Our 6hr EV charging disaster...how is it still this bad?
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- After our recent EV v Petrol road trip, we wanted to give driving an electric vehicle another shot. This time we rented a Rivian R1S in the United States to see what DC fast charging, off-street AC charging and EV charging in a parking structure would be like. We didn't expect it to end the way it did...
Rivian R1S review and video: www.carexpert.com.au/car-revi...
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Intro: 00:00
The road trip plan 01:22
Our first DC fast charge 03:54
Our second DC fast charge 08:39
Charging in a parking structure 18:29
Flo street charging 20:43
Verdict 24:14
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"Time for full charge 4h40 min". Those are words I will thankfully never ever willingly subject myself to.
That's a level 2 charger in a garage; not meant for full charging, but rather getting some juice while you are shopping. Again - I wouldn't recommend an EV if you can't charge at home.
To put that in perspective that’s like roughly driving from Manly to Port Macquarie 😩
@@ithomas101most of us in the western US visit places that are hours away. EVs will never be serviceable in this environment.
That coupled with electricity comes from natural gas and coal EVs don’t even make sense
My car charges while I sleep. I've never waited a single minute for my car to charge.
@@dand5829 But, not everyone is the same situation as you.
I've got charging anxiety just looking at this 😢
Me Too 😢
EVs are really only a valid option if you have a charger at home. There is no point to get one if you have to charge away from home. Tesla MAY be an option but you have to be careful.
Not to mention if you live somewhere that has real winters... Or you wanted to tow or carry something.
It would be exciting to live life at charging stations!
Anyone not from the Christian Race is from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
I worked 20 years in car rentals, and I can't fathom the nightmare of an entire fleet of EV's, half of them needing charged upon return. Rentals can often have a turn around of 30 minutes between customers, it will be beyond impossible to keep up.
The answer is simple: you let the car go without a full tank. That's common with petrol vehicles, I can't remember the last time my car had a full tank when picking up. No reason the same thing couldn't happen with EVs. You plug them in when returned and whatever it is when the next customer picks it up is what it is
@@repatch43That’s just ridiculous. So, someone in a hurry from the airport is supposed to stop for a hour immediately after getting their rental car, if they can even find a working charger in a city they are not familiar with? Sure thing. There’s a bit of difference in topping off a gas tank and charging an EV.
@@Hawk89gt If you think it's ridiculous, don't get an EV? This is another example of misunderstanding of what EVs are. Even with half a 'tank' you can still go 150-200 miles in most EVs you'll be renting, if you're planning to do a major road trip after landing ya, that's a problem, and the solution would be to ask for a vehicle that was 'full'.
But for most people it's a non issue, they simply don't drive that far with their rental. I rented a car (gas) in Florida last year for 18 days, I didn't have to 'refill' it until I was on the way back to the airport. I probably put on a total of about 300 miles the whole trip, so ya, had I gotten an EV I would have had to top it up sooner.
This range anxiety has been conflated with so much FUD that all rationality has left most discussions.
Now you see why Hertz ditched EV.
Remind me of the days to be kind please rewind you know the video tape days of rental tapes
I am retired and enjoy traveling.
No way am going to waste what time I have left looking for a charging station and waiting to charge!
I'm with you. I looked at an EV but settled on a Cerato. Half the cost and I can fill up between Goondiwindi and Balranold no probs and no stress. And if I want, I can still tow a caravan (yes small one but it's just me).
Shell Is Closing 1000 Gas Stations To Focus On EV Charging
@@2DogsVlogs Here in the UK the government will get about 24 billion pounds annually from fuel duties, no one with any brain will assume that they are prepared to loose such sum if everybody go electric; and another thing, when all service stations stop selling fuel, as there would be no demand, what happens with portable generators?
As an EV driver I completely agree with you !!
They are making sure that you won't have a choice, by going after the manufacturers. They use things like the interstate commerce clause against companies as a proxy to violate your rights. Same with firearms manufacturers. Once the unelected class in Washington decides that your rights don't align with their vision, you won't know until it's too late.
It's like a scene from the oil embargoes in the 70s, cars lined up to fuel up.
My thoughts exactly! But all the new cars looked the same. ;)
That thought didn't escape me either
Even better. I have an EV and every day I wake up and my car is full.
Charging fully takes me 12 seconds. 6 seconds to plug in when I get home 6 to unplug in the morning
So the rest of the evening, I watch Submitters mom on Onlyfans.
@@BarryObaminable My car has 700 km of range, so I only need to fill up every 2 weeks or so in normal use, so averaged out that's probably about as much time as I spend fueling per day. But on a road trip it will still only take me 5 minutes to refill, and no waiting for chargers. Though I'll admit to having had to wait a minute or two to get a pump sometimes at the major highway service centers.
@@BarryObaminable Your a Muppet....
Tesla owner here, this is a great video. Pretending that the infrastructure is adequate doesn’t help anybody, just as suggesting an EV is the right choice for everybody is crazy. As you say, if you have a Tesla in Aus you’re mostly fine, but we still have a long way to go, particularly in terms of infrastructure for non Tesla EVs.
It's extremely refreshing to hear the reality from an owner. Respect
I actually spoke to a solar engineer about this. It's quite a bit more complicated, just because the government mandates something doesn't make it happen. There simply is no the resever energy to power all these EVs. The utility companies don't just have all this electricity sitting around, it's going to require new power stations, new how power lines, more producers. It's a whole mess that will takes years or even decades to transition. At least in the US.
Good luck trying to build a new power plant or new grid lines due to regulations and activists.
Just as well not everyone is swapping their ICE for an EV overnight then isn't it.
@@longstops1430 Except the governments are forcing EVs. Just look at the newer restrictions in ICEs. Ford doesn't even make a car anymore because of it. You can't buy a small, light pickup truck in the USA because of the environmental restrictions which make it infeasible for manufacturers to make one here.
@@grayrabbit2211 'forcing' is not correct. Defintely incentivising. However that's not the topic for converstion. Not everyone is going to buy an EV tomorrow and plug it into the grid. The grid will grow as EVs grow. There is no threat to the grid whatsoever.
@@longstops1430 It's forced. If you're not allowed to buy what you want, you are being forced to buy something else.
We're already there now -- good luck getting a V8 or V12 in a car these days. Even the mighty Mercedes S-Class comes with a V6 by default. V8 as a pricey option. No option for a V12.
The grid (at least here) CAN'T grow. No new power plants built in decades. Major opposition to those currently in service. Nuke plants are ageing out and being taken offline. Activists preventing new ones from being built.
btw, I've been doing solar power since the 1990s. Even enjoying my solar setup, I still am NOT a fan of EVs, or widespread solar power for that matter. Widespread solar installations means power companies are required to use dirtier sources of electricity (read: diesel/oil generators) that can spin up quickly when clouds roll in. The large, efficient gas/steam turbines aren't able to react fast enough to these sudden changes.
What a superb advert, for not buying an electric car…..many thanks.👍👌😜
He did say the Tesla chargers are very reliable.
@@danabe3220 Tell that to those in Illinois where the Tesla chargers slowed to a trickle due to the cold and dozens had to be towed.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL It's not the cars fault.That's called user error. You buy an electric car you better know how to prepare for those situations.
@@PowerNGlory It's the Tesla drivers' fault for being too poor to afford a house with a garage and charger. You tell those uppity working class Americans, PNG! They should stay out of Obama's Martha's Vineyard zip codes and take the DNC's rolling asylums for the criminally insane to work!
