Do you think the reason Swansea was trying to keep the last stasis pod a secret was so he could put Daisuke in there last minute when judgement hour hit so he could have at least a slim chance of surviving because he believed Daisuke was too young to go out like this?
Yes, he straight up says that before axing the dude. Just goes "You're a dumb kid trying your best stuck with a bunch of old bitter people and you deserved another chance"
I could be reaching but Daisuke representing a hibiscus flower, which not only do they spiritually represent friendship, good luck, and joy but they are also short lived within their lifespan as well....
it really sucks how no one protected anya in this situation ]: swansea only wanted daisuke in the cryopod - and i think talked anya into accepting that when they spoke and jimmy walked in on them - curly told her everything would be 'fine' and tried to cover for jimmy, daisuke was manipulated into dying in trying to get to her, (though jimmy was more worried about curly in that moment than her). anya tried to tell jimmy of her condition and have him take responsibility, and instead, he crashed the ship and doomed everyone and pretended that none of this was his fault. anya asking why there werent any locks on the sleeping quarters is haunting. jimmy deserves worse than his ending in this game. he says he 'fixed' everything (everyone's dead because of him) and that he thinks curly is a better man. in exchange for curly covering his ass, jimmy forcefeeds him medicine to the point that he's sobbing, feeds him his own leg, and extends his suffering in the only cryopod left. Jimmy spends the game torturing every other member of the crew and only leaving curly 'alive' in return for his loyalty (and thus making him a scapegoat of jimmy's own guilt). why did no one care about anya?
I actually have a theory (not to justify, if you don't like it or have something to add please feel free to do so). But it's kind of implicit that the conversation that Anya and Swansea had was most likely her telling Swansea that she was pregnant and that Jim had done it. That's why he said that "he was keeping his composure" once Jim entered the room. But honestly he was unable to do a lot bc of the critical state of the ship. And a personal theory is that Swansea knew Anya's plans of ending her life and that is why he was already on the door, like, he actually cared about her, but he knew there was nothing left to do... she wanted to end it, and he had no control over it exept for honor her desire and not disturb her. He was a drunk man, and ofc he was unable to protect Daisuke eaven when he tried before. But yeah, i see your point, Jimmy was a literal Sh1t, Curly didn't protected her and was trying to cover up the abuse, Daisuke probably didn't eaven knew about the pregnancy and Swansea wasn't doing enougth to protect her.
Oh god, i just realized why she mentioned there being no locks on the sleeping quarters Anya is such an underrated character, her story is so sad and I wish someone could have defended her :(
i remember watching that part of the gameplay where jimmy is carrying curly to the cryopod and i just said "oh my god jimmy please just let him die" curly was DEFINITELY not the best person but it hurt me so much to see him have to watch all of his friends die
i think swansea is one of my fav characters throughout it, probably one of the characters u learn the most abt. hes a grumpy asshole but he clearly cares for his crewmates, especially his intern. that moment u have with him, while hes in the chair and the background playing actual footage. its insane, hes pretty underrated me thinks…
To me Swansea is one of my favs because he's really realistic for the situation he gets placed into. He's able to admit he's done wrong and actually take accountability for it and I think he even tries to acknowledge those who try to do right (Daisuke). I'm pretty sure he cared for Daisuke so much that he was going to put him into the cryo pod so he could be saved.
There are so many layers to this and I love it. I fucking despise Jimmy, but it's very fascinating to see why the hell he ended up doing the things he did (except for SAing Anya. I don't see any rationale there except for him being a gigantic, raging asshole). His main thing is that he cannot, ever, ever take responsibility. It's quite literally his fatal flaw. He seethes with envy when it comes to Curly, who was the captain, the number one. Curly's at the top rung of the ladder because he can take responsibility. It's literally his job as the captain. His responsibility is his crew. And I think that Jimmy recognized that. He hates that he knows that the reason why Curly is captain is because he's responsible. He wanted to be in Curly's place, to be the great leader that everyone talks about. But for that, Jimmy has to take responsibility. The funny thing is, he's been given opportunities to do just that. Firstly, Anya. I feel like this is one of the most central points of the game, despite how incredibly subtle it is. It's only when Anya tells him about the baby that he decides to crash the ship (IIRC, that segment was 0 hrs before the crash). He should've taken responsibility for her situation and for the baby. He's given an opportunity to show that he can take responsibility, and instead of fessing up and admitting to his crime, he dodges it and crashes the ship to run away from the consequences. Secondly, him becoming the captain in place of Curly. He's given the opportunity to prove that he can be just as good as Curly, except that he literally cannot prove it. Because of his flaw. He demeans Anya, leads Daisuke to his death, and wastes medical supplies that he knew they were short supply on. He just keeps making bad decision after bad decision. The worst part is that he doesn't even try to assume responsibility over them because "he can fix it". Finally, his death. He takes the coward's way out and kills himself to escape the consequences of his actions. He doesn't try to see them through and only passes it on to Curly. What's funny is that to some extent it's clear that he's being haunted by his decisions (hence the latter half the game and the surreal horror revolving around Curly), and yet he still doesn't want to take responsibility for the crew members' deaths. What a horrible, horrible piece of shit. I really can't help but applaud the developers for their game.
I dont give a crap what the hell jimmys done hes the best person on the ship cause despite being a coward hes the only one with the balls to actually do anything curly anya swansea and possibly daisuke coulda kicked his butt at any moment why the hell should jimmy take responsibility if nobody on the ship has the balls to say it to his face
He got the least painful way out. He caused Great suffering to everyone else - especially curly and Anya, but he got the easy way out. No suffering, no pain, just lights out. What a piece of work.
Not only did he not take responsability by starving to death on the ship, he also does not mercy kill his "best friend", he runs away twice with that action. God what a piece of work he is.
@@Bluz_Spiral0 agree that objectively it is still a selfish action, but cruelly enough it is the closest thing to positive character growth from Jimmy. At the end, in that moment, he's pawning off responsibility on curly and using him as a prop to make himself feel better no doubt, but for Jimmy, he is giving up his ability to control the narrative, which for him has been the most important thing. So while awful, in some way he did grow as a person at the end. Not by a lot. And not in a way that makes the ending any better, but it is technically growth
@@5w4m9yHe was really quick to jump to a spiked drink as a solution to a problem that didn't even really require it. Especially the bit where he says Swansea probably won't even remember what happened afterward.
I tried making a chronological timeline ----------------------------------------- 7 days before the crash: 17:07 [TAKE RESPONSIBILITY] 30:01 6 days before the crash: 33:51 2 days before the crash: 56:36 1 day before the crash: 1:19:45 0 days before the crash: 1:29:34 0:56 1:32:43 2 months after the crash: 5:23 31:43 40:45 [TAKE RESPONSIBILITY 45:42] 48:40 4 months after the crash: 57:58 (❌️3 typo error in-game) 4 months after the crash: 1:09:17 8 hours until Judgment: 1:02:26 6 hours until Judgment: 55:36 1:22:47 1 hour until Judgment: 1:33:31 [TAKE RESPONSIBILITY] 1:36:11 1:44:37 1:51:06 0 hours until Judgment: 1:56:48
Wait I'm so confused about the 3 months/4 months timeline 😭 how is Daisuke telling Jimmy 4 months after the crash that Anya is trapped in medical but 3 months after the crash is them planning to knock Swansea out? Am I stupid 😭
I'm so split between liking and hating Curly. Like, yeah he seems like he wants to do the right thing, but he never seems to listen to Anya and always puts Jimmy first instead of taking real actions. He knows Jimmy makes her uncomfortable, and she tells him she doesn't want him anywhere near her but the first thing he does is check on the abuser. It's like he can't fully accept his friend is a bad person, so he takes his side. But there are still moments where he *is* concerned about Anya and where he tries to check on her and offers to help. I just think that, as a captain, he isn't fair when it comes to how he treats his crew. He could and should have done more to help Anya and to punish Jimmy. There's also the whole speech Jimmy gives about how he's at the top of the ladder? I know Jimmy is an unreliable narrator and an awful person, but we don't know if some of the things he said are true. I'm trying to flesh out my understanding of these characters so if you're (somehow) reading this and have any opinion on Curly that would help me decide if I like him or not I'll be glad to hear them!
