Leaked Document To Twitter Shows Biden's "Principles" For Gaza
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here when it was principals
*Biden:* "Hey Jack! I'm serious this time! >:("
*US President Netanyahu:* "Fuck you.
*Biden:* "Ok :("
Biden is such a sub
@@améliehester6996they're actually playing out a public bratty sub role reversal scene
@christopherjones9536
And progressives are simps for terrorists.
@@améliehester6996He's not a sub, he's an actual Zionist.
What is Israel BLACKMAILING him with?!
Or, does he enjoy Poisoning Civilians in the Park??!!
Palestinians have to disarm after being actively genocided, meanwhile Israel constantly finding new red lines just to cross them and still expects (correctly) to receive constant influxes of military aid.
@@donovan4222You're one of the biggest Vaush fans I've ever seen
I wouldn’t say that the Palestinians were armed in the first place. Do you see Hamas and the overall Palestinian population as the same?
@@ALN21000they are showing which propaganda bubble they're coming from.
@@donovan4222 Supported, yes. But in terms of actually owning weapons and ammunition? And actively planning to strike at Israeli forces? Don’t you think there’s a difference between supporting something from the sidelines and actually taking part in the operations?
@@ALN21000 It's just psychotic the framing, as if Palestinians have proven they can't be trusted to have a military like every other country on Earth all for the "safety" of the people who are genociding them and equipped with American military aid.
Tbh if there were any real principles there then weapons would have stopped being sent already...
Exactly
Let's be real. Politics has never been about moral principles or whatever, no matter how vehemently people claim otherwise.
The problem is that Israel is probably the most paranoid state on the planet (yes, that includes North Korea), so any kind of diplomatic persuasion with them needs to be excessively careful. Israeli political establishment (particularly the hard right one calling the shots right now) does not really see itself as part of the West or think that it has any real friends or allies, they EXPECT everyone to betray them eventually. And trust is what diplomacy has to rely on.
So thus far all pressure on Israel has been talks behind closed doors and phone calls between very large desks.
And another very important thing to keep in mind is that Israel would just dump the US and the West if pushed too hard from their perspective. And Russia and China would have absolutely no issue welcoming Israel with open arms into their camp, since not only don't they give a shit about genocide they would also salivate to get access to even a sliver of Israel's decades of military, technological and intelligence cooperation with the US and the West.
@@FelisImpurrator nah politics stops making sense when you erase ALL ideology from it. There's no reason for the democrats to be so complacent to the republicans for example. That's a strategy chosen out of ideology, not real politik
@@MarcieParcie I didn't say anything about anyone not having ideology, I said they weren't driven by morality. Of course it's ideologically driven, because clearly this isn't even ideal for personal or corporate profit anymore. But principles? Character? What a silly idea. Not even the average person is driven by anything so fantastical, let alone politicians. No, it's either perceived self-interest or dogma. We don't live in a moral universe.
Comparing the Gulf War to the Israel-Hamas War is ridiculous. For one the Gulf War was an army on army conflict where the United States only had to strike at military targets that were largely out in the open or in entrenched positions that could be identified. From a military sense Hamas basically occupy every single building in Gaza and the only way to make sure they're not there is to physically go house by house throughout Gaza and clear it.
A better comparison would be the United States and the 2nd Battle of Fallujah where the US had to also engage in a prolonged urban battle.
I still can't get over how young the Palestinian population is. 50% are under 18, 70% are under 30. Insane.
hard to dodge bombs your whole life
@@barcotics1880 Yeah. Heartbreaking.
"The US has warned Israel that a war in Lebanon may cause Iran to get involved"
They should warn Israel that the US could get involved, instead.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if they have. Unlike trump the current admin is capable of keeping things under raps so they may be doing more than we know (even if it clearly isn't enough)
I'd like to think "Not my Circus, Not my Monkeys" but it's my fucking Taxes funding this madness
It’s helping create jobs for engineers and technicians
@@anuragchakraborty8766 So did 9/11
@@anuragchakraborty8766 As if there are no other ways to create jobs for engineers and technicians than supporting ethno supremacists.
you still have to vote for biden
@mildass6173 No, you don't. Biden is a warmongering monster. The current day neoliberals are the Republicans of the 80s through the 2000s. I will not vote for Biden or Trump.
7:00 Vaush asking where it mentions settlements in the west bank, just after he ignored point 9 which mentioned ending settlements in the west bank.
2 states means 2 ethnostates. It means segregation. How about 1 state with a real Democracy? Where people have full citizenship and voting rights regardless of race or religion?
Christian ideology of pro israel-as-a-jewish-state is very very very strongly supported by the MAJORITY of the christian population in america and europe, unbeknownst to people who aren't serious christians.