More like don't rent an EV in LA without a good plan to charge it.
I love the idea of being locked into a scenario where there’s a direct correlation between how much you value your time, and what you are willing to pay for it.
If you wanted to wear a tin foil hat, I’d say that’s exactly what they want. “Oh, you don’t have spare time, you want to spend it with your family? Well here’s the )10 per kw charger”. Or they want us to look at a trip and go “you know what, I can’t be bothered, I’m staying at home”.
They could implement a bid system whereby the customer increases the price they are prepared to pay to get faster throughput, the more you pay the faster you charge.
Also, don’t see why you couldn’t walk through a drive-thru 🤔
@@twig3288 I've actually walked through a drive through. Some places will serve you and some won't.
Was driving my work van on fumes. Pulled into a servo and filled up 65 litres in under 2 minutes. Paid and picked up an iced coffee, in all under 5 minutes I added 485kms to my trip.
Thank you very much.
Exactly. Life's too short to be sat at chargers. They can stick their EVs where the sun don't shine.
485kms on 65 litres of fuel WTF. That is some of the worst fuel economy I have ever seen
Nearly all houses in the US has 220v outlets for dryers etc which is pretty much equivalent to Australia.
@tigertoo01 yep it's a 3.3 tonne work van box, so that is actually pretty good.
@@tigertoo0165 litres at 141p per litre in the uk is £90 to go 300 miles 😅😅😅 I charge my EV at home for £6 and go 300 miles. And being a smart driver I plan my charging around lunch and toilet breaks if I go long distances, which is rarer than hens teeth. With the state fast charging in the UK, you can do lands end to John O groats at no extra cost in time as you have to stop anyway. no one does 800miles in one sitting
Imagine driving around for an hour trying to find an open charger, only to come back to the first one and resign yourself to waiting at least an hour to charge for 4 hours.
Soon governments will make you wait for gas and diesel as well. Just to promote EVs.
I can't imagine that. That's why I bought a '24 Tesla Model Y. No charging issues at all.
That last charger said done in 4 hours...4 hours! Who has that time to wait? Batteries and charging need to be better before EVs are adopted. As you pointed out, if you have a house, its not a problem. if you live in an apartment, it is not really feasible.
True
If one has a house, perhaps not an immediate problem. However, some insurance companies are raising home insurance rates for EV owners owing to the risk of the EV burning the house down. Other insurance companies are refusing to insure those homes altogether.
That 4 hours charge time was for a Rav4 Prime, which only supports Level 1 or Level 2 charging, because the battery is only 14.4 kW-hr usable capacity. There are 3 settings for charge rate you can set on the car's dash panel: MAX (32 amps), 16 amps, or 8 amps. It's possible that this Rav was set up for 16 amps instead of MAX, and the driver didn't notice. Those Clipper Creek chargers deliver 30 amps and if the voltage feed is at least 240 volts, a 30 amp Clipper Creek charger will charge a Rav4 Prime in 2 hours to 48 miles of range, or 2.75 hours to 54 miles of range (the maximum). I own a Rav4 Prime and frequently use Clipper Creek or Volta public chargers, and my typical full-charge session is 2.75 hours at 6,000 watts.
@@laura-ann.0726 I can refuel my Diamond DA40NG in
@@grayrabbit2211- I looked up the specs, and they are pretty impressive! The engine is a 2 liter, water cooled, 4-in-line naturally aspirated diesel, 168 hp. Fuel burn is 9.25 gal/hr at takeoff power, 5 gal/hr at 60% cruise power. Ceiling would be about 12,000 ft since the engine isn't turbocharged, and the cabin isn't pressurized. Fuel consumption at cruise power settings at 5,000 feet would be about 25 miles per gallon, which is amazing for an airplane. A Cessna 172 gets only about 15 mpg by comparison. I assume the difference comes from the fact that diesel engines have a lot better thermal efficiency than the typical low-compression Lycoming and Continental 4's and 6's burning 100LL avgas. Can you burn road diesel in it, or just Jet 4 kerosene?
So on Calfornia there are 31million registered cars vs 903,000 EVs. That is 3% EVs. Imagine now that changing to 20%? Can you even try and imagine the practicality of that?
Cali already know they have a problem. They also have nuclear power that doesn’t work during a drought
I just travelled to LA, and it seemed like a bit more than 3%, probably around double that. I didn't leave the city, so I assume LA has a high concentration of electric cars compared to the rest of the state. One thing that really struck me is how much freeway traffic there is even out of rush hour.
Edit: at 27:30 he gives stats for LA county - 4.5%. I thought there were more, but it does match what I thought about being more than the 3%.
He went to the same charger multiple times while there are always multiple locations. I wonder if he would he would try going to Costco to fuel his car multiple times or just look for another location? His video seems a bit disingenuous.
@@michealnordin Why would people queue for so long if there are more good chargers nearby? Did they specifically want to charge while at Walmart?
And the elites want to mandate EVs by 2030 in so many "first world" countries. What a joke. The transportation and logistics industry will fall to a standstill with everyone waiting to charge.
Can feel the pain in Paul’s voice when he says “it’s unbelievably bad”
It definitely wasn’t fun!
@@CarExpertAusand thats the future here.
@@ma77mc Why would it be the same, most Australian have landed housing and solar. If you dont have access to a home charger, dont buy one
@@PsychedMedia maybe outside the city, Sydney and Melbourne have a higher proportion of units than LA.
It's as if people with EVs enjoy having charging problems
One of the main reasons I have zero interest in an EV. I travel a lot in the mountains for skiing and other activities and the places I go, in order to find a charger I'd have to detour 2-3 hours out of my way and then sit there and charge the car. When you turn a 7-8 hour drive into a 12+ hour drive it suddenly becomes unattractive to travel or go on vacation. As usual they are trying to run before they walk and don't have the infrastructure in place. It was actually kind of hilarious on my last road trip, we found a gas station that had like 15 TESLA chargers, all empty, because the small mountain town we were in, the average income wasn't enough to even afford half of one EV. No one within a few hundred miles of that town could afford or owned an EV, yet they had chargers there for no EVs. Meanwhile in my area at home where half our neighborhood drives an EV, there aren't any chargers except one at the grocery store 10 miles down the road. Once they have actual solid charging infrastructure in place and can improve the battery efficiency, maybe then we can talk about EVs.
EVs make small planes look attractive. 1,000 mile range, refuel in
The situation is: the infrastructure is never going to happen. From mid 2023 venture capital funds have been withdrawing from the sector - bc they have hard evidence that there's no financial return. EV's owners all charge at home - and most still use ICE for long trips and vacations. Even BP Pulse has mothballed it's long-term program and will only maintain existing outlets for the foreseeable....
Come visit America, spend all your time looking for places to charge your EV.
You went to four public chargers before finding one available and working, then were so glad to finally plug in, you didn't even seem to mind the 4 hour, 40 minute charge time. The great EV con has now lowered your expectations in personal mobility.
Great vacation.
Because he was in CALIFORNIA, the rest of the country is not like that in population, sheer number of people and cars jammed into small areas. Plugshare maps shows the chargers all over the USA, some even not far from me in rural Iowa in a town of 1,600 people
@@HobbyOrganist Are there any gas stations near your small town?
