Incredibly articulate and each point literally came back to me as he explained what I had experienced on my ‘89 YZ250W at perris or carlsbad.. MX is so much an exit game as he described.. how much inertia can you utilize from your entrance into a corner with throttle, straightline braking, trail braking if you came in too hot, and finally, smooth application of throttle and feathered clutching if needed- minimizing fighting the bike and traction control vs. one fluid movement to maximize carrying that speed out of a turn- that’s the EXIT GAME that can make or break your track speed!! Great job teaching Ryan. PB
I remember hearing about Rhyno back in the late '80s when he was a teenager. His skills on a motocross bike are amazing! Great to see him at Lorretta Lynn's this year! He's still determined, tough & gritty as ever!
When you demonstrated how you have your hips forward and upper body back on the '86, you looked 100% identical to the pics of Johnson, Bailly, etc from back in the 80's!
Ryan, love your content. Consider grabbing a cheap lapel mic, the final production quality and watch-ability of this style of vid would improve 10 fold. Keep it up man, love tuning it!
I just think it's great to see someone 40+ ride and race dirt bikes and have fun doing it oh and rhino I love watching your videos I learn things from you and then I put them to the test on my bike and I have fun sound it bit great racing at Loretta Lynn's great job man hats off to man 🤘🤘🖒🖒
Watching you tubes of Ricky C. riding a 2 stroke is still a great study on how he made the machine work. His smallness and low rear ride height and aggressive style had a winning combination.
as somebody who raced a '86 CR250 for 4 yrs, Ryno is spot on. Also, I remember the stock bars being real narrow and swooped back compared to the 125...but man, they both handled like a dream. And yes, the rear of the seat being raised would try and kick your ass (literally) over the bars if you got into trouble.
ryan!!thank you!would it be possible for you to do a recap/revisit of the 95 mxdesnations!!??specifically what was it like to ride the kx500,and what was your impressions of going to europe? + im a kiwi so how did you rate daryll kings charge??!!
Hey Ryan, I know you must’ve worked on your suspension but it must still be quite a bit off from modern suspension being such a small diameter, conventional fork. Would be interesting to get your thoughts on that. Also I find the flatter more modern seats are easier to do the weight transfer forward when cornering in deep ruts for example. The old seat would guide you to the front centre but not the very front where you need to sit, basically on the tank. Love your technical perspective though and your vid‘s. Wife and I want to come down and train with you for a few weeks this winter, I left you a message on your site. We are coming down from Canada in the RV loaded with bikes 💪 Cheers
Original Gangsta Ryan Hughes ...Lovin the positive energy bringing back to the sport, maybe we get to see you next year at a GNCC event on the East Coast ?
i was a pro am in the early 90's i went to a track to kick around on my 89 kx 125 and i was shocked how fast i was i passed almost everybody it felt great i still had it i think its mostly the rider
I'm 48 years old...I have or owed most bikes..my best lap times and most fun is on a ktm 150 with Akit suspension and stock motor...it's about rider experience...love it
Awesome video, Ryan! If you had the choice, '86 or modern, which would you prefer to ride? Which would you prefer to race (provided the competition had equal machines)?
Even if Ryno was on a modern day two stroke he would be at an advantage according to his technique. Ryno could have won but he won us for rocking on an older two stroke! So badass!!
RYNO UNIVERSITY. THANK YOU PROFESSOR HUGHES. Pay attention people because his tips really work. I have become a way better rider just by paying attention to him. A lot of really good information on his full podcast on GYPSY TALES also. Rock on Ryan 👊💥
Having ridden and competed on an 86' cr250 waaaaay back then. They WERE the pick bike in the 250 class back then. As it was one of the first MX bikes, you didn't need to rev its nuts off all the time, and brake as late as you dare into any corner all of the time. On that Stroker it was all about HIGH SPEED ENTRY into corners, keeping up your momentum, keeping OFF its brakes, to keep its rear end firmly planted, and yes sacrificing a bit on corner exit speed, but with its powerband, the bike didn't really care what gear you selected on corner entry, generally a gear higher than all other 250's of the day. As far as riding style and balance. As its front end/forks weren't anything to write home about, even back then. I tended to aim my body weight way over the back of the bike, trying in my head to sit on its rear mudguard! So much more further over the rear of the bike than a current 450 4-stroke. So the bike didn't need any caressing, just LOCK your knees into the airbox rails as hard as you could...and twist the throttle. to only around 3/4 opening, and HANG on!!!!!!!!! Here endeth page 101 of the 2T Bible.
