Just watched the doc. The way the fans treated these players was so brutal. And the media was on another level. Just brutal. I am so glad they are all still successful and living a good life! Respect!
Agreed man, those Detroit fans were pieces of shit and honestly some of that abhorrent fan behaviour from back in the day is starting to creep back into the game today. I’m glad the doco came out so those asshole fans who think they’re tough and wanna press these players can get checked themselves.
He made a really good point bringing up hockey. I don’t think fans normally get involved but they are encouraged to beat the life out of other players.
Hockey is a contact sport with a history of fighting between players. Fighting has been regulated by the NHL since 1922 and it's a part of the game. Incomparable to the NBA and fighting with fans, apples to oranges
That is not true. I'm a lifelong Hockey fan, and it is NOT encouraged for Fans, or even the Players. It is allowed amongst the Players because it's regulated by the League, but they have been trying to get it out of the Game for years. It's slowly fading out too, but there are still a couple of scraps ever so often. There never has been, or ever would be a point where fighting with Fans would be encouraged by the NHL, or any other Hockey League.
I was at this game and was sitting behind the Pacers bench. Prior to the malice, the fans were belligerent and completely disrespectful. In fact, I had to check a guy for his language because I had my daughter with me. If I were a Pacer, I would have reacted the same way.
This point is important. Fan behaviour was a known issue at the Palace. Celtic guard Erick Strickland had a drink poured on him going into half-time of a playoff game in 2002 - and HAD TO BE RESTRAINED FROM GOING INTO THE STANDS. It's all on film. Not addressed in the documentary, but they only had an hour. Ron Artest talking about his mental health struggles is compelling viewing.
@@baselineleaner1064 I feel you on your daughter... I remember watching all the kids crying. That was definitely the worst part. Though Ron was an idiot for jumping in the crowd , and hitting the wrong guy... I’m from Grand Rapid and live the Stones from the Bad boys till now... all I can say is stupidly begets more stupidity... ofcouse that dude should have not thrown a cup... as a Pistons fan I still back up my team and state. Pacers messed there own season up, and it made sneaking down to the floor almost impossible at the Place. Befor that I would always get to the open floor seats , while people were in the rest room or getting refreshments... the good old days. Long live the Pistons.
I was pretty excited until I watched the documentary. It's all real one sided they should have players from both sides to really tell the story. This is simply Jermaines version. People involved in the story can't accurately report the story because it's human nature to impart biases. Same reason Jordan should not have had final cut on the last dance. That's why his gambling got about 5 minutes of coverage, it was designed to make him look good
@@EMasterBlanding He did, the issue is when someone from either team has control, what Ben or anyone else says depends on what the production team allow to make it into the movie and what gets edited out. I heard Ben dropped a 6 minute freestyle pacer diss during his interview but it got cut out.
O’Neal retired with the Warriors 2013-2014. He was a season away from being apart of a dynasty. As a reliable stretch 4, he would of been so useful in Kerr’s system.
Bottom line: Before any of these guys were NBA players, they were men. Every man has a line you can't cross. The fans crossed it and got what they deserved.
The Pacers are just lucky , that wasn’t actually Detroit... they were fighting Suburban, chumps in the city of Auburn Hills out side of Detroit... or we would be talking about a whole different disaster...
I have to admit I was one of those people that judged and stereotyped these players. But now looking back, holy heck the Pacers had every right to do what they did.
They planed the cheap foul because they got mad with Ben a year before on a foul he did so that to mean is no clean bascketball so they start it and payed for it
Watched the Untold Story today... my heart just broke for these players. To work so hard, for so long.. to love this game and your teammates is so special. The way they were portrayed afterwards is disgusting. The truth behind this story is much needed in our world right now. Thank y'all so much for coming out with this, it must've been difficult to bring up those emotions again. 💙💛
Do you even know the event he's talking about? He could have realistically killed the guy with the punch he threw. Guy was just standing on the court and got a haymaker to the side of his head from a 7' tall angry black dude. Quit worshiping celebrities.
Think reggie would’ve definitely got a ring or at least got back to the finals that yr if it wasnt dor the brawl. Pacers were running away with the east at the time
Yeah. The Pacers were on a mission that season. As a Piston fan, I think the Pacers' fall hurt them too. They needed a consistent elite rival to keep them honest. When Indy was dismantled, it was a revolving door of teams in the East and the Pistons seemed to get overconfident.
Just started watching. I saw it in 04, and The Pacer players were not wrong. Just because a person bought a ticket does not mean players have to take their abuse. I actually smiled when I saw that fan on the stretcher.
I remember watching that on TV. When that beer cup flew and hit Ron Artest, it seemed liked it was happening in slow motion. You knew it was on after that.
Just watched the Doc, the Detroit fans who were involved have not grown up at all. The one dude that was on the court, 20 years later still doesn't take it serious.
I watched it too. He won’t ever take it serious because that will be what he’s famous for. The Malice at the Palace will be talked about forever and these fans will live of that the rest of their lives.
I'm a pistons fan and at first I vilified dafuq out the pacers after that incident but now after the smoke cleared I realized that it wasn't their fault, teammates always gotta protect their own and that fan was outta line for throwing that cup at Ron.
I was a kid when it happened. My pops was making punching sounds when the fight broke out onto the court. It was like he was watching WWF 😭😭. He was like "O'Neal was trying to send that guy to hell" lol
Nah that man would have died for sure lol, thank god for him slipping cause sheesh. Imagine a adrenaline pumped 7 footer coming at you full speed and you not paying attention, dudes head would have came clean off his shoulders 🤣
@@rockowilliams7820 JO was the equivalent of Stone Cold running in to save the day 😂. Glass breaking and all. Detroit is lucky he ain’t catch that steel chair that was thrown at him 😅.
