Ⓕ How To Plane Thin Wood - Veneer Making (ep84)
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Using a thickness planer to make thin veneer and plane super thin wood is actually an easy task with a planer sled. You can use this for laminated wood and bent wood lamination, or splines for your woodworking projects. Whatever the need, making thin strips of wood is easy. Oh, and don't mind the woodworking bloopers at the end, that's just for ratings and stardom.
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This is what I needed to see! I want to mill my own violin lumber, and if this can take a homeowner grade planer down to 1mm, then that's perfect!
I know you did this video like 4 years ago but it’s still out there helping people like myself. Don’t have enough need for a drum sander yet but need some pieces of veneer here and there. Thanks!
That’s awesome to hear - thanks for letting me know 👊🏼
That's a great idea for getting a thin piece of material to work with! I gotta file this one away for future reference if I should need to make some thin pieces for a project. Thanks Nick!
thanks as always Dave - good setup for sure
I like your style. You don't beg for subscribers at the beginning like dozens of people do. The way you work it in later shows class. Great job! Oh yes, great skill at the wood too...
Thanks much - I appreciate that - and don't forget to SUBSCRIBE!!! Haha
Great tip Nick, thank you for passing along.
No prob - thanks for checking it out!
Looked around at a few videos on this and yours is the one i like the best. I like the hot glue idea rather than carpet tape and the addition of the stop. Thanks
Glad you found it useful
You have such a talent for teaching, nice work Nick! Plus, you even DIY your own sound effects, excellent :D
the noises we teach ourselves when sitting at a computer alone - thanks man!
I love that you don't have any crazy music playing in the background.
Great tip video, thinner parts especially for making toys or smaller items. Love the outtakes at the end.
Thanks LT - ideal for the small builds
the thin planning was an ok story, nothing I didn't already know. I gave you a thumbs up for the bloopers. They were great!! :D
Either way I can get you, I will!
Nick love the videos, but really love the outtakes.
Thanks Russ - no shortage of outtakes when my wife is helping me
What a great idea Nick. Would come in handy when you need to finish with a certain type of would.
Exactly - you see the potential!
Loved the outtakes Nick!
thanks man - I always seem to be messing around
Great to see your work again! Thanks!
Thanks man - always fun to be able to share something new
Excellent video, something I need to try on my lunch box planer! Great tips Nick!
Thanks Phil - works pretty slick
You’re a cool guy Nick & I love your sense of humour & skills 👍
Thanks much Sumo!
Great Video Nick! Hilarious out-Takes!
thanks man - debated putting those in there - I'm glad you liked them
Glad to c u making more videos again! Great advice Nick and nice video
thanks Brent - always fun to have another one out
Another great shop tip Nick. Thanks!
Thanks for checking it out!
I have the same planer. Its been real good to me over the years.
Same here - I've seen some bad reviews for it online but I'd buy mine again in a heartbeat - made my money back on it for sure - good to hear you've liked yours too!
"Are we still recording?!" love it! Good to see you making videos again. Now I just have to wait for the garage to get warm to go make sawdust.
I know that wait - winter can take away all the fun
thank you so much!!
My pleasure
fantastic jig nick I was just thinking I need something that does this just this morning thanks for the tip and the good laughs
thanks buddy - can't wait to see what you do with it
Gr8 tip Nick such a simple method when you know how.Keep up with these videos they are really helpful
Thanks for the feedback - fun change of pace
I love your out takes!!! You crack me up!! Oh yeah, the content of the video it self was also good.
haha - thanks - was debating putting the outtakes i this one - glad I did
Great out takes. And great video as well.
thanks - I'm always messing around
Fantastic idea!!! I’m always so excited to see your videos come out.
thanks - I'm glad to hear that
Haaaahahahaha! Great video - but I'm not gonna lie man, that outtake at the ending made me sub.
Haha, thanks - I’m always messing around
I've have used 2" wide double stick tape and a MDF board as it is stable and even. With Maple and Cherry, I took the thickness down to 1/16" as I was using it to build some Shaker Oval Boxes. Depending on the width of the board I would use 2 pieces of tape when they were wider. The tape would run the entire length of the board. Popped the boards up after planning with a putty knife.
good way of doing it - always cool to hear the different way people are using to get the job done!
Great tutorial, thank you!
