Why I won't sell pre-owned electric vehicles | Newstalk
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2024
- 'I don't have 20 grand in a car to take that risk!' 🚗
Nadia Adan of Ashford Motors on why she is no longer selling second hand electric vehicles.
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What ever the government tells you to do ignore them and do the opposite and you won't go far wrong.
@@pato10111 go get your 10th booster, you clown.
Bingo!
You mean do the opposite when Uncle Sam tells me I can take 7.5K off the price on him and NJ says take ANOTHER 4K off on them…plus no sales tax?
@@Skyking6976 Your own money back . Well done genius .
@@chasleask8533 Thanks Chase☺️
1st person I've heard talking honestly about EV's. Thank you.
That wasn't honest - she referred to EV's as Green - while they're not. They just move hydrocarbons from one place to another. Along with CBDC'S they're a Globalist weapon to remove the choice of movement and to monitor every cent we spend
Complete rubbish. Not honest at all.
@@andytunnicliffe7223 how is it rubbish ? Please explain. Thanks
@@ALCAPONE5655 there may have been problems with the batteries on the early Teslas and Nissan Leafs, but this isn’t a problem now. Batteries will outlive the rest of the car. The whole discussion is just the usual fear mongering.
@andytunnicliffe7223 if that's true, then change the battery to lifetime warranty
Honest assessment from a business owner. Typical government reaction will probably be to regulate and force the small business owner to take them. Further destruction of the SME sector, fewer businesses to have to deal with.
More likely, the EU will regulate that companies have to replace batteries at a reasonable cost.
Batteries aren’t actually so expensive that €20k is a reasonable charge, but because the number of cars a company can produce is currently limited by how many batteries are available, they really don’t want to put any in older cars at the cost of producing and selling new vehicles
They are already forcing car dealers to take them, this is another reason they are not taking on used EVs because they are being forceably incentivised to sell new ones so they take priority.
What's the problem at the moment with selling used EVs in your opinion?
How are the gov forcing car dealers to take them????@@rodpanhard
@@Israelipropaganda They are being financially incentivised to sell new EVs and penalised if they don't under ESG policies. This is why dealers focus on selling new EVs and are not interested in selling used ones. It explains all this in the video.
Nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with control, no electricity no movement
EXACTLY
You can say exactly the same with diesel or petrol?
Petrol doesnt grow in the backyard either.
the only conspiracy is the investment shift. green energy was about shifting investment from fossil fuel a staple of hedge funds to the new guard, like Musk.
what a dumb comment.
It's like buying a car with a shrinking fuel tank.
…that then costs £40k to replace 😂 🤡 🌍
@@firstnamed150140k bit of a stretch there
@@ANJIN79SAMMA nope. One example- Porsche Taycan £40k plus labour so somewhere between £45-50k
Excellent analogy!
@@firstnamed1501Except there is no need to replace it.
EV manufacturers and dealers are targeting women, young and old, because their an easy sell. They don't realize the true dangers of Lithium batteries to them and their families plus the long run cost of operation is outrageous.
Absolute rubbish, how do you even substantiate such an inflammatory remark?
What a captivating young woman.Well spoken and classy.
The Cat is well and truly out of the bag
don't trust government, trust this youtube channel! 😂
@@joparkcat yeah - indeed. :)
Every channel that sings praises of EV's usually has another combustion engine vehicle in the driveway or in the garage. That just shows you these are toys for tech bros, anyone who has to travel for a living on a daily basis is using a internal combustion engine vehicle.
@@BillClinton228 not every person, though. We do have a second car that is not an EV but will be replaced with one when it is replaced. We keep our cars until they need replacing.
Strange how my ice vehicle is 25 years old and works fine
Same with my 1977 Ford LTD.
My 2011 Elantra was sold for 1000$ in 2018 because of the multitude of problems not worth repairing... depends on the brand and mileage for ice and for ev.
Works fine after a complete rebuild 🤣
@@JonathanRootD but it's very much cheaper to rebuild an engine than replace a battery pack, and those batteries are not really recyclable whereas any metal used to rebuild an ice engine is easily recycled.
@@JonathanRootD which is way cheaper than a battery change
I was a car dealer for years selling 100 of cars a month and today I wouldn’t take one in used.
Even part exchange to move on at auction?
Anyone see the video of Dublin bus using a diesel generator to recharge an electric bus?That's the benefits of EV,s, businesses that sell generators also gain.
I put that video in a family what's app group and the went crackers 😁..too many people believe the propaganda
One bus get charged like that and you think that is an everyday practice. You are not the sharpest tool in the shed ..aren't you.
@@bossman6174 you sure it's just one?
No idea why you'd want to charge any EV using a generator.. most bus companies now have EV chargers installed that can rapid charge vehicles much faster than any generator..
That’s probably more efficient than using diesel to drive the bus directly, it’s why trains and ships do exactly that
I spoke to a guy, spent £120K on an EV Porsche Taycan 3 years ago. Tried to trade in for a 911 petrol but Porsche won't take it back. Now being quoted £40K trade in by We Buy Any Car. Lost £80K in 3 years. Replacement battery is also £40K and £5K labour.
But the price of diesel has gone up 10 p 🤣
I have a diesel car and intend to keep it the next 10 years.
Citroën C3, 2006 with particle filters, air conditioning, €2500 price tag.
Time consumption when refueling: Max 2 minutes. Beat that, Elon !
Rubbish. A Taycan isn't work 40k. They've depreciated hard because people don't want them second hand.
*I suspect it might be the MacMaster ?*
@@jakeforrest Well done Jake. You're keeping your old Citreon but I'm not sure how it's relevant to this conversation, except maybe that you can't/don't want to buy a new car at the moment.
@3:50 "I have two kilometers by the time I get back home but if I charge my phone or put the heater on he has to charge it for an hour". It seems like a false equivalence to describe a 5 watt phone charger and a 1 to 2 kilowatt heater in the same context as equally capable of draining a car battery.