Jermaine was a great talent in his own right. Its a shame people often forget that injuries and circumstances like the malice change players careers. Jermaine's Pacers were one of the favourites to go to the finals and win it all. That punch that Jermaine tries to land on that "fan", i'm glad Jermaine slipped cos if that punch lands correctly, that man would most likely not be alive.
I just watched Malice At The Palace. It’s crazy how there were so little security to control fans. The ref didn’t diffuse the situation well either. How can the security not realise the game is getting heated, fans were agitated and security didn’t do enough to stop fans from coming down. Ron Artest went on the scoring board to calm himself down. Then that idiotic coward fan, John Green threw the cup of beer on him. Fuck that, in an interview, he said the threw the cup and find it amusing that another guy got beaten up. That was really stupid of the fan to do that. Just because you paid money to watch games, you don’t have the right to physically abuse the players. There will always be fights in sports. In my country, we fight because of football/soccer. But the difference was, the security stopped fans from going to the players. The police had batons and beat the shit out of the hooligans. And the fight are mostly between fans.
After watching Netflix documentary, I feel bad for Jermaine and Reggie. The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015 season.
Solid interview … it’s hard to fathom being in that position… in that arena, defending yourself and your brothers and having to defend your stance for the rest of your life …
If it wasn’t for all the smoke and I am athlete my opinion of players like cam jermaine O’Neal etc would of been made by what the media says because I knew these players no better then who I turned on the tv to see talk about said players. Props to both shows ♥️
I just love that that fan said that punch was a "bitch move" and all that. The you see him in the documentary crying to the camera backstage after trying to act all tough on the court 😂
Jermaine comes across as extremely intelligent and aware. The malace took place before I was old enough to comprehend basketball - looking forward to my education!
@@haydengnichols1275 - Whenever someone acts surprised or comments that a black man can be intelligent and can articulate himself, that’s really a backhanded slap at other black people. I’m asking you to understand that. If you don’t understand what I mean, just look up Chris Rock’s old comedyy routine about Colin Powell being “so well spoken” on RUclips.
@@johnbrowntheprophet I understand exactly what you mean bro. But like I said - I'm not surprised at the fact he is black and intelligent whatsoever. I'm merely stating that he seems much more intelligent and aware than the every day man - PERIOD. Nothing to do with his colour. Simply acknowledging his obviously brilliant awareness.
@@haydengnichols1275 - I hear you. It just bothers me whenever I hear someone comment (usually in a surprising tone of voice) the a black person is “intelligent,” “articulate,” and “well spoken.” I hear that a lot.
Saw his interview with Dan LeBetard. Jermaine didn't get the mental health issues Ron was dealing with back in the day. He just didn't understand the level of help and care Ron needed and was getting. We have all come a long way in understanding and recognizing the care needed for mental health.
J O was legit. Outstanding player in those early 00s. While not everyone gets to win a ring; the fact that the Malice blighted some extremely bright NBA careers is really sad. It ended Reggie, handcuffed Jermaine and permanently tarnished Jackson and Artest. Defensive powerhouse of a team even compared to the 04 Pistons.
Damn I didnt even think about how long the litigation must’ve been. Was a nightmare for those guys, cant wait to watch the doc to gain a better insight. Jermaine was a problem when he played, im sad that his career got overshadowed by that
Yeah... he punched a 5”9 douche bag... I didn’t see any one knock out that Big Brother in the suit... that Man was serving up Big D Knuckle sandwiches, to the Pacers... yaw hated the Bad Boys, yaw Hated the Fab 5, Yaw hated those Pistons... Keep that hate coming. Michigain strong , Detroit vs Everybody!
I am so proud of Jermaine O'Neal high school graduate no college speaking so articulately speaking so calmly and growing into a actual intelligent smart grown man I will love to hear more from him
College doesn’t make you smart. You can learn from all aspects of life, a degree is just a piece of paper. I thought having a degree would change my life.. it didn’t lol
@@Imisambi lol I thought that was obvious ; Kobe came str8 out of high school & speaks extremely intelligent, with a high vocabulary & great annunciation & he came out. Wrote Jermaine O’Neal , so my point was if you know Kobe , no one being smart who came out of hs after him should surprise u
My basketball team was out eating dinner after a game at a decent sized restaurant/bar that night. The game was on the big TV at the bar and literally the whole place stopped eating and went quite and was watching what happened. Unreal.
I watched the movie yesterday And he explained a lot of things. He was right when he said you should watch the incident every frame from different angles... And you be the Judge
He had a chance to win a championship he just was on the right teams at the wrong time. Don’t take nothing away from his game for me dude was a monster.
Born and raised in Indiana 260 area, and grew up a big Pacers fan. Jermaine to me is one of my favorite all time players and think hes extremely underrated and just wasnt used right on a business level. I still rock my yellow O'Neal hardwood classic Jersey!
I've been in support of them & I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. People have to think about in this regard, take everything basketball away. To throw a drink on someone is disrespectful. Jermaine, Stak & Artest shouldn't have been the only ones held accountable.
