They Should Probably Ban Smartphones In Schools
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But Vaush, if you ban smartphones from school, how will students get their last words to their parents before dying in one of our many school shootings?
Such a niche problem even here in america to worry about compared to the social media and screen obsession
Given how many people are radicalised online, and by the effects of being online such as isolation, this might actually solve both problems.
You joke, but I had a student legit make this argument to me
Unironically flip phones
They should learn penmanship and write a goodbye letter
Vaush watching his viewer base get halved when this policy gets implimented
😂
It’s in the UK, so he’d probably be happy about it.
The VIRGIN *"phone in school"* fan VS the CHAD *"PSP in class"* enjoyer
I remember playing monhun in the back of my bio class one day and accidentally unmuted it and the sound of Akantor echoed throughout the room as the teacher was giving a lesson. That was a panic moment right there.
@@YepmyaccountThat’s so funny.
Making Flipnote Studio animations on a DSi in class was basically an ascended version of distracted doodling
I remember getting max starts on GTA Vice City on my PSP back in school
Switch and playing breath of the wild was goated
Phones in class is bad, but obviously not the most fundamental issue with the school system.
Probably the quickest and easiest solution to improve schools is to ban them. Yes, more things need to change, but banning them vastly improves mental health and performance
It's a big one.
It’s absolutely a MAJOR one. Students are practically illiterate at this point.
@kevinjohnanand have you been in a school recently? It's nit that big an issue
@@tabithal2977 I teach in a school. It's a massive issue. Are you in high school or something?
I’m bummed out by how much of the conversation here ignores how these apps have been specifically engineered by world class scientists to be as *addicting as possible*.
To what degree is this an issue if you don’t allow this? Willing to bet you’d see a change in those margins.
Agreed. Banning phones is like teaching abstinence only sex-ed, it's a very controlling move that might be coming from good intentions but isn't really solving anything.
If we want to fix issues with the internet, schooling, etc, we should target a specific issue and work at it, instead of just trying to blanket ban things
@@kneesnap1041false equivalence
really, what do you need a phone for in class
Ok but how? How are you going to separate these addiction forming designs from product development?
That's near impossible to legislate
@@WeenusMcMenace-dm6ep Legislation of algorithmically served content would go a long way. I'd start with having legislation that makes sure the user is in control of what content they see, and is given access to a key summary of data points collected about them, with the ability to remove, modify, and add data points as they see fit. Right now we don't have any insight into how the services we use are treating us. The more transparency & user power we legislate into these systems, the less they control our lives, and we start to control them.
Not saying it'd be easy, but as a software engineer the way to solve this is not technical, it's legal. Let's get some digital rights, similar to our existing civil rights.
@@WeenusMcMenace-dm6ep I mean, that is a job for the experts really, but I imagine we would need to regulate recommendation algorithms. Honestly, in my ideal world, you could control what data is used for your recommendations. So you can choose to give the algorithm access to your watch history, your location, your liked videos list, etc., or just one of those, or none of those.
I’m a lifeguard manager at work and I can say first hand that the biggest hurdle of lifeguarding isn’t the training or the responsibility, it’s the fact that you have to go 30 minutes to 2 hours without stimulation. More life guards quite over boredom or get fired for sneaking earbuds than any other type of infraction
A lifeguard having one earbud in shouldn't be an issue and shouldn't be something an employer can stop. As long as whatever is playing isn't so loud they can't do their job, it shouldn't be an issue. Are you saying that employer wouldn't hire a deaf person? Can only completely able bodied people be lifeguards? If a deaf person can do a job, a hearing person with one ear being occupied can do that same job.
@@Blue-EyesWhitePrivilege "Are you saying that employer wouldn't hire a deaf person? Can only completely able bodied people be lifeguards?"
Uh, to be fair though...yes, of course lol
Like, sorry to burst your bubble, but a life-guard who can't hear if someone is shouting for help is not made for that job. A firefighter in a wheelchair also couldn't do their job properly. That's kind of the point.
@@Blue-EyesWhitePrivilegeman... of course they dont hire deaf people to be lifeguards. Neither is that ableist. You can probably still work at the pool or beach if you are deaf, but you won't be a lifeguard.