... and spend HOURS in a lovely WalMart parking lot too!
@@HobbyOrganist I live in Texas in a town of 7500 people. There is literally ONE Public EV charger location listed in my city. When I went by that location out of curiosity, there isn't actually even an EV charger at that location, it was mistakenly listed (maybe they removed it?). The nearest beyond that is 20 miles away. And although I'm in a small town, it's within commute distance of Houston - so it's not like I'm really out in bumf nowhere. I would love for EVs to be practical, but they just aren't, and no amount of screaming from activists denying that is going to change it, unless we actually get serious about infrastructure.
@@AlvinBrinson I live in Idaho, and in large parts of the state- there are hardly any gas stations, much less any electric charging stations
Why do people buy into this pain. Even pay extra I can't believe it.
Masochists.
Have owned both. For me the EV is more convenient. I haven't dealt much with public chargers though.
Same reason they vote democrats, who put all this BS on us...
Because most of them 'genuinely' believe they are 'greener' than modern diesel/petrol cars which is plain nonsense.
I get it that cities may need them but beyond there, they would send me round the twist.
I fill my (80 ltrs) tank from empty to full in 3 to 4 minutes and I don't even look at it for over a fortnight.
Faffing around constantly with apps or plugging it in every evening (or, for some, every opportunity!) is not my idea of enjoyable motoring.
And besides, I LOVE my diesel Mercedes❤❤
Most of my driving is short trips around town. That meant my gas mileage was unacceptably poor and I was spending way too much with each fill up. That is why I now have an EV. I have a charger in my garage at home. I plug in overnight about twice a week and by morning, the car is charged and ready to go. I have never needed a public charger. Over the past year, I have not noticed any change in my electricity bill. My power is clean since it comes from a hydro electric generator. How long it takes to charge is irrelevant since it happens while I am asleep. I have not had to pay for any maintenance. In other words, I am not paying any operational costs. I’m a happy EV owner.
I filled up with 98 at a BP, a potty stop and small fries and in 10 minutes I’m back on the road. 👍
EV owners see the saving when they charge at home compared with petrol at the pump. What they often forget (fail to mention) is the price premium on the initial purchase & the far greater depreciation of EV's. Long term, ICE vehicles are cheaper to own than EV's and a lot less stressful.
And how often do you need to fill your car up? Meanwhile EV drivers often only use public chargers 3-4 times a year at most
I didn’t even need to go to BP! I recharged my car whilst I slept at home 👌
@@Clove_Parma😂EV owners use public charging a lot more than 3-4 times a year!!… especially where EV’s are used in the city where there is often a lack of off-street parking or the vehicle is parked in a parking complex and the owner doesn’t have access to a private power receptacle.
Fuel is abundant and quick!!
@@Clove_ParmaThat's it. 15K's of driving in 5 months.. Supercharged twice. :)
OK, so I'm an Aussie living in Orange County and I own a Polestar 2. I really love driving that car and use it every day but we don't road trip it because, well, the non-Tesla public charging network sucks. I charge at home, on a level 2 charger which is 230 volts on a 50amp circuit so it charges at a decent speed. Homes here generally have a 230 volt supply as well as 110 volts; most domestic dryers run on 230 volts. But everyone is moving to the Tesla NACS standard and Tesla is opening up superchargers to other manufacturers. Ford and Rivian are on it already, Polestar within the next few weeks.
I've also rented a Tesla in the US, as well as Polestars in Australia twice and New Zealand once. I tell non-EV owners not to because charging is a hassle you don't need on a trip.
I rented a Tesla to drive from Chicago to Disney and back. I wouldn't buy a Tesla because the seat belt cut across my neck rather than my chest and I never figured out if it was adjustable.
Charging was workable but it was a 25 min. stop at a supercharger so we had to make sure we ate only near chargers and used bathrooms only near chargers which, once, meant we had to impose on a restaurant we weren't eating at. The interesting thing was we got used to seeing the same group of cars charging at each stop so we bonded with a few fellow travelers.
My takeaway, for highways, chargers can't be thought of like regular gas stations but more as amenities at restaurants and rest stops. At least the restaurant owner would have an incentive to make sure the chargers were maintained.
Personally, I plan for my next vehicle to be a plug in hybrid. That way I can charge at home maybe without even a level 2 charger although I am currently looking into installing one to drive on electricity most o the time and when I go out of town, I can buy gas and stop at my preferred restaurants like driving any other car.
I'm beginning to think that the auto industry executives who are "all in" on EV and abandoning both ICE and Hybrid/Range Extender options are "just stupid". The major markets just are not ready for EV.
They want them to be ready and it’s like pushing little kids on two wheels before they even know how to.😂 don’t worry about what problems lie ahead!!! Close your eyes and just pray, nothing will happen!!🙈 this is the current problem when it comes to trucking and the number one reason why everything is more expensive at the grocery store! FYI Same problem just more money and time being spent!!
It's all about the subsidies
They are just answering to their Masters, in the government
Makes ice cars look positively futuristic. Fill up in 5 mins and off you go.
and you don't even need an app to pay
Some 80% of EV owners report they charge at home at night, not at public chargers.
Gasoline cars had the same problems, there were NO gas stations anywhere, to get gas you got it from the hardware store, which IF they carried it had it in a barrel in a shed out back, the clerk had to draw gas from the barrel and funnel it into your tank with a pitcher.
DEMAND led to supply, as demand increased gas stations were built, its the same with EV's
@@HobbyOrganistand what's the predicted timescale for getting as good as ICE serving stations and infrastructure nationwide? 20, 30, 40 years? Why are national governments not making it work while telling us we won't be able to buy ICE in the future because 'they're bad for the planet'? Nothing in EV world makes sense. It's a gigantic scam.
@@HobbyOrganist electric vehicles are heavier = less safe and more abuse on the roads. Also electric generation is currently still with coal, natural gas or nuclear. How exactly is that saving the environment? Not to mention a ICE car will have a longer life than a battery… needing a battery every 5 years regardless if you drive vs ice car that might need some work on it every 100k miles driven regardless of years.
@@svr5423its too bad everything has an app these days. It reminds me of the Jucero scam
I stop at the diesel pump for about 3 minutes and get another 1200km range in the tank. Hard to beat!
L😂L
I would not have the Patience to get into that queue.
And I bet these people do it all the time. ⏳️
Tesla chargers isn’t that crazy, and 90% of time one chargers at home.. and ride is fun compared to any gas guzzlers
Don't you care about Greta's tears ?
@@kuldeuec many people cannot charge at home. I recently had an Uber ride in a Tesla. This guy didn't charge at home. He charged at a supercharg station on his way home.
He said his Tesla cost about the same to run as his previous Camry hybrid. But it cost him about 45 minutes every day to recharge.
He said he was planning to go back to a hybrid, but was worried about the depreciation of the Tesla, especially when compared to the hybrid Camry.
@@kuldeuec Why would you charge at home? Too much of a hazzle.
This is another reason to keep driving my reliable 2002 Lincoln Town Car that has been my daily driver since 2007.
😊😊
You won't be able to kill that thing. They'll always make parts for it.
@ grayrabbit2211-- If I need parts for it, I hope that I can find them. I plan on driving it for many more years.
