I actually recently blew out my back because because I fell with my tenors on. And everything you said is so true. I have had help with all of this to keep my condition from getting worse because my knees and back are already really bad. I'm probably going to have long term damage. I have been through many chiropractor appointments and trips to the ER and so many muscle spasms. It sucks but I love tenors so I guess it's worth it 😂
Yea, that's what they all say right? You suffer and make sacrifices because of love. But if we can avoid the damage or at least minimize it, then why shouldn't we try harder to protect our long term health? I can understand if you're like an NBA player and you have some mangles fingers, but can still use it long term, the that's one thing. But if you jeopardize your ability to walk, then I don't think it's worth it. Wow chiro and ER for you....well, take care of yourself alright?!
karldrumtech Yeah definitely! Since this post I have recovered a lot. Still some minor pain from the injury but for the most part I am feeling good again and it hasn't effected my ability to keep marching which has been great!
Ouch!! In HS Marching band 1983, I tripped while walking with tenors on in darkened grass area. I fell front facing and landed with my right leg shin bone slamming against the rim of tenors. Didnt break the bone but ohh the pain... to this day, I can feel a lil throb in that area and a small chunk of missing bone fragment to remind me just how much "fun" I had in marching band.
I think it's worth it anytime you are concerned with the long term health of your members. If you have problems, you'll wish you paid that money earlier...right? :)
During marching season I I marched 4th and 5th bass and even weeks after marching season ended I had back pain. Even when standing up for long periods of time like at work my back is worse than it has been ever before
I'm so sorry to hear that :( Definitely check with your doctor to make sure you are not going to suffer from long term damage and if you are, you definitely need to re-evaluate your situation. But like I said in the video, for overall back health, make sure you use your abs, glutes and thighs more than you use your back. Hope this helps!
I JUST got into band this year and im in eighth grade. I can't go ten minutes without my back feeling like it's about to give out. I play snare, so it's definitely not one of the heavy drums, but I've never been in band before, and I don't nearly have as much padding as the other band students. I have also never carried a snare before, i definitely feel like this will help me build up my muscles to help me hold the snare for longer. I really hope working out those muscles will take away from my back pain a little, because it gets unbearable.
@@KarlDrumTech I am too, man. I had to play them for this college thing and man they were heavy as shit, and me being a bottom bass player it was even worse
@@elansleazebaganno Dang...I think that makes sense tho. Bass drums don't protrude on your body as far as quads and that distance from your body creates more pressure, hence more "weight"
These videoes are helping. I am in the process of moving from pit to battery,Tenors to be exact. And i am learning a lot of different things i didn't think i would. It is very hard and is taking a lot of time to practice. My back hurts ALL of the time. And i do stand werid like curved and this video just gave me a lot of pointers. Thank you
I'm glad I clicked on this I'm going into freshman year on tenors but I'm only like 5'6 and 120 pounds so this was a bit of a realization that I just need to be careful so thank you👍
I'm glad you clicked on this :) But yes, please do be careful! I don't want you to have long term problems. It's a long life, so don't spend most of it in pain :D
Am I junior snare player I usually play concert bass drum but they needed a snare player for drumline so I volunteered and oh boy my lower back that first day I'm glad I did dance the previous year so I was a little prepared
That's awesome! Glad that dance helped you to be a little prepared. Make sure to continue to strengthen your back per the video. It might get easier just by doing it, but in the long run, it might be better to get stronger on your own. Have fun playing snare!
Carl i have a Video idea I would appreciate ...do you have any advice about how to mold the minds of young drummers to not develop bad habits , maybe learn faster. how can I be the best teacher to them ?
I’m a girl who’s 5’1 currently playing quads on my senior year. It’s my first year marching with them because I tried bass last year and nearly passed out and blew my back out and now my posture is terrible I stand like this ) with my back inverted and I have no idea what to do. I also play piano, work, and do dance and I love playing quads especially for football games but I feel as if there is nothing I can do to change my posture ever again or not nearly pass out.