And its the kinda job where headphones would be a genuine thing you shouldn't have on, unlike some jobs where they just do it for fun.
Can't even just have one in, incase mofokkers be drownin on that side
@@Blue-EyesWhitePrivilege Do you think every drowning person is capable of shouting for help loudly and clearly? The job title is "LIFE GUARD", yet you're arguing they should be allowed entertainment while keeping dozens of people alive? This isn't talking about whether a cashier should get a chair or not, this is life and death.
Me: listening to Vaush saying people need constant distraction nowadays while playing a game on my switch while also at work
I will look at the video for three seconds, then scroll through then comments, then look back up at the video, rinse, repeat
Hey me too. Playing the new Paper Mario.
@@Tecrusthe old new paper Mario, or the new old paper Mario?
@bobspldbckwrds new, TTYD. Haven't play Origami King. I don't really like the other Paper Mario games except 64 and TTYD.
@@Tecrus I've always just missed out on the paper Mario games, but I'm glad it's enjoyable.
I mean having smartphones in school was fine in my era. That isn’t the issue. The issue is people being obsessed with social media since algorithms are made to keep you on platforms all day.
If you're old enough to have had smartphones as a kid, then you're old enough to have had social media
Ok, let them have flip phones, then.
No that isn't a issue. You can't people from being in social media
Then smartphones are the problem? They cant access social media in school without it. They banned them in my country.
The... the social media bit is what makes smartphones in particular so bad for attention spans. Its that and games too. I was good to a point but even shit like Flappy Bird would sneak up and take advantage of "senioritis" lmao
As someone who is admittedly phone obsessed, I would say strictly enforce phone cubbies
That’s a you problem don’t put it on the rest of us
Cubbies 🥺
@@cameronokeefe8446 What the fk does that even mean? You do realize that yes you have a problem if you can't have your phone out of your reach for a few hours at a time?
@@cameronokeefe8446Jesus Christ Cameron it isn’t that big of a deal. In fact it sounds like a you problem as well. Go poop or do a chore without bringing your phone with you. I dare you.
@@Khalkara Wym what does it mean? How slow are you. I personally am not addicted to my phone and it was never an issue for me. Work on reading comprehension
I’ve been teaching middle schoolers since lockdown and I’ve always had a phone box for my students the second we started back in person. I keep it on my desk with the key on my person. They get it back when the bell rings OR if they complete their work for the day. It was hard for them to adjust at first. But over time I noticed that they become more social and their grades improve. It’s works for me. So imma continue doing it
Dumb decision by a dumb teacher
That's what I had teaching middle school, and the difference between the middle schoolers and the junior high schoolers who were allowed to keep their phones was huge!
We already do that here in Australia.
All phones are locked in a safe by the teacher of the class and given back to them at the end of the school day.
Dawg i don't know what school you're in, here in Queensland they do not do that.
Damn, I'm jealous as fuck. I wish we could do that here. Parents would throw a fit though.
me liking this comment knowing full well i'd hate my teachers if they did this
@@dreamusmenus3759 maybe it was just a Melbourne thing then? I dunno, I know all the schools I did Janitor work at had phone safes though, even the high schools.
@@Yepmyaccount Yeah the usual arguments came up like “What if I need to contact my kid in an emergency?” The counter argument being “Uhhh… call the school to get your kid for you then maybe?”
I dunno. I’m sure I would have hated being without my phone during class too, but most of my time in class as a kid/teen was spent drawing or creative writing instead of the schoolwork anyway, so it’s not like there was gonna be much difference anyway.
Just about everyone in my highschool had a smartphone, me too, I barely used mine because it had a bad battery. But my grades were still horrible.
The issue is that the current way we approach teaching students isn't working.
Just about every school district is DESPERATE for teachers, the bar to become a teacher has been lowered so much because nobody WANTS to be a teacher.
I was lucky enough to have a few passionate teachers. My math teacher taught an AP class with 12 students and basic math with 40. The overfilled classroom was a disaster, one student lit his hoodie on fire
One of the big issues is class sizes are too big. You can't teach 30 people at once. It should be about 14-18.
It's less about how bad the schools are, (which they are in a lot of places) and more the fact that early phone use and all the apps designed for maximum addiction can cause serious behavioral problems in the long run, like affecting attention spans.
