*Summary* *Science Under Attack (**00:01:50**)* * 00:02:37 - A new article in the journal *Virology* discusses how promoting the lab leak theory without evidence is harming scientific research and pandemic preparedness. * 00:06:51 - Unsubstantiated claims have led to harassment, intimidation, threats, and violence toward scientists researching the origins of SARS-CoV-2. * 00:07:48 - This is pushing scientists away from critical research on emerging viruses and pandemic science. * 00:10:54 - The public should understand that the lab leak theory is an attack on the foundation of scientific knowledge. *RSV Vaccine Updates (**00:13:07**)* * 00:13:40 - The CDC now recommends a single dose of any FDA-approved RSV vaccine for all adults 75 and older, and for adults 60-74 with risk factors for severe RSV disease. * 00:15:15 - This updated recommendation follows reports of a small but concerning number of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) cases potentially associated with two protein-based RSV vaccines (GSK’s Arexvy & Pfizer’s Abrysvo). * 00:15:29 - Moderna’s mRNA RSV vaccine (mRNA-1345) showed no signs of GBS or other neurological events. * 00:14:49 - Individuals who received an RSV vaccine in the previous season should not get another dose this year. *Concerning COVID Trends (**00:20:46**)* * 00:20:55 - COVID-related deaths are on the rise, particularly among elderly individuals. * 00:21:20 - Hospitalizations and deaths are increasing, though presenting less severely compared to earlier waves. * 00:23:09 - Wastewater surveillance shows a significant surge in viral levels, reaching similar levels as last winter's surge in many regions. *COVID Precautions (**00:23:45**)* * 00:23:48 - Vaccination remains critical, with updated formulations expected later this month. * 00:24:26 - Early treatment with Paxlovid significantly reduces the risk of progression to severe disease and death. * 00:24:34 - Remdesivir and other treatments are also available for appropriate cases. * 00:24:01 - Patients with high-risk factors should consider the prophylactic monoclonal antibody, Evusheld, to prevent infection. * 00:24:44 - Following isolation guidance is essential, despite inconvenience. *Long COVID Defined (**00:25:14**)* * 00:26:56 - A new definition for long COVID, published in the *New England Journal of Medicine*, focuses on it as an infection-associated chronic condition lasting for at least 3 months, affecting one or more organ systems. * 00:28:10 - The definition clarifies long COVID's impact and should facilitate research into treatments and support for patients. * 00:27:26 - Importantly, long COVID is not just associated with suffering; it can progress to a life-threatening disease. *Other Notes (**00:34:45**)* * 00:34:49 - Lenacapavir, a long-acting injectable antiviral for HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) administered twice a year, showed incredible efficacy in a recent study. No participants who received the medication contracted HIV. * 00:36:37 - Questions remain regarding availability of Novavax’s updated COVID-19 vaccine due to vial size and potential distribution challenges experienced in the past. * 00:39:19 - Research is ongoing regarding the potential use of Metformin to decrease COVID-19 viral loads and long COVID risk, but it's too early to draw any firm conclusions about its effectiveness or any synergistic benefits with Paxlovid. *Overall Message (**00:29:48**):* COVID remains a serious health threat and the public should stay informed, vigilant, and participate in efforts to mitigate its spread and protect themselves and their communities. i used gemini 1.5 pro to summarize the transcript
_RUclips timestamps by Les_ 00:37 Bow Tie Parasites without borders logo 01:29 Quotation (from the first article) 02:39 The harms of promoting the lab leak hypothesis for SARS-CoV-2 origins without evidence (Virology) journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.01240-24 Paul Offit rebuttal to NYTimes opinion piece ruclips.net/video/Ukv9H6iAn7A/видео.html in print: pauloffit.substack.com/p/lab-leak-mania 13:05 *RSV* recent ACIP recommendations for the RSV vaccine for those individuals over 60 RSV vaccine recommendations August 6 2024 (MMWR) 20:45 COVID-19 national trend (CDC) COVID-19 deaths (CDC) *Preventing serious disease and spread* 23:45 upcoming vaccine with different variants 23:53 Where to get Pemgarda (Pemgarda) CDC Quarantine guidelines (CDC) 24:11 Early phase of SARs-CoV-2 infection (COVID.gov) NIH COVID-19 treatment guidelines (NIH) Infectious Disease Society guidelines for treatment and management (ID Society) Drug interaction checker (University of Liverpool) Molnupiravir safety and efficacy (JMV) Convalescent plasma recommendation for immunocompromised (ID Society) Managing healthcare staffing shortages (CDC) *Week 2* Steroids,dexamethasone at the right time (OFID) Anticoagulation guidelines (hematology.org) 25:11 *Long CoViD* Long COVID defined (NEJM) 29:45 Contribute to our Floating Doctors fundraiser 26:39 *Dr D answers your Qs* see microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1138-letters/ 34:42 Charles see Lenacapavir on Puscast #60 Twice-Yearly Lenacapavir or Daily F/TAF for HIV Prevention in Cisgender Women (NEJM) www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2407001 36:34 Ellen 39:13 Andrew 42:11 Scott Dr. Griffin’s COVID treatment summary (pdf) 29:46 How to donate _Audio podcast timestamps by Jolene_
It's tragic that the 'Science Media Centre' in the UK already undermined the Virology article, by using exactly the same language against the patient bodies' objections to the bad 'biopsychosocial research' claiming psychological causes for every poorly understood physical disease. :( :( :(
At 83 years old and diabetic and asthmatic I have decided to semi-isolate. I don't socialize right now and I mask with an N95 mask when going shopping once weekly. It's a drag! It's boring! But I'm totally vaccinated and waiting for the new vaccine to come out. I hope it helps me survive another year.