Not that they bother about expressing it so you wouldn't think they are that committed, but at home they do express it.
too much bad blood at this point for that to happen.
@@latlatkoIs that based on what the actual majority of citizens believe?
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506Maybe religious freedom went a little bit too far. Just saying.
@@FelisImpurrator yeah, polls i've seen suggest that the a two state solution is the most popular among both Palestinians and Isrealis. all those polls were from before oct 7 so i can't imagine its much better now.
surprised its not just a blank sheet.
I wish we had leaders that actually cared about Palestine
The old folks have to... pass... before we get anyone who genuinely cares
Can't say I'd blame anybody who helps them move on.
Maybe Trump will save Palestinians🤷♂️
@@Horus070I agree 🤣
That's an incredibly delusional take. Trump wants Israel to be even more brutal @@Horus070
Aww, Ken Klipp was the entire reason the intercept was was good.
Israel should be expected to pay for reconstruction.
@@donovan4222 they'll probably build Jared Kushner's dream home.
For what it is worth, the two state solution has been the global standard for decades. If anything, an absolute one state solution favoring Israel overtaking that in popularity would be kind of new (and unfortunate).
Though it is has been kind of de facto.
Gotta disagree with Vaush's comparison between the Gulf War Coalition steamrolling the Iraqis vs the IDF struggling to take Gaza. Urban operations always bogs down the attackers no matter how advanced the attacking army is. The IDF got bogged down in Lebanon 1982, the US army in Hue City 1968, Germany in Stalingrad 1942, and more. It doesn't have to do with how fascist the upper brass is.
The reason advanced modern armies steamroll foes like Iraq and such is because it's often in more favorable terrain. It's likely if the weaker, poorly equipped Iraqi army just fortified Kuwaiti city, the Coalition would have taken several months to fight through the city.
Yup, the Gulf War was a traditional army on army conflict in open terrain, exactly what the US military circa 1991 was optimized for. The Iraqi military was basically like a 3rd rate version of the Red Army. And it bears no equivalence to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Gulf war was a clearly justified response to Iraq's unlawful invasion of Kuwait, probably the last US armed conflict with a clear justification. About the only modern conflict that is as clear as to which side is in the wrong is the Ukraine war, that is a clear case of Russia going "I want to make Ukraine Russia again", Russia had zero justification to invade Ukraine.
Vaush still the GOAT ❤
I remember in the 1980s, Arafat offered a two state solution. And Reagan rejected it.
A decade later, Arafat went to the Norwegians, to ask them to speak for Palestine.
The Norwegians were able to get Rabin to meet with Arafat. Rabin initially rejected Arafat's two state offer, but gradually came around to accept it.
Then the Americans took over from Norway, and started to make HUGE demands on the Palestinians.
At the same time, Rabin was killed by west bank settlers, for meeting with an arab.
After that it became Clinton looking for ways to humiliate Arafat, while Shamir, Sharone, and Natanyahu, clapped like trained seals.
Finally, Natanyahu became president, and forced Arafat to flee from Palestine.
Natanyahu then openly declared that there would never be a two state solution. And that there was only ONE state.
Greater Israel. From the Nile to the Euphrates.
Two-State Solution🎣🥕 I m so sick of US-Israeli lies…
The day America is not the worlds Superpower is the day Palstine gets free. America is the biggest obstical to this
Biden thankfully isn’t going to have a choice but to eventually recognize a Palestinian state.
Hezbollah is a political party with a militant wing. They dont conquer Lebanon because they already have a say in its governance and it would be unpopular.
Ya Beau of The Fifth Column already talked about this over a month ago.
Based beau referenced found
Beau makes too many excuses for Biden, couldn't watch anymore.
@@gnomatic
Beau doesn't make excuses for Biden, he just tells people the geopolitical realities. He knows how things like these go because he's experienced it. If anything, he's been one of the calmest and level headed voices on the Left in regards to Gaza.
Yeah, Biden's 3 part plan for enduring peace was already laid out by Beau of the Fifth Column like about 2 or so months ago.
@@ajiththomas2465na, he’s literally putting on a fake southern accent and performing apologia for genocide joe. His accent is as real as Joe Bidens care for Palestine.
"Journalists" after reading this: He didn't condemn Hamas in this enough. Doesn't he support Israel?
Malevolent incompetence!
Early watch party
The impracticality of a two state solution at this stage (in addition to its ethno state overtones) is insane
This is the guy we’re voting for? Gobless merica
Ain’t merica a great place! I sure do love their oligarc-I mean functioning democracy.
