Seadall can also do it but because he's a dancer you'd obviously want to dance with him more than do bonded shield as to someone that's not a dancer
Well most of the video was a good watch, but man those Jean and Anna sections were rough to watch. 😂 Choops seemed so aggressive compared to what I normally see. To be fair I don't get a chance to tune into his streams often, just his videos.
Incredible good tier list, you guys helped balance each other out and come up with mostly correct values