I live in Burbank. The chargers at Walmart were installed in October 2019 and were completely empty for many years. The problem is the large influx of EVs since 2022. Even the Tesla Superchargers are at capacity most of the time in Burbank, although the wait times are much less and you are guaranteed a minimum of 72 kW. The City of Burbank has public level-2 chargers all over the city (since 2015). You best bet is the leave your EV plugged in overnight at one of those.
The Electric Viking would love this content 😂
lmao.. his take would be ...'if they just banned gas, we could progress EVs faster. clueless that its apparent that basically every parking spot anywhere, needs a charger. just a dozen or so more million chargers away from completion lol
these morons are making it worse than it needed to be by not using home charging. half thats because its like 2 grand for a decent home charger. otherwise its like charging 20,000 phones with one charger lol so they opt out of that and only rely on local charging instead. hense the buttfuk story at that Wal Mart lol
Super conceited guy
He'd be roid raging...
@@volvo24091he, and most of his ilk, just can’t help themselves. Compulsive oblatory smug superior prats. There’s just no need for it. Be honest fair and reasonable.
For Viking, it has nothing to do with logic. It is a religion and this video is blasphemous.
I work for an EV manufacturer and utility in my city can't support multiple vehicles charging at 100kW+ without risking browning out a good chunk of the city at my service center. We have to divide the power to all the vehicles that are in need of charging and it is painful. I don't think people understand just how much power and infrastructure is required to be able to support the level of fast charging people expect and want, even with the current number of EV's out there. 100kW already exceeds average electrical service to a house by a factor of 4 and the wiring to safely allow that much power to support multiple vehicles at L3 voltages would be monstrous. I estimate that charging lot alone at Burbank Empire Center requires half a megawatt at full capacity to charge 8 cars - for reference, the Grayson power station in the neighboring City of Glendale is rated for at least 280 megawatts. To charge 8 cars at 60kW, that would require 0.17% of Grayson power stations capacity, and theoretically, that power plant will only be able to support 4700 cars charging at 60kW which is absolutely paltry compared to what a single gas station serves on a daily basis. Infrastructure and battery technology is still in its infancy and we have so much to do in order to electrify our energy needs.
Thank you for this very insightful response, sir. Your knowledge of the subject is so refreshing. As so often, our politicians know nothing about what it takes to get things done in the real world since they are so far removed from it. They always expect to see results from their mandates and haven't a clue.
You fail to appreciate the fact the technology changes rapidly, the batteries we have at this moment could be totally different in 2,3,5 years, it only takes ONE person in a lab doing experiments to make breakthroughs
@@HobbyOrganist Regardless of battery technology, massive amounts of power must be generated and distributed to be pumped into them.
Yep. It's like there needs to be a separate set of conductors running everywhere to supply that extra power. It better be massive too because that's a lot vehicles. I don't think the people who are pushing for this really have an understanding of electricity let alone what it takes to generate it and distribute it.
This is insanity. What benefit is there to EV's if one needs a diesel powered generator to provide the electrical power? Why not just forget about the EV and use the diesel fuel to power the car? It is more efficient, especially in northern climates where a portion of the EV power is used for interior heat and defrosting and battery power decreases with temperature. The public has once again shown how totally ignorant they are. They have been sucked in by politicians, a group even more stupid and ignorant.
2nd charge was not over an hour, it was from 8.04 to 11 pm. If you can tell time that's 3 HOURS
The part at 16:15 is inaccurate. We have 240V here, which we use in certain cases like ovens and dryers. Chargers, including home chargers, can do this, too. Most of our outlets are 120V because the 240V circuit is split-phase, divided from +120V to -120V, with the ground in the middle. So we can use a normal hot/neutral/ground for most purposes and get 120V, or have 2 hot/2 neutral/ground for when we want 240V.
Additionally, while standard 120V wiring is 15A, there's also the option for 20A wiring with special plugs. I don't know the maximum, but I've seen 240V circuits up to 85A.
You talk crap. Have you had physics in your primary school? Do you know what RMS means? Do you understand what "phase" mean? If it is "no" to all above questions, stop making idiot of yourself
Yeah, this electric 'utopia' is gonna be awesome. 👌
Don’t forget the almost zero resale value of EVs
@@jimsteinway695Teslas selling for $20,000 with 150k miles is 0 value?
Reading your comment, I hear Chris Farley's voice in my head.
Op it will be the bootah reaming of the century
@@yeahbuddy92193911 Yeah but who would buy that? Sooner or later you run out of idiots.
I moved the Fall of 2023. On moving day, I had to drive at least 600 KMs (400 miles) to meet with the movers at my new place. I have the Ioniq 5 EV which can charge at 235 KWs. Not once was I able to stop at a 350KW charging station and had to use 150 to 100KW chargers. No problem until I was counting on the last charge at a 4 station rest stop. 3 out of the 4 were out of service. The only working had a Ford Lightning doing only a 25KW rate; I had to wait, the movers had to wait, my day was a super long one extended by the defective stations (which were only 2 years old). No more EVs for me!
You should have bought a Tesla.
@@cyclopsvision6370 Share a secret with you. if you buy ICE you are allowed by magic to use any recharging station. Even more amazing, each and any of them are super fast as it takes only a couple of minute to refill completly. Amazing isn't it?
@@cyclopsvision6370 Wrong! Should have bought an ICE unless you actually enjoy this sort of nonsense.
Why didn't you charge earlier? Why did you rely on the last charger? It was your fault, not the car's fault. A smart person would stop when the car was at 40-50% charge for 10-20 mins to 80% and get enough juice to finish the journey. If it didn't work he-she would go to the next one. But we are talking about smart persons. Sorry pal, enjoy your ICE car now.
@@chrishar110 a smart person would charge no more than 80% and would stop for recharging at 50%. What a shitty life
In the usa you need to plug into the socket for the clothes dryer etc. These are 220-240v rather than the puny 110v normal wall sockets.
You rarely have to return a rental EV with a full charge
"But it takes only 5 minutes to charge just like gas powered cars!"
Yeah, pretty sure no EV drivers have ever said that. And if they did, they’re lying.
I would absolutely hate going through that. This is literally like stepping 100 years back in time.
27:15 That's only 3.7% of all the cars. Wait until it's higher. Every problem will be far worse.
I never had to wait at the gas station in order to fill up.
I live in Southern California too; a bit further away from Los Angeles, but things are just as bad around here: Not enough stations and the ones that exist are often offline and almost always busy.
I think the biggest problem is that everyone who got a new EV recently (and that's a LOT of people judging from the cars I see in traffic), also got unlimited free charging for a while, and everyone (including me, I admit) clogs up the charging stations even if they could charge at home.
Fortunately I don't drive that much and I can stay up late once a week or so and go charge the car in the middle of the night when there's no line of cars waiting. But even when it's busy and all other stations are in use, I usually get a decent speed (170kW or so) from the chargers that are in my area, so it takes less than a half hour to "fill up".
Anyway, I have a level 2 charger at home so if necessary I can plug in here and I'll certainly do that once my free 2 years of Electrify America run out, because the electricity at my house is not even half the price of what Electrify America charges (and it's still very expensive compared to other parts of the country).
And I'm optimistic that the infrastructure will improve over the next couple of years.
What if you mounted a large gasoline generator in the back of the Rivian and ran it all the time? Seems like the most practical solution.
It’s been done
Then it would be more efficient to just drive a 4 cylinder gas car, or a hybrid. which it is.
Would that vehicle still be called an EV if it's reliant on a diesel generator to keep it going?
