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[3rd Edition] Battlescroll - Seraphon Updates!
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Well.... looks like Coalesced is also paying the price for the sins of Starborne again. We all get some nerfs!
Except for Thunderlizard! Does the price reduction for Thunderlizard make it an attractive option now?
0:00 Nerfs all around!
0:27 Point Changes
7:20 Lord of Celestial Resonance NERFED
10:55 How Much does a Starborne List Increase Now?
12:00 Cosmic Power Point Output Nerfed
13:33 Wizard Finders HARD COUNTERS Starborne Now
16:05 New Battle Tactic (prob only for Coalesced)
17:18 Kroxigor have 5 wounds now!
18:30 Vengeful Defender NERFED (back to what it was supposed to be)
19:59 GW makes weird typos! Luckily this is a mistake.
21:00 Wound pass offs are Wards now (Starseer BUFF)
22:46 Thunderlizard playable now?
23:05 Thunderlizard 2k List with 4 Carnos, 4 Stegs
24:38 Thunderlizard 2k List with 2 Carnos, 2 Trogs, 4 Stegs
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Some suggestions to email GW... for whatever that is worth! lol
To: AoSFAQ@gwplc.com
Subject: Seraphon Tweaks
Scar-Veteran on Aggradon: Change Alpha Roar to:
At the start of your combat phase, you can pick 1 friendly unit with this ability on the battlefield to unleash a feral roar. If you do so, increase the rage score of friendly AGGRADON units wholly within 18" of that unit by 1 (to a maximum of 3).
Engine of the Gods: Change Cosmic Engine from 2D6 to 3D6:
In your shooting phase, you can say that this unit will either harness or reserve the power of its cosmic engine. If you say that it will harness the power, pick 1 of the effects below and generate a power score by rolling 3D6. If you say that it will reserve the power, nothing happens, but you can roll 1 additional dice the next time this unit harnesses the power of its cosmic engine.
Aggradon Lancers: Change Primal Rage to:
This unit has a rage score that starts at 0 at the start of the battle. At the start of each combat phase, if this unit is within 3" of any enemy units, increase its rage score by 1 (to a maximum of 3). At the end of each combat phase, if this unit is not within 3" of any enemy units, reduce its rage score by 1. While this unit has a rage score of 1 or more, add its rage score to the Attacks characteristic of its Rending Bites and Striking Talons.
Bastiladon with Solar Engine: Change Solar Engine attacks to 6.
Spawn of Chotec: Change Glob of Flame Acid attacks to 2 and damage to D3+3.
Stegadon Chief: Add Skink Warparty ability. Skink Warparty: This unit counts as 10 models for the purposes of contesting objectives.
We needed to have in mass sent this a month ago
Great suggestions man!!!
But the ability of Aggrodon Lancers isnt changed in your suggestion?
And again thank you for the video and keep up the good work. I am taking a Koatls Claw to a tournament next month :)
There's also a bug in the app, where the save characteristic of both krox and warspawned is 5+ instead of 4+ 😂
@@TheWolf1334 yeah it does, if their rage score is up to 6 and then they come out of combat, next turn it goes down to 5 attacks not resets back to 3
bastiladon has the keyword skinn for examole
Kroxigors to 5 Wounds is really nice though. I personally run 6 in a group. They honestly do a lot of damage. I played alot vs OBR. And they have been essential in clearing out these 20 Mortek Guard blocks. In most of my games they have been killing all 20 in a single activation. The squad is now 6 more wounds, which is like having a kroxigor and a half more in terms of tankyness.
At 160 pts, they are honestly not a bad pick and quite underrated imo. They have been one of my top performers, even though I expected nothing fancy from them.
I think you also forgot to mention that Null Myriad is now 4+ spell ignore instead of the 2+ which is quite huge in this specific matchup.
Nice! What unit/hero do you run around with them as support (if any)? I usually use a Skink unit.... But now I kinda want to pair up the cheaper Carno with em.