I feel like Curly was definitely biased and flawed due to him being long time friends with Jimmy and that clouding his decisions of handling the whole situation, but I also believe he was trying to get everyone through another 200+ days in a confined environment where it conflict erupted there wasn't really any jail they could put Jimmy in, he was a flawed character that trusted an abuser far too much but I fully believe he was *trying* to do the right thing, and probably could've to some degree if Jimmy didn't crash the ship
He seems like the type to say “not all men” while also being one of the men who makes it easy for bad guys to get away with whatever they want. He never actually did anything good; just avoided doing anything obviously bad, and by contrast to jimmy seems good. But he caused this through inaction just as much as jimmy caused it through action
Definitely he tried to keep the peace i the worst way where he tried to hear them both out but 100% was biased towards Jimmy knowing he's gone through alot. He was giving Jimmy his first in-game opportunity to take responsibility for a situation only for Jimmy to flip it all on him with a "Well you're responsible for us" spiel.
@@Что-ю3ъAbsolutely yes he sugarcoats everything. he is trying to take responsibility like curly which he is clearly is not his thing, he technically made everyone in the ship k!ll themselfs, he is a scumbag and he will never ever learn that he only thinks he can make things better but he cannot so yeah. He sugarcoats it.
Seriously, no one talks about how good it is. It's overshadowed by the writing, I think, but it adds SO MUCH. I was watching this with headphones and other moments without and when I tell you the sheer amount of dread I felt when I had my headphone on. I had to lower my volume because I was so genuinely uncomfortable (I am kinda soft esp when it comes to sounds tho ) and I love it
I find it interesting that the game keeps mentioning and repeating “take responsibility” yet neither Jimmy OR curly take responsibility for their actions
curly didnt have time though? the ship crashes RIGHT after he enters the cockpit. id say his biggest flaw was not immediately confronting jimmy about assaulting anya.
Jimmy is an amazing unreliable/villainous protag, this 2 hr video game has better characters/themes than most mainstream Hollywood slop. Not to mention the graphical direction/sound design choices. Kudos to the devs!!!
@@milenasheher 😭😭 real as hell, I finished and I was like damn Jimmy's clearly fucked up...and then I thought about it and I was like actually fuck him he deserved worse
If Jimmy has 1,000,000 haters, I’m one of them. if he has 100 haters, I’m one of them. If he has 10 haters, I’m one of them. If he has 1 hater its me, if he has no haters, I’m dead
As much as I hate Jimmy that nasty piece of work I can't help but blame Curly as well for enabling Jimmy's behavior to the point of literally defending him when Anya confront him for SAing her
literally what is Jimmy's issue? I feel like I'm missing something here. He did ALLL of that because... he was jealous that curly was better than him? like WHAT
@@coagulatedblooddrive I've been reading more into it now, and apparently I WAS missing something. What he did to Anya went completely over my head, and I was really confused about the whole pregnancy deal (Probably because Curly seemed so calm about it)
@@blomtomb7103 yeah, they definitely keep it very subtle! I feel like Curly's reaction is also just very much a depiction of how some people will hear about SA and say "I know him, he couldn't do that"
@@coagulatedblooddrive This is gonna sound really stupid, but my guess at first was like.. Jimmy and Anya were in a relationship, and then she cheated on him with Curly?? Which is why Jimmy got so mad and did all of that? But yeah knowing what he did to Anya now makes way more sense, and shows how much of a terrible person he is
@@coagulatedblooddriveSorry, can you help me understand where it was implied that it was not consensual? Idk if I missed something, but I went through thinking the whole time they just had a secret fling but she wound up getting pregnant from it and Jimmy was just avoiding being a father.
41:22 omg poor curly hes in pain :( and then f*cking jimmy only took the initiative to give him painkillers the second time because he wanted to vent his frustrations out on him..
I love how you can still fully digest and appreciate this game without actually playing it. Most of the time even with heavily story centric games i still feel like I'm missing out on something when watching a playthrough
THE BABY’S CRIES IS A FUCKING AWESOME DETAIL the fact that he doesn’t WANT to take responsibility and everything is here to remind him is fucking beautiful
@ I meant the fact he became an alcoholic again that was the reason Jimmy was able to spike him (Jimmy took advantage of his relapse and gave him a spiked drink knowing he wouldn’t refuse it) so if he never relapsed he might’ve said no to the drink and therefore daisuke wouldn’t have been able to get into the room with the vent and die.
I just noticed that at the 1:54:33 mark, when the halls are covered with the ID cards, Anya’s face is always covered up and everyone else’s is visible.
Happy? He's never going to recover from that shit, even intensive therapy won't help. There's slight hope since apparently this is the future where they have the technology as seen from the Tulpar, to travel in space so there's hope that they have better technology to at least help Curly but he's never going to heal mentally and physically.
knowing the high level very professional knowledge that i know about cryonic preservation (red valley fiction podcast) jimmys ass fucked that up too, with the lack of preparation and curlys barely hanging onto life by a thread of a thread he def wouldn't have survived even the first few seconds
@@wren000 eh, i doubt the developers were taking that into account. i think it's more striking to suspend disbelief with the horror at the thought that that curly will be stuck there alone for 20 years
So I've seen 3 playthroughs of this and I can usually get through the close your eyes diasuke part but without any commentary watching makes me want to cry
This game will be mentioned in my suicide note. How the fuck did Curly survive that long without skin ? Throughout this entire thing, the constant question i had was why torture this guy by keeping him alive in excruciating pain ? The more I think about it, the more I understand but then when I think about it more, I'm just as lost as before. Pucker up developers im giving you THE kiss of the century.
Don't do it. Take this from a stranger you know nothing about. I don't know you, or anything about your life. But George Carlin said it best: "This world's simply too entertaining to off myself. Everyone's born into the front row seat of the biggest freakshow in this circus of a universe, and that's humanity. It'll never get boring. Life is a one-time ticket. Use it well, because there's no refunds."
Man...i know some times live suck ass but, even like even when we are alone we can find something good to feel better things are'nt good by their selves WE make then good for our selves, You can make your life good
the raw look, the weeping red all over his bed and the constant pained groaning sound makes me think that curly has deep 2nd degree burns - like the skin is mostly burned off, but he's not too damaged so the nerves are still pretty much intact. he can feel everything. people with this injury have recovered around 3 months after the incident with enough debriding and skin grafts. he would've been dead with 3rd degree burns without proper medical care.
I know this was a month ago but I just can't move past this without saying something. Please, don't do it. You'll find something to live for. Don't give up.
im so glad i found a playthrough without commentary, its so distracting trying to watch the gameplay while hearing someone talk, ALSO JIMMY ISTG ITS ON SIGHT
i think most people who like Curly like him because of his flaws, not in spite of them. he's not a perfect ray of sunshine - he's a human being who makes mistakes. he was too nice for his own good, and let that colour his judgement of Jimmy, rather than evidence from a victim. he still didn't deserve what he got, which is why most people root for him. no matter his mistakes, he's 200 times the captain Jimmy could ever be.
Mh I think he's a good character with quite realistic behaviors and decisions, he's not a hero, and I don't think he's portrayed as one. I like him because of that, he seems like a normal person in a terrible situation, who prioritized "keeping peace" over other aspects, which is something a lot of people do (and probably most people have behaved like that a few times during their lives). I think thats why people liked his character
true, i get that flaws are very human & i think he's a good character, it's just hard for me to imagine woobifying an enabler of sexual abuse. the scene before the crash where curly says that they'll get through it, relating to the pregnancy (and possible outing of what jimmy did). it reads like curly was going to keep sticking by & defending him even after it was revealed what he had done. it's off putting in a way thats too close to real life
@cack1e I don't exactly think he was enabling Jimmy and more so just unable to do much more. He went to confront Jimmy the day he was going to crash the ship which put him in a bit of an (unknowing) time crunch. As captain, he would have to think through every single one of his options to choose the right one that wouldn't affect the crew or the job that they still had to complete. Plus, Jimmy had an explosive personality and Curly was possibly walking on eggshells because he didn't want to set him off in fear that he'd do something rash and hurt himself or someone else. Whose to say he wasn't with Anya the entire time he was thinking through his options? There's a lot unsaid, and I think the information given isn't enough to label Curly as a bad man who enabled an abuser just because they were friends. Not to mention that throughout the game, Jimmy is shown to belittle, mock, and degrade Curly and he usually just takes it and doesn't fight back. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scared of Jimmy himself. Sorry for the super long message, I'm really passionate about the topic of morally gray characters and I've also played this game 5 times the past week so it's sort of taking over my mind lol. In my opinion, Curly isn't a bad guy, just someone who trusted others far too much and saw the good in people who didn't deserve it. He reminds me a lot of Daisuke in that aspect
@@envy1266it's the fact that curly just wanted to "fix things" instead of confront jimmy that enables the abuse. curly should have done more than just console a rapist and tell them "they'll fix it together". there should be no fixing, only accountability. it was his job to defend and support Anya, the victim, and yet all he did was console her literal abuser. inaction can also be enabling. lack of justice is still injustice.