Hey Ryan, i going to start riding again after 18 years triatlon. Kept my old trusty yzf 2002 426. No cash for a new one. It's heavy as it was 17 years ago. But i understand and feel it better then when i was 19 years old. Strange how a older brain works and understands stuff
I stoped riding/racing motocross in 87. I got in to mountain bike racing and raced all the way until 2004. In 2004 I started riding and racing offroad and hare scrambles which brought me back to racing MX. I'm now 56 and still ride and race. I do still train on a road bike but I absolutley love modern MX bikes.
I race a vintage bike once in awhile (yz465, husky 500cr) I notice if I go out late in the day after the modern bikes it seem the ruts develop "narrower" therefore catching the fork under hang more so than back in the day when everybody's forks drug thru a rut (made it wider). Don't know if that makes sense but thats what I think, or I'm just slow AF nowadays, haha.
My PE250 stopped dead at the top of third when entering ruts once. I went over the front into a forward roll landing on my back, and my water pack saved me! The bike was sitting upside down on its seat and bars fifteen foot back. This was a couple of years ago on a modern bike ride day also, I think you are right.
Nice upload. Money towards one rebuild of a modern 4t is several rebuilds over a lifetime on a 2t. 90% of people riding still are not factory riders with mechanics and cost matters.
please buy a microphone man. So much knowledge and wisdom from years of riding and racing, but i have to crank my speakers up to the max to hear anything.
What made u ride that bike at lorettas? And not something newer. Make it more fair for the others lol? Or something u wanted to try to prove to urself? Interested to hear the answer.
Ironically i talk about my 86 CR because it was honda production rule bike an it had a lot of good stuff..for a first race bike i was not ready for...most of which was the silent an beautifully balanced factory honda HRC Crankshaft that had great low end for a 2 stroke an made no vibe to let u know warp was coming u had to be ready...i say its power was like a modern 450...because as 2 strokes go not many if any had good low end not most of which were top 4 japanese brands in stock trim they had no low end an were very scary the honda was a team bike descuised as a production bike...but either way we are comparing two strokes to 4 strokes ..4 stroke are way easier to make go faster...not easier to ride...but they get traction an go like the twice as fast as the wind a 2 stroke required a skilled clutch work...which coming from a 4 stroke took me a while...i was used to in 1979 a 4 stroke just twist an go tons of torque...
Ryno, just badass no matter what he’s riding. Check out steel roots and crying like a baby! This guy is a wealth of information and does his best to share it no matter what your sex, age, or ability. Guys like him are legends and deservedly so.
You should have went with that 87 cr 500. Yes it would have beat the shit out of you eaven harder that the 250. And you would have to go get all your fillings replaced after.. but... you would of had the tractor power down low to recover from loss of momentum against the 450's But honestly a win. I know I was personally watching those races to see YOU on THAT bike. It was cool emig chose a smoker. But if he would if rolled a 97 kx 250 it would of bin dope. I know I'm not the only one who was stokes to see this race just because of you out thier proving it ain't about the bike.... entirely lol.
Half the time he’s not explaining which bike he’s talking about. The biggest reason modern for strokes are ridden from the rear is because of the heavy engine.