Surely thats nonsense - charge for an hour, how far is he from work 8k, an hours charge gives about 20k - surely you charge the car to full each night, I'm sure he wouldn't go the fuel station and put £3.48 in every day
Thanks to the lady for an honest appraisal of EVs. Personally I have no sympathy for anyone who bought an EV, a few minutes research would reveal the problems. I noticed the problem of thermal runaway wasn’t touched on.
@@pato10111 it's nothing to do with issues. Secondhand EVs can't be sold. Whatever the reason, the public don't want them. Garages would take them in if they could sell them
@@pato10111Lol. Garages don't want to sell them to the very few customers they have because they know they will fall in value so much that customers will be unhappy. Factories don't want to make them because they have fields full of unsold ones. Chinese manufacturers are going out of business daily. You clearly don't know what's happening, I unfortunately am stuck trying to sell things that people don't want
@@EugeneFromDublin I’ll circle back to the point that Tesla bears some responsibility for the current situation. While I can purchase a new Model Y for €44,000, it’s hard to justify opting for a secondhand EV at the moment. Unfortunately, misinformation from certain media outlets has led the general public astray, perpetuating myths that EVs don’t work. However, the reality is more nuanced.
Factories are indeed adjusting production due to decreased demand for EVs. Rather than blaming the cars themselves, we should recognize that market dynamics play a significant role. Last year, many people purchased EVs at their peak prices, only to face financial setbacks. But consider this: if I were to trade in my current EV today, I’d likely receive a lowball offer. However, the silver lining is that new EVs now cost significantly less than they did midway through last year.
Interestingly, this market correction primarily affects premium EV manufacturers. Their exorbitant pricing led to a reality check when Tesla disrupted the market. As a Polestar owner, I understand the situation. My car’s current value may be minimal, but the opportunity to buy a new one at a 10k discount balances the equation. Why would I buy a secondhand EV from Nadia in this scenario?
Despite the noise surrounding exploding batteries, exaggerated charging limitations, and made up maintenance costs, informed consumers recognise the value of EVs. In reality, most daily drivers don’t require more than 350 km of range. It’s time to move beyond fossil fuels, embrace sustainability, and acknowledge that EVs are simply vehicles-part of the manufacturers’ strategic shift toward future technologies. They are in no way perfect for everyone but a lot of people bought them between 21 and 23 and the only negative feedback I am hearing from customers is that they have dropped in value. Otherwise, they work very well for most people.
@@pato10111 Hyundai have been changing the batteries in the Konas in many cases not informing the owners. There are a lot more issues with EVs that are hushed up. This said I think tool for the job, if you are going into a city they are great, but useless on a motorway if you need range. I find it interesting that VW were slated, accused of misleading the public with economy figures, but EV manufacturers tell blatent lies about range and this is perfectly acceptable.
@@pato10111 And yet I get every single day people offering me EVs because they are switching back to diesel. And I can't buy them, no garage will take them in because they can't sell them. It's not that we are anti EVs, we are anti anything we can't sell. I'm marked down cars 5k and 6k under cost and still they won't sell
This was known years ago but no body reported on them.
Not enough infrastructure
Battery health risky
If battery ruptures it will engulf itself and cars around it.
The cold weather diminishs charge
And they use alot of coal in production and lithuim production is harsh
Congratulations. All points rubbish
A lot of coal to charge them in many countries too!
I see you get your education from TikTok.
Geothermal lithium extraction is a zero-carbon activity. Get up to speed.
How much does the oil industry pay for all this bs? Russia, Saudi Arabia and other states that are completely dependent in this income - have all the reasons in the world to spread lies.
We were called climate deniers for the last 5 years stating these obvious facts... Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Would a referendum on common sense be in our best interests? 😅
Oil is still finite and millions of people will be caught off guard when it peaks. They will also learn that it props up "renewables."
Peak oil was ment to happen in the 70s aimed at increasing price. There is an abundance of oil. Carbon is not a problem to the climate, it is plant food. The so called climate crisis is a scam aimed at increasing taxation and control over the population. Pollution on the other hand is a real issue that is not getting addressed. Hope your eyes people.
@@DefundTheFringes We have only had 30 years of oil left for the last 60 years. Do you work for Big Electric??
@@JetFire9where does that data come from. Does not sound correct.
If the Brexit referendum is anything to go by, that sounds like a really bad idea. There's too much misinformation out there about climate change, just like there was about the EU. Nobody thinks the UK economy is better now after the British people had their say.. it's a shyteshow of our own making.
I completely understand auto dealers having issues with EVs. There are many issues with batteries. For example, it matters a lot how the previous owner charged the battery. If it was constantly being "fast charged" it greatly degrades the battery. The same if the owner constantly topped off the battery to 100% or if they often ran the battery down to nearly or below zero. You have no way of knowing if you buy it second hand. Lithium batteries degrade even while being stored. They are degraded also by extreme temperatures as well as environmental concerns such as salty air along the coastlines that cause corrosion.
Dealers should have the tools to check battery health before buying an EV to sell. It's not rocket science, but dealers need more training to adapt. Problem is the government have a totally incoherent plan at the moment and are not helping because they don't care about small businesses.
Wrong, you plug a diagnostic laptop in and it will tell you the exact battery cell health capacity etc and how many fast charges! Hybrids are nonsense!!
How to know which cell is below nominal voltage? Can a single cell in the pack be replaced?
@stickleback73 I've seen many Toyota Prius over 20 years on the road. I've yet to see an EV over 10 years old.
@@SafeEffective-ls2pl My LEAF2014 is still on the road. Doing fine..
I’ve just got rid of my electric nightmare, I would absolutely advise anyone even contemplating the madness of buying one of these after being told by every buyer out there not to, you will definitely regret it. I’m out 65000 quid because of that car.
Well I love my EV, dirt cheap to charge overnight. drives lovely. Wouldn't go back to ICE.
@@YeCannyDaeThat I agree, love my EV...won't ever buy another ICE
@@richardjohnson7900 People seem to not have an issue with ev's but more a problem that they paid over the odds for a car during covid when supply was low and demand was high and now that particular bird is coming home to roost!