@@jr8554 Classes too big, wages too low, workload too high. Same problems here in Australia. We treat teachers like shit and then act surprised when no one wants to be one.
@@AzureDragon158same in the uk, it’s happening everywhere
A teacher at the high school I went to years ago just made national headlines quitting after 11 years because he couldn't get his students to get off their phones despite numerous attempts.
Sounds like a bad teacher.
@@communistpropagandist4608I know a lot of teachers and I don't know any who say that cell phones haven't become one of the biggest problems and barriers to student success. What lesson can compete with a mobile game? someones favorite youtuber? funny jokes from their friends? There is no teacher good enough to overcome that competition.
@@communistpropagandist4608 Sounds like a bad principal. A good principal would realise he's gonna lose passionate teachers if he doesn't listen to their complaints and give them the tools/authority needed to solve the issue.
@@korganrocks3995 sounds like you didn't actually ready comment
@@communistpropagandist4608 You sound like someone who isn't a teacher. Do you have any idea what it's like to talk to a room full of people day in and day out like you're talking to a wall?
If a teacher doesn't want a student to have their phone out, that's a rule the teacher can enforce.
Sounding like a boot licker
I was chronically online since I was 10 or something, and I somehow dodged any kind of grooming, despite hanging out in anime and gaming forums.
Maybe it's because I still came from time when the no. 1 advice online was to never use your real name or give away personal info. So potential groomers couldn't even know I'm underage, and obviously had no photos or anything like that of me.
I miss AIM
Yo they were good times, and somehow 4chan wasn't completely insane.
I learned rational thinking from the atheist experience.
And not in school. its so sad
Vaush shitting on his fans is a time-honored tradition.
I didn't have access to a computer until I was 12 and I'm still socially maladjusted and fucked up checkmate
Same.
At my school we turned in our phones at the beginning of the day and got them back after. It was great and I had no issue with it. Imo it should be the standard
I would have loved that, for all the benefit phones brings there have been just too many people completely zoomed out on their phone, like damn I just wanted to talk to people but they were too busy staring at instagram or whatever
You’re soft in the head
giving your phone to someone else is... so scary to me though
like, you're trusting a teacher to give you your phone back? you're trusting all the other students to not pretend your phone is theirs and take it home for a day and impersonate you on social media? or read all your private DMs? what if someone calls you and the teacher hears it and picks up and makes fun of you in front of whoever just called you? or what if there is a fire evacuation exercise and then they just forget to give everyone their phones back?
before you say im addicted btw: at our school you did have to hand in your phone, but if you were caught using it, and that was so terrifying for me that i never risked getting caught for the full 6 years i went to that school
if this was implemented at my school i would just stop bringing my phone to school at all because I. Am. Not. Giving. It. To. A. Stranger.
@@fghsgh There are ways of implementation that might alleviate those issues, like class specific lockers or something. My school was pretty small, we put all the phones in a box at the front office with the school secretary. At the end of the day you just went and rummaged for yours and with only a couple hundred that’s ok but definitely not a great system for larger schools. Hardly any issues happened, I don’t remember anyone losing or stealing a phone except as a friendly joke. I appreciated the atmosphere of the school and the lack of phones, but the implementation would need some refining for it to become a national standard thing.
Also, most of the issues you mentioned are symptoms of a low trust society and point out all the inherent dangers in the current culture.
@@danielricciardo7251 see i wouldn't trust it at anything over... 5 people maybe
it might not even be malice! Could be the teachers being incompetent and forgetting to give them back, or a student taking your phone because it looks similar to theirs. And people don't understand how much i care, so i cannot trust them to take me into account (some childhood trauma may be relevant here)
When I was in highschool I got my first smartphone. If you were caught using it twice during a lesson you'd lose it for the entire day.
We were allowed to listen to music during self study, but never allowed to just be on our phone. It makes no sense to allow phones during class.
As someone with a bachelor’s in education, YES. Good lord, YES. I didn’t get a smartphone until I was 15 and was better for it.
No amount of Artificial Intelligence can make up for the abundance of Natural Stupidity 😕
Especially after air pods and shit came out, literally everyone at my highschool would just be on there phones and not paying attention. It was actually painful to watch the teacher ask questions and literally everyone in class besides me didn't hear her
sounds like an awful teacher.