I think you have to do everything you can to see if you can get stronger. Build up your core strength, back and lower leg muscles. I know it's easier said than done, but consult a fitness expert and a physical therapist. You will have your back for the rest of your life...I think it'll be worth the extra mile to take care of it and get the right experts to advice you. But I get it...if you love it, you make sacrifices. Just remember... you only get one body for the rest of your life so make sure to take care of it now, so it'll take care of you later :) keep me posted!
I’m a sophomore on my second year of playing tenors and the best advice I can say is that staying athletically conditioned year round will really help everything like your endurance when carrying the drums and almost everything else
Carrying tenors really ruined my body (and flared an illness i didnt know i had yet) but i cant regret it because it was fun. I wish i knew more about it as I was young i could have made the issue less / lighter. But a huge problem was the carriers since we had really old ones with non-adjustability & no support, if anything that'll probably ruin everyone who came in behind us' back.. At least i can make sure the future students I'll end up teaching will know about it and try to be healthier!
Yes! Can't do anything about it now other than to educate others! Well, you can still work on the injuries you sustained by practicing good habits and exercising. I think your issues will improve over time and will lead to an overall healthier life in the long run :)
i’m in drumline & in 8th grade, 5”1, and only play bass 2. but when i’m marching only like 20 minutes in i feel as though i can’t even operate properly. i’m always in pain days after. my arms are always so sore from constantly lifting the drum on and off to practice all the sets. i hate it and want to play snare already haha
Not even on drumline at my school. I march a giant bari sax and this will definitely help. Especially marching with it over a mile in the Memorial Day parade tomorrow
That's not good if it hurts. Try getting a back to see if it helps. It could help with better posture which could help with the pain. Also of course, look to get stronger in the areas mentioned in the video!
I have band camp soon. I’m very nervous I made snare my freshman year ( this year ) and I’ve already accepted I’m gonna die of pain. I can’t hold my drum for more than 20 minutes without dying-
Oh no....well, do everything you can to take care of yourself for your short-term AND long-term health. If you need to take a break, talk to the instructors and don't push yourself too hard. Meanwhile, always get advice from your primary doctor, maybe talk to a chiropractor, regularly build your fitness levels, and have good eating habits. Hope this helps! Good luck with camp and have fun!
@@KarlDrumTech Thank you I’ll be sure to watch it! Camp is next week and I’ve almost got Movement 1 down. Thank you so much for the tips and help! Edit: And I sure will keep y’all posted! Hopefully we win drums this year!
That's tough, so you gotta get tougher and get your strength and fitness level up. If it's too much, ask your instructors to consider you get put on a smaller drum. It's not worth messing with your long term physical well being for a temporary situation.
Yeah same with me im in middle school and i have bass 4, whenever i go home my back hurts so muchh, like it hurts for me to have good posture, and i can't run properly anymore, i also feel like something is being pulled in my back to, its the worst pain ive ever had.
@@jackthecommenter2768 i’m in the seventh grade and just got back from practice, and i’m in painnnnnn. i play bass drum 4 and we practice for 5 hours straight
at my highschool we use old pearl drums and haven't replace the carriers since we got the drums, is it possible that an improperly fitted carrier can also hurt your back? also the carriers are the old randy may pearl carriers
Sure, but if everything is adjusted correctly and the drum is ergonomically worn on your body, then it should be fine. Just make sure the drums are level and sits at the correct angles. The newer harness are designed so this can be achieved a lot easier, while you may need to put in more work to achieve a similar result on older harnesses. Hope this helps!
You simply have to get stronger. I highly suggest resistance and weight training targeting your core, back and legs. Work on your cardio as well to increase your lung capacity as you'll need to give your muscles lots of blood and oxygen in order to perform. Work at this everyday! Keep us posted and let me know if you have any questions along the way!