Nah… when Trump wins Palestinians will have a better chance
@@TheInSaNeTenno It's the best olimocracy on the planet, makes you want to make love to the flag doesn't it?
80 year US/Israel policy created this & it won't end for generations no matter who is in charge. Israel's right-wing government will make sure of it.
Proportional Representation when? But the orange skinned one sure as heck wouldn't be better on Palestine.
Did the unpopularity of Iraq and Afghanistan stop the wars? No. They were never popular
WTF
has he heard of the lebanese army that tries to hold equilibrium to Hezbollah? Has he ever watched operations room's secondary channel "Operation Iraqi Freedom - How NOT to Plan an Inavasion"?
Why doesn't anybody in chat correct him on these topics?
Desert storm was not the same as Iraqi freedom.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 i know, but the video contradicts the idea that the Pentagon and Oval Office like generals who do things by the book.
@@donovan4222 the same channel had the video "Irag War 2003 Explained Why Bush and Blair Attacked Iraq"
And to shine a light on the pentagons bad planning is no endorsement of the act. It's like saying: what went wrong in Operation Market Garden?
@@donovan4222 don't you endorse Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
safari ass fit
17:24 Revisionist Vaush??? 🤔🤔🤔
seems good but not as good as id' like it to be
...
Old intro was better.
No intro is even better..
1view in 30 seconds fell off or something
Based lmfao
2nd view, I am importsnt
Ok
Vaush acts like an expert on foreign affairs, what experience does he have besides a sociology degree?🤔
Tankie detected, opinion rejected
Sociology is pretty useful for understanding humans and in the end everything is the actions of humans. So ...
@@KVWI Criticizing your daddy makes me a tankie?🙄
Oh, so now ignore life experience and only focus on what an institution says somebody is qualified to speak about?
@@donovan4222nah, just the ones who Stan foreign imperialist nationalists just because they oppose the US
They would throw you off a roof in any Middle Eastern country Vaush.
By Middle East you mean Israel.
@@voltage80x
So you can't even defend your position? Pathetic.
@@jeffgojail I’ve been around the Middle East. Was never thrown off roof. I’m a white man of similar build to Voosh. I have never been to Israel- so you must mean people are thrown off roofs there.
Why won’t Israel marry gay couples? They must hate and thrown them off things huh?
So queer Palestinians just don't exist apparently? Ones who have nothing to do with hamas or any hatred? Hm? HMMM?
@@voltage80xNo, he means that Islamist fundamentalists have a habit of murdering their queer leftist allies. Look up the essay, “Gert Albartus is dead”, for an account of the leader of the the left-wing German Red Army Faction who was killed by pro-Palestine terrorist Carlos the Jackal for being gay. Cozying up to ultra-fundamentalist misogynists is a mistake gay leftists like Vaush have made time and again.
No mention of a Palestinian right of return = no deal.
Sorry but any deal is going to need isreali approval. It sucks but if your goal for peace requires something that one side won't accept we won't get peace.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 continued occupation isn't peace. only a zionist would argue otherwise.
@@donovan4222 no because Ukraine is in a position to win and Russia is unequivocally the aggressor. The primary concern in Isreal Palestine is to stop civilians being killed and unfortunately that requires compromise.
@@andrewgreenwood9068 "Russia is unequivocally the aggressor"
How many decades of history are you ignoring to pretend that Israel is different in this regard?
@@andrewgreenwood9068 Compromise between a nukual superpower vs litteraly the poorest people on earth. Palsisitnes have litteraly nothing more then can give up no homes no resources all they have is there lives
The IDF has very poor discipline
@@donovan4222They could do it while looking a lot less bad.
@@donovan4222"Most moral army in history"
That's because most aren't actual soldiers. Have you seen these guy's ranks? They will have 24 year old Sgt. Majors. That makes no sense.
@@counselorguy5481they're soldiers. Quit coping
Wow! Talk about an understatement!!
Kenny Klipps is the man. He is THAT dude. He is him.
He is not "just like me", it is I who is like him
When this conflict finally calms downs and Israel doesn't lose anything, I hope people here won't forget how terrible Biden handled this and how he continues to both sides it. Biden ain't both sidesing the Ukraine-Russia war.
Isn't the point to help Palestinians, not hurt Isreal?
Different conflict, different issues. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is "both sided" because you're not going to tell a nuclear armed first world country that "you no longer have a right to exist"
Don’t be stupid. Biden is the best president we could have had in charge of the American response to this debacle
To be fair you can't say Biden is both-siding, he is very clearly with Israel. But remember, privately he is very mad
He should both side ukro-russo conflict though.
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*principles smh
9 state solution, take it or leave it.