Let me preface this by first saying that fan, John Green, should be left in a room alone with Artest for at least 5 mins and get the beat down he deserves. He is an absolute scumbag and didn’t get nearly enough punishment… with that said, I think you’re looking at the whole thing with too much ‘hindsight 20/20’ because the actual results weren’t too bad in regards to who got physically harmed when it was all said and done. The potential for serious damage to multiple people was very very high though. I was at the game safely on the other side of the court and saw it all. There were women and children in the area. Let me give you a scenario; Artest runs up in the stands and knocks a random kid over. Jackson follows and accidentally tramples that kid. The kid’s dad looks in horror, freaks out n pulls out a knife (or keys or whatever) and starts stabbing Jackson. Maybe Jackson never plays again or worse, dies. Now there’s 2 deaths resulting from them going into the stands. I feel like the perception would be a lot different in that scenario. They were not thugs and I totally understand why they went up there but I also understand why the punishment was so harsh. You absolutely can NOT go into the stands fighting people especially when you don’t even know who you’re looking for. Artest literally ran right by the guy that actually threw the cup. All the other fans got involved because they were hitting innocent people. That’s my vibe toward it all. The potential for much worse was very much there
I like how they both kept it real and tell it how it is. Sad fact is some fans still will do stupid things like the kid who poured the popcorn on Russell Westbrook and think that NBA players are invincible just because they make a lot of money and don't have feelings. That's exactly what kicked this brawl off and they had to learn the hard way
Yeah, he did. Both Stephen Jackson and Reggie Miller have confirmed this numerous times. As I recall, Stephen Jackson mentioned it on “The Herd with Colin Cowherd” as well as “The Dan LeBatard Show,” and Reggie mentioned it on “The Dan Patrick Show.”
I love these dudes for doing what they did. Fck everything they showed loyalty for each other. U can't buy that or learn that, ur born this way. Yall have the respect from all of us who ran the streets. Stick together ‼️
Always felt bad for him cuz he so underrated and on top of that the malice at the palace ruined his reputation but he still lasted a long time in the league 🤷
With all do respect they ran into the stands and fought fans. You can’t compare that to a hockey fight or charging the mound. Once bystanders get attacked it should obviously be considered a crime. I know this is an unpopular opinion
Literally the definition of play stupid games, win stupid prizes the Malice at the Palice. Shitty crowd all night and then throwing a cup at RON ARTEST. If you ain’t someone like Ben Wallace then you don’t pick a fight with Ron Artest, it’s simple. Nevermind a whole team of giant guys built like houses who come from next to nothing. May be sick but when Ron and Steve were in the stands it was one of the best moments of loyalty you can show. Steve watches Ron go in and doesn’t think just backs him against 20,000 people. That takes guts. JO got best punch of the night though, that boy should be in a museum.
great video, so happy to see this and just intelligent conversation about the incident....because from the very moment it happened, i was like what is the big deal, if people assault you, don't you have the right to defend yourself, granted the "so called victim's" in this case happened to be averaged size, mostly people of non-color(sorry if i could have used a better word) who night in and night out get a little inebriated and say things that they wouldn't get away with in any other environment and this time they got what they wanted....it was one of the most justified and exciting incidents to occur in sports
I remember when it all went down. Detroit fans were being typical Detroit fans. They had a lil dust up on the court between Ron and Ben and Ron was chillin on the scorers table while they were figuring everything out when the drinks hit him. He got this look on his face and there was no stopping him then. He was going in the damn stands. He went up there and threw some hands. Jack was wildin out handling his business then I remember on the floor Jermaine came sliding in on his knees and straight up blasted somebodys ass. It was crazy! It was AWESOME!
Y’all sound crazy about not comparing hockey & baseball….basketball from my knowledge is the only sport where there is NO barrier from the fans and the players. How you think J.O knocked that fool out?! he literally walked onto the court….if someone throws something at you on the street, spits on your etc that is considered assault and yet some of you are saying he gotta keep his cool and the players were wrong
Throwing liquids or spitting on someone is considered the lowest forms of insults you can do to a person in other countries and cultures. Not to mention it's considered physical assault and battery here in the U.S.
i agree all started over punk move by ron, followed by another punk move by ron to not step to Body. if he would have just fought Ben the rest never happens. then the penultimate punk move, react like he should have to Ben to a civilian. bottom line Ben bullied the bully; the bully laid down then bullied someone else
I have asked the same question too!! This wasn't a do or die game, it was still the first part of the season so the starters on both teams should have been on the bench!!!
@@chitwn so have I. If you are thrown off by JO and VC being someone’s two favorite players in the 00s, idk what to tell you. Those are two of the 15 best players the first half of the decade.
I remember that fight. There’s was nothing on tv and I really didn’t want to watch Detroit vs Indiana but there was nothing else then boom! Shit went down lol
I hate to admit that as a black man they even did a number on me with calling people thugs...it's refreshing to see who these guys are, like Stephen Jackson had never been in trouble before the malice and to see them all doing well.
As a pistons fan, how the fans treated the pacers that day was just horrible. Pistons fans (not all of them of course) left a black mark on the league and stopped to the lowest of lows. Yeah the pacers could’ve been a bit more composed but when emotions are that high, ultimately it was the fans who made it much worse than it should’ve been. Hopefully the pacers players involved can forgive the pistons fans and I hope the pistons fans realize how much damage they did to the image of the league and what they cost those players.
I’m a Pacers fan, have been from before JO’s career, I hope this turns out well for him, unfortunately he is still missing the point, the Pacers put up with a lot from that team and the real deal was them shooting up a local bar in Indy after the Malice, the Pacers as an organization tried to give them all passes and didn’t get tough until the Pacers fans stopped coming in protest against the team, but not until after the shooting, which is hard to believe. Payton Manning was getting along with the Colts at that time too, so it happened quickly, they lost the city from that moment the team embarrassed the community, and the NBA so lopsidedly favored the Pistons, and the Pistons acted like sore losers period.