Hello! I really want to play tenors next year, but I’m only 5’1” ish. Do you think it’d be possible and/or safe if I just really work out my gluts and core? Or should I just stick to something else...?
silverz heya! I just couldn’t keep the tenors on for the life of me. So I just completed my fourth year on marimba last year. :) Take care of your back!!
OMG!!!! Who told you there aren't many muscles in your back!!!! Your back is ALL muscle. Your trapezoid muscle is a very important muscle that will help with carrying your drum. Look into neck muscles also. Strengthen them all. The core is really important but there are muscles in your back that can be vital in helping carry things.
Hmm, perhaps I should've worded it that you have more more muscle in your glutes or it has the biggest mass compared to your muscles in other parts of your body comparatively speaking. But I thought that's what I said? Well regardless, I do acknowledge that I should've said that you should strengthen your back muscles as well, even if you are not relying on that as much COMPARATIVELY speaking. I realize I did not say that at all and if I hit this topic again, I would mention it at that time. I don't think we are necessarily in disagreement here, so thank you for your thoughts :)
I have had problems with my back from years of carrying both snares and bass 3. It is the latissimus dots I muscles that will burn when carrying. Developing good core muscles is a hugely important exercise that drumline should emphasize. I've been in and seen lines that do warm-ups that really don't help in the long run. They tend to follow the warm-ups that the horn lines do and it needs to be changed to help the line. So many drummers have back issues after they age out.
I actually recently blew out my back because because I fell with my tenors on. And everything you said is so true. I have had help with all of this to keep my condition from getting worse because my knees and back are already really bad. I'm probably going to have long term damage. I have been through many chiropractor appointments and trips to the ER and so many muscle spasms. It sucks but I love tenors so I guess it's worth it 😂
Yea, that's what they all say right? You suffer and make sacrifices because of love. But if we can avoid the damage or at least minimize it, then why shouldn't we try harder to protect our long term health? I can understand if you're like an NBA player and you have some mangles fingers, but can still use it long term, the that's one thing. But if you jeopardize your ability to walk, then I don't think it's worth it. Wow chiro and ER for you....well, take care of yourself alright?!
karldrumtech Yeah definitely! Since this post I have recovered a lot. Still some minor pain from the injury but for the most part I am feeling good again and it hasn't effected my ability to keep marching which has been great!
Ouch!!
In HS Marching band 1983, I tripped while walking with tenors on in darkened grass area. I fell front facing and landed with my right leg shin bone slamming against the rim of tenors. Didnt break the bone but ohh the pain... to this day, I can feel a lil throb in that area and a small chunk of missing bone fragment to remind me just how much "fun" I had in marching band.
we have an unofficial official chiropractor for our line. It's honestly the best thing, but it takes a lot of money every other month.
I think it's worth it anytime you are concerned with the long term health of your members. If you have problems, you'll wish you paid that money earlier...right? :)
Absolutely! It makes a WORLD of difference.
Same can be said for cymbals too. You need your back
YES! And big horns!
During marching season I I marched 4th and 5th bass and even weeks after marching season ended I had back pain. Even when standing up for long periods of time like at work my back is worse than it has been ever before
I'm so sorry to hear that :( Definitely check with your doctor to make sure you are not going to suffer from long term damage and if you are, you definitely need to re-evaluate your situation. But like I said in the video, for overall back health, make sure you use your abs, glutes and thighs more than you use your back. Hope this helps!
I JUST got into band this year and im in eighth grade. I can't go ten minutes without my back feeling like it's about to give out. I play snare, so it's definitely not one of the heavy drums, but I've never been in band before, and I don't nearly have as much padding as the other band students. I have also never carried a snare before, i definitely feel like this will help me build up my muscles to help me hold the snare for longer. I really hope working out those muscles will take away from my back pain a little, because it gets unbearable.
Mara Goetz you probably have a higher tolerance by now
Sorry to respond so late! But how are you doing these days?
