Making MONEY in a manual machine shop
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Money for jam, turning, broaching, clocking, chucking, manual machining parts on a lathe face plate.
Welcome back, this week I had a small paid manual machining job for one of my subscribers Grant. So I'll be using the old Colchester Master 2500 lathe to turn his steel shaft pins and modify his CNC billet pulley.
Humpty Dumpty or not Aaron the customer will be pleased. Shed money for you and a ride along for all of us. Win Win Win thanks for sharing.
G'day Doug and thanks mate. Absolutely, any money is win for me. Until my wife sniffs it out and spends it LOL. Cheers Aaron.
Thanks Aaron - great job. Glad it wasn't me trying to sort out all of the issues!!
G'day Grant. No worries at all mate. The good thing about a RUclips video, is it allows you to see what actually goes into what seems to be simple job. Was great seeing you mate and thanks for the work. Next on the to do list will be those CNC machined parts. Cheers, Aaron.
Yeah that black bar, I use it a lot, its nice enough once you get used to it mate
G’day Ralfy. Yes it’s ok mate, dirty stuff though. I’ve been spoilt using bright mild and other stuff 😂. Cheers 🍻
Nice set up on the lathe and it all worked out that's what we do, work with what we have
Good Job
Cheers Mate
G'day Fred. Thanks for the feedback mate. Not nearly as nice as your laser project though. I was just watching your update. Truly amazing mate. Cheers, Aaron.
Interesting video Aaron, would never have thought of using the face plate for that job, cheers pal 👍
G’day Terry. Yes I wanted to do something different. I could have done it on the milling machine with a boring head. But not broach it successfully on the mill with my current set up. Thanks for watching buddy. Cheers 🍻, Aaron
Another great video Aaron 👍😊 and the Colchester do what it's best at 😁 producing great parts, and money in the owners pocket 😁. I got mine cheap. But it didn't take many hours for it to earn itself 😊
Thanks for stopping by and watching the video. Yes the old Colchester is a beautiful lathe. However, I still need to find some money to add the Multiflix toolpost and digital read out. Then it would be a world beater. Hope you're well buddy? Cheers, Aaron.
Fair bit of panting going one while cutting the keyway , i wonder what you were thinking !!! Great job . Cheers .
Hahaha. Not wrong Max the big boy was a “huffin & a puffin”! Dianne had to come out and give me a Chiko roll infused injection to keep me going 🤣
Gday Aaron, black bar is a turd to machine but with a bit of polishing it’s not to bad, the pulley turned out good, did you consider us boring head to get out to size?, nothing wrong with the keyway mate, great video, cheers
G'day Matty. I agree buddy, that black bar is a real sht to machine. The sharp HSS tool worked much better then the carbide tool. You're right, a quick tickle with some linishing tape and voila. I was going to machine the pulley on the mill with a boring head, but decided to change it up with a faceplate on the lathe. Cheers buddy 🍻, Aaron.
Hello Aaron,
Good video... Great to see you using the faceplate, now you got is back into service hopefully we'll see more of it... Pleased the Colchester is starting to pay for itself.
Take care.
Paul,,
G’day Paul. I still need to reply to your email, sorry I’m such a slack arse. Thanks mate, I had fun doing this video and hopefully the customer is happy with it. Cheers 🍻, Aaron
First lathe i ever used was the Colchester at tafe. beautiful machine. nice tricks machining them pins
G’day Steve. Yes the Colchester is a beautiful old girl to use. I’m very lucky to have it. She was destined for scrap when I got it. Cheers 🍻
Love the channel mate, fresh sub today👍👌🇦🇺
Thank you 🙏. Welcome aboard 👍🍻
wonderful, cheers from Florida, USA....Paul
Hi Paul 👋, thanks mate I hope everything is well over in Florida. I hear it’s a beautiful place. Cheers 🍻
things are great.....best wishes, Paul@@AaronEngineering
G’day Aaron. Good ol’ black bar for the price of machinable steel black is good and mine comes with plenty of rust free. Good to see the faceplate being used, no one uses them much but I did when building the gingery mill, too many odd shaped components.
Well done.