Did u own an 86 or race one in the vets...sound like u had one....i know the 450 is no comparision power band wise the 86 was great off the low by 2 stroke standards..but the 4 strokes are insanely powerfull...i rode a 07 honda CRF 450...an after being let down by a yzf 250 L street legal what a dog...i got on the 450 after retiring from racing on my 96 CR 250....an was just twisting the grip off it i was like holy conoly batman this thing is so fast lets go to a national...i get some holeshot money...an a powerade check 2
Yes the bikes have a small 125cc feel to them now im hearing but the 86 had a short wheel base if u ever see photo of RJ. Jonhson junior hes alway tippie toeing the 86 around a corner in a very upright position...he said he liked the forks an motor...the low end was pure team honda...that rip off the bottom...that all other 2 strokes never had...exvept the euro bikes maico husky an those bikes with more enduro heritage....the low end 2 stroke power never happened in america suzuki makes a quick snap low end power shot all other stock bikes left that part of the motor baron...so their team riders could kill us with 5 times the motor...works bikes....now u can walk in an buy a raceable bike thats the big varible
I see riders ride the 2 stroke vet classes an i can see the guys who ride a 4 stroke at an intermediate or expert level they are all out of whack...i was when i started racing in 87 i was expecting more roll because i had it...
Dude those space age 4 strokes make you lazy and round off your edge bottom line you can analize the geometry and have nasa come fix your suspension blah blah those "autotuned" hyper four strokes you lose all those skills period you can ride that or any other 2 stroke in race trim and practice until its time to push into the gate with the four stroke . And you will be way ahead and be faster its amazing how soft people get . That old POS does have almost as much power its just delivered over 15% of the entire rpm range where the 4stk delivers its power over the whole rpm range and available Being able to uncork the beast on a two stroke is as much art as it is skill (04 MXdN RC CR250 masterpiece of riding) I grew up racing NESC. and then WillowSPringsMC I got my first 4 strk when i was 6, XR75 my second was 3 years ago a honda 1100BlackBird. after RG 500s Rz350s RDs etc.. The best training for this weird era of racing is two stroke practice, 4stroke race, you cant go the other way ... Like a great musician practices with a click and never performs with one. the modern (too fast for your brain) four strokes are the coffin opening on motocross racing as we knew it... the speed more and more coming from the pit not the rider . this sport needs a stewardship to preserve its innocence ... You are the coolest rider ever I have been a fan forever I miss the racing world it is breaking my heart to watch it self destruct , How fun was riding that bike at lorettas ?? you just need your chops back ride that bike a few weeks and only that bike then jump on the titanium lawnmower and see how fast and ahead of your race you are.. You are one of the handful of greats we have stay involved don't let the Aldin bakers put everyone in the hospital ... you said the best thing of gypsy tales " Those 450s are no fun to ride, at all !" ...#4strokesRSatanic peace brotha
It doesn't have as much power? and it's slow? Huh? 1986 CR250 has 52 HP and 36 ft-lb of torque. 2021 CRF450 has 55 HP and 35 ft-lbs of torque. That CR250 has massive power.
I have (5) 2 strokes and (4) 4 stokes. Ile take a 2 stroke all day everyday. So don't think I'm hating on the 86 cr. Just the reality is 4 strokes did not take over or turn faster lap times do to peak hp n torque. The are just easier to ride and make power that equates to what wins races.. traction
@@andychips6923 LMAO! Right? Emig’s built 150 would eat that CR on a dyno. IF there ever was a 52HP number published somewhere, it was taken from the countershaft, not the rear wheel. Probably lost half of it’s power the second it touched 8,000 RPMs. I love smokers, but those old Japanese bike were basically equal and less usable than the modern 250F.
@@dormantmenace And don't forget Ryan had his CR250 completely tricked out. I think it was Pro circuit who did it... Sure, you need to KNOW how to ride to ride a 2 stroke. Anybody can hop on a 4 stroke and do horrible mistakes and pretty much be ok, since as you said the power is more progressive. But the 2 stroke 250's made at least 52 HP upwards, and had more torque than the 4 strokes.
You should put those fuel additives in the tank and stop sniffing them. A good 86 250 made 35 or 36 horsepower. During the 80s I was at dyno tests for every bike made. The CR500 made just over 50.
Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast!
Incredibly articulate and each point literally came back to me as he explained what I had experienced on my ‘89 YZ250W at perris or carlsbad.. MX is so much an exit game as he described.. how much inertia can you utilize from your entrance into a corner with throttle, straightline braking, trail braking if you came in too hot, and finally, smooth application of throttle and feathered clutching if needed- minimizing fighting the bike and traction control vs. one fluid movement to maximize carrying that speed out of a turn- that’s the EXIT GAME that can make or break your track speed!! Great job teaching Ryan. PB
Ryno was having fun. He and Emig have nothing to prove. Legends!