Our HS bought Tama drums, I’ve accepted my fate.
Oh are they heavy?
@@KarlDrumTech Very.
@@elansleazebaganno glad I don't have to march those lol
@@KarlDrumTech I am too, man. I had to play them for this college thing and man they were heavy as shit, and me being a bottom bass player it was even worse
@@elansleazebaganno Dang...I think that makes sense tho. Bass drums don't protrude on your body as far as quads and that distance from your body creates more pressure, hence more "weight"
These videoes are helping. I am in the process of moving from pit to battery,Tenors to be exact. And i am learning a lot of different things i didn't think i would. It is very hard and is taking a lot of time to practice. My back hurts ALL of the time. And i do stand werid like curved and this video just gave me a lot of pointers. Thank you
I'm so glad this helped. Do not ruin your back for something temporary. Get stronger and avoid any injury!
I'm glad I clicked on this I'm going into freshman year on tenors but I'm only like 5'6 and 120 pounds so this was a bit of a realization that I just need to be careful so thank you👍
I'm glad you clicked on this :) But yes, please do be careful! I don't want you to have long term problems. It's a long life, so don't spend most of it in pain :D
Kyle Books same but I’m 5’3 and I am 100 pounds
I own a bass 6 (32") it was heavy at first now its super light
Ah! Clearly you got stronger! :)
So you got scholoiosis from Tenors 6 months ago on your comment. And now you are carrying a bass. Superman!
As a new bass 5 and a quad wannabe thanks!
Yup, this is very important! Gotta think about long term health vs. short term...I dunno...glory? haha
Am I junior snare player I usually play concert bass drum but they needed a snare player for drumline so I volunteered and oh boy my lower back that first day I'm glad I did dance the previous year so I was a little prepared
That's awesome! Glad that dance helped you to be a little prepared. Make sure to continue to strengthen your back per the video. It might get easier just by doing it, but in the long run, it might be better to get stronger on your own. Have fun playing snare!
Carl i have a Video idea I would appreciate ...do you have any advice about how to mold the minds of young drummers to not develop bad habits , maybe learn faster. how can I be the best teacher to them ?
And that is pretty much my latest video :) Thanks for the suggestion; it's a good one!
dang thanks so muchhhh, this video answered like all of my questions. i’m a tri tom player as a freshman but i’m long and skinny so not much padding 😉
I'm so happy that this video continues to help 2 years later :) Thanks for letting me know!
I’m a girl who’s 5’1 currently playing quads on my senior year. It’s my first year marching with them because I tried bass last year and nearly passed out and blew my back out and now my posture is terrible I stand like this ) with my back inverted and I have no idea what to do. I also play piano, work, and do dance and I love playing quads especially for football games but I feel as if there is nothing I can do to change my posture ever again or not nearly pass out.
I think you have to do everything you can to see if you can get stronger. Build up your core strength, back and lower leg muscles. I know it's easier said than done, but consult a fitness expert and a physical therapist. You will have your back for the rest of your life...I think it'll be worth the extra mile to take care of it and get the right experts to advice you. But I get it...if you love it, you make sacrifices. Just remember... you only get one body for the rest of your life so make sure to take care of it now, so it'll take care of you later :) keep me posted!
I play a bigger bass drum and I have back pain a little when marching this video really helped
Sorry to respond so late, but I'm so glad this helped!
I’m a sophomore on my second year of playing tenors and the best advice I can say is that staying athletically conditioned year round will really help everything like your endurance when carrying the drums and almost everything else
Nice! That is very good, solid advice!!!!
Carrying tenors really ruined my body (and flared an illness i didnt know i had yet) but i cant regret it because it was fun. I wish i knew more about it as I was young i could have made the issue less / lighter.
But a huge problem was the carriers since we had really old ones with non-adjustability & no support, if anything that'll probably ruin everyone who came in behind us' back..
At least i can make sure the future students I'll end up teaching will know about it and try to be healthier!