My pleasure - Thanks for checking it out
Hey Nipple- Nick ! Great video just exactly what I expect from you . Great useful information and a bunch of smiles. Makes my day better. Looking forward to the project.
thanks man - I aim to please - smiles are dramatically underrated
Now that my planer is back up and running I'll have to give this a try. Will be good for laminating pen and beer tap blanks with a contrasting colors. Good stuff Nick!
You need to get Stacey to warm you up before recording 😁
I will let her know you said so Mark!
Thanks
No problem
Looks good Nick!!
Thanks brother!
Very interesting technique. I shall have to try this. Thank you sir.
Let me know how it goes
Awesome project
Thanks
Thanks for sharing Nike !!!! 👍👍👍👍
thanks Bob, always appreciated!
Yay! Nip.. Nick has a new video up! Joking aside, nice one!
Thanks man!! 😀
Super handy tip! Great! Thanks for sharing 🌲🦊🌲
thanks for checking it out!
Nice method. I'm gonna try this on some epoxy resin wood hybrid material I cast. I'm having trouble getting it as thin as I'd like. Hoping this will work better. 👍🏻 Thanks
Great video Nick, I appreciate the thorough explanation of the process and I enjoyed the outtakes as well....Laughing...
hahaha, thanks Jim!
Thanks Nick. I do the same with my stationary planer but I don't send the sled through the planer. It's just a piece of malamine with a small board attached to the underside to keep it from sliding through the planer. I wax it up and the material slides across it. It will make very thin material and no glue is used. The advantage, I never make a new sled. Unless...... I bring the cutter head too low. Which hasn't never happened.............................. yet. JimE
Good method - I'll have to try that - I had a similar setup on an old planer but never used it for thin stuff
BTW - Your videos are too far apart. :-) Easy for me to say..... I'm retired. Thanks.
Also, did Dema fall of the end of the earth, get deported :-), or what????? JimE
I know - was stressing about having them out on a regular basis for the wrong reasons and was chasing silly numbers - now it's because I want to and enjoy the craft - Dema as far as I know stopped making videos - I wouldn't want to speculate why but imagine if he's anything like me, family comes first - I miss his videos too
Thanks Nick. If ya see him tell him we miss him. Maybe Cremona is doing away with the competition and has him locked up in his basement. :-)
Haha - will do man
Cool to see how thin you can plane a piece of wood with typical equipment. But, I believe the feed rollers are on the top in this planer and the entire assembly is being pulled through by the stock being planed. It is the stock that is pulling the sled through the planer. So the sled should be fed through stop first. As it is the stop is doing nothing to keep the wood on the sled. It's clear the stop is really not needed because the stock is glued down, though I would still use one. Just turn it around.
You’re correct on the topside feed rollers but the stop is to counter the blade rotation force, not to act as a limit for slipping of material on the sled during feed - I typically only use hot glue on the leading edge of the material so as it gets thinner it doesn’t get pulled into the cutter head - the coefficient of friction is high enough between the sled and the material to feed the sled while never contacting the sled
Both the rollers and blade are acting on the top surface of the wood. It is the rollers that counteract the force of the blade. There's just two forces acting on the sled; the wood pulling it forward and the friction of the sled rubbing against the base of the planer. Only time a stop in the rear might help (with top feed rollers) is if you were pushing on the sled. Perhaps when you first feed in the sled it might help, but that would only occur if the front roller wasn't grabbing. But that would only be if the planner were not operating correctly.
Pretty cool technique!
thanks man!
Love your videos. Keep em coming.
thanks Rob!
You're a mad genius....👍👍
hahaha, thanks!
Great video. Thanks for sharing
no problem - thanks for watching!
Bloopers! Also, a great video!
thanks much!
Good and useful video, Nick!
thanks much!
Awesome video as always.....Love the outtakes at the end and trust me, being a fellow woodworker in Wisconsin I understand that the cold does strange things to your body :P
haha, yup - and we've had such a cold period lately
So you make the good parts of my day! Had good laughs.
And thanks for the fine trick.
thanks Alfred - glad I could give you a few laughs!
nice little setup there . it would be neat if someone came up with a sled that held the piece by vacuum so yo wouldnt loose that bit where the glue was. love the outtakes
thanks - you and I are on the same page - I though that would be cool as well
Great tip!
thanks!
Welcome back!
Thanks!
Why just not to cut those wood with jig or table saw first and do the final finish by planer instead of planing many times?