Sounds like you're gonna have less competition for jobs
I think I'm with Vaush on this one. I'm in my mid 20s and didn't have a smart phone until I was in my last year of highschool. But now I've been using it non stop for nearly a decade and have definitely noticed a dependency on it and a rising level of attention deficit
As someone 11 years older than Vaush I always enjoy him going full old man. I do think there is something to the idea of constant simulation being bad, Vertasium or someone had a video on the benefit of periodic boredom.
Nah, having to deal with this nonsense years ago, it's just hatred of young people and bitter boomer types taking out their frustrations on teens.
@@fluffynator6222
Pbbffft! Ha! Your problems are laughable. Come back to this thread when you have more hair in other places. If you even have the attention span to remember to do so that is! 🤣
Veritasium is a hack but otherwise I agree
@@fluffynator6222 I've been back to school as an adult after not finishing it while younger, most of my schoolmates are older people and they're the same if not worse than teenagers in the smartphone department, working with them is unbearable because they'll check whatsapp/other social media every little chance they get, making them really hard to work with especially on group projects.
It's not a young person thing, brother.
@@sjenkins91812
So what about "years ago" didn't you understand exactly? Im in my 20s. 🤦
There is a problem with phones, but that's mostly with the algorithms and hyper-attention-optimized games/experiences. If we had the balls to ban social media for under 18s or under 16s, and also tackle the hyper-addictive games/videos, we would not even need to consider a phone ban.
Ngl, they should teach how to use a smartphone to learn in school, and utilize the technology productively OR if not in use, lock em away in class.
I’m a teacher. Trust me. These things need to be fully banned in all schools. It’s way worse than you can possibly imagine.
When I was in HS 2009-2013 if you had your phone out the teacher took it and they gave it back at the end of the school day. Seems like a completely fair system then and still to this day.
uh.. can't you just have the teacher put all of the students' phones away at the beginning of class and then give it back to them at the end of it? My school had a wooden box in every classroom that the teacher passed around the class at the beginning, and any kid who refused to hand over their phone was removed from the classroom and their parent was informed about the fact that their kid refused to follow the rule.
Yeah, that's banning smart phones in schools. Essentially.
@@Khalkara oh what? What a weird way to phrase it then.
@@TheLeafcuter I don't see how it weird. When people say banning smart phones they mean ban [the usage of] smart phones.
Just like when (left leaning) people say: We want free healthcare. What they mean is: Free [at the point of service] healthcare.
@Khalkara hm I mean I guess when you put it that way it makes more sense. I guess, for me at least the word ban is a lot stronger and makes it sound like they mean "no phones at all not even during recess/lunch", or even "if we see a phone on school grounds we're confiscating it until the end of the day/week and you have to go all the way to the administration to get it back."
Which I think is ridiculous considering not only the fact that they're used as clocks, calendars, notebooks and as, well, phones, but also because why take it away during leasure time?
But taking phones away during class makes perfect sense and I think it's weird that some schools don't
I suggested this to a teacher when I was in HS bc I was tired of her complaining about the underclassmen. She basically said we can’t do that bc it’s a theft liability. If another student stole another phone at the point of collection, I guess she or the school was gonna be accountable for it???
The number of people ADDICTED to their phones in the comments just kind of proves the point 🤣
People are addicted to dozens of things doesn't mean they should be banned
@@lokimiguel2452 they should be banned during school
@@lokimiguel2452No one's saying phones should be banned 😂 They're saying if you're a student, put the F*CKING phone down and pay attention in class
@@ksay47 they shouldn't be. What if a school shooting happens? Or something happens when they go from school to home or vice versa
@@afterhourscinema782 then put them all on a shelf during class not ban them entirely smug idiot.
They've had this implemented in a few Australian states for a while now and its honestly been fine. It generally seems that teachers like it, students are annoyed but fine, and it doesn't generally make any difference in performance. But still seems overall like a good change.
Vaush is in his boomer dad arc and we hate to see it
Most of what's on the internet is designed to make people passive consumers. I miss the old IRC channels and web-forums.
yea, i miss AIM and my neopets restocker community and restock chats
I'm 40. Born in 1984. People did not SIT DOWN to listen to radio. People DID use portable tape and CD players in schools. Vaush is a zoomer with no idea about the 80's and 90's.
