The Big Debate S12E02 | What do the big parties have to offer?

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  • Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
  • In the upcoming elections, we have the option of voting for the established parties, including the ANC, the DA and the EFF?
    What do they have to offer?

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  • @mateyeseratha8785
    @mateyeseratha8785 20 дней назад +121

    Thembekile Mrototo is brilliant at his job 👌

  • @robinson0186
    @robinson0186 20 дней назад +83

    Dr Motswaledi is fighting a lonely fight. ANC cadres has failed him

    • @mxolisicassiusmabuya9691
      @mxolisicassiusmabuya9691 19 дней назад +5

      And he is doing very well

    • @FumaniNShilubana
      @FumaniNShilubana 19 дней назад +5

      Yoh, it pains me

    • @johbracket2714
      @johbracket2714 19 дней назад +4

      He's one of the few good still left in t ANC, hard working minister as well.

    • @peterphysiotherapist2648
      @peterphysiotherapist2648 18 дней назад +2

      Due to his Pratriotism,they nominated him so he can come save their Dying Party

    • @mtshedamarunyane5465
      @mtshedamarunyane5465 16 дней назад

      Anc doesn't need this to win. He can just leave anc will still majority party. Power is power

  • @karabotauyaborwamakunyane1301
    @karabotauyaborwamakunyane1301 20 дней назад +78

    We are cruising nicely ❤

  • @obakengsethaiso8083
    @obakengsethaiso8083 20 дней назад +91

    Wen ever you see EFF on panel just take ur popcorn 🍿 nd relax nd enjoy superior logic❤❤❤

    • @maryjooste6161
      @maryjooste6161 15 дней назад

      Shame eff are not even in any munisipality

  • @floydmabasa3274
    @floydmabasa3274 20 дней назад +220

    DP Floyd Shivambu is on Point. My VOTE goes to EFF.
    EFF Voters let's gather here

  • @TheGodFather927
    @TheGodFather927 20 дней назад +89

    lol it’s hard to represent ANC in this kinds of debates 😂😂😂

  • @lockdownhouse6308
    @lockdownhouse6308 20 дней назад +75

    Let’s appreciate Thembikile & Floyd 🙏 … EFF is winning my vote so far !!

  • @user-pi5no2kk4b
    @user-pi5no2kk4b 20 дней назад +125

    Floyd you are too much for these amateurs 😂

    • @lindilelubabalozulu8476
      @lindilelubabalozulu8476 20 дней назад +9

      He's cruising nicely 😂😂

    • @justhumble1
      @justhumble1 20 дней назад +8

      The other one decided to talk about shoes😂

    • @lindilelubabalozulu8476
      @lindilelubabalozulu8476 19 дней назад +2

      @@justhumble1 content chief😂😂

    • @alexandernyamazana4795
      @alexandernyamazana4795 16 дней назад +3

      Floyd is passionate about these issues because he can relate, this man is one of the most smart political minds in SA.

  • @africarise7
    @africarise7 19 дней назад +18

    Mr Shivambu is always head and shoulders above the rest.. We want to hear so much more of him please

  • @sakkiemashile6071
    @sakkiemashile6071 20 дней назад +104

    EFF is the only intellectual movement that deserves to be given a chance...Let us all Vuka on the 29th of May and Vela at the voting stations and Vote for EFF...VUKA VELA VOTER

  • @fortunationsa4987
    @fortunationsa4987 20 дней назад +34

    This is the EFF show, clean sweep this one

  • @Loadedopinions
    @Loadedopinions 19 дней назад +46

    DA never told us anything about their strategy for economic growth except "let's continue to manage the infrastructure" for our ruling class

    • @user-yq4gy9pz9n
      @user-yq4gy9pz9n 2 дня назад

      I agree. But they have clearly done something with historical evidence backing it up, and created jobs and grown the economies trusted in their care .
      We cannot continue to give politicians power, without having responsibility meeting with accountability in such high value and influential people.
      Most politicians only make promises where as thousands of new jobs have been created under the supervision of the DA.

    • @Loadedopinions
      @Loadedopinions 2 дня назад

      @@user-yq4gy9pz9n what do you mean they have done well ? 20% unemployment rate with abundance of resources, ocean economy and tourism but still manage to keep your population of just 7.4 million at 20%? Lol you are joking.... Other provinces like Limpopo only a single industry is outperforming them at 30% comparatively!