Thanks for the chat today. I have to be honest. Was very excited to chat with you. I have been watching your channel, Javi's, and Patrcicks for a while. Was really great to connect to you and hope to do it again some time. Are you still doing the woodworking podcast? I listen to podcasts while I work, so was just curious. I had considered starting a podcast as I really enjoy just chatting about woodworking and other stuff. Great chat today and hope to talk again soon. Hope you have a great day buddy and say hi to your Stacey, lol. Mine says hi!
Haha - mine says hi too - yup still doing the podcast - it was fun for me too - I like doing the live shows - good meeting you and we have to do another hangout again
Sometimes I watch your videos just for the bloopers
I'll take it!
Do you know about the painters tape and super glue trick? That is a great alternative to hot glue!
Yup - the tape a fair bit thicker than hot glue alone though
Nice!
Thank you!
Hot glue is genius! I tried double stick tape, all I had on hand was the thick foam tape kind...no bueno! Tons of bowing where there wasn't tape and demolished leading edges. I'm trying hot glue next time. Thanks!
Thanks - just don't use a ton - a little goes a long way
Thank you for a wonderful film.
Do you think that a benchtop planer has an advantage over a stationary planer in making thin veneer?
No, it’s actually at a disadvantage but it’s all I have room and money for currently
@@NickFerry Thank you for your quick reply. I will try your method.
happynewyear nick 👍👍
you as well!!
Timely post, I was planing some very thin walnut strips for a cutting board inlay and I think the risk of sending such thin material unsecured is that I can sort of "flap" and get caught in the blade. This happened to me and it shot out the inside side across the room (after hitting my thigh and leaving a real nice bruise). This was like a 20 inch long by maybe 4 inch piece which was barely a 1/4 of an inch thick at this point and boy did it have some force behind it.
yup - even better reason not to stand behind the planer - this almost eliminates that problem
hi there Nick, just found this video and really love it, like your funny style, i work with acrylic, using all kinds of machines, specifically table saw, and band saw, but i do love that git (correct my word) that you have on your table saw, looks very safe and steady👍, gave me a great idea to make one like that, probably made of acrylic😁👍, il be watching your videos, take care🙏
Much appreciated and I’m glad I could help inspire you in your shop
@@NickFerry absolut👍
Hi Nick! I do it with paper double sided tape.
nice - I haven't had a tone of luck with double sided tape unfortunately
Two things I want to point out, oh wait never mind you covered them.
Now that's funny - best way it's been said yet!
Nice job on the video, I LOVE the bloopers, huge fan of them!
#diynipples just for Stacey.
Lol thanks Troy - I'll have to let her know about the hashtag - too funny
Nice tip Nick. Seems to work really well. Looking forward to seeing what you have in mind for the maple. For the record, I have actually made my own thickness sander and I can post the link for you if you'd like to check out the show and see how it was done.
Thanks Kenbo - yeah post a link - would be cool to see!
Not a problem buddy. Here's the link. ruclips.net/video/C27wevA64Ig/видео.html
That's an awesome build - simple and effective!
Lots of good tips Nick.
Thanks as always buddy!!
New subscriber here. I have watched some of your videos and liked what I saw.
Awesome - glad to have you here!!
What glue did you use to temporarily fasten the wood you want to plane down?
Hot glue
You said the cutter head moves and you gets snipe? (7:18) If you're planer cutter ahead is moving you wouldn't get a consistent thickness. You have a misaligned out feed table. Which is allowing you're Wood board to drop after it leaves the first of two rollers. Google it "planer snipe" I have the exact same thickness planer, I adjusted my out feed table and I eliminated the snipe.
snipe essentially comes from two things - infeed/outfeed & planer head movement (torque) - adjusting the infeed and outfeed beds, extending them, or making a solid pass through bed will cut down on snipe but not eliminate it - if the wood goes through the machine level, as it makes contact with the first (infeed) roller, the planer head lifts/twists slightly and snipes the material until the planer head levels back out by the wood contacting the second (outfeed) roller - it is an unavoidable results of some smaller machines that aren't robust enough to resist the wood and keep the planer head in place - the same happens on the outfeed of the board exiting the machine - it still gives a consistent thickness in the main field of the board when both the first and second rollers are in contact with the work piece
What happens if you don’t hot glue the stock to the sled? Will the airflow do weird things to thinner stock?