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I must be too hood, cause that fight in the palace was one of the greatest moments in sports EVER to me💯
ALL FACTS!!!!!!! LOL
Couldn't agree more! It was a very valuable lesson for us fans haha
Facts!!
I swear, I remember watching it live, n I had to jump off the couch
Well I guess we all hood then 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just watched the doc. The way the fans treated these players was so brutal. And the media was on another level. Just brutal. I am so glad they are all still successful and living a good life! Respect!
Where is the doc at ?
@@Shaq610 on Netflix. Came out yesterday I believe. "Untold Malice at the Palace".
Agreed man, those Detroit fans were pieces of shit and honestly some of that abhorrent fan behaviour from back in the day is starting to creep back into the game today. I’m glad the doco came out so those asshole fans who think they’re tough and wanna press these players can get checked themselves.
Right where Doc at i want to watch it
@@kickroad5687 Netflix
He made a really good point bringing up hockey. I don’t think fans normally get involved but they are encouraged to beat the life out of other players.
Hockey is a contact sport with a history of fighting between players. Fighting has been regulated by the NHL since 1922 and it's a part of the game. Incomparable to the NBA and fighting with fans, apples to oranges
no he didn't lmao
That is not true. I'm a lifelong Hockey fan, and it is NOT encouraged for Fans, or even the Players. It is allowed amongst the Players because it's regulated by the League, but they have been trying to get it out of the Game for years. It's slowly fading out too, but there are still a couple of scraps ever so often. There never has been, or ever would be a point where fighting with Fans would be encouraged by the NHL, or any other Hockey League.
I dnt think any pro sport would encourage fans to fist fight top tier physical humans that stand on avg 6’2. The lawsuits would astronomical
Tie Domi splashed water on a fan and beat him up...$1000 fine from the league only. No criminal record or anything...
I was at this game and was sitting behind the Pacers bench. Prior to the malice, the fans were belligerent and completely disrespectful. In fact, I had to check a guy for his language because I had my daughter with me. If I were a Pacer, I would have reacted the same way.
This point is important. Fan behaviour was a known issue at the Palace. Celtic guard Erick Strickland had a drink poured on him going into half-time of a playoff game in 2002 - and HAD TO BE RESTRAINED FROM GOING INTO THE STANDS. It's all on film. Not addressed in the documentary, but they only had an hour.
Ron Artest talking about his mental health struggles is compelling viewing.
@@baselineleaner1064 I feel you on your daughter... I remember watching all the kids crying. That was definitely the worst part. Though Ron was an idiot for jumping in the crowd , and hitting the wrong guy... I’m from Grand Rapid and live the Stones from the Bad boys till now... all I can say is stupidly begets more stupidity... ofcouse that dude should have not thrown a cup... as a Pistons fan I still back up my team and state. Pacers messed there own season up, and it made sneaking down to the floor almost impossible at the Place. Befor that I would always get to the open floor seats , while people were in the rest room or getting refreshments... the good old days. Long live the Pistons.
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@@petervandermey7896 what you don't know is that when Ron said his side of the story he said the drink was thrown at him
@@joshuadelton5970 make it make sense. What? I loved Ron Artest. Still wish he would have been a Pistons
One of the most underrated all-stars to play the game. Dude had a game and could get buckets.
I'm glad they finally got Jermaine on the show to tell his story about the Malice at the Palace. Can't wait!
I am ECSTATIC
I was pretty excited until I watched the documentary. It's all real one sided they should have players from both sides to really tell the story. This is simply Jermaines version. People involved in the story can't accurately report the story because it's human nature to impart biases. Same reason Jordan should not have had final cut on the last dance. That's why his gambling got about 5 minutes of coverage, it was designed to make him look good
@@AvaABC Ben Wallace spoke on the documentary. Also the fans that got knocked tf out on the floor.
@@AvaABC Ben Wallace Spoke. Fans who threw the beer spoke too lol
@@EMasterBlanding He did, the issue is when someone from either team has control, what Ben or anyone else says depends on what the production team allow to make it into the movie and what gets edited out. I heard Ben dropped a 6 minute freestyle pacer diss during his interview but it got cut out.
Jermaine is a good story teller. Really articulates his message well.
@@akendon7260 What did he do to get himself blacklisted?
@@metalisandman 😂☠☠☠☠☠
@@reymenders5437 other than the Malice is what I mean, forgot to include that on my first comment
@@metalisandman i got u
U good
O’Neal retired with the Warriors 2013-2014. He was a season away from being apart of a dynasty. As a reliable stretch 4, he would of been so useful in Kerr’s system.
Stretch 5 imo
Facts. O’Neal was really good player in his prime and definitely could’ve contributed to that Warriors team
Damn talk about bad luck he could of ended his career with a Championship if he stayed for one more year
He could of been traded 🙊🤷🏾♂️
his knees brah
Bottom line: Before any of these guys were NBA players, they were men. Every man has a line you can't cross. The fans crossed it and got what they deserved.
Period
Facts
And Jermaine also got what he deserved.
Thank you!
The Pacers are just lucky , that wasn’t actually Detroit... they were fighting Suburban, chumps in the city of Auburn Hills out side of Detroit... or we would be talking about a whole different disaster...
I have to admit I was one of those people that judged and stereotyped these players. But now looking back, holy heck the Pacers had every right to do what they did.