Indeed. Esspecially with. the 1600s kid thing. Imagining they wouldn't try to find a stick and hoop to play with while they wait, or wouldn't go sneaking into some local buissness to cause some trouble.
People have always been sensory seeking. And while our society has phones, it's just a change in the types of sensory experiences we have.
And he’s here to preach to US lmao
It comes from the household. Parents are bad. No amount of school reform and phone bans will help, until parents start parenting.
I've done some substitute teaching, and for sure ban phones.
it was bad enough when I was in school and teachers were just allowed to take away anything you brought out in class for as long as they wanted.
now that it's customary to give them back, it's crazy bad.
that, or let teachers just straight up expel students from class more easily, maybe just have a Middle School / high School age daycare section of the school where you can peacefully fail all of your classes and let the people that are trying to learn actually learn, instead of having the teacher spend 75% of class trying to get people to get off their phones or shut up.
Go get some Canadian healthcare💀💀
Phones were banned in my grade school and I only had a trash laptop. I still came out a complete dumbass
I’m a high school teacher, and I’m of the belief that if a student doesn’t want to learn, they won’t learn. Banning smartphones won’t make students pay attention in class or do their work. They’ll draw, or sleep, or talk to their classmates, or any number of other things to avoid learning.
It's wild the comments are ignoring that he's specifying smartphones. Like...flip phones are still a thing.
As an older millennial, I'd sooner go without a cell phone rather than return to flip/dumb phones.
@@carnybusiness7432 I am talking specifically regarding schools banning smartphones
@@Dragonspeak30 Sure, but keep in mind texting addiction was a thing even during the flip phone era, so making a school ban specific to just smartphones wouldn't necessarily solve the problem.
@@carnybusiness7432 Obviously that's where the parents need to play their part. So much of this wouldn't be as bad an issue if parents just...you know, parented.
My former stepfather had a radio in every room in the house including the bathroom and when he was home there was always at least one of them on.
I'd argue this is a discussion one decade too late, especially as an adult who was part of that first generation that "grew up with smartphones." Unless social media has drastically evolved in the decade since I was in high school (which, btw, the damaging effects of social media was also a discussion back then) I don't see why this issue would be much worse now.
i’m a gen z teacher. last year i was at a district that allowed phones and they were the biggest issue. i had students in my class who would watch anime every day and i couldn’t really do anything about it bc we weren’t allowed to take them. so many students simply did not hand in work bc they never paid attention. this year i am at a school where students can only keep phones in their locker and it is such a huge improvement. in comparison i very rarely catch students on their phones in class and the amount of students engaged and handing in work is much improved.
Literally the reason why sea shanties exist as musical genre is because sailors would sing them to pass the time during their grueling work
My high school treated cell phones like drugs
Kinda justified ngl
So that's why they call it high school, huh
@@kasane1337 ayyyoooo
Hell yes, phone addicts can seethe
I’m a phone addict and I agree
@@siaj92Phone pick me
L lemming
YES! Replace smartphones with laptops. More powerful, more useful at doing home/classwork, more readable, and 100% more visible. Don't even need good spec, my first laptop is Acer Aspire One bought on my money. Carries me through elementary and middle school. I don't even get my first phone until highschool.
The solution is to fix the education system. Give them a reason to not want to pull out their phones. The solution isn’t to ban them from bringing a non-dangerous item in an environment they aren’t allowed to leave. When I was in middle school I was allowed to use my phone in multiple classes, but nobody ever did because the teachers knew how to teach in an effective and engaging way. You shouldn’t NEED to ban phones. Phones aren’t even the issue.
Yeah, from my experience the public education system is built for people who are barely sentient, you receive like 10 minutes worth of work per hour and a half class period if you aren't taking a college level class or math class. Half the class ends up done in
This. So much this.
Lmao, this is so out of touch it's unreal.
@@Yepmyaccount Are you referring to my take or Vaush’s? If you’re referring to mine, could you explain why?
@@siohunndai phones are an issue, bad teaching is an issue, its not one or the other. but students being bored in class is a tale as old as time, its not anything new, phones have made it worse.
i see your point, but i got bullied in school by teachers and everyone that watched it denied it was happening. it wasnt until i recorded these incidents that my parents were able to step in. afterwords the school banned recording and taking photos as a direct consequence.
teachers get away with a lot less now that everyone has a camera on them.