I actually have a theory (not to justify, if you don't like it or have something to add please feel free to do so). But it's kind of implicit that the conversation that Anya and Swansea had was most likely her telling Swansea that she was pregnant and that Jim had done it. That's why he said that "he was keeping his composure" once Jim entered the room. But honestly he was unable to do a lot bc of the critical state of the ship. And a personal theory is that Swansea knew Anya's plans of ending her life and that is why he was already on the door, like, he actually cared about her, but he knew there was nothing left to do... she wanted to end it, and he had no control over it exept for honor her desire and not disturb her. He was a drunk man, and ofc he was unable to protect Anya or Daisuke eaven when he tried before.
It was also speculated that once she told him she was going to end her life if they aren’t able to get out, that Swansee would save Diaske instead of curly in the cryopod
This game was so so much more complicated than anybody I see talking about it makes it seem, Anya and Jimmy and Curly had such a interesting dynamic, they're all such dimensional characters, I've never seen people call someone with such an interesting story one dimensionally evil, this is such a good game I wish more people would see into it more. Even the way curly still wanted to protect Jimmy and cover up for him and was willing to do anything to keep his best friend safe with him FUCK this games so good
this game writings is phenomenal, not even oscar winning horror movies are this level of writing, nothing is put there just because of the plot like one domensional character like you said. Everyone is fucked, all of them are trying their best, 3 of them are villains in their own ways, one is just unlucky, another is neglected. It's horrifically tragic but goddamn how realistic this game is told.
@@Что-ю3ъ Non linear is when you tell the events of a story out of order. If you did it in order the game would start days before the crash, then the crash happens, and then the game would show what happened after the crash in order. But its non linear so instead it alternates between events from the present and events from the past
i have been watching this vidio over and over again to see if i missed any details since i want to understand the full storry, and we all know Jimmy is an ass but if you think about it Curly isn't a good person either since he ignors Anya's please for help and instead comforts Jimmy. i love this game so mch and how you have to see every detale to understand it all. the game shows a lot of commen things like that a lot man think woman can't handle stress and break down all the time, you can see it at the way jimmy and Curly treat Anya evan though she is the one going through so much without resiving help and even when she calls out for help to somebody who is requiert tho help her (Curly) her please gets pushed to the side since the person who did that to her (Jimmy) is a close friend with the person she asked for help. Mouthwashing is a realistic storry with realistic charectes, i portrays a lot like selfishnes, betrayal, narcissism, helplessness, acception and so much more. (i would write more but im tired and lazey)
I was like "oh my god his laugh is so cute" but then I remembered that he's in so much pain he's literally going insane and THAT'S why he's laughing and then it made me sad 😭
I love Swansea so, so much. He was an interesting and complex character till his very last moment. I love how his last words were how we all feel about Jimmy x') He used his last breath to express himself, but lastly to make Jimmy feel like shit. Swansea was a good man.
TW: Here I'm going to talk a lot about fucked up paraphilias and the reasons why Jimmy committed SA. The scene where Jimmy is doing an ultrasound on that mass of flesh is a metaphor for how he felt when he did an ultrasound on Anya and realized she was pregnant. The fact that he found two things that look like dogs (although we later find out that they were Polles) moving erratically may be a symbolism of him not seeing his unborn children as humans and that Anya was carrying twins. The erratic movement they make may be a symbolism of how the babies were at an advanced stage where they could already move and the "barking" sounds they make could be a representation of their heartbeats and how the fetuses had already developed a heart. The fact that the fetuses were twins and are already at an advanced stage of development surprised and disturbed Jimmy a lot. That is why the Polles had such erratic movements and sounds. In that way we can feel the same fear and disgust that Jimmy felt. Since the babys are already very advanced in growth, aborting them would be considered murder in all countries. If you're wondering how Anya doesn't have a noticeably large belly if her pregnancy is pretty advanced, there are cases where the baby may be small enough to not make noticeable changes in the size of the belly. This scene ends with the mass of flesh waking up and vomiting out a bunch of Polles. This symbolizes that realization hited Jimmy hard. He realized that Anya was going to give birth soon and the responsibility of helping her do so would fall on him. This means that he is going to have to watch her give birth and help her deliver more than one baby. This scene symbolizes how that disturbed and disgusted him greatly. I also have an interpretation about one of the final scenes where Polle talks to Jimmy. His dialogue text is colored light blue just like Anya's. This symbolizes that in Jimmy's nightmare, these two characters merged and are now questioning him about his responsibility. This kind of fusion is quite common in dreams. This fusion between Polly and Anya happened because Jimmy has a crush on both of them. Jimmy wasn't joking with Anya when he said he was sexually attracted to horse cartoons, even though she wanted to think he was just messing with her. He must have developed this attraction to Polle because he was locked in a place where there are many posters of him pasted in the hallways. In fact, there is a scene that could symbolize this, where Jimmy falls through a hallway with walls completely filled with these posters. The reason for his paraphilia could also be because while growing up or at least in Tulpar, he feels very sexually repressed and that's why he seeks to release himself sexually with almost anything that has a humanoid form. The need for release must also be one of the reasons why he decided to SA Anya. And going back to how the animals inside the mass of meat were a bunch of Polles, they could symbolize that he came to feel a certain attraction to fetuses, if we remember that he is sexually attracted to Polle and how he is quite sexually deviant in general. Back to the scene where Polle is talking to Jimmy, Polle wonders if he should call him boss or old man. This could be something Jimmy himself must have said to the higher-ups to try to get along with them or it could simply be a phrase said by another corporate. Jimmy probably dreamed that he would be the one to whom this phrase would be said one day and that is why in his nightmare he dreams that Polle says it to him. "Seems a little above your pay grade. Given all this". Here Polle represents the company "Pony Express" and how the corporates there would talk to Jimmy if they found out what he did with Tulpar and his crew. After all, Polle is it’s official mascot. “I know what you think of this predicament of yours” is a phrase that a businessman would use. There are a lot of people in the business world who choose to use complicated or highly technical phrases like “predicament” to sound more intellectual and feel superior, not caring if they are talking to people who are not very educated on these subjects and might not fully understand what they are saying. Seeing all the immoral actions that Pony Express has done, it is not surprising that such shitty businessmen are part of that company. They often use these phrases to confuse people into accepting abusive deals and they surely used this type of manipulation with Jimmy and the rest of the crew. "Poor you, caged and misunderstood", this could be a phrase that doesn't sound like something that Anya or a businessman would say, so I think that this line is something that Jimmy thinks that Polle would say to him and something that he thinks himself. "Polle says: [SORRY]" This is another skit from Pony Express, showing how they behaved when Curly was told that the crew will be fired. They should have said sorry for this, but the brevity with which the "SORRY" sign appeared shows how surely in the document they sent to Curly, this word appeared only once, being the only instance in which they worded an apology, feeling like rather cold, brief and empty apologies. "If all of that is true... why are you still so concerned with him" This phrase would be said by Polle and is actually a way for Jimmy to tell himself in a non-direct way that he does not want to take responsibility for what happened to Curly. Jimmy was also afraid of Anya saying that line to him, when she asked him if he could give Curly's medicine for her, while Curly could hear her conversation from the infirmary. He became very defensive, showing that he really didn't want to do it. He started to get afraid that Anya would question his responsibility, so he became very verbally and emotionally abusive towards her so that she wouldn't dare to question him and it is for this very reason that he ends up agreeing to give Curly his medicine despite being very negative about it. I also have an interpretation about the hallucinations Jimmy had at the beginning, when he crashed the ship and was going through the hallway and doors. The statues of Polly chasing him (if we remember how Polly can also symbolize the Pony Express company) are a symbolism of how Jimmy begins to realize that he will definitely receive consequences from Pony Express and the baby cries that are heard in the background indicate that he also became aware of the consequences that Anya's pregnancy could have (being obligated to being a father and having to calm his childrens cries at night).
@euphorialover911 You're right, I missed it. Probably the ultrasound scene was in the nightmare so we could feel more immersed in how Jimmy reacted to Anya's pregnancy. Maybe Anya told Jimmy that she had an ultrasound and found out she had twins and was already a few months pregnant, maybe not very far along but enough to give birth on the ship. Considering Anya's personality and her fear of Jimmy, she shouldn't have told him these details in a dramatic or exaggerated way but still this information hit Jimmy hard. His reaction of just walking away might show us how stunned he was.