They planed the cheap foul because they got mad with Ben a year before on a foul he did so that to mean is no clean bascketball so they start it and payed for it
Watched the Untold Story today... my heart just broke for these players. To work so hard, for so long.. to love this game and your teammates is so special. The way they were portrayed afterwards is disgusting. The truth behind this story is much needed in our world right now. Thank y'all so much for coming out with this, it must've been difficult to bring up those emotions again. 💙💛
Do you even know the event he's talking about? He could have realistically killed the guy with the punch he threw. Guy was just standing on the court and got a haymaker to the side of his head from a 7' tall angry black dude. Quit worshiping celebrities.
Think reggie would’ve definitely got a ring or at least got back to the finals that yr if it wasnt dor the brawl. Pacers were running away with the east at the time
DEFINITELY
Yeah. The Pacers were on a mission that season. As a Piston fan, I think the Pacers' fall hurt them too. They needed a consistent elite rival to keep them honest. When Indy was dismantled, it was a revolving door of teams in the East and the Pistons seemed to get overconfident.
Wasn’t Reggie already retired? He was commentating that game
He was injured wasn’t he? And hell no they wouldnt have won no damn ring lmao.
@@ohmyrufiohhh1303 nah he was still playing😂😂
Man the maturity of Jermaine Oneal is impeccable. Just WOW!
I hope Jermaine continues this line of work, and spreading untold stories to light!
He is so well spoken, he deserved so much better! Respect for JO
Just started watching. I saw it in 04, and The Pacer players were not wrong. Just because a person bought a ticket does not mean players have to take their abuse. I actually smiled when I saw that fan on the stretcher.
The players were definitely in the wrong, but you could argue the fans were even worse.
You're never in the wrong when it's self defense.
I remember watching that on TV. When that beer cup flew and hit Ron Artest, it seemed liked it was happening in slow motion. You knew it was on after that.
That Pacers team was lethal. Blue collar team with a bunch of all stars. Jack, Artest, Jermaine, Reggie. Underrated team in history that gets no love.
What kills me about the doc is the fact that the media kept painting the players in bad light when they didn't get the full story
Just watched the Doc, the Detroit fans who were involved have not grown up at all. The one dude that was on the court, 20 years later still doesn't take it serious.
I watched it too. He won’t ever take it serious because that will be what he’s famous for. The Malice at the Palace will be talked about forever and these fans will live of that the rest of their lives.
I'm a pistons fan and at first I vilified dafuq out the pacers after that incident but now after the smoke cleared I realized that it wasn't their fault, teammates always gotta protect their own and that fan was outta line for throwing that cup at Ron.
Jermaine O’Neal woulda almost killed a man if not for a slippery floor
Hell of a hit coming in I remember that fondly
I was a kid when it happened. My pops was making punching sounds when the fight broke out onto the court. It was like he was watching WWF 😭😭. He was like "O'Neal was trying to send that guy to hell" lol
Facts...he doesn't slip..he smashes dude face in
Nah that man would have died for sure lol, thank god for him slipping cause sheesh.
Imagine a adrenaline pumped 7 footer coming at you full speed and you not paying attention, dudes head would have came clean off his shoulders 🤣
@@rockowilliams7820 JO was the equivalent of Stone Cold running in to save the day 😂. Glass breaking and all. Detroit is lucky he ain’t catch that steel chair that was thrown at him 😅.
Jermaine was a great talent in his own right. Its a shame people often forget that injuries and circumstances like the malice change players careers. Jermaine's Pacers were one of the favourites to go to the finals and win it all. That punch that Jermaine tries to land on that "fan", i'm glad Jermaine slipped cos if that punch lands correctly, that man would most likely not be alive.
What Reggie Miller said....
Smartest basketball player I've ever heard speak...been saying it for 20 years. The man is educated. Mad respect for Jermaine O'neal.
Nope. Speaks clearly doesn’t mean educated. He has no education
I just watched Malice At The Palace. It’s crazy how there were so little security to control fans. The ref didn’t diffuse the situation well either. How can the security not realise the game is getting heated, fans were agitated and security didn’t do enough to stop fans from coming down.
Ron Artest went on the scoring board to calm himself down. Then that idiotic coward fan, John Green threw the cup of beer on him. Fuck that, in an interview, he said the threw the cup and find it amusing that another guy got beaten up. That was really stupid of the fan to do that. Just because you paid money to watch games, you don’t have the right to physically abuse the players.
There will always be fights in sports. In my country, we fight because of football/soccer. But the difference was, the security stopped fans from going to the players. The police had batons and beat the shit out of the hooligans. And the fight are mostly between fans.
Jermaine and Ben has been the only guys I really haven't heard speak at length abt the situation, so it's cool to see and hear from those guys
After watching Netflix documentary, I feel bad for Jermaine and Reggie. The worst part is Jermaine O'Neal last team is Golden State Warriors and retired 2013-2014 season. Then the Golden State Warriors won a championship in 2014-2015 season.
Solid interview … it’s hard to fathom being in that position… in that arena, defending yourself and your brothers and having to defend your stance for the rest of your life …
Well said.....
Jermaine always articulates his perspectives so well. He is great to listen to on a topics beyond Malice.
“He articulates himself SO WELL.”
“He speaks SO WELL.”
Yeah, man. Black people can articulate themselves well, too, y’know. 🤷🏻♂️🙄🤦🏻♂️
That Pacers team was legit my favorite team growing up and definitely were top title contenders that year!
Pacers always garbage 😂😂😂
@@chriss4061 nah dawg
@@chriss4061 WTH? 🖕 they're not trash
Very good documentary. Well done!!
If it wasn’t for all the smoke and I am athlete my opinion of players like cam jermaine O’Neal etc would of been made by what the media says because I knew these players no better then who I turned on the tv to see talk about said players. Props to both shows ♥️
Jermaine oneal with the textbook sliding knee punch. He did a good executing that.