I actually agree, thought I feel like it’s 42nd on a list of a hundred different things that need to take place to “fix” our lagging schools
Banning smart phones in schools is impractical and unfeasible. What they should do is enforce phone cubbies or areas in classrooms where students put their phones until class is over.
Or just make the whole classroom a Faraday cage, lmao.
So phone ban during class time? Cool.
So long as there's clear punishment for breaking it there's no issue
No it’s not. It’s no different than banning anything else in school.
How is it impractical/unfeasible? You don't need a phone at all while you're at school.
In my school, we would put them away when we were coming in and take them after class (or with the teacher's permission)
My mom who is a high school teacher said they were going to ban / highly regulate phones in school next year
I grew up in a country where the principal took everyone's phones in the morning after the school prayer (the whole school does the prayer outside so it was convenient). I moved from Greece to Belgium and I was shocked that we could just have our phones in our pockets.
imagine pulling up a study that disputes your position and then ignoring it just to run with your original take. I think running into contrary info on this should have given vaush some pause
I reckon ban em just to annoy the youth
Yeah Vaush has been having more ass takes recently
How many times did me and my fellow students take photos of a presentation/page/etc and then never look at the pictures
12:15 I have a friend who does this exact thing; he literally cannot accept that what his parents did to him was abuse or even abusive.
I mean, schools already restrict the use of phones to verying degrees. Like, you get in trouble for using it during classes.
Bro is flailing
It’s wild how 15 years ago if a teacher so much as caught a glimpse of your phone it was taken from you and now they’ll be actively on it during class.
Seems like adults got addicted around the same time and the rules were based off of that 👀
Integrate the phone into the lesson then. Let people use calculators or Wikipedia and grade them on being able to apply and synthesize the lesson instead of how well they can regurgitate something from memory. "You can look up all the information in this entire history exam, but every question is an analytical essay that tests your critical thinking instead of your ability to rattle off dates." "Sure, you can use a calculator in math class, but you have to show the process you used to get to the answer."
Let people incorporate educational videos or something into class discussions. Make lessons engaging enough that people don't have dead time to just tune out and check twitter.
Yes, this involves more work on the teachers' part. The solution there is to pay them more.
I'm saying this as someone who grew up without a phone is school (Thanks poverty)
...I genuinely function better with a phone available than without.
When I was in school, if I wasn't interested in the classwork then I'd just mentally clock out and stare at a wall for the next 40 minutes as the teacher talked.
Afterwards when I got a phone and was in higher education, I was able to focus by just popping on a playlist, and if the coursework demanded it then I could actually look stuff up.
Because a part of what breaks my ability to focus is not being sure of something and the teacher's off doing God knows what, so I can't ask them for help!
Vaush we absolutely grew up playing the radio in our house while doing chores, this is madness the idea that we wouldn't.
Unrelated but I had to get my phone battery replaced today, and spent my phone free time eating rice and searching for the bathroom for a full hour.
Can’t sit still for an hour, but I can def get confused and walk around in that time.
22:23 Me listening to this entire video on 2X while I make a sandwich and eat it.
To be fair, I'm an older millennial for whom the internet was something I didn't have access to until I was ~12yo and even then it was only seated AT a pc, having music playing while I do chores has been a staple in my life. Pre and post smartphone era. But I do think that your phone should be a tool for when you are away from your home. Map app for directions, messaging to stay in touch with non-urgent messages, phone calls for urgent communication. Its about being present in what you are doing while you are doing it.
I'm old. The teachers of my generation worked out really quick that a Tamagotchi was too distracting in class and banned them pretty much immediately.
Compared to the engineering that's gone into making smartphones addictive to use a Tamagotchi is _nothing_ - smartphones are way worse. Give a kid today a Tamagotchi from when I was a kid and they'd chuck it out for being boring because they've normalized to the level of engagement offered by smartphones.
Absolutely ban smartphones in schools.
This is completely stupid. No you shouldn't ban phones when they have more utilical and practical use than anything you mentioned
Utical @@lokimiguel2452
Yes and I got distracted having novels with me. Should we ban books?