Thank you. Really enjoyed watching you on TV! Please keep doing your thang.
Old, Bold, Soldier you are my friend. Enjoyed watching all week and the wisdom you have projected. Thankyou.
Ryan, plenty of two strokes have flatter seats now. When you say "four strokes" I think you mean "modern bikes."
Thank you for all the advise that’s some really helpful stuff 👍
Love it man. Great explanation. I rode those old bikes so you make total sense about that pocket on the old seats
You and Emig proved a lot of things, We love to see you again in Mini O’s or next year Loretta again, Best Motocross channel Tho.
I remember hearing about Rhyno back in the late '80s when he was a teenager. His skills on a motocross bike are amazing! Great to see him at Lorretta Lynn's this year! He's still determined, tough & gritty as ever!
I have three 86 cr250’s (two in pieces) and can’t wait to build one for my race bike next year. Thanks for the great tips. 👍🏽
EPIC job on the CR250 Ryan. Respect.
When you demonstrated how you have your hips forward and upper body back on the '86, you looked 100% identical to the pics of Johnson, Bailly, etc from back in the 80's!
Congratulations Ryno 👍 Appreciate all ya do.. Regards, Old G
Those old bikes will kill ya..you did an outstanding job ryno&you got one hell of a sack brother!!
Not if you’re a real rider. 4 strokes are for pussies
Harley. Yep.
@@Fk_your_couch Well, your calling Ryno one, because he rides a 4 stroke.
@Krackhead420 Meth your comment sure makes your channel name make sense
Ryan, love your content. Consider grabbing a cheap lapel mic, the final production quality and watch-ability of this style of vid would improve 10 fold. Keep it up man, love tuning it!
Love my 98rm 250. Love 2strokes
I just think it's great to see someone 40+ ride and race dirt bikes and have fun doing it oh and rhino I love watching your videos I learn things from you and then I put them to the test on my bike and I have fun sound it bit great racing at Loretta Lynn's great job man hats off to man 🤘🤘🖒🖒
Watching you tubes of Ricky C. riding a 2 stroke is still a great study on how he made the machine work. His smallness and low rear ride height and aggressive style had a winning combination.
Whats up Ryno! Glad ur back!
Loved the throwback fox jersey and pants. I wore that same gear in the early 90s
I had a 86 cr250.yup he's exactly right on Ryan.
Damn very informative, thank you man.
Yer ryno awesome work man 🤙🏼🔥
Great vid Ryno! Thx
as somebody who raced a '86 CR250 for 4 yrs, Ryno is spot on. Also, I remember the stock bars being real narrow and swooped back compared to the 125...but man, they both handled like a dream. And yes, the rear of the seat being raised would try and kick your ass (literally) over the bars if you got into trouble.
Great job. Thank you
ryan!!thank you!would it be possible for you to do a recap/revisit of the 95 mxdesnations!!??specifically what was it like to ride the kx500,and what was your impressions of going to europe? + im a kiwi so how did you rate daryll kings charge??!!
Hey Ryan, I know you must’ve worked on your suspension but it must still be quite a bit off from modern suspension being such a small diameter, conventional fork. Would be interesting to get your thoughts on that.
Also I find the flatter more modern seats are easier to do the weight transfer forward when cornering in deep ruts for example. The old seat would guide you to the front centre but not the very front where you need to sit, basically on the tank.
Love your technical perspective though and your vid‘s. Wife and I want to come down and train with you for a few weeks this winter, I left you a message on your site. We are coming down from Canada in the RV loaded with bikes 💪 Cheers
Original Gangsta Ryan Hughes ...Lovin the positive energy bringing back to the sport, maybe we get to see you next year at a GNCC event on the East Coast ?
Camp Coker GNCC in SC would be a good one to start.
@@charlesholden325 C'mon Ryan do it on a retro Honda 250 Elsinore 🏁
You know what you're talking about Ryan .Good weekend by the way. Mick from 🇦🇺
Well yeah.... he's Ryan friggin' Hughes.