@@CalebHastings I have ran them in coalesced and Starborne to good effect. But the support I usually give them is actually quite low. I found just an all out attack makes them really good into 4+ targets, since they have just so many attacks. They arent the ones to take down big tough targets though.
I kinda like Hoarfrost on them, its always useful. Speed of Huanchi or vengeful defender has been great for movement. I use them most of the time as a defensive piece. Protect my wizards and counterpunch where I see the good opportunity.
They aren't that big of an investment also. My main issue with them was their toughness, but at 5 wounds it pretty much puts them where I want them to be.
I think we have a few units (engine of the gods, spawn of chotec, oldblood on foot) that are waiting on next edition for a rules change....
Yep, you are prob right
Btw Caleb, I think the art you use for these videos is fine. You’re not using this for anything other than helping us seraphon players out ! Love the channel!
I think stegadons are overlooked. They are the only skink keyworded unit that is eligible for scaly skin and always count as 10 on an objective. This is good for some of the Seraphon specific battle tactics in coelesced. I'm convinced Thunder Lizard's trait is underwhelming because they have access to more faction battle tactics than Koalts Claw. Such a frustrating way to balance.
Absolutely! I love a Stegadon in Koatls claw!
So glad they clarified the Ward/bodyguard interaction! So many arguments about this over the past 6 months
Today was an extremely interesting day for me. Today was my first Seraphon game ever that I had been planning for since mid December. I picked my list just before Christmas so I could capitalize on boxing day sales and my list for my 1k points game was:
Scar vet on Carn (gen)
Skink priest
6x Krox
10x Warriors
5x hunters with bolas
I feel like the changes made literally 12 hours before my game worked out really really well for me
My new Thunder Lizard list 😁👍
- Army Faction: Seraphon
- Army Type: Coalesced
- Subfaction: Thunder Lizard
- Grand Strategy: Repel Corruption
- Triumph: Inspired
LEADERS
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (240)
- General
- Command Traits: Vengeful Defender
- Artefacts of Power: Sotek’s Gaze
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (240)
- Nullstone Adornments: Hand-carved Nullstone Icon
BATTLELINE
Stegadon (240)
- Sunfire Throwers
Stegadon (240)
- Skystreak Bow
Saurus Warriors (360)
- Saurus Warrior Alpha
- Celestite Spear
- 2 x Icon Bearer
- 2 x War-drummer
Skinks (90)
- Skink Alpha
- Boltspitter, Celestite Dagger and Star-buckler
Stegadon (240)
- Skystreak Bow
BEHEMOTH
Bastiladon with Solar Engine (250)
OTHER
Ripperdactyl Riders (100)
TERRAIN
1 x Coalesced Realmshaper Engine (0)
TOTAL POINTS: 2000/2000
Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
big points increases to starborne, but their only natural predators were just removed from the ecosystem. IMO we're still looking at starborne dominance until the end of andtor/3e, but we'll see.
maybe I'm just not rating 4+/5+ spell ignore highly enough.
True! The nerf to Null Myriad gives us at least a CHANCE in that matchup. And if Wizard Finders battalion doesn't become super popular... then we are doing fine! :)
The Slann is so much worse in Coalesced (also) because it lacks the heroic actions. Being able to switch spells really adds a lot of utility to the Slann. Without that it is worth a lot fewer points.
EotG off the list is just kind of hilarious. The only explanation is that the math on the possibility of summoning 10 saurus warriors throws the logic out the window.
Arcane might is an awesome command trait. Drop a pendulum with 22" range can be devastating. Powerful magic damage at range.
Worth noting that Kroxigor now also count as 2 models on objectives.
The ward change could be bad in some matchups for Starborne as well. If I understand it correctly, damage that avoids wards or abilities that turn wards off would get around the protection from the guard.
As a casual player I always appreciate your take on these things. Thank you Caleb!
