Should ex-Post Office boss return £2m bonuses? Feat. Ann Widdecombe & Michael J Walker | Jeremy Vine
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
- The Post Office controversy continues to gain pace, with a lot of the blame being placed with Paula Vennells, who said she would hand back her CBE.
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It is high time these establishment figures go to jail when they commit crimes.
Including any politicians and Whitehall mandarins! This all stinks to high heaven!
Totally agree .
And pay back the bonuses, the post office managers were bankrupted and forced to pay back money they did not owe. She must pay as well as being charged.
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She should pay back all the monies from the post office also a large prison sentence and her henchmen
I would have her and Angela van den Bogerd scrubbing public lavatories from Dawn to dusk seven days a week.
No, they should not be handed back voluntarily. They should be seized, forcibly if necessary, as the possible proceeds of criminal activity. Bonuses paid on profits that were artificially enhanced with monies taken from post office employees by dubious means.
Bet shes looking for a country with no extradition treaty.!!! I would
@@ianhaynes3127she's already in a country with no prosecution of the rich treaty!
This woman will forfeit some of her bonuses and pension and say sorry and no further action will be taken.....just look at past precedents such as Fred Goodwin and the rest of the board of The Royal Bank of Scotland
Thank you : The ancient judicial reformers of the Privy Council would say just what you have said!
@@ianhaynes3127Brazil?
Yes - You are right!
Yes. It's blood money. People died.
She should pay back all bonuses loose her pension and also the status Reverend she’s a disgrace , she’s a compulsive liar and was instrumental in the convictions of innocent post office workers , haul her through the courts and put her in prison with a confiscation order
she is no longer a lay preacher they took it off her
Anne can't bring herself to condemn and criticise great & the good, the powers that be, the entitled and wealthy.
@@jeffsuter344 all tarred with the same Corruption Brush , way too concerned of keeping their friends in high places happy and unaccountable, makes me sick on and on it goes all just a big whitewash
@@jeffsuter344 I wonder why? Maybe she doesn't want to end up dead on Clapham common
@@Norfolkbiker50 she should not be allowed to take her own life she has a debt to pay.why is she not on remand can you trust her to be in the country with in a week.
Vennells has received bonus money on the proceeds of crime. She needs to be investigate and charged by the police and her assets compensated.
she's hiding in scotland at krankies
@@pete276Christ, she’s in my country??? Her dirty feet have walked over the border to us??? She needs the jail.
her and all the useless bosses should return all tere bonus,s
And she should be in prison.
They all should be charged with perverting the course of justice.
If she has any shred of decency left, she should hand back everything; bonuses, her salary for that period, pensions etc.
This goes for her team as well.
They should be taken by force. And the same for her gang of criminals that assisted her. Ed Davey and Keir Starmer should be expelled from professional politics. Fujitsu should be fined hundreds of billions and all their current government contracts should be cancelled. The Taxpayer should not be asked to pay a penny in compensation before all of this has happened.
She has no decency of any kind, she is totally selfish and she deserves to be made bankrupt like some of the Postmaster’s were.
@JupiterThunder - Nothing to do with this case but while you're on the subject of corrupt politicians half those in Parliament are on the take but never get to face their crimes. The UK political class is morally bankrupt.
Bonus’s back and prison. End of. The last caller said it very well.
Yes, the public should not pay for this. Also what happened to the money they took from the post office people wrongly accused?
Fujitsu profits and paid out in bonuses to post office bosses for doing such a good job.
There wasn't any physical monies.
@@wordwordfulthe money went straight to PO profits. Those profits pay for bonuses
Bet you all the tea in china we will,when willbwe ever rise up and march against the sytem that favours the rich of this land!!!
Yes undoubtedly. Personally I believe that criminal charges should be brought if there was a cover up.
There was a cover up.
Just a matter of finding who was involved.
Erm yes, pay back the bonuses and face criminal charges. Along with the software developers, the big wigs at Fujitsu and anyone who gave false evidence or with held evidence in the trials. And questions should be asked about these crooked corporate lawyers.
They attempted to cover up because they thought they were smarter than others. Typical criminal behavior.
and hiding under a dog collar too , they are the worst !!!
they new the tory would back them.and did a good job so far.