57:42 “why do you think they put a lock on the medical room but not the sleeping quarters?” 59:50 “you think I wanted this either?” 1:23:55 “close your eyes daisuke.” 1:33:03 “Jim, t-tell me you didn’t.” 1:40:01 Take Gun. 1:58:49 “I… fixed it..”
50:00 i just realized that anya considers taking the mouthwash knowing the ethanol content and what that would do to her pregnancy, but chooses not to take it because it wouldn't take away from her suffering :( the worst part is, she confides in jimmy and that pos says nothing about it
i believe it was because of the conversation the two of them had. curly, being a captain, was at the top of the ladder, but despite that he wasn't satisfied. he wanted to quit and do something else. but jimmy liked the control being a captain gave him, he wanted to stay with pony express and eventually be like curly, but pony express shutting down pulled the rug from right under him. besides that he didn't know what he wanted to do with this life. but of course him being mad at curly still isnt rational at all which is why he's a dickweed
mostly cuz it meant his actions would be out. he just lost his job, and with how horrible he was with anya, hell be lucky if he ever gets another job. suddenly he needs to take responsibility
basically what sonasona said, if im correct the whole gear twisting thing is all Jimmy's state of delusion (but he is feeding Curly his own leg and the gear turning thing is most likely symbolism for Jimmy trying to make sure the leg travels through Curly's digestive system successfully without him vomiting it back up)
Use this as your “I fucking hate Jimmy” button folks 🙏
not me i fucking love jimmy
I WANT IT TO STARVE
@@fabulousmaggot1124real ‼️‼️
He's so bad my best friend had to make up a word just to NOT call his now
I present you guys..
" *JITCH* "
Was looking him up earlier for something I needed and one of the options it gave me was “Jimmy x Reader”
bro..
Do you think the reason Swansea was trying to keep the last stasis pod a secret was so he could put Daisuke in there last minute when judgement hour hit so he could have at least a slim chance of surviving because he believed Daisuke was too young to go out like this?
stop no dont make me go even more insane
no bc thats what I thought. that he was saving it for daisuke or anya :(
Yes, he straight up says that before axing the dude. Just goes "You're a dumb kid trying your best stuck with a bunch of old bitter people and you deserved another chance"
Yep, Swansea says he already has everything he wanted on the ship. So there is no point in saving his own life.
Couldn't they had put him in the cryo pod to stop the bleeding ?
they could never make me hate you....Anya and Daisuke,,,,,
Amen babes 🙏❤️ amen 😞🥺❤️
their board games :(
No one could make me like you, Jimmy ❤️
AND Swansea 👅..
the cyro pods should’ve been for them
I could be reaching but Daisuke representing a hibiscus flower, which not only do they spiritually represent friendship, good luck, and joy but they are also short lived within their lifespan as well....
FUCK-
Oh god is cant handle this much of sadness I love you Daisuke
DAISUKE MY BOI 😭
oh this hurts me
Killing myself NOW
it really sucks how no one protected anya in this situation ]: swansea only wanted daisuke in the cryopod - and i think talked anya into accepting that when they spoke and jimmy walked in on them - curly told her everything would be 'fine' and tried to cover for jimmy, daisuke was manipulated into dying in trying to get to her, (though jimmy was more worried about curly in that moment than her). anya tried to tell jimmy of her condition and have him take responsibility, and instead, he crashed the ship and doomed everyone and pretended that none of this was his fault.
anya asking why there werent any locks on the sleeping quarters is haunting.
jimmy deserves worse than his ending in this game. he says he 'fixed' everything (everyone's dead because of him) and that he thinks curly is a better man. in exchange for curly covering his ass, jimmy forcefeeds him medicine to the point that he's sobbing, feeds him his own leg, and extends his suffering in the only cryopod left. Jimmy spends the game torturing every other member of the crew and only leaving curly 'alive' in return for his loyalty (and thus making him a scapegoat of jimmy's own guilt).
why did no one care about anya?
I actually have a theory (not to justify, if you don't like it or have something to add please feel free to do so). But it's kind of implicit that the conversation that Anya and Swansea had was most likely her telling Swansea that she was pregnant and that Jim had done it. That's why he said that "he was keeping his composure" once Jim entered the room. But honestly he was unable to do a lot bc of the critical state of the ship. And a personal theory is that Swansea knew Anya's plans of ending her life and that is why he was already on the door, like, he actually cared about her, but he knew there was nothing left to do... she wanted to end it, and he had no control over it exept for honor her desire and not disturb her. He was a drunk man, and ofc he was unable to protect Daisuke eaven when he tried before.
But yeah, i see your point, Jimmy was a literal Sh1t, Curly didn't protected her and was trying to cover up the abuse, Daisuke probably didn't eaven knew about the pregnancy and Swansea wasn't doing enougth to protect her.
Oh god, i just realized why she mentioned there being no locks on the sleeping quarters
Anya is such an underrated character, her story is so sad and I wish someone could have defended her :(
@@hopeful2495 "For safety"
God
@@El_Sombrerero-Loco oh my god :((
i remember watching that part of the gameplay where jimmy is carrying curly to the cryopod and i just said "oh my god jimmy please just let him die"
curly was DEFINITELY not the best person but it hurt me so much to see him have to watch all of his friends die
I thought Swansea was annoying but Jimmy is way WAY worse. Holy fuck
i think swansea is one of my fav characters throughout it, probably one of the characters u learn the most abt. hes a grumpy asshole but he clearly cares for his crewmates, especially his intern. that moment u have with him, while hes in the chair and the background playing actual footage. its insane, hes pretty underrated me thinks…
@@misteroshea Same. His monologue made me feel a lot of things, it's my favorite scene in the whole game
literally all of the characters pmo except for anya & daisuke
And we play the bad guy all along
To me Swansea is one of my favs because he's really realistic for the situation he gets placed into. He's able to admit he's done wrong and actually take accountability for it and I think he even tries to acknowledge those who try to do right (Daisuke). I'm pretty sure he cared for Daisuke so much that he was going to put him into the cryo pod so he could be saved.
There are so many layers to this and I love it. I fucking despise Jimmy, but it's very fascinating to see why the hell he ended up doing the things he did (except for SAing Anya. I don't see any rationale there except for him being a gigantic, raging asshole).
His main thing is that he cannot, ever, ever take responsibility. It's quite literally his fatal flaw. He seethes with envy when it comes to Curly, who was the captain, the number one. Curly's at the top rung of the ladder because he can take responsibility. It's literally his job as the captain. His responsibility is his crew. And I think that Jimmy recognized that. He hates that he knows that the reason why Curly is captain is because he's responsible. He wanted to be in Curly's place, to be the great leader that everyone talks about. But for that, Jimmy has to take responsibility. The funny thing is, he's been given opportunities to do just that.
Firstly, Anya. I feel like this is one of the most central points of the game, despite how incredibly subtle it is. It's only when Anya tells him about the baby that he decides to crash the ship (IIRC, that segment was 0 hrs before the crash). He should've taken responsibility for her situation and for the baby. He's given an opportunity to show that he can take responsibility, and instead of fessing up and admitting to his crime, he dodges it and crashes the ship to run away from the consequences.
Secondly, him becoming the captain in place of Curly. He's given the opportunity to prove that he can be just as good as Curly, except that he literally cannot prove it. Because of his flaw. He demeans Anya, leads Daisuke to his death, and wastes medical supplies that he knew they were short supply on. He just keeps making bad decision after bad decision. The worst part is that he doesn't even try to assume responsibility over them because "he can fix it".
Finally, his death. He takes the coward's way out and kills himself to escape the consequences of his actions. He doesn't try to see them through and only passes it on to Curly. What's funny is that to some extent it's clear that he's being haunted by his decisions (hence the latter half the game and the surreal horror revolving around Curly), and yet he still doesn't want to take responsibility for the crew members' deaths.
What a horrible, horrible piece of shit. I really can't help but applaud the developers for their game.