I just bought a new EV and it's a wonderful car. No regrets at all.
But I've been driving EVs for six years so I know what I am getting into.
Sorry to hear about your nightmare. I would not even consider an EV or a Hybrid. I just cannot see any upside whatsoever in Australia.
They just don’t stack up, in any way, compared to a petrol or Diesel .
Fuel is the cheapest thing you put in a car, and my diesel costs $5 a day. I spend more on my morning coffee.
The insurance companies will put the EV market to bed, the premiums will close them down. The fires will make them unwanted, uninsurable, and unable to give them away.
less than 1% of vehicle fires are EV.
insurance premiums are high on Tesla EVs, but not all brands. Insurance quotes for my EV were lower than my wife's (7-seater) petrol car.
@@decimal1815 they are way more dangerous when they catch fire as the battery basically contains their built-in oxidizers. The fire is nearly impossible to put out.
Recent BBC news article finally quoted stats that EVs are significantly less likely to catch than petrol!
Then the big dogs who are invested will lobby them back in.
What’s it say when a car dealer will not have anything to do with used EV’s
the car dealer can't make money. It says the car dealers are going to be seen less and less on in our towns as their model of business is going to extinct over the next 15 years.
@@ianskeet Yes they can, just not on EV's as the video states.
That ev prices are coming down, so the “they’re way too expensive” argument is about to collapse.
She said it herself, she doesn’t want to buy something that will be cheaper when she tries to sell it
@@peadarr Keep telling yourself that. Actually, prices will start to rise again, as Lithium becomes more and more scarce. There isn't enough to cover all car replacements. Then again, prices could come down if they discover a cheaper alternative to Lithium. It's all too uncertain.
@@retiefgregorovich810There is plenty of Lithium still untapped. And it can be recycled. Oil can’t! How expensive is oil going to be when it becomes exhausted?
Tell that to the nutcase politicians.
You buy an E.V your gonna be left behind. Indefinitely on the hard shoulder. 😂
Not so many of them about nowdays 😃
I had an e.v - I changed back to Diesel after 3weeks . From my experience I wouldn’t recommend, it was an amazing car to drive and lots of power but not for me I’m afraid. I would buy a hybrid if diesels are squeezed out .
The Duel Fuel, petrol & LPG is worth checking, a transport solution. LPG € 1 per Ltr.
@@blueocean2510 LPG filling points are being decommissioned here in the UK, Disappearing gradually.
@@Brian-om2hh Not in the EU.
What were your issues with it? Lack of charging?
Because having somewhere to charge at home makes a huge difference to the convenience factor
@@peadarr no it wasn’t - I think there was an element of i was missold the car , we have one car so my wife dropped me to work then done schools runs and collected kids and myself again so it done all the work and we told the sales man our daily mileage and he assured us it “would more than do what we needed” - by 5pm the car was at zero and we had no car for the evenings - the range just falls right in front of your eyes at a pace that wasn’t even funny, we were just after getting approved for the Simi home charger and we could keep plugging it in every time we got home but we didn’t want live like that , we couldn’t afford something with a 400+ kilometre range , but I really wouldn’t want one now and we felt a huge relief to have a diesel car again , personally I’d advise anyone to drive one for a week before purchasing one to see if it suits their lifestyle. Don’t get me wrong - in other ways we loved the car to drive the instant power it was really nice but not practical for us.
Arthur Daley would sell 'em, " just plug 'er in & off you go my son"
"Terry. Get some paint over that scratch on the battery"
@@cornishhh "Leave it out Arfur!"
Terrific little motor!
Just buy a Lexus or Toyota hybrid they are brilliant and ignore the Green Party they are only a party of messers.
Sure, buy a vehicle with a smaller than optimal ICE and carry 500 kilos of batteries around with you permanently, or from the other perspective a battery powered vehicle carrying around an ICE permanently. Hybrid seems to me to be a nowhere technology, a compromise with the worst of both worlds as is often the case.
so buy an overcomplicated car that in reality gets no better mpg than a standard combustion car.
So just buy a V8 car and give plants something to use.
Hybrids are the best of both worlds and they do get better gas mileage, check the ratings. We have a 2010 Highlander Hybrid and 2024 RAV4 hybrid. The 2010 runs great, no issues, battery is in great shape with 250,000 kms.
@@foxlake6750 Buy whatever you like as long as it is a TOYOTA, or Japanese at least.
Cars are overpriced, 21st century car cost an annual salary and more, that's not a progress, that's stagnation.
China can manufacture for fraction the price, but Irish middleman, including predatory government tax policies make it unsustainable.
It's NOT the Governments... Learn who it is that started this legislation
It's funny you say that cars are overpriced. Tesla has driven the cost to manufacture down to the point where you can get a Model 3 for around $30k in some states in the US and they're still making a profit. No other EV makers, other than those in China can compete with that and lose money on every EV they sell. That's why we're seeing such crazy depreciation right now since you can't sell a 2nd hand car for more than the cost of a brand new one. That's one thing the guest did actually get right, 2nd had costs are all over the place.
@@airchie2 that's the thing. Cost of manufacturing is down, but price for end user is still way too high.
@@janisjersovs2441Not at all. The cost to the end user is also dropping sharply, hence the price volatility in the used market.
@@airchie2 still around average annual salary level. Should be half of it
I have driven my EV for the past 2 years and I would never go back to a petrol car. It costs a fraction of what I used to pay for fuel. I love it. I do 10000 miles a year and it only costs me £500 a year in home charging. I never use public chargers.
Agree, 3 yrs running EV's, happy enough, personally found running costs much cheaper. Not sure why such strong anti-EV sentiment, just have what you prefer, no problem.
Just wait for your Battery to fail
I'm glad it works for you. But some people have living situations that keep them from home charging such as living in an apartment. They can only charge at a public charger which will most likely not be cheaper and also a big hassle. Just like there are pickup trucks suited to special applications and buses for others and sports cars for others, EVs are not a one-size-fits-all perfect-for-everyone vehicle.