Cheers
Peter
Good morning Peter. Always great to hear from you buddy. Yes I agree. It's one of those lathe accessories that gets overlooked and not used to often. TBH and from memory, this is probably only the 3rd time that I've ever used one (in 38 years of being the trade). However, it's good to keep my hand in mate. I think that's the problem with many teachers these days, most just don't practise what they preach.
As for the gingerly mill, you've done an amazing job on that machine and it's a true credit and testament of your knowledge and skills mate. Us old school mechanics get overlooked don't we mate 😉. Cheers, Aaron.
I have to resort to humpty dumpty broaching too 🤣. Those cheap boring bars that take 1/4" or 6mm hss tool blanks work quite well though... well they work ok I guess 😏. For as much broaching I do it just doesn't justify buying a $500 broach set. Thanks for the share, Aaron! Cheers! 😁
Hey buddy how's things? Thanks for stopping by and taking a look at my video. Yes, I needed some larger tool steel to grind down to do this keyway. I only had 1/4" & 5/16" which are both under 8mm (bugger). So it was 2 x 4mm stacked parting blades for the win. I would love a broach set and press. But the lathe needs a Multiflix tool post and DRO before I can buy those. I'll send that email now. Cheers, Aaron.
I need to make a similar pulley with a similar OD. How would you go about turning the convex radius accurately on a manual lathe? (I'm Melbourne based as well!). Cheers.
Hey mate how’s it going? I would probably cheat and CNC machine it at work. You could also use an old copy turn set up to perform the operation.
I sacrificed an Allen key. Perfect size, grind it into a broach. -and that's Humpty Dumpty lol
I've been thinking. Me and you just might be related Anthony 🤣
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the kings horses and all the kings men said "Fuck him, he's only an egg"
G'day Bill. Hope you're well mate? Yes my brother coined the phrase "humpty dumpty building company" so now it's stuck. Especially if we are doing dodgy or not to textbook work. Thanks for watching Bill. Cheers from Melbourne, Aaron.
All goo mate, cheers. Down here we'd call a dodgy job "a bit how ya goin or she'll be apples" 😁
Enjoyed the video! Thanks
Hi Daniel, glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for tuning in. Cheers, Aaron
I will be watching it soon.
Thanks Chris 👍🍻
Awesome job!
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.
The real question is how do you like your Syil X7, been looking at buying one myself.
Great machine. Good bang for buck 👍
Hey Aaron,
Good clear explanations.
The pulley is Convex on face, Why ?
Does that help keep the sander belt lined up with other pulleys / wheels.
Better get some HSS bar to make a keyway cutter.
9.8 / 10 🤪
Morning Chris. You nailed it on the head mate. The pulley is shaped like that to help track the belt. A belt will always ride to the high point of the pulley. Glad you enjoyed the video mate. A little different today, as I posted the video in the morning instead of the afternoon. Cheers 🍻, Aaron.
These are my kind of guys...not by the book....read the book....get it done with what you got and get as close to perfect as you can. Gives me motivation to keep machining with the resources I have!!! Dont be the guy that has snap on wrenches and cant fix shit.
Thanks mate 🙏. I try hard and and like to share what I do with others. Good for my students to see too. That way I practice what I preach to them. Cheers 🍻 Aaron
Hi Aaron, good content thank you!
G’day Hein. Thanks mate I appreciate the support buddy 👍😂
Hi Az
Another really good ‘legacy’ vid there mate 👍
We rarely see faceplate work these days… great setup 👍.
Probably not easy with a long bar like that… but an excellent antidote for that black bar mill scale, is ordinary cleaning vinegar ( cheap as chips too).
Cleans the bar up into a finish a bit like sandblasting..
It’s still a bastard to machine, but the HSS tools last a bit better and it doesn’t spread that mill scale / oil all over your ways 😖.
If there is rust on it, a couple of tablespoons of salt in the vinegar works wonders. Takes about 24 hrs though..
Nice work with the keyway too mate 👏👏
Use/adapt the tools you’ve got eh?
I’m fortunate to have a full imperial and metric Minuteman set of broaches…. but the old manual press is a bit hard to use.