I dont give a crap what the hell jimmys done hes the best person on the ship cause despite being a coward hes the only one with the balls to actually do anything curly anya swansea and possibly daisuke coulda kicked his butt at any moment why the hell should jimmy take responsibility if nobody on the ship has the balls to say it to his face
@@jknifgijdfuievery fandom has that one group of people i guess.. 💔
@@Lardypoo why are you booin me im right
@@jknifgijdfui me when i'm in my safe and lovely echo chamber:
Tbf if I had that kind of guilt on my shoulders I would take the coward’s way out too 😭
the way jimmy went out... he genuinely should've gotten worse. that was basically mercy
He got the least painful way out. He caused Great suffering to everyone else - especially curly and Anya, but he got the easy way out. No suffering, no pain, just lights out. What a piece of work.
In the end, he refused to take responsability to even face the consequences the fair way.
and got out in the most easy way.
thats the point.
Not only did he not take responsability by starving to death on the ship, he also does not mercy kill his "best friend", he runs away twice with that action. God what a piece of work he is.
@@Bluz_Spiral0 agree that objectively it is still a selfish action, but cruelly enough it is the closest thing to positive character growth from Jimmy. At the end, in that moment, he's pawning off responsibility on curly and using him as a prop to make himself feel better no doubt, but for Jimmy, he is giving up his ability to control the narrative, which for him has been the most important thing. So while awful, in some way he did grow as a person at the end. Not by a lot. And not in a way that makes the ending any better, but it is technically growth
The nonlinear story telling is so good cuz I was genuinely so pissed at Jimmy when I saw how he used the isopropyl
what timestamp?
@@Izzy-fv4om 1:10:15 if we are talking about the decision to make a cocktail out of isopropyl & mouthwash
why? he did it to save anya and curly?
@@5w4m9y it implies he's done it before (to anya), especially considering there was only one thingie of ispropyl left
@@5w4m9yHe was really quick to jump to a spiked drink as a solution to a problem that didn't even really require it. Especially the bit where he says Swansea probably won't even remember what happened afterward.
Its on fucking sight jimmy
He's dead tho
@@anonymouslucario285 I'M FINDING HIS ASS IN HELL AND HE IS CATCHING THESE HANDS I SWEAR TO FUCK
@@anonymouslucario285 AFTERLIFE BITCH, LET ME SQUARE UP WITH YOU MINXIIR
@@anonymouslucario285 doesn't mean I can't attack him in hell
@@anonymouslucario285revive him and then kill him again
Whoever is doing the sound effects for daisuke you owe me an apology because I’m about to cry
Book marking for myself,
1:41:51 where I’m at currently
1:15:17
Jimmy do not show up to school tmr
They gonna scrap brah
LMAOAOAOWJSJS
Jimmy DO show up to school tomorrow youre first on my list
bro commented twice
No one else show up to school except Jimmy
I tried making a chronological timeline
-----------------------------------------
7 days before the crash: 17:07
[TAKE RESPONSIBILITY] 30:01
6 days before the crash: 33:51
2 days before the crash: 56:36
1 day before the crash: 1:19:45
0 days before the crash:
1:29:34
0:56
1:32:43
2 months after the crash: 5:23
31:43
40:45
[TAKE RESPONSIBILITY 45:42]
48:40
4 months after the crash: 57:58
(❌️3 typo error in-game) 4 months after the crash: 1:09:17
8 hours until Judgment: 1:02:26
6 hours until Judgment: 55:36
1:22:47
1 hour until Judgment: 1:33:31
[TAKE RESPONSIBILITY]
1:36:11
1:44:37
1:51:06
0 hours until Judgment:
1:56:48
This is so impressive what the heck
THANK YOUUU
Thank you you rock
Ty
Wait I'm so confused about the 3 months/4 months timeline 😭 how is Daisuke telling Jimmy 4 months after the crash that Anya is trapped in medical but 3 months after the crash is them planning to knock Swansea out? Am I stupid 😭
I'm so split between liking and hating Curly.
Like, yeah he seems like he wants to do the right thing, but he never seems to listen to Anya and always puts Jimmy first instead of taking real actions. He knows Jimmy makes her uncomfortable, and she tells him she doesn't want him anywhere near her but the first thing he does is check on the abuser.
It's like he can't fully accept his friend is a bad person, so he takes his side.
But there are still moments where he *is* concerned about Anya and where he tries to check on her and offers to help.
I just think that, as a captain, he isn't fair when it comes to how he treats his crew. He could and should have done more to help Anya and to punish Jimmy.
There's also the whole speech Jimmy gives about how he's at the top of the ladder? I know Jimmy is an unreliable narrator and an awful person, but we don't know if some of the things he said are true.
I'm trying to flesh out my understanding of these characters so if you're (somehow) reading this and have any opinion on Curly that would help me decide if I like him or not I'll be glad to hear them!
I feel like Curly was definitely biased and flawed due to him being long time friends with Jimmy and that clouding his decisions of handling the whole situation, but I also believe he was trying to get everyone through another 200+ days in a confined environment where it conflict erupted there wasn't really any jail they could put Jimmy in, he was a flawed character that trusted an abuser far too much but I fully believe he was *trying* to do the right thing, and probably could've to some degree if Jimmy didn't crash the ship
Well, if they’re already in space on the same ship for the next 8 months, keeping the two separate isn’t exactly a realistic option
He seems like the type to say “not all men” while also being one of the men who makes it easy for bad guys to get away with whatever they want. He never actually did anything good; just avoided doing anything obviously bad, and by contrast to jimmy seems good. But he caused this through inaction just as much as jimmy caused it through action
@crimeandspace he could've had him put in a cryopod maybe, at least to prevent him from trying anything else
Definitely he tried to keep the peace i the worst way where he tried to hear them both out but 100% was biased towards Jimmy knowing he's gone through alot. He was giving Jimmy his first in-game opportunity to take responsibility for a situation only for Jimmy to flip it all on him with a "Well you're responsible for us" spiel.
0/10. Not even a single mouth was washed
LMAOOO
what about swanseas
I'm in love with the amount of Jimmy hate comments, keep it going lads
Is jimmy kind or evil or sugarcoating his actions?
@Что-ю3ъ he's just an asshole
@@Что-ю3ъAbsolutely yes he sugarcoats everything. he is trying to take responsibility like curly which he is clearly is not his thing, he technically made everyone in the ship k!ll themselfs, he is a scumbag and he will never ever learn that he only thinks he can make things better but he cannot so yeah. He sugarcoats it.
@@Что-ю3ъ
Jimmy did not take responsibility
the sound design in this is next level
Seriously. It’s brilliant. Some of the music scores brought tears to my eyes just because of how well utilised they were.
@@dieog3078 the visceral choking and struggling as curly is fed his pills.. heartwrenching
Seriously, no one talks about how good it is. It's overshadowed by the writing, I think, but it adds SO MUCH. I was watching this with headphones and other moments without and when I tell you the sheer amount of dread I felt when I had my headphone on. I had to lower my volume because I was so genuinely uncomfortable (I am kinda soft esp when it comes to sounds tho ) and I love it
You can even hear Anya's struggle at usg scene as a background music... That's beautifully disturbing
@@NadA-zo3tc Timestamp?
Imagine being a normal person just searching for mouthwash on Google and this shows up
"Mouthwash meaning"
"Mouthwash. A psychological horror video game th-"
if jimmy has 0 haters i've joined daisuke.. I HATE YOU JIMMY
I find it interesting that the game keeps mentioning and repeating “take responsibility” yet neither Jimmy OR curly take responsibility for their actions
How can the latter take responsibility when he's as broken as a mirror turned to sand?
@ fair 😞
The reason curly is even like that is because he tried to take responsibility and do something last second before the crash
curly didnt have time though? the ship crashes RIGHT after he enters the cockpit. id say his biggest flaw was not immediately confronting jimmy about assaulting anya.
Curly did take responsibility, that's why he's in the state where he no longer can.
JIMMY WHEN I CATCH YOU JIMMY..JIMMY WHEN I CATCH YOU JIMMY..
He’s not real, and he’s just some pixels 🤷♂️
@Choimatuyko But like...he's not rad😔
@@Sammwhen_consumablesoap wdym, I’m not good at English, sorry:’)
@Choimatuyko Hes not super awsome and cool like the rest of the crew. 😕
@@Sammwhen_consumablesoap fr:)). What a loser
Nothing scares me more than the godforsaken doors sliding open
Same I jump every time
i thought it was only me..
SCP Containment Breach PTSD 😰
That is so true. It sounded like screaming when I first heard it.
genuinely never came across a game that made me have a slight mental break after playing it like this one. 10 out of 10.