Since when is that textbook? Lol
@@chrisisslick since he did it
I just love that that fan said that punch was a "bitch move" and all that. The you see him in the documentary crying to the camera backstage after trying to act all tough on the court 😂
@@AdTurnerr fax
Jermaine comes across as extremely intelligent and aware. The malace took place before I was old enough to comprehend basketball - looking forward to my education!
“He articulates himself SO WELL.”
“He speaks SO WELL.”
Yeah, man. Black people can articulate themselves well, too, y’know. 🤷🏻♂️🙄🤦🏻♂️
@@johnbrowntheprophet I gave the man a compliment. Never said I was surprised by the fact.
@@haydengnichols1275 - Whenever someone acts surprised or comments that a black man can be intelligent and can articulate himself, that’s really a backhanded slap at other black people. I’m asking you to understand that. If you don’t understand what I mean, just look up Chris Rock’s old comedyy routine about Colin Powell being “so well spoken” on RUclips.
@@johnbrowntheprophet I understand exactly what you mean bro. But like I said - I'm not surprised at the fact he is black and intelligent whatsoever. I'm merely stating that he seems much more intelligent and aware than the every day man - PERIOD. Nothing to do with his colour. Simply acknowledging his obviously brilliant awareness.
@@haydengnichols1275 - I hear you. It just bothers me whenever I hear someone comment (usually in a surprising tone of voice) the a black person is “intelligent,” “articulate,” and “well spoken.” I hear that a lot.
the fallout from this is so wild... JO could've been an MVP candidate... Reggie's last year...everyone else got rings, dang
Jermaine got the greatest all-time NBA punch. I remember being a kid looking at how hard he punch that fan. Bro a legend
@@stevenweathers2989 JO would’ve done way worse to that fan if he didn’t slip
Oh this is gonna be epic. He didn’t hold back words on Ron Ron back in the day
Saw his interview with Dan LeBetard. Jermaine didn't get the mental health issues Ron was dealing with back in the day. He just didn't understand the level of help and care Ron needed and was getting. We have all come a long way in understanding and recognizing the care needed for mental health.
That white boy who threw that a cup of beer on Ron artest when Ron was on the scorers table, is the person who sparked of all of it!!!
And he was basically just laughing on the incident. he is a POS
@@Hajinrei it's funny how that don't get brought up too much either! all the players involved had to take the blame for everything that HAPPENED!
The media always looking at the bad instead of asking the deep whole story question what really happen Malice at the Palace
J O was legit. Outstanding player in those early 00s. While not everyone gets to win a ring; the fact that the Malice blighted some extremely bright NBA careers is really sad. It ended Reggie, handcuffed Jermaine and permanently tarnished Jackson and Artest. Defensive powerhouse of a team even compared to the 04 Pistons.
Side bar: Just realized how much Jermaine O'Neal and Ken Griffey Jr look alike
I know, right? They're twins.
“They” all look alike
I was gonna joke about this being racist, but then ole douche bagger himself had to go and actually be racist
They're also alike in mental toughness. (That wasn't a compliment.)
Never thought about that Hockey thing like that, that's eye-opening.
True. Hockey teams draft and trade players that their only job is to fight on the ice. They call them goons. No cap.✊🏾✌🏾#nextgenerations
Damn I didnt even think about how long the litigation must’ve been. Was a nightmare for those guys, cant wait to watch the doc to gain a better insight. Jermaine was a problem when he played, im sad that his career got overshadowed by that
Js punch was one of the greatest drop his ass cold 😭😭😭
This man had one of the coldest knockouts in history, He 611 Slid on one knee transformed to 6 feet and knocked buddy out..😂😂
☝️If you know, you know! 😭🥂😭
Yeah... he punched a 5”9 douche bag... I didn’t see any one knock out that Big Brother in the suit... that Man was serving up Big D Knuckle sandwiches, to the Pacers...
yaw hated the Bad Boys, yaw Hated the Fab 5, Yaw hated those Pistons... Keep that hate coming. Michigain strong , Detroit vs Everybody!
If he doesn’t slip and lands that punch he might have murdered the guy honestly
@@JP-kd9fq 😂 😂
@@JP-kd9fq on the Ron Artest episode, Stak said that guy still left in a stretcher 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am so proud of Jermaine O'Neal high school graduate no college speaking so articulately speaking so calmly and growing into a actual intelligent smart grown man I will love to hear more from him
Was thinking the same thing.....remember when he started he always looked so young....don't think I've ever heard him talk to this extent....
College doesn’t make you smart. You can learn from all aspects of life, a degree is just a piece of paper. I thought having a degree would change my life.. it didn’t lol
If you’re surprised you must have never heard Kobe Bryant speak ... he also came right out of high school
@@kingjonesthe1st what does kobe have to do with the way jermaine oneal speaks. ??
@@Imisambi lol I thought that was obvious ; Kobe came str8 out of high school & speaks extremely intelligent, with a high vocabulary & great annunciation & he came out. Wrote Jermaine O’Neal , so my point was if you know Kobe , no one being smart who came out of hs after him should surprise u
Watched the Malice live I’ve never seen anything as surreal since… I mean just couldn’t believe my eyes
My basketball team was out eating dinner after a game at a decent sized restaurant/bar that night. The game was on the big TV at the bar and literally the whole place stopped eating and went quite and was watching what happened. Unreal.
I still have it on VHS tape.