Yes! Can't do anything about it now other than to educate others! Well, you can still work on the injuries you sustained by practicing good habits and exercising. I think your issues will improve over time and will lead to an overall healthier life in the long run :)
i’m in drumline & in 8th grade, 5”1, and only play bass 2. but when i’m marching only like 20 minutes in i feel as though i can’t even operate properly. i’m always in pain days after. my arms are always so sore from constantly lifting the drum on and off to practice all the sets. i hate it and want to play snare already haha
Oooh that's good motivation to get snare chops! Haha in the meantime, take care of your health!
I’m a freshman in high school with the biggest bass drum in our drum line and i hope this works
I was carrying a set a tenors for the first time to play on em, and my back started hurting a few minutes into it, I play a 28” bass 5 😂
Sorry to respond so late, but omg that's brutal! All for the love of the game ;)
Not even on drumline at my school. I march a giant bari sax and this will definitely help. Especially marching with it over a mile in the Memorial Day parade tomorrow
Yes!!! I'm so glad this can help you! Have fun tomorrow :)
I marched OLD Ludwig drums in high school.... Permanent damage in the lower third of my back. Doctors were talking about surgery by the time I was 25.
Sorry to respond so late, but I'm sorry to hear it :/
I’m a freshman, about 5’4, and I’m on bass 3, which for me is huge. Really concerned about my back cause whenever I’m wearing it hurts so bad.
That's not good if it hurts. Try getting a back to see if it helps. It could help with better posture which could help with the pain. Also of course, look to get stronger in the areas mentioned in the video!
I have band camp soon. I’m very nervous I made snare my freshman year ( this year ) and I’ve already accepted I’m gonna die of pain. I can’t hold my drum for more than 20 minutes without dying-
Oh no....well, do everything you can to take care of yourself for your short-term AND long-term health. If you need to take a break, talk to the instructors and don't push yourself too hard. Meanwhile, always get advice from your primary doctor, maybe talk to a chiropractor, regularly build your fitness levels, and have good eating habits. Hope this helps! Good luck with camp and have fun!
@@KarlDrumTech Thank you so much! I plan on getting a back brace and doing some workouts. Thank you!
@@annab3878 Awesome! Keep us posted on your journey! :)
@@annab3878 Also, if you get a chance, I just posted this video today: ruclips.net/video/g30unI3Fxjo/видео.html
@@KarlDrumTech Thank you I’ll be sure to watch it! Camp is next week and I’ve almost got Movement 1 down. Thank you so much for the tips and help!
Edit: And I sure will keep y’all posted! Hopefully we win drums this year!
Im bass 5 on drumline, at 5,4 , 116 lb.
Take care of yourself!
why, who thought that was a great idea, unless its your frame and your drums dont weigh the amount of the entire soviet union, but wtf
@@trashvideocommentator2167 LOL soviet union
In middle school.. oh Lordy, looking for a video with tips the day before a parade.
Glad I can provide any insight! Hope any of this helps, but make sure to maintain your back health beyond the parade! Good luck!
I am middle school and have to carry a base brim and it’s so heavy and I am only 4.11 it hurts
That's tough, so you gotta get tougher and get your strength and fitness level up. If it's too much, ask your instructors to consider you get put on a smaller drum. It's not worth messing with your long term physical well being for a temporary situation.
Yeah same with me im in middle school and i have bass 4, whenever i go home my back hurts so muchh, like it hurts for me to have good posture, and i can't run properly anymore, i also feel like something is being pulled in my back to, its the worst pain ive ever had.