@@markprinsloo4258
It’s as much an EV whether it gets its electricity directly from a fossil fueled generator in the truck bed or from a fossil fueled power plant hundreds of miles away. At least with a generator on board you have the piece of mind knowing your going to get home.
Naw, 50 mile extension cord...
So, how did you enjoy your holiday in LA. Great! I visited hundreds of chargers, it was an amazing experience.
I think the idea here is that you buy 2 at a time , one is on charge at home while you're driving the other one, then swap over to the charged one and repeat. Great concept when you think about it.
Twice the depreciation, twice the strain on the already-failing electrical grid. What's not to love?
So how does charging work when California does it rolling blackouts and people don’t have electricity, what then?
You meant Texas for blackouts.
The difference between the RAV4 experience and the Riven shows why the CEO of Toyota has said they will stick with hybrids for the foreseeable future.
Toyota made an EV, the BZX4. Range is rubbish though.
No problems with our Model Ys. Charge every night in our garage while we sleep. Road trips very easy with 27,000 very reliable Superchargers. I'll never go back to gas. And hybrids? I rather have a gas car than a hybrid.
@@777Outrigger Why rather gas than hybrid?
@@siraff4461 Added complexity. .... And you still have to do all the ICE maintenance, like oil changes, transmission fluid changes, spark plug changes, etc., etc. I'd feel like I had a gas car with just a tiny battery. All the advantages that hybrids supposedly have over BEVs, like no range anxiety, just doesn't jive with my experience.
@@777Outrigger I've owned a Kuga (Escape) phev for about three years now from new. It was the replacement for the model S after I rejected it and sent it back - after a lot of headaches.
I've had ev's since 2010 and most have similar issues - out of range they are generally a complete pain and that range is much lower in the cold on a motorway in the first place. I always had another vehicle available because there are journeys I do which they simply couldn't in the timeframe I have - including the Tesla.
Please don't make me laugh with the servicing nonsense. The Leaf needed a battery at 4 years old and Nissan took the car back at book price after a solicitors letter since I wasn't willing to pay over £10k to have it repaired - especially since it was allegedly still under warranty. Apparently if you charge it on rapids a lot (which you need to in a gen 1 Leaf if you want to go anywhere) they try to void it. That was after an elelctronic handbrake failure and a few glitches in the electronics which turned out to be a duff 12v.
The Kuga has had inspections each year. It doesn't need oil until year four, plugs are lifetime, trans is CVT and sealed for life, etc.
In three years its needed a pair of front tyres and a cabin filter. Servicing was included in the price up until 5 years old.
The Zoe needed a yearly "service" which seemed to be a similar inspection. Difference being it cost almost £300 each time for no reason I could fathom. It also went through two sets of fronts in two years with no reason I could see for it doing so, had leaking front door seals and a satnav which always thought I was in a certain place around 15 miles from me.
Then there was the Tesla. over £80k and turned up looking like it had been crashed and badly repaired. Then the frunk wouldn't open. Then the passsenger door handle failed. Then the trim inside the trunk lid fell off. Then there was water ingress in the boot. Then there was a rear brake issue. Then there was some sensor issue which put it in a mode to only crawl onto a trailer.
On it went one thing after another.
While electric was ultra cheap it was sort of worth it but now its just daft. Between the massive rise in electricity costs, the massive rise in insurance for ev's and the depreciation hit - not to mention the extra finance or loss of capital for the higher cost of entry - its all one way.
Then whenever you're looking for a charger or waiting charging you could be doing something useful.
Would you go to work for free? If not add your hourly rate to however long you spend on detours or charging. Its not a small ammount over a year and thats with me having a house where I can charge.
Speaking of which my home insurance also stipulated ev's should not be charged within three meters of any building on the property or it voids the policy - with the option to allow it almost tripling the premium.
I can't imagine they would do that for nothing.
Given our most valuable commodity in life is time, I'm avoiding EV's for sure.
To be honest, how long do you spend filling up your car every week? If you can charge an EV at home, then you are saving more of that precious time you mention. If you are not making a heap of road trips that need you to charge in order to get to your destination, then you won't be using up that time waiting for a charger. I have both an EV and diesel SUV and actually prefer the EV on a day to day basis.
AMEN to that
@@louthomas3466 How about those rare times people do a road trip every year? Also as people age things happen requiring long trips. My Uncle who was recently diagnosed with cancer and lives in a small town has to travel 300km to a major city a few times a week to meet his appointments. I was asked to drive him a couple times while he was tried and going through consultations and treatments. About 50 so far over the last 2 years. I'm not willing to go through this with an EV and what a disaster it could be.
@@louthomas3466Nearly no one can afford two new cars if your middle class and trying to budget money well. Thats only for rich people.
You must realise this isn't the reality for most EV owners. I have owned one for 4 years and never seen such a situation. I plug it in at night when I got to bed and it's full every single morning. That is the reality for MOST EV owners. Also this video highlights the issue with not having a Tesla and relying on public infrastructure. Teslas have access to a huge charging network and I have never encountered such an issue.
Very good honest video! We live in NorCal with a Tesla and have a home level 2 charger. Haven't had to charge on the road yet, but your experience has been shared by others. Love Rivian BTW!!
Paul. You did an absolutely piss poor job of convincing me to get an EV. 😂
I'll stick with my Kia Stinger GT.
You must realise this isn't the reality for most EV owners. I have owned one for 4 years and never seen such a situation. I plug it in at night when I got to bed and it's full every single morning. That is the reality for MOST EV owners. Also this video highlights the issue with not having a Tesla and relying on public infrastructure. Teslas have access to a huge charging network and I have never encountered such an issue.
@@lamborghini0610literally lmao^
and me with my sportage ahah
@@lamborghini0610 A Tesla supercharger is just a box full of electronic components connected to the grid, exactly like every other EV charger. They use the same electricity, take just as long to charge the battery, and cost just as much to use. The only difference is that Elon downloads all your data and sells it on to third parties for nefarious reasons. The so-called Tesla advantage is a myth. It doesn't exist.
I'll stick to my petrol and diesel cars.😂
At a dinner party, a guest told me about his relatives who excitedly chose the EV hire car option to start their (recent) 2-week European holiday. The excitement lasted 5 mins, and they said the car completely destroyed their holiday; they were in constant state of anxiety and search to maintain the battery with enough charge - what a joke !
Is it not rather obvious it's a really bad idea to rent an EV for a road trip along unknown routes?
@@SweBeach2023 Absolutely, I would never do it, but I’m assuming they got caught up in the excitement of the EV experience, a spur of the moment thing…
@@127Foxtrot they probably happily wore their useless paper masks the whole time.
@SweBeach2023
@@SweBeach2023
Is it not rather obvious it's a really bad idea to buy an EV?
joke yes if you dont get a tesla/ the only company responsible enough not to play jokes with that.
This was one of your most interesting videos, and I've watched a lot! Thanks.
7am? way too late, you gotta be there by 3 or 4 at the latest and get a good spot in line... hahaha
I hope you realize, you are doing Australia a GREAT SERVICE. thanks
Not only Australia
I won’t even cue for fuel, unless I’m beyond empty
Yep 30 seconds of my time to charge at work or at home is way easier than cueing for fuel.
It is 'queue' not 'cue'.
Queue.
@@wigs1098 either way you're snookered owning an ev.