@@peterdietrich9491 Just wait for your mechanical bits to fail
@@YourHineyness I agree I wouldn't have got an EV without a home charger
Thank you for bringing Nadia on your podcast to address EVs from a used car dealer's perspective.
Several used car lots I fit Tyres for here in England will not take in either via auction or trade in any EV things.
6:17 EVs are not like other tech that gets outdated because, like here in Australia it’s being mandated by govts. But the consumer is smarting up.
My Tesla from 2018 get updates and has same feature as 2023 models.
UK papers reported this last year
I can guess which UK payers..
And yet second hand sales of BEVs almost doubled (90.9%) in (2022 / 2023!
She's SPOT ON.
A friend of mine bought an EV. After five years the battery went kaput. The company quoted him €20k to replace his battery. Also prior to breaking down totally, the range was down to 100 kilometres per charge.
Why wouldn't his battery be covered by the 8 year battery warranty? If it was out of warranty, why didn't he consider a battery pack refurbishment, at a fraction of the cost of replacing the pack.
Your friend was a thick
@@Brian-om2hh probably mileage
Is this from the book of things that actually never happened?
@@luciiacobOr BS
Wheres the video of Michael O'Leary calling Eamon Ryan a dunce 😂
It’s up now
When I first started working we were told that the office was about to go paperless. That was in 1987. EV’s will be the same.
The office did go paperless. You just kept your job in the civil service so didn't notice.
@@pato10111 I was never in the civil service. I’ve only had real jobs.
I had to get rid of my VW Cupra Born as it never performed per website statements. In that process I found the dealership Listers routinely charged my car and the courtesy car to 100% and didn’t seem to follow the manufacturer’s guidance themselves so I’d be pretty reluctant as a dealer to touch a secondhand ev
There are people out there borrowing $18,000 to get a used Model S, and then 9 months later, the battery pukes and it is out of warranty. They are vandalizing their vehicles to cash in on the insurance money. Otherwise, you are literally $18,000 down the toilet.
This can also happen with ice car, you can get a used one with bad motor, an Audi q7 for example will charge $18-20k for new motor and labor.
Given what we know about the very serious risks of thermal runaway, why are these battery electric vehicles still allowed to use our Interisland ferry?
Because they want to delete us.
Gees, that's a fair point. I don't think you can even put those fires out.
The phone in your pocket is at greater risk of thermal runaway but you aren't fearing for your testicles every day are you? ICE cars start fires fare more than EV's in proportion and that is a fact.
There is no serious risk of thermal runaway. Battery fires are exceptionally rare, except in some cheap garbage Chinese EV's...
Stop watching you tube videos. They are corrupting your commonsense.
"EV is battery car" .. I like that Eye Opener Revelation from this Smart Boss Lady.... thank you.
'Mini-discs' don't spontaneously combust!
But petrol does explode.. quite often.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy a used EV particularly if its battery is near its "end of life". A replacement battery is going to cost the best part of the vehicle's cost when new.
Who told you that? You can get them repaired for a couple of grand now.
EV batteries will last, at least, the length of the average car life.
Just buy your EV from a dealer who knows what they are talking about and offers a warranty tht includes the battery. Most batteries are covered by manufactuer's warranty of 8 years. My EV is 10 years old and still going strong.
Like most things battery powered, EV's are disposable technology. Most people haven't realized that yet, but they are learning fast they have been suckered.
You must be barking! Mine is brilliant, best car I’ve had by a long distance and saving me loads of money
@@gesp5151good for you!!
@@gesp5151 nope, you have already paid for your “fuel” up front. You just don’t realize it.
@@Mav86asian Yes of course 😂
Yep, if Apple had made a car then they'd have glued the batteries in! You'd also have to pay extra for a special charging cable adaptor. If you cracked the windscreen then you'd need to buy a whole new car.
She’s bang on. We don’t touch them anymore. Can’t financially sustain the business gambling with them.
I love her voice it sounds amazing
I just abused myself listening to her.
Creep
@@MrJamiez😂
In England it's a struggle just to afford leccy for the house, no way can I afford a leccy car 😢
I'm in the UK. Before I got my EV, I forked out £200+ for petrol each Month. I switched to a Kia EV, and it added £30 per Month onto my electricity bill. My £200+ per Month petrol costs disappeared.
You can't bilk electric like you can diesel
And now your insurance has gone through the roof and the value drops massively each week that passes. Yea great savings 😂@@Brian-om2hh
@@Brian-om2hhin my experience EV’s charged at home are cheaper than petrol, but if you are a serious user of the road and need to charge at the public chargers, most are more expensive than petrol.
The idea that they are greener than ICE vehicles has been debunked by Volvo’s study of a couple of years ago. They state that the ICE vehicles are greener after the manufacturing process, until 60-65,000 miles then EV’s take the lead, but by that time the EV needs a new battery and the harm to the environment begins again.
The EV market is already suffering owing to hideous depreciation, insurance availability and poor infrastructure and let’s not forget the devastation that battery ‘runaway’ causes, Luton airport, Fremantle Highway and Felicity Ace.
Although fun to drive, they are doomed to failure!
you need to revisit Volvo. Their new EV's are carbon neutral way before ICE vehicles. Luton airport was a diesel fire, depreciation is up across all types of car, Felicity Ace was not an EV fire. EV's can do 100000's of miles before replacements needed and usually it's cells not entire battery packs. My insurance is cheaper than my prior petrol car. EV's are the way forward its just taking some people a while to figure it out.
The pollution that those batteries and mining will create is a crime against humanity.
the same mining that was used to create the battery in your computer / phone
And the children that are forced to mine battery materials.
@@OM617a like the minerals in your computer and phone. However, alternative sources of lithium are being found in countries like USA and in parts of EU, so no child labour there. Cobalt is being reduced in traction batteries now, with much less used compared to a few years ago. Look at the new LFP batteries for example, and the new Sodium EV batteries being developed this year.