Caller Chris had a good question: Who decided to pay her bonuses?? Who was incentivising her behaviour?? Just who??
No she should be jailed! That’s justice. Money means nothing to these people.
It would if they had it taken away
A real punishment would be Vennells and her minions having their bank accounts cleaned out and given to the subpostmasters and lose their million pound homes until they're all bankrupt and prison for a minimum of 10 years, that will be justice served but that won't happen Vennells and her minions will be allowed to keep their bonuses, pensions and big houses senior managers are never held accountable for their actions
Those responsible, especially those that lied, should face criminal charges
Guaranteed nothing will happen. The establishment will absolutely not want to set a precedent of responsibility for fatcats.
@ChoppingtonOtter sadly I agree
Paula Vennells should really search her conscience and if she is a committed Christian, then the answer as to what she should do would be very clear. Give back the money.
Not give it back to the P O...give it straight to the postmasters.
She hasn't got a conscience. She deliberately silenced the report about the failings of the Horizon System and sacked the company that had investigated Horizon and found it unsafe. What more proof do you need? Vennels is totally accountable for doing that. She knew what she was doing was totally wrong and still did it. She needs to be held accountable first, her guilty minions can all be jailed later.
No conscience with this one ,Take the money off her, and all her trinkets.
Jail should be her next location.
Vennels & her sidekick Van Dam ?? Should Both be held Equally Accountable for the Criminal Acts .Fraud Perjury Etc .They are a Disgrace to the Nation
Court,Jail & Stripped of Assets to Repay the Victims Compensation.😊
@@mrmyorky5634 100% agree with you but it won't happen Vennells and her minions will be allowed to keep her bonuses and pensions and they won't serve a day in prison senior managers are never held accountable for their piss poor management and actions.
Anyone who got a bonus during that time should repay it
Yes she should pay back but also should be prosecuted and do time.
In a word yes. So should 'Fred the shred' the Scottish banker who caused the Scottish banks to crash. He kept his pension and bonuses.
he kept over £15m payoff?
But the Tories have just abolished the cap on bankers bonuses and called it a Brexit bonus. So they’re perfectly okay with companies awarding these ridiculous amounts for this type of behaviour.
bankers donate to Tory party!@@sarangistudent8614
The Tory’s are selfish turds that will always float to the top.
@@sarangistudent8614. But you don’t mention all the people who work in the EU do not pay any tax at all. They are on a permanent tax fiddle that is legal
No no no, she should loose ALL her money, her houses, shamed, then sent to prison
Horrible greedy woman jail her
Vennells preaching in church! Good grief what a hypocrite
are you all thick?
she has deliberately caused these issues, take back the money, prosecute her and jail her
Yes Ann we are good at going after people it’s usually the small people the man/ woman on the street. The top brass and people in power are never held to account. Fact
1. Who approved the system (horizon) for PO?
2. Who signed the prosecutions? Somebody had to sign it...
3. How PO investigated the shortfalls? They claimed there was no fault in the system, that means, they checked the logs, if they didn't, how come they carried on with prosecutions?
That's the thing isn't it, how come the post office's accountants didn't spot that there was more money than there should've been? The sub-postmasters put their own money into the system so the balance would've definitely showed an excess, the only way it wouldn't is if the person responsible for creating the anomalies in the horizon system was siphoning off the excess money the sub-postmasters were depositing.
Tony Blair approved the system.
@@pmclarke1960 that's right he did, and his apprentice starmer was head of the CPS at the time saying "nothing to see here"
@@pmclarke1960 that says it all he was corrupt !!!
Money needs to be paid back to these people, plus compensation. This should come from the Post Office and Fujitsu, who will no doubt have some sort of business insurance to cover themselves for this type of issue. This should not come from the pockets of the tax payer. Enough is enough.
Put her in prison for a month. At least she will then experience something of what some of these poor people had to go through. For someone who has a position in the church , how on earth could she live with herself once she knew the truth about the problems with the computer system ? , she just carried on lying while these poor people continued to suffer. Not the behaviour of a true Christian , absolutely disgusting.
Not a month 5 years sounds better
Rees Mogg claims to be Catholic. What Bible are these people reading?...........