@@jackthecommenter2768 i’m in the seventh grade and just got back from practice, and i’m in painnnnnn. i play bass drum 4 and we practice for 5 hours straight
@@gabby-fm1jj MUAHAHAHA that's ironic how I was in 7th grade last year and I had bass drum 4.. We seem to have the same problems
@@gabby-fm1jj are you like a girl version of me or something?
at my highschool we use old pearl drums and haven't replace the carriers since we got the drums, is it possible that an improperly fitted carrier can also hurt your back? also the carriers are the old randy may pearl carriers
Sure, but if everything is adjusted correctly and the drum is ergonomically worn on your body, then it should be fine. Just make sure the drums are level and sits at the correct angles. The newer harness are designed so this can be achieved a lot easier, while you may need to put in more work to achieve a similar result on older harnesses. Hope this helps!
I'm 14 and 5'4 and play bass 1
XxMRSNIPESxX I am 15 and 5’2 and play bass 1 😂 shorties.
My friend is 5’5 and plays bass 5😂
14, 5,5 on bass 4
Anyone have any tips for someone dealing with mid/lower back pain a few years after marching tenors?
Try getting a foam roller and rolling your IT band. See if that helps!
how do i improve not dying when carrying tenor drums. i tryout soon but wanna get strength before tryouts so what should i do
You simply have to get stronger. I highly suggest resistance and weight training targeting your core, back and legs. Work on your cardio as well to increase your lung capacity as you'll need to give your muscles lots of blood and oxygen in order to perform. Work at this everyday! Keep us posted and let me know if you have any questions along the way!
How can I carry my schools system blue tenors 40 lbs if I’m 120
I was the base drum it was small my back got damaged
Sorry to reply so late. How's your back now?
Are you able to get scoliosis from Drumline? (Like with terrible format and just wrong stuff over all)
I can't say with any certainty. I was way young when they said I had some scoliosis. So... before band
I’m freshman playing bass 4 I’m scared
Start building your strength and endurance. But at the same time, you'll get stronger the longer you play Bass 4. So, don't worry too much :)
Hello! I really want to play tenors next year, but I’m only 5’1” ish. Do you think it’d be possible and/or safe if I just really work out my gluts and core? Or should I just stick to something else...?
after a year what was your decision? i'm playing tenors rn and I'm 5'8 and my back's dead lol
silverz heya! I just couldn’t keep the tenors on for the life of me. So I just completed my fourth year on marimba last year. :) Take care of your back!!
OMG!!!! Who told you there aren't many muscles in your back!!!! Your back is ALL muscle. Your trapezoid muscle is a very important muscle that will help with carrying your drum. Look into neck muscles also. Strengthen them all. The core is really important but there are muscles in your back that can be vital in helping carry things.
Work on strengthening the latissimus dorsi, the trapezoid and the deltoids.
Hmm, perhaps I should've worded it that you have more more muscle in your glutes or it has the biggest mass compared to your muscles in other parts of your body comparatively speaking. But I thought that's what I said? Well regardless, I do acknowledge that I should've said that you should strengthen your back muscles as well, even if you are not relying on that as much COMPARATIVELY speaking. I realize I did not say that at all and if I hit this topic again, I would mention it at that time. I don't think we are necessarily in disagreement here, so thank you for your thoughts :)
I have had problems with my back from years of carrying both snares and bass 3. It is the latissimus dots I muscles that will burn when carrying. Developing good core muscles is a hugely important exercise that drumline should emphasize. I've been in and seen lines that do warm-ups that really don't help in the long run. They tend to follow the warm-ups that the horn lines do and it needs to be changed to help the line. So many drummers have back issues after they age out.
Lmao I wish I watched this sooner. I have scoliosis now from carrying pearl tenors
Ugh, such a bummer...you just gotta manage with it moving forward. I wish I would've known this too
Luckily our school has shallow cut dynasty drums. They weigh a lot less then my old deep cut pearls😂
I’m a freshman 😬
Take care of your back now!
same what do u play
I played quads....I don't play them anymore and subsequently don't have to carry them ;)
I play snare but the snares my school has are super heavy and the harness is kinda old
still not as bad as tenor tho lol
bruh is everyone here shorter than 5'8"?
I am shorter than 5'8" dammit lol
@@KarlDrumTech lol