I’ll have to save the pennies and invest in one of those Hairy Forbes hydraulic jobs eh 😎
Fond regards,
Grasshopper
G’day Robert. In regards to the faceplate mate I agree. Probably only the 2nd or 3rd time that I’ve used one in my entire life. Most people would’ve bored that pulley in the mill (as I nearly did), but I thought the faceplate would make for better RUclips viewing. I did read somewhere about the vinegar but have never tried it. So it will actually remove that mill scale after soaking it for 24hrs? Yes I need a cheap hydraulic press and set of broaches Robert. Broaching in the lathe like that is so Humpty Dumpty 🤦♂️. Thanks for watching mate. Talk soon 👍🍻
Hello Aaron, I saw that thumbnail and thought you had one of those 2 jaw chucks😁. Nice job and setup. The faceplate came in handy. All the best! Eddie
G’day Eddie, yes those 2 jaw chucks are rare 😂. Thanks buddy, I wanted to change it up a little with this video and use the faceplate, as I could’ve just bored it on the mill. Cheers 🍻
@@AaronEngineering Its pretty simple.
Did the pulley end up going on the motor with the key way lined up and the key fit?
What you've shown everyone is another way to hold a part securely and *GET THE JOB DONE.*
I did degree in aerospace and have been doing automation and control systems for 30+ years. I have watched so many people do so many stupid things while they got lost doing everything other than what was required. I love things like CAD but I hate that just like its made too many engineers lazy and ignorant. Just like MS Word has made people lazy with spelling and grammar AutoCAD has made engineers lazy.
I know there are engineers who can't tell the difference between a lathe and a mill or MIG & TIG, because they've never set foot in a shop.
@@tonywilson4713 G'day Tony. Thank you for the positive and honest feedback. I agree with you, not too long ago some university students reached out to me to machine some Formula SAE-A car parts for them. Upon visiting their university workshop I noticed they had a lathe and mill, but were banned from using it. At another campus they had HAAS CNC one with a 5 axis trunnion on it, but were not allowed to use those machines either. Makes a mockery out of our education system doesn't it. My high school kids can use more machinery than these bachelor / master degree students can. God help us, how will we ever have the manpower or know how to build new submarines? Cheers, Aaron.
@@AaronEngineering I started in mech eng at RMIT in 83. We could not start the 2nd year unless we passed the 3-week workshop class at the end of the 1st year. We spent a couple of days in the welding shop before we moved to the machine shop and made a small bench vise from castings. In 84 I went to America and did aerospace and the American degree qualified people are even worse. Some of my recent experiences in the mining game have been horrifying at how ignorant so many engineers are.
I surprise tradies when they howl about engineers because I agree with them. They're like "Wa, wo, uh - you agree????" Yeah because I spend a lot of time cleaning up the disasters they create. Boeing Max-8 was a good example of incredibly well educated people being ignorant of reality.
And there is a huge crunch coming and its not an Australian problem - its everywhere.
You know that Apple TV series Foundation that's just come out? I read those books while in college. One of the main reasons the character Hari Seldon claimed the Galactic Empire was doomed was because they were not keeping up with education and skills across the empire. In the books there's a story that a couple of 100 years after the collapse they start venturing out from the Foundation to see what's there and who they can help. Most planets are dystopian nightmares but they find one still functioning. It has operating power stations and other infrastructure but they find a problem. The power stations are failing. When the ask the chief engineer why he doesn't know. When they press him they find that he has NO EDUCATION, the title ?chief engineer" is a hereditary title he got from his father.
We are now at a point in history where our corporations are not being run by the best people they are being run by people who have inherited the title of CEO as we see with the Murdoch, Trump and other families. We are also seeing a huge downgrade in the value of the skills that modern societies NEED TO KEEP FUNCTIONING.
Gday Aaron, great stuff mate 👍
Thanks Ralfy I appreciate it mate 🍻
Really like the clamps you used to secure the pully to the face plate...did you buy them or make them?
G’day Craig. Those clamps were made by Rob Townsend from tir_services over in Canada. He donated them to my shop back in February 2020. They are amazing and have got me out of the poo twice now. This is Rob on Instagram instagram.com/tir_services?
Good stuff. Is black bar what we call 1018 mild steel?
G'day Tom. I am unsure of the actual grade mate. However, it's just common hot rolled mild steel. TBH, I hate the stuff. Bloody mill scale makes a mess and goes everywhere. Cheers, Aaron.