I think as others have pointed out some of the more flagging units like the oldblood on foot or not quite there like aggradon scar vet are waiting on either a new edition or new army book for a meaningful update. I'm slowly getting into game this year with coalesced and your videos are always great insight into faction even if I don't get into tournament play.
Thanks Caleb. I dont really play AoS much, but i love me my dinos. Trying to keep em up to date as i can. Guess no more insane Riperdactly summon army for me...
10 Units of Ripperdactlys, 5 units of Terradons and 5 assorted chiefs.
If I was rich, this flying nonsense would be my go to army! So many toads! 😂
5 wound kroxigors!!!! Yeah!!!🎉🎉
Bring on the Krox!
But in aos app they changed save to 5+...
@@Orril what?!?! Oh my goodness... It did!!! Surely that is a mistake!
I hope it's a mistake... Cause that would be terrible.
@@CalebHastings I hope too
they only seid wounds to 5 so def them messing up the app
They nerfed Frog Jesus... Heresy
That thunder lizard list would be fun if I could actually buy Stegadons!!!! (I'll add that I want to support my flgs instead of stores half a continent away because they give me a place to play)
It looks like GW forgot to adjust the CCP COST list. When I'm right, it is now almost impossible to get 30 points for an Engine of the Gods. That must be nerved, soon. In the meantime, I let my son play with the old Cosmic Points Rule.
I think the Kroxigors can still be troops in battalions. Unless the app is wrong it sayd anything that is not a hero, behemoth, or artillery is a troop. Doesn't say anything about a wounds cap. Is there an errata im missing and the app is just wrong?
In la app update both Korixgors have 5+ save, i think is a mistake.
Man, i hope so!!! That would be terrible
I think whoever updated the app put the '5' for wounds in the wrong place lol
I honestly think starborne will still do well, the cut to the list isnt that bad. We were already fighting with basically nothing other than wizards the entire time haha. The only big nerf that does hurt is the one to celestial resonance. Imo its a bad change. Mainly because now you cannot do a starborne list without 4 or more wizards. No more casual lists with only a slann and a starseer or anything like that, because you will not have nearly enough CPPs. So we need to spam even more on wizards if we want to use our abilities.
I had a lists with Dracothion's tail focused around teleporting aggradons in the squishy part of the enemy, but I only had 1 starmaster and a starseer. With the 2CPP per cast I had eough to go around, but now you MUST have Kroak or couple other wizards to have enough CPPS to do anything.
Celestial resonance was broken anyway. Being able to summon saurus guard t1 was really strong as it allow to be very agressive with kroak.
wow this hurts Starborn very much :(
might go Coalesced instead.
I really hate kroak auto include so im dinw with this being a coalesced guy.
So yeah we got shafted but the drop on the beasts nearly balances it. Then we got the croc buff, think that's the only ability changes?
Anways id still rather the changes and get the crocs better off.
But ofc, like you said they could of made much better changes.
Well I mean I was going to start converting my coalesce into starboard but maybe not...
The reason for the Slann nerf, I think, … I just watched GW Meta watch… they are trying to push more NON-Spell casting lists
Yep, bringing Starborne down some
Can u update what u think the best seraphon units are
It was pretty obvious that vengeful defender was meant to used on separate units. Using that ability on the same unit twice was in bad faith anyway
Do celestial doom work on Gotrek Shoulder Plate of Edassa or his "ward" doesnt count as ward?
krox stonks but Slann in coalesced are now completely pointless which is so limiting. Starborne internal balance improved but is also probably dead now as a serious army. welp.
Hey!
I felt the dataslate to be pretty underwhelming for most factions I play. Especially seraphon. You said it before, but Slaan are just even worse for Coal and that's just really sad. They get more Command trait, spell, and relic than either saurus and skink, and you just can't use them.
Kroxy up to 5 is great! They're still... well, not good. But at least they make some sense now. I don't see a world where you don't just pay 20 extra point for 5 more wounds, a total count on objective of 10 instead of 6, and a +1 to save, but well.