I mean, unironically, how the heck is the discontiguous Gaza + West Bank under 1 gov't situation supposed to work? Did we learn nothing from East & West Pakistan??
@@crash.override most plans do outline road access through isreal to connect the two.(either one main road or some times a couple even in the Trump era policy plan) but the thing about pakistan was that it was a military dictatorship(at that point) that hated bengalis and wanted to rule over them or if they couldnt then destroy them that wouldnt be true for the PA. Like gazans and west bank residents are same ethnically and mostly the same when it comes to religion.
West Bank? More like West Balkans, let's go
You trust a leaked document to twitler?
I gotta say, while I admire Vaush's patriotism, the idea America can do whatever it wants militarily because it's so big and strong is sort of counter reality to every fucking war since...what? Ww2?
free 🍉
It doesn't matter what deals the US proposes when both Netenyahu and Hamas are rejecting any deal out of hand. The two state solution has been the standard policy towards the conflict from Democratic presidents since Clinton. Netenyahu needs to go for there to be any chance at a long term ceasefire, that means getting 4 MKs in his governing coalition to abandon him
Hamas have agreed to any deal that results in a permanent ceasefire. It's Israel who wants to continue the genocide.
Burlington
The british could not get rid of the IRA in ireland .. i see the same happening
The IRA became irrelevant and faded into obscurity after the good friday agreement, many of the less radical members became politicians. A peaceful 2 state solution for Israel and Palestine would likely do the same to Hamas. The problem is, the main players on each side of the conflict currently have no desire to negotiate any peace treaty, but Israel absolutely has the capability to level Gaza to the ground and turn it into settlements, an outcome any rational person would rather avoid.
Ok, any of you political peeps: How would a three state solution work? That would be a free Gaza and a free separate West Bank
Na we need a 4th state for the Armine Christians, If anybody is half Palestine half Israeli they don't get any state they have to leave and go to Finland this is clearly the simplest solution. Also why not a left handed state? were everything in it is made for left handed people 1 state per person is also a good idea not sharing a state with my twin sister
the secret to understanding the midle east is this. the shia stand where the oil is. this is as true for israel's friends as it is in saudia arabia. the last 100 years of history has been aimed at keeping the shia from their oil, for the shia, unlike the sunis, have a pope that can act as unified trusted arbitrator.
15:50 professional army vs conscript army
The IDF's capabilities have always been exaggerated.
@@mrvwbug4423that's cap
Major cap@@mrvwbug4423
Honestly idk how egypt and israel aren't currently enemies now with the way israel has been treating them
Because neither wants that conflict. It would make the casualties in Gaza so far look irrelevant.
why does it look like Vaush is wearing a IDF uniform here lmao. the jewlumi got to him
After decimating the Palestinian population …. Palestinian HOLOCAUST
decimating? there are 6 million Palestinians outside of Gaza !
can you like please not sound like you sound excited about this outcome
@@smkh2890why are you trying to downplay genocide
@@Gambit0590 it’s not a genocide, that’s why. 6 million Palestinians live in Jordan and Judea. Gaza was given over to the Palestinians to self-govern, they were given millions in aid, and all they can do is buy arms and try to wipe out the Jews.
@@smkh2890 How is Gaza govermned by Hamas can they drink rainwater can they go fishing in what was are they the government not Isreai? All Hamas did was say we will be armed resistance so Isreai doesn't build settlements here. How is Hams a government on paper or in practice there not. There in Jordan because Isreai said to them leave the country or die that's why there in Jordan not Isreai
I am not an expert in foreign policy by any stretch, but my gut reaction to peace in Gaza has been that a Two-State Solution is more of a pat on the back for the US than a real solution. Obviously, the Palestinian state is going to still be heavily disadvantaged against the Israeli state and its ties to the US. Obviously, the institutional discrimination will endure.
Because I'm such a novice, I'm not proposing an alternative solution. Maybe this is the best solution in a terrible array of options, but it just doesn't sit right with my gut. 🫤
A one state solution might be viable after like... a century of peace and reconciliation. Until then, a two state (or more likely three state) solution is needed for now.
@@MomirViggwilvThree? Are you including an “independent” Jerusalem under UN administration??
@@rockmycd1319 Indipendent West Bank and indipendent Gaza. Getting the PLO and Hamas to work together is foolish, as is trying to administer a territory so isolated. It would be a Pakistan-Bangladesh situation.
Ideally we get our leaders to treat them well enough that they become another western ally in the middle east and they get all the benefits that entails.
@@MomirViggwilv You mean like when Pakistan made war on Bangladesh, their Moslem brothers, and india had to intervene?
Better to close down GAza and have one contiguous Arab zone.