@@decimal1815 Well I don't have a computer, I have a phone which is now 5 years old and still going strong. The difference with a phone is it is essential for life in the modern world, even as a construction worker I need a phone. A battery car, not so much though. I have a very old car and truck both of which I maintain myself, this i believe is more environmentally friendly than a treadmill of consumerism. Thanks for the response.
@@OM617a agreed. It's much better to recycle and repair than buy new. I've never bought a new car, always used. My used electric car is 10 years old now. Still gets me to work just fine. But respect to you for fixing up your own vehicles. I don't have the skills for that.
Just bought a used ev and it’s in perfect condition. I realise that evs are improving with every new model, so I likely won’t get rid of this, but if I get 8 or 9 yrs out of it, I am happy.
@@mablesfatalfable6021 The battery degrades at a rate of 2.3% every year, yes, but that only results in a charge of around 47kw instead of 58kw after 9 or 10 years. Obviously I will just charge to 90 or 100% to compensate at that stage. And at 10 years I would obviously scrap the car, so I don’t get your point.??
@@pgilligan7794 that is a steep level of loss. We has a second release 24 leaf for nearly a decade. When we traded in it was just shy of 90% capacity. That's a loss of .5% each year. We charged on a 7 at home 90% of the time with occasional visits to rapids.
@@mablesfatalfable6021you really have no idea what you’re talking about. Stop regurgitating rubbish.
I bought a 9 year old used EV for less than £5k and it's been great. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Dealers just need to do their homework and skill-up on how to check battery health, etc.
My milkman loves his electric vehicle - ideal for cowmilk delivery
Batteries and cold weather dont mix.
Thanks for your engineering insights.
Batteries are 20% less efficient in cold weather. Combustion engines are 15% less efficient.
@@Audioremedy0785 Cold weather range loss is 47.6% for NEVs (Chinese) to 19.4% for a Tesla 3 (with no heater on). The overall average mileage loss in cold weather excluding NEVs is 31% (35% at 32F). The WORST combustion vehicle loses 15% at 32F. The average short trip range loss is 10%. Cold weather significantly impairs EV driving range.
It also matters whether driving highway or city. Tesla 3 highway range loss is 29%, while stop-and-go city driving can add 41%. Combustion engines gain 19% on the highway and lose 21% in the city.
@@jameso1447 it’s impossible to be that precise with figures. Mass vehicle studies shows that Teslas are losing around 20% of range and an average ICE vehicle is losing 13%. And this is in the most extreme cold that an overwhelming majority of drivers would never experience. I would much rather have a car that I could easily charge at home that struggles slightly more in the cold than one that I know I’m going to have to drive to a petrol station with in potentially dangerous conditions.
The ICE brigade always point out ‘but we use the heat from our engines that doesn’t cost us fuel’ blissfully ignorant of the fact that their engine is so inefficient that it’s ultimately using fuel to create heat almost all the time that’s just wasted most of the time.
@@Audioremedy0785 Where is the comment I put after this?? Is youtube censorship deleting things?
Not just RANGE ANXIETY...now there is ALSO CHARGER ANXIETY! And some countries do not want you to charge at home during some hours of the day...
Failing 'hand shake' is a common problem.
I have been on a couple of road trips with a friend who has an EV. Some chargers are broken or only chargers at a lower rate. It can add hours to a trip. If politicians think we’ll be in EVs by 2030 or 2035, they are dreaming and will find they will be out of office.
In essence ‘range anxiety’ is the fear that you don’t have enough fuel. The only people who talk about range anxiety are people who don’t own EVs.
@@Audioremedy0785because it's common sense (range & charger anxiety, grid overload especially during heatwave, cold areas, false environmental benefits etc) so you don't have to own EVs to have common sense
True places like Texas, etc, during high heat seasons, power companies have turned off people's air-conditioners without their consent because of grid overload, so imagine a bunch of evs charging during the day and night plus your air-conditioners and other electronics
EV makes sense for a household with own chargers at home. For shorter back&forth commute etc.
Here in Switzerland most EV owners are wealthy and many have their EV as a second/third vehicle.
For the middle class ICE / mild hybrid makes much more sense
Even ESB work on hydrogen projects.
She drives a self charging car. She’s a genius. Everyone should listen to this woman.
Here in the uk, a friend of mine has a 2017 hyundai Ionic.
It was purchased brand new, and today has less than sixty thousand miles on the clock.
Currently, the car is off the road due to a "battery issue" replacement cost £11,000
impressive, that'as more expensive than the highest recorded battery replacement price recorded by any EV in the UK by the biggest aftermarket warranty provider, warrantywise. Remarkably unlucky really. Still a lot cheaper than the most expensive petrol repair bill though. A full Ioniq battery costs about 4k so not sure where they're spending the other 7 grand.
unfortunatly, the world has a lot of people who are easily manipulated. now more then ever its important to THINK for yourself. Logic and common sense are NOT so common anymore.
You only have to look at Bitcoin to see how the world thinks….
The change of the BIK rules on EV's will also have a significant impact in the next few years. A lot of the people I know with EV's are on company car schemes. The very large personal tax saving that they made justified the loss of range or convenience from battery cars. However those benefits are being phased out so they will switch back to diesel at the end of their current cycle.
BIK will be increasing on ICE vehicles too. EV's BIK will rise at 1% per year up to 5% in 2028. Ultra-low emission cars (non EV's) emitting less than 75g/km will also increase by 1% for 3 years, rising to a max of 21%.
Tesla 3 and Y models are getting 300k miles and 90% of battery potential.
That's just lies
Can ordinary people afford one without being locked into never ending finance.
There's no way the average EV gets that mileage. If it does it well under 10 years old.
Tell her to start pluging in her I8.
It is not self charging.
You are paying more for energy to make your car move. And you are poluting more.
And maybe more importantly to you. The car will be quicker with a charge in the battery
so many holes in her argument, like swiss cheese.
As someone who sells cars for a living she certainly doesn't know a lot about them
U have to take in to account the type of journey u typically do . Also cost of fast charging should be capped. I had two plug in hybrids . Prob with was .. around 58 to 65 k range should aim for 100k and second would only charge at 3.5 kw per hr . I have a 58 kw ioniq 5 . Very happy with it but if doing long motorway way journeys reguraly dont think i would be ?