@@lokimiguel2452 The cons of phone outway the pros in my opinion. While the pros do very much exist, I think the modern usage of smartphones is a huge detriment to society. I would love to converse with more people throughout my day but when I look over and they're just staring dead-eyed at their smartphone, its fucking dystopian
@fluffynator6222 I would read in class sometimes. My teachers would tell me to put it away and that it's no different than being on your phone. At the time I was annoyed but now I'm slightly older and can see quite obviously why I was told to not read an irrelevant book in the middle of class
The irony of me (and let's be honest, half of everyone here) listening to this while doing chores is absolutely absurd 😂
me watching this while doing daily's in my slop forever RPG game thinking like "mmh am I the thing he is currently describing?"
Bro, i spend my entire school life with teachers not wanting calculators. We had phones. But they weren't smart phones. Just a phone to phone and text people
I work in a government facility and up until recently you were completely disallowed from bringing a Camera phone onto base. Even now if you take any pictures, you get, like, black bagged so you have to be very careful with your phone usage. I don’t like the policy or its enforcement, but I will say I think it’s done good things exclusively for my attention span. Vaush might be cooking but enforcement is the bugbear here
Ok, hot take here but phones can be more educational than actual classes. I used to review my French back in HS math class and look at me now, been using French and German at work because I knew how to allocate what's essentially robbed time with classes. Like don't tell me you liked every class in high school or even uni because that's a lie.
Highschool and uni classes kicked ass what are you talking about? And I did all maths and sciences basically. But French kicked ass too, regret not taking it at uni tho
@@bibsp3556 Might just be a me thing, but I heavily leaned towards humanities and hated everything that had to do with numbers. Uni was alright though.
@@Aadrian7 well there's ya problem! Humanities can be fun, but there's also a lot more writing lol
Chat should watch Healthy Gamer gg. Dr. K talks about this a lot, how people's minds can no longer tolerate moderate boredom and how asking someone to give up bringing their smartphone to the toilet is like the worse thing imaginable to their brains.
I'm 29, born and raised and currently living in rural TX. I learned way more from using my smartphone than by paying attention in class and I was an AP student. I was late-diagnosed with ADHD a couple years ago and I suspect I'm also on the Autism spectrum. Having a smartphone in school and at home saved my life. I wasn't getting the accommodations I needed for a long time. My smartphone was all I had.
Kinda similar story here.
Living in rural Poland I've learned english not in school(where most of classes were just psychological torture) but by playing old cRPGs and listening to music.
And a week of watching chemistry channels on youtube gave me more information than 6 YEARS of extremely boring classes with the most uncharismatic teacher imagined.
I’m all for putting phones in a class locker. I’m a year older than Vaush, I either didn’t have a phone in school because they didn’t exist for mass consumption yet or they SUCKED until late high school. You really don’t need them. Pay attention and learn something, damn.
Its really ass that you kinda need to have a smartphone to communicate with people. I was the kid with the feature phone 10-15 years ago and it was already a shitty experience then
But you don't, though. You really don't. You're just so accustomed to communicating with smartphones that you think there's no other way to talk to people.
@@matthewcaldwell8100 I have a smartphone, but constantly feel like a Boomer because my primary method of communication on my phone is text messaging (well, it's technically RCS messaging, but still). People have really just let platform-locked apps replace the built-in features of the devices they buy.
What if Snapchat stops working one day?
went to highschool at 2010 to 2014 and they banned smartphones 😂
was this not everyone else?
I get what you mean completely. I’m only a few years younger than you, so I also grew up with smart phones when I was a teenager. I made a personal point to always put my phone away during school hours and I think it helped me a lot. I also put that into practice when I was in college (late 2010’s-early 2020’s), but less so. I think covid really did me in in terms of craving that stimulation. That’s when the apps converted to more of a constant scrolling model imo.
Instead of banning phones, schools should just have cell phone jammers.
Teachers throwing Metal Gear chaff grenades into classrooms.
The teacher entering the class room, tossing an EMP grenade in front of them:
I like the idea, cuz its more definitive. But its also 100% a bad idea cuz it blocks emergency calls that may be necessary at some point.