I've been semi isolating as well. I have groceries delivered and go out with my son at off hours hours when shops and restaurants are mostly empty. If we arrive and a place is crowded, we go elsewhere. I use the phone, and internet to keep in contact with others. I do have a neighbor who is recovering from cancer and in the same , we get together in person. Wishing you all the best, Katie ❤
Olympics: I'm deeply shocked that 2 medal winners competed while infected. Both ignorant of the harm they were likely doing themselves and the risk they were putting others under, especially recognising that they would have been infectious for 2 days before symptoms. I'm disgusted that the Olympic organisers have not imposed mandated testing before events especially since a surge in France is well known (& now 40 members of the Australian team have proven to be infected). Commenting on X I'm shocked at the level of ignorance being expressed (assuming vax prevents infection is a particular theme).
@@WillNewcomb agree 💯, the USA gold medal swimmer won on day 2of infection w sars, then hugged everyone.. most are unaware of any COVID, lack of transparency in the media, 😥❤️
thanks guys for your time. Thanks for cuttin through the B.S.! Obviously sailing went well for Dr Griffin,, didn't drown last week :) O.K. I can goto sleep now I got me some clinical update! Wish this got 50 million views!
Really appreciate the quality of information here. You are the best source for this non-medical professional . I echo the nurse’s story of the difficulty of finding Paxlovid; in our recent Covid cases it took another 24 hours and three drug stores to fill the prescriptions. Not at all a good situation when I tested positive on day 5 of symptoms. And this is in metro area of Minneapolis!
Still the best science based information for viral infections with a twist of reality. Wish you could get more savvy with promoting the channel. Sad so few people get to hear this information.
FYI When I went for my yearly free medicare physical in early June, the doctor discouraged the covid booster but I insisted. Glad I did. Your podcast helps me in being informed and confident to direct my own care regarding covid.
Everyday I check the China CDC for latest news of Covid. Yesterday we got the first article since April! Incidence as reported in hospitals was up 2x since June. The variants were JN.1 and XDV. No general news here, only when I searched.
Considering all the problems in China with the economy, social unrest, climate change causing dams failing wipping out crops and industrial areas and secondary sanctions due to supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine it's no surprise Covid-19 has dropped off the news.
There’s a great deal of pushback in the states on prescribing paxlovid, also, for people recently infected with Covid who have risk factors. It’s interesting. The president of the United States has no problem getting paxlovid
It took me 5 hrs to find a Dr, get labs and rads done(124.10 euros). But I did get paxlovid in Lithuania last week and it was free. @@christopherrobinson7541
I got the corona virus about 5 weeks ago. My symptoms started on Monday , I was on Paxlovid on Wednesday. I had bronchitis symptoms after day 6 and it finally went away at week 4 . I had the vaccine less than 6 months.
Paxlovid is really hard to get for a lot of people the price alone is alarming. I know a person that has unlimited access to it and always has backup. They take it as a preventative measure before going on trips is this safe to take it as a preventative measure?