I understand they don't try to fix everything, because it's hard, but.. changing skinks? When the only faction that revolve around them is the only faction played, and not any of the other unit that could get something?
Like, I can justify a skink on ryper for 110, but a spawn for 120 is completly out of the question. Same with the engine. Same with shooty turtle.
I was expecting much more for a warscroll that took so much time to come out, and in the end, it was less impactful than the previous one.
Do you think they may actually change the thunderlizards battletrait? Even sticking with the monstrous actions could they do it so you can use the same monstrous action used earlier in the turn by a different model or would that be too powerful?
I hope so! Thunderlizard has long been my favorite sub-faction.
Same. I’ve got three bastiladons and having them better in thunderlizards would be lovely.
Only english and japanese version changed to "after"
German, italian, french and spanish version is still "before"
seraphon was allready fine, but like always the hater made gw nerf it. dont get why people hate us so much, same with lumineth.
at least internal balance is better now, both factions are bad now.
the worst part is gw knows coalesced is bad, but didnt do anything. since those scrools arent used, so in reality our list only won like 40 extra points. thats is a nerf since most of armys gor buffed.
and everyone got his weapon increased to 2" but sarus keept his maces useless, and bites still are useless, was hoping for a fix allowing whole unit do them while 1 model be in range
Well i played a list where i took 1 Oldblood on carno with 2 Scarvets on Carnos and took vengeful defender. I completly demolished the enemy frontline turn one. I took them in coatls claw which gave them +1 to wound on the charge the 20" move in total plus the fly ability from the slan and run and charge spell from the skinks made that very cool
Interesting! So... Question...why Scarvets instead of Old bloods?
I've found that the Maim&Tear ability (the only thing unique to ScarVet) does almost no damage for me vs normal units.
Assuming a model is still in range at the end of combat and is hurt down to 1 wound remaining, it still does very little.
Vs 1 wound models = 0 DMG
Vs 2 wound models = 0.3 DMG
Vs 3 = 0.6 DMG
Vs 4 = 1 DMG
Vs 5 = 1.3 DMG
And so on.
The best case scenario I can think of is vs monsters that you don't finish off with melee attacks. E.g., Mega-Gargant. If you are able to do 27 damage to it, the maim and tear ability should finish it off (9MW).
@@CalebHastings well if i charge i can do max 29 damage considering that i Hit on 2+ or 3+ with the All out attack only 2 out of 3 bites Hit in Addition 7 attacks with 2 wounds each which hits on 2+ mathematicly i would assume i could make 20 damage with 10@ -2ap nd 10 @-1 that would not kill a unit of immortis guard with 15hp @ 3+ with all out defence @2+ only 3from -1 and 5 from the bites go through Makes a total of 8 damage the immortis guard will most likly not disengage because they have to Hit too so i will Deal at the end of the combat Phase an additional 2mortal damage and most likly kill a second one of
Also other Monsters like stegadon and heroes like Katakos do Survive a carno so the additional +1/3 damage is not wasted as long as you probably Hit first if you strike second and the enemy removes every unit in range of 1" it is not effective but i think it works like the saurus jaws ability triggern before casualties have been removed
@@CalebHastings and it is per unit not model so the wound should Spill over as long as there is one model in range
And the allocated wound calculation is also per unit not per model
@@Dennis3113 That got an FAQ last go around unfortunately.
Q: When determining how many dice to roll for the Saurus Scar
Veteran on Carnosaur’s ‘Maim and Tear’ ability, do I roll 1 dice for
each wound that has been allocated to that enemy unit during the
battle or 1 dice for each wound currently allocated to that unit?
A: Roll 1 dice for each wound currently allocated to that unit.
"currently allocated". So if you wipe out half of a unit of 40 zombies, you won't roll any Maim&Tear dice. Because at the end of combat, there are no wounds currently allocated to them.