To fit the stereotype, I'm watching this video at 1.5x speed
My phone was the only thing that allowed me to learn anything meaningful in high school, so no
i didnt have any kind of phone in school and i learned an exact 0 amount of information from there
ppl like to blame being distracted on phones but u can be distracted by literally anything if u dont care about the lessons
i just slept in class and stared at the clock without listening
ok
@@MrMerve-tl9my yea
1962 French speaking english.
I think it would be easier and more reasonable to just get the Dragonballs and wish for change.
Tinnitus ruined my ability to not listen to shit. I miss silence. White noise is as close as I get
Over here, if you get caught on your phone during a class session; the teacher takes your phone away & you can pick it back up in the director's office whilst bringing along your parent/s at the end of the week.
No one used to use phones during class.
When i was in middle school in the uk we had to hand our phones in to the front office at the beginning of the day & could get them back at the end of the day & when i moved to high school we were expected to have the self discipline to not use them in class
Hey don’t call me out doing dishes with RUclips in the background 😂😂
I think internet is really important and good in some people’s lives and development in my ability to talk to others online in a way I could never get in real life. Though basic internet safety isn’t actually taught in schools which is a huge problem. For me we were pretty much just taught if you don’t use the internet than you can’t get attacked.
vanish: don't listen to entertainment podcasts at 2x speed, it'll help with focusing and eating habits
me, listening to this video at 2x speed having just finished a binge and procrastinating on my homework:
*vaush god i'm stupid
The chatters arguing gives off the same energy as people who get all pissy when people talk about things like cigarettes or soda being bad for you. “I’m not problematic for having unhealthy habits, you’re problematic for calling my habits unhealthy.”
As someone who has adhd and had a smartphone pretty early on like right at the time when the iphone 5 came out. We had them on us but whe didnt use them the whole day and most days I just left the phone at home. We could listen to music while on art class and that was nice. But the things I hear especially from the us, sounds like total chaos.
I'm sitting here confused as to when phones got unbanned from school. When I was in school, if you pulled out your flip phone, the teacher would take it from you....couldn't even use them in the lunchroom...
Times were simpler when 9gag ifunny and other meme apps were the only apps distracting class.
When I was in 11th grade, this one kid would pull his phone out every single class, continue to do so through every warning, until his phone was taken away until the end of the period. He would repeat the process in whatever the next class I had with him is.
I'm baffled by the fact that there were ZERO cellphones in school for millennia and when Vaush says he thinks schools will be fine without any smart phones, his whole chat goes "terrible idea. that would ruin school."
I wish I had a phone in school to take notes at the very least
I always (and still do) hated physically writing notes so much that I gave up at times
If we had our phones out in class, they were taken by the teacher, given to the main office, and held there until a parent/guardian came to pick it up or until the last of class. And that was stuff like razrs, blackberries, enV, sidekick etc. No reason not to do something similar with today's smartphones
Congrats you are spending thr whole class period confiscating phones instead of teaching. This worked back then because not everyone had a phone just yet.
I had a smartphone throughout high school. It was a blessing on my hour+ long bus ride back and forth for being able to listen to music. But when I got to school, it went in my pocket and stayed in my pocket, especially since most teachers had a don't show don't tell policy with phones (if they saw it, they would take it to their desk and your parents would retrieve it from the front office/you would only get it back at the end of the day).
Legit used it after a bomb threat as well to text my mom (who worked over an hour away from the school) after a bomb threat evacuation to come pick me up and inform her of where the pickup location was at. Cut down on how long I had to wait sitting on the floor in a local rec center as by the time the school picked us up and dropped us off at the different location I had texted mom 30 minutes ago.
My nephew watches RUclips shorts for hours a day and it's all weird AI slop
Taking the L on this one Vaush
Everyone knows there’s that one professor who just reads their slides of the board & doesn’t know how to teach the subjects so just listening to Khan Academy in lecture actually teaches you more
Plus I don’t wanna give conservative parents a win on the idea that smart phones are bad to give pre-teens & young teens (age 11-15)
the only thing i can't imagine doing without a phone in hand is taking a shit.
I feel naked with my phone
Stop taking nude selfies in public.
Diagnosed with ADHD at 8, didn't get a smartphone until I was 19. I can't even imagine the amount of attention-span damage I would have incurred if I had one as a kid.