I watched the movie yesterday And he explained a lot of things. He was right when he said you should watch the incident every frame from different angles... And you be the Judge
He had a chance to win a championship he just was on the right teams at the wrong time. Don’t take nothing away from his game for me dude was a monster.
I was at the game on Christmas Day in Indy, first game since the Brawl against Detroit and JO being reinstated. That environment was lit that day.
Have they released this full interview, J O'Neal was my favorite player when on the pavers, he was a beast in that paint
Born and raised in Indiana 260 area, and grew up a big Pacers fan. Jermaine to me is one of my favorite all time players and think hes extremely underrated and just wasnt used right on a business level. I still rock my yellow O'Neal hardwood classic Jersey!
J.O. was my favorite player for the longest. He was a beast back in the day
I've been in support of them & I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. People have to think about in this regard, take everything basketball away. To throw a drink on someone is disrespectful. Jermaine, Stak & Artest shouldn't have been the only ones held accountable.
Let me preface this by first saying that fan, John Green, should be left in a room alone with Artest for at least 5 mins and get the beat down he deserves. He is an absolute scumbag and didn’t get nearly enough punishment… with that said, I think you’re looking at the whole thing with too much ‘hindsight 20/20’ because the actual results weren’t too bad in regards to who got physically harmed when it was all said and done. The potential for serious damage to multiple people was very very high though. I was at the game safely on the other side of the court and saw it all. There were women and children in the area. Let me give you a scenario; Artest runs up in the stands and knocks a random kid over. Jackson follows and accidentally tramples that kid. The kid’s dad looks in horror, freaks out n pulls out a knife (or keys or whatever) and starts stabbing Jackson. Maybe Jackson never plays again or worse, dies. Now there’s 2 deaths resulting from them going into the stands. I feel like the perception would be a lot different in that scenario. They were not thugs and I totally understand why they went up there but I also understand why the punishment was so harsh. You absolutely can NOT go into the stands fighting people especially when you don’t even know who you’re looking for. Artest literally ran right by the guy that actually threw the cup. All the other fans got involved because they were hitting innocent people. That’s my vibe toward it all. The potential for much worse was very much there
I like how they both kept it real and tell it how it is. Sad fact is some fans still will do stupid things like the kid who poured the popcorn on Russell Westbrook and think that NBA players are invincible just because they make a lot of money and don't have feelings. That's exactly what kicked this brawl off and they had to learn the hard way
Did Artest really ask "Do you think we'll get in trouble?" While back in the locker room after the brawl.
Yeah, he did. Both Stephen Jackson and Reggie Miller have confirmed this numerous times. As I recall, Stephen Jackson mentioned it on “The Herd with Colin Cowherd” as well as “The Dan LeBatard Show,” and Reggie mentioned it on “The Dan Patrick Show.”
Yeah, he did. Then JO went after him. Jack had to step in to keep JO off of his ass.
That question should let you know how mentally unhinged Ron was. Too bad mental health issues was stigmatized back then, especially for black people.
I love these dudes for doing what they did. Fck everything they showed loyalty for each other. U can't buy that or learn that, ur born this way. Yall have the respect from all of us who ran the streets. Stick together ‼️
If it wasn’t for Malice @ the Palice, J.O.’s number would be hanging in the rafters of Bankers Life Fieldhouse by now 👌🏻
@@stevenweathers2989 don't see it happening., the extremist liberals would cry out in protest
@@ramin9510 wtf are you talking about
@@SolaceMcfly exactly
@@stevenweathers2989 never know man those maggots be everywhere sticking their big noses where it doesn’t belong
Always felt bad for him cuz he so underrated and on top of that the malice at the palace ruined his reputation but he still lasted a long time in the league 🤷
Also he was one year removed from a ring with Golden State smh
The malice solidified the 2000s era as one of the toughest eras in basketball .
80's basketball was tougher (detroit bad boys, celtics, lakers)
Ever heard of Michael Jordan?
@@J7C. he said one of the toughest eras fool
The early to mid 2000’s was the most defensive era, and the numbers prove it
@@samsmith8086 the guy who played plumbers?
With all do respect they ran into the stands and fought fans. You can’t compare that to a hockey fight or charging the mound. Once bystanders get attacked it should obviously be considered a crime. I know this is an unpopular opinion
It's my first time seeing Jermaine without headband.
When this episode airs??? 👀👀👀👀🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Jermain the truth, I was a big Reggie fan, and that year I was so devastated, that was going to be Reggies ring no doubt.
Literally the definition of play stupid games, win stupid prizes the Malice at the Palice. Shitty crowd all night and then throwing a cup at RON ARTEST. If you ain’t someone like Ben Wallace then you don’t pick a fight with Ron Artest, it’s simple. Nevermind a whole team of giant guys built like houses who come from next to nothing. May be sick but when Ron and Steve were in the stands it was one of the best moments of loyalty you can show. Steve watches Ron go in and doesn’t think just backs him against 20,000 people. That takes guts. JO got best punch of the night though, that boy should be in a museum.
It's coming August 10th?
Yes, I couldn't believe the Refs didn't escort Nobody from the court!
Jermaine O’Neal looking like a young Birdman without tattoos and shit lmao
Great interview!!! Me and JO went to the same high together... Shamrocks for life!!!!
Eau Claire
great video, so happy to see this and just intelligent conversation about the incident....because from the very moment it happened, i was like what is the big deal, if people assault you, don't you have the right to defend yourself, granted the "so called victim's" in this case happened to be averaged size, mostly people of non-color(sorry if i could have used a better word) who night in and night out get a little inebriated and say things that they wouldn't get away with in any other environment and this time they got what they wanted....it was one of the most justified and exciting incidents to occur in sports
I’ll never forget the malice it was my first few months as a basketball fan I was 10 yrs old I was “ oh shit 😳 it goes down in the nba “ 😂😂
Saddest part is Indy missed out on that championship this particular year, they were poised to win it all.