Thank you for your show, doctors. Covid is running rampant in rural north central Texas. We all have it and people are just walking around town and coming in for their weekly wound care visits at my clinic with no mask. Just hacking and coughing. “Yeah, I’m pretty sure I have a fever.” 😮 And it’s not the kind of population who’s gonna put a mask on without a fit. Lord help us. I love rural healthcare and these are salt of the earth people but are lacking correct information.
I think the problem is that people are mistrusting corporate money creeping in and influencing science. Thusly, people are misrusting medicine (a science based profession) more. Patients/public in general are questioning. What is driving research? What science that is not economically viable to larger influential systems, but that may be helpful for the general public is being ignored? I love science, and logic, and critical thinking. But.. Re. Lab leak opinion.. (yes, its an opinion): I am not sure what to think.. I keep going back and forth. Lastly, I want to state that I enjoy your podcast.
Thank you so much for the pointer to lenacapavir. Quite honestly, I'm not that worried about covid. I still don't personally know anyone who's died from it and I'm not in a cohort that's at high risk. HIV is another matter. I came of age in the 80s and saw people I love die horribly. PREP has been an awesome step forward but this lenacapavir study, if it pans out, could mean victory. Thank you for what you do and for being cool guys.
Dr G was passionately and correctly requesting physicians - MD and DO - to study and be pillars of science and the community, to be the leaders - promoting the safest, most scientific, physician-led care - then a few sentences later fell right back into “providers” - disappointing.
I'm taking low dose metformin already and have not caught Covid since 2020 when I developed Long Covid. I will admit I do spend most of my time at home, avoid crowds, and never miss an opportunity to vaccinate, as well. In fact, I have had only one cold in the past four years. I wonder if I have hit on a formula to avoiding reinfection?
"Are we really haveing any benefit putting them on ventillators and keeping them from their family for a month in i.c.u?" No. You did not benefit anybody with this practice.
@@toms7695 we made a mistake by ventilating severe cases, AND combining w massive benzos, dark rooms, + no PT to keep blood supply up, an anthropologist admitted this to me 🙏❤️
@Sceince01 hey its you again ! Yes I stand by my statement, ventilators were used inappropriately on tens of thousands of seniors that had "tested positive". There is a reason that the thousands of ventilators that were purchased by governments are now being scrapped. They didn't need to be isolated, neglected, and put onto mechanical breathing machines. The tubes from the intubation cause plenty of harm and I'm sure that many people suffered dearly.
@@toms7695 lol. Ha ha ha. When you are dumb that you don’t even have the first clue about what you are saying . You are funny . How much do you know about ventilators ? A patient is put on ventilator when everything else has failed . In the very beginning we put patients on as we did for other respiratory issues but it was discovered very early ( from Italy and very early in NYC ) that we could delay it a bit . But that did not mean ventilators caused the deaths . Ventilator is considered when all else is failing . There is a good video on debunk the funk on this . Watch it so you don’t sound so silly in your next post
You guys are just quoting each other and referencing your own studies. You've all fallen into a tightly knit spinning record, refusing any opposing evidence or information on ANY subject you disagree with.
@@toms7695 well you lie a lot. Also do you wish they should quote the ignorant clowns like yourself or those obviously lying where their lies are verifiable ?
I thought so too and in the video. Maybe he has lost weight. Everyone says "lose weight to be healthy" but doing so can add 20yrs to your apparent age.
*Summary*
*Science Under Attack (**00:01:50**)*
* 00:02:37 - A new article in the journal *Virology* discusses how promoting the lab leak theory without evidence is harming scientific research and pandemic preparedness.
* 00:06:51 - Unsubstantiated claims have led to harassment, intimidation, threats, and violence toward scientists researching the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
* 00:07:48 - This is pushing scientists away from critical research on emerging viruses and pandemic science.
* 00:10:54 - The public should understand that the lab leak theory is an attack on the foundation of scientific knowledge.
*RSV Vaccine Updates (**00:13:07**)*
* 00:13:40 - The CDC now recommends a single dose of any FDA-approved RSV vaccine for all adults 75 and older, and for adults 60-74 with risk factors for severe RSV disease.
* 00:15:15 - This updated recommendation follows reports of a small but concerning number of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) cases potentially associated with two protein-based RSV vaccines (GSK’s Arexvy & Pfizer’s Abrysvo).
* 00:15:29 - Moderna’s mRNA RSV vaccine (mRNA-1345) showed no signs of GBS or other neurological events.
* 00:14:49 - Individuals who received an RSV vaccine in the previous season should not get another dose this year.
*Concerning COVID Trends (**00:20:46**)*
* 00:20:55 - COVID-related deaths are on the rise, particularly among elderly individuals.