🤣
Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I meant to ask you about it.
i was a pro am in the early 90's i went to a track to kick around on my 89 kx 125 and i was shocked how fast i was i passed almost everybody it felt great i still had it i think its mostly the rider
AN ABSOLUTE UNIT
Rhino you looked like a damn gangster at Lorettas. Same with watts. 2 grizzled gangsters putting in work. Lol. Thanks for the pic player.
Clarity. What I saw versus how you described was right on. Obviously this added a lot of detail that very few could communicate
Great racing on that ol' 250 against the modern bikes.
Awesome explanation!! Was it the change in technology that changed the riding style!!
I'm 48 years old...I have or owed most bikes..my best lap times and most fun is on a ktm 150 with Akit suspension and stock motor...it's about rider experience...love it
Great race
Awesome video, Ryan!
If you had the choice, '86 or modern, which would you prefer to ride? Which would you prefer to race (provided the competition had equal machines)?
Thanks dude
Wow buddy absolutely amazing ride. Those last two passes were amazing. Love the way that played out congratulations. HONDA'S THE KING OF BIKES!!!!
Even if Ryno was on a modern day two stroke he would be at an advantage according to his technique. Ryno could have won but he won us for rocking on an older two stroke! So badass!!
RYNO UNIVERSITY. THANK YOU PROFESSOR HUGHES. Pay attention people because his tips really work. I have become a way better rider just by paying attention to him. A lot of really good information on his full podcast on GYPSY TALES also. Rock on Ryan 👊💥
Excellent race Rhino way to go on 86cr 260
Having ridden and competed on an 86' cr250 waaaaay back then.
They WERE the pick bike in the 250 class back then. As it was one of the first MX bikes, you didn't need to rev its nuts off all the time, and brake as late as you dare into any corner all of the time. On that Stroker it was all about HIGH SPEED ENTRY into corners, keeping up your momentum, keeping OFF its brakes, to keep its rear end firmly planted, and yes sacrificing a bit on corner exit speed, but with its powerband, the bike didn't really care what gear you selected on corner entry, generally a gear higher than all other 250's of the day.
As far as riding style and balance. As its front end/forks weren't anything to write home about, even back then. I tended to aim my body weight way over the back of the bike, trying in my head to sit on its rear mudguard! So much more further over the rear of the bike than a current 450 4-stroke. So the bike didn't need any caressing, just LOCK your knees into the airbox rails as hard as you could...and twist the throttle. to only around 3/4 opening, and HANG on!!!!!!!!!
Here endeth page 101 of the 2T Bible.
Hey Ryan, i going to start riding again after 18 years triatlon. Kept my old trusty yzf 2002 426. No cash for a new one. It's heavy as it was 17 years ago. But i understand and feel it better then when i was 19 years old. Strange how a older brain works and understands stuff
Wonder if i can do lommel again soon
Well done,
Tremendous amount of energy ⚡ to ride that bike that fast 👍
Did the same thing. Love riding more than ever. Struggle to find the motivation to do Tris now 🤣 Feels good, but is so boring 🤣
Those early 426 and 450 on the old steel frame were amazing bikes. As long as you get the carb right its a great bike!
I stoped riding/racing motocross in 87. I got in to mountain bike racing and raced all the way until 2004. In 2004 I started riding and racing offroad and hare scrambles which brought me back to racing MX. I'm now 56 and still ride and race. I do still train on a road bike but I absolutley love modern MX bikes.
Looking like Manny Puig lol fuckin awesome!
Saludos desde rep.dominicana ryan. De aquellos años en el motocross.y desde siempre
Would love to see ya on a custom modern 300 2 stroke or a 150 cc like emig
too bad you dident have all that figured out before LL. nothing like a real moto. keep up the excellent content.
I race a vintage bike once in awhile (yz465, husky 500cr) I notice if I go out late in the day after the modern bikes it seem the ruts develop "narrower" therefore catching the fork under hang more so than back in the day when everybody's forks drug thru a rut (made it wider). Don't know if that makes sense but thats what I think, or I'm just slow AF nowadays, haha.