Jermaine's a cool dude, he shouldn't have fouled kobe at the end of that 2003 all star game. Jordan would have had a great send off.
Things happen. Jordan still had a great send off in his last season with the Wizards.
Exactly
The Pacers were going to win that year too.
Jordan would of won mvp
Lmao let that shit go man 😂
I remember when it all went down. Detroit fans were being typical Detroit fans. They had a lil dust up on the court between Ron and Ben and Ron was chillin on the scorers table while they were figuring everything out when the drinks hit him. He got this look on his face and there was no stopping him then. He was going in the damn stands. He went up there and threw some hands. Jack was wildin out handling his business then I remember on the floor Jermaine came sliding in on his knees and straight up blasted somebodys ass. It was crazy! It was AWESOME!
Y’all sound crazy about not comparing hockey & baseball….basketball from my knowledge is the only sport where there is NO barrier from the fans and the players. How you think J.O knocked that fool out?! he literally walked onto the court….if someone throws something at you on the street, spits on your etc that is considered assault and yet some of you are saying he gotta keep his cool and the players were wrong
Throwing liquids or spitting on someone is considered the lowest forms of insults you can do to a person in other countries and cultures. Not to mention it's considered physical assault and battery here in the U.S.
Oh man! I've of my favorite PF of all-time. Can't wait to watch this one.
He always reminded me of Wanya from Boyz 2 Men
😂😂😂😂 Yup
I love to see Ben wallace and Ron to have a one on one conversation like magic and Isaiah did.. it need to happen..
I witnessed this live on TV, backed then i blamed Artest..... I was die hard for that Detroit team.
I remember watching it live too. It was unbelievable.
i agree all started over punk move by ron, followed by another punk move by ron to not step to Body. if he would have just fought Ben the rest never happens.
then the penultimate punk move, react like he should have to Ben to a civilian.
bottom line Ben bullied the bully; the bully laid down then bullied someone else
Here is the million dollars question? Why were starters still in the game with less then a minute to go in the fourth quarter with a 15pts lead?
I have asked the same question too!! This wasn't a do or die game, it was still the first part of the season so the starters on both teams should have been on the bench!!!
You really got JO. Behind Vince Carter, he was my favorite player growing up
Says nobody ever....
@@chitwn you clearly weren’t outside in the early 2000s.
@@Darkredwood Seen MJ play in real life youngster....
@@chitwn so have I. If you are thrown off by JO and VC being someone’s two favorite players in the 00s, idk what to tell you. Those are two of the 15 best players the first half of the decade.
@@Darkredwood ill give u vince....not J.O.
I remember that fight. There’s was nothing on tv and I really didn’t want to watch Detroit vs Indiana but there was nothing else then boom! Shit went down lol
When is the full show dropping I need it lol
O'Neal look like he can still hoop!
I hate to admit that as a black man they even did a number on me with calling people thugs...it's refreshing to see who these guys are, like Stephen Jackson had never been in trouble before the malice and to see them all doing well.
Watching the doc and to find out it was only 3 police officers inside the palace that night is insane
That hoodie Matt got on hard af
Respect to J. O. This perspective is interesting. But real talk...most official night in NBA history lol. Fallout was bonkers for the players though.
i remember when jermaine oneal was on punkd and couldnt get inside the club when iverson was there lol
Yup,I remember that episode!! Lol
Lol with that big ass white tee
Link to documentary he talking about?
Wow I thought my forehead was big😂
don’t worry it is
Thinking is why your forehead is big, fam.
The fight in Madison Square garden, Boston Bruins beat the hell out of fans and they were celebrated.
Please drop the link for that blunts hoodie 🔥
O'Neal sounds like a cool, straight shooter guy.
As a pistons fan, how the fans treated the pacers that day was just horrible. Pistons fans (not all of them of course) left a black mark on the league and stopped to the lowest of lows. Yeah the pacers could’ve been a bit more composed but when emotions are that high, ultimately it was the fans who made it much worse than it should’ve been. Hopefully the pacers players involved can forgive the pistons fans and I hope the pistons fans realize how much damage they did to the image of the league and what they cost those players.
What's the name of this doc and where can I find it?
Love Jermaine, one of the nicest guys on the planet.
Pacer Jermaine is no Joke
at his prime he's the 5th best PF behind Timmy,Dirk,KG,Cwebb 💪🏽
Stop it he was never better than prime dirk or prime cwebb
@@dexterbryant2371 Oh my bad
i'd say 5th
@@dexterbryant2371 he say 5th bruh
I got J.O 5th okay but wait i think i go with Amar'e at 5th then J.O at 6?? Wait idk maybe tie?
I’m a Pacers fan, have been from before JO’s career, I hope this turns out well for him, unfortunately he is still
missing the point, the Pacers put up with a lot from that team and the real deal was them shooting up a local bar in Indy after the Malice, the Pacers as an organization tried to give them all passes and didn’t get tough until the Pacers fans stopped coming in protest against the team, but not until after the shooting, which is hard to believe.
Payton Manning was getting along with the Colts at that time too, so it happened quickly, they lost the city from that moment the team embarrassed the community, and the NBA so lopsidedly favored the Pistons, and the Pistons acted like sore losers period.
Yo i need the link to that “grown men don’t share blunts” hoody I already copped that “this is my smoking hoody” in that kush green and it’s 🔥