The biggest issue for me is that we are placing our supply chain at the mercy of unfriendly countries in terms of battery materials
Yep unfriendly nations like AUSTRALIA which is the worlds biggest supplier of raw materials to EV industry.
When was the last time you saw a Chinese warship patrolling the English channel. Now go and look at all the western ships in the South China sea. Its us being unfriendly not them.
@@rambleon3698 They would have no need to patrol our shores as no one is trying to sink all those Chinese cargo ships arriving every day in our ports. By the way the South China sea does not belong to China.
How about the supply of oil? Is it coming from friendly countries?
@@panjacek6674 Generally no they are not but having one bad situation is not solved by creating an even worse one.
Who would ever buy a second hand battery
Lfp. 5000 charge cycles to 60% capacity.
The worst thing I ever did was buy an electric car
What was the worst thing about buying an electric car would you say?
Not my worse decision but I wouldn't buy another one.
@@zitzongin my case it's charging. I can't charge at home so am reliant on public EVSE's. It takes too long to charge and even longer if you have to wait to get an EVSE. Also prices are becoming extortionate
@@thalesofmiletus2966 oh that is a shame, the idea of electric cars is ok but in practical terms they are not convenient or anywhere near ready to be used as a practical transportation solution.
Two people I know bought EVs, both said they regret it and were swayed by the grant, they describe it as like driving a petrol or diesel car but with the yellow fuel light constantly on.
anyone heard about the renault zoe story where someone car is now out of warranty and there heating system has failed and going to cost more then what the car is worth to fix
I just watched a RUclips video showing the EV ranges specified compared to the testing of 8 or 9 brands at 11 degrees C. They all failed the test by 80 to 100 miles. Why would you buy one.
Because an ice is the exact same.
No clue which ones but our BMW i3 gets WAY over the promised 155 miles. It’s leased so I charge the thing in my garage to 100% and in the summer it can reach an estimate of 205-210 range. Dead of winter? THEN it will show around 155 at 100% charge. On average…it’s about 175 miles at 70°F. HOWEVER, I think BMW purposely underestimated the range to insure those who actually bought one outright got the 8 years range promised or whatever time it was.
We live in a hyperspeed society where one technology comes along and it is obsolete within 10years. Smart Meters are an example of a technology that won't keep up with progress.
mine seems to be.
What happened to the guy that made a car that ran on water😮🤔
They JFKED Him .
Got electricuted.
Bumped off and his design shelved .
It was a washout....
He eventually hit dry land.
Just read the What Car EV range test and review of the VW id7. The manufacturer claims it has a range of 380 miles and the test from fully charged to the point it stopped was just over 250 miles. On third less than claimed. The test was in winter.
Very realistic discussion. Tells it as it actually is with electric cars.
Very intresting from Nadia , someone who is in the motor trade . iv put a link below for anyone interested from Harry's garage going into why hes had to go back to diesel . He also talks about the issues with second hand EVs.
Or there are garages / dealers like Cleevely in the south west who have been dealing and servicing EVs for years. Still going strong..
She really needs to clarify it more. The problem is really with the BEV's with expensive Lithium Ion batteries. Many of the Chinese EV's are now using Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries that last 3 times longer, don't catch fire and are far less expensive. The only sacrifice is about 25% less range, but a full replacement battery is around $3,000 instead of $20,000.
Great channel IMO keep up the fear and doubt content to motivate sellers to complete their good work
I love it, "charger anxiety". We got a lot of that.
My opinion is that the least polluting car is the one not produced.
I wonder why I should change my Nissan Navara 2.5 diesel (12 years, 210,000km) or my Renault Trafic 1.6 diesel biturbo (6 years, 120,000km) which work perfectly and are regularly maintained, have a range of 800/900km and take me 5 minutes for a full tank of diesel to pay € 50,000 for a new EV and only have complications, range anxiety, lack of fast charging and very long charging times.
the least polluting car is the one that is not *driven*. Just use public transport or a bike.
eeeeeexactly...even a child could understand it, but we like to make very complicated models, so that the most simple topic remains hidden. so much more pullution for producing new ev cars, many of them never been sold and directly went to graveyard, and waste the old ones that MAYBE have a bit higher emissions while working? complete foolishness
I respect that womans experience in her business, but she says new batteries can cost 20 thousand [ I presume euros] I think they cost a lot more than that,eg.£40 k for porsche plus labour, $57 k for Hyundai Ionic 5.
Disposable cars. How environmental.
$10k for model 3, some shops can repair individual cells, so you won’t have to replace the whole battery.
The main problem with PHEVs is most people who own them do so because they cannot charge at home and end up running them almost exclusively on gasoline like an ICEV, in which case the amount of energy saved from regen braking and reduced idling may not offset the extra energy spent lugging a 300kg battery around that doesn't get used much besides launch and regen.
I had an 700 mile race across BC Canada. 2007 Yaris, vs 2023 Dual motor Model X. Yaris got there 3 hours earlier. 12.5 hours vs 15.5 hours.
Scare tactics to scare people from going forward into the future. The heater uses less power than running a ICE motor to keep warm.
Hydrogen is not the answer at the moment. California is the leader in promotion where shell have just pulled out of all their hydrogen fuelling stations cutting the number of stations statewide by 15%. Not often you see major players withdrawing from a market place.
Lots of info out there about dealers not taking EV's as part ex's in the UK. Big issue is the battery degradation/ replacement cost vs value of the vehicle.
Fake news. Depreciation is down to market adjustment caused by Tesla's price drop on its new cars.
@@pato10111👈 Tesla Fanboi
@@pato10111 Probably some fanboi in-joke.
@@pato10111 Bless him, for he does not know what he does.
@@tastypymp1287Couldn’t think of all your childish insults in one go? The fact you respond with mindless tripe probably says more about you. Still, thanks for your insightful input.
My Kangoo Z.E is doing its job brilliantly…since 2014 running smoothly except for brakepads xchanges …rarely
I wish that this was a proper balanced discussion!!!!!