My PE250 stopped dead at the top of third when entering ruts once. I went over the front into a forward roll landing on my back, and my water pack saved me! The bike was sitting upside down on its seat and bars fifteen foot back. This was a couple of years ago on a modern bike ride day also, I think you are right.
Ryno my homie howd u get roped into riding an 86 Cr 250cent at LLs...yes that is rut ville 26 million riders in 3 days...deep good dirt...
Nice upload. Money towards one rebuild of a modern 4t is several rebuilds over a lifetime on a 2t. 90% of people riding still are not factory riders with mechanics and cost matters.
Hey Ryan was the power similar
please buy a microphone man. So much knowledge and wisdom from years of riding and racing, but i have to crank my speakers up to the max to hear anything.
Not me. Sounds fine at 60%
why not do this while sitting or being next to he cr250 to explain stuff
What made u ride that bike at lorettas? And not something newer. Make it more fair for the others lol? Or something u wanted to try to prove to urself? Interested to hear the answer.
FUN, No pressure.
Ironically i talk about my 86 CR because it was honda production rule bike an it had a lot of good stuff..for a first race bike i was not ready for...most of which was the silent an beautifully balanced factory honda HRC Crankshaft that had great low end for a 2 stroke an made no vibe to let u know warp was coming u had to be ready...i say its power was like a modern 450...because as 2 strokes go not many if any had good low end not most of which were top 4 japanese brands in stock trim they had no low end an were very scary the honda was a team bike descuised as a production bike...but either way we are comparing two strokes to 4 strokes ..4 stroke are way easier to make go faster...not easier to ride...but they get traction an go like the twice as fast as the wind a 2 stroke required a skilled clutch work...which coming from a 4 stroke took me a while...i was used to in 1979 a 4 stroke just twist an go tons of torque...
Tremendous
This fucking guy is a beast. There should be 2 stroke 125 and 250 races. AND, dare I say, a 500 2 stroke race!!!!!!!
Imagine if the good engine didn't blow and you had more practice time.
Badass.
Ryno, just badass no matter what he’s riding. Check out steel roots and crying like a baby! This guy is a wealth of information and does his best to share it no matter what your sex, age, or ability. Guys like him are legends and deservedly so.
if you do it again do an 88 or 89. they fixed everything wrong with the 86. that was cool to see that old horse ride again.
Great ride. Dam ride supercross and show them boys what's up
hey Ryan guess what graham jarvis blow his knee even with knee braces,I think you are right about knee braces they don’t do much for protection
Ryno talks ..it’s Gospel
You should have went with that 87 cr 500.
Yes it would have beat the shit out of you eaven harder that the 250. And you would have to go get all your fillings replaced after.. but... you would of had the tractor power down low to recover from loss of momentum against the 450's
But honestly a win. I know I was personally watching those races to see YOU on THAT bike. It was cool emig chose a smoker. But if he would if rolled a 97 kx 250 it would of bin dope. I know I'm not the only one who was stokes to see this race just because of you out thier proving it ain't about the bike.... entirely lol.
Half the time he’s not explaining which bike he’s talking about. The biggest reason modern for strokes are ridden from the rear is because of the heavy engine.
No chickens?!?
Did u own an 86 or race one in the vets...sound like u had one....i know the 450 is no comparision power band wise the 86 was great off the low by 2 stroke standards..but the 4 strokes are insanely powerfull...i rode a 07 honda CRF 450...an after being let down by a yzf 250 L street legal what a dog...i got on the 450 after retiring from racing on my 96 CR 250....an was just twisting the grip off it i was like holy conoly batman this thing is so fast lets go to a national...i get some holeshot money...an a powerade check 2
Tweekin
Awesome machine. They don’t make it like them anymore.
Dude I love you to death, but please get a mic 🎤🙏
Yes the bikes have a small 125cc feel to them now im hearing but the 86 had a short wheel base if u ever see photo of RJ. Jonhson junior hes alway tippie toeing the 86 around a corner in a very upright position...he said he liked the forks an motor...the low end was pure team honda...that rip off the bottom...that all other 2 strokes never had...exvept the euro bikes maico husky an those bikes with more enduro heritage....the low end 2 stroke power never happened in america suzuki makes a quick snap low end power shot all other stock bikes left that part of the motor baron...so their team riders could kill us with 5 times the motor...works bikes....now u can walk in an buy a raceable bike thats the big varible
That bike is so sexy...