  • @user-de4it3cb8k
    @user-de4it3cb8k 20 дней назад +37

    I really respect Dr Motsoaledi but the party he represents makes him looks like a fool or headless chicken, it's hard this days when you represent the ANC

  • @MrLechesa
    @MrLechesa 20 дней назад +61

    Floyd Shivambu never disappoints. Solly Msimang's best point was referring to Nyiko's shoes after he was used to wipe the floor. Nothing of substance.
    The less said about Ntate Aaron the better.
    I am more than convinced EFF is the only Option to vote for.

  • @njabulonhlaka1513
    @njabulonhlaka1513 20 дней назад +114

    EFF is making this look easy 😭😂

    • @Uayandaaa
      @Uayandaaa 7 дней назад

      yhoooooo. You can say that again

  • @lindalinda5102
    @lindalinda5102 20 дней назад +48

    Floyd never disappoint

  • @tgswartlane6317
    @tgswartlane6317 20 дней назад +47

    I hear some of you are complaining about the host, well he’s sticking to time management, he’s not interrupting, time people time. That’s professionalism right there.

  • @happymabs7310
    @happymabs7310 19 дней назад +83

    First time voting and EFF has won my vote. I hope they deliver ❤

  • @stephenpheratsetse2703
    @stephenpheratsetse2703 20 дней назад +70

    ❤ EFF all the way to the BALLOT 🗳️! Myself, my family and friends including relative are going to vote for the EFF. ❤

  • @deliwematoba2647
    @deliwematoba2647 19 дней назад +51

    The DA always pointing fingers instead of answering questions!

    • @deliwematoba2647
      @deliwematoba2647 19 дней назад +10

      Many questions about the Western Cape that is not properly governed were never amswered

  • @mphomashiloane3276
    @mphomashiloane3276 20 дней назад +220

    Ballot 1 EFF
    Ballot 2 EFF
    Ballot 3 EFF

    • @mogopodiphiri6286
      @mogopodiphiri6286 19 дней назад +2

      🫴🏽🖤❤💚🗳️🌍🕊️🙌🏿💪🏽🤓🙏🏿

    • @penekedirero4636
      @penekedirero4636 18 дней назад

      You should read up on Stalin to understand the EFF.

    • @GrootManEiniqua
      @GrootManEiniqua 18 дней назад +6

      With that said I give South Africa about a month to be the next Zimbabwe and Venezuela… But luckily for us the EFF will never have an outright majority. ActionSA, PA and IFP are quickly becoming favourites amongst South Africans because they’re actually addressing the people’s grievances and they actually have a track record to prove it.

    • @norahmolefe3583
      @norahmolefe3583 17 дней назад +3

      ​, nine days left for you to wake up from your slumber 😅

    • @user-xv8yn7cs2l
      @user-xv8yn7cs2l 16 дней назад +1

      Is Dagga party still around? If they still available I am considering them to lead SA

  • @segolelophakane
    @segolelophakane 20 дней назад +103

    the mighty eff as usual asserts its outhorety . OF all these polotetions eff is only ones who are realistic . Lets vote EFF ✊

  • @tmlsa9830
    @tmlsa9830 20 дней назад +197

    1st Ballot - EFF ❤
    2nd Ballot - EFF 🖤
    3rd Ballot - EFF 💚

    • @thabelofortune
      @thabelofortune 20 дней назад +7

      1st Ballot 🗳 EFF ❤
      2nd Ballot 🗳 EFF 🖤
      3rd Ballot 🗳 EFF 💚

    • @AustinMagwenzi
      @AustinMagwenzi 20 дней назад +8

      Vote EFF if you want to be same as zimbabwe

    • @thabelofortune
      @thabelofortune 20 дней назад +7

      Viva EFF Viva.
      Not even illiterate should believe to hearsay.

    • @user-ku5oi9nh2r
      @user-ku5oi9nh2r 19 дней назад

      After how they treated Naledi , bafazi stay away, you won’t get maternity leave.

    • @sbonisoirvin5823
      @sbonisoirvin5823 19 дней назад +3

      Mine is only EFF National and the other two be Provincial and regional goes to MK Party.
      Course I believe they won't make much impact national, but EFF will shake the ANC.