How would you make the discussion balanced ? Please explain. Thanks
It was an opinion piece. She is a dealer and won't touch an EV. Like it or lump it!
I think she was speaking from experience on the risk to her financially taking in used EVs as values are volatile currently.
When she started spouting nonsense about EVs not able to be towed I felt her credibility took a dip.
Avoid electric cars like the plague!
And the people that drive them.
Boring. Jealous anti-EV troll.
Absolutely they are rubbish
@@gregdean8441 says someone that doesn't own one. Really boring.
I disagree. My favorite ride at the amusement park is the bumper cars.
Plug in hybrids still have battery problem outside of manufacturer warranty, less severe but still there.
The informatiob provided here is incorrect for the most part. There were no bunch of EVs stuck on the autobahn and being craned out. Parked EVs don't use much battery using just heat. They are depreciating alot compared to new prices from 3 years ago. Ice cars are also out of waranty after a while so engines can go as well. She is right that a battery replacement is very high at the moment if it would need it. Very few cars would need a replacement in the first 300k kms though.
I have 40 plus year old cars in my shed. The engines run just fine. Lol
A burning shame for the owners but insightful wisdom on the part of the Garage owner
Wow, that is great news. I should be able to get a Tesla Model S with FSD for cheap money soon. And since Tesla Bjorn and many others have shown that 200,000 miles is no problem for the battery at all, and the motors will last way longer, I might get a nice 2024 Model S used in a few years.
Maybe you can start a pre-owned EV dealership business and scoop up all these cheap EV.
Shh. Don't tell the anti-EV brigade. They'll put the prices up ;)
I have a better offer. I’ll sell you my 2022 Model Y Long Range right now for what I owe, or even at a loss.
@@CropCircleCritic That's a steal. you gentlemen should get it while the offer last! Unfortunately, I am allergic to electromagnetic frequency emit from the EV. 🤣 I don't mean to laugh, but I am sure people who drives EV does not know it emit ELF and the long term health effects of absorbing ELF.
@@wayneho71 I actually didn’t know that. But I believe it.
In any case, the Lexus we ordered finally came in so we are trading the Tesla in for it today. At a substantial loss of course, but we are so relieved to be getting back into a real car.
If batteries really have low failure rates and lasts for a long time, how come no manufacturer or third party vendor offers 12, 14 or 16 year extended warranties?
Pure profits selling these insurance premiums.
She has a point. Another thing to think about is EVs also work like computers/smartphones, what will you do then when manufacturers stop providing software/security updates on your old EV?
‘Push the sale of hybrids’ so twice as many things to go wrong with it so….
Hybrids are more reliable than traditional ICE cars. While my Corolla says it has 30,000km on the clock, the engine was only running for half of that. Even under hard acceleration, the electric motor supplements the power, reducing engine strain.
The alternative is diesel, with DPF filter, turbo and injector issues.
Just lmagine how many parts have to move on diesel or petrol car for you to get moving :D compare it to electric its a battery and electric motor
@@Backpfeifengesicht45Toyota hybrids are the best had one then went with Vw ice but would buy another Toyota in a heartbeat
@@Laba-Diena not really if you count batteries as individual yiu got 8000's parts.
Nadia is Right there a waste of money why don't we hear about HVO and hydrogen
Hydrogen will probably never happen...if you look at what happens to Hydrogen under pressure. All Dublin bus fleet should be CNG decades ago..but nobody can do anything right in any situation, in authority in this country...its hopping from one cluster fu** to another...
Because it’s hydrogen. It would be more expensive to fuel your hydrogen car than a diesel. Why would you switch to a more expensive fuel type.
@jamesgenius101 a filling station owner in mullingar has his car running on HVO and half the business's and half the town have there Diesel cars on it there getting more miles than diesel it's only a few cents extra and a friend of mine has his car and trucks run on HVO one truck is 1999 he's getting great mileage on it
Why not disregard the relentless contextual frauds and tell the government to stop pushing an absurd agenda?
Not enough HVO available, that needs us to rip out foodstock and use it for fuel. It will have limited impact and is still bad for the environment. It's still the price of diesel, why wouldn't you want to pay a tenth of the price to do the same mileage in an electric car?
in about 2010 a friend and myself spoke at length at what the battery solution might look like for EVs we always thought there needed to be 2 things the first a world wide connector standard and second a replaceable battery... these things do need to happen and it has taken 14 years to get where we are. Hybrid does make sense as you are benefiting from the power advantage of electric but you still have 2 systems which is a cost.
It’s interesting she brought up the bmw timing belt.
That situation was solved by EU not allowing warrantees to be voided by using non factory parts or brand mechanics.
Its similar with EV batteries. It doesn’t actually cost €20,000 to replace a battery but because batteries are currently the limiting factor in production, every one they put in an old car is one less new car they can sell.
If the EU brought in a law limiting how much of a mark up they can charge and obliging them to replace batteries for a reasonable cost, it would solve this issue.
Price controls don't always work the way people hope.
@@shoobidyboop8634 nothing always works the way people hope.
That’s not an excuse to do nothing
@@peadarr It's an excuse not to do price controls. See also Venezuela and every other commie country in the history of the world.
As to waiting for Hydrogen; it will be a long wait because it’s so complex, expensive, inefficient and dangerous. They can demonstrate HFC but the laws of physics means it will need more input energy (ie cost) than even petrol.
It’s fine to be sceptical and have questions but be assured if you have a proper long term test drive you’ll love it.
One idea I have heard is to develop a system where the car only has a water tank and it makes its own hydrogen from electrolysis as needed. No explosive tank of hydrogen. I have no idea if that is possible but it is an interesting idea.