* 00:21:20 - Hospitalizations and deaths are increasing, though presenting less severely compared to earlier waves.
* 00:23:09 - Wastewater surveillance shows a significant surge in viral levels, reaching similar levels as last winter's surge in many regions.
*COVID Precautions (**00:23:45**)*
* 00:23:48 - Vaccination remains critical, with updated formulations expected later this month.
* 00:24:26 - Early treatment with Paxlovid significantly reduces the risk of progression to severe disease and death.
* 00:24:34 - Remdesivir and other treatments are also available for appropriate cases.
* 00:24:01 - Patients with high-risk factors should consider the prophylactic monoclonal antibody, Evusheld, to prevent infection.
* 00:24:44 - Following isolation guidance is essential, despite inconvenience.
*Long COVID Defined (**00:25:14**)*
* 00:26:56 - A new definition for long COVID, published in the *New England Journal of Medicine*, focuses on it as an infection-associated chronic condition lasting for at least 3 months, affecting one or more organ systems.
* 00:28:10 - The definition clarifies long COVID's impact and should facilitate research into treatments and support for patients.
* 00:27:26 - Importantly, long COVID is not just associated with suffering; it can progress to a life-threatening disease.
*Other Notes (**00:34:45**)*
* 00:34:49 - Lenacapavir, a long-acting injectable antiviral for HIV pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) administered twice a year, showed incredible efficacy in a recent study. No participants who received the medication contracted HIV.
* 00:36:37 - Questions remain regarding availability of Novavax’s updated COVID-19 vaccine due to vial size and potential distribution challenges experienced in the past.
* 00:39:19 - Research is ongoing regarding the potential use of Metformin to decrease COVID-19 viral loads and long COVID risk, but it's too early to draw any firm conclusions about its effectiveness or any synergistic benefits with Paxlovid.
*Overall Message (**00:29:48**):*
COVID remains a serious health threat and the public should stay informed, vigilant, and participate in efforts to mitigate its spread and protect themselves and their communities.
i used gemini 1.5 pro to summarize the transcript
_RUclips timestamps by Les_
00:37 Bow Tie Parasites without borders logo
01:29 Quotation (from the first article)
02:39 The harms of promoting the lab leak hypothesis for SARS-CoV-2 origins without evidence
(Virology)
journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.01240-24
Paul Offit rebuttal to NYTimes opinion piece
ruclips.net/video/Ukv9H6iAn7A/видео.html
in print: pauloffit.substack.com/p/lab-leak-mania
13:05 *RSV*
recent ACIP recommendations for the RSV vaccine for those individuals over 60
RSV vaccine recommendations August 6 2024 (MMWR)
20:45 COVID-19 national trend (CDC)
COVID-19 deaths (CDC)
*Preventing serious disease and spread*
23:45 upcoming vaccine with different variants
23:53 Where to get Pemgarda (Pemgarda)
CDC Quarantine guidelines (CDC)
24:11 Early phase of SARs-CoV-2 infection (COVID.gov)
NIH COVID-19 treatment guidelines (NIH)
Infectious Disease Society guidelines for treatment and management (ID Society)
Drug interaction checker (University of Liverpool)
Molnupiravir safety and efficacy (JMV)
Convalescent plasma recommendation for immunocompromised (ID Society)
Managing healthcare staffing shortages (CDC)
*Week 2*
Steroids,dexamethasone at the right time (OFID)
Anticoagulation guidelines (hematology.org)
25:11 *Long CoViD*
Long COVID defined (NEJM)
29:45 Contribute to our Floating Doctors fundraiser
26:39 *Dr D answers your Qs*
see microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1138-letters/
34:42 Charles
see Lenacapavir on Puscast #60
Twice-Yearly Lenacapavir or Daily F/TAF for HIV Prevention
in Cisgender Women (NEJM)
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2407001
36:34 Ellen
39:13 Andrew
42:11 Scott
Dr. Griffin’s COVID treatment summary (pdf)
29:46 How to donate
_Audio podcast timestamps by Jolene_
Thanks for doing this!
It's tragic that the 'Science Media Centre' in the UK already undermined the Virology article, by using exactly the same language against the patient bodies' objections to the bad 'biopsychosocial research' claiming psychological causes for every poorly understood physical disease. :( :( :(
At 83 years old and diabetic and asthmatic I have decided to semi-isolate. I don't socialize right now and I mask with an N95 mask when going shopping once weekly. It's a drag! It's boring! But I'm totally vaccinated and waiting for the new vaccine to come out. I hope it helps me survive another year.