  • @MrPoliteAgain
    @MrPoliteAgain 20 дней назад +82

    EFF should take care of that girl's family ❤ EFF is the only hope.

  • @tebohomogano4993
    @tebohomogano4993 20 дней назад +73

    Woza woza woza....EFF❤️🖤💚

  • @temboisaacpep2648
    @temboisaacpep2648 20 дней назад +44

    Shibambu never disappoint ❤

  • @chilizinebodzandala5158
    @chilizinebodzandala5158 20 дней назад +35

    We have confidence in the most capable DP Shivambu # EFF

  • @elrichfernandinho9356
    @elrichfernandinho9356 20 дней назад +65

    EFF❤️💚🖤

  • @sqinisekoandreus6130
    @sqinisekoandreus6130 20 дней назад +65

    EFF is in charge

  • @nthabisengmoiloa9179
    @nthabisengmoiloa9179 20 дней назад +98

    EFF won this debate

    • @dectorsetente4809
      @dectorsetente4809 18 дней назад +4

      Floyd is very sharp.

    • @SonOfTheSoil834
      @SonOfTheSoil834 16 дней назад +1

      As always belive me🙏🏽

    • @TshepisoMogami
      @TshepisoMogami 14 дней назад

      yet wher they govern they fail.DA is the only party with a track record

  • @bonganihlungwane4612
    @bonganihlungwane4612 20 дней назад +52

    Solly's responses have shown that DA's focus is on infrastructure and pleasing the Europeans to invest in SA, he did not say much about what directly concern people, meaning their focus has nothing to do with people themselves rather the buildings and money coming in.
    ANC's response shows that they have made serious mistakes right in the beginning of 1994, which are more revealed by today's generation, previous ones trusted ANC so much that they did not see mischievous deeds of ANC, and that made ANC to cruise on their deeds not knowing a generation to challenge them will rise.
    EFF answered well, they were theoretical about the challenges the country faces, their solutions feels so practical as if they are already implementing them. The responses built hope in people's heart.

    • @lessimz4135
      @lessimz4135 19 дней назад +3

      Very true

    • @user-ku5oi9nh2r
      @user-ku5oi9nh2r 19 дней назад +3

      Well said

    • @makhadoratombo7123
      @makhadoratombo7123 19 дней назад +3

      100% on point

    • @lyma3880
      @lyma3880 15 дней назад +2

      Without infrastructure how will the investors come to great jobs here.....I am a black person I closed shop because my truck would always have problems because of bad roads.... whoever complains about infrastructure has never been in a situation of facing loss on buying 16 big tires more often because of the corrupt government that you pay a huge amount of Tax from that company they kill
      Go vote for your EFF where you'll have hunger because of chasing people who have been creating jobs in SA....vote for EFF for floods everywhere because they encourage people to grab lands that are not serviced to accommodate people
      Vote ANC for the ongoing poverty

    • @devol_1
      @devol_1 13 дней назад +2

      ^ a black person called Lyma ? yeah right dude.

  • @nicodimusmojela8057
    @nicodimusmojela8057 20 дней назад +132

    My vote goes to the EFF unashamedly. They are independently having ideas that are solely addressing interests of previously disadvantaged people and black people in particular. Thank you EFF.♥️🖤💚

    • @rudzani.d.mukoma8659
      @rudzani.d.mukoma8659 20 дней назад +2

      this guys are masters of this research

    • @shanaazcloete8531
      @shanaazcloete8531 18 дней назад +4

      Only fools believe their pie in the sky nonsense.

    • @johannstrauss3779
      @johannstrauss3779 18 дней назад

      Only fools and qwere Qweres vote for the EFF

    • @frankjolijo
      @frankjolijo 14 дней назад

      Economic Freedom in our life time 💪👊🔥

    • @TimuRexGeorge
      @TimuRexGeorge 14 дней назад

      ​@@shanaazcloete8531it's his vote

  • @qhawejames134
    @qhawejames134 20 дней назад +77

    Floyd is shoulder above these guys they're no match to him

  • @AlexNtokola
    @AlexNtokola 19 дней назад +18

    Indeed the EFF is the future ❤️💚🖤come 29th of May vote EFF

  • @blesantkerrynmaluleke6269
    @blesantkerrynmaluleke6269 20 дней назад +67

    It is only the EFF that can save this country.