Exactly , a load of hypocrites. If that's what religion does for you I think I'll leave it alone !
I think what people get mixed up with is people of genuine faith and those who use it purely as a cover.
you spell month........5 Years. they were all in it together. a while ago you would have your hand chopped off for taking a apple that fell from a tree. but if your a white collar worker. you get a pat on the back.
I wonder as a person of the cloth, how much of those bonuses she donated to those in need? Not much I'm now guessing.
I’m surprised she doesn’t have to donate all of it.
She would give nothing to the church and that money belongs to the postmasters she stole it from ....then she must be prosecuted and jailed.....she should no merçy to her victims. Let her rot in jail...
try her for heresy
Venomous Vennels new best friend is Michelle Mone. Vennels has taken her “most hated woman in the U.K.” crown, at least for a few weeks.
She should not be given the luxury of handing them back but she must be made to hand it all back and be sued into the bargain! As should all the Board members! Regarding the CBE only the monarch has the ability to ask for it back. Her handing it back is a hollow gesture!
she should be held at her majestys pleasure along with the rest of them and all the bonus and peoples money seized right away and the compensation these people deserved actually paid out not stalled !!!
No one should get individual bonuses for doing their job.
Why aren't we investigating the woman who replaced Paula Vennells and who reassured Vennells that Horizon was robust?
Bonuses returned and jail time.
Without question she should hand it back!
She needs to pay back all of it and say sorry to every single person she hurt.
She did not give a flying F about those wrongly accused Post Masters, she should be jailed for corruption.
100% yes ! And pensions aswell !!
She needs to feel the misery and depression that her innocent 900+ victims felt. All of her accounts should be frozen and a forensic analysis of her accounts performed to find out how much she has received not only in excessive remuneration and bonuses but also all monies from Fujitsu.
Yes hand back her salary. Postmaster lost theirs.
Hand back not only any bonuses, but their assets need to be seized, sold and distributed to those wrongly convicted or wrongly extorted. Long jail terms have to be included as well.
Paula Vennells has handed back her CBE.
Oh that’s very kind of her.(Tongue in cheek obviously)
It took her long enough
Not enough
In hell she won't need her heating allowance so it's not all bad news for her is it?
They should all get jail time,and to make it worse for them they should be made to watch this vine programme 24 hrs a day
How can her parishioners believe a word she says from the pulpit knowing she was responsible for the destruction of so many innocent lives and caused the death of four lives as they could not stand the pressure or shame knowing they were innocent! The woman has no shame or conscience!
Not only should she give back every penny, but she should be defrocked as a minister and should serve twelve years in jail.
Why is this a question??
She should be in prison
She needs to be arrested and hand all monies back. She lied to mp's in 2015 and needs to be held accountable for what she did
Most definitely then send her to prison for six months.
Sounds like those responsible have commited 'perverting the course of justice' AND perjury both serious criminal charges.
why are you talking about returning a cbe and bonuses?? she should be in JAIL...
They don’t like handing money back do they…
Laws in the UK need to be brought in to protect the public against these criminals and fraudsters acting in the UK corporate world! Accountability laws are what is needed to make the wrongdoers do the right thing in the future!
The Post Office Scandal is so upsetting, beyond belief. I have been on the end of injustice myself. My life was thrown upside down (2009)♥️🌻🙏🧑🏻🦼
Have the Post Office gone completely bonkers? A woman who, while she was head honcho, destroyed and criminalised decent law abiding citizens while bringing the Post Office into disrepute gets a £2m bonus. How many destroyed reputations does it take before she is considered unworthy of a bonus?
She has no shame in spite of crocodile tears under questioning. If she had, she would have held her head in shame, kept a low profile and refused the award of a bonus for failure, but she grabbed it and ran. She is a terrible example of a humble, modest and charitable Christian who is also a minister supposedly to lead by example.
That her church put her on the shortlist for Bishop of London after the scandal broke, says much for the incompetence of her religious leaders.
Total up all the money's postmasters had to pay back it won't be short of 2 million pounds which legally gives the legal basis for her returning her bonus's also won't she be personally be held responsible in the case of a civil suit?