@@dickwilliam3793 ...what a lovely pun(ter)... 😂
Many of my neighbors have EVs and it works for them because it is not their only vehicle, they can charge at home and the EV never travels more than a full charge round trip. I penciled it out and for me to replace a petrol car with an EV is not less expensive per mile and while I am chasing carbon-neutrality in miles and years, all I am doing is polluting the air in someone else’s neighborhood. I have an outlet for when my RV is in the driveway while being prepared for traveling. It is capable of providing maximum at home charging for an EV if ever I get one. A friend stopped by for what I thought was a quick visit and when I saw him digging around for an adapter, I told him, “Sure, and you get 25¢/kW with the good buddy discount.” So, tell me what Miss Manners says about EV etiquette. When friends and family show up for a weekend and they need a charge for the return trip, I can see some awkward conversations happening.
Every person thinking about buying an EV should watch this video. Drove from Atlanta to Bergen county New Jersey ( 974 miles), filled my Honda Accord twice with gasoline, trip took 15 hours , if you can do that with an EV!!!! I'll buy one. LOL
Every time I heard " unless you have a Tesla"... Yet people are still buying other EVs.
I can't even imagine having the patience for this....going through this disaster and with maybe 1% of the people actually having an EV.....you could wait months to charge your car.....wow.
Fascinating video, basically unless you are able to do the bulk of your vehicle charging at home, you are much better off with a good hybrid or PHEV vehicle than an EV currently. I have often wondered how the economics of public charging really stacks up as a charger has a much smaller cash turnover than a petrol bowser because it can only service at best 1-2 vehicles an hour which might explain why they are often poorly maintained.
I really like your point about the charger and $$ turnover etc. Not thought about that before.
DC Fast charging costs $0.40-$0.50 per kWh, the equivalent of 20-25 mpg depending on your fuel economy and $/gallon. Buying a gallon of gasoline is a flat $3.20 (or whatever) for 34kwh. The issue is the "demand charges" for the electric utility service. Residential electric you only pay $/kwh. Commercial Services could add $12 - $40 PER KW (depending on the utility tariff and time of year)! A 350kW Charger electric meter may have to pay 350kw*$12/kw = $4200 per month AND the $/kWh.
I can charge at work for free.
Liberals don't understand economics. They believe in magical thinking.
Correct. And we own two EVs. But also a Tacoma. 😅
a battery swapping service might be preferable to that nightmare.
Battery swapping? Sounds like an expensive undertaking. The major cost of an EV is the battery. They deteriorate with time. Anyone want to play Russian roulette with their EV battery?
Battery swapping would be even more complex. Not every battery is going to be in the same condition and you'd still need to have a battery with full charge with the same charging time.
This is by far the most entertaining EV video ever made. This was my third time watching. ROTFLMAO! It even has a touch of reluctant honesty! I gotta take a break from it every few minutes as the extreme laughter takes my breath away. Thank you! Excellent video with a nasty taste of reality.
My conclusion from watching this is that it's a massive stress having an ev without having a decent charger at home
or having a Tesla (who have their own excellent charging network)
Charging anxiety……go with a hybrid. With the cost of gas and the amount of driving I do, the difference over a year is $1,000 or $20 a week, so the cost savings is minimal
That’s a fair conclusion on this day at this location.
Especially doing back to back long trips. If I get home after a long trip I usually don't really go far for the next day or two, so a wall outlet has some time to get me back up to a decent state of charge. And I'm using an Australian 240V outlet, not a US 120V outlet.
i could probably use an electric car if i could charge at home, but as a renter that'll never happen. parking is too far from electric supply and my landlord moans about cost of a 30c tap washer (that they claim on tax), so is unlikely to pay to put in a charging system, which for an apartment complex would be 10s of thousands of dollars.
😂😂 you have convinced me, not to bother with an EV car and stick to a dirty Diesel instead.😊😊😊
What's superior in every way is LPG; Australia is self-sufficient, the fuel has the lowest emissions of any fossil fuel, has the highest octane rating, burns clean so oil change intervals can be extended, can't foul the environment like petrol or diesel.
@@petesmittburns 3x as quick and is available almost nowhere
@@effigy42 20% less energy, not 300% and the cheaper price easily makes up for the discrepancy; LPG is everywhere in Melbourne but it's true that the market for LPG is shrinking, given that the taxi and courier fleet no longer all run on LPG, as they did back in the good old days.
@@petesmittyou’re a smart man 👌🏻
You must realise this isn't the reality for most EV owners. I have owned one for 4 years and never seen such a situation. I plug it in at night when I got to bed and it's full every single morning. That is the reality for MOST EV owners. Also this video highlights the issue with not having a Tesla and relying on public infrastructure. Teslas have access to a huge charging network and I have never encountered such an issue.
55 mpg equivalent in Toyota Hybrid tells me hybrids are super!
45 mpg equivalent in a Renault Arkane hybrid ditto.
I'm happy with my hybrids. A 21 Highlander and a 23 Prius. The Prius gets consistently between 49-51 and the Highlander 24-26. Both vehicles are AWD and I can fill them up in minutes.
That's more like it , they should have gone all hybrid then eased in full electric slowly 🐌 when more charge stations are built, but the politicians are all NUTS.😅
As an EV owner in Australia, I feel your public charging pain.
ev owners need to join together and start destroying the chargers that constantly fail so others dont waste time trying to connect..
Why didn’t you buy a Tesla? Silly to buy anything else. 😂😂😂😂
@@205rider8 I did. Tesla chargers are few and far between.
@@Gedsterboy So what was your motivation to buy one considering these things have been common knowledge here for a long time now?
Do some research and you may find that some of them are owned by dirty oil companies.
It is their mission to leave them broke to persuade the public not to go EV.
Instavolt was brought by dirty oil.. Its prices were hiked too.
You don't see broken petrol pumps. You also don't see petrol pumps that only accept a sign up app in order to fill up.
Just a card and a pin.
Card and pin works against theft.
Wireless doesn't.
The systems rigged and the companies should be fined and banned from entering the EV market.
2 years ago my wife and I were considering purchasing a BEV for our next car but because of the poor charging infrastructure we decided against it and ordered a Rav4 Cruiser Hybrid. After waiting 18months it arrived and we've had it nearly 4 months and are very happy with its economical running cost and no queuing for fuel. It's now done nearly 2000km and has only been refuelled 3 times with mostly suburban travel. So no fully electric car in our future as the Rav4 will probably be our last car because of our age.
The Toyota hybrids are the benchmark, yet they are relatively conservatively engineered. If EV batteries improve significantly, the Toyota hybrids should be more impressive.
I would like to become fully electric with solar, tesla power wall and ev. Due to my age I am probably going all out tesla. I do have issues with all automotive costs including insurance and repairs. I don't need any of these wants as Uber and Enterprise serve my driving needs nicely and my electric bill ranges from 30 to 40 dollars monthly.
I ordered a new Sienna,and one year later it was delivered. I ordered a 2023, but got a 2024 for the same price and with more options. I average 32 running around town. Ironically, it gets better mileage than my wife’s fuel efficient smaller car.
@@timothykeith1367 My gripe with the Toyotas is the fuel economy isn't so great.
My full German luxury barge gets 43.5MPG average, and it's a no-compromise machine. Just the options alone added an extra 500+ lbs. I wanted the hybrid version which I was getting 85MPG when I drove one in Europe, but the US government wouldn't allow it. The key for me is that my car will drop the engine out at highway speeds, whereas Toyota requires the engine be running once you get above ~20-25mph. I do a ton of highway driving.