🙏🙏🙏
Best wishes for another year and more to follow, and I hope you find joy in every day you're given 🫶
🫡💝💪🏼🙏🏼
I've been semi isolating as well. I have groceries delivered and go out with my son at off hours hours when shops and restaurants are mostly empty. If we arrive and a place is crowded, we go elsewhere. I use the phone, and internet to keep in contact with others. I do have a neighbor who is recovering from cancer and in the same , we get together in person. Wishing you all the best, Katie ❤
@@katiehettinger7857 Sounds like my life at this time. I garden on my balcony, read alot and am embroidering another throw pillow.
Olympics: I'm deeply shocked that 2 medal winners competed while infected. Both ignorant of the harm they were likely doing themselves and the risk they were putting others under, especially recognising that they would have been infectious for 2 days before symptoms.
I'm disgusted that the Olympic organisers have not imposed mandated testing before events especially since a surge in France is well known (& now 40 members of the Australian team have proven to be infected).
Commenting on X I'm shocked at the level of ignorance being expressed (assuming vax prevents infection is a particular theme).
Whoa....
@@WillNewcomb Twitter's a firehose of crazy, Will. Don't let it hook you in.
@@WillNewcomb agree 💯, the USA gold medal swimmer won on day 2of infection w sars, then hugged everyone.. most are unaware of any COVID, lack of transparency in the media, 😥❤️
Thank you gentlemen, your broadcasts are always very much appreciated. So sad about the harms being done to science, it's depressing.
thanks guys for your time. Thanks for cuttin through the B.S.! Obviously sailing went well for Dr Griffin,, didn't drown last week :) O.K. I can goto sleep now I got me some clinical update! Wish this got 50 million views!
Really appreciate the quality of information here. You are the best source for this non-medical professional . I echo the nurse’s story of the difficulty of finding Paxlovid; in our recent Covid cases it took another 24 hours and three drug stores to fill the prescriptions. Not at all a good situation when I tested positive on day 5 of symptoms. And this is in metro area of Minneapolis!
Thx for keeping it real...both Drs.Vincent and Daniel....
Still the best science based information for viral infections with a twist of reality.
Wish you could get more savvy with promoting the channel. Sad so few people get to hear this information.
500 years ago it was this same ignorance that was levied on Tyco Brahe. Ignorance is a deep and dark pool.
FYI When I went for my yearly free medicare physical in early June, the doctor discouraged the covid booster but I insisted. Glad I did. Your podcast helps me in being informed and confident to direct my own care regarding covid.
Everyday I check the China CDC for latest news of Covid. Yesterday we got the first article since April! Incidence as reported in hospitals was up 2x since June. The variants were JN.1 and XDV. No general news here, only when I searched.
Considering all the problems in China with the economy, social unrest, climate change causing dams failing wipping out crops and industrial areas and secondary sanctions due to supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine it's no surprise Covid-19 has dropped off the news.
I don’t get it why Paxlovid is virtually not accessible in Europe.
Metformin Poor Man's paxlovid. Definitely one of those things people will happily give you if they have extra.
Cost.
There’s a great deal of pushback in the states on prescribing paxlovid, also, for people recently infected with Covid who have risk factors.
It’s interesting. The president of the United States has no problem getting paxlovid
It took me 5 hrs to find a Dr, get labs and rads done(124.10 euros). But I did get paxlovid in Lithuania last week and it was free. @@christopherrobinson7541
It's very politicized in the U.S.
Has Dr Dan lost a lot of weight lately? Hope you’re ok 👌
A Perfect Bowtie 🪱🪱🪱
I got the corona virus about 5 weeks ago. My symptoms started on Monday , I was on Paxlovid on Wednesday. I had bronchitis symptoms after day 6 and it finally went away at week 4 . I had the vaccine less than 6 months.
Glad you recovered without having to go 8nto the hospital, Hope there are no lingering symptoms. 😉👍
Paxlovid is really hard to get for a lot of people the price alone is alarming. I know a person that has unlimited access to it and always has backup. They take it as a preventative measure before going on trips is this safe to take it as a preventative measure?
The CDC has issued guidance on the Novavax covid vaccine. Only for those who can't or won't take a MRNA.
I did my part I got two doses of the moderna rsv in a trial age 55 no side effects at all . That was the only way I could jump ahead in that line.