That shitty black bar makes for some excellent material for a persuasion bar next to me when driving through the hoods of Los Angeles picking up material. Plus it's good stuff for nudging over a machine a bit as needed.
hahahahaha, you're killing me. Love it, nothing like a "attitude adjuster" in your car or back pocket when needed. I'd be too scared of pulling it out in the states as you'd get shot wouldn't you? Damn it, I want a handgun now. Bloody Australia and their anti-gun disarm the population laws 🤣
Noice. If was enlarging a hole AND cutting a new keyway without a broach - I normally indicate the bore on the mill, drill a hole about the size of the keyway and then file it after enlarging the bore using a boring head or on the lathe. Securing these pulleys on the mill is easier with vee blocks.
Thanks mate. Yes many different ways to get the job done. I only did it this way to show some fave plate action. But agreed, would have been easier on the mill. Cheers 🍻
@@AaronEngineering face plates scare me :)
@@HM-Projects 😆 me too. I had some pucker factor machining this. 👍🍻
Well done mate!
G’day Jeff, how’s things? Hope you’re doing well mate. Thanks for watching, it was nice to change it up with this video and use the faceplate on the old girl. Cheers 🍻. Aaron
I haven’t used my face plate yet. I did use my steady the other day to clean up the vintage Cincinnati drill press tube.
Hope you and yours are well!
G’day Jeff. We are well thanks for asking. It’s good to hear that you’ve been out in your shop. I haven’t used my steady rests yet. Need to find a project now so I can 😂
Nice setup!
Thanks John. I love my little shop. Be lost without it mate. Cheers 🍻
@@AaronEngineering yes I often wonder how normal people survive without a fully equipped machine shop.
Especially during theses times John 🍻
The black is cheap although most of my turning over the years has been mystery metal, great vid
G'day Glenn. Yes I hate machining the black bar. It really is dirty stuff to machine. I've been spoiled, as we've been using bright mild and free machine grade at school with the kids for past 10 years. Thanks for watching Glenn. Have a good day mate. Cheers, Aaron.
I'm surprised it was faster to use a bandsaw to part off, especially as you have a beast of a lathe. I see this a lot on RUclips, and don't quite understand it.
Surely a carbide parting tool would rip through that in less time than it takes to walk over to the bandsaw, much less all the juggling of workholding and firing up another tool?
Ah well. Great video as always though.
G’day Edd. I probably should have explained myself better. The old Colchester easily parts off via power feed, & eats it like butter. The reason I did it this way was so I could set my cross slide dial wheel (I.e. hit the size once and set). I machined 8 x 90mm pieces and then parted / faced them to size. Here is the footage I forgot to add in my video mate. Cheers 🍻, Aaron.
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@@AaronEngineering ah makes sense! Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@eddtube You’re very welcome Edd. I always take the time to reply to my viewers. Thanks for watching and supporting me mate 👍🍻
Whew that was work out! Your going to have mount a steering wheel on top of the carriage wheel to get some leverage....or power feed your compound.
Yes mate, I was huffing and puffing making this. I need a crab or lobster roll 🥯 to get my energy back 😂
@@AaronEngineering I know just the spot with lobster rolls so big you need a forklift to pick them up!
@@CapeCodCNC now you have my undivided attention 🤤
Gray my Brother from another(country). Been missing you mate!
I typed Gday but came out as Gray.lol
G'day Rick. It's good to hear from you mate. Trust you are well over there? Yes I had a little break from RUclips for 2 weeks. I was inundated with school work (marking & corrections) and it was all getting on top of me. We are still in lockdown over here and my students are so far behind now in the workshop. It's stressing me out on how I'm going to get them over the line. Cheers, Aaron.
Rick, funny enough I didn't pick up the typo and actually read it as G'day. See how our eyes play tricks on us. Well that's what my wife says, as she never had her glasses on when she married me. Now she just places a paper bag over my head LOL
Good replies on all of them Aaron. That wife reply killed me. Yeah, I don't know what I would do if I had to give up my arms. I keep them locked up and since Covid, I haven't been able to get out to the range or my back hills for shooting. As for the persuasion bars, I keep a couple in the truck as you never know when you will need some help. Have a great week my friend....
Nice vids
Thanks buddy 👍🍻
Thanks Aaron - great job. Glad it wasn't me trying to sort out all of the issues!!