@@CalebHastings but that sounds if it distinguish between wounds that are alocted by another unit to that unit or in privious combat Phases. As long as there is still one model in 1 ich i would roll 10 dice or so i dont See why that should stop me
The Engine is just an abandoned model at this point sadly. Old model, no fun to play even in a fun setting, its just frustrating, and its expensive.
Sad!
Indeed, used to run the engine a lot last book
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Uuuggg they keep slamming seriphon , it’s so painful I find myself playing other army’s 😞
How are you feeling about Starpriests? No changes for them but a lot of their competitors got nerfed
Starseer just seems much more efficient for an extra spellcast. Even at 160 still seems way more efficient to me
Still good for Coalesced builds of warriors. Getting them some mortal wound output. Spell is still good for the -1 to hit.
I am going with Carno, Troglodon, 4 Stegadons and 2 ranged Bastiladons
YES
@@CalebHastings I recently played a version of this list (minus 1 Stegadon but with Starseer) against my friend's Nighthaunt with Nagash. The big bone daddy went down start of turn 2 in my shooting phase. There is no way I am going into any battle without two Bastilladons in my list :D
@@martinrossler7804 wow! That's awesome!!
Looks like their trying to bring Starborne down, but then make Skinks more attractive. This is probably going to still get people to play Fangs.
Just glad my secondary army (DoK) got buffed with the point changes.
Where can you see these battlescroll changes ?
www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/
@@CalebHastings Thank you
Will they release an updated battletome?
Maybe in the summer when they launch the new edition of AoS. 4th edition.
Are you serious !?
$55 for 3rd edition and now a new one is coming.
The bite thing really bugs me
I don't think GW has anyone that does Quality Reviews on these! lol
@@CalebHastings you legit think it’s an error. I’m scarred it’s not. As a coalesced only guy
Your headline is clickbait! Thunderlizard got buffed….
Coalesced got a lot of point buffs
Standard Koatl Claw lists went up by +30.
Starseer +10
Astrolith +20
Sometimes you take a Stegadon, so that brings it down to just +10.
Wouldn't exactly call that a lot of buffs.
But YES, if you run a monster heavy TL or Koatls list... This was a big help for Carnos and Stegs!!!
I'll def be trying out an 8 monster TL list asap! 😁
Please not use AI generated images, they're stolen work from real artists. This has been going on in for many videos thumbnails now, I will unsubscribe because of this. I ain't supporting this anymore.
Serious question: Is using an ai thumbnail any less egregious than using screenshots of GW models? I'm not paying the artist who painted, shot, or edited those stock images of the GW models.
Just curious where the line is drawn. Obviously I post videos on this channel for fun with next to zero fiscal rewards. Hiring an artist is not possible.
@@CalebHastings those artists got paid for creating content and products for a company who put that work on public display in order to show and sell their products.
Who's paying the artists who are getting their art stolen and smashed to create those AI aberrations? We all can check (or ask) who made the art and paint jobs for WH community content and merchandising, but who's telling from which artist's stolen work is used to create these generated images?
It's always better to put real art from someone and give them credits and exposition instead of using an AI to directly steal from them, keeping their names obscured and their art style bastardized
@@diabolihellscream3410 of course, real art from an artist is better. Is a stark thumbnail devoid of any beauty better than an ai picture? Because that would be the alternative for this medium.
It's not a question of ai vs human. It is a question of ai vs nothing. Something vs nothing. Some beauty vs a vast empty void.
@@CalebHastings I think there is no beauty at all in AI generated images, it's ugly and offensive, it affects real artists and makes the whole RUclips channel look bad taste since there's not even an attempt at respecting the artists who made their contribution to this community.
I thought you couldn't have more than 3 of the same unit, so only 3 oldbloods. Or is that 40k I'm thinking of
Yep, that's 40k.
@@CalebHastings I like the idea of a full carnasaur list. It's how I like playing Total War. And the general gets named Krocgar