Bucks stops at the top. She should be prosecuted.
Top of the Royal Mail is King Charles in fact - he must be incandescent with rage at what these wealthy, entitled nummties have done to the reputation of his Royal Mail and the descent people who were abused by those charged with running the business.
Wonder if he will take action and really act as our King ?
I worked for Blue Chip Corporations for close to 40 years, I have been CEO for international Corporations during times of restructure and have overseen and being active in automation architecture. Its clearly without doubt Corporate fraud with intent to meet personnel KPI objectives for personal financial reward through criminality and fraud were rife within the Post Office.
Outlaw the bonus system and all the perverse incentives it allows.
Bonuses, assests , jail ...to cover the cost ...
She needs to give back what is not hers,what she stole,she should be very ashamed of herself,she is a disgusting human being and needs to be locked up like any other criminal.
£2million is £50,000 a year for 40 working years equivalent. So we're casually talking about sums that are more than the lifetime earnings of many people reading this.
We need to be careful how we hand over sums like this, from the public purse. Paula Vannell was paid £2,000 per day (£760,000 per year). She oversaw this disaster which will cost US , the public, billions in compensation payouts.... got a CBE for her work, and millions in salary. It's fking wrong. We, the public pay for this at both ends. Her salary plus the cost of the mess she helped create.
When you consider that people lost there houses and the cost to replace a house now, it makes £600,000 an insignificant amount. I would consider it yet another massive insult.
The government shouldn't be offering to pay a single penny in compensation, why should the tax payer bail out the corrupt elitists again? The only money that should be paid out needs to come from all of those responsible, from the CEO of Fujitsu right across the board to the corrupt judges that found these people guilty without a shred of evidence, they should all have their assets seized then distributed evenly amongst the victims of this dire charade and their families. Again, it shouldn't be up to the taxpayer.
@@Norfolkbiker50 I agree with to a point, my comment really was referring to my opinion that the amount on offer is derisory when you account for what they have been put through.
However how that is funded is a different point. I agree with you about the post office board and certain staff, especially the ceo and also fujitsu etc, however I think the government also has a level of responsibility inn all of this because they basically ignored it for so long.
@@mick4862 hey Mick, these poor souls should definitely be compensated but not by the government, it's not their money. That would be like me stealing money from you, getting caught then stealing from your parents to pay you back. What needs to happen is criminal prosecutions against all of those responsible, including whichever government minister awarded Fujitsu the horizon contract in the first place because they already knew it wasn't fit for purpose. Then all of those responsible or culpable need to have their assets seized then distributed evenly amongst the victims. Even if they were awarded a million pounds each, that's probably one days interest for a company like Fujitsu. The next question should be "given that Fujitsu knew horizon wasn't fit for purpose should they have existing contracts cancelled"
@@Norfolkbiker50 Yes I agree with you, All I am saying is that it goes even deeper than that, There are several ministers and civil servants and judges that just let this drag on and basically ignored it, They also need to be held to account and if found culpable should have assets seized. There are so many people involved in this in one way or another. The post office needs to be shut down and rebuilt from scratch with no powers to prosecute anyone, That is the job of the CPS.
The whole system of government and justice needs to be revamped, its archaic. The establishment have been sat on their arses manipulating the system for far to long. Looking after their own and their mates at the expense of everyone else.
Just my opinion, I wait to see what happens but I have to say my expectations range from extremely low to non existent.
@@mick4862 yeah that's what I was alluding too, there's a very strong odour about this.
we should raise a petition telling govt the public will NOT pay for this criminality , the po execs and fujitsu should have to sort it out asap
She should be prosecuted, and receive jail time equivalent to the consecutive sentences of everyone she ruined, and her fines should exceed every penny she made in her position, not just bonuses.
Paula Vennells should face criminal prosecution. She knew exactly what was going on.
Unbelievable! She needs to be criminally charged. Forget a out the bonus pay and her pension.
She also should have her finances checked to see if she was receiving kick backs.
Hmmm. Executive pay and bonuses are disgusting. Too much money often paid for being inhumane.
Is this criminal still getting a pension from the post office ??? for wrongfully jailing innocent people !!! really ???