The thinner you go, the more prone you are to having the thin material getting sucked into the cutter head - it destroys the piece, is very loud and can damage the planer
I get consistent and fine results without gluing the stock down. Cut a piece MDF or other FLAT wood, a little narrower than the width of the planer bed and long enough to go completely through the machine and to the far end of out feed table. On the in feed table end of the MFD or wood, attach a piece of wood below parallel with the end of the in feed table so that it acts as a stop...so that if you lay the piece down and insert it into the machine, the vertical edge in feed table will stop it from travelling any further. Now just run your stock through the machine. You need to be aware of how short of piece of material your machine can handle. I have a Hitachi and it will thickness pieces as short as 8 inches long.
I've done that in the past but anything thinner then 1/8" has about a 50% chance of getting sucked into the cutting head - or at least on my model - it's not a pretty noise and completely trashes the piece - obviously different models may give different results
Makes sense that it would vary by model. I love my Hitachi P12R. Thanks for the reply
what blade did you use for the bandsaw for the resawing? is this ok to try and make veneer for skateboard decks? also, how would you get cross grain veneer?
I bounce between a restocking blade and a wood slicer in various widths normally I have a three-quarter inch in my bandsaw - not sure what you mean by cross grain veneer but you can do and grain it’s just very difficult to work with and really doesn’t yield any pretty results - if you’re talking about skateboard decks you just want to alternate the grain approximately 90° and you can alter each layer and that gives it strength
Do you think it will work using double sided tape instead of hot glue?
it does at times - depends a lot on how thin of wood and tacky the tape if you can get the piece back off
What kind of hot glue gun and glue are you using?
I think im going to have a sandswich and a heineken.
Nice
Hi Nick, I need to learn about cutting thin wood, for example 3 mm, my goal is to make draws and incrustations. Can you teach me?
Great video! Now where can I buy these paper thin woods?
Hi Nick - great little project, however one thing you did not mention was the need to creep up on the final thickness if you are going below about 1.5mm thickness - take too big a bite and the planer will rip the board off the sled, or take a chunk out of it as the board bucks in the middle, especially on pine and similar softwoods.
yes and no - I have noticed on some woods and with different planers taking a bigger cut can sometimes yield a better finish - I think it varies widely between machines and piece of wood - because I know with birds eye figure smaller cuts pull the eyes out and a deeper cuts seem not to - trial and error for sure though
I just wrote a very similar reply before I saw this. This what happened to me and I now never stand in line with the infeed.
Don't you find the hot glue causes a slight inconsistency in thickness? I imagine you must be trying to press it as thin and flat as possible, but I would think that would at least throw you off a few thousands on those thin veneers. Interesting idea I will explore. I think without gluing it down, it tends to Flap around and get sucked into the blade when it's really thin sometimes on my new DeWalt 735.
Have you tried contact cement? That might work....
Scott Baker that would be thinner, but might be way too difficult to get off, whereas hot glue scrapes off easily.
I really haven't noticed the hot glue lessing with it and the thickness - I also cut the ends off where the snipe is too - CA glue would be thinner yet but a pain to remove if you use too much
How do you get consistants result if you need multiple sets of veneer and they need to be the exact same thickness ? Do a final pass, by changing them on the sled one by one ?
dang, I knew there would be something I would forget to show - when you have done something so much it becomes second nature and I figured I'd leave something out - I typically mark on the planer where the planer head needs to come to and the hand wheel position - the first mark gets you in the ballpark and then knowing exactly what position the hand wheel needs to be in (ex. 6 o'clock) get pretty accurate results - sorry I forgot to include that - great question!!!
Thanks, got it :)
Nice jig and tip Nick! How many takes to get the wood to make the bending saw effect? Haha
Why not save a ton of money and build your own custom drum sander? You know you can do it and so do we!