Is that Moderna rsv for the latest emerging variants, or to treat older Covid variants already out there?
@@immortaltyger1569 moderna RSV. Paid pretty well too.
Thank you for your show, doctors.
Covid is running rampant in rural north central Texas. We all have it and people are just walking around town and coming in for their weekly wound care visits at my clinic with no mask. Just hacking and coughing. “Yeah, I’m pretty sure I have a fever.” 😮
And it’s not the kind of population who’s gonna put a mask on without a fit. Lord help us. I love rural healthcare and these are salt of the earth people but are lacking correct information.
So many stories of patients not being able to get the IDSA recommended Rx! We have to start doing something about this. What can be done?
Call your government representatives and advicate for stupport.
That part, "that aware of" uneasiness me. Isn't any way to catch all these studies?
Thanks!
I think the problem is that people are mistrusting corporate money creeping in and influencing science. Thusly, people are misrusting medicine (a science based profession) more. Patients/public in general are questioning. What is driving research? What science that is not economically viable to larger influential systems, but that may be helpful for the general public is being ignored?
I love science, and logic, and critical thinking.
But..
Re. Lab leak opinion.. (yes, its an opinion):
I am not sure what to think.. I keep going back and forth.
Lastly, I want to state that I enjoy your podcast.
What you are saying is true. Others are in love with the idea that they possess secret knowledge like all people who embrace conspiracy theories. 🤦♀️
Then watch the podcast by these same guys about the lab leak idea.
Thank you so much for the pointer to lenacapavir. Quite honestly, I'm not that worried about covid. I still don't personally know anyone who's died from it and I'm not in a cohort that's at high risk.
HIV is another matter. I came of age in the 80s and saw people I love die horribly. PREP has been an awesome step forward but this lenacapavir study, if it pans out, could mean victory.
Thank you for what you do and for being cool guys.
Dr G was passionately and correctly requesting physicians - MD and DO - to study and be pillars of science and the community, to be the leaders - promoting the safest, most scientific, physician-led care - then a few sentences later fell right back into “providers” - disappointing.
I'm taking low dose metformin already and have not caught Covid since 2020 when I developed Long Covid. I will admit I do spend most of my time at home, avoid crowds, and never miss an opportunity to vaccinate, as well. In fact, I have had only one cold in the past four years. I wonder if I have hit on a formula to avoiding reinfection?
Metformin can decrease also thyroid function.
The problem came from the lab, and so did the solution. Omicron was a LAV...
Just based on some nonsense heard from liars without evidence ?
"Are we really haveing any benefit putting them on ventillators and keeping them from their family for a month in i.c.u?"
No. You did not benefit anybody with this practice.
Based on? So you are wishing those saved after ventilators were not saved ?
Question - what kinda people tased you ?
@@toms7695 we made a mistake by ventilating severe cases, AND combining w massive benzos, dark rooms, + no PT to keep blood supply up, an anthropologist admitted this to me 🙏❤️
@Sceince01 hey its you again ! Yes I stand by my statement, ventilators were used inappropriately on tens of thousands of seniors that had "tested positive". There is a reason that the thousands of ventilators that were purchased by governments are now being scrapped. They didn't need to be isolated, neglected, and put onto mechanical breathing machines. The tubes from the intubation cause plenty of harm and I'm sure that many people suffered dearly.
@@toms7695 lol. Ha ha ha. When you are dumb that you don’t even have the first clue about what you are saying .
You are funny . How much do you know about ventilators ? A patient is put on ventilator when everything else has failed . In the very beginning we put patients on as we did for other respiratory issues but it was discovered very early ( from Italy and very early in NYC ) that we could delay it a bit . But that did not mean ventilators caused the deaths . Ventilator is considered when all else is failing . There is a good video on debunk the funk on this . Watch it so you don’t sound so silly in your next post
Dr Griffin is loosing weight🤔
Thank you for the update.
You guys are just quoting each other and referencing your own studies. You've all fallen into a tightly knit spinning record, refusing any opposing evidence or information on ANY subject you disagree with.
@@toms7695 well you lie a lot. Also do you wish they should quote the ignorant clowns like yourself or those obviously lying where their lies are verifiable ?
,,E pur si muove,,
Galileo Galilei
My goodness, Dr Griffin looks very gaunt in that thumbnail. Is he doing okay
I thought so too and in the video. Maybe he has lost weight. Everyone says "lose weight to be healthy" but doing so can add 20yrs to your apparent age.