Same this game has me genuinely tweaking
@@ghostlytavern129like a bad acid trip but in a good way.
are u ok? pls take care of ur health
the screen tearing effect at 1:04:17 covering Curly's bed is amazing
it also covers anya's dead body
This game was so well designed omg
@@lynniewood agreed. This is gonna stick with me for a while. Really incredible stuff
I thought untill the end i had a graohic glitch but i was to afraid of clsoing the game and repairing it.
I just found out it was actualyl intendet.
Jimmy is an amazing unreliable/villainous protag, this 2 hr video game has better characters/themes than most mainstream Hollywood slop. Not to mention the graphical direction/sound design choices. Kudos to the devs!!!
The Devil getting dethroned the moment Jimmy walks in
Can't agree with you more.
I'm only about 26 minutes in and I fucking hate Jimmy
I'm 30 minutes in and hate Jimmy as well
Now that I'm finished I'm not so sure
Okay I reflected and hate him more than ever
i finished all of it and i also also fucking hate jimmy
@@milenasheher 😭😭 real as hell, I finished and I was like damn Jimmy's clearly fucked up...and then I thought about it and I was like actually fuck him he deserved worse
If Jimmy has 1,000,000 haters, I’m one of them. if he has 100 haters, I’m one of them. If he has 10 haters, I’m one of them. If he has 1 hater its me, if he has no haters, I’m dead
Google how do i repost RUclips comments
As much as I hate Jimmy that nasty piece of work I can't help but blame Curly as well for enabling Jimmy's behavior to the point of literally defending him when Anya confront him for SAing her
While it was obvious Jimmy was unstable and dangerous he was by no means out of options
literally what is Jimmy's issue? I feel like I'm missing something here. He did ALLL of that because... he was jealous that curly was better than him? like WHAT
well that, and also avoiding the consequences of what he did to Anya
@@coagulatedblooddrive I've been reading more into it now, and apparently I WAS missing something. What he did to Anya went completely over my head, and I was really confused about the whole pregnancy deal (Probably because Curly seemed so calm about it)
@@blomtomb7103 yeah, they definitely keep it very subtle! I feel like Curly's reaction is also just very much a depiction of how some people will hear about SA and say "I know him, he couldn't do that"
@@coagulatedblooddrive This is gonna sound really stupid, but my guess at first was like.. Jimmy and Anya were in a relationship, and then she cheated on him with Curly?? Which is why Jimmy got so mad and did all of that? But yeah knowing what he did to Anya now makes way more sense, and shows how much of a terrible person he is
@@coagulatedblooddriveSorry, can you help me understand where it was implied that it was not consensual? Idk if I missed something, but I went through thinking the whole time they just had a secret fling but she wound up getting pregnant from it and Jimmy was just avoiding being a father.
six minutes in. i fucking love daisuke
OH MY GOD??? 🙁🙁 1:02:31
1:24:03 whoopsies
@@Irolyemers i have finished watching the gameplay. if i ever see jimmy it will be on sight
This didn’t age well
@@kittycarnage it really didn't
lowkey happened to me one time
woah did you live fam
@@deletedaccount6732they’re just built like that
@@pilot_bulletguts2820 u were a pony express worker
Same vro, happens to the best of us!!1!!
hi curly
I love Swansea when He started dancing I laughed so hard my head and my stomach hurts😭😭
He's my fav character 😭😭
@@themeechanic SAMEE
That's literally why he's one of my favorites 😭
ME TOOOO HE'S SO UMDERATED
@@pastel-petals-- REALL
41:22 omg poor curly hes in pain :( and then f*cking jimmy only took the initiative to give him painkillers the second time because he wanted to vent his frustrations out on him..
I love how you can still fully digest and appreciate this game without actually playing it. Most of the time even with heavily story centric games i still feel like I'm missing out on something when watching a playthrough
THE BABY’S CRIES IS A FUCKING AWESOME DETAIL the fact that he doesn’t WANT to take responsibility and everything is here to remind him is fucking beautiful
i almost cried when j heard the babies crying and idk why 😭
@@Al_xS_cks no but fr poor guy wasn't even born he was living a nightmare along with his mom
they could never make me like you jimmy
But for $20...
@@thegermanfool8953 20 dollars cheap as hell i’d need at least 500 dollars
@@synthwave-arcade add a Big Mac with a cold Coca-Cola. 😂
@@thegermanfool8953 nah💔 mcdonald’s is ass i still want 500 dollars LOLZ
a few minutes in and honestly jimmy is kinda cool i think ill like him
edit: god damnit, jimmy.
genuinely one of the biggest betrayals i’ve seen in a comment
THE EDIT LMAOO
top 10 biggest anime betrayals
Loud incorrect buzzer
around 7minutes in, I like jimmy. Hes cool.
Jimmy has some fucking audacity
anya and daisuke didnt deserve this😭
Tbh most deserving of the fate (bar ovv jimmy) is curly due to how his failings caused jimmy to go as far as he did
Real 😭
Swansea relapse partially being the reason Daisuke dies HURTSSS
wasnt his fault, he couldnt watch Daisuke suffer
@ I meant the fact he became an alcoholic again that was the reason Jimmy was able to spike him (Jimmy took advantage of his relapse and gave him a spiked drink knowing he wouldn’t refuse it) so if he never relapsed he might’ve said no to the drink and therefore daisuke wouldn’t have been able to get into the room with the vent and die.
When I know nobody got me, I know no commentary games do, can I get an amen
EDIT: 285 LIKES?? Thanks^^
Amen vro
Amen halleluha
Amen
Amen
what is amen?
Jimmy is going straight down to Super Hell. First class. No judgement needed
I thought it was just a game about people drinking mouthwash, BOY WAS I WRONG
You don’t DRINK MOUTHWASH 😭😭
ikr I was getting sick thinking about it but I was still curious 😕
Mouthwashers when they drink mouthwash or something (idk I’m still watching it):🤩💅😳🫣💧👅✨
i get what you mean but they do very much drink so much mouthwash in this game
I mean they did drink mouthwash
"close your eyes daisuke " GET OUT !!!!! ‼️‼️🔥🔥🗣️🗣️
Close your eyes DIVA 💜
I just noticed that at the 1:54:33 mark, when the halls are covered with the ID cards, Anya’s face is always covered up and everyone else’s is visible.
God i hope curly gets found and lives the rest of his life happy
he would need severe therapy after having to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
Hola
Happy? He's never going to recover from that shit, even intensive therapy won't help. There's slight hope since apparently this is the future where they have the technology as seen from the Tulpar, to travel in space so there's hope that they have better technology to at least help Curly but he's never going to heal mentally and physically.
knowing the high level very professional knowledge that i know about cryonic preservation (red valley fiction podcast) jimmys ass fucked that up too, with the lack of preparation and curlys barely hanging onto life by a thread of a thread he def wouldn't have survived even the first few seconds
@@wren000 eh, i doubt the developers were taking that into account. i think it's more striking to suspend disbelief with the horror at the thought that that curly will be stuck there alone for 20 years
JIMMY. WHEN I CATCH YOU JIMMY. JIMMY WHEN I CATCH YOU. I HATE JIMMY I HATE JIMMY I HATE JIMMY I HATE HIM
My friend actually just told me this, but swans kill their children if theyre sick and thats what swansea did. I think its a cute and sad detail :(
This game is so fucking good. Idc what anyone says Swansea was the best character and also the one with the Hawaiian shirt. Loved that guy.
What do you think about Anya?
the one with the hawaiian shirt 😭🙏
NO- MY BOY DAISUKE DID NOTHING WRONG 😭😭
So I've seen 3 playthroughs of this and I can usually get through the close your eyes diasuke part but without any commentary watching makes me want to cry
cute pfp :']
This game will be mentioned in my suicide note.
How the fuck did Curly survive that long without skin ? Throughout this entire thing, the constant question i had was why torture this guy by keeping him alive in excruciating pain ?
The more I think about it, the more I understand but then when I think about it more, I'm just as lost as before.
Pucker up developers im giving you THE kiss of the century.
Don't do it. Take this from a stranger you know nothing about.
I don't know you, or anything about your life. But George Carlin said it best: "This world's simply too entertaining to off myself. Everyone's born into the front row seat of the biggest freakshow in this circus of a universe, and that's humanity. It'll never get boring. Life is a one-time ticket. Use it well, because there's no refunds."
Man...i know some times live suck ass but, even like even when we are alone we can find something good to feel better things are'nt good by their selves WE make then good for our selves,
You can make your life good
the raw look, the weeping red all over his bed and the constant pained groaning sound makes me think that curly has deep 2nd degree burns - like the skin is mostly burned off, but he's not too damaged so the nerves are still pretty much intact. he can feel everything. people with this injury have recovered around 3 months after the incident with enough debriding and skin grafts. he would've been dead with 3rd degree burns without proper medical care.