  • @khubiratsatsi
    @khubiratsatsi 19 дней назад +20

    BALLOT 1 EFF
    BALLOT 2 EFF
    BALLOT 3 EFF

  • @molokoemmanuelraphahlelo7600
    @molokoemmanuelraphahlelo7600 20 дней назад +72

    EFF❤

  • @MuzuvukileMthethwa-dw4ds
    @MuzuvukileMthethwa-dw4ds 20 дней назад +96

    EFF has proven once more to be the only organization which is a solution to our problems

    • @shanaazcloete8531
      @shanaazcloete8531 18 дней назад

      You foreigners are out in full force tonight.

    • @frankjolijo
      @frankjolijo 14 дней назад

      We are the generation that we have been waiting for🔥💪👊

    • @user-yq4gy9pz9n
      @user-yq4gy9pz9n 2 дня назад

      There no solution here. Jus promises of something like a solution.

  • @isaacmaluleke3228
    @isaacmaluleke3228 19 дней назад +30

    My vote is not a secret...
    st Ballot - EFF ❤
    2nd Ballot - EFF 🖤
    3rd Ballot - EFF

  • @armanschris4293
    @armanschris4293 20 дней назад +159

    EFF has a clear plan

    • @tebogomogotsi121
      @tebogomogotsi121 20 дней назад +2

      Instead of grants negotiate with nestle and huggies or (local manufactures of baby supplements)get discounts as will be buying in bulk as a government. That in return will create employment, TM. What's hard in doing that? Eff trust u will protect and execute my idea. ✊🏿

    • @MrAnix-cw5bg
      @MrAnix-cw5bg 8 дней назад

      Why would they want to give discounts. Companies want to make profit​@@tebogomogotsi121

    • @user-yq4gy9pz9n
      @user-yq4gy9pz9n 2 дня назад

      No they don't. They can't even deliver on their promises

  • @wonderwonder7255
    @wonderwonder7255 20 дней назад +104

    VOTE EFF INTELLECTUALS

  • @manigga3309
    @manigga3309 20 дней назад +20

    Eff Eff Eff ✊🏼✊🏼

  • @user-dn9bz5cw1p
    @user-dn9bz5cw1p 20 дней назад +29

    Dp of eff is telling them the truth forward eff

  • @ntombifuthidlamini3372
    @ntombifuthidlamini3372 20 дней назад +32

    The long breaks inbetween should have been edited out.

  • @BaneleThwala-fs7nr
    @BaneleThwala-fs7nr 20 дней назад +19

    Floyd we salute. 💯. Thatha EFF thata. 💪

  • @nuzzproudteetotaler2072
    @nuzzproudteetotaler2072 18 дней назад +11

    Let me say it in here, i remember Mcebo Dlamini's words when he said "you can't defend ANC without looking stupid" look at that guy now😅

  • @melathisiphahlanga9583
    @melathisiphahlanga9583 19 дней назад +15

    Seems there's only one real option in this coming election if we are being honest with our selves,...EFF, EFf and EFF!!!

  • @masemolasekwati9894
    @masemolasekwati9894 20 дней назад +82

    Guys on the 29th of May. Let us go all out to vote for the Economic Freedom Fighters.

    • @Sevanna_jones
      @Sevanna_jones 20 дней назад +2

      Eff have anger honestly,

    • @user-pe6bv8bb7q
      @user-pe6bv8bb7q 19 дней назад +3

      You like Ramaphosa cos he is not talking about the land yes we have land anger and racism

    • @Josephine-go9df
      @Josephine-go9df 19 дней назад +4

      ​@@Sevanna_jonesI understand their anger they are bleeding inside because of the suffering of their fellow blacks in their own land

    • @andrewandrew6284
      @andrewandrew6284 19 дней назад +2

      Viva EFF Viva ❤❤❤

    • @jacqueslandman8044
      @jacqueslandman8044 12 дней назад

      ​@@Josephine-go9dfTheir own black brothers failed them.

  • @TravelWithMe_111
    @TravelWithMe_111 20 дней назад +102

    EFF must win

  • @Itsyourgallexxie
    @Itsyourgallexxie 20 дней назад +45

    EFF EFF EFF to the front ❤

  • @LM-to5qb
    @LM-to5qb 20 дней назад +20

    ANC is old, out of steam, they are sending old people to represent them.