Hand back all the money bonuses (blood money) and all and all the others covering the justice…
She should not only pay back her ill-gotten bonus but also be charged with criminal injustice.
She should pay them back just before they throw her in prison
Part of the ‘profits’ she received the bonuses were made up of the money taken wrongly from the postmaster’s money. So yes she should have to pay back the money!
She’s not smiling now is she panicking thinking it’s on top
Performance pay is paid on performance …but doesn’t mean you lie , cheat , hide , and pursue crimes that didn’t exist, and put people in jail …
Most certainly and be thankful that she isn’t being sued by those who suffered her total incompetence but mainly her evil rebuttal of those professionals who pointed out to her there existed problems. When an offender can have ahold put on their bank accounts, she should have such a freeze on her assets. She and her ilk really deserve jail.
The woman is a total disgrace. All bonus payments should be recovered and pension rights removed.
Paula Vennells has her snout well and truly in the trough. Unfortunately the peolpe who should sort all this out have their heads in the same trough!!
Hand back bonuses and give her jail time grrr
Prison is looking good for her, and she can take a CBE with her if she wants
Yes she should hand it back? On her way to jail!
The post office should be broken up to be more accountable to the public as we own it. The post office is not fit for purpose. As for the innocent people who were wrongly accused the post office CEO and the board of directors should be prosecuted for perjury. and when convict should be made to return any bonuses they accrued.👑👑👑👑
the Post Office was sold by the Tories soon after they came to power in 2010. Didnt you know that ? Another win for Privitisation.
Vennels should serve a jail sentence.
The Post Office should be nationalised and the Government admonished for allowing corrupt bonuses and wages of the executives. In some countries if the world these lawyers and executives would be put on trial for their lives as if is seen as a capital offence.
She should be in jail for perverting the course of justice.
It was Fujitsu who had the knowledge and the opportunity to access subpostmaster's accounts and create ficticious "losses". All done under Post Office instructions.
Over 2 Million in bonuses! It’s outrageous. If she has shown the least sign of admitting that Horizon/Fujitsu was at fault in earlier years so much misery could have been avoided.
Not only Paula Vennels but also all the other hierarchie at the Post Office should be prosecuted by the arm of the Law .
They never give a thought for the poor people who they destroyed their lives and their families lives to shame on Vennells and Co
I am an Australian and have been following this story and watched both the documentary and short series on the postmasters. I have also watched the questioning of Paula Vennells in court. Ms Vennells comes across as very sincere and calm during the court questioning and in my opinion attempts to deflect her involvement in this by saying that she was not privy to all the information. This to me seems absolutely ludicrous. Vennells is no one’s fool and is a very smart woman that would have had her finger on the pulse and would have been briefed on all the goings on. One would have to question, even if she was not given all the information why she did not step up when there were hundreds, in fact 600 sub postmasters that were accused of fraud. Surely there must have been warning bells ringing in that very smart brain of hers that there was something amiss with the Horizon System.
I believe she is a very calculating and controlling individual that knew what was going on and the buck stops with her as the CEO.
She should give her bonuses back and if convicted of corruption or other charges should see jail time and be stripped of her assets. After all, that is exactly what was done to innocent sub postmasters. Vennells should be treated no differently. These so called elite, corporate individuals need to be held accountable.
The wages and bonuses that CEO's of big concerns is getting way out of hand. I saw the CEO of British Gas this morning on the news, he said he got over 4 millions pounds in salary and bonuses but he doesn't set the rate. No-one needs this amount a year for doing their job.
To right she should!!! All of it every penny salary too! Infact lock her up and throw away the key 🔑 disgraceful
For me this highlights the disparity of the Justice System that demonstrates that it supports the rich and not the poor just because of how it’s all set up and how expensive legal costs are 😢
It was a pay off for doing as her paymasters intended, let’s talk about the people responsible and engrossed her , and privatised the post office?
It would go towards the £1B settlement to all those poor people persecuted through her misleadership...
Can't think why anyone would be blaming vennells anyone would think she was in charge....
How about handing that money to the victims of their dishonesty and incompetence.
She should have everything taken from her same as the post office workers and go to prison as they had to
Was Ann Widecombe in Lord of the Rings?