Second take - first one I accidentally bent it when it made the sound so I did it on purpose the second time - I've considered making one but I want an open ended one and I like the rigidity that the cast iron ones have
Ha! Lmao. The video was superb, as always, but the guffaws were quintessential Nick. Hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.
thanks - your kind of humor Javi as well as mine
What brand is that planer,thanks
All tool links in the article - nickferry.com/2018/01/how-to-plane-thin-wood-veneer-making-ep84/ - it's a rigid
Great Tip video Nick! Are you a Set Builder for theater ? My wife is a Director and Choreographer for musical theater here in the Bay Area. Ever so often she asks me to build a prop or help out striking. Funny bloopers at the end Bro.🤣👍
thanks man - yeah I do some theater work - not as much as I'd like but some - have you ever seen my Shrek Tower video? it's the second video in this article - nickferry.com/2015/03/fixing-styrofoam-brick-why-am-i-here-ft18/
So Cool! Don't let my wife know you build sets cause she'll ask you to fly out , she is always looking for a good set builder. Out here their so unreliable. In one of my videos I make a magical Mary Poppins Chest ruclips.net/video/C-y_nr-O9Sk/видео.html . I found it hard to not only just "slap" something together knowing it is just going to be torn apart.
I agree - hard to sometime leave imperfections even knowing the audience will not see them up close anyway - speaking more about theater, did you ever see my theater cart? ruclips.net/video/vfyLayWU7ic/видео.html - one of my first videos but one of my favorites
Just an awesome idea!! Do you still use it? Hay have you ever seen my video about me making a Chair for Daddy Warbucks in Annie..... Ha! Just joking. Cool Chatting with ya Nick.....
Sometimes the simple things are the best. I must invest in a hot glue gun! Thanks for posting Nick, love your vids!!
thanks David - hopefully you got my response to your message a while back
How long back Nick? PM me.
I'll misinterpret Dave's comment as "The simple things are the best and that is why we like you, Nick."
well, thank you
just PM'ed you - I responded 3 months ago when you sent it - if all else fails, email me through my website
I have no wood working experience, however, could I do this to material that is about .020 of an inch such as ebony or walnut strips; or is there limitation to how thin one can use the planer to? I would like to get away from the process of using an electric sander. thank you
It’s entirely possible - the thinner you go the more difficult it can be to get it that thin - if your setup is solid & the wood grain is fairly straight - you should have a fair chance - i’ve been doing this for years for veneer patches and I have gone extremely thin on certain materials - I have also chewed up a bunch of wood trying - so there’s that
@@NickFerry appreciate your time and help👍
@@themanimal01 My pleasure - you’ll have to let me know what you come up with and how it works for ya ✌🏼
Hey Nick thank you for the video i need one more help. Any idea on how to round the edges of this thin plank without Damaging it?
I’d pick up a small hollow & round plane set - this is pretty thin to put an edge on though - not impossible but not common for any practical reason
@@NickFerry Thank you.
speaking of theaters how is your tool cart holding up
holding up really well - hasn't been in a theater in a while but I'm hoping to change that - been wanting to sell that one to make a second version as well
Do a collab with Wood By Wright! You cannot be too far away; you're both in the Badger Cheese State.
Since when is James in Wisconsin?
I thought he said so, just do not remember which video. In his Carving An Oak Box vid, he wears a Green Bay Packers jacket, maybe I got a bad impression because of that.
Ah - yeah, I thought he was in Illinois - I could be wrong too
I'd use double sided tape the hot glue won't sit level consistently or ever
I doubt you’ve ever used this exact glue gun so I can understand how you’d think that - do what makes you feel comfortable
This really works? Every time I've tried to plane thin, the planer crushes and chews up the workpiece. This is just planing directly, though, not using a sled. That must be the difference.
Give it a try - I've had really good results from it over the years
how to make skatebords?
For sure
Thanks Nick for sharing.
I'm looking for a planer in my small shop. What brand and model planer would you recommend I look at? Thanks for your help.
I've have zero complaints about mine
Nick Ferry Thank you Nick. What type of Planer are you using. Thank you for your help.
Some good tips in this video, and I'm not talking about the nipples! [pro tip, use duct tape if you want to hide them]
But seriously, I've been wanting to make a planer sled for something like this and I've learnt a couple things here, thanks.
cool to hear Greg - duct tape sounds painful - like some sadistic form of waxing, lol
Good video and well done, but why is the hot glue needed?
Thanks - when the wood gets so thin the planer wants to pull it into the knives so the glue keeps it secured down
Thank you for responding, as I was going to try it without the glue, you changed my mind quickly! Very much appreciated.
no problem - glad I could help!
Why use hot glue under the work use it on the sides and then cut it free with a knife. Will not damage the work.
Nipples ?
A bit Nipply in your shop Nick?!?! lol
A tid bit