  • @bebelomoketla7895
    @bebelomoketla7895 18 дней назад +62

    I am that young person who is going to vote for the EFF

    • @user-yq4gy9pz9n
      @user-yq4gy9pz9n 2 дня назад

      Clearly you're lacking some intellectual information instead of politicians appealing to your feelings

  • @jeffreymagongoe8883
    @jeffreymagongoe8883 20 дней назад +15

    If you as a youth you going to vote anc there's something wrong with you EFF is the way to go for the future

  • @brightonndlovu6293
    @brightonndlovu6293 19 дней назад +21

    EFF demolished them until they became personal

  • @politicssouthafrica3591
    @politicssouthafrica3591 20 дней назад +21

    EFF
    EFF
    EFF

  • @WilfredMoraba-bj7yv
    @WilfredMoraba-bj7yv 20 дней назад +28

    EFF is mastering the debate❤❤

  • @africamymotherland5962
    @africamymotherland5962 19 дней назад +13

    YERRR THIS FLOYD IS BRILLIANT!!!👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿

  • @Itsyourgallexxie
    @Itsyourgallexxie 20 дней назад +98

    Phambili nge EFF phambili ❤

  • @thembankabinde7327
    @thembankabinde7327 20 дней назад +68

    We are sobor as youth we are voting EFF

    • @sasha8664
      @sasha8664 19 дней назад

      You are drunk as foreigners and wont be abke to vote EFF

    • @user-yq4gy9pz9n
      @user-yq4gy9pz9n 2 дня назад

      No we not. You just drunk

  • @user-dk9bt4mu9u
    @user-dk9bt4mu9u 20 дней назад +35

    EFF-phambili

  • @molefe7972
    @molefe7972 19 дней назад +12

    We are Led here...DP is jus showing of😅f❤❤❤Vote EFF

  • @kgomotsomfisa7038
    @kgomotsomfisa7038 20 дней назад +23

    First ballot 🗳 EFF
    Second ballot 🗳 EFF
    Third ballot 🗳 EFF

  • @simingayemasimula118
    @simingayemasimula118 20 дней назад +46

    EFF all the way!!!❤❤❤

  • @zamoblacktiger
    @zamoblacktiger 18 дней назад +9

    EFF did better in this debate and they answered questions clearly. Vote EFF. Voetsek DA

  • @thamiemthwana194
    @thamiemthwana194 20 дней назад +64

    13 days left... Counting down to Vote EFF...

  • @robinson0186
    @robinson0186 20 дней назад +20

    DA is out of touch with reality faced by majority of South Africa hence they'll never grow beyond 20%. Their policies have enrich a tiny minority and harm everyone else. But at the same time they want to gain popular support that a tricky operation if you ask me

  • @tembekantsokota5595
    @tembekantsokota5595 19 дней назад +15

    Yoh give flowers 🌹 to EFF guy's

  • @jacklenge531
    @jacklenge531 20 дней назад +46

    EFF need to be in power

  • @siyabongamazibuko7368
    @siyabongamazibuko7368 20 дней назад +57

    Lol i haven't watched it but I saw Floyd is representing us, let me go get some popcorn to watch Floyd school them all

  • @thandolwethumogweni5273
    @thandolwethumogweni5273 20 дней назад +26

    EFF ❤❤ .
    Imagine not voting EFF and still regards yourself normal 🤔

  • @Eliezer-God_Our_Helper
    @Eliezer-God_Our_Helper 20 дней назад +32

    EFF all the way, they know what they're doing.

  • @jabulaniSiweya
    @jabulaniSiweya 20 дней назад +23

    Eff is the only solution

  • @tlhaketaioe1601
    @tlhaketaioe1601 20 дней назад +81

    Vote EFF

  • @isaacchipatala1618
    @isaacchipatala1618 20 дней назад +51

    ❤❤❤EFF

  • @vunkuluaundy6297
    @vunkuluaundy6297 20 дней назад +23

    2024 has to be our 1994❤

  • @tshimamavhina9882
    @tshimamavhina9882 19 дней назад +27

    With EFF we will conquer.