I'll never knock Toyota for reliability and parts cost though. They make simple machines and do a great job at it.
@@timothykeith1367 Toyota understands that less is more when it comes to batteries...They put a battery just big enough to do your daily commuting in, so you can plug it into a standard outlet at home at night without having to rewire your entire house and have it ready for the next morning. Vs for example that Rivian, which has such a massive battery that if you plugged it into a 120 on a cold day would use up all that power just keeping the battery warm
JFC! This is worse than the gas shortages in the 70s! 😂
Do you include the amount of time standing in queue as part of 'charging time'?
I work from home and have a big solar system which i installed 5 years ago assuming that i would be getting an EV at some point. My opinion has changed over the years and there is absolutely no way I will be buying an EV in the next 10-15 years. (Regional city in Australia)
The US is 110v
Depends on how far you generally travel in a day. If you can charge from your own solar and you don't go further than the range of your car in a day, none of this would affect you. Even on a long trip, a lot of this seems to be down to the low mains voltage in the USA. A lot of people who drive EVs in Australia say they get on fine.
"Regional city in Australia WTF do you mean by Regional Australia? That could mean 200km or less from nearest big city. Any 400km Range BEV would be perfect for you use case. I use work all over the Gippsland region. The regional office / equipment yard was in Morwell. Having a 400km Range BEV would of been very easy to deal with.
@@moragkerr957795% of days I am at home or traveling nearby. Its the other 20-30 days a year when i aren't that are a problem. Most xmas and Easter holidays involve long road trips to see family. Route planning, hoping EV chargers are working and queuing for other EV's in peak periods isn't something I'm not prepared to do.
Oh, if you have solar, charging is “free”. Just talk to a Teslite. You don’t worry about the cost/opportunity cost of the panels, nor the cost of the electricity needed for your home because you put it in your car instead. It’s like “girl math”.
Ah yes, a nice relaxing drive in your EV.
😂
EVangelicals don’t think your comment is funny.
@@namechecksout6300 no it is reality. but it is also 1% of EV ownership
@@namechecksout6300The sarcasm is not wasted on me. 😂
This is nuts. Why would anyone want to go through this?
Bc KlaussSchwab said so. That's the FACT
GREAT video sure provides perspective
jr
I know others have said the same thing but if I can’t pull straight into a diesel fuel pump, jump out and start filling up then I go to another station. My time (tradie) is far too valuable for that electric malarkey, I’d go broke at that rate.
You can also throw some jerry cans in the back if you're going out woop woop; cant put electrons in a container like that.
@@deanchur You can carry a spare powerbank with a 230V inverter to recharge your BEV :)
@@svr5423 and get less than 1 mile of charge with that powerbank.
John Cadogan reported about a month ago that a charger company in Australia pulled out because it's not economically viable to install chargers, and the reason is because of throughput.
A gas pump can service 10-12 cars an hour whereas an EV can only do 1-2. The uptime of EV chargers looks to be far lower than gas pumps as well, so now you've got those downtime and repair costs as well.
Ev charges rarely do more than 1 car an hour in real life conditions
Its worse than that because those 10-12 cars will be gaining far more distance in that time too.
Average tank, average ice is going to easily take you 500m/800km - some more than double that.
Average gain to an ev in an hour?
Well on a 50kW charger best case would be 50kWh which is somewhere between 100 and 150 miles in most cars. IF it can charge at 150kW for an hour (most can't) and if the charger supports it then in theory it could be as much as 450mi.
So you only need between 12 and 60 chargers to match the output of each pump.
So on most forecourts (10-20 pumps) thats between 120 and 1200 chargers.
Lets call it 500 for a nice round average. I would dearly love to see the nightmare plans to rip up half of the country for the power feed needed to supply that.
As soon as a EV battery will recharge from 20 to 80 % within 5 minutes, I will buy a EV.
2035 ?
In theory, DC fast charge stations should be substantially lower maintenance than gas pumps; they don't have nearly as many moving parts, and don't need to deal with pumping a volatile fluid through them constantly and don't require periodic deliveries of gas to the station to keep energy flowing. Other than some cooling loops, it's all solid-state electronics.
In practice, all the first-generation hardware has had growing pains that has prevented them from being economical. Eventually the stations should be very low-cost to operate once the kinks are worked out, but that's not the reality today.
@@siraff4461 800 km on a tank of gas? Most vehicles don't have something that big, perhaps 500km though for the average vehicle and driving reasonably, not speeding down the highway.
in my area of ca ppl have been cutting charge cords to recycle the metals
56 cents per kWh is super expensive too. It's more expensive than gas would be for a 27 mpg car assuming you get 3 mi per kWh electric.
Who only gets 27MPG? I drive a full-on luxury BARGE with another 500+lbs of options on it and get 43.5MPG average. NOT a hybrid either.
Don't forget the effect running air con in an ev has on battery capacity and range for those who live in hot climates !
and EV performance is even worse in cold climates. Look at all the dead Teslas in Chicago this year.
That line of cars at the public charging at Walmart was crazy. If you don't have a charger at home then why have an EV?
To pretend to be a planet savior
Because Ride Sharing drivers want to use them because it's more profitable. That's the only reason to live with an EV if you don't have permanent private charging. It doesn't have to be at home, some people have regular schedule jobs and drive to chargers at work.
@@Neojhun Bingo, and probably the biggest problem in terms of their useage. You literally see them running laps between superchargers (when I owned a Tesla) and between public chargers (now that I own another EV). They've literally become taxi refueling stations in some locations as a result.
Virtue signaling is VERY important to people here in Southern California.
First it was Prius. Then Range Rover. Now Tesla. Seems to maybe be moving to Rivian.
Gotta keep up with the Jones.
Just buy a Tesla! Use your brains instead of your emotions. Why even bother buying other EVs??
Funny, we just drove to LA from Houston in R1S. With the adapter we charged at Tesla superchargers with the exception of 3 Rivian chargers and 1 EA. Arriving in LA we went to Santa Monica 60 stall SC. All smooth. Would not attempt the trip without the SC access.
I am going to keep my hybrids then. Thank you.
I loved my 2011 nissan leaf 29000 miles from new . overnight and lost two battery capacity bars . meaning it was no longer possible to leave the village as the new reduced range meant that I would not reach the first charger on the motorway . My new KIA PICANTO is an amazing runabout 3.9l per 100km .and only 287 km from new .
No way! Just oblivious we are putting the cart before the horse.
So have you made another video since Rivian got access to the Supercharger network. Or was it done on purpose BEFORE they got access?
Most people when on holiday, bring back photographs of, the beach, the hotel pool, the pyramids, stately homes, etc. And any other tourist attraction. EV owners bring back pics of charging stations and long queues. Great holidays.
@CarExpert YT algorithm just brought me to this video and I have to say (as a German EVdriver/owner) that all my complains on our German charging network are blown away ...
Seems we´re in a pretty well set up charging environment here.
Yes, there are certain less reliable charging networks (usually unreliable due to poor charging hardware) but it´s easy to circumvent those ...
Generally you can find a suitable and availlable charger almost anywhere you need it.
There are a few areas with much lower population density and resulting greater distances between charging points but somehow there´s always something availlable.