I know this was a month ago but I just can't move past this without saying something. Please, don't do it. You'll find something to live for. Don't give up.
im so glad i found a playthrough without commentary, its so distracting trying to watch the gameplay while hearing someone talk, ALSO JIMMY ISTG ITS ON SIGHT
Such a good indie horror. Beautiful design, great dialogue , and a good story I couldn’t ask for more :]
Daisuke, they could never make me hate you
WHY TF DID HE DIE.
i dont get how anyones saying they like curly when he stood by jimmy despite knowing he was hurting anya
i think most people who like Curly like him because of his flaws, not in spite of them. he's not a perfect ray of sunshine - he's a human being who makes mistakes. he was too nice for his own good, and let that colour his judgement of Jimmy, rather than evidence from a victim. he still didn't deserve what he got, which is why most people root for him. no matter his mistakes, he's 200 times the captain Jimmy could ever be.
Mh I think he's a good character with quite realistic behaviors and decisions, he's not a hero, and I don't think he's portrayed as one. I like him because of that, he seems like a normal person in a terrible situation, who prioritized "keeping peace" over other aspects, which is something a lot of people do (and probably most people have behaved like that a few times during their lives). I think thats why people liked his character
true, i get that flaws are very human & i think he's a good character, it's just hard for me to imagine woobifying an enabler of sexual abuse. the scene before the crash where curly says that they'll get through it, relating to the pregnancy (and possible outing of what jimmy did). it reads like curly was going to keep sticking by & defending him even after it was revealed what he had done. it's off putting in a way thats too close to real life
@cack1e I don't exactly think he was enabling Jimmy and more so just unable to do much more. He went to confront Jimmy the day he was going to crash the ship which put him in a bit of an (unknowing) time crunch. As captain, he would have to think through every single one of his options to choose the right one that wouldn't affect the crew or the job that they still had to complete. Plus, Jimmy had an explosive personality and Curly was possibly walking on eggshells because he didn't want to set him off in fear that he'd do something rash and hurt himself or someone else. Whose to say he wasn't with Anya the entire time he was thinking through his options? There's a lot unsaid, and I think the information given isn't enough to label Curly as a bad man who enabled an abuser just because they were friends.
Not to mention that throughout the game, Jimmy is shown to belittle, mock, and degrade Curly and he usually just takes it and doesn't fight back. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scared of Jimmy himself.
Sorry for the super long message, I'm really passionate about the topic of morally gray characters and I've also played this game 5 times the past week so it's sort of taking over my mind lol. In my opinion, Curly isn't a bad guy, just someone who trusted others far too much and saw the good in people who didn't deserve it. He reminds me a lot of Daisuke in that aspect
@@envy1266it's the fact that curly just wanted to "fix things" instead of confront jimmy that enables the abuse. curly should have done more than just console a rapist and tell them "they'll fix it together". there should be no fixing, only accountability. it was his job to defend and support Anya, the victim, and yet all he did was console her literal abuser.
inaction can also be enabling. lack of justice is still injustice.
jimmy do not pull up at school tomorrow you’re cooked😭🙏
“jimmy pull up we won’t jump you”
@@smileyranterjimmy dw we won’t jump you come to school tomorrow!!
After watching this I just have one question; What the FUCK was Jimmy's problem?
not taking responsibility
His ego
@@departeddaylight2810I genuinely don’t understand how ‘taking responsibility’ would have fixed anything when they were all already fucked
@@crimeandspace taking responsibility would have prevented the inciting incident [crashing the ship]
He's a coward, a sociopath, and a narcissist.
The worst possible human being you can have in your midst.
I think the worst part is how many Jimmy's are out there and how many Anya's suffer for it...
They could never make me hate you Daisuke and Anya
1:23:48 stuck w me :( they were all just trying their best (apart from Jimmy) but Daisuke was just a kid
I actually have a theory (not to justify, if you don't like it or have something to add please feel free to do so). But it's kind of implicit that the conversation that Anya and Swansea had was most likely her telling Swansea that she was pregnant and that Jim had done it. That's why he said that "he was keeping his composure" once Jim entered the room. But honestly he was unable to do a lot bc of the critical state of the ship. And a personal theory is that Swansea knew Anya's plans of ending her life and that is why he was already on the door, like, he actually cared about her, but he knew there was nothing left to do... she wanted to end it, and he had no control over it exept for honor her desire and not disturb her. He was a drunk man, and ofc he was unable to protect Anya or Daisuke eaven when he tried before.
It was also speculated that once she told him she was going to end her life if they aren’t able to get out, that Swansee would save Diaske instead of curly in the cryopod
1:19:17 the way the game made the sound effects so realistic?? i could literally taste daisuke's panic WHAT
1:20:53 everytime im rewatching Mouthwashing and this part comes on.. man i just tear up
This game was so so much more complicated than anybody I see talking about it makes it seem, Anya and Jimmy and Curly had such a interesting dynamic, they're all such dimensional characters, I've never seen people call someone with such an interesting story one dimensionally evil, this is such a good game I wish more people would see into it more. Even the way curly still wanted to protect Jimmy and cover up for him and was willing to do anything to keep his best friend safe with him FUCK this games so good
this game writings is phenomenal, not even oscar winning horror movies are this level of writing, nothing is put there just because of the plot like one domensional character like you said. Everyone is fucked, all of them are trying their best, 3 of them are villains in their own ways, one is just unlucky, another is neglected. It's horrifically tragic but goddamn how realistic this game is told.
the non linear story telling is good
What is non linear story telling?
@@Что-ю3ъ it's when the plot isnt in the chronological order 🙂
@@rxxx9245 What is chronological
@@Что-ю3ъ Non linear is when you tell the events of a story out of order. If you did it in order the game would start days before the crash, then the crash happens, and then the game would show what happened after the crash in order. But its non linear so instead it alternates between events from the present and events from the past
i have been watching this vidio over and over again to see if i missed any details since i want to understand the full storry, and we all know Jimmy is an ass but if you think about it Curly isn't a good person either since he ignors Anya's please for help and instead comforts Jimmy. i love this game so mch and how you have to see every detale to understand it all. the game shows a lot of commen things like that a lot man think woman can't handle stress and break down all the time, you can see it at the way jimmy and Curly treat Anya evan though she is the one going through so much without resiving help and even when she calls out for help to somebody who is requiert tho help her (Curly) her please gets pushed to the side since the person who did that to her (Jimmy) is a close friend with the person she asked for help.
Mouthwashing is a realistic storry with realistic charectes, i portrays a lot like selfishnes, betrayal, narcissism, helplessness, acception and so much more. (i would write more but im tired and lazey)
About Curly ignoring Anya's pleas for help. Its an brutally accurate depiction of SA. Its like Curly is saying "Yea i know him, he wouldnt do that"
Sad that Curly wanted to try new things just to end up how he did 😢
1:29:05 this is my favorite moment in the game
I was like "oh my god his laugh is so cute" but then I remembered that he's in so much pain he's literally going insane and THAT'S why he's laughing and then it made me sad 😭
My favorite scene is the part where Swansea talks about his life. 1:42:10
@@deletedaccount6732 NO STOP SAME💔
Curly's Joker moment, fully colourised.
the swansea and jimmy dialogue at the end, this game is beautiful
Daiskites death to me is the saddest. He didn’t choose death, it was given as mercy,
My horror of peeking in the comments section of Jimmy haters when it dawns on me that we PLAY as Jimmy
I love Swansea so, so much. He was an interesting and complex character till his very last moment. I love how his last words were how we all feel about Jimmy x') He used his last breath to express himself, but lastly to make Jimmy feel like shit. Swansea was a good man.
I didn’t like him until that point
Anya. Everyone failed you and I'm so sorry baby. I'm so sorry.
first time in my life i had to literally take a break staring at the wall. wow.
TW: Here I'm going to talk a lot about fucked up paraphilias and the reasons why Jimmy committed SA.