4 strokes are superior in every way. But i dont sell 2 strokes for a living. Lol
you should have rode the 84' 85'yz250. yamahas most powerful 250 engine to date.
This guy has smoked way too much
Audio mate
I see riders ride the 2 stroke vet classes an i can see the guys who ride a 4 stroke at an intermediate or expert level they are all out of whack...i was when i started racing in 87 i was expecting more roll because i had it...
HATE TO BREAK IT TO U BUT THAT IS A CRF A 4 STROKE
Like
86 cr still faster than new 450s
No it’s not
Yeah they did not cost 10k
Slow down to go FAST
it takes skill to ride a 2 stroke on a race track
Nobody should use 4strokes in motocross
I think you would have got beat by Brown even on a modern bike .
why limit yourself when you had a rocket by taking a tank !
Dude those space age 4 strokes make you lazy and round off your edge bottom line you can analize the geometry and have nasa come fix your suspension blah blah those "autotuned" hyper four strokes you lose all those skills period you can ride that or any other 2 stroke in race trim and practice until its time to push into the gate with the four stroke . And you will be way ahead and be faster its amazing how soft people get . That old POS does have almost as much power its just delivered over 15% of the entire rpm range where the 4stk delivers its power over the whole rpm range and available Being able to uncork the beast on a two stroke is as much art as it is skill (04 MXdN RC CR250 masterpiece of riding) I grew up racing NESC. and then WillowSPringsMC I got my first 4 strk when i was 6, XR75 my second was 3 years ago a honda 1100BlackBird. after RG 500s Rz350s RDs etc.. The best training for this weird era of racing is two stroke practice, 4stroke race, you cant go the other way ... Like a great musician practices with a click and never performs with one. the modern (too fast for your brain) four strokes are the coffin opening on motocross racing as we knew it... the speed more and more coming from the pit not the rider . this sport needs a stewardship to preserve its innocence ... You are the coolest rider ever I have been a fan forever I miss the racing world it is breaking my heart to watch it self destruct , How fun was riding that bike at lorettas ?? you just need your chops back ride that bike a few weeks and only that bike then jump on the titanium lawnmower and see how fast and ahead of your race you are..
You are one of the handful of greats we have stay involved don't let the Aldin bakers put everyone in the hospital ... you said the best thing of gypsy tales " Those 450s are no fun to ride, at all !" ...#4strokesRSatanic peace brotha
It doesn't have as much power? and it's slow? Huh?
1986 CR250 has 52 HP and 36 ft-lb of torque.
2021 CRF450 has 55 HP and 35 ft-lbs of torque.
That CR250 has massive power.
86 cr250 does not have 52hp.. where did you find that?
I have (5) 2 strokes and (4) 4 stokes. Ile take a 2 stroke all day everyday.
So don't think I'm hating on the 86 cr.
Just the reality is 4 strokes did not take over or turn faster lap times do to peak hp n torque. The are just easier to ride and make power that equates to what wins races.. traction
@@andychips6923 LMAO! Right? Emig’s built 150 would eat that CR on a dyno. IF there ever was a 52HP number published somewhere, it was taken from the countershaft, not the rear wheel. Probably lost half of it’s power the second it touched 8,000 RPMs. I love smokers, but those old Japanese bike were basically equal and less usable than the modern 250F.
@@dormantmenace And don't forget Ryan had his CR250 completely tricked out. I think it was Pro circuit who did it...
Sure, you need to KNOW how to ride to ride a 2 stroke. Anybody can hop on a 4 stroke and do horrible mistakes and pretty much be ok, since as you said the power is more progressive.
But the 2 stroke 250's made at least 52 HP upwards, and had more torque than the 4 strokes.
You should put those fuel additives in the tank and stop sniffing them. A good 86 250 made 35 or 36 horsepower. During the 80s I was at dyno tests for every bike made. The CR500 made just over 50.
Four strokes suck