It´s really rare having to queue up for charging (happens particularily during peak travel times - but certain gas stations are overwhelmed during these times , too ...)
And if no fast charging network is availlable when you need it there´s always a 11/22kW charger that gets enough juice to reach the next HPC.
The fact all of Europe uses 220V (instead of the American 110V) also helps when you need to use your own mobile charger as a last resort.
Our German power grid seems to be way more capable than the American which can be seen when multiple chargers in one place are not heavily restricted in power output if used simultanously.
It´s rather the charger hardware that´s the restricting piece in the chain ...
(e.g. a nominal 150kW HPC charger consisting of 2x75kW modules providing only 75kW to each vehicle when two cars are charging at the same charger)
Paul, I think your video should be mandatory viewing for every politician in Australia.
I’m a 72 year old who said two years ago that the big push for EV’s is too early. I also stated at the time that it would take ten more years of R&D to refine and implement a sustainable infrastructure in Australia.
After watching your experiences in the US I now suspect I wasn’t far off my estimate.
I like the EV concept and I support it but no one is demonstrating they have a serious sustainable grid solution (Lots of promises by key decision makers who don’t understand what’s really involved)
Me I’m sticking to my smelly diesel for a year or two at least.
Gavin Newsom and all the California Legislators should be forced to drive non Tesla EVs for a month, and watch your video.
You mentioned at the beginning that if you have a Tesla you don't need to worry. Just to give details to that, I have a Tesla long range and have 240v in the garage and never charge unless on a road trip. I live in southern NV and have taken two road trips. One to Miami and back and one to Nashville and back. Max time spent charging was 20 mins, straight plug and forget it, where I snacked, ate or stretched my legs. I have a 100 KW battery that costs $17 to fill and I get real world about 340 miles. My wife's Camry V6 does also about 340 miles to a tank at a cost of $67 to fill. Your AirBnB socket was only 110v. Go Tesla, the only game in town.
Nearly every home in the US has 240v.
exactly what I experienced with superchargers when we went on a road trip. waited half hour to get 10 mins of charging. EVs not ready yet.
I believe the easier summary for this vid is get an EV if its a Tesla or you have fast home charging. Dont get an EV if its not Tesla AND you're doing long trips AND relying on public charging
That sounds like a solution but not feasible going forward. Most houses have a 50 amp house supply some have 80. When EVs become more popular . The draw on the system will be greater so Energex or Ergon or whoever controls the electricity supply in your area will only allow you to charge a vehicle at the higher charge rate on certain days. They won’t be running more wire up the streets so we can draw more.
Do you get time credit for charge time on a rental car?
yeah..... I def feel your pain.... A Lesson I learned on my last trip was to always get an airbnb with EV charging station. I drove my rivian to a Corpus Christie Texas a few weeks backs which only had only 3 fast chargers for the city which was always occupied.
I absolutely hate waiting in long lines and waiting around being bored electric cars are definitely not for me
North America has 240 volts almost everywhere! For 120 volt outlets, we use split phase distribution in buildings but "big" appliances (ranges, dryers, baseboard heaters, pool filters, welders, etc.) are wired to 240 volts typically. When you add a circuit for an E.V., it should use 240 volts!
But >95% of outlets are 110v. When the house was built and an outlet was installed by the driveway so you could vacuum the car it would have been a 110v outlet. Upgrading it to 240V is mostly not a simple or cheap process if the wiring needs to be replaced.
Spot on! I use a 240V/20A circuit for charging my EV. That gives me ~3.6kW, 2.5x faster than a 110V circuit. I recover my 40 miles daily commute between when I plug in when I get home (or whichever kid wins the "it's my turn!" argument) and before I go to bed. I'm fortunate to be a home owner though.
And the cost of paying an electrician for home charging pays for itself instead of buying gasoline within 16 months.
Yes most people don't realise that 240v is the standard feed into US residential panels.
Australia does have relatively easy access to 415v 3 phase if you're willing to pay for the upgrade, and really want/need faster home changing.
Yes, but that's ONLY if you intentionally install on a 20A breaker a dedicated charger (an Ohme, Siemens, nema socket). He's referring to your standard plug socket where you plug in the slow 2-3Kw charger - Americans ARE penalised on this one being limited to 110V. Apart from that, yes absolutely true that you have 220V in your homes on separate bus bars.
@@shaun2072I call BS on that comment. It is not easy or cheap to get 3 phase in Aust even if it runs past your house. It costs several K, you have to apply and a new switch board. Pls tell truth not half baked lies!
Imagine when everyone is driving an EV. There's gonna be a line from here to Pittsburgh.
People fail to realise how much kwh of energy a diesel/petrol vehicle would put into the gas tanks. 60 litre diesel tank would fill up 600kwh of energy in under 2 minutes. I don't think batteries would ever able to comepte with that kind of speed.
I had severe range anxiety watching this. Zero chance I would buy an EV anytime this side of 2050 love your work Paul
lol what an idiotic statement
You will in six years if you don’t want to take the bus
@@1mouseman You won't be able to take the bus because all of them will be dead or waiting to charge.
This channel is a great advocate for diesel and ULP 🎉
In your video you said charging in Australia was faster than the United States because it uses 230VAC while the US is 120VAC. That is true for the standard home electrical and electronic equipment. However, in the United States major appliances use 240VAC. Power to American homes comes in 3 wires. #1 120VAC, #2 Neutral, #3 120VAC. For 120VAC you use either #1 or #3 with #2. For 240VAC you use #1 with #3.
In the United States for EVs there are three levels for charging:
Level 1 (Standard AC/120VAC): 20 hours to fully charge an EV battery.
Level 2 (Fast AC/240AC): Charges twice as fast as Level 1.
Level 3 (DC Fast): It can charge up to 80% in as little as 30 minutes.
If you weren't in a hurry you could plug into a standard 120VAC outlet to charge your EV (Level 1). If you buy and install a dedicated EV charging station for your home it would charge a lot faster because it would use a 240VAC connection (Level 2). Level 3 is for commercially operated charging only.
This all says that it is true you can charge faster in Australia than the United States using standard AC outlets in each country. However, you can make up for that by buying a dedicated EV charging station for your home.
Where I live in Missouri, the closest public charging for any electric vehicle is about 1 hour away.
I live in semi-rural area in a town of 4,500.
It's the largest town in the county.
I'm a Tesla owner in regional Australia. I've queued for a charger just once in 18 months of ownership and that was for 10 minutes during Christmas/New Year. All my local driving is free from my home solar.
While it's true that public chargers are unreliable, slow and often broken, I am fortunate that I've rarely had to use one. Tesla's superchargers show that EV charging can be convenient, reliable and fast. On most of my road trips I barely have time to get out of the car before it's back up to 90% and ready to go.
One other thing, when I do road trips I usually charge overnight as well which can add 200km of range even on a standard power outlet. One problem in America is they run on 120V so car charging on a standard outlet is twice as slow there.
Yep... you convinced me... to stay with my 24 year old petrol 4WD here in AUS. 😎🇦🇺
Great motivational video... for buying a hybrid or plug-in hybrid vehicle. Or even a regular gas vehicle! Thanks! What a way to spend your day (and night)!
@23:08 Funny, that was my daughter's college. That was a relatively new installation. Glad it was one of the few operational. 😁👍🏾
Good comparison video Rivian vs Rav, Pauls face and smile just priceless when he says back in the Rav.