Hydrogen is not an option , even for decades, the refuelling infrastructure alone is nigh on impossibly expensive. EV charging infrastructure is also never likely to become anywhere near adequate. Several issues, including apps (why not just swipe a credit card?), remote phone signals dodgy in rural areas, no decent grid connections, limited generating capacities, use of diesel generators at charging stations ( unbelievably common) too many people charging at once, resulting in much slower charging, queues ( time is money for business transport and travel). Pretty much the same feasons why electric vehicles failed a century ago. Until 1 kg of battery has the same energy density capacity of 1kg of diesel will this ever make EV’s viable for anyone who cannot do ALL there charging at home. New net-zero liquid and synthetic fuels will be the future, they already work and existing refuelling infrastructure is already in place. Even a 1990’s F1 car can run on these fuels, as proven by Sebastian Vettell.
The same could be said about EV's: expensive, inefficient, and dangerous. I can see the staying power in the likes of Europe, but EV's aren't sustainable in big countries like the US, Russia, and particularly Australia.
The Australian government is trying to force the truck industry onto EV's and is absolutely dumbfounding as to how they think that it'll work. For years, companies have been wanting to get trucks as light and safe as possible, only for the government to force a much heavier vehicle on them, which takes at minimum 6 hours to fully charge, so the driver just sits there and no company will want to pay a driver who does nothing for 6 hours or more. It'll delay the distribution services that the country relies on since the rail service is abysmal.
An EV car in Australia on average is about $60k-$90k. Most people can't afford that, and the infrastructure needed to make it sustainable will never happen.
EV's will only be successful in parts of Europe. Everywhere else, they'll fail miserably.
Waiting 40 mins for a charge would still be rediculous to me, when I can put enough diesel in my car to do about 300 miles in about 3 minutes
And do you drive that 300 miles nonstop? That is about 6 hours of driving. Can your bladder hold out? Can you fast for 6 hours?
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534You just don't get , do you...........
@@petew8388 I can put about 300 miles in car and it takes about 30 seconds. Then I”m tucked up nice and cosy in my bed. How, you are correct, I do not “get” all this pile on of EVs. They can work for the majority of drivers and perhaps not for some. If they don’t work for you don’t buy one. Just don’t criticise those for whom they are perfect. Didn’t answer bathe question, I notice, do you drive those 30l miles without stopping?
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 2 of my "ICE" vehicles are worth more now than when I bought them about 6 years ago.
The depreciation of your "milk floats" is bad. Not to mention a number of the usual talked about negatives. As far as I am concerned the EV con has now been totally realized..
However , I still think small city runabout EV's do have a place in society.
Im sorry, but charging time is not the problem at all, there are problems but not this one. If you do “prepare battery” before reaching supercharger you can charge from 20% to 75% in 10-15 minutes. The thing they dont tell is that it takes 10-15 minutes to charge 20-75% (tesla y 2023 in my case), but 25-30 minutes for 20-90% due to nature of battery and physics, so just dont charge it 90-95%. For tesla y 80% is 260 miles of range. The time gas car spends on services will make it equal to electric (oil changes etc etc).
So happy to hear the logic I have been promoting to others being backed up by Nadia here. The limit I will go is for a hybrid as that looming battery expense out of warranty was never an appealing option. I too felt a combo of hydrogen with a battery would be the most optimal. Also from an environmental perspective the production of hydrogen still can become green and obviously it is a green fuel itself. I will share this video to everyone I have spoken with in the past about this topic.
The way forward for me is to keep my 14 year old dci, but I must say it has cost me two batteries in that time, 😜
I know 5 garages that won't have Electrics on trade in. The demand has gone down by 75%
This lady is speaking so much sense especially on battery bills and cobalt batteries are unrecyclable
Hydrogen is the way or LPG.
Hydrogen looks terrible to me. You'll end up spending around $225 in fuel for around 300 miles in range. The only reason any have sold is that manufacturers are offering to pay for three years' worth of your fuel usage. After that, you'll have a similar issue as an EV where the cost to own will cause high depreciation. In this case fuel instead of a possible faulty or degrading battery pack. I'd lease one if it was still offered free fuel but hand it back before that runs out. Ironically, most evs are moving through the lease market now as well.
You also have the issue that it's a complicated system with very few people qualified to work on, and hydrogen refueling stations are rare and expensive to set up as the gas must be kept very cold.
LPG and hybrids are the only economical options I've seen. I'd recommend, for the war against climate change, that we focus on the production side first. Producing cleaner grid power will pay huge dividends. Especially as much of Africa and SE Asia are just now trying to install stable grid level power supply for their enormous populations. Revolutionize the consumption side once the market and consumer can handle it, plus grid expansion is costly and carbon intensive as well. It's nice that diesel and gas are their own battery and don't need to he transmitted on the grid.
Trade one pollutant for another. Lithium EV batteries are highly toxic to people and our environment, a constant fire danger adding one more thing to an all ready polluted environment . EMF Radiation is another concern from these EVs
I don’t give a F. Never had kids and don’t care what happens to the planet after I’m gone. Love my lil EV because of acceleration and not having to EVER deal with mechanic type people.
Rubbish!
@@Skyking6976 these cars still require maintenance and they aren't made in pony land, so there's no escaping mechanics and the less you take care of your car, the faster you'll have to face the consequences regardless of the engine type.
@@Antody REALLY? REALLY? I’ve had a BMW i3 for since September 2021 on lease and was harassed to bring it in for the 1.5 year inspection. Far as I know they did some software update and filled the washer fluid tank. Why? Because the dealership wanted some money from BMW for maintenance. They had made the i3 for over 10 years at the time, with little modification so… Heck, I had to go down to Maryland to even find one since BMW was discontinuing US sales and I bought one of the last new ones sold here. THAT dealership said ordinarily they wouldn’t sell cause I was out of their “region” but since it’s an EV they said OK because they make virtually no money on maintenance.
DrMikel.... You are talking complete balderdash.
If you feel Lithium batteries etc. are so dangerous... I presume you don't use mobile phones, cordless phones, tablet computers, laptop computers etc.
It must be quite difficult to even see and post comments on RUclips!
have a plugin hybrid with 60Km autonomy, can be charged on 220 power socket and for long distance run 600km on gasoline. Average consumption 1.8 liter per 100 very happy
So you cant just tow an electric car? Are they rollback towable only?