The scene where Jimmy is doing an ultrasound on that mass of flesh is a metaphor for how he felt when he did an ultrasound on Anya and realized she was pregnant. The fact that he found two things that look like dogs (although we later find out that they were Polles) moving erratically may be a symbolism of him not seeing his unborn children as humans and that Anya was carrying twins. The erratic movement they make may be a symbolism of how the babies were at an advanced stage where they could already move and the "barking" sounds they make could be a representation of their heartbeats and how the fetuses had already developed a heart. The fact that the fetuses were twins and are already at an advanced stage of development surprised and disturbed Jimmy a lot. That is why the Polles had such erratic movements and sounds. In that way we can feel the same fear and disgust that Jimmy felt. Since the babys are already very advanced in growth, aborting them would be considered murder in all countries.
If you're wondering how Anya doesn't have a noticeably large belly if her pregnancy is pretty advanced, there are cases where the baby may be small enough to not make noticeable changes in the size of the belly.
This scene ends with the mass of flesh waking up and vomiting out a bunch of Polles. This symbolizes that realization hited Jimmy hard. He realized that Anya was going to give birth soon and the responsibility of helping her do so would fall on him. This means that he is going to have to watch her give birth and help her deliver more than one baby. This scene symbolizes how that disturbed and disgusted him greatly.
I also have an interpretation about one of the final scenes where Polle talks to Jimmy. His dialogue text is colored light blue just like Anya's. This symbolizes that in Jimmy's nightmare, these two characters merged and are now questioning him about his responsibility. This kind of fusion is quite common in dreams. This fusion between Polly and Anya happened because Jimmy has a crush on both of them. Jimmy wasn't joking with Anya when he said he was sexually attracted to horse cartoons, even though she wanted to think he was just messing with her. He must have developed this attraction to Polle because he was locked in a place where there are many posters of him pasted in the hallways.
In fact, there is a scene that could symbolize this, where Jimmy falls through a hallway with walls completely filled with these posters.
The reason for his paraphilia could also be because while growing up or at least in Tulpar, he feels very sexually repressed and that's why he seeks to release himself sexually with almost anything that has a humanoid form. The need for release must also be one of the reasons why he decided to SA Anya.
And going back to how the animals inside the mass of meat were a bunch of Polles, they could symbolize that he came to feel a certain attraction to fetuses, if we remember that he is sexually attracted to Polle and how he is quite sexually deviant in general.
Back to the scene where Polle is talking to Jimmy, Polle wonders if he should call him boss or old man. This could be something Jimmy himself must have said to the higher-ups to try to get along with them or it could simply be a phrase said by another corporate. Jimmy probably dreamed that he would be the one to whom this phrase would be said one day and that is why in his nightmare he dreams that Polle says it to him.
"Seems a little above your pay grade. Given all this". Here Polle represents the company "Pony Express" and how the corporates there would talk to Jimmy if they found out what he did with Tulpar and his crew. After all, Polle is it’s official mascot.
“I know what you think of this predicament of yours” is a phrase that a businessman would use. There are a lot of people in the business world who choose to use complicated or highly technical phrases like “predicament” to sound more intellectual and feel superior, not caring if they are talking to people who are not very educated on these subjects and might not fully understand what they are saying. Seeing all the immoral actions that Pony Express has done, it is not surprising that such shitty businessmen are part of that company. They often use these phrases to confuse people into accepting abusive deals and they surely used this type of manipulation with Jimmy and the rest of the crew.
"Poor you, caged and misunderstood", this could be a phrase that doesn't sound like something that Anya or a businessman would say, so I think that this line is something that Jimmy thinks that Polle would say to him and something that he thinks himself.
"Polle says: [SORRY]" This is another skit from Pony Express, showing how they behaved when Curly was told that the crew will be fired. They should have said sorry for this, but the brevity with which the "SORRY" sign appeared shows how surely in the document they sent to Curly, this word appeared only once, being the only instance in which they worded an apology, feeling like rather cold, brief and empty apologies.
"If all of that is true... why are you still so concerned with him" This phrase would be said by Polle and is actually a way for Jimmy to tell himself in a non-direct way that he does not want to take responsibility for what happened to Curly. Jimmy was also afraid of Anya saying that line to him, when she asked him if he could give Curly's medicine for her, while Curly could hear her conversation from the infirmary. He became very defensive, showing that he really didn't want to do it. He started to get afraid that Anya would question his responsibility, so he became very verbally and emotionally abusive towards her so that she wouldn't dare to question him and it is for this very reason that he ends up agreeing to give Curly his medicine despite being very negative about it.
I also have an interpretation about the hallucinations Jimmy had at the beginning, when he crashed the ship and was going through the hallway and doors. The statues of Polly chasing him (if we remember how Polly can also symbolize the Pony Express company) are a symbolism of how Jimmy begins to realize that he will definitely receive consequences from Pony Express and the baby cries that are heard in the background indicate that he also became aware of the consequences that Anya's pregnancy could have (being obligated to being a father and having to calm his childrens cries at night).
Thank you ❤
Thanks now i hate jimmy mlre
wasnt it anya who realized she was pregnant first and then told jimmy and he just walked away ?
@euphorialover911 You're right, I missed it. Probably the ultrasound scene was in the nightmare so we could feel more immersed in how Jimmy reacted to Anya's pregnancy. Maybe Anya told Jimmy that she had an ultrasound and found out she had twins and was already a few months pregnant, maybe not very far along but enough to give birth on the ship. Considering Anya's personality and her fear of Jimmy, she shouldn't have told him these details in a dramatic or exaggerated way but still this information hit Jimmy hard. His reaction of just walking away might show us how stunned he was.
if the world has 0 jimmy haters im dead. I HATE JIMMY
goooooooood morrrrrrrrning anya mouthwashing 😁😉😍❤️😘 the rest of y'all 😒...😟...🙄... gm I guess 😒😒
My gosh, it’s like a silent hill in space.
Me and all my homies hate jimmy!!
57:42 “why do you think they put a lock on the medical room but not the sleeping quarters?”
59:50 “you think I wanted this either?”
1:23:55 “close your eyes daisuke.”
1:33:03 “Jim, t-tell me you didn’t.”
1:40:01 Take Gun.
1:58:49 “I… fixed it..”
50:00 i just realized that anya considers taking the mouthwash knowing the ethanol content and what that would do to her pregnancy, but chooses not to take it because it wouldn't take away from her suffering :( the worst part is, she confides in jimmy and that pos says nothing about it
1:42:12 is my favourite moment in the game
god real. it's so cinematic
It’s such a good moment I genuinely love it so much
i hope hell is real
JIMMY YOU BETTER NOT SHOW UP AROUND ME
GET HIS ASS
im confused. why was jimmy mad at curly when they heard the news about pony express shutting down? curly didn't make it happen
i believe it was because of the conversation the two of them had. curly, being a captain, was at the top of the ladder, but despite that he wasn't satisfied. he wanted to quit and do something else. but jimmy liked the control being a captain gave him, he wanted to stay with pony express and eventually be like curly, but pony express shutting down pulled the rug from right under him. besides that he didn't know what he wanted to do with this life. but of course him being mad at curly still isnt rational at all which is why he's a dickweed
mostly cuz it meant his actions would be out. he just lost his job, and with how horrible he was with anya, hell be lucky if he ever gets another job. suddenly he needs to take responsibility
What was happening at like 1:48:37 I was half asleep and confused. Why/what are they twisting
Curly’s gut, to make sure he swallows properly. If you fail the game, Curly throws that chunk of meat up and Jimmy forces him to swallow it again.
basically what sonasona said, if im correct the whole gear twisting thing is all Jimmy's state of delusion (but he is feeding Curly his own leg and the gear turning thing is most likely symbolism for Jimmy trying to make sure the leg travels through Curly's digestive system successfully without him vomiting it back up)
@@sonasona6325how do you know its the right twist
lord please take all of my pain and give it to jimmy
what an interesting profile picture!
@@samiamiiiii lets not talk about that 😭😭
time to joining the jimmy hater squad: 13:47
In the words of Total Recall: It’s the best mindfuck yet.
I need an AU where jimmy dies and the crew gets rescued
incredible I want 15 more of these
still cannot get over how HIGH QUALITY this gameplay is ohmy god HELELO????? it feels like im watching this in a theatre
That was quite a trip.
Yeah, but they promised unlimited mouthwash. I want my money back. Got scammed by those mfs.
1:55:12 is genuinely my favorite part of the game. Polle is so condescending and I LOVE IT. Fuck jimmy, man.
Eye for an eye was made just for jimmy
This game made me sick to my stomach, about everything...I have never sobbed so much over a game in my life.
45:07 curly’s noises here actually fucking hurt me so bad.
he sounds literally so miserable and it HURTS.
JIMMY WHEN I CATCH YOU JIMMY I SWEAR IT IS ON SIGHT.