    • @user-yq4gy9pz9n
      @user-yq4gy9pz9n 2 дня назад

      Conquer? Conquer what? The scraps that will be left behind...
      All I see is promises without anything happening

  • @user-dn9bz5cw1p
    @user-dn9bz5cw1p 20 дней назад +39

    Let's vote for eff guys

  • @thabothusi1216
    @thabothusi1216 20 дней назад +18

    Floyd Nyiko Shivambu✊🏾❤🖤💚

  • @lazolangcengula9511
    @lazolangcengula9511 20 дней назад +9

    In every debate I have seen thus far, the ANC has failed to impress.

  • @lazolangcengula9511
    @lazolangcengula9511 20 дней назад +15

    Let the EFF paint theis country Red on the 29th of May

  • @nomarussia5085
    @nomarussia5085 20 дней назад +33

    School them Floyd

    • @user-pi6fs7ue7r
      @user-pi6fs7ue7r 20 дней назад +3

      Hes not schooling anybody voteDa

    • @tmlsa9830
      @tmlsa9830 20 дней назад +10

      He's mopping the floor with them.🤣🤣🤣

    • @user-pe6bv8bb7q
      @user-pe6bv8bb7q 19 дней назад +1

      Floyd is sweeping ❤

  • @sonononetwork8355
    @sonononetwork8355 19 дней назад +10

    Well done Eff

  • @sbusisotshabalala4031
    @sbusisotshabalala4031 20 дней назад +16

    Yhoooo EFF im convinced.. phambili EFF

  • @paulosledile
    @paulosledile 20 дней назад +16

    Eff

  • @lebogang7600
    @lebogang7600 20 дней назад +20

    Byeeee ANC you had 30 years to change things bafethu yerrrr

  • @bobbyshabangu
    @bobbyshabangu 20 дней назад +13

    EFF won this debate!

  • @Trekwithmatt
    @Trekwithmatt 20 дней назад +8

    Really unfair to focus on Cape Town at the start. Floyd is right, you can’t blame people flocking to urban areas to find jobs. The ANC should have developed the rural areas over the last 30 years. Hundreds of thousands of people are moving to the Western Cape each year. It is impossible to build enough houses for everyone.

  • @thulanicollen9272
    @thulanicollen9272 20 дней назад +9

    Minister you have made a mistake to debate with Floyd 😂

  • @MpenduloMpesh-sf7ww
    @MpenduloMpesh-sf7ww 20 дней назад +32

    My vote go to EFF ❤❤❤

  • @kealebogakgatitswe8546
    @kealebogakgatitswe8546 19 дней назад +7

    The DA and ANC literally said nothing😭
    They basically saying they can’t improve the economy themselves and they depend on foreign investment. Which means more money going out of the country🤦‍♂️

  • @nyamadevhutshilo8830
    @nyamadevhutshilo8830 19 дней назад +8

    Eff makes a lot of sense as anc Ai lost touch to reality

  • @TSHEPOMANAKS
    @TSHEPOMANAKS 20 дней назад +12

    EFF!!!

  • @tiyanilaw2820
    @tiyanilaw2820 19 дней назад +10

    EFF must win ❤

  • @user-mp9pp5wd2o
    @user-mp9pp5wd2o 20 дней назад +21

    Floyd 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

  • @mthandazoknowledgematsepe9494
    @mthandazoknowledgematsepe9494 20 дней назад +13

    My vote goes to EFF

  • @tsepom455
    @tsepom455 20 дней назад +35

    Viva EFF ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

  • @mbulelomeyiwa5659
    @mbulelomeyiwa5659 19 дней назад +13

    EFF, indeed should try to see if the lady who is suffering on breast cancer be speedly assisted. Because, it clear ukuthi EFF is the only political machinery that has a serious care for our masses

  • @ndubanesol111
    @ndubanesol111 19 дней назад +6

    Ballot1 EFF, Ballot2 EFF, Ballot3 EFF . I really pity Dr A Motsoaledi my favourite minister who happened to be on the left. His ANC time is over. I wish EFF could afopt him should they win this elections, he is conditionable this one atleast he is not corrupt but a patriot of note.

  • @kealebogakgatitswe8546
    @kealebogakgatitswe8546 19 дней назад +7

    I need to see Floyd more on public platforms😂

  • @petcorsa6084
    @petcorsa6084 20 дней назад +13

    EFF